‘Romantically Active’ Ex-Wife Placed in Embarrassing Pose After Murder | Chanin Starbuck Analysis
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$4700 a month?! That’s crazy!
I’ve seen cases of men with high-paying jobs in the boom days of Silicon Valley being required to make high child-support payments - and then losing their jobs, with no change to the size of the payments.
Washington state… liberals
@@markiangooleyso it’s only means tested at the start?
@@markiangooleyum ok? Guys like that just get another high paying job
Not to mention its by definition sexist towards woman. Why can't a woman provide for her family exactly I thought they were equal to men?
I don't see how Clay can be guilty beyond a reasonable doubt when there was other DNA and they only cleared one of her lovers.
They cleared 2 of her lovers but didn't investigate any of the other 8 that month (and I'm not sure if she'd only been doing online hookups that one month or if there was multiple months worth).
His DNA was not on her phone. It was one of her lovers.
@@lindap.p.1337 and another family member's, I'm kinda surprised none of the children were considered, maybe they hated what their mother was doing to their loving father?
@@zopEnglandzip bahahaha loving father? he had broken into and stalked ex's, she had his dna under her finger nails. the women haters are real in this one. probably cause yall cant get any. far from a loving father.
Don't see how they can charge him with a crime. Except maybe for not doing it soon enough for the daughter. God only knows what happened to her with mom running that many strange men thru the house
Only owing 2 months of alimony and likely getting close to being done with that obligation seems like a weak motive.
When that's £10k and another £5k on-top _basically for forever_ despite being out of work. Wow, heavy shit.
Agreed. There is too much reasonable doubt here
Surely he had jealousy rage going back many years.
Why would he remarry her then still work in Alaska while she stayed in Washington
He had to know she was racking up the hook ups like crazy. Even with five kids in the house at that time, I am sure she didn't care if they saw her doing it. I certainly would never have had more kids with her. I Guess He thought that would settle her down? Not likely. I wonder where the two oldest boys were when this happened?
Remarriage a person a second time is always a bad move. Leopards do not change their spots.
Dude was lazy.
Simply not always true.
"Remarrying"
@@rockon8174how was he lazy and earning so much ?
His wife sounds like a cheater and lose woman, I bet she cheated on him and destroyed the marriage
Especially after she had had another man's baby. What....was....Clay....even....thinking?
She had been having affairs for years, even after the first divorce, why would he suddenly get jealous enough to kill?
It wasn't just jealousy. She divorce-raped him. It shows how divorce laws are now rabidly anti-male. If the husband cheats, the wife walks away with cash and prizes, leaving the husband a broken man. And if the wife cheats, the wife walks away with cash and prizes, leaving the husband a broken man.
Such things are not unheard of, especially when you pay that much, & owe that much
The arrears was causing him to be looking at jail time.
Probably because he realised it was the end of the relationship for real this time and he couldn't deal with the fact that she was having sex with other people. A huge blow to his ego. So many moving parts to this story. It's always a tragedy for the children involved- They lost both parents who clearly didn't prioritize them.
You finally had enough.
The judge that ordered $4700 a month should go to jail for being involved in the M.
‘M’, as in murder?
Simply changing the word never changes the meaning or act, it’s not a dirty word. It’s ok.
That was a crazy amount especially since he couldn't work
@daynasafranek7807 they were probably trying not to trigger youtube censoring.
@@daynasafranek7807censorship disagrees and will keep fighting to change words like suicide to self delete to unalive. It's so dumb
I can't even cope with my one life and emails....marriage, 10 men and 6 different email addresses 😮 her biscuits must of been burning.
Foreal! 😮
Sadly, sounds more like a sex/love addict than anything. 10 men isn’t fun, it’s a sign of compulsive behavior.
She didn’t work and the father of the kids (who supported her) helped her with childcare such as driving and picking the children up from school.
Sounds exhausting to me 😅
I can see youre thirsty, but it’s still gross that her choices as a single female are your first focus and energy spent to comment rather than commenting that an Innocent Woman was MURDERED and he left all their children orphaned.
As “shocking” as this is for hooded eyes, facts say , many men do this too and a “hole” lot more and nobody seems to be that shocked by their multiple partners nor blame them for being murdered. Why do you think that is??
