FOMO 👋👋 I was gon get the 55" TCL QM7 for $499 at Best Buy but I ended up getting the 55" LG G4 for $1799 do you think the G4 will be cheaper on Black Friday? 🤔 Should I get the QM7 instead? 🤔
The more they focus their R&D and production on QD Oled and Micro-Led's, the sooner the prices will come down, the better for our wallets as consumers ... cause i aint payin $5000 for an 65 inch 8K LCD tv while i can get an QD-oled for less than half the price, with the better picture.
@@albertodelrio5966 That's the point. Why spend money on R&D when it can be directed to larger mini-LEDs panels where burn-in isn't an issue. It workd better for their sales in the end.
@@JamesDarden mini LED is the future. OLED will never fix burn in, its literally just how OLED works. OLED will always have burn in even 40 years from today.
Working at Best Buy for over 8 years, 90% of the customers would state they don’t see a difference between and oled an a standard led tv. What they did was get the biggest tv and then use the tv speakers. Didn’t matter how much we would show them direct comparison for the picture quality or how the tv sucks compared to even the standard soundbars. Not saying it’s right but just like streaming people want to pay as little as possible for the most they can get.
I work at Walmart in electronics and I see that too. People tend to ask "What's the biggest TV I can get for $300" That seems to be where the average consumer is. Makes me sad.
@@kain2875in the USA TVs are affordable to the poor and low income, and I believe this public isnt very refined when it comes to tech. Here in Brazil any TV bigger than 50 only the high middle class and above can afford.
Samsung Electronics is lucky that Samsung Display kept developing QDO & that they eventually got forced to market it. Imagine their short term outlook without it.
AGREED, and even then they tried NOT to sell QD OLED TVs, remember? They hid it in the back at most Best Buys when the S95B originally launched 2 years ago
Source material is the difference. If you watch cable or TH-camTV and streaming platforms then improved image quality doesn’t move the needle. If you game and watch 4K Blu Rays with HDR then it does.
@@16xthedetail76 For an enthusiast like you or me it DOES matter. But the sales figures don’t lie. People will buy size over PQ most times. That’s what move the needle means. Not that the improvement doesn’t exist. It just doesn’t matter especially given the lower quality sources most people watch.
Problem is, most people will try 4k HDR on TVs with mediocre picture quality and decide that HDR doesn't even make a difference. There not completely wrong. On the TV that isn't OLED, QD-OLED or very high end LED, it won't look like a worthwhile upgrade. Which then makes physical media more niche because 4k streaming looks as good as 1080p blurays, so why get them. The biggest difference in streaming is the sound but it seems that most people don't care about that either. It boggles my mind.
Excellent analysis. I'm right at the purchasing point you've described. My 6 year old 4K projector is in for a repair estimate so I had to ask myself how much money should I throw towards an aging unit when very large screen TV's are available and have come down in price so much. The reason I went for a projector was to get an immersive large screen but now there are alternatives. I use my TV/projector as my PC screen so OLED burn in makes that technology a non-starter. Even if I started using a laptop as my PC screen the price versus large screen is too much for me to select OLED. Just yesterday I was at Best Buy to see both an 85" and 98" TCL QM8 plus Hisense and all the other large screen competitors. I ended up lusting after the 98" TCL QM8, so right now I'm waiting to see what my projector's repair estimate comes to as with seasonal sales that 98" is within my stretch budget reach.
@@SLICK8116 I watched a few TV repairman videos. They are saying Samsung's Quality has dropped drastically over the past few years. (Planned Obsolesce). I would love to see FOMO and his friends (WhisperStatus74) address these issues when talking about the new models.
Yep I think you're right. I can't count the number of ads recently displaying 85" to 100"+ TVs. It's only larger TVs, and I'm usually interested in 65" max.. 😅 But it works... All the hype and reduced price for larger TVs now makes me consider purchasing a 77" instead for my next buy... It's a wild time for TV enthousiats.
I got 65 in 2018, then 77 in 2023 and now I am planning 85-90 by 2030. Never going to buy smaller TV than 77” I think 77” is now perfect size for most and 85” will be optimal for bigger rooms.
The biggest improvement in TV picture quality would be if the day ever comes when more broadcasts and streams are in 4K. 4K TV's for the most part do a great job displaying a quality image if given a quality source and at what point will the human eye see the difference in higher resolution like the failed 8K? I wish the push in technology was in that direction instead of TV manufacturers trying to keep improving upscaling low bit rate content to try to make it look better in 4K. When I have been at stores watching a salesman showing what I will call average customers TV's they almost always going for the one cheaper in price. Could be strictly a budget decision or they just don't see a big enough difference in picture quality to justify the price increase of the other TV which is what Fomo was talking about. I almost never see the average customer look at the TV from the side to notice how washed out the picture looks on most LCD TV's when viewing off angle. Sometimes I have had customers ask me what I think. I try to stay out of their buying decision but the one thing I have suggested to them is if their budget allows it get the biggest size TV they can afford because the immersion impact is real. For us enthusiasts of course we want the best picture quality we can get but even most of us have a price breaking point where we say that picture is good enough than the more expensive TV.
Great video. Comments are great too. I’m laughing, watching this video on iPad and watching 48 hours on my 12 year old Panasonic plasma VT52. The picture is beautiful. It’s going to the bedroom to live out it’s life and replacing with. 65” something in next few weeks. C’ mon flash sales? 🤓🥳😂🤘 This video tells me I need to look at a few more brands. 👍
Paying 20% to get 80% quality will always win against paying 100% for a 100% of the quality, let alone the fact that right now we can pay 20% for 90-95% of the quality.
Also, Samsung's 2024 model's started at about $1000 more than the similar model 2023 models. Waaaaay overpriced!! Then the sales knock it down $1000 like they have done something for you. That basically puts it back to where it should have started in the first place!! WTH is going on?? Samsung better get their shitz together!! And I'm a Samsung guy!!
I noticed this also!! Having watched Samsungs pricing closely since the q90B, I ended up getting the 65” QN90C for $1500 no tax, but now they go for less than $1300. The same prices for the D series is now close to the C series prices this time last year and imo they are worse pic quality than the C series. 🎉
Absolutely agree. I have a 2 year old 85" QN90BA and I am probably going to replace it with a TCL or Hisense 100" in the $3500 price range. The value proposition is too good to ignore. Also, it's not like Samsung has been doing a good job with their TV operating system. Mine has been glitchy since day one and remains glitchy after several updates. I would rather use a good streaming box vs the native smartTV stuff on the QN90BA. A Sony would be nice, but they are at least as overpriced as Samsung at this point.
I perfectly understand the message. I own a 65" Oled looking to go slightly larger to 75/77". Due to price of Oled at those sizes, I'm looking at mid-tier mini LED as they are good enough at this point. I could grab a 75" Qm8 for $1300 on Black Friday vs $2000+ for Oled 77". Can I afford 77" Oled? Sure can. Do I want to spend almost double for one? Not anymore. I don't keep them for very long time.
Is there a long-term mass market for 90+ inch TVs? That seems like a really niche audience. There might be an uptick but that doesn't seem like a sustainable market. The US for example, most people don't even live in a house.
Excellent point, but Best Buy's research team has determined that this is where consumers are going and have begun renovating their stores to show off 98" TVs
I just replaced 2 of the 4 75 inch TVs I have with two 100 inch TVs and when they come out with a 150 inch one I will be replacing them too 🤪 After you go big there is no going back 😅
I'm with ya, I can afford a 90-100" TV but I'm not the least bit attracted to them. Wayy too big for my space and most peoples spaces, especially when you only sit 8 feet back from your TV like most people do. Plus I'm a gamer, the more you stretch the image the less detailed it is. I want that sharp detail I get on a 65 or 75 inch. Don't want to stretch it any more than that. Seems like one of those things that will be "cool" at Walmart for awhile though lol
Yeah for picture quality they are all good enough ; I can live with bravia 3 it is other differences like design size speakers and features that drive me through options picture is the last .
I want a quality TV that will last at least 8 years. If an expensive TV can't last that long being on for 10 hours per day. Then your investment in an expensive TV is wasted. I got 12 years out of a cathode ray tube Sony Trinintron TV, which was probably the best in its era. I own 2 Samsung 1080p TVs. Both are slightly over 5 years old now. No problems. My next TV will be a 4K type.
