Apple and many other companies figured out a long time ago that allowing their customers to easily distinguish between new and old products is a bad idea because then they can't trick people into emptying their old stock.
Depends on the product. For the ones they want you to upgrade every year and for the "New generations" they want to make it as diffrent as posibile so there is that brag factor.
@@mihaidragnea9785 Apple doesn't use this philosophy for most of their products. Look at the Apple online shop. Apple sells like 3 generations of products at a time, why would they want to convince you that the old one is bad?
Tim Cook is one of the best manufacturing managers in the business. That’s why Apple has the lowest time-to-customer in the industry. Since Apple doesn't have much stock, the lockdown in China caused Apple’s recent lead time to increase dramatically. So I don't think they are selling the old model just for stock clearance. (Sorry for my poor English lol)
Actually, I think they does, why do you think they always launch newer iPhones with similar design but new colors? You could argue because it give people more choices, but I personally thinks it just so people could distinguish the old ones and new ones.
@@CYKuo-yl9lg I tend to agree. That said, I think the reason for the M2 MBP is not stock clearance, but manufacturing inertia. Apple has a lot of manufacturers who can make the current MBP chassis and parts Apple was able to get this device to customers much faster than the all-new M2 MBA, and are also likely selling the M2 chip at an increased profit margin with the MBP versus the M2 MBA. The current low-end MBP will likely be discontinued once initial costs of changing the MBA design have been paid off and supply lines free up a bit. The M1 MBA will also likely stick around for about the same time. That said, this is informed guessing at best, and Apple has surprised me before
I mean, real reason: M2 13" has a fan and longer battery life. I have the M1 Pro 13", but these are my thoughts: 1) I can take it on the road and don't have to charge it as soon as I would any other laptop (apart from the M2 13"). 2) I can play games on my lap, using a custom, but quiet, fan setting, and it never gets warm to the touch. 3) The only function keys I ever use are brightness and sound, both of which work great on the touchbar. 4) You can make use of the extra GPU power on the M1 and M2 Pro 13", whereas you cannot on the Air. I also have an M1 Max 16", which I somewhat regret purchasing. Excellent machine, but I tend to use my MSI GE67HX for similar workloads. I honestly think every mainstream reviewer missed the mark on the M2 Pro 13. I find it almost flawless. I even like the rounded shape when its on my lap, and the black bezels when consuming media.
My guess is they had a bunch of lower binned M2 chips. Run hotter and need that old chassis active cooling to get full M2 performance. Saving up the top tier chips for the new M2 Air
@@Sonu666 that isn't a response to this comment... It is plausible that they are using M2 chips that require extra cooling to hit the required performance and are therefore unsuitable for the M2 air and so are being put in a "new" MacBook Pro with active cooling
I think they avoid yearly naming to give their products some sort of "mystical, timeless" air, even though it really just confuses more technically inclined users. That said, at least it keeps their resale value high for when you want to get the newest version, I suppose
Honestly sad that people are basically more entice to resell their Apple devices than to keep using them since a new model comes out every year. “Made to last” before it is sold again💀.
The 13 inch MacBook Pro (M2) seems to just be a way for Apple to get rid of excess 13 inch chassis… because I doubt “real” professionals still want a touch bar and a smaller, lower refresh rate screen than the 14 inch MacBook Pro.
I mean, I find the touchbar pretty comfy Yes, it's not the end of the world if it's missing, but for me it's a nice thing to have. This combined with USB-C charging makes it still a good option in my eyes. Also yes, I would've totally enjoyed a new design or a better screen if it kept at least the USB-C charging
That is all just nonsense dude. This is simply NOT how this world works anymore. Factories don't have like hundreds of thousands of components lying around that then get used in a future product to get rid of them. That is not how it works!
I thought the same but it seems like they have kept them around for too long to be just over stock. The 13 inch MacBook Pro is like the second most popular model. So I don’t really know what apple is doing…
Maybe it’s because a decent amount of people still want the Touch Bar so they just keep this thing around. I know most people at my job preferred the Touch Bar. Crazy I know.
I don’t know. If they wanted to get rid of the old design, wouldn’t it make more sense to put it in the cheapest possible product? Like they did with the regular iPad or iPhone SE. Discontinue M1 MacBook Air, discount M1 pro 13 to $999
@@officialANON001 I think it's cause it looks cooler, and not actually more functional tbh. If all I did on my computer was browse the web and watch movies it would be good but then i would probably just get the air.
I still don’t get why Apple bothers with the lower speed SSDs for their products. Just charge more for the base model. It’s not like they’re strangers to expensive electronics. Also, nice pride watch band, Anthony.
@@tim3172 I don't think that's necessarily true. max tech -- hardly an apple hater -- made some pretty persuasive videos explaining why this is pretty detrimental to even pretty typical use cases. Especially compared to the m1 which was less expensive.
A lot of ways to think about this, I see the reason that people still prefer M2 pro is because of the fans and touch bar, even you dont recognize M1 or M2 from the chassis, but you can definitely tell it is a 13 pro. People also purchasing 13pro because it is special, classic chassis, and they honestly dont care about 720p webcam, however the screen revolution is already awesome and very stable performance in a long run, most of people wouldnt even use macbooks as a speaker anyway, but its sound quality is fantastic, where 14 pro is even better, but Im pretty sure that nobody choose 13pro mainly considering the sound quality. For M1 13pro users, definitely not worth for the upgrade to M2 13pro, but for first Macbook users like me, Id for sure go with the M2 13pro for its uniqueness, and the classic thick chassis with fans is the way to go for long term usage, and I believe that was the main reason Apple had courage to use the same M1 13pro chassis for the M2.
Just bought the m2 13pro and its my first ever macbook! So the chassis isnt really "dated" for me as I haven't even experienced it before at all. I can see why everyone on youtube is recommending the m2 air over it for people who are already apple fans, or who want an update. But there are people like you and me who are the outliers who can buy this and still be satisfied.
You guys really need to do a "meet the crew" series where all the members of LTT get interviewed so we can learn about them and they're history....like their past work experience and education. Anthony would make a fascinating start.
Maybe a video about where they live. Kinda like MTV cribs. They should show us what street they live on, what days they're not home, that sort of thing.
I used to work in a staples back in high school and apple has for a long time made it incredibly difficult for anyone to distinguish which model is which. This is particularly annoying if you're a store that carries multiple models. We had a few people come back to the store and return iPad models specifically for this reason lol---one of our team members handed them over the wrong year's iPad without knowing the difference. EDIT: I know that they've always included model numbers on the back of the packaging, but finding which model is which is surprisingly difficult. It's also not always in a standardized location, so it's very confusing. Really they should just work more on their packaging lol. It got so bad to the point that our electronics manager had to spend an afternoon developing an organization system for our backroom stock of them, and basically personally took over making sure they were in the right places so people would avoid handing out the wrong models.
It literally says model number at 0:43 seconds the labels on the left, Model number is it between the barcodes on the right half of The label. Immediately right of the text saying MacBook Pro 13 inch. You could zoom in if you like. Unfortunately this presenter is always an Apple hater and always exaggerating….. Even if some of it may be well-deserved for Apple’s BS it’s just annoying.
@@ultraret you mean the one that says A2338 ? That refers to both the M1 and the M1 models. The "order number" and serial are the only unique identifiers, and the "order" is not listed on-device.
I do love the Touch Bar.. Some apps have convenient widgets. However, the best part is customizing the bar with better touch tools. I use it daily and absolutely love it on my pro m1 2020 :)
If they had called it the "MacBook SE" it would have -Fully legitimised the decision to use old hardware -Allowed them to keep it in the lineup for a quadrillion years if needed, without looking tacky -Made sense relative to the iPhone naming scheme -Cleverly and side-winkishly made reference to the Macintosh II/Macintosh SE market positioning. Almost too cleverly assuming the below dot point. -Been expected to sell for at LEAST 30% less... Hell, potentially making the Air look like the bad value option in comparison. Either way, I reckon if you cancelled the above idea partway through execution due to fears over revenues, it's probably fair to say this is more or less the exact product you'd get out of it.
They have warehouses full of the parts, or contracts on the books that need to be depleted. Apple is good at supply chain, they won't waste what they have/have committed.
@@thunderarch5951 you sound like someone who expects things to magically be built and show up on your doorstep without the faintest idea how supply chain actually works.
Perhaps the idea behind the M2 was to get the "I don't want to be an early adopter" folks to buy. Save money on the chassis and put in the "second gen" chip.
@@Superdelphinus new Air has garbage notch though. That alone is the sole reason I'm not even considering that device and I don't care how good they are at hiding it with interface adjustments.
I am not a fan of Apple by any means, but I would agree that magsafe is the best. Like, its a proprietary charger done right. There's a reason Volta has been able to make a fortune off their chargers
MagSafe is quite annoying for all the times it disconnects accidentally. But it's worth it for all the times it saves your laptop's life. I held out years upgrading my MacBook until they finally brought it back.
Isn't an Apple patent the reason why other laptop manufacturers can't make mag safe charger ports? If so, then god damn, the least that they could do is actually use it. I wish that my laptop had that.
@@vladimir_k_bestplayerna1217 Apple and Microsoft have patented the hell of the magnetic connector designs. It's almost impossible to make another connector like that now + none license the tech anyway
I love that brand, such a good brand name too. "brand", short and clear, perfect. (you forgot to insert the brand name in the chapter for the sponsor, or the D, I don't know)
WellI think the M2 MBP is here due to the price raise of M2 MB Air. In some markets a M2 MBP is even cheaper than M2 MBA at the same spec, which makes it more compelling than the air. You do lose the magsafe, but also get a cooler machine and longer battery life in return, which is fair trade.
For whatever reason, after looking at the updated Air/Pro designs, I decided that I still like the old Pro design and think the Touch Bar is kind of cool, so I bought the 2022 Pro to replace my 2013 Pro, and upgraded to a 512 h/d, with a reasonable discount. I paid about the same for the new one as I did for the 2013 model which has served me well minus screen-gate.