Really think about your thought process here. We need to do better as a society. And it starts with you, parched or not.
She entertained more semen than Bob Hope.
"Romantically active" 😂
Loose*
Male contributing DNA😀.
She's for the streets 🎉
The town bicycle.
Ho, she was active alright.
That's a lot of DNA
Yikes is an understatement
That's why I don't think the husband did it. She was naked with a sex toy, and had stun gun marks. Too many things point to a sex act which I doubt she was sexually active with her ex husband
@@limbeboy7 I don't know, she seemed like she was sexually active with anyone that was willing.
she could have saved her ex the money and started a career in film
I don’t know. It sounds like she was having sex with man after man after man. I wonder if the ex husband just developed a jealous rage combined with disgust and acted on it.
I’ve not finished the video but I’m confused, they had custody of 2 kids each, she had 1 additional from another man, he was unemployed and he had to pay her $4700 a month? 😮 That’s crazy!
That happends all the time.
That is why you don't get married in America if you are a male.
@@patriciovarela8794really? If a male?
My ex paid zero. He also was given every leniency under the sun.
I was screwed over by him reporting me daily.
Theres no black n white argument.
@@patriciovarela8794 the thing is that he was unemployed. It’s not like he was making money (on the books) and refusing to pay.
@@gemmalocatelli5916 what you say is true. Some man are like that.
@gemmalocatelli5916 some people take that rhetoric about males not marrying too far. But there is an undeniable preference towards women in divorce settings. It is literally undeniable. Sure, there are cases where the women might not get a fair settlement but you are in a minority.
What was he reporting you for on a daily basis? That sounds wild
$60k a year in Child Support..let that sink in for a minute 🤔
Man not working due to injury…doesn’t matter..pay up!
The daughter who took her own life must have been terrified. That's heartbreaking
Yeah, it was a total mess of a situation. I felt so bad hearing about the girl taking her own life. The dad should have tried to get the mom help for the reckless sex addiction, instead he gave her an execution, it's fortunate the crazy dad did not also kill his kids.
@@geekinasuit8333 Why the he11 would he have killed his kids? They weren't ripping him off and trying to get him sent to jail.
@@geekinasuit8333
Seemed like the mom had the bigger issues than the father ever did. She collects thousands of dollars and sleeps with a myriad of random men she met online? No wonder the kids defend their father and profess his innocence…
@@geekinasuit8333 You live in an alternate reality if you think an ex helps with a sex addiction.
@@geekinasuit8333fukkin lol its not the job of the husband to fix his slùt wifes slùt behavior.
"DNA from the Starbuck family" confused me until I realised Starbuck is the surname.
i thought he meant barista people
And you thought the only thing in a dirty chai latte was chai and water.
I know the feeling ! I'm a McDonald .......unfortunately it's
the wrong McDonalds...!!
@@2msvalkyrie529 And I'm a Ronald 😂😂😂
My last name is King,
My first name is Burger but people call me Burg.
“Cut loose a little bit” that’s an understatement if ever I heard one.
She was dating though, she didn't sleep with most of them. The dad was on a real smear campaign and seems like it worked on some people.
@@missJolie85He didn't need to smear her, she smeared herself by having countless affairs during the marriage and dating/doing dozens of men after the marriage ended. Strange men coming in and out of the house, including 10 in one month alone. With young children in the home. And she was a "Christian." 🙄 Almost 5k a month in support because she wouldn't get a job. What a joke.
@@e.a.4926 Are you a family member of him, since you are answering every where? Miss bad Christian woman who is slut shaming and pasning judgment om others like a pro?
@@e.a.4926 Are you a family member of him, I see you everywhere, miss «Christian» lady who loves to shame and pass judgement?
A black light scan for dna in that place probably would have been bright enough to see from space
As many splatters as stars in the sky
She brought dozens of random men around her kids.
How do you know she brought the strangers around her children. Maybe she only did it when they were at school and or weekends when they were visiting their friends. Do we really know or is that an assumption.
I don’t think it’s wrong to have Romantic encounters when you’re not married any longer although it’s probably not so wise to have so many and to date men more wisely, especially if you have young children.
