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Thank you for the review, but I think you have to do a better job reading your own forum. There was a separate thread last year on the g3 dull game mode when compared to fmm. And here i go watching your review and you have 000000 zero mention of whether this has been fixed in g4. I understand you do not game, but many readers of your forum do, so please do not shit on them
The price you're paying for these TVs they should really come with both wall mount & stand and a proper classy remote all in the box. That's how Pioneer packaged my Kuro all those years ago. I paid my money, they gave me quality & choice.
@@BillyBob-xv3fu That has not been true for many years. Your Kuro does not hold a candle to this G4 or the Sony A95L. It doesn't even do 4K or HDR/Dolby Vision. It's black levels are no match for OLED either.
@@jurgentebeest6199 My recently extinct PDP-420XDm which lasted nearly 18 years, processed standard def far better than any OLED currently on the market. The blacks were fine on it. I have a C3 and Sony A8 in my house, so think I'm a reasonable judge.
I don't get all the bitching about the remote design? It does the job well and it's not expensive to replace should it get damaged. And it's more functional than Samsung's remote to boot.
Thanks very much Phil, looking forward to the S95D review and comparison with this. I still have a Samsung QLED from 2016 and this year may be time to upgrade.
I think this might be the one that finally forces me to upgrade from my C9 (which has held on like a champ!). Sounds like thr upgrade will be worth it for gaming and 4k blu rays
Thanks for the early first review, glad it is all positive , the out of the box accuracy is amazing well done LG. what about cinematic movements gimmicky or legit feature?
While I probably won't use it as I don't really see the judder with the near-instant OLED response time and I notice interpolation as soon as it is applied, this feature will be useful for those who have real issues with seeing the judder. We all see motion differently, so anything that can help without adding any Soap Opera Effect is a good thing in my opinion.
Three nitpicks: Power cord is still fixed, still a cheap remote, no "stand-up straight" stand for the 77". Most people fit the sturdy Sanus VSTV2 instead but the base is very large and does not even fit properly on typical Ikea 40cm deep furniture. LG also have an official duck feet style VESA stand that is used on their M3 series. I will likely buy the 55" or 65" instead.
AVforums mainly about Film maker mode . I think from elsewhere and from here about AI Director the G4 will make it seem more colourful . Also must be improvements in BT2020 mapping every year by better processing . I mean if you can map 4000Nits better should be able to map colour better . I'm really interested in how 3D it looks , apparently G4 is a nice improvement , that is processing as Phil mentioned . He's a purist but even he seemed impressed to mention it
Thanks for the review, which was excellent as usual. I'm tempted to upgrade my 65G1 to a 83G4 when prices drop in six months or a year. I am in a small dark room, it would be a whim I admit but being a big consumer of 4K/HDR-DV content, it tempts me to have an OLED MLA screen of such a size. The cinema effect must be spectacular.
I'm waiting for the holiday around November to get the G4. Should be able to get it for around $500 cheaper. I have a Sony best T.V 5 years ago, I have burn in as of 3 years ago.
@@Solidariity Sony Master Series XBR-65A9G The price I think was 3,299. Also I bought a$ 2,300 Samsung T.V. 14 years ago and it only last 2 years. I told my self I will NEVER buy another Samsung TV and I haven't. I'm going LG this time because they have the best screen panels with no burning and they back it up in their warranty unlike Sony!.
Agree on the remote. Also, Samsung! They haven’t given a premium remote for YEARS! Same old tat. Oh for the days of the metal, backlit remotes of the past.
Perhaps the Sony by a very slight margin, but LG is definitely good value for money. LG for below 55ins and Sony for 55 ins and above. However they’re both outstanding TVs. Cheers.
The S95C with the anapeak mod can do 2000 nits @2-3% btw. SO much for the G4 being brighter. It can also reach 300 nits full field white and 1650 nits 10%. It has better colorvolume, brighter colors without washing out and can also do 144 hz.
According to profile name, it seems that u love your S95C, enjoy it, and stop behaving like PUTIN , always looking for reasons to be right, such a destructive destructive character 😂🎉😅🎉,
I picked up the 77” G2 as my first OLED tv and it’s been phenomenal and has surpassed my expectations. I am going to get either the LG G4 in 83” or the Samsung QN900D in 85” I was surprised how fast I outgrew the 77” size so the G2 will get moved to the bedroom. The only reason I’m upgrading so soon is size and both sets are supposed to have a new processor that is game changing.
@@robertdobbelaer8503 currently exactly 8ft but soon I’m going to move my H/T to the other side of the basement where I’ll have 16ft but will have the couch at 10ft as I want to keep in line with the 40° field of view as much as possible. I will also expand my speaker layout from 5.2.4 to 7.2.6
How much time in your life are you going to spend watching tv ? In the end of your life you will regret the time you've wasted watching tv. Sell your tv and enjoy life more😊
I'm stuck between the philips 908 or the LG G4. What would you recommend yourself? I was I formed the philips gets as bright as 2100 nits. I cam get the philips 908 for €2000 or the g4 for €2600.
loving everything i’ve seeing on the G4! would you recommend the G4 over the C4? looking to get a tv that checks all the boxes on my series X and gives me the best image quality on my apple tv 4K, would you say the C4 is worth the lesser price compared to the G4? have a feeling the G4 is gonna last me until the next big tv tech evolution
If you can afford the G4 then that would be my pick over the C4. C4 is slightly brighter than C3, but it is nowhere near as good as the G4 with the a11 Ai Processor and MLA+ etc.
Thank you from the Netherlands for the great review! Is the anti reflective coating on the G4 any different from the G3? I read in a preview that the anti reflective coating of the G4 possibly is not as good as on the G3. Not sure which one to pick up: the G3 with a big discount or the G4 with undoubtedly brighter colors in game mode compared to the G3.
