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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 มิ.ย. 2024
- Oh oh oh! The Neptune 4 Series printers have been released and these are mighty interesting. A 225x225mm build area, Klipper firmware and a top speed of 500mm/s
The Neptune 4 and Neptune 4 Pro are available for preorder in the 3DJake shop:
⭐ Neptune 4: www.3djake.com/elegoo/neptune-4 ⭐
⭐ Neptune 4 Pro: www.3djake.com/elegoo/neptune... ⭐
00:00 Intro
00:54 Basic Specs
01:13 6 Part Cooling Fans!
03:24 Printhead, hotend and nozzles
04:29 Filament Sensor
04:45 Lights
04:52 Assembly
05:13 Strain protection and cable loom
05:29 Touchscreen
05:47 SD, USB inputs
05:54 Ethernet port
06:23 Get WIFI!
06:46 SG15 Bearings
07:41 Differences between Standard and Pro Version
08:58 Mainboard
09:17 Mystery Power out
09:34 Performance
10:05 Benchy Speed Test
11:25 Final Thoughts
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Got my pro ordered for August. My first printer, I'm excited
Ayo dude same
I'm looking at purchasing one how is it?
Mine too ❤
Worth noting that you can turn the aux fans down - "silent", "normal" and "violent". Judging by the other reviews, this one was set to the "violent" default. They are 40x20mm fans, though, so it _should_ be possible to replace them with Noctuas (especially with their new 24v adapter).
Was wondering about replacing them too. Does noctua have 40 20 blower fans or just regular? Can you replace the blower fans with regular one?
@@andrewfisher5303 - I'm not sure these are blower fans? I haven't seen inside yet, but their own site says they're 4020s, which suggests they're standard fans and the enclosure provides the ducting.
Assuming that limits your print speed, has anyone been able to check what's doable with the different fan speeds?
@digiscream - Thinking about getting the 4.....where is the fan control, physical switch on the fan or a setting in the software? Thanks.
@@beav1962its in software
Got mine preordered for July. At this price range for the Pro version, I couldn’t pass it for $299. I can’t wait. Thanks for the review!
Wish EU had july option 🥲 my 4 pro is coming in August and I can't wait
The essentials in 13 minutes.
Well done !
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L'essentiel en 16 minutes.
Bravo !
Has anyone printed ABS or ASA material on the 4 or 4 Pro? What were the nozzle & bed temp , speed, fan, and other settings? How did they print?
But for this modified nozzle, can we find easy replacement pieces?
Got my neptune 4 in UK over a week ago. This is my first 3D printer and I love it. Speeds are insane. I have cancelled today preorder of prusa MK4 due to them postponing shipment by another 2 weeks (6 weeks additional delay since preorder), still considering MK4 when they get their act together. I paid for Neptune 4 little less than 220GBP with free shipping - crazy low price.
How is the sound ?
nice review, looks like a fine printer. just one question, does it come with an accelerometer?
No it doesn't, I don't think there is a port on the mainboard for one actually. Input shaping would need to be figured out manually.
Yo tengo desplazamiento de capas. De forma continua, puede ser la SD o las bandas dentadas
I like your videos. Showing only a presliced benchy print is not enough for a review (and other prints showed for a few seconds in camera). It's only a suggestion, try to show more printed models and what are your takes (experiences) while making them, at the end, the most important thing to consider is "how good they are doing their work", right? The rest, can be found in the manufacturer's brochures.
Yea I gotta agree, I watched this video once then came back to it before buying one to see how it prints. Only having a benchy as a live print example and then two other finished ones is a bit of a small sample size.
Maybe some stress testing footage of doing some difficult prints super fast would be good.
Yeah I really want to do a lot more examples next time
I'm new to 3d printing, would you recommend the kobra 2, or the neptune 4pro? both seem good imo
Neptune 4 definitely, it has twice the speed and twice the acceleration and a really nice user interface.
Will you be doing a review of the plus and max? bought all my equipment from yourselves so far and tempted to put an order in for one of them next!
Yeah I think we will, they look very cool
I'd love an Elegoo Neptune 4 Pro that has a 300 mm cube build volume. I can think of a few other improvements such as WiFi and a 4 wire CANbus cable to the extruder instead of a floppy ribbon cable, and force sensor for auto bed leveling and Z offset. I was leaning toward a Creality K1 Max to print ABS but I like the lower cost and easier maintenance on an open architecture bed slinger. Maybe I should convert my ABS parts to PETG and stick with a new and improved Klipper bed slinger with higher print quality, better part cooling and a bit faster printing although I'm more concerned with print quality.