You don’t know that! Her kids weren’t toddlers. Maybe they were at school? Maybe she met them at a hotel. Who cares. Men behave FAR worse and nobody blinks an eye.
@@enjoystraveling well how’d that turn out for her?
@enjoystraveling with 10 men though. That's insane 😳 Even the doctor said "that lifestyle is not without risk" Doctor also said many men were coming to her house, listen @ 11:11 timestamp.
If I was on the jury...I would have voted not guilty. This is not evidence beyond reasonable doubt.
Obviously we can't see it all just watching this video, but based on what's said here, I agree with you. It's not a jury's job to make someone pay during deliberations, only to determine if the case is proven beyond a reasonable doubt. I think way too many juries want to make someone pay on their watch. She deserves justice for sure but convicting someone who may be innocent is not the answer.
I agree.
Absolutely agree.
You realize the trial went on for several weeks right? The jurors hurt a whole hell of a lot that isn't covered here. Did you see any parts of the trial or the closing statements? These reasonable doubts that you think are there I wonder why the defense attorneys didn't make them? Do you think that's incompetence and the defense attorneys were engaged in malpractice or what? I don't know if you've ever been on a jury but what goes on in jury deliberations is markedly different from what gets reported publicly. The system is not perfect but it's a hell of a lot more bias to let guilty people go free then guilty people to get convicted although all these true crime podcasts and TV shows makes everybody think that things work much different than they really do
@@PicaPauDiablo1 A lot of people think "beyond a reasonable doubt" means zero doubt at all, like, smoking gun and video of the act.
Prosecutor: whose DNA was found in Shannon’s body?
Forensics: Yes!
Forensics: ask around at Starbucks.
lol
also forensics: "Everybody's"
Love how people disguise cheating as “polyamory”
Medical research.
But that is what it is.
Monogamy is a male construct that never had place in human relationships, expecting monogamy is toxic patriarchy because it reinforces male ownership of the female body. Her body her choice.
@@jamegumb7298 Just say whatever they want you to say.
The idea that monogamy was invented by men for men is absurd on its face.
@@kylez8010 Women have a right and reason to cheat.
Men never do.
Cheating? They were formally divorced.
Saying she “cut loose a little “ is like saying P.Ditty is “kind of” suspect. 😎✌🏻
I just watched a long documentary about this case, and she didn't sleep with all these men. She dated a normal amount of people, most of them meeting them for a coffee, dinner. With a few of them she went further. Her ex (the murderer) went on a real smear campaign against her, and he was really jealous - which is why she ended up dead. Sad to see the label he put out there destroyed her reputation like this, especially since she is no longer here to defend herself.
The FBI raided P . Dittys house to cover up for the rich and famous and destroy evidence < main stream media dropped that story like a hot cake .
@@missJolie85oh yeah she was smeared in something alright.
@@futurefunk88eddins96 And what do you want me to do about that? Are you hurt, are you ok?
So sad. The kids lost the parent lottery didn’t they?
She was a bad mom? Where do you get evidence of that
@@southrules Was she the perfect moral example by teaching her kids to live a risky life and exposing them to all kinds of strangers? So many ways her reckless behavior can be damaging. .
@@kaym.2854not if it was in private( not around the kids)
@@TaylorElizabethHunt please. if it was evident to everyone else, you think the kids who lived there would'nt have known?
@@kaym.2854 yeah kids don’t know that their parents have sex, also isn’t it just terrible that people like to have sex, she is so evil! How dare her enjoy sex
She destroyed Clay with the aid of the state and he reciprocated. Reform needs to happen for the sake of both sexes.
He had a lot of unpaid child support and the judge got sick of that and ordered 50% of his disability (he was on disability later on) because he was tired of that. Read up on this case, there is a lot more to the story. He was really after her, he even had a restraining order at one point, and all the things about her sleeping with everybody came from him. She did date and she did have sex, but not in the insane amount people seems to think here. He was very jealous and controlling.
@@missJolie85 It would be a lot of unpaid child support if the monthly amount ordered by the judge was REASONABLE, but in this case, it was only 2 months' worth, so not "a lot."
@@jkneeland89 Does this even sound logical to you. it would take longer than 2 months to have this case up in court again, so obviously it's more than 2 months.
