That's such a hard one. The Used was my favorite band in Jr high, I was raised Mormon and rebelled against it in my teenage years. Taking Back Sunday is really good, A Decade Under the Influence is so fucking great. The Used were from Orem Utah so they didn't get to grow in a scene that supported them as much. With my personal connection to the Used I just like them so much more. My first tattoo was actually the heart hanging from a noose from the In Love and Death album cover
It definitely is! I’m still kicking myself for not seeing their first tour with Finch. I wish Bert never blew out his vocals & could still sing self titled & In Love & Death properly.
@@gasmaskestore8018 i just don't understand how a Victory Records album held more "hits" than a major label Warner/Reprise album with huge monetary backing 🤣
like TAYF has amateur production with a bad high-pitched CRT-tone on every single one of Adam's vocal tracks (John's are untouched by this problem tho) while Warner literally paid out the ass for The Used to fly out to London to record a real live string section for three songs lol
Man. When I was 15 - tell all your friends from Taking Bsck Sunday came out. And I had just started dabbling in post hardcore and came across this. And I swear I listened to that album on repeat every day to and from summer school that year, and causs my first gf fucked my friend and we broke up, it was like an amazing guilty pleasure that my Metal friends just COULD NOT know about 😂 And every day I’d emo it up in my car Screaming all the harmonies.
Was gonna say the same, I think Full Collapse from Thursday and Bleed American by Jimmy Eat World was what caused the massive onslaught of ‘MTV EMO’ (I do like those two albums btw haha) after 2001 everything slowly became flooded IMO
toured with the used as a guitar tech 2002. it was my first job after i was discharged from the Army. it was surreal. i went from afghanistan to ozzfest seemingly overnight. while it’s debatable what genre they were, what’s not debated is that they didn’t belong on that tour and were only there cuz jack/kelly liked the band. fun fact: most bands on Ozzfest pay to play. the used did not pay and there was some resentment and sabotage. i eventually got fired as they didn’t play very well live and needed someone to blame…
Controversial topic. I agree with that point of view. But here in my country, The Used was much bigger around 2009, which led a lot of people to know the various waves of emo
TBS had 2, and one of them came out 2 years before the used first big radio single. The question was who made emo mainstream, not who had more mainstream singles. TBS opened the door for bands like the used and even MCR to really get serious radio play. CWt”E” was two years before All That I’ve Got, which is their first big radio single to my knowledge (I don’t remember hearing the taste of ink on the radio much back then at all). MakeDamnSure (TBS’s biggest radio hit) came out earlier that year that All That I’ve got came out. TBS made emo mainstream, the used and MCR went through that door and became bigger bands bc of it, tho.
I saw tbs in a small venue in Philly when tell all your friends came out. One of the best shows I have ever been too. Just a good time.i also saw the used at the first taste of chaos they were also good but that small show with tbs was amazing
@@gasmaskestore8018 bro what are talking about? tell all your friends was out the same time mcr came out with bullets idk what successful is to you but it's a pretty big album I'd say
TBS is the band that got me into Emo in 2020. Yes, years after they were making their way on to the scene and long after Emo was super popular, there I was, a lifelong musician , at 39 years old and I found a guitar vid of a dude showing off his avorite Midwest Emo licks and I immediately started digging through a genre I thought I always hated. A genre I despised in my early and mid 20s. Instead, I found what is now one of my absolute fav genres. When I listened to A Decade Under the Influence for the first time , I could not believe what I was missing all these years. Going to see TBS in August. I am absolutely stoked about it. The USED are OK. I just don't feel their stuff like I do TBS. No offense to their fans though.
all valid, but Finn did say “mainstream”. yeah Jimmy Eat World were pretty big, and had a few radio hits under their belt. but Taking Back Sunday was *massive* in the scene. first 3 albums all back to back to back classic. they’ve got a huge crossover of fans in both poppier and heavier music styles.
I love the used.. big part of my childhood.. but there was other bands that paved the way before the used. The used came out in 2001... What about underoath? Or Silverstein? Senses fail?
This is just like the debate over what is "real" metalcore. Is it something like Starkweather? Killswitch Engage? Or Asking Alexandria? Depends on who you ask.
