Just watched The Way Of The Water in 4k HDR bluray for the first time today with my S95B and I've gotta mention it looked and sounded just incredible. Also the way the Samsung dims with static content like that, it's called ASBL, the earlier Samsung oleds are just as aggressive with it, but fortunately you can easily disable it through the service menu so it doesn't dim at all.
@@leobarnet3662 Didn't notice you comment, not necessarily but that's one way to do it. I use an android with an IR blaster, with an app called "SRC Remote".
Im glad you touched on dynamic tone mapping versus HGIG in gaming. Ive tried using hgig for a few weeks with both my old LG c9 and my S95b qdoled. You just take too much of a hit because it like dims your overall screen brightness alot, plus mutes the colors. I know most games dont even actually support hgig, and the ones that do dont even bother to advertise it 😂 so im sticking with dynamic now for sure
A lot of times hgig looks like SDR with slightly brighter highlights. Without SDR and HDR side by side I couldn't really tell much difference. At least HDR DTM pushes the TV hard enough you can tell it's hdr. I've only enjoyed a few games in hgig.
@@paulcox2447 yea you are right, sometimes you can think you see benefits of hgig with some games. I find it works best for games that have night time scenes, because when you toggle DTM back on you notice nighttime looks more vibrant but inaccurate and contrast seems to take a slight hit. Also in daytime sunny scenes, the clouds get overblown, and you start to see a hazy effect but atleast black shadow detail doesn’t seem crushed like in hgig, and image n colors just pop with that true HDR look u mentioned. Its just hard to find a true balance. Im thinking maybe if i got a G4 now, that high nit brightness will compensate for this, and in turn work better with hgig.
@@pboissie Yup, you nailed it. The game I really enjoyed with HGIG was Metro Exodus. With DTM the night time brightness was raised so much it didn't look like night time. I own a LG c1 for reference. HGIG worked really well and the highlights did actually pop. The game has lots of dark scenes and shadows, but also a lot of small light sources. If things are too bright it gets rid of the apocalyptic vibe. Dark dingy environments being lit by candle light is what you want. Rooms that are clearly dark and only partially illuminated. There is scene where you're in a bunker being interrogated and there are fluorescent lights overhead. Man O' man. First time I was like "WOW" when playing a game in HDR. The lights hit like they were real lights. I was told Destiny 2 was a top tier HGIG experience, tried it and was immediately like "nah this ain't it". I want a game like Destiny to POP and HGIG simply wouldn't do it. It was sdr with brighter highlights, wasn't wowing me at all You are right tho. Once TV's have more brightness capabilities and game makers choose to properly grade their games for HDR, DTM would be less useful. That said, I paid for a high end TV, I want my content to use the full capabilities of the TV and that's what DTM does. Purists can do what they want, but I'm going to do what I want and I will NOT feel guilty about it. As far as I'm concerned my stuff looks more like what theirs is going to look like in 10 years when the TVs and the grading start to catch up lol. Standard$ are always based around "average" tv's. My TV isn't average 😂
Do you know what HGIG is? HGIG's idea is to accurately follow the games HDR's intended luminance levels without any artificial tonemapping. So since you wanna talk about "support"?... All games that support HDR work properly with HGIG. And you always want to use HGIG when gaming in HDR to get a picture like the game devs intended.
@@verttisyrjala2897 sounds like you like to just make up stuff, a simple google search will show you what specifc games actually follow the HGIG standard. You can use it with non supported games obviously but you will get mixed results. Next time do some research.
Fomo clearly and directly said he can not recommend the 65-inch g4 because of an unusually bad dirty screen effect this year. The rtings c4 green tint mess at starting at 28 degrees is also just within acceptable range , lg said. It really is not at all go look what happens if you step slightly off angle.. they are not going to say that they ship out unacceptable broken viewing angle tvs whoops, and one actually got to rtings whoops again.. this is why you do not fully accept hand-picked models given to reviewers period. Listen not look at them. LG got caught with their pants down with dse g4 and green tint c4 this year. There are near perfect dse g4 tvs just not necessarily at all the one you buy. Not a single person can say that the one g4 someone randomly buys will be great or low dse. Hense the warning some reviewers dont want to mislead even a few of their watchers. Seems reasonable.