@@missJolie85 just the fact that he got her to leave Florida for Alaska is proof enough that he is controlling and manipulative!
@@missJolie85 Do the math, he owes $4700 a month, it’s a approximately 2 months worth.
4700 a month is ridiculous Unless he was earning upwards of $300 grand a year it’s way too much. I don’t believe in maintenance or alimony. Just reasonable child support. And all that DNA on her is just disgusting 🤮 . If people honored their wedding vows they’d be a lot better off and so would their kids.
If he was earning $300,000/year, that would only be 18 point something, of his income.
He shouldn't have to pay her a cent. she was a serial cheater. she destroyed his life. why should she be rewarded for it?
Should their kids be responsible for that? He gets to dead beat out cos his wife was running around getting stretched on the daily? That's not the kids fault.@@shanebisme
@@custardgannet4836 She shouldn't have had custody of the kids.
@@custardgannet4836then take care of your kids. easily could have got custody the woman was clearly unstable. You have custody of the kids you can actually support THEM not the wh-re .
The wife was an aspiring dental assistant? I would not want those hands anywhere near my mouth with or without gloves.
pretty rude comment
@@stanallport6746pretty funny comment *
@@stanallport6746Rude? Hugh.
Anyone who’s “aspiring” to be a dental assistant
Doesn’t have much aspirations
everyone has sex, just cause your probably have none, doesnt mean she couldnt do whatever she wanted in this life. grow up.
0:31 I didn't know Eddie Munster was a member of the Starbuck family.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
😂😂😂😂
I was thinking the same thing!
😂😂😂
Seriously, is that his natural hairline or some weird comb-over?
So she calls 911 and nobody goes to the house?
Welcome to Blue states.
@@DeviantDespotPolice departments in red *and* blue states have cut back on sending officers to every single 911 call.
And the killer seemed to not know or care and took his time. Imaginekilling someone and just chilling out taking your time unafraid of the cops or someone showing up.
The 911 operator was probably one of her boyfriends. He didn't want to take a personal call
@@PicaPauDiablo1 Seems like it's the worst kind of killers that do that. Sometimes they help themselves to what's in the fridge or take a shower. Not sure what it shows about their mental state, but it certainly does show a contempt for the victim.
Why in the hell was she getting $ 4700 month !!??
Wait. They divorced while she delivered another man’s baby? Then reconciled 4 months after? And he took her back with another man’s baby? 🤮.
Bruh…. 🤦🏻♂️ what a dope.
He probably even asked for her back, wouldn’t be surprised
My wife has a friend who married and separated and had a baby with another man and he still took her back and agreed to r a i s e the kid. They still divorced anyways. Real world cuckolds
Everyone makes at least one stupid mistake with women. Dude married his mistake, but he was likely thinking about his kids. He was a good father that hoped she'd slow down, but a ho like that never will.
She must have been...er, very talented. Or something like that..
My Grandparents split and divorced at one point. Not long later they remarried and stayed that way until their death. They often fought. My Dad wouldn't put them in the same nursing home because my granddad needed a higher level of care, and he didn't want calls from the nursing home that they were yelling at each other.
I didn't find out until a few years ago that they had slept in different rooms.
On my mom's side, I don't really know the whole story but my Aunt slept in an upstairs bedroom and spent most of her time in the living room, kitchen, when she wasn't at work. Her husband had a few rooms in the basement and except for meals, spent most of his time in the basement.
Dr. G and I have very different interpretations of the word 'romantic'
☺️ This is Dr. G’s way of keeping things clean/gently sarcastic.
He doesn't want TH-cam to strike the video😂
Thanks, Dr. Grande and FYI Adam Montgomery was sentenced today to a minimum of 45 years plus other consecutive sentences in N H.
Sounds like a classic case of fuck around and find out
wtf is wrong with her 3 little kids and acted like that ??
I just watched a long documentary about this case, and she didn't sleep with all these men. She dated a normal amount of people, most of them meeting them for a coffee, dinner. With a few of them she went further. Her ex (the murderer) went on a real smear campaign against her, and he was really jealous - which is why she ended up dead. Sad to see the label he put out there destroyed her reputation like this, especially since she is no longer here to defend herself.
It's called 'nymphomania'. 'Satyriasis' for men.