8:11 Actually, the 14" MacBook Pro is thinner, if we don't take into account the larger rubber feet. The 14" MBP is only volumetrically larger, as its shape is uniform across the board, whereas the 13" tapers off towards the edges.
I really love the Touchbar , it is somewhat useful in Photoshop , but once you get used to keyboard shortcuts the touchbar is actually useless. I do find it quite comfortable to be able to control Spotify and have my own shortcuts. I think Touchbar is really useful if you actually customise it to suit you. Which is something many people here probably haven’t tried.
I've found that it's a bit less stressful to memorize the ubiquitous shortcuts. I want to be able to hop from one computer to the next knowing how everything ticks, without having to go all-out and customize my keyboard just to avoid feeling irritated.
@@pirojfmifhghek566 hey same here. The only place that doesn't work out the box is Linux as you would need something like wine or crossover (same group) to have Photoshop on it.
Almost no one should buy the 13” pro. If you wouldn’t upgrade the system memory then just stick with the air. If you do need the upgraded RAM, then just get the 14” pro. It’s not that much more expensive and is completely worth it.
Got the M1 Air base model 3months ago for under 1000€ and monitoring memory swap (not using chrome) this is by far still the best deal if the M2 Air should have the same single 256GB memory.
The Macbook "Pro" 13 was never a Pro product, it has the same hardware as a Macbook Air but in a bigger chassis and more expensive. It's not worth it. If they wanted to get rid of their old touchbar chassis they could have used the M1 Pro chip and charge USD150.00 less than the 14 inch Macbook Pro. That could have been a winner!
This thing is a bridge from the MacBook Air to the 14" MacBook Pro. You need more power than the Air? You go to this which is a little more expensive but a crappy deal, so you take the 14" which again is just a little more expensive. This is how you upsell twice or one machine.
Hey Anthony, I'm not sure whether it'd more appropriate for this channel or on the main LTT one, but could you do a video on the progress Asahi Linux has made with getting things working on the M1? I've looked into it myself and it seems pretty promising, but I think your expertise here would be cool to see in a video.
I dunno if it's really appropriate for any of their channels (other than maybe brief updates on TechLinked) until it has most things working including GPU acceleration.
I am still lukewarm on the ARM Macs for two reasons: no windows bootcamp for games, and the notch. When these are addressed, I think these will be much better value propositions
I know it sounds cliche, but honestly you stop seeing it after a while, like your brain gets selective blindness to it. Pair with a dark wallpaper and dark mode and it's pretty much invisible even if you're looking for it.
@@W1ldTangent I don't disbelieve you, but my brain can be a real stubborn asshole sometimes. Other people see a notch, I see a middle finger from the design team 😅
I thought "eugghh" when I first saw the notch. But now I have a MacBook with a notch, and honestly I don't even notice it. It just blends into the menubar. And if you black out the menubar (which is the default for full-screen windows anyway) the notch becomes completely invisible.
Even if bootcamp was available you still couldn't play most of the games on it because none of them are compatible with the arm architecture, and windows arm has a poor emulator for x86 apps
I also see so many people complaining about some of the buttons, like the siri shortcut, being useless. Except they don’t realise you can customise the touchbar. You can also set the function keys as default if you prefer that, tho they are still soft keys
@@SmokedHam444 yeah it’s never not gonna be weird that they’re not physical buttons you can feel with your fingers Personally I never used function keys so the idea of having this super flexible layout that changed with context and preference was still good, especially after they moved the escape key back to being physical
@@HaikuOezu Yeah agreed, I also like the touchbar functionality. I never use the actual Function key stuff like f1 f2 etc but sometimes it is nice to have some tactile feedback or adjust audio without looking. My main gripe is that it (still!!) tends to be quite buggy. The perfect but redundant scenario would be to have both keys and touchbar
YES THEY SMELL THANK YOU! I had to replace my type c cable for my MacBook Pro recently. Got one from Amazon and it smelled awful to me. Like mold almost. I could smell it from sever feet away as well. Returned and got another one. Also smelled. Went to target to get one instead and it smelled as well so I gave up. My best friend didn’t notice an issue. Thought I was crazy.
@@gigihanmandarin the first one also just didn’t work lol. it’s been a week and still smells btw. But less so. It will go away eventually I’m sure but the smell was really offensive to me so it was worth trying to exchange it.
That smell have been on so much from China the last 8 years or more. It smell like the warehouse were flooded with river water, mixed with cow shit and left the dry before it was sold through eBay.
@@gigihanmandarin I have returned so much from china the last 8 years, that I can not keep track on it. It is a foul smell that are impossible to distract from.
In Europe, the 16GB version of the 13 and 14" cost almost the same, so here I am scratching my head even more what the new 13" M2 MacBook Pro even exists....
That was the same with the M1 MB Pro 13, if you spec it 512GB/16GB it is only £250 short of the M1 MB Pro 14 with the same config. Not sure why this is important when it has always been that way. What Apple has in fact done is rather than run with the M1 (first version of Apple Silicon) for another year whilst they wait for 3nm, they have improved what did not work as well on their first go. Why people would complain about this or not want a much improved version seems almost agenda-driven? Anyway for the people that want to know there has been a lot of improvements, maybe not ones that fit on the box, but stuff that makes the M2 better than the M1 equivalent and def worth Apple doing this.
It exists purely as a psychological device to increase sales of the better (more expensive) models. Most manufacturers do it. If ever there's a device that you look at and go "I may as well get that one" you've been got.
After purchasing, using for a week alongside my 2016 MBP; I had returned the 2022 M2 MBP. It was equal other than computing power while streaming. The speakers have a DEFINITE downgrade from 2016 which is SUPER sad. And the touchbar is very useless. There needs to be a touchbarless MBP.
For people like me, who still love the Touch Bar, this is the perfect upgrade. If you want the 14" MBP...just go buy that, since it's still on the shelf and still technically outperforms the M2.
I personally find the 13" M1 MacBook Pro and Air prettier than the newer models. I would go as far as saying they are/were peak Apple. Sleek and minimalistic. There's just something about this new dark plastic keyboard surface and "fat" design that I find aesthetically unpleasing. Just my taste, but maybe I'm not the only one.
Apple updated the M1 MacBook pro because it cost almost nothing more to produce. The point is not to replace existing M1 macbooks, it's just to have an updated offer for someone who wants to replace an old laptop with a new one
I love my Touch Bar. I hope they offer an M2 Max or M2 Pro version with a Touch Bar. I honestly never do any thing where I need my function keys that second for something that wasn’t already mapped to the Touch Bar.
It was probably the same in other videos, but I didn't notice till this video that right after unboxing and powering up the machine, it has a LTT account, so they had already checked it out and were unboxing it again for the video.
@@demetter7936 I'm not broke by any means but for my mother(all my grandmothers have long since passed) in her early 70's I got her a Nokia T20 Android tablet as she is use to Android on her phone, and paired it with a Logitech K480 keyboard, it's been fantastic for $180, plus the $25 I paid for a used K480, so much so I just ordered myself a Nokia T20 Tablet to replace my old ONN tablet. I just don't see the point in paying Apple prices unless you are going to be doing serious work, as even a 1/2 decent specced Android tablet can handle the daily task that most people are doing, even light to medium loads of office work with Google Docs/Sheets/etc.. as I've done with my ONN 10.1in tablet with only 3GB of RAM.
At first, I was a tad bit upset about having missed getting an M2 because I assumed it was better but I had already purchased my M1. Super glad I didn't get an M2 because my M1 has been GREAT.
I bought an M1 Air at launch a couple of years back. Being base was not a problem as I was doing mostly light office work with it, the portability was good when I travelled and the thing edge was comfortable to use. That being said, I just bought an M2 MacBook Pro, yes the Touch Bar for me makes a huge difference, the 0.3 screen difference from the m2 air was not a deal breaker as its mostly use to relocate the app menu on the top. M2 Air is thinner but I find the Touch Bar quite useful and to be was a deal breaker, the cooling system is a littler better when playing games or compigin vids. I had the option to purchase the base 14' but I severely disliked the squared design, the thickness and weight were also drawbacks as I travel constantly and the extra space taken and extra weight were an inconvenience. Overall there are still a lot of space in the market for the MacBook 13 pro,
I wish they would've made the screen a little larger like the past 16in MacBook Pro by reducing those bezels to make it a 13.6in or 14in. Also a 1080p webcam should've been inserted for us remote worker. I don't like the thickness of the new MacBook Pros.
I usually love Anthony’s videos, but feel as though this was a bit pointless. When else have LTT ever done a full comparison review if a laptop and the same laptop with a spec bump? What was the point of comparing microphones, webcams and speakers in 2 essentially identical laptops? It has a faster processor. That is basically the only difference. And they are still selling this product for 2 reasons. 1. Because people still want them. 2. Because they have parts to use up. I don’t know why Apple should get a hard time for making a computer that people want. Yes sure, people more technically literate would always go for either the air or the 14” Pro, but I know a million students/parents/grandparents who literally couldn’t care and want to buy a Pro because of the name and the history of MacBook Pro’s being great. I imagine that 90% of people buying these M2 Pros had a Pro of an older generation before. There are plenty of reasons to give Apple crap over their decision making, but I don’t think this is one of them.
such a apple thing, they create something extremely useful with m1, and then release the new version without checking if its better or not, which seems to be worse tbh
already proven by real non biased non sensational reviewers that the speed doesnt actually matter in any task, any program, any settings, except for programs designed to test ssd speeds. Anyone with a brain knows two ssd's in RAID means it's faster but that probably means you'll load into Mac OS 0.1 seconds faster or loading a program 0.00001 seconds faster ☠ the reason real world performance is the same is because of heat. You will never have the cooling capacity to cool two ssd's in a laptop to run without down clocking. The ssd does not matter people. Its not the SSD the determines how fast programs or OS loads its what the OS and programs determine. Read a book pls
The whole model number thing doesn’t make any sense. The venerable A1278 (the non-Retina 13’’ MacBook Pro) never changed its model number throughout its insane 7-year-long production run but still underwent *significant* internal changes, to the point that the chassis are not all interchangeable and many components, such as SATA cables, aren’t, either, owing to subtle logic board layout rearrangements. You can only identify a Mac model generation by looking at its ID, i.e, the “MacBookProX,X” string, or at its SKU code on the box. And this can actually be beneficial for procurement of the parts that *are* indeed interchangeable, and for organizing repair guides and whatnot. It’s much easier to keep track of the exceptions and order machines by year of release, than to keep track of a profusion of different model numbers. I speak from experience, as trying to buy hinges and a display back for an ASUS was an absolute nightmare, as they’d have different model numbers even based on region, just because they had a different keyboard, whereas an A1278 was *always* an A1278 for stuff such as trackpads, MagSafe connectors, fans, bottom covers, hinge covers, batteries (or at least there were just two models and are, IIRC, interchangeable), etc.