@@FaithFallRepentGraceRepeat Yeah, and that's just as valid an opinion as my Ringworm and Converge, or my friend's As I Lay Dying and Parkway Drive. Point is, there's no point. It's about the music, not being scientifically accurate.
@@M4RCi92 There ironically is no right answer. The best part about the debate is that there are plenty of worthy contenders/musicians for that elusive/debatable “title”.
"Real Metalcore" only consists of the Belgian H8000 metallic hardcore scene and the late 90s edge metal scene. What is known by "scenecore" is nothing more than alternative rock with questionable metalcore influence. When people try to argue that bands like blessthefall are not real metalcore, while saying that Killswitch Engage are, I can't help not to cringe because they are just as fake metalcore as btf (plus the butt rock vocals). Real metalcore sounds ENERGETIC, POWERFUL, and somewhat HATEFUL. Fake metalcore is weak, self-pity and a failed attempt to direct energy and emotion into music. Some examples of REAL METALCORE are Congress, Morning Again, Eighteen Visions (the only real metalcore band from the scenecore scene), and Skycamefalling. Some examples of FAKE METALCORE are As I Lay Dying, Bullet for My Valentine, and Architects METALCORE BELONGS TO HARDCORE NOT TO METAL, POST HARDCORE, ALT ROCK OR ANY OTHER MAINSTREAM GENRE
The used had MTV hits while taking back Sunday was on mtv2 which was a big thing back then as cringe as that is. I would say the used got more normies into “emo” then they all listened to taking back sunday, which hey good for them I suppose
Taking Back Sunday, for sure. However, is that a pat on the back? Is that some sort of badge of honor? The first time I saw The Used were on their very first US tour opening for Goldfinger. Next time I saw them, they were on Ozzfest with a shit ton of metal bands. I know they finally found their niche after a few tours but at least they were out there exploring. Taking Back Sunday just went directly to crying teenage chicks and guys that had no self-esteem.
Mayday parade is the goat, maybe MCR Even though they don't consider themselves to be emo, I'd put Silverstein way over TBS too, Shane sounds amazing at 40
TBS however....The Get Up Kids are the best second wave emo band ever. A lot of bands owe their entire sound to The Get Up Kids. if you're 15-19 years old and you want to get fuckin depressed, listen to the album "Something To Write Home About" by TGUK.
15 yo, a coworker had a gf that said MCR helped her get bummed out about life, but that she needed to get that way to feel right. Not better but right. I never understand how or why that is though. Music should make one happy I thought...
Toxic positivity is awesome. Every song on that albumn is just awesome, listen to the whole thing! The Used isn't emo. And its still my favorite band to this day. They had some emo songs but no... there not emo. I dont even consider tbs emo either. There amazing as well and there last album was amazing as well.
Neither of these bands were all that popular when Emo was starting up. I would say that The Get Up Kids would be the closest thing to a founding band of Emo.
Taking Back Sunday had really good early marketing with their "beef" with Brand New. It got a lot of people invested in the band personally and their aint no better marketing than teenagers (especially teenage girls) having parasocial relationships with cute emo guys
"Real Emo" only consists of the dc Emotional Hardcore scene and the late 90's Screamo scene. What is known by "Midwest Emo" is nothing but Alternative Rock with questionable real emo influence. When people try to argue that bands like My Chemical Romance are not real emo, while saying that Sunny Day Real Estate is, I can't help not to cringe because they are just as fake emo as My Chemical Romance (plus the pretentiousness). Real emo sounds ENERGETIC, POWERFUL and somewhat HATEFUL. Fake emo is weak, self pity and a failed attempt to direct energy and emotion into music. Some examples of REAL EMO are Pg 99, Rites of Spring, Cap n Jazz (the only real emo band from the midwest scene) and Loma Prieta. Some examples of FAKE EMO are American Football, My Chemical Romance and Mineral EMO BELONGS TO HARDCORE NOT TO INDIE, POP PUNK, ALT ROCK OR ANY OTHER MAINSTREAM GENRE
There is no TBS album that could even be close to the first album released by The Used in which they opened with the song called "Maybe memories. Without going into the evaluation of "A box full of sharp objects". Cute with out the E.... Sorry but sounds like Millencolin, I love Millencolin...but nothing new here.