I decided to stop waiting on the next big thing because something better is always on the horizon. I bought a Neptune 4 Pro. It hasn't shipped yet but I'm looking forward to my first Klipper 3D printer.
I just bought an Anycubic Kobra 2 and it is an upgrade over my last slinger. Despite the auto leveling on it, I think I might sell it and buy this Neptune 4. It just needs auto bed leveling and it will be perfect.
If I'm not mistaken, the bed is auto levelling plus auxillary levelling, the base neptune 3 seemed to be touch and go with the auto levelling and without the auxillary knobs I imagine it was frustrating, doesn't surprise me that they added them for the 4.
Is it easy to change filaments while printing? Like the run-out? Thanks. great video.
Yeah very easy, for an endstop switch style sensor it is very fluid.
But if you want to do colour swaps while printing and you got the printer soon after it was released the M600 command is disabled, you need to update the firmware. Current versions should be totally fine.
@@3DJake_Official Okay Thanks Much. Just bought it and it will be here Friday
@@ChinaAl Nice! Enjoy!
Is the 24V power Outlet on both printers? Or only on the non-pro?
just the non pro, the pro has it covered up
Sorry if you’ve already answered this question in the comments but which is better between the N4-Pro and the N4-Standard? I was initially inclined to go for the Pro but I read some reviews where the standard had a better score overall. Thanks in advance!
So after multiple months of using both printers I see zero difference in terms of quality. The only reason I would choose the Pro is if I was concerned about the power usage
@@3DJake_Official Interesting, thanks for your reply. Doesn’t the Pro use more energy because it has dual bed heating where as the standard version is singular? I’ll have a look into the power consumption 👍🏼
@@david_wright It would use less if the part you are printing is small, it would only use a portion of the bed and less heating cycles.
@@3DJake_Official Ah got ya! That makes sense. Cheers mate 😃 useful to know
Can you print TPU 85A without any modifications with the Neptune 4 standard or pro?
That should be fine as long as you print slow.
Which video do you refer to for wifi setting ? thanks
this one: th-cam.com/video/wXD3EmKy3J4/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=MandicReally :)
I also have the printer and am happy with it so far. However, 3DJake probably sent me a used printer at full price. A large part of the printing plate was full of glue, the test filament was only a few cm left and there was no protective film left on the display. Don't think it's too common from testing at work. I've had enough bad experiences with used items
You should send it back
@@mickleblade @theEndsieg Yeah you should contact our customer support about that and send photos showing what you received and if possible the box it came in.
Great video 3DJake. I wonder what the meaning of life is?
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How i put wifi? Can anyonw share the link
Can the filament spool be mounted on the side? I'm restricted by the height of the machine.
with it's current design no not really :(
but other designs would fit, the frame is made of extruded profiles so screws and t-nuts will fit
cant wait for mine to be delivered. I will check what fans it uses, and if possible replace with noctuas right away
They're all radial fans though, you'll need to do some modelling to replace those with Noctua Axial fans.
I got my 4 pro on pre order hoping to get it next month..any one plan on using prusaslicer for this printer? I am new to printing and having a hard time find and prusa profile for the neptune 4 pro
I would love that but haven't seen any profiles yet :/
@3DJake_Official I'm sure eventually someone will make one...completely over my head to make one from scratch..Hopefully more people start getting their hands on them I'd really like to get a hardened nozzle for mine ..elegoo never really answered my question if they were gonna offer that though
It shouldn't be too hard to make a profile in Prusa slicer as it has many of the same settings as Cura (sometimes with differant names). Just open the Cura profile in Cura and manually put the settings in Prusa slicer. That should be a great starting point. That's all I can recommend if you don't want to wait for someone to make a profile. Good luck I hope you get it, and welcome to 3d printing!
@westinspace9286 yeah I get just transfer over most of the settings wouldn't be to bad I just wast sure how like input shaping and things like that would work ..like if that part of the slicing feature
@@whitetailtherapy7908 that Is part of the firmware and won't effect the slicer as long as you make sure to disable acceleration control and that minimum layer time is not too high in the slicer and let the firmware handle it. I'm probably not the best person to give advice on that though as the Neptune 4 will be my first printer with input shaper. I mean other than in the Matlin update but I never calibrated my printers for it.