The Macbook Air is $100 less but has a worse GPU (8 vs 10), no active cooling, 10% smaller battery, half speed slower charger and a hideous notch. The Air has a better webcam and speakers and weighs 0.3 pounds less, but to me I would pick the one with a larger battery, faster charger and better sustained performance.
@@Juanguar No it's not. The 1499 version has a 512GB SSD. If you configure the 256 to have 10 cores, it is the same price as the pro. In fact configured the same way, they cost the same across the board. You get faster charging, newer design, larger screen, better camera and guess what you can charge it and still have two working ports. Not the case for the pro. Pro has only two advantages: cooling and battery. If you need sustained better performance where you will significantly benefit from more power, get the 14 inch. By the time you spec the 13 inch to be a decent spec with 16GB of RAM and 512GB SSD or above the gap is 300 at MSRP. And they can be had for 200 off MSRP at BestBuy already (the only US store I checked, maybe better deals are available somewhere). So just pay 100 extra and get the 14 inch that will be faster. The battery? I guess. But at the end of the day with the Air having fast charging I'd expect you to be able to charge it up pretty quick throughout the day and get more juice from it.
@@Georgekartveli Not if my budget is under $1500. I did not know about the $100 upgrade on the air to get the 10 core gpu and saw that for $20 more you can get the proper charger so that does help, but no active cooling, smaller battery and notch are still deal breakers for me. I absolutely hate the notch design on these laptops and would have rather they kept the 720p web cams (i rarely use it anyways).
Apple made this MBP so that the Air looks like a better get for the price, ultimately discontinuing both M1 Air and MBP but keeping the M2 Air price moving forward.
The physical Function key is a personal choice. Some people like touching physical keys instead of capacitative screens. If you want it and you are paying money for it. That is reason enough, doesn't matter how wondrous touch bar is.
They should do a full keyboard like that. Just develop something nice for the feedback so that it feels more like touching actual keys. Could save some space & offer even slimmer products.
If you've got a design that works it never really becomes obsolete. I mean this in a general sense, not really about the MacBook here. The aesthetic of a device doesn't have to be redone with every release if it's abilities, both functional and aesthetic, were nailed the first time. What I'm saying is, our society seems to think that in order for something to be new and improved in the inside, it's has to look differently on the outside as well. Function ≠ cosmetics but I do understand where each are important. I can't recall the exact name for this concept, but the idea is perceived as cosmetic obsolescence.
They're still not haptic - its nearly Impossible to hit them without looking. Its quite an issue for programming where you press F8 to step throgh a program line by line and F7 to enter into the statement and stuff like that...
This M2 chip should have been called M1+ or S. Both Air and Pro are minor upgrades. We at least got new design for Air but that price jump isn't justified by anything we got this year. Really underwhelming.
Apple had a bunch of frames leftover from the M1 13" Macbook Pro...so they wanted to use them up. Thus, the M2 13" Macbook Pro. There is no other justification for this model.
Quick question? Why isn’t this content of the Mac channel and have Anthony as a co-host? Doesn’t it make more sense?. We need more videos on that channel.
Thank you, Apple, for giving me no reason to upgrade my M1. I approve of this new (old) direction. Hope you screw up the M2 Max too, so I can happily buy the M1 Max disconted and not miss a thing.
What nonsense is this? The M2 is not "screwed". The chip itself is great. But the point is Apple never planned on make people upgrade from the M1. Heck that is even why they're still selling the M1 MBA.
I have a (14”) MacBook Pro and I don’t think I’ll need to upgrade again until m5 or 6, definitely not every year. I mainly use it for music production and it barely can be arsed to break a sweat at almost anything I throw at it, including some relatively heavy photoshop and da Vinci stuff. I still haven’t heard its fans lol. I’m not sure why you’d need an m2 pro if you already have an m1 pro - what is it pushing up against from a performance perspective?
Apple should make the MacBook thicker for louder thicker fans and thicker heat pipes to more push more heat out. Give the m2 a redesigned taller slim heat sink give it a bezel less screen 5K standard all models. The base models should have these specs Before any upgrades with retaining the same price currently. 16GB memory 512Gb SSD 5K bezel less monitor for all standard models. Starting price 1299. That would be fair 🍏 🍏.
I guess I’m one of the few who like the touchbar. Once they added the physical escape button it became perfect to me. Not a fan of the new thiccbooks with raccoon face keyboards.
Also I don't get the "but my function keys" argument everyone seems to use. Like, does nobody realize that pressing the "fn" key in the bottom left turns the touch bar into function keys? Or that there's a toggle in the settings to make it show function keys by default, and have the "fn" key show the regular touch bar controls? Similar to how most computers with actual function keys also map them to brightness, volume, media controls, etc. with the "fn" key. I love my function keys as well but it's not like they're missing or anything, they're just in touch screen form (which allows for a wider range of functionality like offering a volume/brightness slider instead of up/down buttons). The biggest problem with the touch bar is that it was never supported. They introduced it then never bothered to improve upon it or expand its functionality/customizability aside from shrinking it to fit the escape key back in.
You know you can customise the touch bar right? Like if you want the function row by default you can, if you want a button to mute your mic you can. The main complaint is around tactile feel and software, not versatility
Not sure why this review makes a big deal about the mic quality when the old mic quality was already best-in-class and the new mic quality advances it marginally. Sure, most Windows mics are absolute crap, but why anyone thinks that same quality would apply to a Mac laptop in 2022 is beyond me.
Especially when it's 256 GB of slow storage. I mean technically there's a 13% bump in performance over the m1 but It requires like a 30% increase in power draw. Pretty lackluster showing from Apple even compared to their own lineup
Perfect Ending! I would also like to mention for anyone that is still looking at buying this M2 Pro, Please Please get the 512GB SSD otherwise you would honestly have been better off buying a M1 Air and it being faster. With a 512GB ssd the M2 has a tiny place in the lineup as the fastest M2 machine with the most battery even when the M2 Air arrives. Just forget the 256GB version exists.
The $400 for 512GB/16GB is expensive but def worth the investment as it will be future-proofed. It gets it close to the M1 MB Pro 14 which asks another question.
One of the most baffling products they have ever released, and so confusing since almost every other laptop they have made in that last two years has been awesome and exactly what their fans have wanted. I love my 14” MBP, but I don’t understand why they made this either.
@@rudysal1429 no, that's not a fair assessment at all. Both the new 14 & 16" MBP's and the new MBA are all getting great reviews and praise, while this new M2 MBP is getting poor reviews showing it to actually be SLOWER than the M1 version. Yes their products are more expensive but no one else prioritizes design like apple does and some people care about that and are willing to pay a premium for it. Saying this is just like the others is not accurate.
@@mutedmutiny9542 paying a premium for design instead of prioritizing functionality is the main problem with their platform. Of course if you are not a power user and just need a computer to browse the web and a few other tasks than any computer will do. Might as well pay the same price for a Ferrari but with a Volkswagen engine.
@@rudysal1429 that would be a compelling argument if they really weren’t functional, but can you honestly tell me that outside of this M2 MBP, that their other machines aren’t capable of doing what their customers need them to do?
Didnt Apple say their SSDs were the fastest you could get in the industry? Pretty sure i have cheap external SSDs that are faster than that. Heck i had a sub $100 SSD that was faster than the "fast" original M1 SSD
I think the whole reason if the M2 MacBook Pro (I’ma call it M2 pro) was released was to essentially get rid of it once and for all, given the fact that the prices have risen the gap between the M1 pro chip models and the base air (M2) is a lot closer now, and for quite some time the M2 pro based laptops were starting to make less and less sense. I think they intentionally (and hopefully) kneecapped the performance of the M2 pro to make the other products (M2 air and M1 pro/max) have a greater share and as a result more resources available for fewer products. I’m praying for the M2 Air to not follow the pro but at this point it’s looking a lot like it
@@xXlURMOMlXx picture it like this- why would they intentionally release the MacBook Pro in such a state, an old design, no or minor changes- it looks like a product to shift dead or old parts/stock. I think they made the pro so bad to force people to move to more mainstream products- 1. A more expensive M1 pro MacBook Pro 2. A MacBook Air which is better in the majority of ways currently and is more mainstream. If you think, the pro dosent make sense unless you are trying to get rid of old parts and cut off a lineup to reduce the spread of parts required. How is it a bad take? Lack of actual criticism much?
@@3X3-n3j i don't even like Macs but hoping they kneecap something is a.dumb take why would you hope that? It's obvious they want to get rid of old stock but reusing designs year after year is apples forte idk why anyone is suprised. Iphones have been basically the same for the past 3 generations. Even the most 2 recent iPhones use the same processor. Apple is good at maintaining a walled garden ecosystem and quality, but definitely not innovation. The most innovative thing they've done since the original iPhone is add a magnet to the back of their phones lol
@@xXlURMOMlXx I’m mainly going to focus on the “kneecapping” bit. Out of the entire MacBook range the air is the most sold followed by the M1 Pro/Max MacBooks with the M2 pro dead last. They put 1 nand chips in the M2 pro MacBook along with the outdated design to shift off any old dead stock and to reserve the 2 nand Ssds for the Air. Why? Because the air is the most sold. By me saying kneecap I’m saying they intentionally didn’t put the best available components in it. Why? Don’t really know, but one reason could be the fact that there is a global chip shortage and 1 ssd is cheaper than 2 Ssd. Regarding design, yeah apple isn’t revolutionary in that department at all, but I appreciate when they do change the design because when they do it’s good. Plus how have other companies innovated in the laptop/phone space recently and have made it a mainstream product. Because from my point of view apple dosent do it because there is a high risk mid reward, and it being a company which is kinda lazy until there is something obvious that’s in their reach (ARM computer chips) they won’t do it.