Go for the LG G3 like me. I will buy mine next month, the 55" inch. It's now on discounts in the Netherlands. The G4 is an excellent TV but the price is too high at this moment. Glenn, Nederland
Nice review..and t-shirt. How does that silver border on the outside edge look in a darker room. Is it still visible? Does it tend to pick up any ambient light or light reflected in the room from the screen? I could live with the cheap remote but concerned that border will be distracting.
Where the heck in Germany can I look at the A95L next to the G4 lol I went to Mediamarkt and they didn't have either TV xD I'm kinda leaning toward G4 cuz the price difference seems kinda nuts. A95L cost almost 1000 more (I haev a cheap Hisense so I'm sure both would be awesome. Plus I hear Sony has a good amount of bugs and I'm kinda suck of bugs on Samsung and Hisense panels).
Considering this G4 or the new Samsung S95D in 77". A big consideration though is the sound and I would like the new Q990D Samsung atmos soundbar after being very satisfied with the Q90R that I got 4 years ago. I've read this latest soundbar is now far superior to my old Q90R and I've also viewed some poor reviews of the LG flagship soundbar system. The Q symphony on the Samsung TV that can be used with the soundbar for extra immersion and the object tracking feature is swaying me towards the Samsung TV. For myself the sound is as much a key factor as the picture quality although I don't want to go the AVR and seperate wired speaker route for aesthetic reason's. This LG could be a stellar TV and debatably a little better than the S95D but will the TV and Soundbar integration on the all Samsung setup outweigh the possible minor advantages of this LG screen? Looking to make my purchase around September time and I'm still open minded and looking forward to viewing plenty of side by side comparison reviews before I make my decision. I must say I've been very happy with my 5 year old LG OLED but I've read they have improved considerably since my last purchase.
I wouldn’t put too much stalk in Q-symphony tbh. I have the 990C and had an S90C for a few months before selling it. Q-symphony may have made dialogue slightly more audible but the difference was so small, I couldn’t even tell a difference when doing a blind AB test. I now use my Q990C with my LG CX and am very happy with the sound that this system produces on its own.
Where can You choose between S and W version? In the most of the countries only W version is available which means You need to buy stand separately. Looking at G4 price this is a f....g joke from LG side
As covered in my written review, it is serviceable in volume and weight with good separation, but no bottom end. If you want good-quality audio try and get the G4 with a soundbar or use it with an external sound system.
77", the bigger picture will be more impactful than the very slight upgrade in the form of the G4. Managed to get one for £2600 and I'm sure they will get cheaper in the coming months
@@kjell9745 I went from a 40" led to 77" G3 and so glad I did. Trust me, if you've got the room get the 77" G3. I think if you had a 77" G3 next to a 65" G4 good rather watch the bigger one as any minor advantages the G4 has wouldn't make much of a difference but the bigger picture will. They even say that if you own a G3 there's no point in getting a G4. End of the day, everyone is different but try and view one then next to eachother and decide if it's worth the extra money/having the smaller size
Dang looks like QD OLED just leapfrogged WOLED In brightness substantially this year on top of all its other advantages. FOMO measured the S95D at nearly 1800 Nits 10% and 300 Nits full field
I can't comment on other measurements and the gear they may have used, but I doubt you would see any perceivable difference between 1500 and 1800 nits in real terms, our eyes just don't work like that and there are many other factors at play which make up an HDR image, most of them have nothing to do with specular highlights. It's not all about the numbers game.
Ano this is the g4 & i just have c3😂 but does any 1 know why i feel like tje c3 83" dims dowm at nite & yes enargy saving eye care al off. I have bo clue?
What do you mean? Those are standard numbers, that all the OLEDs up until now have. And it's just the leobodnar numbers, the real input lag is a little bit higher even. For example: rtings meassured 10.1ms for 4k @ 60 Hz for the LG G3, which is good.
Dimming is normal when viewing a static picture like when you pause a video game or pause a movie, it will dim down to protect itself from burn in, simply touching the remote or a game controller or a keyboard depending on what you are doing will bring back the brightness. All OLED TVs has aggressive ABL (Automatic Brightness Limiter) which can occasionally dim the picture, but having a EVO Panel or this new MLA panel, the issue is far far less. It is possible to enable some secret menu to disable static picture dimming, but completely turning off ABL is not possible.
@@ChrisCurran-pn7rr Yes, it can happen when watching football because of static logos as well, depending on how large the logo or HUD is, you can turn off logo dimming to mitigate this in the OLED panel settings, maybe it will not dim down then
Nothing biased here. I have seen the Samsung in person and the Sony A95L has been fully tested and reviewed by me and isn't being replaced anytime soon. The Samsung is not as good an all-rounder when it comes to image processing and HDR support, and the Sony doesn't offer the same gaming features or inputs as LG. So, given the performance of the G4 and its all-round capabilities, it is our choice for Best In Class.
@@whitecrowuk575 QD-OLED’s have much uniformity. Trust me. QD-OLED as an OLED technology was a step change. Plus the price to performance on a Samsung to LG OLED is hard to justify.
@@rockcitybwoy9042 was with first gen yes not so much with second - you can see plenty of people complaining on avsforum about it. Whereas wiles was bad in the past now for G3 sizes 55/65/77 it’s rare to get bad uniformity especially on 77. And from initial G4 reviews it continues like that.
So glad Dolby Vision got FILMMAKER MODE. I am using "Cinema" on my LG CX, but I am glad the name of the presets is now consistent. I am the go-to friend/family member for TV recommendations, and I always recommend getting the LG B-series or C-series or G-series (depending on their budget). And when I tell them to turn on FILMMAKER MODE for everything, it now makes more sense.