One year we were having the family Christmas party at my mom's. I was in the bedroom with an overstimulated baby trying to calm her down. My mom let my son play with the phone (landline) because it was keeping him busy. It had large buttons on it. Well he inadvertently called 911. The 911 operator called back to see what was the problem. My mom explained that it was my son, but the police did indeed come out to my moms to make sure everything was ok. Why did no one show up at Chanin's?? Could her murder have been prevented if they had?
Imagine being unable to speak, and you managed to dial 911 in secret while being held captive, but no one bothers to show up at your home, and you end up being murdered. It appears that no investigation was done after the 911 call was received, and even a simple welfare check was bungled. I can only speculate as to how high the level of policing incompetence may be in this situation like this. Here's what I think, the incompetence was very high. As to Clay's innocence, I think he's guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, but a much more professional and conclusive investigation should have been performed.
This is a huge problem with police. They ignore or don’t follow up quickly on things like this. They’re working on other things like pulling over mostly law abiding citizens at random and doing fishing expeditions to invent charges. That means they’re safe, flexing their power, and working on “their terms”. That’s what police enjoy doing with their time
Wow excellently worded. Thanks for sharing.
I always wonder about situations like this and if the victim knew how to tap out an SOS, would an emergency operator would even recognize it? -- edit: It would almost always be possible to tap the receiver _(3 quick, 3 slow, 3 quick)_ more quietly than it would to actually dial 911 ...I also wonder if repeating the SOS would be more or less likely to confuse the operator.
The 4th amendment and “castle doctrine” are very high bars to hurdle. Generally speaking, with 911 hang ups, in the absence of any further info suggestive of exigency, police can’t enter.
Cell phones don’t give an address. And in a lot of cases, no owner identity.
This Clay guy is ROCKIN that Eddie Munster hairdo lol....
This is why you NEVER EVER EVER reconcile with a CHEATER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I love the term “energetic romantic life.” I’ll be using that from now on 😂
And “vigorous romantic activity.” 🤣
Revolving romantic interests 😂
Only speculating that you will no doubt make this enjoyable Dr. Grande 😅
It's not enjoyable
As a person involved in the law for 50 years, You have a presented a great analysis and posed the crucial question; was there reasonable doubt. I agree there was.
I didn't know dead people could be embarrassed.
Their ghosts are, and they come back to haunt you for embarrassing them.
"I wouldn't be caught dead doing ..."
Don’t forget she has children and friends. Why make up stuff like this about her. No one knows if she was having sex with men she dated. That’s insane. I’ve dated a lot of men and it never went far enough for that to happen. A ex of mine even told my father I was running around with a bunch of men having sex with them. (I couldn’t believe it when my Dad told me this) Men can get so jealous they will resort to murdering a woman or defaming her. Happens all the time & people believe it.
$4700 a month is insane.
"Religious values"? What religion did she belong to? The Church of the Sexually Free? I agree with your assessment Dr. Grande. I believe Starbuck is the likely suspect, but with Chanin's sexual promiscuity it's not a clear cut case.
The religious (generally) are the most hypocritical “laws for thee but not for me” bunch of faux self-righteous narcissists on the planet.
Sounds like the church of modern day feminism - have all the fun you want without taking any responsibility for your own actions.
Dibella worshipper
@@tuntitommosilleCorrect! I agree. That pretty much sums it up nicely.
I just watched a long documentary about this case, and she didn't sleep with all these men. She dated a normal amount of people, most of them meeting them for a coffee, dinner. With a few of them she went further. Her ex (the murderer) went on a real smear campaign against her, and he was really jealous - which is why she ended up dead. Sad to see the label he put out there destroyed her reputation like this, especially since she is no longer here to defend herself.
Thanks for all the wonderful videos todd, I love watching all your videos!
Thanks for all the great entertainment Dr. Grande!
Jealousy is so toxic. Why can’t people accept when something is over
$4,700 a month 😂
Because there are a lot of other factors involved. It's not that easy. Get over yourself.
@@DS-ss7vl get over myself for not agreeing with murder. Ok
@@BidensTaint💯
That's not why he murdered her she was taking financial advantage of the guy.