I get your point. But i disagree with not improving tech. Companies should always innovate and improve. Whatever improvement TV makers make, eventually with time it will translate into a cheaper mid range or lower tier model. Take the QM7 for example; if improvement stops and they only forced on size, then we wouldn't have a 98" QM7 with this level of image improvement(brightness, mini-led, local dimming) at that price. Also we don't have to buy flagship Tvs if you can't and TV makers doesn't need to produce too much flagship Tvs either and focus more on mid and lower tier. But keep the improvements and innovations going.
I'm torn with a similar choice for an 83" OLED. Go with the Samsung S90C or pick the LG G4. They look very similar to me, but the 5 year panel warranty is swaying me towards the G4.
Here in the EU, the price of the TCL C855 (QM8?) is almost the same (sometimes even higher) as similarly sized OLED models like the S90D and LG C4. Chinese companies are currently focused on capturing the US market, but they will likely increase their prices once they have disrupted the "traditional" players.
IMO what is needed is what Samsung used to and may still be researching and developing. The "QNED" the Quantum Nano-rod Emissive display. Basically in-organic "OLED". It would eliminate MiniLED and OLED all together. If it can be easily produced and come down in price from initial costs. Because it would be 100% OLED blacks, but no burn in risk at all. No ASBL dimming all the colors will be there and brightness as well etc. Almost a holy grail TV. Or quite simply if they can replace the organic blue in QD OLED with in-organic one. Or some "white in organic" and then if somehow blue can be incorporated into Quantum dots.
Bigger is not always better. I spend most of my time replacing backlights on TV's that are only a few years old. The biggest issue i have with Samsung are that the backlights run so hot that it damages the reflective prism sheet and this is visible with new backlights, new sheets are very expensive. This is with 50 to 65" TV's, now you are saying they are about to make over 100" TV's so guess what will happen if they are ran at high brigtness and contrast levels. These monsters will require two people to lift and repair them. Thankfully i will be retired before the warranties expire.
Bigger means more space to spread out heat. I would assume the smaller denser the tv the hotter it runs. I wonder if use case is factored in. Running any tv at max brightness without varying content on bright content for hours would stress any Tv. The small QD-OLED monitors have fans in them as the pixels are dense and get hot when the panel is pushed towards max nits.
@@Horvat04 Thank you, Re Panasonic their upper range models are exellent, but the lower and mid range ones that are sold in discount stores and supermakets are not made or designed by them, they are outsourced to Vestel in Turkey and tend to have a shortrt lifespan, but at least the spares are cheaper. These days you can either pay a bit more for a premium brand that comes with a long warranty or buy cheaper ones that you are prepared to replace or have repaired when they fail
@@Barbarapape i see, im planning to buy the mini led flagship by panasonic from 2023 in 75 inches. There is literally no info about the lifespann regarding mini led tvs. Do you had one?
@@Horvat04 I have never seen any brand of mini led TV for repair yet. Most will still be under warranty and go to the brands approved repair agents. All i can advise is to buy from a store that includes a long warranty, it takes a few years for any new panel tech to prove how long they will last. Rtings might be worth a look to see if they have had any failures.
I suspect many buyers have physical size constraints on how large a TV will work in their space. I'm stuck at 65 because I enjoy having four of them on one wall.
Size, by far, makes the biggest difference. My 77" A80J, is way way better to watch movies on, than my 65" A95k qdoled. You will barely miss any pq difference, but the size is a huge difference in immersion. No you can't just sit closer. The size of the objects on the screen are more life size, that doesn't change with your seating distance.
@@unasistent I'm about 11' from my 77" and 9' from my 65". Sitting closer helps with the viewing angle, but that's not the full story for immersion. Hold an Ipad 6" from your face and tell me it's the same feeling you get, as watching a 77" TV from 11' or more even. The bigger TV makes things more lifelike or larger than life. Your brain knows what size something is on the screen, regardless of distance.
Needed this video. It’s perfect! I wanted the s90D 83” or s95D but since seeing the 98” crystal 9000D I’m going for shear size than better image. Big jump 83” to 98”. Or wait two years for quantum mini led
I think image quality is where it needs to be now. What I want TV manufacturers to focus on is reliability. I have my current TV with 13 months now and after 6 months the dirty screen effect started showing. With the past week when I turn on the TV the screen lights up but nothing shows. I have to put it into standby and turn it on again for an image to show. When I bought the TV 13 months ago I registered for the 2 year warranty and I paid for a 6 year no quibble warranty with richer sounds. For the first 2 years it's up to Philips to repair or replace the TV after that if the TV fails richer sounds will replace it with a similarly priced TV if they can't repair it. It seems reliability in TVs has declined a lot in the past 8 - 10 years. In 2021 I bought a Philips 58pus8535 for €700 and the screen gave up just after 13 months.
Phosphorent blue doesn't make the tv a lot more expensive. Yes they would recoup the r&d but apart from that, the material expense would be the same. The advantage is that phosphorent blue would be very efficient and hence the power supply and the thermal solution can handle brightter full screen brightness. How about an oled that can handle 600-800nits of full screen brightness. That would be revolutionary
Samsung has regrettably been a marketing first company and it has cost them dearly over the years. Living in a city where having a one thousand square foot condo is considered huge, a 65" TV is large and given this restriction OLED is the only way to go.
It’s funny you mention the iPad Pro, because my exact plan was to buy the iPad this year if and ONLY if they give it a bigger screen size. Same as the TV market, I’d bet a lot of iPad users would’ve poured their money into a larger display. I’m also a digital artist and among my friends who also have iPads, I can say with certainty that a lot of them would’ve loved to see a 16” or even 20” “iPad Canvas” type device. Size 100% matters lol
Picture quality is important to me so I bought a Sony Master Series 77" A9G OLED in Feb. 2021 for $4,000 as its older price of $4,500 dropped to clear it out for a new model. BUT, here's an example of where an owner of a top quality OLED would see ALL of his friends INSTANTLY choose to view a budget priced LED TV in his home, over an OLED in a game room that's the 55" model of Sony's A95L that won the Value Electronics Flat Panel Shoot Out. The budget priced TV is Samsung's 98" LED that sells for about $1,850. But when their host notes that the group can enjoy higher PQ if they see the Monday Night Football game on his 55" OLED instead of viewing it on the 98" LED that's in a spacious living room, the football night host hears his buddies quickly erupt in laughter, and one of them says "You must be kidding us to say you think we'd enjoy seeing the game more on that little TV!" Yes, I'm very critical of picture quality, but it's easy to realize why that puts me in a minority. But I MUST admit that in that case of football, I'd prefer seeing it on the 98" Samsung TOO!
I enjoy this gentleman’s research and explanations. His insights are remarkable and relevant. I am shopping for a newer and larger TV this November (55” to a 65”) -room size limitation-. A 2016 Samsung 55” works fine except for the Smartapps feature. Streaming pauses to “load buffer” or appears to not be able to keep up. So really appreciate these presentations Bob
If your picture is still good, just buy a streaming stick for $20-40. You'll be able to use all the apps with quick response. If the TV is starting to fail, then yeah, just get a new one.
Maybe im not in the majority--but my reality is that i dont have the space in my apt for a 100 inch tv, honestly anything past a 65 something inches tv is already starting to push it. 70 and 80 inches tv 's are absolutely monstrous.
I agree with Samsung I’m a best Geeksquad double agent most tv installed is 98 in du7200 and du9000 . Only few customers buy high end tvs. Also 85-to 100 inch tcl and Hisense under 2000$. I myself sold my 83 oled to buy 98 inch TCL qm8 . I feel like I have more for my money
Yes, they are "going into" it by partnering with other companies to see how they can improve manufacturing to lower costs but apparently, this investment is losing momentum as the TV industry as a whole has shifted away from microLED for consumer TVs - this appears to be more for custom installations where the display costs above $50,000.
It's been said before, and it's never turned out to be true. R&D may be slowing down, but I can't see any company abandoning it completely. We've had the resolution wars (SDTV vs HDTV vs Full HD vs Ultra HD vs 8K). We've had the contrast wars (Plasma vs LCD and OLED vs LCD). We've had the brightness wars. Now we're in the midst of the size wars. As home internet speeds continue to improve the demand for better quality will pop up again. There is obviously still room for improvement.