The LG remote is actually the best on the market because of its motion control Try using a samsung and see how many times you have to press (or press and HOLD) the same button to get ANY kind of response from the TV... and how many sub menus you have to press just to get to something as simple as changing inputs (6 just to get to the input menu, then many more to select the input you want)
I wasn't complaining about its functionality, but rather the cheap-looking black plastic which gets covered in fingerprints and the buttons become a mess over time and doesn't have a backlight. A TV at this level of the market should have a metal remote made from quality materials and match the design of the TV - but with the functionality we already have.
It's one of the biggest frustrations I have with the G series TVs. Now they have fixed the issue with the stand, I hope they fix the remote next, fingers crossed.
Even the print on some of the buttons on my remote are fading off. It's really baffling how LG can still ship such a cheap remote with an expensive TV.
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what a nice premium remote does the M4 have why doesnt the G4 have the same remote ? ! im so annoyed with this same not premium looking remote for so many years for a premium tv
To be fair I love the LG magic remote.. It's so easy to control your TV with it. Yes, it looks a bit cheap and it has no backlit buttons, but the usability really makes up for it in my opinion.
11:30 "when it comes to image quality, it's a very slight step up on the G3...if you own the G3 it's not worth the upgrade" - PHEW! signed, 77G3 owner with perpetual case of FOMO
I never would have guessed G4 would be so much brighter than G3 that already doubled the brightness from G2. This is the best time to live in if you are a technology freak.
@@avforums Thanks for this insight, the G3 is double the price of G2 currently. Not sure I can stretch that far. What about the C3? Is that a better option over G2? Thanks again.
No, the C3 is very much the same as the C2 model, with no significant upgrades. The big upgrade was adding MLA and Meta technology to the G3. It may yet fall a little more in price now the G4 is available and dealers will need to shift stock.
I sadly had an accident with my G3 last month which broke the panel. I'm going to treat myself with this one now, because the much better stand alone is already worth the upgrade to me. It's already in delivery. Can't wait, I'm glad there are no drawbacks, only improvements! Thanks for the thorough testing!
I am living in the Philippines, and apparently the retailers here are cheaping out when it comes to the included stand that you'll get literally everywhere else in the world. It is simply not possible to get it, besides directly from LG. So if you want to get this TV here, you are either forced to place it on a wall, or pay a premium price on top of the TV to get the stand from LG.
The picture may be great but the G4 has its issues. My one commonly crashes when using the default web browser, and sometimes when in the settings menus response will slow down then freeze. I then have to turn the TV off unplug it, then plug it in again. Then it loses the sound output that was last selected. It has LG soundbar connected by hdmi earc, the tv is set to use the soundbar and the tv speakers for sound output. On powerup the output to the tv speakers is lost, and if I do not interven quickly enough the sound output is change to a bluetooth sound system that I listen to music on. This is not acceptable on a TV of this price, or any TV for that matter.
It's one of the biggest frustrations I have with the G series TVs. Now they have fixed the issue with the stand, I hope they fix the remote next, fingers crossed.
I feel like tv has almost peaked, I can’t see 8k taking off anytime soon and 4k been mainstream for a decade or so, it’s really nit picking for features, until the source format changes again they’re all pretty much the same, also people watch garbage quality content from streaming services and terrestrial so doesn’t matter how good the tv is! 😅
Yes it does. The better the processor, the better the garbage quality content will look due to better upscaling. So it matters a lot how good the tv is
Constraints of the current testing room while we wait for the new test room to be built. I needed to balance lighting and the TV against clipping on camera. However, saying all that, you should never assess TV image quality on any TH-cam video as it is compressed and limited in dynamic range from the camera to how TH-cam compress the final video.
LG figures are on a 2% window in vivid mode. Nobody in their right mind would ever watch a TV in such a mode. In the accurate Filmmaker mode, it measures in at 1500 nits.
the smaller the measurement window and the more the inaccurate PM, the higher the measurement will be. on a 2 or 3 percent window in vivid PM, it may measure close to 3000 nits but on a 10% window in FMM, it will be 1400-1500 nits. some difference will exist from panel to panel because of panel variance and the measurement equipment used.
@@CaliFinestDemon After back and forth last night for about 4 hours, I can definitely confirm the A95L still has superior color, the G4 is brighter, and has a little more shadow detail in DV…
@@CaliFinestDemon I’m telling you from owning both, and what’s in front of me. It definitely has superior color volume, it’s QD-Oled v WOLED, I’ll be calibrating it next for further testing, but I’ll definitely keep this one, I sent the G3 back last year for the S95C…
I'm so confused because the main TV I'm waiting for is the Panasonic Oled z95a but I could buy the lg g3 now for just under £2000 an then there is obviously the better lg g4🤪, so it's driving me crazy what to do.
My advice would be that if there is no rush, wait to see how these TVs perform, check out the owner's threads at AVForums to see how people are finding them in their homes, and while you wait the pricing will also be better down the line. I hope that helps!
I currently have a MZ2000 and looking to return it due to problems with HDR material (I had 3 LZ2000s before this and they also had the same problem!). I've been looking at the G3. Just bear in mind, if internal sound is important, the Panasonic is way better than the G3 and possibly the G4. If I go the G3 route I'll be needing a soundbar.
It really depends on what you need from a TV and your use case. If it is just film and TV viewing in ideal conditions with high quality sources, the Panasonic is still very much a contender and the new Z95A looks very interesting.
@@wakaflockaproject I had the alienware one but sent it back, curve not for me, no audio out, some firmware bugs. Waiting for a DP 2.1 monitor to come out
@@wakaflockaproject Yeah I would have gotten an S90D if it had a smaller size, QD-OLED is desirable, but after having used a 48CX at the same distance I use a the 42C2 there is just no way I can live with a 55 inch at 4ft viewing distance.