At this point selling anything with the butterfly keyboard is just criminal. And in about 3-4 months we'll se why at Rossman Repairs. Or not. I don't think there are many things left in the M-series macbooks that Louis can fix, it's basically just a phone: a single SoC and some support electronics for power delivery and ribbon cables to the peripherals.
These hardware features are one thing. Has anyone noticed the os is not OSX but macOS, and the lack of support for apps, even apps from the app store. Is apple going to make side loading apps on their pcs not a thing? Try opening an ebook on a fresh install, and follow the on screen messaging, not that they literally don't mention downloading an app off the internet, and only push app store apps...
I work as a software developer in a big company, my company buys us macbooks every couple of years, they would never buy a macbook air, and they are very cheap, so they always buy the cheapest possible model with half decent storage. Last year they bought the M1 macbook pro, this year they will buy the M2.
Why don't they get the air?would save them money and there are negligible performance differences in the m1 era. Although I guess it could depend on the use case but only some pretty excessive fringe use cases would you see any performance benefits on the m1 pro versus the air.
@@michaelcorcoran8768 the reason I got the M1 mbp last year instead of the air was the bit larger battery and the fan, just in case I’m doing something that requires more of the computer when in a warm place. And I guess I’d do the same even considering the renews Air.
I like the old chassis better than the new one, tbh. Its surface tapers off at the edge and looks like a pillow overall, which is something I still love about my 2012 MBP 😁
well, the 13 inch m1 pro has been great for me, and for occasional lightroom and photoshop the fans do come handy more than one occasions. To me the extra performance come out of the max model only benefit people in the professional field who requires the extra gpu/cpu cores and storage space. The catch is in their use case, most would go for the much higher specs which cost significantly more than the speced out m1 pro models.
I got the base model 14 inch because I wanted 16gb of ram and 512 gb ssd, By the time I upgraded those features the leap in price to the 14" was small. The XDR display on the 14" alone is worth the difference not to mention it comes with the M1 Pro. I like that I can run some games on it, I play Tomb Raider and Firewatch on it.
@@erubielalanis6658 nice! personally I don’t play games on work laptops. For me though the 32gb ram with 2tb model makes more sense as no future upgradability in MacBooks. I have a powerful desktop, if mac is my only machine i would go this route. But everyone’s use case is different.
The touch bar takes a bit of work to make it functional (thanks BetterTouchTool!) but I honestly couldn't imagine my laptop without it now and I'm not looking forward to having to upgrade away from it. I really do wish that people didn't just shrug dismissively at it like it was a terrible concept - it was much more a terrible implementation from Apple that made it a base-level burden that required work to become useful.
I didnt care for the touchbar and didnt use it and it would have been absolutely fine if they didnt remove the escape key. Personally I think that irritated alot of developers, they ended up bringing the physical key back again but it was already tainted by then. shame really could have been great
I have an m1 and I have yet to have a single issue. It hasn't even gotten hot. It's amazing. How did all of my other laptops overheat and lag when this doesn't do any of either???
Definitely feels like a marketing scheme - make the 'pro' model seem worse so it seems that spending $1200 on Apple's cheapest computer, the M2 air, 'feels' worth it, when in reality, no one would ever justify a $1200 base model a few years ago. In my opinion, the reason the M2 Pro was made to sell more M2 Airs.
Considering what their phones are selling for, I don't think the Apple base model price range is the same as the overall market base model price range.
Aponte os getting smart. The colour is getting darker. So when you scratch it Will be more noticeable and annoying making you want to upgrade. Well done. I’m glad i never buy painted electronics. But i had to learn the hard way when a MacBook paint started melting due to heat on the bottom. Lesson learned. Never again.
I have commented on so many of these MacBook Pro M2 videos just to disagree with people saying its bad! It's a awesome MacBook I love it, it's great! Great battery, great screen, great Touch Bar, great speakers. Overall it's an amazing laptop
But what does it have over the MacBook Air M2? Active cooling for the processor will make the processor faster, but unless you get the 512GB it’ll probably still be slower (for any task that uses storage) than the M1 from 2 yrs ago. So you must pay for the upgrade and you’re soon getting in MacBook Pro 14” territory.
@@mihnealazar7039 It has a great design, a Touch Bar witch I love, a much better battery so I can use it when I travel. That's why I bought one and I love it so much
@@mihnealazar7039 That effort to "make the processor faster" is a huge deal when you're dropping $2k+ on a laptop. The passive cooling in the M2 Air is bad, really bad, if you do more than light tasks or anything intensive for more than a few minutes. I bought the full 24GB, 2TB M2 Pro, it's a very fast machine and is quite slim and easy to carry around with a charger and cable. The 14" is quite a bit bigger and heavier, and even though the 14" base spec is faster than an 13" M2 Pro, it's also a good bit more expensive. You can get 24GB of ram and a 1TB SSD in an M2 Pro, and still be $100 under the price of an absolutely base spec 14".
I mean, the 14inch is just 300€ more in Europe if we account for the street price (plus you get double the storage, bigger screen, better battery, mini-LED 120hz screen, better keyboard and speakers), why would anyone pick up the new M2? It makes absolutely no sense.
Apple and many other companies figured out a long time ago that allowing their customers to easily distinguish between new and old products is a bad idea because then they can't trick people into emptying their old stock.
Depends on the product. For the ones they want you to upgrade every year and for the "New generations" they want to make it as diffrent as posibile so there is that brag factor.
@@mihaidragnea9785 Apple doesn't use this philosophy for most of their products. Look at the Apple online shop. Apple sells like 3 generations of products at a time, why would they want to convince you that the old one is bad?
Tim Cook is one of the best manufacturing managers in the business. That’s why Apple has the lowest time-to-customer in the industry. Since Apple doesn't have much stock, the lockdown in China caused Apple’s recent lead time to increase dramatically.
So I don't think they are selling the old model just for stock clearance.
(Sorry for my poor English lol)
Actually, I think they does, why do you think they always launch newer iPhones with similar design but new colors?
You could argue because it give people more choices, but I personally thinks it just so people could distinguish the old ones and new ones.
@@CYKuo-yl9lg I tend to agree. That said, I think the reason for the M2 MBP is not stock clearance, but manufacturing inertia. Apple has a lot of manufacturers who can make the current MBP chassis and parts
Apple was able to get this device to customers much faster than the all-new M2 MBA, and are also likely selling the M2 chip at an increased profit margin with the MBP versus the M2 MBA. The current low-end MBP will likely be discontinued once initial costs of changing the MBA design have been paid off and supply lines free up a bit. The M1 MBA will also likely stick around for about the same time. That said, this is informed guessing at best, and Apple has surprised me before
I mean, real reason:
M2 13" has a fan and longer battery life.
I have the M1 Pro 13", but these are my thoughts:
1) I can take it on the road and don't have to charge it as soon as I would any other laptop (apart from the M2 13").
2) I can play games on my lap, using a custom, but quiet, fan setting, and it never gets warm to the touch.
3) The only function keys I ever use are brightness and sound, both of which work great on the touchbar.
4) You can make use of the extra GPU power on the M1 and M2 Pro 13", whereas you cannot on the Air.
I also have an M1 Max 16", which I somewhat regret purchasing. Excellent machine, but I tend to use my MSI GE67HX for similar workloads.
I honestly think every mainstream reviewer missed the mark on the M2 Pro 13. I find it almost flawless. I even like the rounded shape when its on my lap, and the black bezels when consuming media.
Hello, I have M2 touchbar MacBook Pro, but do you think to upgrade 14” mbp, does it worth? (I mainly watch movie and listen music)? Thank you
My guess is they had a bunch of lower binned M2 chips. Run hotter and need that old chassis active cooling to get full M2 performance. Saving up the top tier chips for the new M2 Air
@@Sonu666 that isn't a response to this comment... It is plausible that they are using M2 chips that require extra cooling to hit the required performance and are therefore unsuitable for the M2 air and so are being put in a "new" MacBook Pro with active cooling
Gotta find a way to sucker people into paying full price for garbage hardware.
I think they just still must sell a lot of them
People still buy them like hot cakes. Apple doesn't care. It just the one who buy them is idiot.
@coolthingy the third yes that is literally the point. The guy I replied to said something irrelevant and since deleted their comment
I think they avoid yearly naming to give their products some sort of "mystical, timeless" air, even though it really just confuses more technically inclined users. That said, at least it keeps their resale value high for when you want to get the newest version, I suppose
Resale value is high because Apple OS doesn't work well on non-Apple devices.
But atleast a different model number would be nice
"timeless design"
- Gamer Nexus when talking about Dell desktops
Every new model needs recertification.
Use the old model chassis, you won't need to recertify it.
Apple must be short on money.
Honestly sad that people are basically more entice to resell their Apple devices than to keep using them since a new model comes out every year. “Made to last” before it is sold again💀.
I mean on one hand, for me, it’s nice to know that my 2020 intel MacBook Pro doesn’t already look dated
I already did when you got it. 😆
But it does though. Compared to the new air and 14 inch pro
If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it
U can say what u want to ur self but intel macbook are trash now
@@MonicaHolly143 do you use your Mac in a professional setting lol ? Can you even grasp the performance difference in real world scenarios ?
The 13 inch MacBook Pro (M2) seems to just be a way for Apple to get rid of excess 13 inch chassis… because I doubt “real” professionals still want a touch bar and a smaller, lower refresh rate screen than the 14 inch MacBook Pro.
@@jordank195 fanboys.