Great explanation of my situation. Every year, I was waiting for the best OLED TV to get bigger, and every year, there were bigger and cheaper mini LED TVs that made me wait for another year. I think as Samsung goes bigger, it should not give up on 8K, but focus more on AI upscaling chips.
I have the S90D but I noticed that the display is like bent, when seeing from the side I can see the that the thin layer is deformed I should return it right?
I don't like Samsung reliability but they are visionary when it come to read and anticipate the market trend, i'm enthusiast about image quality and at 8 feets distance i still debating my next upgrade between oled flagship 65" or 85" inch lcd(since my actual TV is a 42 inch edge led back to 2013) is very hard choice especially i don't have infinite money to upgrade ever 2 years
Split the difference and get 77" OLED? At 8 feet away, a 65" TV might look a little small, but it depends on your preferences. I sit 7 feet from a 65" OLED and I think it's slightly too small, but everyone who watches my TV says it looks too big when they first sit down (they don't complain during a movie though haha)
I decided to buy the 75” B7 instead of the B9 for the same reason - I felt like the picture quality was so close that it didn’t justify the higher price! And this is after knowing all the technical details and the results of your shootouts!
For me its quality over Size first but there is a limit. I would never go below my last TV size. But i went for a 77" oled even tho there were 85" TV's. Later upgraded to a 83A90J I would love to have a 97"or bigger MicroLED or OLED but the current 97" do not have MLA or QDOLED. Once those become available and the price goes down quite a bit i might look in to it. The 55 A95L vs the 98QM7 is a hard one. I guess i would go for a LG 77 C4 instead.
Agreed. But the question is would OLED technology allow it to be just as cheap to produce vs led TVs? What happens when you have the chinese inkjet printing OLEDs? I don't know the answer but just wondering if there's a path for OLEDS to get just as large yet be just as price competitive
Image quality can and needs to be improved further. Top mini-LEDs don't offer the same level of eye comfort or microcontrast or blacks as OLEDs. Top OLEDs still lack shadow details, sometimes lack colour accuracy, and are still affected by burn-in risk. I really like how 8K looks and how crisp it makes borders around objects. Would love to see 8K tvs with more dimming zones, QDEL, Quantum Nanorod LEDs, and Tandem PHOLED.
that 98 inch QM7 is 1999 at walmart. That's a great price for such a large mini led. Mini LED is still improving every year so I'm not worried that image quality is stagnating, but it seems like Samsung and Sony are following the Chinese.
Dang i was hoping this would not be the case, but most people i know care more about screen size , then quality. They step up a series or 2 but will go for size. Hopefully tv makers will find a way ROI R&D....
1st off: I think everyone should watch this video!! 🎉 2nd: to answer your question, I’d be happy with quality equal or greater than my 65QN90C (B9, QM8) but without question need bigger than 75”. My main argument is for ANY bedroom tv, you’re starting at a minimum of 8 feet viewing distance if you factor a normal size bed. That means anything less than 77” isn’t within that prime viewing immersion distance. However, 77” and up should be the focus and I’m hoping the quality still gets better and comes down in price as big TVs get cheaper! I think Sony could sell a 98/100/110” version of their B7/B9 if they priced it under $5k. That said, with tcl coming out with their QM951/2, and the new Hisense UX models, big minileds will be the best option. I do wish, more than anything they would somehow reduce prices on 83” OLED everything! Lastly, Samsungs new policies on selling your info like LG, imo is bad business and I hope people catch on to what they are doing! 🎉
The whole tv industry is a lie. 77” is 67.4” wide. Explain the reason for telling people the diagonal dimension. There is no reason to have such a dimension for a tv, it serves no purpose. Guess it helps the people that hang their TVs diagonally (haven’t met them yet, but they must exist?).
I think you are right. As long as there's no significant blooming or dse We are at the point of diminishing returns. I have an S90c and after looking at this yrs crop of TVs I couldn't really tell the difference and didn't see anything that would justify not only the hige price premiums they are asking this yr, but the full cost of replacing a tv. Even if you go up in size, you will get used to it after about 2 weeks. With that said, I wouldn't mind giving the TCL a look because I really loved the QM8 85. I was fully prepared to keep that TV but the Vertical Banding and DSE made it unwatchable. A 98 inch version that's 98 percent close woth zero blooming is a no brainer.
I’m so glad you brought this topic up!! 🎉 Samsungs best year was the C series imo. Now they’ve sold everything and I have my doubts they will come out with anything good in extra large TVs. Samsungs QC is downhill. Even LG has a new 98” bottom barrell cheap model tv on their website. It’s like $2400 not on sale yet
glad more companies are making larger screens. competition drives fair market pricing. watch the price on those 115" and 110" tv's fall through the floor. I'll take a 120+ inch tv please for my great room for $2,500.
In the 10 yers when you want to build the house you want to build a house open space no wall now before you build your house you need to buy big TV and do giant wall and close your house for the TV and you don't have 5 6 10 meter for the TV it's all wall🥴🙃🤔
It's all about Hisense today. They are the ones that offer the most value today. As for image quality improvements, we reached the point of diminishing returns, TVs are so good that minuscule improvements in image quality are negligible. And yes, us consumers are happy with the way TVs are. Image quality is fine as it is, better integration with sound systems, higher frame rates, more inputs and outputs are all more important that tiny image quality enhancements.
@@ThamilNesanmy 2000 Hisense 75 H8G just went bad yesterday, powers on then shuts off before picture comes on, typical of power supply issue. But I was happy with the tv, wife works from home, tv was on 18 hours a day for almost 4 years. So I got around 25,000 hours of use out of it.
@@rotwiler7674Thank you OH that's Great for the price you paid for using 18hrs/ day for 4years as 25,000hrs , wow really good sense, did you see any color fainting or dead gray area on corner ( Sony has that issue after two years of long hours usage) , I am thinking about buying 85 inch Hisense U8N but that's VA panel lower local dimming zone 75 inch Hisense 3000 dimming zone with ADS pro panel which looks like OLED deep black eyed pop up picture quality and I don't know why they use VA panel for with lower dimming zones for 85" 😠
BS. Go outside 20degree viewing angle and most TVs today suffer vastly. There's still a lot of improvement left in TV tech. We haven't even begun. OLED is not the solution because of burn in.
No, I do not think they are done chasing picture quality. I think we might go another 5 or 10 years on this plateau, but Mini-LED and OLED still have flaws and once the market is saturated with large screens they we'll need something to sell. They always need a next best thing and the screen size race I think is going to be very short. Once you have cheap large tvs it's going to be even harder to get people to upgrade. I think they're caught up in some recency bias. People like the Idea having large screens and they're seeing growth in a category of 100 inch plus screens that didn't exist before. What I think will happen is the XXL sizes will become the enthusiast option and when it stabilizes. I think they're going to find out that its smaller demographic of people who are willing to buy those XXL screens at any price point because of the sheer size. So I think they'll pivot back to quality because screen size a short term solution
I think the reason for why the iPad isn’t selling is more due to the fact that it still can’t do MacBook things and you can buy a MacBook Air for around the same price as the iPad Pro Apple needs to sort that out. I would have bought one if they just made it to laptop things I already have a MacBook but I would use it less if the iPad had a touch version of Mac OS.
9:01 I don't. I had a 58" Philips TV two years ago and I would love to buy another 58" TV. I'm currently using a 50"TV and there's a big difference between the 50" and 58". I think 58" is the best compromise between 55" and 65". Of course 60" would be better but I don't think any manu facture has made a 60" TV in well over 10 years. The only 58" TV I can find here in Ireland is a hisrnse and I e seen a lot of negative reviews on it on Amazon. Some people received the TV damaged or some turned on the TV and the screen was damaged which you couldn't see when it's turned off or some complain that it stopped working after a short period.