I get why it has to be edited like that -- even at this choppy it's over the sweet-spot 30 second mark, -- but man this edit is very hard to listen to.
I don’t think really of them are real emo. Like the Get Up Kids or Dashboard, that’s real emo. If you listened to them you’d know the difference. They’re definitely boarder line
I domt care what music someonw calls "emo" because its just too complicated to explain all that and they probably will ignore everything i said AS LONG AS ITS ROCK music. If its like "oh youre wearing black? Youre emo!!" Then i will say emo is music related and doesnt have much to do with whatever you think is emo
i dont think Taking Back Sunday really started getting BIG big (like mainstream attention) until Where You Want to Be. like i always thought The Used blew up on a national level first. to be fair tho, you lived thru all of this and i was only a toddler while it was all happening so you probably know more about it than i do just based on experience alone.
TBS had their first hit single 2 years before the used first big radio single. TBS opened the door for bands like the used and even MCR to really get serious radio play. CWt”E” was two years before All That I’ve Got, which is their first big radio single to my knowledge (I don’t remember hearing the taste of ink on the radio much back then at all). MakeDamnSure (TBS’s biggest radio hit) came out earlier that year that All That I’ve got came out. TBS made emo mainstream, the used and MCR went through that door and became bigger bands bc of it, tho. Edit: source-I too lived thru it.
@@WinedandDined27 you got the release timeframe for MakeDamnSure wrong. MakeDamnSure was 2006. All That I've Got was 2004. Cute Without the E was 2002 for sure tho, and you're probably right about everything else. allow me to spin a Gen Z retroactive perspective on things really quickly though. yeah, sure, Taking Back Sunday were the first actual emo band to become mainstream, but I don't think emo could have become mainstream at all if it wasn't for pop-punk's popularity in the late 90s and early 00s. blink-182 especially influenced the sound of a LOT of those emo bands even tho blink were technically never an emo band. so i think blink-182 made it possible for Taking Back Sunday and Thursday to get big, which in turn allowed bands like The Used, MCR, Hawthorne Heights, Silverstein, Senses Fail, etc, to get big. that's just my stupid little gen z perspective tho and i bet you're probably gonna gatekeep the shit out of me for it but alas, here we are.
@@caifabe8050 shit, you’re right haha. I got where you want to be and louder now mixed up as far as release dates. Good catch. My point still stands tho. And I absolutely agree with you about blink being the door opener for all of those bands. I think you’re spot on with that. Shit, I Miss You hitting the radio in 2003 was such a game changer. That was REALLY when you started to hear the used and the like get radio play. But, as you said, blink is decidedly pop punk and not emo, so TBS has to be the band who gets the title of “first mainstream emo band”. But, gun to my head, I Miss You probably broke that sound truly into the top of the billboard type level. That whole self titled album is more post-hardcore than pop punk, actually. It’s basically a post hardcore album straight up, but blink is still the quintessential pop punk band.
Let me guess. Fin hates them both and thinks all of their fans are cringe and then will rant about it in multiple videos and then wonder why no one likes him.
Taking back Sunday is the absolute worst live performance I have ever seen in my entire life and that includes drunk people singing karaoke. Adam is an absolute disgrace, the fact that he can charge people what they charge people for his shows that they headline is criminal. I left after the first song and there were dozens of other people leaving with us. By the time I got my vehicle out of valet, they were a ton of people leaving. Go on TH-cam and listen to live performances the last few years. You might as well be listening to Joe exotic drunk singing karaoke
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TBS, Dashboard and Jimmy Eat World were the holy trinity of 3rd wave.
Further Seems Forever - Vengeance Factor was an early emo masterpiece
That's such a hard one. The Used was my favorite band in Jr high, I was raised Mormon and rebelled against it in my teenage years. Taking Back Sunday is really good, A Decade Under the Influence is so fucking great. The Used were from Orem Utah so they didn't get to grow in a scene that supported them as much. With my personal connection to the Used I just like them so much more. My first tattoo was actually the heart hanging from a noose from the In Love and Death album cover
The Used holds such a special place in my heart
Taking back Sunday was so legitimate and authentic feeling - the used always seemed like they were trying so hard.
The Used have more hits early in their career. That first album is flawless from front to back
It definitely is! I’m still kicking myself for not seeing their first tour with Finch. I wish Bert never blew out his vocals & could still sing self titled & In Love & Death properly.