Do you know when will OLED TVs be using Blue PHOLED! When you spend that kind of cash TVs should be acurate and customers shouldn’t have to shell out for a calibration!
I think the testing of windows only show the general brightness increase. But it doesn't show the "booster" tech that increases the specular highlights at 3% and less happening in actual content. So I bet those times it is "boosting" these HDR small highlights the nits can be higher than 1500 nits. I don't think it's something that can be tested as easily. Also if someone wants to use vivid, yeah I know. Then the brightness is likely higher from the start as well. Wouldn't surprise me if you just tested vivid the window brightness at 10% would be far higher than 1448 nits. Not accurate FMM to be sure. But just saying it's there.
Can you please test the De-Judder 10/10 in 30FPS games to see how big is the input lag? I am using De-Judder in gaming on my C3 but I am curious if the new Alpha 11 processor will give you lower input lag vs the Alpha 9. Thank you.
Unless the G3 comes in 83inch with MLA tech I'd say you certain have to go with this model then. being that everyone else on this level stops at 77inch
What do you think about the LG G4 and the other flagships due this year? Will you be upgrading your TV for the G4 or others? Let us know below in the comments and why not head over to AVForums.com to join one of the largest AV and Hi-Fi communities on the internet.
Thank you for the review, but I think you have to do a better job reading your own forum. There was a separate thread last year on the g3 dull game mode when compared to fmm. And here i go watching your review and you have 000000 zero mention of whether this has been fixed in g4. I understand you do not game, but many readers of your forum do, so please do not shit on them
Yep. Getting the 77”. Tv looks superb.
I’m so split. I can’t decide between the LG G3 or the G4 in 55”
@@hassaluli game mode on G4 is better
get the G4 that is obvious
Thanks for the great review. Question: Why isn't the reflection handling capability assessed? How can you pit this against the S95D without it?
The price you're paying for these TVs they should really come with both wall mount & stand and a proper classy remote all in the box.
That's how Pioneer packaged my Kuro all those years ago. I paid my money, they gave me quality & choice.
Bought the last of the Kuro sets back in 2006. 18 years later, there's nothing new that can touch it.
@@BillyBob-xv3fu That has not been true for many years. Your Kuro does not hold a candle to this G4 or the Sony A95L. It doesn't even do 4K or HDR/Dolby Vision. It's black levels are no match for OLED either.
@@jurgentebeest6199 My recently extinct PDP-420XDm which lasted nearly 18 years, processed standard def far better than any OLED currently on the market. The blacks were fine on it. I have a C3 and Sony A8 in my house, so think I'm a reasonable judge.
Same with cell phones! Chargers should be included!
@@BillyBob-xv3fu NONSENSE.
A lovely brushed aluminium remote control please LG.
We agree!
I really don't understand the love for brushed metal finishes. It just looks tarnished.
I don't get all the bitching about the remote design? It does the job well and it's not expensive to replace should it get damaged. And it's more functional than Samsung's remote to boot.
@@devan_dangerBecause it doesn’t look premium like the TV, other manufacturers remotes are far better and don’t look cheap.
@@nickxcore74I don’t care about how the remote looks, the TV itself doesn’t look cheap at all with its sleek metal outer surfaces
Thanks very much Phil, looking forward to the S95D review and comparison with this. I still have a Samsung QLED from 2016 and this year may be time to upgrade.
100%
I think this might be the one that finally forces me to upgrade from my C9 (which has held on like a champ!). Sounds like thr upgrade will be worth it for gaming and 4k blu rays
Thanks for the early first review, glad it is all positive , the out of the box accuracy is amazing well done LG.
what about cinematic movements gimmicky or legit feature?
While I probably won't use it as I don't really see the judder with the near-instant OLED response time and I notice interpolation as soon as it is applied, this feature will be useful for those who have real issues with seeing the judder. We all see motion differently, so anything that can help without adding any Soap Opera Effect is a good thing in my opinion.
Three nitpicks: Power cord is still fixed, still a cheap remote, no "stand-up straight" stand for the 77". Most people fit the sturdy Sanus VSTV2 instead but the base is very large and does not even fit properly on typical Ikea 40cm deep furniture. LG also have an official duck feet style VESA stand that is used on their M3 series. I will likely buy the 55" or 65" instead.
Amazing review! Do you find any color improvements between G4 and G3?
AVforums mainly about Film maker mode . I think from elsewhere and from here about AI Director the G4 will make it seem more colourful . Also must be improvements in BT2020 mapping every year by better processing . I mean if you can map 4000Nits better should be able to map colour better . I'm really interested in how 3D it looks , apparently G4 is a nice improvement , that is processing as Phil mentioned . He's a purist but even he seemed impressed to mention it
Thanks for the review, which was excellent as usual. I'm tempted to upgrade my 65G1 to a 83G4 when prices drop in six months or a year. I am in a small dark room, it would be a whim I admit but being a big consumer of 4K/HDR-DV content, it tempts me to have an OLED MLA screen of such a size. The cinema effect must be spectacular.
I'm waiting for the holiday around November to get the G4. Should be able to get it for around $500 cheaper. I have a Sony best T.V 5 years ago, I have burn in as of 3 years ago.
@@geogeo4139 damn which model and size
@@Solidariity Sony Master Series XBR-65A9G
The price I think was 3,299. Also I bought a$ 2,300 Samsung T.V. 14 years ago and it only last 2 years. I told my self I will NEVER buy another Samsung TV and I haven't. I'm going LG this time because they have the best screen panels with no burning and they back it up in their warranty unlike Sony!.
How is the audio?
I'm a big fan keep up the great work.
Is it any good, thats all I care about. If its good ill buy as many as i need of them...