Samsung mini led hasn’t improved in like 4 years. They just repackage the qn90 and add a new letter while selling the same exact tv.. the Qn90a and the qn90d were released 4 years apart but are the same exact tv with the same # of dimming zones. The only difference might be a new processor but that’s it. Every other high end mini led will add more dimming zones to each model every year but not the qn90, it’s stuck at 720 on the 65 inch
FOMO .....clapping..........your speaking correctly on the subject. The korean companies like Samsung and LG need to wake up and provide the OLED displays at bigger sizes( more sizes and options) and lower PRICE for the average consumer to purchase. Is higher color volume nice ... yes, is more brightness nice....yes, .......but will the everyday content fully take advantage of the tv to make the average Joe care...not enough. I have seen it in live action during the tv selection process and installations.
Size always trumps quality. This was evident when CRTs lost out to LCD. Although heavy and inefficient, CRTs were always far better in picture quality. It took me years to get used to LCD computer monitors because they looked awful coming from a CRT.
As others have said, the companies should work on hardware reliability more than picture quality since most people only watch TH-cam and Netflix which most mini led TV handle well.
I am in the UK. I wonder how many people with average sized homes have rooms large enough to accommodate a 100" TV without it over dominating the room.
I went Bravia 8 vs A95L. I keep telling myself, return the 8 and get the 95. But the Bravia 8 is 95% there for HALF the cost. So far, the 8 is still sitting here. I even considered going to the Panasonic W95A simply because of Color Accuracy out of the box. I watch a LOT of 30 min sitcoms and movies are occasions. not the norm.
The big problem today of Sony the OLED TV is not flagship no XR chipset and no all the feature is in the menu the company line to us is all big bulshit you pay a lot of money and you get medium to medium - television a lot of the technology is not in the TV 😤
I just read a CNBC report about Hisense I made a TV Sponsorship Deal with FIFA World Cup. The CEO projects it will be the No.1 Brand in just 2 years also in 2 years and be a Top Home Appliance White Brand, assuming it will be LG, Samsung,and Hisense it will be in some type of order. We will have to wait until 2027 or 2028 as to whether or not that holds true in 2026. There is a lot of lag time to figure out what company will be the No.1 TV brand.
All most people ( non-videophiles ) want is larger TV's . This issue has been raging for years . I went to BB the other day and the LG C4 48" looked amazing and actually better than the larger C4 55" == pixel density , smaller space , better picture overall . I would rather buy the 48" over the 55" because of a slightly better picture , but I am not ' most people ' . I really thought you were going to talk about Tizen's last remaining days . Next video , take care , Dreamer
It really depends on how far you're sitting from the TV. I recently moved to a new house where my couch is farther from the TV. At the new distance, my 55" LG CX looked too small, so I upgraded to a 65" C3. The sharpness looks the same, but it's a much nicer experience since it doesn't feel like I need binoculars to watch TV
True, they are are telling us bigger is better than a smaller better tv. I personally think it is crazy to have a TV bigger than 77 inches unless you have a ton of money to buy the best 83,85 or bigger tvs. I have a 100in screen and a projector plus 65 and 55in tvs. Plus, a 83 or larger TV is a monster to deal with.
I tried logging into Samsung's website with my AAA account. I didn't see the $1874.99 price showing in your video I saw $2249.99. Did you use a different website to get that price to display?
Hmm, well I just want to say right now now I went from a 55 inch samsung ks8500, to a Sony x95k about 2 years ago I think it was, where I just want to say I like it, my next upgrade was going to be a qd oled, but that wil only happen if Samsung continues to make qd plans TV’s and continues to increase the size of the tv panel… I’m probably going to wait for a 120” tv, if one is made hopefully with qd oled technology…
Oh no, FOMO!! I was hoping Samsung would compete and come out with an 83" or 85" QD OLED in the future to compete with LG, Sony, or Panasonic. Really enjoy my 77" S90d.
the problem with TVs larger than 100 inch is that they don't fit in homes so the target consumer base is extremely small compared to say 85 or even 98. like the 98 inch tv barely fits in a normal home in the US anything bigger and you market becomes multi millionaires only
What i really want is faster. I will not upgrade until i can get 480hz. I don't care about brighter. Size is already decent because is sit close to it. If i got larger i would need to move back. I think there is more limited amount of customers who want 100+ sizes than they think. Because most cant fit something that large. But there is a pent up demand for cheaper ultra large for sure.
Its a stopgap measure. No one is going to put a tv bigger than 115 in their living room. They will put video walls which. Are tiles and modular. You just keep buying more tiles and grow your tv. 115 inch samsungs is stop gap measure till video walls.
StopTheFomo: In your opinion, which current mini-led is the better model between the TCL QM80G1, or the Hisense U9N? Also, how many zones does the TCL 75" have? I know the 65" has 2880 dimming zones. (They measured 3500 zones on the 75" U9N.) Lastly, how much do you think the U9N will be during this Black Friday?
What is the next TV tech? If Blue Pholed is never coming and it looks like micro-led may never come or we are looking at 2030 at the earliest. Is QD-OLED end game TV? Can we get an MLA QD-OLED pannel?
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FOMO 👋👋 I was gon get the 55" TCL QM7 for $499 at Best Buy but I ended up getting the 55" LG G4 for $1799 do you think the G4 will be cheaper on Black Friday? 🤔 Should I get the QM7 instead? 🤔
@@FenixPajarito QM8 IS MY CHOICE OR UN8N OR F
The more they focus their R&D and production on QD Oled and Micro-Led's, the sooner the prices will come down, the better for our wallets as consumers ... cause i aint payin $5000 for an 65 inch 8K LCD tv while i can get an QD-oled for less than half the price, with the better picture.
What about burn ins?
@@albertodelrio5966 If they improve the technology, then burn-in will reduce as well.
@@albertodelrio5966 That's the point. Why spend money on R&D when it can be directed to larger mini-LEDs panels where burn-in isn't an issue. It workd better for their sales in the end.
@@JamesDarden mini LED is the future. OLED will never fix burn in, its literally just how OLED works. OLED will always have burn in even 40 years from today.
Working at Best Buy for over 8 years, 90% of the customers would state they don’t see a difference between and oled an a standard led tv. What they did was get the biggest tv and then use the tv speakers. Didn’t matter how much we would show them direct comparison for the picture quality or how the tv sucks compared to even the standard soundbars. Not saying it’s right but just like streaming people want to pay as little as possible for the most they can get.
I work at Walmart in electronics and I see that too. People tend to ask "What's the biggest TV I can get for $300" That seems to be where the average consumer is. Makes me sad.
same. I'm a magnolia expert 5 years, sadly no more. i'm stll a home theater expert and man Samsung mini led for the price. terrible
the opposite in my country i work in the same kind of shop as you and my customer see the difference. strange
@@kain2875in the USA TVs are affordable to the poor and low income, and I believe this public isnt very refined when it comes to tech.
Here in Brazil any TV bigger than 50 only the high middle class and above can afford.
Their eyes see the difference it's just consumer wallets are doing the talking.
Samsung Electronics is lucky that Samsung Display kept developing QDO & that they eventually got forced to market it. Imagine their short term outlook without it.
AGREED, and even then they tried NOT to sell QD OLED TVs, remember? They hid it in the back at most Best Buys when the S95B originally launched 2 years ago
Qd oeld is still nowhere close to sales of LG woled,whole decade of monopoly turned LG as synonymous for Oled TV.
@@dado380 Not for long, especially if LG will not decrease it's pricing for B and C series, QD OLEDs will decimate LG monopoly in few months not years
What about 200” lcd, 100,000 mini led lights, hdr, etc
@@MM-Officialbtw Samsung hardly sell qd oled in Europe especially UK
Source material is the difference. If you watch cable or TH-camTV and streaming platforms then improved image quality doesn’t move the needle. If you game and watch 4K Blu Rays with HDR then it does.
Most customers don’t have those. Most watch low quality cable TV or stream…
Yes it does what are you on about? I work with TV's professionally and what you just said is wrong in every way possible.
@@16xthedetail76 For an enthusiast like you or me it DOES matter. But the sales figures don’t lie. People will buy size over PQ most times. That’s what move the needle means. Not that the improvement doesn’t exist. It just doesn’t matter especially given the lower quality sources most people watch.
Problem is, most people will try 4k HDR on TVs with mediocre picture quality and decide that HDR doesn't even make a difference. There not completely wrong. On the TV that isn't OLED, QD-OLED or very high end LED, it won't look like a worthwhile upgrade. Which then makes physical media more niche because 4k streaming looks as good as 1080p blurays, so why get them. The biggest difference in streaming is the sound but it seems that most people don't care about that either. It boggles my mind.