@Nova just had to be homophobic for no reason huh
@@LockonKubi even fanboys should go with the air or straight to the 14. The 13 pro is redundant
@@jordank195 to create a youtube video about it
I mean, I find the touchbar pretty comfy
Yes, it's not the end of the world if it's missing, but for me it's a nice thing to have.
This combined with USB-C charging makes it still a good option in my eyes.
Also yes, I would've totally enjoyed a new design or a better screen if it kept at least the USB-C charging
I love how desperately Apple is trying to get rid of their stock of touchbar MacBook Pro 13s. 😂 they invested WAY too much in them.
That is all just nonsense dude. This is simply NOT how this world works anymore. Factories don't have like hundreds of thousands of components lying around that then get used in a future product to get rid of them. That is not how it works!
I thought the same but it seems like they have kept them around for too long to be just over stock. The 13 inch MacBook Pro is like the second most popular model. So I don’t really know what apple is doing…
Maybe it’s because a decent amount of people still want the Touch Bar so they just keep this thing around. I know most people at my job preferred the Touch Bar. Crazy I know.
I don’t know. If they wanted to get rid of the old design, wouldn’t it make more sense to put it in the cheapest possible product? Like they did with the regular iPad or iPhone SE. Discontinue M1 MacBook Air, discount M1 pro 13 to $999
@@officialANON001 I think it's cause it looks cooler, and not actually more functional tbh. If all I did on my computer was browse the web and watch movies it would be good but then i would probably just get the air.
I still don’t get why Apple bothers with the lower speed SSDs for their products. Just charge more for the base model. It’s not like they’re strangers to expensive electronics.
Also, nice pride watch band, Anthony.
Not everybody needs such high SSD speeds. Outside of benchmarks and edge cases it makes very minimal difference.
its a common marketing/sale practice to create a sub par version of a product to make the standart model seem more valuable and attractive
@@tim3172 It's a 'PRO' model dude.
@@tim3172 I don't think that's necessarily true. max tech -- hardly an apple hater -- made some pretty persuasive videos explaining why this is pretty detrimental to even pretty typical use cases. Especially compared to the m1 which was less expensive.
@@tim3172 no it actually makes a big diffrence and when you are paying more for that pro name You would expect to get more not less
A lot of ways to think about this, I see the reason that people still prefer M2 pro is because of the fans and touch bar, even you dont recognize M1 or M2 from the chassis, but you can definitely tell it is a 13 pro. People also purchasing 13pro because it is special, classic chassis, and they honestly dont care about 720p webcam, however the screen revolution is already awesome and very stable performance in a long run, most of people wouldnt even use macbooks as a speaker anyway, but its sound quality is fantastic, where 14 pro is even better, but Im pretty sure that nobody choose 13pro mainly considering the sound quality. For M1 13pro users, definitely not worth for the upgrade to M2 13pro, but for first Macbook users like me, Id for sure go with the M2 13pro for its uniqueness, and the classic thick chassis with fans is the way to go for long term usage, and I believe that was the main reason Apple had courage to use the same M1 13pro chassis for the M2.
Just bought the m2 13pro and its my first ever macbook! So the chassis isnt really "dated" for me as I haven't even experienced it before at all. I can see why everyone on youtube is recommending the m2 air over it for people who are already apple fans, or who want an update. But there are people like you and me who are the outliers who can buy this and still be satisfied.
You guys really need to do a "meet the crew" series where all the members of LTT get interviewed so we can learn about them and they're history....like their past work experience and education. Anthony would make a fascinating start.
I think they did that on floatplane
Maybe a video about where they live. Kinda like MTV cribs. They should show us what street they live on, what days they're not home, that sort of thing.
@@pirojfmifhghek566 😬
@@pirojfmifhghek566 💀
@@pirojfmifhghek566 bruh
I used to work in a staples back in high school and apple has for a long time made it incredibly difficult for anyone to distinguish which model is which. This is particularly annoying if you're a store that carries multiple models.
We had a few people come back to the store and return iPad models specifically for this reason lol---one of our team members handed them over the wrong year's iPad without knowing the difference.
EDIT:
I know that they've always included model numbers on the back of the packaging, but finding which model is which is surprisingly difficult. It's also not always in a standardized location, so it's very confusing. Really they should just work more on their packaging lol. It got so bad to the point that our electronics manager had to spend an afternoon developing an organization system for our backroom stock of them, and basically personally took over making sure they were in the right places so people would avoid handing out the wrong models.
It literally says model number at 0:43 seconds the labels on the left, Model number is it between the barcodes on the right half of The label. Immediately right of the text saying MacBook Pro 13 inch. You could zoom in if you like. Unfortunately this presenter is always an Apple hater and always exaggerating….. Even if some of it may be well-deserved for Apple’s BS it’s just annoying.
@@ultraret you know that Antony use iPhone and apple watches right? i wouldn't say he's an apple hater
@@ultraret Antony is not a hater, Apple is annoying af.
@@mustafazakiassagaf1757 he definitely presents himself in an appel hating way
@@ultraret you mean the one that says A2338 ? That refers to both the M1 and the M1 models. The "order number" and serial are the only unique identifiers, and the "order" is not listed on-device.
I do love the Touch Bar.. Some apps have convenient widgets. However, the best part is customizing the bar with better touch tools. I use it daily and absolutely love it on my pro m1 2020 :)
If they had called it the "MacBook SE" it would have
-Fully legitimised the decision to use old hardware
-Allowed them to keep it in the lineup for a quadrillion years if needed, without looking tacky
-Made sense relative to the iPhone naming scheme
-Cleverly and side-winkishly made reference to the Macintosh II/Macintosh SE market positioning. Almost too cleverly assuming the below dot point.
-Been expected to sell for at LEAST 30% less... Hell, potentially making the Air look like the bad value option in comparison.
Either way, I reckon if you cancelled the above idea partway through execution due to fears over revenues, it's probably fair to say this is more or less the exact product you'd get out of it.
There's nothing illegal about using old hardware. I'd buy a 2012 Mac Pro if they could stick an M1 in it and update the Mobo to current IO.
They have warehouses full of the parts, or contracts on the books that need to be depleted. Apple is good at supply chain, they won't waste what they have/have committed.
If you have a lot of something bad, and you need to keep selling it despite people complaining about it, you're not good at it, lol
@@thunderarch5951 you sound like someone who expects things to magically be built and show up on your doorstep without the faintest idea how supply chain actually works.
That’s why they shouldn’t have released a new model. Just drop the price on the 13” pro
That explains iPhone SE 3
@@thunderarch5951 Spoken by someone who knows nothing about Demand Planning or SIOP.
Perhaps the idea behind the M2 was to get the "I don't want to be an early adopter" folks to buy. Save money on the chassis and put in the "second gen" chip.
True, but they have always used chassis for multiple generations.
It’s also in the new air though, which is a new design. It’s just this specific MacBook ‘pro’ that doesn’t make sense.
@@Superdelphinus nothing about Apples products make any sense, ever :P
@@Superdelphinus new Air has garbage notch though. That alone is the sole reason I'm not even considering that device and I don't care how good they are at hiding it with interface adjustments.
I totally agree with that, its like the iPhone SE of Macs. Great chip in an old body. and the Touch Bar is like Touch ID on iPhone 8.
I love how apple fans have legit never forgotten about mag safe. Keep the hope alive
I am not a fan of Apple by any means, but I would agree that magsafe is the best. Like, its a proprietary charger done right. There's a reason Volta has been able to make a fortune off their chargers
MagSafe is quite annoying for all the times it disconnects accidentally. But it's worth it for all the times it saves your laptop's life. I held out years upgrading my MacBook until they finally brought it back.
Isn't an Apple patent the reason why other laptop manufacturers can't make mag safe charger ports? If so, then god damn, the least that they could do is actually use it. I wish that my laptop had that.
@@vladimir_k_bestplayerna1217 Apple and Microsoft have patented the hell of the magnetic connector designs. It's almost impossible to make another connector like that now + none license the tech anyway
MagSafe was one of Apple's most useful innovations. I couldn't believe when I learned that they got rid of it for a while.
I love that brand, such a good brand name too. "brand", short and clear, perfect.
(you forgot to insert the brand name in the chapter for the sponsor, or the D, I don't know)
At this point I'm not sure if it's an error or them messing with dBrand, given the relationship they have with LTT
Which brand? D brand
@@HentaiNat Apple
WellI think the M2 MBP is here due to the price raise of M2 MB Air. In some markets a M2 MBP is even cheaper than M2 MBA at the same spec, which makes it more compelling than the air. You do lose the magsafe, but also get a cooler machine and longer battery life in return, which is fair trade.
I dont mind apple trying to clear out their stock, but put "M2" on the freaking box.
I feel like having Anthony on Mac stuff is like having Davinci unbox a wheel.
The musty smell is real! At least at europe, I’ve experienced that few with few laptops and chargers within 3 years
This has got to be the sassiest Anthony I've ever seen
For whatever reason, after looking at the updated Air/Pro designs, I decided that I still like the old Pro design and think the Touch Bar is kind of cool, so I bought the 2022 Pro to replace my 2013 Pro, and upgraded to a 512 h/d, with a reasonable discount. I paid about the same for the new one as I did for the 2013 model which has served me well minus screen-gate.
8:11 Actually, the 14" MacBook Pro is thinner, if we don't take into account the larger rubber feet. The 14" MBP is only volumetrically larger, as its shape is uniform across the board, whereas the 13" tapers off towards the edges.
I really love the Touchbar , it is somewhat useful in Photoshop , but once you get used to keyboard shortcuts the touchbar is actually useless. I do find it quite comfortable to be able to control Spotify and have my own shortcuts. I think Touchbar is really useful if you actually customise it to suit you. Which is something many people here probably haven’t tried.
I've found that it's a bit less stressful to memorize the ubiquitous shortcuts. I want to be able to hop from one computer to the next knowing how everything ticks, without having to go all-out and customize my keyboard just to avoid feeling irritated.
@@pirojfmifhghek566 hey same here. The only place that doesn't work out the box is Linux as you would need something like wine or crossover (same group) to have Photoshop on it.