I really thought this was going to be about Starbucks coffee!!! 😂
lol me too
Me too 😂😂😂
At some point I thought the DNA of all male employees of the local Starbucks had been found on her.
😹🤣🤣
I thought "Battlestar Galactica". 🧐
The DNA under the nails sealed it for me.
He only talked about DNA on the neck and phone in particular, nothing about nails.
@MimiRAM0NE , he said and under her finger nails, listen to this part of of the video "9:58 to 10:01"
what sealed it for me was the use of a nickname of one of the children on the text message.
He had a right to be angry at Shanon but she didn’t deserve to die. The revenge was not worth throwing his life away and traumatizing his poor children. One of them actually took her own life. So tragic
Such a sad story….🌵
So true 😢
Well generally but it varies. The guy's life probably wasn't going to great at that point anyway, so he figured "what the hell"
Why did he “have a right to be mad at her”? She doesn’t dictate how much money he pays, that stuff is decided by a judge based on his income level and amount of children under 18… He had no reason whatsoever to be mad her her, she did nothing to him except move onto sexual adventures ethically. Not even cheating on him, but doing it in divorce… how are you able to view this woman as a wrongful person at all, in the slightest?
@@Cometcast12 This is demonstrably false. I encourage everyone to read the court documents before rushing to the comment section with sensational misinformation...
Dr. Grande’s verdict is more important than the jury’s verdict, in my opinion.
I've followed this case for years and have always been torn about his guilt
I haven't heard about this case before now, and because of this analyses by Dr Grande I just watched a lengthy documentary about this case found here on YT. The dude was horrible, and there was a lot of evidence that pointed at him.
@@missJolie85 a lot pointed away too
@@missJolie85 this case was on dateline too a few years back
@@Kolamite78 Well I don’t really consider it that way
She obviously lived a promiscuous and as such, risky, lifestyle, but that can never excuse murdering someone.
Thanks for that deep moral treatise !
How would the ex husband know she is having sex with a lot of men…. She told him ? I’m not sure how the mother thought having all these men in her life was safe for her children either … this is very tragic . Thank you for the story Dr. Grande ❤
She was gross and a terrible mother but imagine how empowered she must have felt getting used like a fleshlight by 10 guys a week. Boss girl stuff.
Just being a mother doesn't automatically make them a good one,known rotten ones on both sides.
I looked into it, more than I should have, and it's not clear that the woman was having sex with many men, that's a claim made by Clay's defence. It looked to me, she was trying to find another partner, and to do that , she was dating several men to find the right one. Some of her dates said that they never had sex with her, it was just a date. The sex toys appear to have been planted by whoever tortured and murdered Chanin, they were used to humiliate the victem. Some time prior to the murder, a bag of dildos was left at Chanin's door, no proof who did it, but Chanin knew it was Clay (she should have invested in a secrity camera system). Apparently she feared Clay and told people close to her that she suspected he was breaking into her home and stealing things. Clay says that everyone who testified that he was feared by Chanin and stalking her are liars. There's two sides to a story, and Dr Grande left out a lot of damning details. Go to Clay's innoncence FB page, it's as if Chanin never even existed, it's 100% all about Clay. If my wife was brutally killed, even if I devorced and wrongfully convincted, my remaining years would be dedicated with finding the real killer. This man Clay, looks to me as a controlling manipulative narcisist, but that's just a theory ...
@@geekinasuit8333 Hard to find the real killer when you're wrongfully imprisoned. Your "evidence" that you posted is nothing but hearsay.
I mean... All that male DNA the investigators found on her kind of confirms that
Im always curious about what the police find during the course of the investigation
Here's what they found
Assuming they look at all
whatever they want to find...
This seems like something that was extremely circumstantial. No TOD mentioned, no legwork done into the partners of the past couple months. I wonder if they tested the son’s DNA compared to the DNA found?? It’s possible the sons could be just as upset with their mom’s promiscuous actions.
There's so many things wrong with this case. The ex certainly could have done it, but, it just as easily can be explained as another one of her 10 (known) partners realizing he wasn't the only one, or even just killing her for fun and staging it to point to the ex. I don't know enough of the details to judge - and neither did the court nor jury.