I'd argue 4K streaming does matter. The quality is definitely a step up from 1080p sources.
Excellent analysis. I'm right at the purchasing point you've described. My 6 year old 4K projector is in for a repair estimate so I had to ask myself how much money should I throw towards an aging unit when very large screen TV's are available and have come down in price so much. The reason I went for a projector was to get an immersive large screen but now there are alternatives.
I use my TV/projector as my PC screen so OLED burn in makes that technology a non-starter. Even if I started using a laptop as my PC screen the price versus large screen is too much for me to select OLED. Just yesterday I was at Best Buy to see both an 85" and 98" TCL QM8 plus Hisense and all the other large screen competitors.
I ended up lusting after the 98" TCL QM8, so right now I'm waiting to see what my projector's repair estimate comes to as with seasonal sales that 98" is within my stretch budget reach.
I wish your channel would discuss the declining quality of Samsung tv's. What good are they if the new models are designed to only last 5 years.
@@JFPriest what other brand lasts longer
@@SLICK8116Sony, LG
@@SLICK8116 average life of a Sony - according to consumer research organisation Which? - is 12 years.
@@SLICK8116 I watched a few TV repairman videos. They are saying Samsung's Quality has dropped drastically over the past few years. (Planned Obsolesce). I would love to see FOMO and his friends (WhisperStatus74) address these issues when talking about the new models.
@@danmks2 🥲😂😅sure
Yep I think you're right. I can't count the number of ads recently displaying 85" to 100"+ TVs. It's only larger TVs, and I'm usually interested in 65" max.. 😅 But it works... All the hype and reduced price for larger TVs now makes me consider purchasing a 77" instead for my next buy... It's a wild time for TV enthousiats.
I got 65 in 2018, then 77 in 2023 and now I am planning 85-90 by 2030.
Never going to buy smaller TV than 77”
I think 77” is now perfect size for most and 85” will be optimal for bigger rooms.
The biggest improvement in TV picture quality would be if the day ever comes when more broadcasts and streams are in 4K. 4K TV's for the most part do a great job displaying a quality image if given a quality source and at what point will the human eye see the difference in higher resolution like the failed 8K? I wish the push in technology was in that direction instead of TV manufacturers trying to keep improving upscaling low bit rate content to try to make it look better in 4K.
When I have been at stores watching a salesman showing what I will call average customers TV's they almost always going for the one cheaper in price. Could be strictly a budget decision or they just don't see a big enough difference in picture quality to justify the price increase of the other TV which is what Fomo was talking about. I almost never see the average customer look at the TV from the side to notice how washed out the picture looks on most LCD TV's when viewing off angle. Sometimes I have had customers ask me what I think. I try to stay out of their buying decision but the one thing I have suggested to them is if their budget allows it get the biggest size TV they can afford because the immersion impact is real. For us enthusiasts of course we want the best picture quality we can get but even most of us have a price breaking point where we say that picture is good enough than the more expensive TV.
Well said
Failed 8K? I don't think so.
Great video. Comments are great too. I’m laughing, watching this video on iPad and watching 48 hours on my 12 year old Panasonic plasma VT52. The picture is beautiful. It’s going to the bedroom to live out it’s life and replacing with. 65” something in next few weeks. C’ mon flash sales? 🤓🥳😂🤘 This video tells me I need to look at a few more brands. 👍
Paying 20% to get 80% quality will always win against paying 100% for a 100% of the quality, let alone the fact that right now we can pay 20% for 90-95% of the quality.
Regarding blue pholed, you have to consider ongoing regulations about TV power requirements.
Especially in Europe, where the TCL c855 is limited for 2400 nits (instead of 3300-3500) because of power usage regulation. It's a shame
Also, Samsung's 2024 model's started at about $1000 more than the similar model 2023 models. Waaaaay overpriced!! Then the sales knock it down $1000 like they have done something for you. That basically puts it back to where it should have started in the first place!! WTH is going on?? Samsung better get their shitz together!! And I'm a Samsung guy!!
I noticed this also!! Having watched Samsungs pricing closely since the q90B, I ended up getting the 65” QN90C for $1500 no tax, but now they go for less than $1300. The same prices for the D series is now close to the C series prices this time last year and imo they are worse pic quality than the C series. 🎉
This is the standard across the industry
Absolutely agree. I have a 2 year old 85" QN90BA and I am probably going to replace it with a TCL or Hisense 100" in the $3500 price range. The value proposition is too good to ignore. Also, it's not like Samsung has been doing a good job with their TV operating system. Mine has been glitchy since day one and remains glitchy after several updates. I would rather use a good streaming box vs the native smartTV stuff on the QN90BA. A Sony would be nice, but they are at least as overpriced as Samsung at this point.
@@mauricioarze5465 TCL or Hisense over Sony and Samsung?🤣 Well you know what they say. You get what you paid for.
I perfectly understand the message. I own a 65" Oled looking to go slightly larger to 75/77". Due to price of Oled at those sizes, I'm looking at mid-tier mini LED as they are good enough at this point. I could grab a 75" Qm8 for $1300 on Black Friday vs $2000+ for Oled 77".
Can I afford 77" Oled? Sure can. Do I want to spend almost double for one? Not anymore. I don't keep them for very long time.
Just get OLED until microLED become affordable.
You can get the QN90D for 1300 75 inch. Got it last week
Is there a long-term mass market for 90+ inch TVs? That seems like a really niche audience. There might be an uptick but that doesn't seem like a sustainable market. The US for example, most people don't even live in a house.
Excellent point, but Best Buy's research team has determined that this is where consumers are going and have begun renovating their stores to show off 98" TVs
@@stopthefomoit's a short trip will be .
I just replaced 2 of the 4 75 inch TVs I have with two 100 inch TVs and when they come out with a 150 inch one I will be replacing them too 🤪 After you go big there is no going back 😅
I'm with ya, I can afford a 90-100" TV but I'm not the least bit attracted to them. Wayy too big for my space and most peoples spaces, especially when you only sit 8 feet back from your TV like most people do. Plus I'm a gamer, the more you stretch the image the less detailed it is. I want that sharp detail I get on a 65 or 75 inch. Don't want to stretch it any more than that. Seems like one of those things that will be "cool" at Walmart for awhile though lol
I think TVs are all good enough on the picture quality side. Reliability will be the future goal post.
Yeah for picture quality they are all good enough ; I can live with bravia 3 it is other differences like design size speakers and features that drive me through options picture is the last .
I want a quality TV that will last at least 8 years. If an expensive TV can't last that long being on for 10 hours per day. Then your investment in an expensive TV is wasted. I got 12 years out of a cathode ray tube Sony Trinintron TV, which was probably the best in its era. I own 2 Samsung 1080p TVs. Both are slightly over 5 years old now. No problems. My next TV will be a 4K type.
@@patrickhenry2845 if a company put plastic parts for their high end - I don't trust their longevity .
@@patrickhenry2845 if a company puts plastic on their high end - I don't trust longevity .
TV companies don't want their TVs to be reliable man lol. They want them less reliable so you're forced to upgrade more often as they break down more.
I get your point.
But i disagree with not improving tech. Companies should always innovate and improve.
Whatever improvement TV makers make, eventually with time it will translate into a cheaper mid range or lower tier model. Take the QM7 for example; if improvement stops and they only forced on size, then we wouldn't have a 98" QM7 with this level of image improvement(brightness, mini-led, local dimming) at that price.
Also we don't have to buy flagship Tvs if you can't and TV makers doesn't need to produce too much flagship Tvs either and focus more on mid and lower tier. But keep the improvements and innovations going.
I'm torn with a similar choice for an 83" OLED. Go with the Samsung S90C or pick the LG G4. They look very similar to me, but the 5 year panel warranty is swaying me towards the G4.
@@TonyFontanesi go g4 and the better warranty protection
G4
Dts
Dolby vision
Better build in general
The s90c isn’t qdoled so I would always say if it’s woled C4 for the price and the G4 is better ofc
@@masomaf exactly, i just dont get why samsuing doesnt have dts for audio passthrough, so annoying really.