My c1 has a pink tint off axis, but I have to use grey slides and really look for it as well as get so off angle I'd never watch the TV that far off axis. Why LG seemed to go backwards in that regard I don't know. The old panels before the EVO didn't have off axis issues. It started with the c1 generation and has gotten worse every year it seems. A green tint is particularly atrocious as a green tint to the TV subjectively just looks worse than any other color. Blue tint has a "pop" to it. Red tint is warm and colorful, green tint makes things look sickly. When in doubt, cut green when tuning lol.
The big problem of LG they do illumination filter yellow and green to make the color the TV look more brightness and the kill the detail sharpness and is killed the highlights and they do more problem
Did you test the new firmware update on the G4 with the increased brightness? Its actually a big jump in film maker mode and game mode..could you do a comparison video maybe?
@@LaidbackYT the LG TV is not brightness at all is OLED problem burning is only color filter illumination yellow and green to make the TV look more brightness is killed the sharpness in detail and color not look so good
the S90D seems like a great TV but most people seem to focus on it being the best for gaming...but a common criticism is how it handles low bit rate/highly compressed material such as on streaming along with the motion handling...I have a dedicated gaming PC (and monitor) so I won't be using the TV for gaming...so my biggest concern is the low bit rate handling and motion...can you comment on how the S90D handles this type of content versus something like the G4...Thanks
@TitusTroy2. Hey thank you for the comment and checking out the video. Means allot. The low bit rate content is a little more iffy on the S90D comapred to the G4. Although color is better on the S90d, it's still hard to watch as the upscaling is not as clean looking. Plus when streaming, seems like motion tends to really skip frames and it's noticeable. Overall processing is not as premium as the g4 that's for sure
@@HiKielLiHi There will be better deals. I doubt you will save a lot more on that specific tv by waiting though. I did see the s95d 77 at 3200 a couple weeks ago.
How would you compare the G3 to the S90D. We had a 65" C4, but it had the green tint. So I was considering checking out an open box 55" G3 for around $1000, but then Costco had the 65" S90D for $1000, so we went with that. Good deal? I miss the LG software, though. And it's more elaborate settings selections. But it's amazing how much control you have over game mode with the S90D. With the LG, I was using the recommended Filmmaker Mode for gaming.
@scottsacala. Hey, thank you for the comment and checking out the video. Means a lot. That's a good questipersIf you're strictly talking game mode, then I would stay with the S90D. Yes, Costco does have a good deal cause they add the warranty in the purchase basically for free. But if you're asking about overall quality, I would give it to the G3. I don't mind with OS's as I am just simply used to them, but yes, I also agree with the customizations being much more flexible overall with an LG. But game mode menu on the S90D is equal to me comapred to the S90D. So overall I do like the S90D for gaming the most at the moment.
I bought the g4. Mainly because qd-oleds are losing brightness faster, about 3x faster than woled. If they put in some more effort they could beat woled easily. They need a heat sink maybe MLA to really take the crown. Seems like Samsung has more issues too, like Gsync and I’ve heard of frame skipping while streaming.
If you are a gamer. Get samsung. I love lg, and magic remote. But my issue is its lg. I now have s90d. I really wanted s95d but the matte screen tech is still new and i already know its gonna get better later. Tvs will get thinner or more powerful samsung also has better phone support
Lg oled are gòod in video processing and clarity BUT S90D Firmware(1120.6) image video depth contrast colour everything else is just too good on S90D hands down.
@@giotorres9848 The G4 has a little bit better motion handling and and it shows fine details a little better. But for the difference, trust me, just get the S90D you will not be disappointed. The G4 is simply no way worth twice the money. I paid up for the 83-in G4 which is amazing but if I was set on a 77 I would just stick with the Samsung.
Hello mate, is the s90d a match in processing to the g4? It also would be good if you could a side by side lg g4 vs s90d with screenshots or still shots for games like dragon ball sparking or a colorful game
@MeLucky-KuNGPaO. Hey thank you for the comment and checking out the video. Your definitely not the only one who experienced that. I had a problem with a one connect box back in 2018 and it was a month after the warranty expired. Long story short. I had to buy a brand new 1 connect box. How does a one connect box brak after one year? I was pissed.