Almost no one should buy the 13” pro. If you wouldn’t upgrade the system memory then just stick with the air. If you do need the upgraded RAM, then just get the 14” pro. It’s not that much more expensive and is completely worth it.
Got the M1 Air base model 3months ago for under 1000€ and monitoring memory swap (not using chrome) this is by far still the best deal if the M2 Air should have the same single 256GB memory.
I suspect the Air is delayed due to NAND shortages, one of Apple's suppliers was off-line for a while.
How is the memory doing? Has it written much data yet?
I seriously love the relationship between LTT and dbrand. It never gets old
And Anthony memeing on them everytime
The Macbook "Pro" 13 was never a Pro product, it has the same hardware as a Macbook Air but in a bigger chassis and more expensive. It's not worth it.
If they wanted to get rid of their old touchbar chassis they could have used the M1 Pro chip and charge USD150.00 less than the 14 inch Macbook Pro. That could have been a winner!
It doesn't have the same hardware; bigger battery, different keyboard, more microphones. Whether it's a pro product is obviously subjective.
It is a Pro product for the fact alone that it does have a fan
This thing is a bridge from the MacBook Air to the 14" MacBook Pro. You need more power than the Air? You go to this which is a little more expensive but a crappy deal, so you take the 14" which again is just a little more expensive. This is how you upsell twice or one machine.
Hey Anthony, I'm not sure whether it'd more appropriate for this channel or on the main LTT one, but could you do a video on the progress Asahi Linux has made with getting things working on the M1? I've looked into it myself and it seems pretty promising, but I think your expertise here would be cool to see in a video.
I dunno if it's really appropriate for any of their channels (other than maybe brief updates on TechLinked) until it has most things working including GPU acceleration.
I am still lukewarm on the ARM Macs for two reasons: no windows bootcamp for games, and the notch.
When these are addressed, I think these will be much better value propositions
I know it sounds cliche, but honestly you stop seeing it after a while, like your brain gets selective blindness to it. Pair with a dark wallpaper and dark mode and it's pretty much invisible even if you're looking for it.
@@W1ldTangent I don't disbelieve you, but my brain can be a real stubborn asshole sometimes. Other people see a notch, I see a middle finger from the design team 😅
I thought "eugghh" when I first saw the notch. But now I have a MacBook with a notch, and honestly I don't even notice it. It just blends into the menubar. And if you black out the menubar (which is the default for full-screen windows anyway) the notch becomes completely invisible.
Even if bootcamp was available you still couldn't play most of the games on it because none of them are compatible with the arm architecture, and windows arm has a poor emulator for x86 apps
@@bastienx8 you’d be right if it was 2020
Windows on arm has gotten a lot better in x86 emulation and it also gained x64 emulation
FINALLY! Someone points out you can drag the volume/brightness icon to instantly change the slider value on the Touch Bar
I also see so many people complaining about some of the buttons, like the siri shortcut, being useless. Except they don’t realise you can customise the touchbar. You can also set the function keys as default if you prefer that, tho they are still soft keys
'iNsTaNt'
@@SmokedHam444 yeah it’s never not gonna be weird that they’re not physical buttons you can feel with your fingers
Personally I never used function keys so the idea of having this super flexible layout that changed with context and preference was still good, especially after they moved the escape key back to being physical
@@HaikuOezu Yeah agreed, I also like the touchbar functionality. I never use the actual Function key stuff like f1 f2 etc but sometimes it is nice to have some tactile feedback or adjust audio without looking. My main gripe is that it (still!!) tends to be quite buggy. The perfect but redundant scenario would be to have both keys and touchbar
YES THEY SMELL THANK YOU! I had to replace my type c cable for my MacBook Pro recently. Got one from Amazon and it smelled awful to me. Like mold almost. I could smell it from sever feet away as well. Returned and got another one. Also smelled. Went to target to get one instead and it smelled as well so I gave up. My best friend didn’t notice an issue. Thought I was crazy.
did you try several arms or fingers away? or other body parts? that might help.
You returned it just because of its smell?!Just air it out for some time and you will be set.
@@gigihanmandarin the first one also just didn’t work lol. it’s been a week and still smells btw. But less so. It will go away eventually I’m sure but the smell was really offensive to me so it was worth trying to exchange it.
That smell have been on so much from China the last 8 years or more. It smell like the warehouse were flooded with river water, mixed with cow shit and left the dry before it was sold through eBay.
@@gigihanmandarin I have returned so much from china the last 8 years, that I can not keep track on it. It is a foul smell that are impossible to distract from.
In Europe, the 16GB version of the 13 and 14" cost almost the same, so here I am scratching my head even more what the new 13" M2 MacBook Pro even exists....
That was the same with the M1 MB Pro 13, if you spec it 512GB/16GB it is only £250 short of the M1 MB Pro 14 with the same config. Not sure why this is important when it has always been that way. What Apple has in fact done is rather than run with the M1 (first version of Apple Silicon) for another year whilst they wait for 3nm, they have improved what did not work as well on their first go. Why people would complain about this or not want a much improved version seems almost agenda-driven? Anyway for the people that want to know there has been a lot of improvements, maybe not ones that fit on the box, but stuff that makes the M2 better than the M1 equivalent and def worth Apple doing this.
It exists purely as a psychological device to increase sales of the better (more expensive) models. Most manufacturers do it. If ever there's a device that you look at and go "I may as well get that one" you've been got.
After purchasing, using for a week alongside my 2016 MBP; I had returned the 2022 M2 MBP. It was equal other than computing power while streaming. The speakers have a DEFINITE downgrade from 2016 which is SUPER sad. And the touchbar is very useless. There needs to be a touchbarless MBP.
For people like me, who still love the Touch Bar, this is the perfect upgrade. If you want the 14" MBP...just go buy that, since it's still on the shelf and still technically outperforms the M2.
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70% of the video was wasted on an unboxing and design of a product that didn’t change at all. Good job LTT
Was pretty annoying, thought it was just me.
I personally find the 13" M1 MacBook Pro and Air prettier than the newer models. I would go as far as saying they are/were peak Apple. Sleek and minimalistic. There's just something about this new dark plastic keyboard surface and "fat" design that I find aesthetically unpleasing. Just my taste, but maybe I'm not the only one.
Yep, hate the new design - just give us the M1 Max in the old 16 inch chassis and it will sell like hotcake.
Fugly hollow empty and like any other non apple model. Zero premium feel af!
I just realised the current tech reviewers aren’t Steve Jobs or Jony Ives standards… just specs and price . Just overly 2 dimensional thinking.
I agree
Apple updated the M1 MacBook pro because it cost almost nothing more to produce. The point is not to replace existing M1 macbooks, it's just to have an updated offer for someone who wants to replace an old laptop with a new one
I love my Touch Bar. I hope they offer an M2 Max or M2 Pro version with a Touch Bar. I honestly never do any thing where I need my function keys that second for something that wasn’t already mapped to the Touch Bar.
It was probably the same in other videos, but I didn't notice till this video that right after unboxing and powering up the machine, it has a LTT account, so they had already checked it out and were unboxing it again for the video.
Eight gigs of ram in what's supposed to be one of the most premium products on the market?
Wild.
Yeah damn my phone has more RAM than that.
It's not a product to do intensive tasks on, its a product you give your Grandma for christmas. 8gb of ram is completely fine.
@@demetter7936 you give your grandma a $1299 laptop as a gift? I'll be your grandma.
@@Jaymiecain1 Not personally but that's the market. Boomers.
@@demetter7936 I'm not broke by any means but for my mother(all my grandmothers have long since passed) in her early 70's I got her a Nokia T20 Android tablet as she is use to Android on her phone, and paired it with a Logitech K480 keyboard, it's been fantastic for $180, plus the $25 I paid for a used K480, so much so I just ordered myself a Nokia T20 Tablet to replace my old ONN tablet. I just don't see the point in paying Apple prices unless you are going to be doing serious work, as even a 1/2 decent specced Android tablet can handle the daily task that most people are doing, even light to medium loads of office work with Google Docs/Sheets/etc.. as I've done with my ONN 10.1in tablet with only 3GB of RAM.
Let's not forgot about the slower storage on M2 than the M1
At first, I was a tad bit upset about having missed getting an M2 because I assumed it was better but I had already purchased my M1. Super glad I didn't get an M2 because my M1 has been GREAT.
Would you say it's still worth getting the M1 Macbook Pro (16inch) if there are rumours about the M2 coming in a few months?
@@Snoop_Dugg I have the 16 inch m1 and it’s the best laptop I’ve ever owned.. I’d still wait just in case though
I bought an M1 Air at launch a couple of years back. Being base was not a problem as I was doing mostly light office work with it, the portability was good when I travelled and the thing edge was comfortable to use. That being said, I just bought an M2 MacBook Pro, yes the Touch Bar for me makes a huge difference, the 0.3 screen difference from the m2 air was not a deal breaker as its mostly use to relocate the app menu on the top. M2 Air is thinner but I find the Touch Bar quite useful and to be was a deal breaker, the cooling system is a littler better when playing games or compigin vids. I had the option to purchase the base 14' but I severely disliked the squared design, the thickness and weight were also drawbacks as I travel constantly and the extra space taken and extra weight were an inconvenience. Overall there are still a lot of space in the market for the MacBook 13 pro,
I personally appreciate the touchbar and dont mind many of the shortcomings of the old design.
I wish they would've made the screen a little larger like the past 16in MacBook Pro by reducing those bezels to make it a 13.6in or 14in. Also a 1080p webcam should've been inserted for us remote worker. I don't like the thickness of the new MacBook Pros.
I usually love Anthony’s videos, but feel as though this was a bit pointless. When else have LTT ever done a full comparison review if a laptop and the same laptop with a spec bump? What was the point of comparing microphones, webcams and speakers in 2 essentially identical laptops? It has a faster processor. That is basically the only difference. And they are still selling this product for 2 reasons.
1. Because people still want them.
2. Because they have parts to use up.
I don’t know why Apple should get a hard time for making a computer that people want. Yes sure, people more technically literate would always go for either the air or the 14” Pro, but I know a million students/parents/grandparents who literally couldn’t care and want to buy a Pro because of the name and the history of MacBook Pro’s being great. I imagine that 90% of people buying these M2 Pros had a Pro of an older generation before.