I love The Used but TBS made millions overnight with their 1st record, Cute and Youre so Last Summer were bigger hits
@@gasmaskestore8018 i just don't understand how a Victory Records album held more "hits" than a major label Warner/Reprise album with huge monetary backing 🤣
like TAYF has amateur production with a bad high-pitched CRT-tone on every single one of Adam's vocal tracks (John's are untouched by this problem tho) while Warner literally paid out the ass for The Used to fly out to London to record a real live string section for three songs lol
@@caifabe8050 the 1st album of The Used came out on Reprise bro...
TBS are true to emo roots. The Used is just Post Hardcore.
The used is just dark pop-punk. It's like pop-screamo
@@redhouse3994call it post hardcore man ull be ok
@@redhouse3994dark pop punk? Did you just invent a whole genre? What lol.
@@christianm1989 pop punk with a dark aesthetic and emo subject matter lol
The Used have like 3 songs that are Post-Hardcore. The rest are Pop Punk, Emo or Screamo.
Taking Back Sunday!!! 🤘🤘
Man. When I was 15 - tell all your friends from Taking Bsck Sunday came out. And I had just started dabbling in post hardcore and came across this.
And I swear I listened to that album on repeat every day to and from summer school that year, and causs my first gf fucked my friend and we broke up, it was like an amazing guilty pleasure that my Metal friends just COULD NOT know about 😂
And every day I’d emo it up in my car
Screaming all the harmonies.
Dude this story is fuckin gold. We all have this type of unique experience with this album. We emo'd until our voices gave out. 😎 so cathartic!
The used had the mainstream emo look. Pretty iconic. Every time I see a video of Taking Back Sunday playing it reminds me of that hinder video. :,(
Taking Back Sunday was bigger before the used came on the scene
what a goated clip, i'm just sitting here letting it loop!
That was 2002. In 2001 you had Thursday and Jimmy Eat World (you just cowered them)
Was gonna say the same, I think Full Collapse from Thursday and Bleed American by Jimmy Eat World was what caused the massive onslaught of ‘MTV EMO’ (I do like those two albums btw haha) after 2001 everything slowly became flooded IMO
I like the Used more but I'd consider them more post hardcore.
That edit though..
The answer is Thursday.
toured with the used as a guitar tech 2002. it was my first job after i was discharged from the Army. it was surreal. i went from afghanistan to ozzfest seemingly overnight. while it’s debatable what genre they were, what’s not debated is that they didn’t belong on that tour and were only there cuz jack/kelly liked the band. fun fact: most bands on Ozzfest pay to play. the used did not pay and there was some resentment and sabotage. i eventually got fired as they didn’t play very well live and needed someone to blame…
Controversial topic.
I agree with that point of view.
But here in my country, The Used was much bigger around 2009, which led a lot of people to know the various waves of emo
I was in high school at the time they both got big. I can tell you Taking Back Sunday was way more popular then used.
It was definitely Taking Back Sunday, they were the approachable and actually talented group.
The Used, WITHOUT question. They had several songs that had radio play. TBS only had one.
TBS had 2, and one of them came out 2 years before the used first big radio single. The question was who made emo mainstream, not who had more mainstream singles. TBS opened the door for bands like the used and even MCR to really get serious radio play. CWt”E” was two years before All That I’ve Got, which is their first big radio single to my knowledge (I don’t remember hearing the taste of ink on the radio much back then at all). MakeDamnSure (TBS’s biggest radio hit) came out earlier that year that All That I’ve got came out. TBS made emo mainstream, the used and MCR went through that door and became bigger bands bc of it, tho.
I love them both but I knew about The Used way b4 Taking Back Sunday.
Yeah dashboard and tbc are the two bands I think of when I hear emo, the used were heavier so I just called it screamo.
Real is a funny word, but I def think I gotta give the love to The Used, even though I like TBS better.
Is The THE, that is spelled correctly, an emo or a punk band? Seen sealed cds, but never heard em.
I saw tbs in a small venue in Philly when tell all your friends came out. One of the best shows I have ever been too. Just a good time.i also saw the used at the first taste of chaos they were also good but that small show with tbs was amazing
Brand new
Taking back Sunday musically. But I think the used got more commercial exposure being on the Osbornes and touring with Mcr.