Thanks Phil. Glad its not a massive upgrade over the G3 which i own.
great review
Still no stand for 83” G4 What a shame 😢
Agree on the remote. Also, Samsung! They haven’t given a premium remote for YEARS! Same old tat. Oh for the days of the metal, backlit remotes of the past.
What can u say about the reflection handling?
What is better for upscaling the LG G4 or the Sony A95L ?
I was told by both owners who own both they are virtually Identical.
I would say it is close between both
Perhaps the Sony by a very slight margin, but LG is definitely good value for money. LG for below 55ins and Sony for 55 ins and above. However they’re both outstanding TVs.
Cheers.
The S95C with the anapeak mod can do 2000 nits @2-3% btw. SO much for the G4 being brighter. It can also reach 300 nits full field white and 1650 nits 10%. It has better colorvolume, brighter colors without washing out and can also do 144 hz.
According to profile name, it seems that u love your S95C, enjoy it, and stop behaving like PUTIN , always looking for reasons to be right, such a destructive destructive character 😂🎉😅🎉,
Yes my one modded goes over 2000. S95d can do 3000 😮 but the matte panel is a bit of a problem
I picked up the 77” G2 as my first OLED tv and it’s been phenomenal and has surpassed my expectations. I am going to get either the LG G4 in 83” or the Samsung QN900D in 85” I was surprised how fast I outgrew the 77” size so the G2 will get moved to the bedroom. The only reason I’m upgrading so soon is size and both sets are supposed to have a new processor that is game changing.
more money than sense
Hi, outgrew the 77” size? What is your viewing distance if I may ask?
@@robertdobbelaer8503 currently exactly 8ft but soon I’m going to move my H/T to the other side of the basement where I’ll have 16ft but will have the couch at 10ft as I want to keep in line with the 40° field of view as much as possible. I will also expand my speaker layout from 5.2.4 to 7.2.6
How much time in your life are you going to spend watching tv ? In the end of your life you will regret the time you've wasted watching tv. Sell your tv and enjoy life more😊
Keep my lg c2 65 inch some more years, or buy the lg g4 77 inch, on black friday or some other sale?
I'm stuck between the philips 908 or the LG G4. What would you recommend yourself? I was I formed the philips gets as bright as 2100 nits. I cam get the philips 908 for €2000 or the g4 for €2600.
At last we get a stand for once who don't want to wall mount there G4
i have the C1,will I notice any difference coming from it to the G4?
Yes, especially in brightness and colour brightness improvements, along with much better video processing.
loving everything i’ve seeing on the G4! would you recommend the G4 over the C4? looking to get a tv that checks all the boxes on my series X and gives me the best image quality on my apple tv 4K, would you say the C4 is worth the lesser price compared to the G4? have a feeling the G4 is gonna last me until the next big tv tech evolution
If you can afford the G4 then that would be my pick over the C4. C4 is slightly brighter than C3, but it is nowhere near as good as the G4 with the a11 Ai Processor and MLA+ etc.
Thank you from the Netherlands for the great review! Is the anti reflective coating on the G4 any different from the G3? I read in a preview that the anti reflective coating of the G4 possibly is not as good as on the G3.
Not sure which one to pick up: the G3 with a big discount or the G4 with undoubtedly brighter colors in game mode compared to the G3.
Go for the LG G3 like me. I will buy mine next month, the 55" inch. It's now on discounts in the Netherlands. The G4 is an excellent TV but the price is too high at this moment. Glenn, Nederland
Is there a stand for the 77" version?
Any idea when they gonna release it in canada ?
Nice review..and t-shirt. How does that silver border on the outside edge look in a darker room. Is it still visible? Does it tend to pick up any ambient light or light reflected in the room from the screen? I could live with the cheap remote but concerned that border will be distracting.
The silver border is not seen from the viewing position and doesn't reflect any light from the screen.
Cheers 👍
Thank you, can't wait for you to compare it to Sony A95L side by side
Where the heck in Germany can I look at the A95L next to the G4 lol I went to Mediamarkt and they didn't have either TV xD I'm kinda leaning toward G4 cuz the price difference seems kinda nuts. A95L cost almost 1000 more (I haev a cheap Hisense so I'm sure both would be awesome. Plus I hear Sony has a good amount of bugs and I'm kinda suck of bugs on Samsung and Hisense panels).
Considering this G4 or the new Samsung S95D in 77". A big consideration though is the sound and I would like the new Q990D Samsung atmos soundbar after being very satisfied with the Q90R that I got 4 years ago. I've read this latest soundbar is now far superior to my old Q90R and I've also viewed some poor reviews of the LG flagship soundbar system. The Q symphony on the Samsung TV that can be used with the soundbar for extra immersion and the object tracking feature is swaying me towards the Samsung TV. For myself the sound is as much a key factor as the picture quality although I don't want to go the AVR and seperate wired speaker route for aesthetic reason's. This LG could be a stellar TV and debatably a little better than the S95D but will the TV and Soundbar integration on the all Samsung setup outweigh the possible minor advantages of this LG screen? Looking to make my purchase around September time and I'm still open minded and looking forward to viewing plenty of side by side comparison reviews before I make my decision. I must say I've been very happy with my 5 year old LG OLED but I've read they have improved considerably since my last purchase.
I wouldn’t put too much stalk in Q-symphony tbh. I have the 990C and had an S90C for a few months before selling it. Q-symphony may have made dialogue slightly more audible but the difference was so small, I couldn’t even tell a difference when doing a blind AB test. I now use my Q990C with my LG CX and am very happy with the sound that this system produces on its own.
They said we'd have 144hz, did they roll back to 120hz?
How bright is it vs the g3?
G3! The 10 years OLED! The revolution!The best can do for the 10 years! G4 just a better G3, G3 is a winner!
The G3 is a great TV, which makes it difficult for the G4 to compete at launch pricing.
@@avforums YES
I have the C7 so my choice would be the G4.