@@falsehope5529 i have reviewed some selling websites some state qd oled others state oled
Here in the EU, the price of the TCL C855 (QM8?) is almost the same (sometimes even higher) as similarly sized OLED models like the S90D and LG C4. Chinese companies are currently focused on capturing the US market, but they will likely increase their prices once they have disrupted the "traditional" players.
Some of us are scared of Burn In. Just like Plasma before…the picture is superior but at what COST.
IMO what is needed is what Samsung used to and may still be researching and developing. The "QNED" the Quantum Nano-rod Emissive display. Basically in-organic "OLED".
It would eliminate MiniLED and OLED all together. If it can be easily produced and come down in price from initial costs.
Because it would be 100% OLED blacks, but no burn in risk at all. No ASBL dimming all the colors will be there and brightness as well etc. Almost a holy grail TV.
Or quite simply if they can replace the organic blue in QD OLED with in-organic one. Or some "white in organic" and then if somehow blue can be incorporated into Quantum dots.
Bigger is not always better.
I spend most of my time replacing backlights on TV's that are only a few years old.
The biggest issue i have with Samsung are that the backlights run so hot that it damages the
reflective prism sheet and this is visible with new backlights, new sheets are very expensive.
This is with 50 to 65" TV's, now you are saying they are about to make over 100" TV's
so guess what will happen if they are ran at high brigtness and contrast levels.
These monsters will require two people to lift and repair them.
Thankfully i will be retired before the warranties expire.
This is the best comment to find here. Thanks. How is the experience with panasonic?
Bigger means more space to spread out heat. I would assume the smaller denser the tv the hotter it runs. I wonder if use case is factored in. Running any tv at max brightness without varying content on bright content for hours would stress any Tv.
The small QD-OLED monitors have fans in them as the pixels are dense and get hot when the panel is pushed towards max nits.
@@Horvat04 Thank you, Re Panasonic their upper range models are exellent, but the lower
and mid range ones that are sold in discount stores and supermakets are not made or designed
by them, they are outsourced to Vestel in Turkey and tend to have a shortrt lifespan, but at least the
spares are cheaper.
These days you can either pay a bit more for a premium brand that comes with a long warranty
or buy cheaper ones that you are prepared to replace or have repaired when they fail
@@Barbarapape i see, im planning to buy the mini led flagship by panasonic from 2023 in 75 inches. There is literally no info about the lifespann regarding mini led tvs. Do you had one?
@@Horvat04 I have never seen any brand of mini led TV for repair yet.
Most will still be under warranty and go to the brands approved repair agents.
All i can advise is to buy from a store that includes a long warranty, it takes a few
years for any new panel tech to prove how long they will last.
Rtings might be worth a look to see if they have had any failures.
I suspect many buyers have physical size constraints on how large a TV will work in their space. I'm stuck at 65 because I enjoy having four of them on one wall.
Size, by far, makes the biggest difference. My 77" A80J, is way way better to watch movies on, than my 65" A95k qdoled. You will barely miss any pq difference, but the size is a huge difference in immersion. No you can't just sit closer. The size of the objects on the screen are more life size, that doesn't change with your seating distance.
So you are speaking from experience 🤔
So what is your viewing distance?
@@unasistent I'm about 11' from my 77" and 9' from my 65". Sitting closer helps with the viewing angle, but that's not the full story for immersion. Hold an Ipad 6" from your face and tell me it's the same feeling you get, as watching a 77" TV from 11' or more even. The bigger TV makes things more lifelike or larger than life. Your brain knows what size something is on the screen, regardless of distance.
I think you're relying too much on technology when a creative imagination can achieve far greater benefits...
Needed this video. It’s perfect! I wanted the s90D 83” or s95D but since seeing the 98” crystal 9000D I’m going for shear size than better image. Big jump 83” to 98”. Or wait two years for quantum mini led
I for one won't be happy until I own a 300" TV
Lol I agree 💯% I just got two 100 inch TVs and I still wish they were double the size 😅
I think image quality is where it needs to be now. What I want TV manufacturers to focus on is reliability.
I have my current TV with 13 months now and after 6 months the dirty screen effect started showing. With the past week when I turn on the TV the screen lights up but nothing shows. I have to put it into standby and turn it on again for an image to show.
When I bought the TV 13 months ago I registered for the 2 year warranty and I paid for a 6 year no quibble warranty with richer sounds. For the first 2 years it's up to Philips to repair or replace the TV after that if the TV fails richer sounds will replace it with a similarly priced TV if they can't repair it.
It seems reliability in TVs has declined a lot in the past 8 - 10 years.
In 2021 I bought a Philips 58pus8535 for €700 and the screen gave up just after 13 months.
Reliability will be the last thing they focus on, doesn’t make sense from a business perspective unfortunately.
Phosphorent blue doesn't make the tv a lot more expensive. Yes they would recoup the r&d but apart from that, the material expense would be the same. The advantage is that phosphorent blue would be very efficient and hence the power supply and the thermal solution can handle brightter full screen brightness. How about an oled that can handle 600-800nits of full screen brightness. That would be revolutionary
Samsung has regrettably been a marketing first company and it has cost them dearly over the years. Living in a city where having a one thousand square foot condo is considered huge, a 65" TV is large and given this restriction OLED is the only way to go.
They need to start making more of their flagships 49 inches instead of making larger screens that are too big for most people's homes
It’s funny you mention the iPad Pro, because my exact plan was to buy the iPad this year if and ONLY if they give it a bigger screen size. Same as the TV market, I’d bet a lot of iPad users would’ve poured their money into a larger display. I’m also a digital artist and among my friends who also have iPads, I can say with certainty that a lot of them would’ve loved to see a 16” or even 20” “iPad Canvas” type device. Size 100% matters lol
people are sick in the head with these insane tv sizes
Right? lol. ALl these people with tiny apartments sitting 7 feet away from their TVs with 100 inch screen lol. It's almost comical
Smaller OLEDs>
I'd only want a bigger TV for sports but movies, games and TV shows on an OLED are godly
Picture quality is important to me so I bought a Sony Master Series 77" A9G OLED in Feb. 2021 for $4,000 as its older price of $4,500 dropped to clear it out for a new model. BUT, here's an example of where an owner of a top quality OLED would see ALL of his friends INSTANTLY choose to view a budget priced LED TV in his home, over an OLED in a game room that's the 55" model of Sony's A95L that won the Value Electronics Flat Panel Shoot Out. The budget priced TV is Samsung's 98" LED that sells for about $1,850. But when their host notes that the group can enjoy higher PQ if they see the Monday Night Football game on his 55" OLED instead of viewing it on the 98" LED that's in a spacious living room, the football night host hears his buddies quickly erupt in laughter, and one of them says "You
must be kidding us to say you think we'd enjoy seeing the game more on that little TV!"
Yes, I'm very critical of picture quality, but it's easy to realize why that puts me in a minority. But I MUST admit that in that case of football, I'd prefer seeing it on the 98" Samsung TOO!
Great vid. Hoping to next year buy my first 98”
I enjoy this gentleman’s research and explanations. His insights are remarkable and relevant. I am shopping for a newer and larger TV this November (55” to a 65”) -room size limitation-. A 2016 Samsung 55” works fine except for the Smartapps feature. Streaming pauses to “load buffer” or appears to not be able to keep up. So really appreciate these presentations
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If your picture is still good, just buy a streaming stick for $20-40. You'll be able to use all the apps with quick response.
If the TV is starting to fail, then yeah, just get a new one.
Maybe im not in the majority--but my reality is that i dont have the space in my apt for a 100 inch tv, honestly anything past a 65 something inches tv is already starting to push it. 70 and 80 inches tv 's are absolutely monstrous.
I agree with Samsung I’m a best Geeksquad double agent most tv installed is 98 in du7200 and du9000 . Only few customers buy high end tvs. Also 85-to 100 inch tcl and Hisense under 2000$. I myself sold my 83 oled to buy 98 inch TCL qm8 . I feel like I have more for my money
I saw a news clip that Samsung was also going into micro-led, can you expand on this
Yes, they are "going into" it by partnering with other companies to see how they can improve manufacturing to lower costs but apparently, this investment is losing momentum as the TV industry as a whole has shifted away from microLED for consumer TVs - this appears to be more for custom installations where the display costs above $50,000.