MCR wasnt even around when TBS had a succesful album out
@@gasmaskestore8018 bro what are talking about? tell all your friends was out the same time mcr came out with bullets idk what successful is to you but it's a pretty big album I'd say
@@briandelgado4985 MCR were nobodies until 3 cheers, TBS were successful from the get go
@@gasmaskestore8018 dude what are you even trying to argue about? Nothing your saying has nothing to do with what the fuck I Said
@@briandelgado4985 i didnt pay much attention to what you wrote, honestly I just like arguing with strangers on the Internet
As someone born and raised in Utah, this is an easy choice
I gotta give it to the used because they toured with some big names and were also on TV when Bert was dating ozzys daughter
the used because of that snare tone!
TBS is the band that got me into Emo in 2020. Yes, years after they were making their way on to the scene and long after Emo was super popular, there I was, a lifelong musician , at 39 years old and I found a guitar vid of a dude showing off his avorite Midwest Emo licks and I immediately started digging through a genre I thought I always hated. A genre I despised in my early and mid 20s. Instead, I found what is now one of my absolute fav genres. When I listened to A Decade Under the Influence for the first time , I could not believe what I was missing all these years. Going to see TBS in August. I am absolutely stoked about it. The USED are OK. I just don't feel their stuff like I do TBS. No offense to their fans though.
I was kinda hoping Smashing Pumpkins would have been on this list. Billy Corgan is a true legend
I had to make damn sure, you said the right band out of the two 😅
Saves the Day.
Taking back Sunday>The Used
I like the used also tho but cmon let’s be real , they not better than taking back Sunday
Fascinating
Taking back Sunday themselves have said they are not emo
You are damned right.
The Get Up Kids and Saves the Day would like a word.
I would add Jimmy Eat World to that list as well
all valid, but Finn did say “mainstream”. yeah Jimmy Eat World were pretty big, and had a few radio hits under their belt. but Taking Back Sunday was *massive* in the scene. first 3 albums all back to back to back classic. they’ve got a huge crossover of fans in both poppier and heavier music styles.
I think My Chemical Romance
I love the used.. big part of my childhood.. but there was other bands that paved the way before the used. The used came out in 2001... What about underoath? Or Silverstein? Senses fail?
I didn’t witness Emo turn the page until MCR.
Kids knew the assignment then.
I respect your take But u can't deny the used is awesome as well
Although they went a different direction musically than my taste, The Used first album is one of the best albums of its time.
This is just like the debate over what is "real" metalcore. Is it something like Starkweather? Killswitch Engage? Or Asking Alexandria? Depends on who you ask.
Killswitch & early Norma Jean. Nuff said.
@@FaithFallRepentGraceRepeat Yeah, and that's just as valid an opinion as my Ringworm and Converge, or my friend's As I Lay Dying and Parkway Drive. Point is, there's no point. It's about the music, not being scientifically accurate.
@@M4RCi92 There ironically is no right answer. The best part about the debate is that there are plenty of worthy contenders/musicians for that elusive/debatable “title”.
"Real Metalcore" only consists of the Belgian H8000 metallic hardcore scene and the late 90s edge metal scene. What is known by "scenecore" is nothing more than alternative rock with questionable metalcore influence. When people try to argue that bands like blessthefall are not real metalcore, while saying that Killswitch Engage are, I can't help not to cringe because they are just as fake metalcore as btf (plus the butt rock vocals). Real metalcore sounds ENERGETIC, POWERFUL, and somewhat HATEFUL. Fake metalcore is weak, self-pity and a failed attempt to direct energy and emotion into music. Some examples of REAL METALCORE are Congress, Morning Again, Eighteen Visions (the only real metalcore band from the scenecore scene), and Skycamefalling. Some examples of FAKE METALCORE are As I Lay Dying, Bullet for My Valentine, and Architects METALCORE BELONGS TO HARDCORE NOT TO METAL, POST HARDCORE, ALT ROCK OR ANY OTHER MAINSTREAM GENRE
Embrace, Rites of Spring, Sunny day real estate
The Used
The used fo eva
Love them both but gotta go with taking back Sunday
I thought blood on the dance floor was the start of emo. Crazy 😭
I'm a fake opening was the emo mantra
You got it buddy 👍🤘
tbs also slightly preceded the used in popularity if I'm not mistaken
Not for nothing I saw TBS in concert and they are a fun live band
The used had MTV hits while taking back Sunday was on mtv2 which was a big thing back then as cringe as that is. I would say the used got more normies into “emo” then they all listened to taking back sunday, which hey good for them I suppose
I don’t care who is real emo, but the used is awesome.
