"0-1 nit near black is more important than going from 1000 to 2000 nits because it's in everything" finally someone says it! Everyone seems to be focused on the peak brightness in these first looks/reviews. I couldn't care less about even brighter TVs, I want better near black performance!
@@micker9830 Well yes but if a TV doesn't get bright enough or cannot tonemap good enough to retain detail in highlights, that's not nearly as distracting as detail loss in the near black region. Sure you loose some HDR-impact and instead of a detailed sun or flashlight, you just get a white surface on the screen but our eyes are not that sensitive to that. If there is a problem in the 0-5 nit region, our eyes are way more likely to pick up that there is something wrong, for example black crush (lifted shadows are not that big of a deal imo though since you won't know they're lifted as long as there is still true black), uneven uniformity, bad gradiation/posterisation coming out of black or artifacts which tend to occur in dark scenes like chrominance overshoot, heavy noise or macroblocking. These things are way more important than a little blown out highlights also because - as classy said - it's visible in way more scenes than bright highlights and our eyes are more sensitive to it. The near black performance is the only thing I'm not quite happy about my S95C, as Classy said, there isn't a TV on the market yet that can do near black perfectly (Panasonic and LG are probably the closest atm), now that's what I like to see not more brightness.
@@micker9830 The big difference is that tone mapping for peak highlights is almost always only noticeable in a side by side comparison, i.e. it is not perceived as a flaw on simple observation. Whereas weaknesses in the lower brightness levels are almost always perceived as disturbing and incorrect, e.g. as flashing artifacts. So I totally agree with Classy.
Great video man, as always. Would you guys ever consider comparing a newer model to a TV 5-6 years ago or so? I think it would show the realistic change people would expect, just a thought
@fullhd5277 the "only"?? and there is 2 gen of evo and 2 gen of mla. and there is heatsink too. all of this make difference. more resistence and much brighter, and better near black too.
I gotta say, not bad from LG G4 compared to the QD-OLED tv's. Quite close here and there, something i can life with it. there were some points where the G4 looks better imo.
LG G4 OLED does not have the final software THIS IS POST-PRODUCTION AND DEMO TV , sony and samsung have a calibrated image, the lg g4 does not have a calibrated image
I always use cinematic movements huge plus with G4 now it's smart Huge plus game mode now fixed 2000 nits below 3% window is nice I think G4 is a solid upgrade to all 1000 nits or lower OLED owners
@fepethepenguin8287 That is true at 10k Kelvin native panel temperature can reach 3000 nits below 3% window (Vivid mode) at D65 it's 2000 nits still decent
Glad i made a huge deal on S95C 65 Inch last week (1800€ with Calman Calibration 😍). The 2024 TVs dont seem to be a huge improvement like 2023 TVs have been.
Keep in mind this is all 4k content he is shooting. 🙃 Need 1080 content and lower res for cable users to get the full idea of what TVs upscaling can do and what is more life like. Movie performance, tv shows and cable tv. Need more content to show that or at least talk about it. Preferably Less 4k demo content testing if possible for the everyday viewers habits.
This is the most important factor of anything. As an A95L owner, the G3 was close enough to the A95L in high quality content, but the A95L looked noticeably better in SDR
Thanks for this. I'm sure you already know but for others: the Spears and Munsil disc contains a dedicated pattern specifically for chrominance overshoot: It's on disc 2, Motion, Near-black Overdrive. You can also use as an alternative: disc 1, Advanced Video, Quantization 2D (Cb or Cr). Obviously bear in mind those patterns are extremely dark.
Used the near black overdrive but its not quite the same for chrominance overshoot as some real content scenes. Certain scenes showcase it more than others. Streaming content can also amplify it from compression and less dithering or other effects used to mask near black issues.
@@ClassyTechCalibrationsIndeed! I'm skeptical that it's been 100% solved; all firmwares since 2018 have resorted to dithering near black and not using the white subpixel as a crutch/workaround, with varying levels of success. If they have truly fixed it at the *panel* level - and not just tweaked the dithering work-around for dark colours with spatial and temporal dithering - I'll be very, very impressed. Will be very interesting to see in the fullness of time.