@@consumerreview2k I had many flagships including qd Oled and 8k models. All had some issues , many if not all these TVs LED , the backlight is half backed , ur mom dad may not see it but we do
@Samzep correct in what way? Not sure what you mean by correct. Correct as in reference related correct or reference correct as in your personal opinion correct? Correct can mean many different things to many different people
I see two TV playing in HDR but two TV show dark i sure they're not do more than 1000 nit brightness is not 3000 nit brightness they don't do it in full screen in small Windows 1% to 10% size day don't do this is all bulshit to sell you expensive TV and larger TV
Hey thank you for the comment and checking out the video. They don't get to 3000 nits full screen. That's for sure. But they are still plenty bright enough for most people especially if you have the tv placed in a dark room setting
@@consumerreview2k but all the company lie to you the only want to sell you expensive TV you are the review must say it and fight in this liar and get the TV prices down and still do better TV not to do bad expensive TV
I Have heard of that. Thank you for sharing. I have had my issues in the past with Samsung. But I have to say I bought from them again because after all, i have purchased many Samsung products and for one issue to go wrong out of all the tvs, phones, appliances and years of never having issues, i figured it's bound to happen. Do I gave them another chance. But I have had some serious connection drop out issues with the S95C and PS5. It was to the point where I wanted to throw my S95C into the street and have a car run it over. It took me hours to figure out how to fix it and I did. But shouldn't have to go through that when you pay that much money.
Samsung great marketing flashy feature where many don’t work and TVs are seriously buggy without support , still they see large sales even selling high end TVs like this , so they are. Not stopping. All the TH-cam promo is all shit. 💩 People need to avoid something so high and promising that often has issues that are never resolved
@@consumerreview2k Im sure LG and Sony has issues but they cater to more pros and studios. There is more chance they will be effective with after sale support.
@@consumerreview2k as time goes check panel of dead spots. Make a separate video on this if you do get that. Samsung told me it’s physical damage and not covered … yet upon arrival they did a general test and said all is within normal limits !
Just watched The Way Of The Water in 4k HDR bluray for the first time today with my S95B and I've gotta mention it looked and sounded just incredible. Also the way the Samsung dims with static content like that, it's called ASBL, the earlier Samsung oleds are just as aggressive with it, but fortunately you can easily disable it through the service menu so it doesn't dim at all.
I didn’t know this. Do you have to get a special remote
@@leobarnet3662 Didn't notice you comment, not necessarily but that's one way to do it. I use an android with an IR blaster, with an app called "SRC Remote".
Too much talking and too many stills during the talking.
Better than your smart ass comment.
Yea the image keeps dimmimg which doesmt do any favors for the vid
Yeah and images hardly ever change / hardly no footage in motion. I'd rather mainly see things in action and more images.
We appreciate your work. Hope people get a good sale for those upgrading. Good sales during holidays
I have the g4. I just looked at the s90d at the store and could definitely see how much dimmer the s90d is.
It would be better to compare them side by side or use instrument to compare brightness. The S90D actually has higher color luminosity.
Im glad you touched on dynamic tone mapping versus HGIG in gaming. Ive tried using hgig for a few weeks with both my old LG c9 and my S95b qdoled. You just take too much of a hit because it like dims your overall screen brightness alot, plus mutes the colors. I know most games dont even actually support hgig, and the ones that do dont even bother to advertise it 😂 so im sticking with dynamic now for sure
A lot of times hgig looks like SDR with slightly brighter highlights. Without SDR and HDR side by side I couldn't really tell much difference.
At least HDR DTM pushes the TV hard enough you can tell it's hdr.
I've only enjoyed a few games in hgig.
@@paulcox2447 yea you are right, sometimes you can think you see benefits of hgig with some games. I find it works best for games that have night time scenes, because when you toggle DTM back on you notice nighttime looks more vibrant but inaccurate and contrast seems to take a slight hit. Also in daytime sunny scenes, the clouds get overblown, and you start to see a hazy effect but atleast black shadow detail doesn’t seem crushed like in hgig, and image n colors just pop with that true HDR look u mentioned. Its just hard to find a true balance. Im thinking maybe if i got a G4 now, that high nit brightness will compensate for this, and in turn work better with hgig.