Its TBS. Good call Papa Finn
Taking Back Sunday, for sure. However, is that a pat on the back? Is that some sort of badge of honor? The first time I saw The Used were on their very first US tour opening for Goldfinger. Next time I saw them, they were on Ozzfest with a shit ton of metal bands. I know they finally found their niche after a few tours but at least they were out there exploring. Taking Back Sunday just went directly to crying teenage chicks and guys that had no self-esteem.
Mayday parade is the goat, maybe MCR Even though they don't consider themselves to be emo, I'd put Silverstein way over TBS too, Shane sounds amazing at 40
TBS however....The Get Up Kids are the best second wave emo band ever. A lot of bands owe their entire sound to The Get Up Kids. if you're 15-19 years old and you want to get fuckin depressed, listen to the album "Something To Write Home About" by TGUK.
15 yo, a coworker had a gf that said MCR helped her get bummed out about life, but that she needed to get that way to feel right. Not better but right. I never understand how or why that is though. Music should make one happy I thought...
Brand New > Taking Back Sunday
Toxic positivity is awesome. Every song on that albumn is just awesome, listen to the whole thing! The Used isn't emo. And its still my favorite band to this day. They had some emo songs but no... there not emo. I dont even consider tbs emo either. There amazing as well and there last album was amazing as well.
taking back sunday’s first album is better than the used’s whole discography, but the used is consistently better
The used I prefer to TBS, regardless which of those are more emo
Everybody loves Bert but even he says they are just a rock band, man. Taking Back Sunday is emo
I would say TBS is emo and the Used is more along the lines of "screamo" as far as sound goes
Adam rules!!!!!
Tbs for sure
TBS
How about Thursday?
AFI! all I need to say
Thursday
Brand New is the truer than both of them.
Neither of these bands were all that popular when Emo was starting up. I would say that The Get Up Kids would be the closest thing to a founding band of Emo.
The used
100%
Both great. Gaslight Anthem is better. Please hit us with a Gaslight Anthem video. We’ve been asking for years now.
Taking Back Sunday had really good early marketing with their "beef" with Brand New. It got a lot of people invested in the band personally and their aint no better marketing than teenagers (especially teenage girls) having parasocial relationships with cute emo guys
But Hawthorne Heights elevated Emo to S-tier 😇. I know this because I am in Ohio…and Ohio is for Lovers! 😂
"Real Emo" only consists of the dc Emotional Hardcore scene and the late 90's Screamo scene. What is known by "Midwest Emo" is nothing but Alternative Rock with questionable real emo influence. When people try to argue that bands like My Chemical Romance are not real emo, while saying that Sunny Day Real Estate is, I can't help not to cringe because they are just as fake emo as My Chemical Romance (plus the pretentiousness). Real emo sounds ENERGETIC, POWERFUL and somewhat HATEFUL. Fake emo is weak, self pity and a failed attempt to direct energy and emotion into music. Some examples of REAL EMO are Pg 99, Rites of Spring, Cap n Jazz (the only real emo band from the midwest scene) and Loma Prieta. Some examples of FAKE EMO are American Football, My Chemical Romance and Mineral EMO BELONGS TO HARDCORE NOT TO INDIE, POP PUNK, ALT ROCK OR ANY OTHER MAINSTREAM GENRE
From first to last or skillex
Tbs.❤
There is no TBS album that could even be close to the first album released by The Used in which they opened with the song called "Maybe memories. Without going into the evaluation of "A box full of sharp objects".
Cute with out the E.... Sorry but sounds like Millencolin, I love Millencolin...but nothing new here.
It's obviously TBS
I get why it has to be edited like that -- even at this choppy it's over the sweet-spot 30 second mark, -- but man this edit is very hard to listen to.