There are plenty of reasons to give Apple crap over their decision making, but I don’t think this is one of them.
Just want to point out for Anthony, you can adjust the touch bar to always be the f row and holding fn will switch between f row and touch bar
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Do keep in mind that the ssd is also slower compared to the old mbp m1.
such a apple thing, they create something extremely useful with m1, and then release the new version without checking if its better or not, which seems to be worse tbh
Even if it wasn’t id still just get the m1. Realistically most of us won’t see much of a difference
lol
already proven by real non biased non sensational reviewers that the speed doesnt actually matter in any task, any program, any settings, except for programs designed to test ssd speeds. Anyone with a brain knows two ssd's in RAID means it's faster but that probably means you'll load into Mac OS 0.1 seconds faster or loading a program 0.00001 seconds faster ☠ the reason real world performance is the same is because of heat. You will never have the cooling capacity to cool two ssd's in a laptop to run without down clocking. The ssd does not matter people. Its not the SSD the determines how fast programs or OS loads its what the OS and programs determine. Read a book pls
@@dutyrover946 honestly as long as it loads quickly enough i don’t think many of us could give a shit about the ssd lmao
The whole model number thing doesn’t make any sense. The venerable A1278 (the non-Retina 13’’ MacBook Pro) never changed its model number throughout its insane 7-year-long production run but still underwent *significant* internal changes, to the point that the chassis are not all interchangeable and many components, such as SATA cables, aren’t, either, owing to subtle logic board layout rearrangements. You can only identify a Mac model generation by looking at its ID, i.e, the “MacBookProX,X” string, or at its SKU code on the box.
And this can actually be beneficial for procurement of the parts that *are* indeed interchangeable, and for organizing repair guides and whatnot. It’s much easier to keep track of the exceptions and order machines by year of release, than to keep track of a profusion of different model numbers. I speak from experience, as trying to buy hinges and a display back for an ASUS was an absolute nightmare, as they’d have different model numbers even based on region, just because they had a different keyboard, whereas an A1278 was *always* an A1278 for stuff such as trackpads, MagSafe connectors, fans, bottom covers, hinge covers, batteries (or at least there were just two models and are, IIRC, interchangeable), etc.
The Macbook Air is $100 less but has a worse GPU (8 vs 10), no active cooling, 10% smaller battery, half speed slower charger and a hideous notch. The Air has a better webcam and speakers and weighs 0.3 pounds less, but to me I would pick the one with a larger battery, faster charger and better sustained performance.
Exactly this
No one mentions that if you want 10 core gpu on air it becomes 200$ more than the pro
@@Juanguar No it's not. The 1499 version has a 512GB SSD. If you configure the 256 to have 10 cores, it is the same price as the pro. In fact configured the same way, they cost the same across the board. You get faster charging, newer design, larger screen, better camera and guess what you can charge it and still have two working ports. Not the case for the pro. Pro has only two advantages: cooling and battery. If you need sustained better performance where you will significantly benefit from more power, get the 14 inch. By the time you spec the 13 inch to be a decent spec with 16GB of RAM and 512GB SSD or above the gap is 300 at MSRP. And they can be had for 200 off MSRP at BestBuy already (the only US store I checked, maybe better deals are available somewhere). So just pay 100 extra and get the 14 inch that will be faster. The battery? I guess. But at the end of the day with the Air having fast charging I'd expect you to be able to charge it up pretty quick throughout the day and get more juice from it.
@@Georgekartveli Not if my budget is under $1500. I did not know about the $100 upgrade on the air to get the 10 core gpu and saw that for $20 more you can get the proper charger so that does help, but no active cooling, smaller battery and notch are still deal breakers for me. I absolutely hate the notch design on these laptops and would have rather they kept the 720p web cams (i rarely use it anyways).
The Air has a better display with 1 B colours
Apple made this MBP so that the Air looks like a better get for the price, ultimately discontinuing both M1 Air and MBP but keeping the M2 Air price moving forward.
The physical Function key is a personal choice.
Some people like touching physical keys instead of capacitative screens.
If you want it and you are paying money for it. That is reason enough, doesn't matter how wondrous touch bar is.
They should do a full keyboard like that. Just develop something nice for the feedback so that it feels more like touching actual keys. Could save some space & offer even slimmer products.
Anthony's Sponsor Highlight had me in stitches
"Your aunt drives a '67 Charger?"
"Oh. OK."
If you've got a design that works it never really becomes obsolete. I mean this in a general sense, not really about the MacBook here. The aesthetic of a device doesn't have to be redone with every release if it's abilities, both functional and aesthetic, were nailed the first time. What I'm saying is, our society seems to think that in order for something to be new and improved in the inside, it's has to look differently on the outside as well. Function ≠ cosmetics but I do understand where each are important. I can't recall the exact name for this concept, but the idea is perceived as cosmetic obsolescence.
You can make your function keys default on settings. And you can even put a Do Not Disturb button on the Touch Bar. I thought that was really cool.
They're still not haptic - its nearly Impossible to hit them without looking. Its quite an issue for programming where you press F8 to step throgh a program line by line and F7 to enter into the statement and stuff like that...
This M2 chip should have been called M1+ or S. Both Air and Pro are minor upgrades. We at least got new design for Air but that price jump isn't justified by anything we got this year. Really underwhelming.
Apple had a bunch of frames leftover from the M1 13" Macbook Pro...so they wanted to use them up. Thus, the M2 13" Macbook Pro. There is no other justification for this model.
The audio is by far not the same on those 13's.
Quick question? Why isn’t this content of the Mac channel and have Anthony as a co-host? Doesn’t it make more sense?. We need more videos on that channel.
format, I think is the issue. and also, momentum on short circuit
Because people like me who wouldnt sub for Mac specific stuff won't watch.
Short circuit is unboxing and first impressions. Mac Address has a certain polish and goes in depth of a subject concerning Apple devices.
The Mac channel doesn't do unboxing type things
The Mac Address channel has a style and unboxing and running cinebench is not that style.
7:29 I literally exhaled air sharply through my nose at this difference
Thank you, Apple, for giving me no reason to upgrade my M1.
I approve of this new (old) direction.
Hope you screw up the M2 Max too, so I can happily buy the M1 Max disconted and not miss a thing.
Discounted? From where?
@@elith6930 When the M2 Max is released the M1 Max will be discounted. That's how things are.
What nonsense is this? The M2 is not "screwed". The chip itself is great.
But the point is Apple never planned on make people upgrade from the M1. Heck that is even why they're still selling the M1 MBA.
@@Raja995mh33 Allot of companies still sell their old products after a new one comes out...
I have a (14”) MacBook Pro and I don’t think I’ll need to upgrade again until m5 or 6, definitely not every year. I mainly use it for music production and it barely can be arsed to break a sweat at almost anything I throw at it, including some relatively heavy photoshop and da Vinci stuff. I still haven’t heard its fans lol. I’m not sure why you’d need an m2 pro if you already have an m1 pro - what is it pushing up against from a performance perspective?
Apple should make the MacBook thicker for louder thicker fans and thicker heat pipes to more push more heat out. Give the m2 a redesigned taller slim heat sink give it a bezel less screen 5K standard all models.
The base models should have these specs
Before any upgrades with retaining the same price currently.
16GB memory 512Gb SSD 5K bezel less monitor for all standard models. Starting price 1299. That would be fair 🍏 🍏.
I guess I’m one of the few who like the touchbar. Once they added the physical escape button it became perfect to me.
Not a fan of the new thiccbooks with raccoon face keyboards.
i also like the touchbar. i also liked the soft keys on my programmable calculator. and i use an elegato deck, it's their for productivity nerds.
Also I don't get the "but my function keys" argument everyone seems to use. Like, does nobody realize that pressing the "fn" key in the bottom left turns the touch bar into function keys? Or that there's a toggle in the settings to make it show function keys by default, and have the "fn" key show the regular touch bar controls? Similar to how most computers with actual function keys also map them to brightness, volume, media controls, etc. with the "fn" key.
I love my function keys as well but it's not like they're missing or anything, they're just in touch screen form (which allows for a wider range of functionality like offering a volume/brightness slider instead of up/down buttons). The biggest problem with the touch bar is that it was never supported. They introduced it then never bothered to improve upon it or expand its functionality/customizability aside from shrinking it to fit the escape key back in.
You know you can customise the touch bar right? Like if you want the function row by default you can, if you want a button to mute your mic you can. The main complaint is around tactile feel and software, not versatility
Not sure why this review makes a big deal about the mic quality when the old mic quality was already best-in-class and the new mic quality advances it marginally. Sure, most Windows mics are absolute crap, but why anyone thinks that same quality would apply to a Mac laptop in 2022 is beyond me.
Buying a $1300 laptop and only getting 256gb of storage is ridiculous
Especially when it's 256 GB of slow storage. I mean technically there's a 13% bump in performance over the m1 but It requires like a 30% increase in power draw. Pretty lackluster showing from Apple even compared to their own lineup
Perfect Ending! I would also like to mention for anyone that is still looking at buying this M2 Pro, Please Please get the 512GB SSD otherwise you would honestly have been better off buying a M1 Air and it being faster. With a 512GB ssd the M2 has a tiny place in the lineup as the fastest M2 machine with the most battery even when the M2 Air arrives. Just forget the 256GB version exists.
The $400 for 512GB/16GB is expensive but def worth the investment as it will be future-proofed. It gets it close to the M1 MB Pro 14 which asks another question.
One of the most baffling products they have ever released, and so confusing since almost every other laptop they have made in that last two years has been awesome and exactly what their fans have wanted. I love my 14” MBP, but I don’t understand why they made this either.
haha it's pretty similar to all their over priced laptops. one of the main reasons I haven't bought one since college 10 years ago.