@@pboissie Yup, you nailed it. The game I really enjoyed with HGIG was Metro Exodus. With DTM the night time brightness was raised so much it didn't look like night time. I own a LG c1 for reference.
HGIG worked really well and the highlights did actually pop. The game has lots of dark scenes and shadows, but also a lot of small light sources. If things are too bright it gets rid of the apocalyptic vibe. Dark dingy environments being lit by candle light is what you want. Rooms that are clearly dark and only partially illuminated.
There is scene where you're in a bunker being interrogated and there are fluorescent lights overhead. Man O' man.
First time I was like "WOW" when playing a game in HDR. The lights hit like they were real lights.
I was told Destiny 2 was a top tier HGIG experience, tried it and was immediately like "nah this ain't it".
I want a game like Destiny to POP and HGIG simply wouldn't do it. It was sdr with brighter highlights, wasn't wowing me at all
You are right tho. Once TV's have more brightness capabilities and game makers choose to properly grade their games for HDR, DTM would be less useful.
That said, I paid for a high end TV, I want my content to use the full capabilities of the TV and that's what DTM does.
Purists can do what they want, but I'm going to do what I want and I will NOT feel guilty about it.
As far as I'm concerned my stuff looks more like what theirs is going to look like in 10 years when the TVs and the grading start to catch up lol.
Standard$ are always based around "average" tv's. My TV isn't average 😂
Do you know what HGIG is? HGIG's idea is to accurately follow the games HDR's intended luminance levels without any artificial tonemapping. So since you wanna talk about "support"?... All games that support HDR work properly with HGIG. And you always want to use HGIG when gaming in HDR to get a picture like the game devs intended.
@@verttisyrjala2897 sounds like you like to just make up stuff, a simple google search will show you what specifc games actually follow the HGIG standard. You can use it with non supported games obviously but you will get mixed results. Next time do some research.
Well said about color saturation. LG looks more organic and natural. More realistic.
Good video. The S90D looks amazing!
@AlteredVisionTV. MAN nice to hear from you again as always. Hope your doing well.
Amazing work
LG G4 I heard is riddled with color banding vertical banding and green and pink tint but idk if this is every G4 panel though
Fomo clearly and directly said he can not recommend the 65-inch g4 because of an unusually bad dirty screen effect this year. The rtings c4 green tint mess at starting at 28 degrees is also just within acceptable range , lg said. It really is not at all go look what happens if you step slightly off angle.. they are not going to say that they ship out unacceptable broken viewing angle tvs whoops, and one actually got to rtings whoops again.. this is why you do not fully accept hand-picked models given to reviewers period. Listen not look at them. LG got caught with their pants down with dse g4 and green tint c4 this year. There are near perfect dse g4 tvs just not necessarily at all the one you buy. Not a single person can say that the one g4 someone randomly buys will be great or low dse. Hense the warning some reviewers dont want to mislead even a few of their watchers. Seems reasonable.
My c1 has a pink tint off axis, but I have to use grey slides and really look for it as well as get so off angle I'd never watch the TV that far off axis.
Why LG seemed to go backwards in that regard I don't know. The old panels before the EVO didn't have off axis issues. It started with the c1 generation and has gotten worse every year it seems.
A green tint is particularly atrocious as a green tint to the TV subjectively just looks worse than any other color.
Blue tint has a "pop" to it. Red tint is warm and colorful, green tint makes things look sickly. When in doubt, cut green when tuning lol.
The big problem of LG they do illumination filter yellow and green to make the color the TV look more brightness and the kill the detail sharpness and is killed the highlights and they do more problem
Just returned a G4 77 because of exactly that - vertical banding and color banding. Much more color banding than my C9. Otherwize a fantastic tv.
My 77" G4 shows none of these issues.
Did you test the new firmware update on the G4 with the increased brightness? Its actually a big jump in film maker mode and game mode..could you do a comparison video maybe?
Whats the Name/ Number of the Update?