I bought EcoPLA from you guys along with a Neptune 4 Pro and the PLA did not perform well. As soon as I tried a different brand, the quality of my prints increased exponentially.
sorry to hear about that, can you contact our support team at global@3djake.com. If there was a problem with the filament they can arrange a replacement :)
Great video and it looks amazing. With i be able to run it with a raspberry pi 400 keyboard
how about the quality in 250mm/s compared to the 100mm/s Kobra2?
Tough call, not a big difference, I would definitely favour the Neptune 4 over the Kobra 2.
What kind of nozzles are they?
little shorter volcano, elegoo says they will sell 2 custom nozzles after release, i prefer buy volcanos and cut them to fit.
I have a question which I haven't been able to get an answer to even on Elegoo's official site . What is the acceleration of the Neptune 4 and 4 pro ? This is an important one as if the acceleration is slow its not going to be able to get up to its top speed in a lot of prints . It's great it can do a benchy in 19 min ( wasn't 18 as it was 18.55 ) but so can some other printers if the layer height is set at .25 or .28mm . The true test is how quick can it print a .2mm layer Benchy plus what is its acceleration? Its almost certain that the printer rarely reached 250mm/s doing the benchy as is too small a print to be able to get up to that speed; this is where the acceleration comes into play . I am not saying its a bad machine by any means but its hard to compare if you don't know all the specs of a machine. I know the Anycubic Kobra 2 acceleration is around 2500-3000mm . The X1 Carbon from memory is 20000mm. So naturally if you put the 2 side by side the X1 should print similar prints quicker than the Kobra 2 even if they are printing at the same print speed cause the X1 can get up to that speed quicker. I know this is obvious stuff but is handy to know if your trying to compare printers in the same price range. Yes , I know the X1 is more expensive ; I was just using it as an example on acceleration speeds. So back to my question; what acceleration does the Elegoo Neptune 4 pro do ??
Good question. It is definitely way lower than the X1C, I asked Elegoo, let's see what they say.
@@3DJake_Official
Thank you for doing that .
5000mm/s3......I think the X1C wins on acceleration.
@@3DJake_Official
Thank you for getting back to me with those figures. That figure also places the Neptune 4 pro ahead on acceleration against the Kobra 2 plus the Neptune has klipper. It's definitely getting interesting this year with these new fast printers emerging!
i hear people say the Neptune 4 Pro are not in alignment even after calibration, if you print a cylinder and measure it. Its not round as it should be, its off but about 2%. have you noticed anything like that ?
Hmm I just did a test print of a 25mm cylinder and the worst tolerance was 0.96% off.
@@3DJake_Official ruffly 1% that can pose an issue if you go for tight tolerance. I guess
So when a spool gives you 60mm print speed does this not matter if you up the temperature for example?
It would really only make sense if you're printing large layer heights or with a large nozzle.
@@3DJake_Official ok just if I got this printer I'd want to maximise my print speeds lol
@@1937Brett We have been printing at 300mm/s with standard PLA settings, no change to temperature necessary.
@@3DJake_Official ok brilliant thanks for the tips
i wouldn't be surprised if the DC output was intended for something like a laser diode or a small spindle.
Can we expect Plus and Max model soon?
Pretty sure a Plus is in the works, not so sure about a max though
I'd love an Elegoo Neptune 4 Pro that has a 300 mm cube build volume. I can think of a few other improvements such as WiFi and a 4 wire CANbus cable to the extruder instead of a floppy ribbon cable, and force sensor for auto bed leveling and Z offset.
It seems that every fast 3D printer this year has its own high flow nozzle that is almost a Volcano but isn't. We already had a good standard in the Volcano and nozzles of all diameters were already readily available, including hardened steel versions for abrasive materials. Why did every manufacturer create a new proprietary nozzle for each new printer?
This is something I am really disappointed about and I really don't see it changing. You can get a volcano nozzle anywhere but you can only get a proprietary nozzle from the manufacturer :(
@@3DJake_Official - Give it a few months and Micro Swiss will make nozzles for all of these proprietary nozzle designs, so there really wasn't much point in every manufacturer making a proprietary design. On the low end, there will be no name generic nozzles on Amazon for all of these printers, too. It takes 20 minutes to change an existing nozzle CNC file. It's just stupid.
Its 320 € not 362 €, or do i get something wrong?