@@busterboy7507 G4 just a better G3, G3 not just a better G3, G3 is cheaper than G4. So, make your best choice.
@@busterboy7507 G3 not just a better G2, G2 just a better G1.
Every shop only shows the TV's in hdr mode, you cant see it in live tv as in sdr content.
Agreed, some stores are really bad. Find a good one that will let you test with your own content, if you can.
Is there a Heatsink in the
LG G4 55inch version
Yes!
Where can You choose between S and W version? In the most of the countries only W version is available which means You need to buy stand separately. Looking at G4 price this is a f....g joke from LG side
Would you prefer a G4 or an A95L
That's a tough choice.
Locked in this year
Solid tv 📺👌🏾
Looking at the difference between LG G3 Vs G4. G4 supersedes LG G3 by a mile.
I would upgrade my TV if there was anything worth watching these days......
What about the audio?
As covered in my written review, it is serviceable in volume and weight with good separation, but no bottom end. If you want good-quality audio try and get the G4 with a soundbar or use it with an external sound system.
83” G4
Verry difficult 77" G3 or 65" G4
77", the bigger picture will be more impactful than the very slight upgrade in the form of the G4.
Managed to get one for £2600 and I'm sure they will get cheaper in the coming months
@@danieltilly167 gonna upgrade from an 55" C1 so 65 will also be an upgrade I suppose 😅
@@kjell9745 I went from a 40" led to 77" G3 and so glad I did. Trust me, if you've got the room get the 77" G3. I think if you had a 77" G3 next to a 65" G4 good rather watch the bigger one as any minor advantages the G4 has wouldn't make much of a difference but the bigger picture will. They even say that if you own a G3 there's no point in getting a G4.
End of the day, everyone is different but try and view one then next to eachother and decide if it's worth the extra money/having the smaller size
The silver bezels drive me nuts. Makes watching movies in the dark really annoying. Shame on LG for not considering this.
65 vs 77, that's my doubt.
I like the t shirt 👕
Dang looks like QD OLED just leapfrogged WOLED In brightness substantially this year on top of all its other advantages. FOMO measured the S95D at nearly 1800 Nits 10% and 300 Nits full field
I can't comment on other measurements and the gear they may have used, but I doubt you would see any perceivable difference between 1500 and 1800 nits in real terms, our eyes just don't work like that and there are many other factors at play which make up an HDR image, most of them have nothing to do with specular highlights. It's not all about the numbers game.
Ano this is the g4 & i just have c3😂 but does any 1 know why i feel like tje c3 83" dims dowm at nite & yes enargy saving eye care al off. I have bo clue?
The Input Lag is pretty high on 4k even on 1080P it isnt that great 😳 i was expecting lower numbers 🙈
What do you mean? Those are standard numbers, that all the OLEDs up until now have. And it's just the leobodnar numbers, the real input lag is a little bit higher even. For example: rtings meassured 10.1ms for 4k @ 60 Hz for the LG G3, which is good.
@@irre.o i read somewhere Input lag would be 0,1 ms on the G4
@@AlexDH512 0,1 ms is pretty much impossible and would outragesouly good :D! Typo?
You are mixing up pixel response time with input lag.
@@avforums oh damn 🙈 could be possible, my bad
Ano this is g4 & i only have 83" c3 😂 does any 1 know why i deel mq tv dims down at nite when enargy saving off eye care off bla bla bla ?
Dimming is normal when viewing a static picture like when you pause a video game or pause a movie, it will dim down to protect itself from burn in, simply touching the remote or a game controller or a keyboard depending on what you are doing will bring back the brightness. All OLED TVs has aggressive ABL (Automatic Brightness Limiter) which can occasionally dim the picture, but having a EVO Panel or this new MLA panel, the issue is far far less. It is possible to enable some secret menu to disable static picture dimming, but completely turning off ABL is not possible.
@@TheEdmaster87 thanks am sure lg c3 is evo pannel it was when i was waching football last nite i thought it had dimmed down gid knows
It was bt sports live city aston villa thanks anyway will keep ma eye on it if only i had g3 or 4 lol
@@ChrisCurran-pn7rr Yes, it can happen when watching football because of static logos as well, depending on how large the logo or HUD is, you can turn off logo dimming to mitigate this in the OLED panel settings, maybe it will not dim down then
@@TheEdmaster87 thanks
Thats one ugly stand. Id buy an A95L just for the pretty stand....
But how is this your winner and you haven't did Samsung or Sony... I hate biased reviews
Nothing biased here. I have seen the Samsung in person and the Sony A95L has been fully tested and reviewed by me and isn't being replaced anytime soon. The Samsung is not as good an all-rounder when it comes to image processing and HDR support, and the Sony doesn't offer the same gaming features or inputs as LG. So, given the performance of the G4 and its all-round capabilities, it is our choice for Best In Class.
@@avforumsIn a class of one 🤷
How does the LG G4 processing compare to the Sony A95L and Samsung S95D and S90D ?
I am in love with QD-OLED colors the QD-OLEDS superior uniformity.
Latest qd oleds didn’t have perfect uniformity by any stretch. It’s now similar between them and LG which stepped up in that regard
@@whitecrowuk575 QD-OLED’s have much uniformity. Trust me. QD-OLED as an OLED technology was a step change. Plus the price to performance on a Samsung to LG OLED is hard to justify.
@@rockcitybwoy9042 was with first gen yes not so much with second - you can see plenty of people complaining on avsforum about it. Whereas wiles was bad in the past now for G3 sizes 55/65/77 it’s rare to get bad uniformity especially on 77. And from initial G4 reviews it continues like that.