@@LaidbackYT the LG TV is not brightness at all is OLED problem burning is only color filter illumination yellow and green to make the TV look more brightness is killed the sharpness in detail and color not look so good
@@taxi1975 It's Firmware 23.20.40 for the G4, it brings 200-300 additional NITS (5-10% white window) + TV runs much cooler now.
the S90D seems like a great TV but most people seem to focus on it being the best for gaming...but a common criticism is how it handles low bit rate/highly compressed material such as on streaming along with the motion handling...I have a dedicated gaming PC (and monitor) so I won't be using the TV for gaming...so my biggest concern is the low bit rate handling and motion...can you comment on how the S90D handles this type of content versus something like the G4...Thanks
@TitusTroy2. Hey thank you for the comment and checking out the video. Means allot. The low bit rate content is a little more iffy on the S90D comapred to the G4. Although color is better on the S90d, it's still hard to watch as the upscaling is not as clean looking. Plus when streaming, seems like motion tends to really skip frames and it's noticeable. Overall processing is not as premium as the g4 that's for sure
I'm getting the S90D this weekend from BJ's or Best Buy
Black Friday is coming up.
@@cuzr702..I ain’t waiting until black friday cuz the tv is already on sale..I don’t think it’s gonna drop any lower..it's already $1,299.99
@@cuzr702...the sale is on now
@@cuzr702...the sale is on now
@@HiKielLiHi There will be better deals. I doubt you will save a lot more on that specific tv by waiting though. I did see the s95d 77 at 3200 a couple weeks ago.
As long as the tv has that 3D pop because that is the whole reason I went with oled. I currently have the lg g3.
How would you compare the G3 to the S90D. We had a 65" C4, but it had the green tint. So I was considering checking out an open box 55" G3 for around $1000, but then Costco had the 65" S90D for $1000, so we went with that. Good deal? I miss the LG software, though. And it's more elaborate settings selections. But it's amazing how much control you have over game mode with the S90D. With the LG, I was using the recommended Filmmaker Mode for gaming.
@scottsacala. Hey, thank you for the comment and checking out the video. Means a lot. That's a good questipersIf you're strictly talking game mode, then I would stay with the S90D. Yes, Costco does have a good deal cause they add the warranty in the purchase basically for free. But if you're asking about overall quality, I would give it to the G3. I don't mind with OS's as I am just simply used to them, but yes, I also agree with the customizations being much more flexible overall with an LG. But game mode menu on the S90D is equal to me comapred to the S90D. So overall I do like the S90D for gaming the most at the moment.
If you are getting green tint you probably have it set to cool. I know on my g4 you need warm 50 to get accurate color.
2 of my Samsung qd Oled developed silver dead slots on panel within a year
Check yours very close.
For the S90d what color space are you using for hdr movies and gaming? Auto DCI-P3 or custom BT2020?
@MasterEggroll.Hey thank you for the comment and checking out the video. I prefer BT2020 Custom for HDR movies and gaming.
Next time you do a video comparison have both in filmmaker mode
Hey Ogcod, i can see leaning toward G4 over QD OLEDs yes yes yes hhhh lol, i hope you doing great take care
See you*
I bought the g4. Mainly because qd-oleds are losing brightness faster, about 3x faster than woled. If they put in some more effort they could beat woled easily. They need a heat sink maybe MLA to really take the crown. Seems like Samsung has more issues too, like Gsync and I’ve heard of frame skipping while streaming.
@MM-Official Heyy haven't heard from you in a while how you doing?
@@consumerreview2k i been very busy recently i'm doing great thanks man, god bless your son
@@cuzr702 LG Cope is real...
Could you please record your comparison videos in HDR? The differences would be a lot more visible
Hi,
Is it possible to get your tv settings for the G4?
If you are a gamer. Get samsung. I love lg, and magic remote. But my issue is its lg. I now have s90d. I really wanted s95d but the matte screen tech is still new and i already know its gonna get better later. Tvs will get thinner or more powerful samsung also has better phone support
Hey Ogcod, Will I Be Making An Upgrade If I Get The LG G4 After Coming From The Samsung S95B????
Lg oled are gòod in video processing and clarity BUT S90D Firmware(1120.6) image video depth contrast colour everything else is just too good on S90D hands down.