Samsung finally realized that mini led tech peaked.just look at the b9,it looks almost identical to cheaper TCL and Hisense displays
So what should we all do? QD OLED and OLED are just too good. This is a horrible problem to have
TCL is still innovating LCD. WHVA is going to be great for the market. B9 isn’t the peak
im a gamer, so qd oled is what i want. and ill stick to around the 55in as larger will just make the picture quality worse.
Good choice. I have the 55in samsung s90c.
@@charlesmyers8150 yeah thats the one i want but dont think they are still selling them?
I think 65 is a fair size if you’re worried about quality degrading but QD OLED is def the move for gamers
Wait how does it make it worse I just bought a 77inch?
55" is the sweet spot for every thing .
Should i get the QN90D 75in for 1799 or rhe 85in at 2299 is 10 more inches worth 500 dollars that is $50 per inch.
It's been said before, and it's never turned out to be true. R&D may be slowing down, but I can't see any company abandoning it completely.
We've had the resolution wars (SDTV vs HDTV vs Full HD vs Ultra HD vs 8K). We've had the contrast wars (Plasma vs LCD and OLED vs LCD). We've had the brightness wars. Now we're in the midst of the size wars.
As home internet speeds continue to improve the demand for better quality will pop up again. There is obviously still room for improvement.
Great explanation of my situation. Every year, I was waiting for the best OLED TV to get bigger, and every year, there were bigger and cheaper mini LED TVs that made me wait for another year. I think as Samsung goes bigger, it should not give up on 8K, but focus more on AI upscaling chips.
I have the S90D but I noticed that the display is like bent, when seeing from the side I can see the that the thin layer is deformed I should return it right?
Yes
I don't like Samsung reliability but they are visionary when it come to read and anticipate the market trend, i'm enthusiast about image quality and at 8 feets distance i still debating my next upgrade between oled flagship 65" or 85" inch lcd(since my actual TV is a 42 inch edge led back to 2013) is very hard choice especially i don't have infinite money to upgrade ever 2 years
Split the difference and get 77" OLED? At 8 feet away, a 65" TV might look a little small, but it depends on your preferences. I sit 7 feet from a 65" OLED and I think it's slightly too small, but everyone who watches my TV says it looks too big when they first sit down (they don't complain during a movie though haha)
I do want that immersion but to be honest 4k starts to look a little rough at larger than 85
I decided to buy the 75” B7 instead of the B9 for the same reason - I felt like the picture quality was so close that it didn’t justify the higher price! And this is after knowing all the technical details and the results of your shootouts!
B7 is amazing TV
For me its quality over Size first but there is a limit. I would never go below my last TV size. But i went for a 77" oled even tho there were 85" TV's. Later upgraded to a 83A90J
I would love to have a 97"or bigger MicroLED or OLED but the current 97" do not have MLA or QDOLED. Once those become available and the price goes down quite a bit i might look in to it.
The 55 A95L vs the 98QM7 is a hard one. I guess i would go for a LG 77 C4 instead.
Agreed. But the question is would OLED technology allow it to be just as cheap to produce vs led TVs? What happens when you have the chinese inkjet printing OLEDs? I don't know the answer but just wondering if there's a path for OLEDS to get just as large yet be just as price competitive
Image quality can and needs to be improved further. Top mini-LEDs don't offer the same level of eye comfort or microcontrast or blacks as OLEDs. Top OLEDs still lack shadow details, sometimes lack colour accuracy, and are still affected by burn-in risk. I really like how 8K looks and how crisp it makes borders around objects. Would love to see 8K tvs with more dimming zones, QDEL, Quantum Nanorod LEDs, and Tandem PHOLED.
that 98 inch QM7 is 1999 at walmart. That's a great price for such a large mini led.
Mini LED is still improving every year so I'm not worried that image quality is stagnating, but it seems like Samsung and Sony are following the Chinese.
Dang i was hoping this would not be the case, but most people i know care more about screen size , then quality. They step up a series or 2 but will go for size. Hopefully tv makers will find a way ROI R&D....
1st off: I think everyone should watch this video!! 🎉
2nd: to answer your question, I’d be happy with quality equal or greater than my 65QN90C (B9, QM8) but without question need bigger than 75”. My main argument is for ANY bedroom tv, you’re starting at a minimum of 8 feet viewing distance if you factor a normal size bed. That means anything less than 77” isn’t within that prime viewing immersion distance. However, 77” and up should be the focus and I’m hoping the quality still gets better and comes down in price as big TVs get cheaper! I think Sony could sell a 98/100/110” version of their B7/B9 if they priced it under $5k.
That said, with tcl coming out with their QM951/2, and the new Hisense UX models, big minileds will be the best option.
I do wish, more than anything they would somehow reduce prices on 83” OLED everything!
Lastly, Samsungs new policies on selling your info like LG, imo is bad business and I hope people catch on to what they are doing! 🎉
The whole tv industry is a lie. 77” is 67.4” wide. Explain the reason for telling people the diagonal dimension. There is no reason to have such a dimension for a tv, it serves no purpose. Guess it helps the people that hang their TVs diagonally (haven’t met them yet, but they must exist?).
Hmm. Size does matter
Lager size is the market. People are tried of hearing about specs and features that never delivered.
Broadcast tv and sports are still in 720p…..we need financial incentive for them to upgrade to 4k and then TVs can catch up
I've never been a fan of Samsung TVs always find them over saturated and poor processing
What about nanorods? What happened with that technology? Did they just straight up abandon it?
I think you are right. As long as there's no significant blooming or dse We are at the point of diminishing returns. I have an S90c and after looking at this yrs crop of TVs I couldn't really tell the difference and didn't see anything that would justify not only the hige price premiums they are asking this yr, but the full cost of replacing a tv.
Even if you go up in size, you will get used to it after about 2 weeks. With that said, I wouldn't mind giving the TCL a look because I really loved the QM8 85. I was fully prepared to keep that TV but the Vertical Banding and DSE made it unwatchable. A 98 inch version that's 98 percent close woth zero blooming is a no brainer.
Thanks for all the info FOMO.
Hey FOMO do you think the Samsung S90D has enough brightness to overcome a large window off to the side with curtains (if needed)?
I agree but I don’t think forever maybe like a decade or so then they will pivot again and the cycle continues
After economics fall down or wars destroy homes they will return back to smaller sizes .
I’m so glad you brought this topic up!! 🎉 Samsungs best year was the C series imo. Now they’ve sold everything and I have my doubts they will come out with anything good in extra large TVs. Samsungs QC is downhill.
Even LG has a new 98” bottom barrell cheap model tv on their website. It’s like $2400 not on sale yet
glad more companies are making larger screens. competition drives fair market pricing. watch the price on those 115" and 110" tv's fall through the floor. I'll take a 120+ inch tv please for my great room for $2,500.
In the 10 yers when you want to build the house you want to build a house open space no wall now before you build your house you need to buy big TV and do giant wall and close your house for the TV and you don't have 5 6 10 meter for the TV it's all wall🥴🙃🤔
You are amazing as always
Size is the way to go! I have an 85", yet I wanna go bigger next ... preferrabley 8K 115" with cheap LEDs.
It's all about Hisense today. They are the ones that offer the most value today. As for image quality improvements, we reached the point of diminishing returns, TVs are so good that minuscule improvements in image quality are negligible.
And yes, us consumers are happy with the way TVs are. Image quality is fine as it is, better integration with sound systems, higher frame rates, more inputs and outputs are all more important that tiny image quality enhancements.
Are Hisense tvs reliable? Like Samsung ( sing long life )
@@ThamilNesanmy 2000 Hisense 75 H8G just went bad yesterday, powers on then shuts off before picture comes on, typical of power supply issue. But I was happy with the tv, wife works from home, tv was on 18 hours a day for almost 4 years. So I got around 25,000 hours of use out of it.
@@rotwiler7674Thank you OH that's Great for the price you paid for using 18hrs/ day for 4years as 25,000hrs , wow really good sense, did you see any color fainting or dead gray area on corner ( Sony has that issue after two years of long hours usage) , I am thinking about buying 85 inch Hisense U8N but that's VA panel lower local dimming zone 75 inch Hisense 3000 dimming zone with ADS pro panel which looks like OLED deep black eyed pop up picture quality and I don't know why they use VA panel for with lower dimming zones for 85" 😠
BS. Go outside 20degree viewing angle and most TVs today suffer vastly. There's still a lot of improvement left in TV tech. We haven't even begun. OLED is not the solution because of burn in.