@@Ren32 🥱
So glad Dolby Vision got FILMMAKER MODE. I am using "Cinema" on my LG CX, but I am glad the name of the presets is now consistent. I am the go-to friend/family member for TV recommendations, and I always recommend getting the LG B-series or C-series or G-series (depending on their budget). And when I tell them to turn on FILMMAKER MODE for everything, it now makes more sense.
The LG remote is actually the best on the market because of its motion control
Try using a samsung and see how many times you have to press (or press and HOLD) the same button to get ANY kind of response from the TV... and how many sub menus you have to press just to get to something as simple as changing inputs (6 just to get to the input menu, then many more to select the input you want)
I think he means the build quality. It's cheap plastic, not backlit and the print on the buttons fade off over time
I wasn't complaining about its functionality, but rather the cheap-looking black plastic which gets covered in fingerprints and the buttons become a mess over time and doesn't have a backlight. A TV at this level of the market should have a metal remote made from quality materials and match the design of the TV - but with the functionality we already have.
That remote - jesus...
It's one of the biggest frustrations I have with the G series TVs. Now they have fixed the issue with the stand, I hope they fix the remote next, fingers crossed.
Even the print on some of the buttons on my remote are fading off. It's really baffling how LG can still ship such a cheap remote with an expensive TV.
You can but the signature one, but it’s an extra cost 😮😊
@@avforumsstand looks primitive
I like the remote.... Best I've ever used. 👌
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what a nice premium remote does the M4 have why doesnt the G4 have the same remote ? ! im so annoyed with this same not premium looking remote for so many years for a premium tv
To be fair I love the LG magic remote.. It's so easy to control your TV with it. Yes, it looks a bit cheap and it has no backlit buttons, but the usability really makes up for it in my opinion.
I totally agree. I love the functionality of the magic remote. We might be the only 2 people that do though, lol.
@@tylerstirling2843 Make that 3.
Nope I like it too. Most ppl complain about the wand cursor, but I just use the up, down, left , right instead.
Thank you for being fair.
I mean, what's a worse remote? It's complete and utter rubbish
11:30 "when it comes to image quality, it's a very slight step up on the G3...if you own the G3 it's not worth the upgrade" - PHEW! signed, 77G3 owner with perpetual case of FOMO
Don’t keep on about the remote it great it works great
Upgrading my CX65 for the G465 this week. Looking forward to seeing the improvements.
Its woth it ?only brightness?
Been bantering a bit about the G4 vs C4. Might just go with G4 since I keep my TVs for many years.
Love the shirt
I never would have guessed G4 would be so much brighter than G3 that already doubled the brightness from G2. This is the best time to live in if you are a technology freak.
I wouldn’t say doubled. I am excited about the 83inch model whenever it does come out
They had to coz samsung was killing them
@@RZLK-02 I have the S95B😜
@stanmarsh8012 nerfed or are u on older firmware?
So much brighter than the G3 is a stretch lol.
Dang, 50 fps
What do you think about upscaling of DVD, Blu-Ray and 4k media discs using the LG-G4
Upscaling performance is excellent, even with low-resolution sources like DVD.
is the G2 still a good buy? It is being deeply discounted currently.
You don't get MLA with the G2 and the step up to G3 was pretty significant, if your budget can stretch I would seek out a G3 if you can.
@@avforums Thanks for this insight, the G3 is double the price of G2 currently. Not sure I can stretch that far. What about the C3? Is that a better option over G2? Thanks again.
No, the C3 is very much the same as the C2 model, with no significant upgrades. The big upgrade was adding MLA and Meta technology to the G3. It may yet fall a little more in price now the G4 is available and dealers will need to shift stock.
I sadly had an accident with my G3 last month which broke the panel.
I'm going to treat myself with this one now, because the much better stand alone is already worth the upgrade to me. It's already in delivery. Can't wait, I'm glad there are no drawbacks, only improvements! Thanks for the thorough testing!
@lunchspecialMinglouwhat’s a looser?
@@JurassicF4rt Shame so deep they delete the post.
I want so bad this tv. But its going to cost a motorcycle here in Brazil.
I am living in the Philippines, and apparently the retailers here are cheaping out when it comes to the included stand that you'll get literally everywhere else in the world. It is simply not possible to get it, besides directly from LG. So if you want to get this TV here, you are either forced to place it on a wall, or pay a premium price on top of the TV to get the stand from LG.
The picture may be great but the G4 has its issues. My one commonly crashes when using the default web browser, and sometimes when in the settings menus response will slow down then freeze. I then have to turn the TV off unplug it, then plug it in again. Then it loses the sound output that was last selected. It has LG soundbar connected by hdmi earc, the tv is set to use the soundbar and the tv speakers for sound output. On powerup the output to the tv speakers is lost, and if I do not interven quickly enough the sound output is change to a bluetooth sound system that I listen to music on. This is not acceptable on a TV of this price, or any TV for that matter.
The remote.... i don't understand why the continue not to listen. Especially for the bigger flagship TV's.
It's one of the biggest frustrations I have with the G series TVs. Now they have fixed the issue with the stand, I hope they fix the remote next, fingers crossed.
I think the remote on my old E6 looks much better than the current ones.
I feel like tv has almost peaked, I can’t see 8k taking off anytime soon and 4k been mainstream for a decade or so, it’s really nit picking for features, until the source format changes again they’re all pretty much the same, also people watch garbage quality content from streaming services and terrestrial so doesn’t matter how good the tv is! 😅
Yes it does. The better the processor, the better the garbage quality content will look due to better upscaling. So it matters a lot how good the tv is
@@stevenhocking6407 really splitting hairs at the G4 level though 🤷🏻♂️
Crazy that you’re showcasing it behind you with such a dim image. Show off how impressively bright this model is for crying out loud lol
Constraints of the current testing room while we wait for the new test room to be built. I needed to balance lighting and the TV against clipping on camera. However, saying all that, you should never assess TV image quality on any TH-cam video as it is compressed and limited in dynamic range from the camera to how TH-cam compress the final video.