Hi,
The LG G4 65 in when turned off has a reddish screen tint / reflection. Is that normal?
s90d is 2200 right now at 77 wat do u think good buy or spend almost 2k more for g4 77
I own both. The G4 is better but not THAT much better. Get the S90D.
@@Icipher4thanks both wat ur breakdown on both tvs
@@giotorres9848 The G4 has a little bit better motion handling and and it shows fine details a little better. But for the difference, trust me, just get the S90D you will not be disappointed. The G4 is simply no way worth twice the money. I paid up for the 83-in G4 which is amazing but if I was set on a 77 I would just stick with the Samsung.
Hello mate, is the s90d a match in processing to the g4? It also would be good if you could a side by side lg g4 vs s90d with screenshots or still shots for games like dragon ball sparking or a colorful game
whats up with the pink hue in the trees on the samsung?
how do u tell if ur getting a qd oled panel un usa for s90d
In the US all 55, 65 and 77 inch panels are qd oled. You can also take a macro shot with your phone and see the rgb pixels are in a triangle shape.
Yup US 55 65 77 it's all QD big bruh.
@@giotorres9848 in the US. All s90d models 55 65 and 77 inch are qd oleds.
Due to poor quality and support I would no longer buy Samsung.
@MeLucky-KuNGPaO. Hey thank you for the comment and checking out the video. Your definitely not the only one who experienced that. I had a problem with a one connect box back in 2018 and it was a month after the warranty expired. Long story short. I had to buy a brand new 1 connect box. How does a one connect box brak after one year? I was pissed.
@@consumerreview2k I had many flagships including qd Oled and 8k models. All had some issues , many if not all these TVs LED , the backlight is half backed , ur mom dad may not see it but we do
No Dolby Vision = no buy
Watching G4 in standard mode ? No point in watching the rest of your video …
Have no interest in gaming what mode did you have s90d in on this video i dont think you had settings correct at all ?
@Samzep correct in what way? Not sure what you mean by correct. Correct as in reference related correct or reference correct as in your personal opinion correct? Correct can mean many different things to many different people
@@consumerreview2k did you have it in standard or vivid mode ?
I see two TV playing in HDR but two TV show dark i sure they're not do more than 1000 nit brightness is not 3000 nit brightness they don't do it in full screen in small Windows 1% to 10% size day don't do this is all bulshit to sell you expensive TV and larger TV
Hey thank you for the comment and checking out the video. They don't get to 3000 nits full screen. That's for sure. But they are still plenty bright enough for most people especially if you have the tv placed in a dark room setting
@@consumerreview2k but all the company lie to you the only want to sell you expensive TV you are the review must say it and fight in this liar and get the TV prices down and still do better TV not to do bad expensive TV
Scammer channel. There's no 3d effect in S90D at all
Please take your pills...It is a good channel...
Do you have a s90d? If so give a more detailed experience
I saw it in store and believe me S90D give you that depth 3D look cuz it's a QD OLED (i'm not fan of Samsung display at all except their phones)
The 3d effect comes from a high contrast, which all of the oleds have, and a glossy coating.
2 of my Samsung qd Oled developed silver dead slots on panel within a year
Check yours very close.
I Have heard of that. Thank you for sharing. I have had my issues in the past with Samsung. But I have to say I bought from them again because after all, i have purchased many Samsung products and for one issue to go wrong out of all the tvs, phones, appliances and years of never having issues, i figured it's bound to happen. Do I gave them another chance. But I have had some serious connection drop out issues with the S95C and PS5. It was to the point where I wanted to throw my S95C into the street and have a car run it over. It took me hours to figure out how to fix it and I did. But shouldn't have to go through that when you pay that much money.
Samsung great marketing flashy feature where many don’t work and TVs are seriously buggy without support , still they see large sales even selling high end TVs like this , so they are. Not stopping. All the TH-cam promo is all shit. 💩 People need to avoid something so high and promising that often has issues that are never resolved
@@consumerreview2k Im sure LG and Sony has issues but they cater to more pros and studios. There is more chance they will be effective with after sale support.
@@consumerreview2k as time goes check panel of dead spots. Make a separate video on this if you do get that. Samsung told me it’s physical damage and not covered … yet upon arrival they did a general test and said all is within normal limits !