@TheFourthWinchester Your opinion has been noted.
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No, I do not think they are done chasing picture quality. I think we might go another 5 or 10 years on this plateau, but Mini-LED and OLED still have flaws and once the market is saturated with large screens they we'll need something to sell. They always need a next best thing and the screen size race I think is going to be very short. Once you have cheap large tvs it's going to be even harder to get people to upgrade. I think they're caught up in some recency bias. People like the Idea having large screens and they're seeing growth in a category of 100 inch plus screens that didn't exist before. What I think will happen is the XXL sizes will become the enthusiast option and when it stabilizes. I think they're going to find out that its smaller demographic of people who are willing to buy those XXL screens at any price point because of the sheer size. So I think they'll pivot back to quality because screen size a short term solution
Enthusiat are after picture quality it is normal people's after the size .
I think the reason for why the iPad isn’t selling is more due to the fact that it still can’t do MacBook things and you can buy a MacBook Air for around the same price as the iPad Pro Apple needs to sort that out. I would have bought one if they just made it to laptop things I already have a MacBook but I would use it less if the iPad had a touch version of Mac OS.
There's also the samsung freestyle projector. Sure it has it's drawbacks and it's 1080p but for much cheaper you get a 100 inch picture
9:01 I don't. I had a 58" Philips TV two years ago and I would love to buy another 58" TV. I'm currently using a 50"TV and there's a big difference between the 50" and 58". I think 58" is the best compromise between 55" and 65".
Of course 60" would be better but I don't think any manu facture has made a 60" TV in well over 10 years.
The only 58" TV I can find here in Ireland is a hisrnse and I e seen a lot of negative reviews on it on Amazon.
Some people received the TV damaged or some turned on the TV and the screen was damaged which you couldn't see when it's turned off or some complain that it stopped working after a short period.
Samsung mini led hasn’t improved in like 4 years. They just repackage the qn90 and add a new letter while selling the same exact tv.. the Qn90a and the qn90d were released 4 years apart but are the same exact tv with the same # of dimming zones. The only difference might be a new processor but that’s it. Every other high end mini led will add more dimming zones to each model every year but not the qn90, it’s stuck at 720 on the 65 inch
FOMO .....clapping..........your speaking correctly on the subject. The korean companies like Samsung and LG need to wake up and provide the OLED displays at bigger sizes( more sizes and options) and lower PRICE for the average consumer to purchase. Is higher color volume nice ... yes, is more brightness nice....yes, .......but will the everyday content fully take advantage of the tv to make the average Joe care...not enough. I have seen it in live action during the tv selection process and installations.
Size always trumps quality. This was evident when CRTs lost out to LCD. Although heavy and inefficient, CRTs were always far better in picture quality. It took me years to get used to LCD computer monitors because they looked awful coming from a CRT.
As others have said, the companies should work on hardware reliability more than picture quality since most people only watch TH-cam and Netflix which most mini led TV handle well.
I am in the UK.
I wonder how many people with average sized homes have rooms large enough to accommodate a 100" TV without it over dominating the room.
I can't do it fomo. It doesn't matter if samsung makes a wall sized tv, I will still choose a 75inch or 85 inch Sony over samsung.
I went Bravia 8 vs A95L. I keep telling myself, return the 8 and get the 95. But the Bravia 8 is 95% there for HALF the cost. So far, the 8 is still sitting here.
I even considered going to the Panasonic W95A simply because of Color Accuracy out of the box. I watch a LOT of 30 min sitcoms and movies are occasions. not the norm.
The big problem today of Sony the OLED TV is not flagship no XR chipset and no all the feature is in the menu the company line to us is all big bulshit you pay a lot of money and you get medium to medium - television a lot of the technology is not in the TV 😤
Yep tcl qm8 would have best suited you. Then upgraded your source material for better quality
I just read a CNBC report about Hisense I made a TV Sponsorship Deal with FIFA World Cup. The CEO projects it will be the No.1 Brand in just 2 years also in 2 years and be a Top Home Appliance White Brand, assuming it will be LG, Samsung,and Hisense it will be in some type of order. We will have to wait until 2027 or 2028 as to whether or not that holds true in 2026. There is a lot of lag time to figure out what company will be the No.1 TV brand.
All most people ( non-videophiles ) want is larger TV's . This issue has been raging for years . I went to BB the other day and the LG C4 48" looked amazing and actually better than the larger C4 55" == pixel density , smaller space , better picture overall . I would rather buy the 48" over the 55" because of a slightly better picture , but I am not ' most people ' . I really thought you were going to talk about Tizen's last remaining days . Next video , take care , Dreamer
It really depends on how far you're sitting from the TV. I recently moved to a new house where my couch is farther from the TV. At the new distance, my 55" LG CX looked too small, so I upgraded to a 65" C3. The sharpness looks the same, but it's a much nicer experience since it doesn't feel like I need binoculars to watch TV
True, they are are telling us bigger is better than a smaller better tv. I personally think it is crazy to have a TV bigger than 77 inches unless you have a ton of money to buy the best 83,85 or bigger tvs. I have a 100in screen and a projector plus 65 and 55in tvs. Plus, a 83 or larger TV is a monster to deal with.
I tried logging into Samsung's website with my AAA account. I didn't see the $1874.99 price showing in your video I saw $2249.99. Did you use a different website to get that price to display?
I'm buying a 77 inch S90D this Black Friday, I don't care about having anything larger for cheaper from brands like TCL
I bought a new iPad Pro with Tandem OLED upgrading from a seven year old iPad! For me OLED rules
Hmm, well I just want to say right now now I went from a 55 inch samsung ks8500, to a Sony x95k about 2 years ago I think it was, where I just want to say I like it, my next upgrade was going to be a qd oled, but that wil only happen if Samsung continues to make qd plans TV’s and continues to increase the size of the tv panel… I’m probably going to wait for a 120” tv, if one is made hopefully with qd oled technology…
Hey guys, what is better TCL QLED tv 65C643 or SAMSUNG 55" AU8072? TY
Dont care about huge tv gonna buy a 65 inch QD-OLED next year if they remove the matte coating 😫
Oh no, FOMO!! I was hoping Samsung would compete and come out with an 83" or 85" QD OLED in the future to compete with LG, Sony, or Panasonic. Really enjoy my 77" S90d.
I really hope this pushes LG to support better gaming features (4K240hz).
the problem with TVs larger than 100 inch is that they don't fit in homes so the target consumer base is extremely small compared to say 85 or even 98. like the 98 inch tv barely fits in a normal home in the US anything bigger and you market becomes multi millionaires only
What i really want is faster.
I will not upgrade until i can get 480hz.
I don't care about brighter.
Size is already decent because is sit close to it. If i got larger i would need to move back.
I think there is more limited amount of customers who want 100+ sizes than they think. Because most cant fit something that large. But there is a pent up demand for cheaper ultra large for sure.
Its a stopgap measure.
No one is going to put a tv bigger than 115 in their living room.
They will put video walls which. Are tiles and modular.
You just keep buying more tiles and grow your tv.
115 inch samsungs is stop gap measure till video walls.
I didn't think you could get 115" in the US?
What is TCL service like , I imagine non existent
I only want mini led . I can buy any tv I want but I leave my tv on all the time all day til I go to bed .
Are they running out of ideas for TVs? What is after 8k HDR?
16k SHDR…
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StopTheFomo: In your opinion, which current mini-led is the better model between the TCL QM80G1, or the Hisense U9N? Also, how many zones does the TCL 75" have? I know the 65" has 2880 dimming zones. (They measured 3500 zones on the 75" U9N.) Lastly, how much do you think the U9N will be during this Black Friday?
What is the next TV tech? If Blue Pholed is never coming and it looks like micro-led may never come or we are looking at 2030 at the earliest. Is QD-OLED end game TV? Can we get an MLA QD-OLED pannel?
The old Ipad pro was 600 nits MiniLED
Mini-led backlights may get so good in 5 yrs that Oleds will find it hard to justify their existence.