I wondered about the son too. And here's another alternate theory of the crime - she wasn't 'posed', that was just the position she was in when one of her 10 boyfriends jabbed her with the stun gun for fun and she died laughing (or not). The whole case against the ex-husband is circumstantial as all get out.
Her daughters [suicide] sounds sketchy to me.
Loghan Starbuck’s whereabouts had not been known since Dec. 17 until someone noticed a body in the water Feb. 10 near the Sans Souci mobile home park in Spokane.
The office said on its website that Starbuck, a 25-year-old of Cheney, died from “asphyxia due to drowning” and that it was a suicide.
Suicide by... Drowning in a lake? I call bullshit.
@@atlasveldine6314 IKR.
Wow
@@atlasveldine6314 It's not the most common form of suicide, but people do drown themselves.
To be honest this is why I haven’t married yet.
Or…. Women don’t want you.
@@Straightjacket154 Wow, that was an incredibly rude and unprovoked reaction to my comment. What’s wrong in your life that you feel that to belittle others in such a way? I would imagine you have low self-esteem or some other underlying issues.
I know you said the Boeing whistleblower death was not suspicious... but another whistleblower just died. Might be worth an update video.
Shannon was also a 'whistle' blower.
@@olliverklozov2789Really?! What was she blowing the whistle on?
@@sheilad.simonette6412 A "whistle" that spits out sticky white liquid lol
@@KhukuriGod Oic lol. I guess it went over my "head". 😅
She was true musician. Playing different kinds of fluits.
How tragic also that one of his daughters had died.
It never ceases to amaze me how Dr. Grande can describe these situations in a perfect way. His intelligence is on show in the one.
Thanks for the video ❤
I can't imagine how her children felt and feel, having to hear of their mother's "behavior". How awful and scarring that must be. Also, the father had so many other ways to deal with this situation. He could have petitioned the court for a freeze on the child support if he was legit ill/injured/out of work. That would have kept the amount from climbing to an insane amount. He also could have gotten an attorney to challenge the massive amount. Thirdly, he could have easily had the mother declared unfit and he would most likely would have been awarded sole custody, if ha had wanted the kids. This is so tragic.
Oh yeah...family court is all about helping out the father, especially in matters of child support and custody.
She's not yours, it's just your turn buddy
Thanks Dr. Grande, love your insights!
Always interesting
Thank you❤
........consistent, with it's primary purpose! You crack me up. This is brilliant.
She must have exceptional time management and manipulation tactics.
I just watched a long documentary about this case, and she didn't sleep with all these men. She dated a normal amount of people, most of them meeting them for a coffee, dinner. With a few of them she went further. Her ex (the murderer) went on a real smear campaign against her, and he was really jealous - which is why she ended up dead. Sad to see the label he put out there destroyed her reputation like this, especially since she is no longer here to defend herself.
@@missJolie85 can you provide the link to the doc?? my take away from this is it was the bills he had to pay while she was out on the town collecting dna. Money makes people do crazy things.
Once again: Restraining order = death warrant.
Never seen “Starbuck” as a last name
Creative in an uncreative way
Never seen "Chanin" as a first name.
Only fictional characters such as the one in the novel Moby-Dick, in my case…
Robbie Starbuck, politician from Tennessee
You guys want anything from Starbuck?
I appreciate your attention to detail, the number of cases you could analyze are mind-boggling!
This one bothered me only because she had minor children.
Thank you! 🌵
I wonder if her frequent visitors were also customers.
Thanks for another entertaining and informative video
I'm not convinced he did it. Too many unanswered questions about the DNA
I give it 50/50. If the gender was reversed she would have walked.
I don't think the husband did it. She was engaged in very risky behavior.
A jealous husband is 100 times more likely to be dangerous than guys that probably want to see her again. I'm not saying that I believe without a doubt he's guilty but the probability is extremely high.
How does a man on disability pay close to 5k a month for "maintenance" and child support? I looked up "court ordered maintenance", and it is just a substitute word for alimony. Its definition is to allow the spouse to maintain her existing lifestyle. In other words, Clay was forced to pay his wife so she can have sex with other men. To rub salt in his wound, Clay was forbidden to see two of his biological children. I wonder if the courts secretly monitor these types of situations to see how long before violence is initiated?