1500nits peak? LG said this is a 3000nits TV, what happened?
LG figures are on a 2% window in vivid mode. Nobody in their right mind would ever watch a TV in such a mode. In the accurate Filmmaker mode, it measures in at 1500 nits.
the smaller the measurement window and the more the inaccurate PM, the higher the measurement will be. on a 2 or 3 percent window in vivid PM, it may measure close to 3000 nits but on a 10% window in FMM, it will be 1400-1500 nits. some difference will exist from panel to panel because of panel variance and the measurement equipment used.
What is a bit disappointing is the G4 hasn't budged in any meaningful way over G3 in full screen brightness. I was hoping 300 nits. ~220 nits is meh.
@@avforums Thanks for explaining, I agree, Vivid mode is horrible
I’ve heard that you get last years stand with the 77’’
It will vary from country to country.
@@avforums Can you confirm which stand we get in the UK please for the 77’’
Just picked up my 55" G4 today from BB, will go next to my 55" A95L in my GameRoom, so far very impressed with the clarity...
Closer than you thought. 😂 I been on AVForums with ppl who own both sets its basically a stalemate between G4 and A95L.
@@CaliFinestDemon After back and forth last night for about 4 hours, I can definitely confirm the A95L still has superior color, the G4 is brighter, and has a little more shadow detail in DV…
@bigcdub Yes it has better color volume but from what im seeing not "superior" more like a small leap, tho that was a given due to the QD OLED.
@@CaliFinestDemon I’m telling you from owning both, and what’s in front of me. It definitely has superior color volume, it’s QD-Oled v WOLED, I’ll be calibrating it next for further testing, but I’ll definitely keep this one, I sent the G3 back last year for the S95C…
Modded s95c crushes them both
I'm so confused because the main TV I'm waiting for is the Panasonic Oled z95a but I could buy the lg g3 now for just under £2000 an then there is obviously the better lg g4🤪, so it's driving me crazy what to do.
My advice would be that if there is no rush, wait to see how these TVs perform, check out the owner's threads at AVForums to see how people are finding them in their homes, and while you wait the pricing will also be better down the line. I hope that helps!
I currently have a MZ2000 and looking to return it due to problems with HDR material (I had 3 LZ2000s before this and they also had the same problem!). I've been looking at the G3. Just bear in mind, if internal sound is important, the Panasonic is way better than the G3 and possibly the G4. If I go the G3 route I'll be needing a soundbar.
Panasonic is overrated..built in soundbar just increases the price..u can get much soundbars n connect to ur g3/g4
Excellent review as always Phil. I am waiting for the Panasonic Z95A release and review. Do you know when it is in the shops?
I don't have any official information at the moment
My G3 ain’t going anywhere, don’t plan to replace for at least 5 years
What about if youre in the market for a 42". Is the C4 worth it over C3?
I've been out the loop for some time, I'm in the market for an upgrade, are Panasonic not even in the running these days?
It really depends on what you need from a TV and your use case. If it is just film and TV viewing in ideal conditions with high quality sources, the Panasonic is still very much a contender and the new Z95A looks very interesting.
@@avforumsthank you.
Would have upgraded my 42 c2 but i need 42" why they gimping the options for those using it at a desk?
Keep the c2 or look at qd oled monitors
@@wakaflockaproject I had the alienware one but sent it back, curve not for me, no audio out, some firmware bugs. Waiting for a DP 2.1 monitor to come out
@@Malinkadink s90D seems a good set but a shame no 42 and 48 variants
@@wakaflockaproject Yeah I would have gotten an S90D if it had a smaller size, QD-OLED is desirable, but after having used a 48CX at the same distance I use a the 42C2 there is just no way I can live with a 55 inch at 4ft viewing distance.
Do you know when will OLED TVs be using Blue PHOLED! When you spend that kind of cash TVs should be acurate and customers shouldn’t have to shell out for a calibration!
I think the testing of windows only show the general brightness increase. But it doesn't show the "booster" tech that increases the specular highlights at 3% and less happening in actual content.
So I bet those times it is "boosting" these HDR small highlights the nits can be higher than 1500 nits. I don't think it's something that can be tested as easily.
Also if someone wants to use vivid, yeah I know. Then the brightness is likely higher from the start as well. Wouldn't surprise me if you just tested vivid the window brightness at 10% would be far higher than 1448 nits. Not accurate FMM to be sure. But just saying it's there.
Can you please test the De-Judder 10/10 in 30FPS games to see how big is the input lag?
I am using De-Judder in gaming on my C3 but I am curious if the new Alpha 11 processor will give you lower input lag vs the Alpha 9.
Thank you.
You are right about the trash control. I have an LG t.v and the control it’s just trashed. I now replaced it for a Samsung because of the control.
Another great review! Can you confirm if the wall mount WB22EGB is compatible with the G4?
With LG Ultra Gear announcing a 4K 240hz monitor, this year's G4 and C4 TV's are a massive yawn fest IMO.
I. Just got the 77 lg g4 ,but I need to tweak the settings,can you recommend a good settings review
Anyone know. Decent stand for a G3 , looking to replace my lg b9 oled, thanks
Nice, glad a stand comes with it and looks like a decent one and is black, not cheap grey looking thing from last year, which had stability issues.
Unless the G3 comes in 83inch with MLA tech I'd say you certain have to go with this model then. being that everyone else on this level stops at 77inch
will be upgrading to a G4 from a C9 👍🏼
I have the 77” cx would the G4 77” be a notable improvement
Can you recommend a much better 3rd party remote for my LG G4?
At same price 77“ G4 or 85“ Bravia 9 ?
Hi, what's the input lag measurement for 4k @ 144hz?