Does it really matter tho🤷🏼♂️ just enjoy it
The used then tbs
agreed.
I don’t think really of them are real emo. Like the Get Up Kids or Dashboard, that’s real emo. If you listened to them you’d know the difference. They’re definitely boarder line
*Ahem* MCR *AHEM*
The used is premo.
Wasn't real emo like....Moneen and them?
I domt care what music someonw calls "emo" because its just too complicated to explain all that and they probably will ignore everything i said AS LONG AS ITS ROCK music. If its like "oh youre wearing black? Youre emo!!" Then i will say emo is music related and doesnt have much to do with whatever you think is emo
i dont think Taking Back Sunday really started getting BIG big (like mainstream attention) until Where You Want to Be. like i always thought The Used blew up on a national level first. to be fair tho, you lived thru all of this and i was only a toddler while it was all happening so you probably know more about it than i do just based on experience alone.
Nah, TBS was a really big deal indeed since the debut
TBS had their first hit single 2 years before the used first big radio single. TBS opened the door for bands like the used and even MCR to really get serious radio play. CWt”E” was two years before All That I’ve Got, which is their first big radio single to my knowledge (I don’t remember hearing the taste of ink on the radio much back then at all). MakeDamnSure (TBS’s biggest radio hit) came out earlier that year that All That I’ve got came out. TBS made emo mainstream, the used and MCR went through that door and became bigger bands bc of it, tho.
Edit: source-I too lived thru it.
@@WinedandDined27 you got the release timeframe for MakeDamnSure wrong. MakeDamnSure was 2006. All That I've Got was 2004. Cute Without the E was 2002 for sure tho, and you're probably right about everything else.
allow me to spin a Gen Z retroactive perspective on things really quickly though. yeah, sure, Taking Back Sunday were the first actual emo band to become mainstream, but I don't think emo could have become mainstream at all if it wasn't for pop-punk's popularity in the late 90s and early 00s. blink-182 especially influenced the sound of a LOT of those emo bands even tho blink were technically never an emo band. so i think blink-182 made it possible for Taking Back Sunday and Thursday to get big, which in turn allowed bands like The Used, MCR, Hawthorne Heights, Silverstein, Senses Fail, etc, to get big. that's just my stupid little gen z perspective tho and i bet you're probably gonna gatekeep the shit out of me for it but alas, here we are.
@@caifabe8050 shit, you’re right haha. I got where you want to be and louder now mixed up as far as release dates. Good catch. My point still stands tho. And I absolutely agree with you about blink being the door opener for all of those bands. I think you’re spot on with that. Shit, I Miss You hitting the radio in 2003 was such a game changer. That was REALLY when you started to hear the used and the like get radio play. But, as you said, blink is decidedly pop punk and not emo, so TBS has to be the band who gets the title of “first mainstream emo band”. But, gun to my head, I Miss You probably broke that sound truly into the top of the billboard type level. That whole self titled album is more post-hardcore than pop punk, actually. It’s basically a post hardcore album straight up, but blink is still the quintessential pop punk band.
@@WinedandDined27 yo i appreciate ur take and i appreciate u not gatekeeping me for that lol thank you
Tbs easy not even a question
Let me guess. Fin hates them both and thinks all of their fans are cringe and then will rant about it in multiple videos and then wonder why no one likes him.
Taylor, you doing ok?
Taking back Sunday is the absolute worst live performance I have ever seen in my entire life and that includes drunk people singing karaoke. Adam is an absolute disgrace, the fact that he can charge people what they charge people for his shows that they headline is criminal. I left after the first song and there were dozens of other people leaving with us. By the time I got my vehicle out of valet, they were a ton of people leaving. Go on TH-cam and listen to live performances the last few years. You might as well be listening to Joe exotic drunk singing karaoke
Bro every word is a different clip
Well The Used is good live and TBS isn't so 🤷🏻♀️
I'd argue they're both terrible live lol. TBS is worse because Adam sound like a whole country singer now.
So?
At the drive in" invented the sound and was mainstream by their last album.
HAHAHAHAHHA LMFAOOOOO NOT EVEN CLOSE BUDDY
Shouldn't this question be tbs or brand new?
We don't discuss Brand New anymore.
But the answer to any question is usually Brand New.