The courts would answer to that point: not our mandate over oversee lifestyles or possibles. We can't tell the future.
Dr. Grande pumpin out videos faster than I can watch them.
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Faster than Shannon’s many partners!
Dr Grande, we love your videos, but I’d also like to get to know YOU more ✨ would you ever do a Q&A or an assumptions about me video? Love your work!
Interesting case and good summary.
Amazing job!!❤
I watch your show everyday. I think that your ability to assess situations and cases like this is remarkably profound. What terrifies me is that the vast majority of people cannot think as critically as you do about these things. I have a friend right now that's going to trial and I'm not confident the jurors aren't absolute mouth breathers who are byproducts of a totally gutted education system and have limited higher order thinking skills... I don't know how you got so good at this but I wish more people had your level of insight...
Absolutely. Dr. Grande obviously has a high IQ. Imagine how different the world would look if everyone was at least 10% smarter.
I am getting flashbacks to watching Battlestar Gallactica as a kid.
was confused at first b/c I was thinking of the older version.
then I got it....not that version.
yeah, they both sure were stars for their bucks. haha
Bears, beets, Battlestar galactic a
My heart hurts for her. The police should have knocked down her door when she called 911. I wonder if the dispatcher was fired.
Thats a lot to pay each month.
Love your channel
Omg. She was not a nice lady. I can’t imagine a mother of young girls screwing around with random guys. Very nasty behavior, but did not deserve to be murdered. I feel very sorry for those children.
I just watched a long documentary about this case, and she didn't sleep with all these men. She dated a normal amount of people, most of them meeting them for a coffee, dinner. With a few of them she went further. Her ex (the murderer) went on a real smear campaign against her, and he was really jealous - which is why she ended up dead. Sad to see the label he put out there destroyed her reputation like this, especially since she is no longer here to defend herself.
@@missJolie85 thank you. This video, and the men in these comments are just awful.
The fact that the Dad killed her and posed her the way he did? He’s added to his own childrens’ misery and one’s suicide, surely.
@@missJolie85where did the DNA from multiple men come from then?
@@protoman1214 Where did you hear multiple men? From the actual court doc, it was two, and one had familiar DNA with her children, so you can guess who that was. DNA testing of swabs taken from the victim's neck, face, and fingernails revealed that the male Starbuck lineage matched the Y-STR DNA found in those areas. One additional-and unidentified-male contributed Y-STR DNA to Ms. Starbuck's neck.
I guess if you want to count her murderer as one, then she did have multiple DNA
She dated to men a the time, one whom she did have a sexual relationship with John Kenlein, and Tom Walker, a man she had met three weeks earlier, whom she hadn't slept with (only went on dates) and he testified to that.
Well ladies, think about taking everything from a man very seriously. You might not like the outcome. I’m not making excuses for this guys actions. But people with nothing to lose may take drastic action.
Thank you, Dr. Grande!
Thanks for posting.
whoops! she fucked around and found out
Literally!
Excellent analysis
Thank you again Dr. Grande 🙏
Thank you king for going off
$4700 a month living north of Spokane ... was the Judge one of the guys "visiting" shannon?
If the judge hadn’t awarded her 4700 a month she would probably still be alive.
A lifestyle like that will eventually catch up to you in one way or another
That’s terrible their daughter killed herself over this shit most likely.
Every adult should be able to support themself and any children financially.
we speculating first babyyyyy
$4700 can buy many “toys” 😅
Dr. Grande- I always wince a little before I click on a new post from you. Like "*Buyer Beware*". 😬
Listen, guys. NEVER GET MARRIED! Marriage is totally unnecessary and is designed to only benefit the woman. Don't do it. Have relationships, but never bind yourself to someone for life with a government contract.
Yeah, and always wear a condom.
Amen friend.
Add to that kids and cohabitation. Any one of these brings big Daddy government into your life whether you asked for it or not.
Getting officially married is mostly symbolic today. The courts tend to look at shared legal and financial responsibilities when a separation occurs. There was an interesting court case a while ago, even though the two partners lived apart in separate homes, they shared enough responsibilities over a period of time to be deemed in a common law relationship. If you have a child, married or not, common law or not, you will still be legally responsible for child support.
@@geekinasuit8333as it should be.