Nice vid, will order one soon ;-)
The Pro is €362 (actually €363 now). You might be looking at the non-pro
What is the orange boat called?? 10:43
That would be the Cthulhu Demon Ship: www.thingiverse.com/thing:6186180
Whats the difference between the pro and non pro variant?
Pro has steel rollers instead of plastic V rollers, and Pro has a split heat bed so small prints only need to heat the center of the bed to use less electricity and produce less heat in your office.
I think another con could be the use of non standard nozzles. But overall the machine looks so good!
Yeah that is up there, pity especially when you have an all metal hotend but can't use a lot of those filaments because of it.
@@3DJake_Official I have had a look on your store and I couldn't find the nozzles for the Neptune 4, is there any plan to stock them in future or will we just have to buy from Elegoo directly
Does this printer work with MAC OSX?
You can get different slicers for this printer - both Cura and Prusa slicer are compatible with MAC OS
Hi thanks!@@3DJake_Official
What I still want is the possibility to control via phone. See a video what is currently happening with the possibility to stop the print. EVEN when i am not in the same WiFi Network. So when I am grocery shpping (for example). This is important for bigger prints which are aking very long.
Can you do the 500mms on the non pro version I ordered the standard I couldn't afford the pro
Kobra 2 pro vs neptune 4 pro which better?
I prefer the Neptune 4, its a lot more versatile.
@@3DJake_Official what 3d printer do you recommend under $375? Do you sell printers in Poland?
@@bluekblueczek886 besides the neptune 4, the Ankermake M5C and Creality Ender 3 V3 KE would be good choices. Yes we deliver to Poland :)
10:26 Don't get me wrong that's a fast print but don't you think 18.55 is way closer to being 19min than 18min
Actually recorded the timelapse last and the slicer said 18 minutes but the print took a bit longer, didn't seem that necessary to correct it.
@@3DJake_Official It wasn't, I seen other reviewers state the 18 but then their print took over 20 either way it's pretty quick
Only thing holding me back from ordering one of these is I've seen a reviewer say he's had 2 different review units and the x/y axis was off square on each one, Is this something you have seen / tested for? th-cam.com/video/-rlOoGLZdoo/w-d-xo.html
The manufacturer seems to have chosen the marketing path for this model.
Adjusting the table is good.
A disposable heavy extruder is bad. Namely, the manufacturer made it disposable in pursuit of relief (unsuccessful, but more on that in the end). Gears are now original and unassembled, and it is impossible to buy them even in the official store)) The quality of the gears is not very good and, of course, they are NOT hot (like steel, not magnetic, it looks like stainless steel), so do not try to print composites.
At the same time, the plate of the table carriage remained steel (aluminum would be 20 grams lighter and not worse).
The nozzle heater is now also rare, in size 16*15*20 mm. So I still have to look for replacement socks. And the native sock crumbles after two weeks of work at 255 degrees.
The LED on the extruder is cool, but I feel it will die because of working in extreme thermal mode.
For the same reason, the inductive sensor of the auto-level of the table will also die. On Neptune 3, the same one died after several heats of the table to 85 degrees (the printer is in a passive thermal chamber). If you plan to print petg and abs, then buy a pair of spare NPN NC type. Do not try to find the original ones, they, like the gears, are also not in this store or in others))))
The nozzle radiator fan is now 3010 (instead of 4015), works at much higher speeds and will die sooner. Fortunately, if you file everything superfluous in the extruder, you can find a place for the cooler 4015.
Super blowing is not needed, because there is no question about the quality of printing at the stated speeds, so we have 4 unnecessary 4020 snails.
And I also decided to weigh the extruder assembly ... (in the advertising picture, the seller boasts of the extruder's weight of 291 grams, which is like a hundred grams less than Neptune3). And so. The extruder assembly actually weighs (!) 472 grams!
In general, there will be no long-term high-quality work at the maximum declared temperature characteristics, there is also no need to wait for speeds, and it is better to buy Neptune3, which is much cheaper and more maintainable.
The practical printing turned out to be somewhat better than I expected. The quality begins to be noticeably lost at speeds as much as 100 mm / s, which is very decent, despite all the jambs. The list of which I will probably continue.
The z-axis guides moving along the screw axes have a backlash of 2 millimeters. It must be eliminated, while avoiding the rigid attachment of these guides.
The system loads from 30 seconds to 3 minutes. The screen freezes very often when the buttons are pressed (usually for a couple of seconds, but sometimes up to 10 seconds). Occasionally, after pressing the buttons, the required action does not occur. It is impossible to press several different buttons in quick succession.