@@rudysal1429 no, that's not a fair assessment at all. Both the new 14 & 16" MBP's and the new MBA are all getting great reviews and praise, while this new M2 MBP is getting poor reviews showing it to actually be SLOWER than the M1 version. Yes their products are more expensive but no one else prioritizes design like apple does and some people care about that and are willing to pay a premium for it. Saying this is just like the others is not accurate.
@@mutedmutiny9542 paying a premium for design instead of prioritizing functionality is the main problem with their platform. Of course if you are not a power user and just need a computer to browse the web and a few other tasks than any computer will do. Might as well pay the same price for a Ferrari but with a Volkswagen engine.
@@rudysal1429 that would be a compelling argument if they really weren’t functional, but can you honestly tell me that outside of this M2 MBP, that their other machines aren’t capable of doing what their customers need them to do?
@@mutedmutiny9542 Yes, I can honestly say any machine that comes with Windows cannot do what I want a computer to do.
Didnt Apple say their SSDs were the fastest you could get in the industry?
Pretty sure i have cheap external SSDs that are faster than that.
Heck i had a sub $100 SSD that was faster than the "fast" original M1 SSD
I think the whole reason if the M2 MacBook Pro (I’ma call it M2 pro) was released was to essentially get rid of it once and for all, given the fact that the prices have risen the gap between the M1 pro chip models and the base air (M2) is a lot closer now, and for quite some time the M2 pro based laptops were starting to make less and less sense.
I think they intentionally (and hopefully) kneecapped the performance of the M2 pro to make the other products (M2 air and M1 pro/max) have a greater share and as a result more resources available for fewer products.
I’m praying for the M2 Air to not follow the pro but at this point it’s looking a lot like it
Hopefully they kneecapped it? That's such a bad take
@@xXlURMOMlXx picture it like this- why would they intentionally release the MacBook Pro in such a state, an old design, no or minor changes- it looks like a product to shift dead or old parts/stock.
I think they made the pro so bad to force people to move to more mainstream products-
1. A more expensive M1 pro MacBook Pro
2. A MacBook Air which is better in the majority of ways currently and is more mainstream.
If you think, the pro dosent make sense unless you are trying to get rid of old parts and cut off a lineup to reduce the spread of parts required.
How is it a bad take? Lack of actual criticism much?
@@3X3-n3j i don't even like Macs but hoping they kneecap something is a.dumb take why would you hope that? It's obvious they want to get rid of old stock but reusing designs year after year is apples forte idk why anyone is suprised. Iphones have been basically the same for the past 3 generations. Even the most 2 recent iPhones use the same processor. Apple is good at maintaining a walled garden ecosystem and quality, but definitely not innovation. The most innovative thing they've done since the original iPhone is add a magnet to the back of their phones lol
@@xXlURMOMlXx I’m mainly going to focus on the “kneecapping” bit.
Out of the entire MacBook range the air is the most sold followed by the M1 Pro/Max MacBooks with the M2 pro dead last. They put 1 nand chips in the M2 pro MacBook along with the outdated design to shift off any old dead stock and to reserve the 2 nand Ssds for the Air. Why? Because the air is the most sold. By me saying kneecap I’m saying they intentionally didn’t put the best available components in it. Why? Don’t really know, but one reason could be the fact that there is a global chip shortage and 1 ssd is cheaper than 2 Ssd.
Regarding design, yeah apple isn’t revolutionary in that department at all, but I appreciate when they do change the design because when they do it’s good.
Plus how have other companies innovated in the laptop/phone space recently and have made it a mainstream product. Because from my point of view apple dosent do it because there is a high risk mid reward, and it being a company which is kinda lazy until there is something obvious that’s in their reach (ARM computer chips) they won’t do it.
At this point selling anything with the butterfly keyboard is just criminal. And in about 3-4 months we'll se why at Rossman Repairs. Or not. I don't think there are many things left in the M-series macbooks that Louis can fix, it's basically just a phone: a single SoC and some support electronics for power delivery and ribbon cables to the peripherals.
it's not the butterfly keyboard; that ship has sailed for 5 years I think now
Next time you do product comparisons could you put the year of the crab rave too
These hardware features are one thing. Has anyone noticed the os is not OSX but macOS, and the lack of support for apps, even apps from the app store. Is apple going to make side loading apps on their pcs not a thing? Try opening an ebook on a fresh install, and follow the on screen messaging, not that they literally don't mention downloading an app off the internet, and only push app store apps...
I work as a software developer in a big company, my company buys us macbooks every couple of years, they would never buy a macbook air, and they are very cheap, so they always buy the cheapest possible model with half decent storage. Last year they bought the M1 macbook pro, this year they will buy the M2.
Why don't they get the air?would save them money and there are negligible performance differences in the m1 era. Although I guess it could depend on the use case but only some pretty excessive fringe use cases would you see any performance benefits on the m1 pro versus the air.
@@michaelcorcoran8768 the reason I got the M1 mbp last year instead of the air was the bit larger battery and the fan, just in case I’m doing something that requires more of the computer when in a warm place.
And I guess I’d do the same even considering the renews Air.
what a waste.
I like the old chassis better than the new one, tbh. Its surface tapers off at the edge and looks like a pillow overall, which is something I still love about my 2012 MBP 😁
well, the 13 inch m1 pro has been great for me, and for occasional lightroom and photoshop the fans do come handy more than one occasions. To me the extra performance come out of the max model only benefit people in the professional field who requires the extra gpu/cpu cores and storage space. The catch is in their use case, most would go for the much higher specs which cost significantly more than the speced out m1 pro models.
I got the base model 14 inch because I wanted 16gb of ram and 512 gb ssd, By the time I upgraded those features the leap in price to the 14" was small. The XDR display on the 14" alone is worth the difference not to mention it comes with the M1 Pro. I like that I can run some games on it, I play Tomb Raider and Firewatch on it.
@@erubielalanis6658 nice! personally I don’t play games on work laptops. For me though the 32gb ram with 2tb model makes more sense as no future upgradability in MacBooks. I have a powerful desktop, if mac is my only machine i would go this route. But everyone’s use case is different.
Did anyone notice the MKBHD cushion at the top shelf of the cupboard in the corner?
The touch bar takes a bit of work to make it functional (thanks BetterTouchTool!) but I honestly couldn't imagine my laptop without it now and I'm not looking forward to having to upgrade away from it. I really do wish that people didn't just shrug dismissively at it like it was a terrible concept - it was much more a terrible implementation from Apple that made it a base-level burden that required work to become useful.
When a feature needs extra 3rd party Applications for it to work correctly, the feature is extreme trash.
I didnt care for the touchbar and didnt use it and it would have been absolutely fine if they didnt remove the escape key. Personally I think that irritated alot of developers, they ended up bringing the physical key back again but it was already tainted by then. shame really could have been great
Many, many, people says that the bass is better in the M1... And the audio testing proves it so!
I love my M1 MBP and love the look.
lmao
@@m-stat9 what’s funny?
oh those be Dbrand's creative sponsor segments...
Being the “Apple guy” is like being the PR agent for a dictator. It’s not easy to make it not seem all effed up.
"Smells like my Aunt's car"
- Anthony 2022, MacBook Pro M2
I have an m1 and I have yet to have a single issue. It hasn't even gotten hot. It's amazing. How did all of my other laptops overheat and lag when this doesn't do any of either???
ARM chip
Definitely feels like a marketing scheme - make the 'pro' model seem worse so it seems that spending $1200 on Apple's cheapest computer, the M2 air, 'feels' worth it, when in reality, no one would ever justify a $1200 base model a few years ago.
In my opinion, the reason the M2 Pro was made to sell more M2 Airs.
Regards of it's supposed shortcomings, I would rather have a base M2 MBP over ANY Windows-based laptop
@@goobfilmcast4239 .... ok?
Considering what their phones are selling for, I don't think the Apple base model price range is the same as the overall market base model price range.
Pretty impressive cinebench score for a laptop drawing that little power, a little slower than a 10870H
Loving the wristband :)
At this point if should be obvious that they're just trying to get rid of some massive over stock of old style MacBook Pro 13 inch cases.
Aponte os getting smart. The colour is getting darker. So when you scratch it Will be more noticeable and annoying making you want to upgrade.
Well done.
I’m glad i never buy painted electronics. But i had to learn the hard way when a MacBook paint started melting due to heat on the bottom.
Lesson learned. Never again.
I have commented on so many of these MacBook Pro M2 videos just to disagree with people saying its bad! It's a awesome MacBook I love it, it's great! Great battery, great screen, great Touch Bar, great speakers. Overall it's an amazing laptop
But what does it have over the MacBook Air M2? Active cooling for the processor will make the processor faster, but unless you get the 512GB it’ll probably still be slower (for any task that uses storage) than the M1 from 2 yrs ago. So you must pay for the upgrade and you’re soon getting in MacBook Pro 14” territory.
@@mihnealazar7039 It has a great design, a Touch Bar witch I love, a much better battery so I can use it when I travel. That's why I bought one and I love it so much
@@mihnealazar7039 That effort to "make the processor faster" is a huge deal when you're dropping $2k+ on a laptop. The passive cooling in the M2 Air is bad, really bad, if you do more than light tasks or anything intensive for more than a few minutes. I bought the full 24GB, 2TB M2 Pro, it's a very fast machine and is quite slim and easy to carry around with a charger and cable. The 14" is quite a bit bigger and heavier, and even though the 14" base spec is faster than an 13" M2 Pro, it's also a good bit more expensive. You can get 24GB of ram and a 1TB SSD in an M2 Pro, and still be $100 under the price of an absolutely base spec 14".
I mean, the 14inch is just 300€ more in Europe if we account for the street price (plus you get double the storage, bigger screen, better battery, mini-LED 120hz screen, better keyboard and speakers), why would anyone pick up the new M2? It makes absolutely no sense.
Just got an M1 Pro and I love it and love the Touch Bar, coming from a 2017 Pro that I loved too but the battery is gone so oh well.
@11:12 You had an open for an awesome pun 'comparing apples to apples'.
The new macbook air better not have this lower spec SSD
I like the touch bar MacBook Pros, and would buy one had they released a decent, non-nerfed-down one
I see Anthony rockin the pride apple watch