There is no menu for setting jerks and accelerations, and what the manufacturer has screwed up by default, it's scary to think, given what he "calculated and projected" print speeds. We'll have to manage this from the slicer.
An adjustable table is probably a good thing. but.
1. Two-stage calibration of the table at 121 points is too long, namely 10 minutes from start to restart to save the parameters (without a final reboot, the table map is not saved). About half a minute of this time is spent by the printer on unnecessary trips from the zero position to the same zero position. By the way, before printing, the printer also goes home twice for some reason.
2. the alignment interface is made completely incomprehensible. Visualized is not a logically obvious square of 11 × 11 points, but an incomprehensible rectangle of 6 × 11 points. the zero count on the z axis does not come from any particular angle and/or level, but floats all the time according to an incomprehensible algorithm and it takes a crazy amount of time to truly align the table! The first time it took me 5 hours of almost continuous attempts, the second time a few days later I managed in 3 hours. This is a procedure that should take 15 minutes! moreover, I understood the process of achieving the result very vaguely and, even having achieved success, I cannot explain it (which means I cannot repeat it quickly).
It was only possible to understand that you need to turn in the corners where the value is minus counterclockwise, and where the value is positive - clockwise, but only in one corner and a little bit.
By the way, the Z-offset is reset when calibrating the table and needs to be reconfigured too.
3. The heating of the table and the extruder has really become more efficient. However:
If you change the calibration temperatures of the nozzle and table through the standard settings, then instead of calibration, the printer hangs tightly after heating.
The settings of the preparatory temperatures of the table and the nozzle for the accelerated start of printing do not work here at all, since if you turn on the preheating of the table and the nozzle, then before printing the printer to turn on the heating of the table to the operating temperature... Attention!.. It will wait for the nozzle to cool down to 120 degrees))))
In general, compared to neptune3 pro, very ambivalent impressions. However, the disappointment from the shortcomings is gradually compensated by the fact that in fact the neptune 4 is about 1.5 times faster than the neptune 3 pro with the same print quality.
@@dots2394 I love it, when people tell the truth instead of: "Hey there! Nice review this printer looks wonderfull". Sometimes i have the feelings that they are just bought or dont want to think, cant decide in that point. What I know is that 3DJake is bought and they try to sell printer as high speed ones while they wont even reach that most of the time.
@dots2394 which printer would you recommend? Have you checked out the sidewinder x3 Pro?
@@dots2394 Seems like you know a lot about 3D printing! Which one would you recommend to a first-3D-printer buyer: Neptune 4, Neptune 4 pro or Ender 3 v3 SE?
Say bed slinger again.
Bed Slinger Bed Slinger Bed Slinger . 😂
sed blinger
Say bed slinger again
I am an IT professional and I get tired of you and other reviewers complaining about the printer not having WIFI. WIFI sucks compared to hard wired ethernet. Just plug in the ethernet jack and get to work.
"Expect to under perform because its a bed Slinger " Really ?
Very loud at 88db
On its "Violent" settings yes, it is, but you can turn it down. I would suggest only using that setting for the highest speed on smaller PLA prints.
This or the kobra 2 pro
Tough call. Depends on what you're printing because the Kobra 2 Pro has a PTFE hotend so no high temp filaments. The Neptune 4 and Pro both have 300C hotends and also way better cooling but are not as fast as the Kobra 2 Pro. Neptune 4 has only 5K mm/s2 acceleration but the Kobra 2 Pro has 20K. It can print a lot faster...hmnm yeah tough call.
@3DJake_Official I'm actually looking at the plus models I think the n4plus has 12000 acceleration vs the kobra 2 plus 10000 would I be right in that
@@davidmulhall3187 Yeah that's right, a difference of 2K acceleration is actually not that much in practice so again we come to the hotend issue. I would be more in favour of the Neptune 4 Plus because of that.
@3DJake_Official think I'm looking more towards the n4plus hearing alot of problems about the kobra 2 on there reddit page when do you think stock will be available will be ordering off you
@@davidmulhall3187 We're due a delivery of the N4Plus today actually. The Kobra 2 Plus delivery is due next Wednesday
"PromoSM" 😭
Yes, the device is great - I have it too. But the moderator is a bad talker. Does he take drugs? It is not a good idea for Elegoo to use this video.
I just received the N4Max and it's insane huge and insane fast! Build area is 420*420*480 and still running at 500 mm/s