I have the Lg G3 and got it at a discount I think if you can get the older model do it nothing is really wrong with them, I think if you have the money G4 but for most difference for most people they will not see much of a big difference, of course, new tech usually seems to be better but the Lg G3 is over a thousand dollars off right now
You won't even notice a difference, unless they were side by side. Once you start watching a show or movie you will enjoy it the same on either TV. I have an A95K and an A80J. The A95K has a better picture, but I watch all my movies on the A80J, because it's larger. I don't even notice or miss any PQ differences.
No way you would notice a difference lol. These comparisons are like looking at something with a magnifying glass. Actually using the TV to watch a show or movie, you would never notice or miss any differences. The A95L is better in some areas.
@@TheAntifluencer i have bought the lg g3 77 inch last year. its a bit scam. normally they upgrade the proccessor every year 1 generation up. this year 2 generations. so its a like a 2025 model. if i know that. i was not buying the lg g3. and was waiting for the lg g4
@@jantjedewaal i think they’re doing that with the C4 and the C5 will probably have the G4 processor. Sony are overpriced, but their ‘master series’ definitely stays top of the line for more than a year.
@MrBritishComedy maybe that true but LG G4 is the closest TV to perfect now Sony A95L there's a noticeable delay in picture processing which can lead to lips sync issue also 2 HDMI2.1 only G4 with 5 years warranty dynamic cinematic movements LG G4 is the complete package this year
I want the 83" size so I'am really struggling to pick a 77" A95L over this one. You are getting less TV with the Sony...but yea Upscaling and Sound would still likely be better, as well as Google TV and that Premium Bravia experience. I'am split right now 😵💫
Bottom line for me…LG G3 77” dropped to $3500 last October and A95L 77” has always been $5000. Assuming this price trend is the same this holiday season, is the Sony A95L worth $5000 and worth $1500 more than the G4?
TV's are always getting better. and every year will make a difference. Its better to save the $1500 and in a few years it won't burn as bad to upgrade. Same concept with computers. side by sides fu*k our perception but once you get a G3 you'll be blown away and won't even think about something else.
Oh my god, thank you for bringing up the shimmering that the a95l has in highly texturized hdr scenes. It was driving me crazy not knowing if I had a bad panel or not, and Sony customer service has been absolutely useless. It really is noticeable, and makes me want to sell the tv. My only concerns moving to an LG are the power usage and its lack of integration with Google home.
Hey Classy, Great video and objective explanation! G4 seems to be a good upgrade, also considering future proofing for 4000nit content. Will be interesting to see what Sony brings (XR80 seems interesting) and also the X955 from TCL( heard good things about it from German retailers) Keep it up!
LG G4 OLED does not have the final software THIS IS POST-PRODUCTION AND DEMO TV , sony and samsung have a calibrated image, the lg g4 does not have a calibrated image
LG G4 OLED does not have the final software THIS IS POST-PRODUCTION AND DEMO TV , sony and samsung have a calibrated image, the lg g4 does not have a calibrated image
Is the color luminance jump just at smaller window sizes or does it apply to all sizes? Also, is the color luminance increase just proportional to the increase in white luminance? Or is it actually more saturated relative to white compared to the G3?
I’m not going to say which brand but I recently bought one of these in the 65 inch model for almost 60% off MSRP. Does it matter which one it was? No, at that price I’m beyond happy and love the tv.
G4 if gaming is more important or TV is in a bright room (e.g. daylight) A95L if gaming is less important and older SDR, non-4k content id more important
@@ClassyTechCalibrations it’s not showing up in the TH-cam app on the iPhone. Tried pulling it up in safari on my phone and not there either. Strange. Hope you’re not missing out on members because of a bug.
@@TaylorCFP oh, yeah iPhone is different. On Safari when you go to the channel press the "aA" on the bottom left and should be able to open in desktop browser and see the join button.
144 Hz and fixed color brightness in game mode are very substantial upgrades for me as a PC gaming enthusiast. Coming from a G1 this makes me genuinely consider upgrading if it turns out to be great in other areas as well. Any idea/hints so far if we might see 240 Hz OLED TVs in the next 1-2 years?
@fullhd5277 Any source on that? TCL has been pushing 4K 240 Hz already (although with halved vertical res I believe) and Samsung is pushing their outrageously expensive MicroLED to 240 Hz. LG OLEDs have also supported proper 4K 120 Hz via HDMI 2.1 earlier than the monitor market, so your statement doesn’t hold true there. It really only depends on LG Display or Samsung Display to push their TV panels to 240 Hz, since LG/Samsung Electronics could very easily reach that level through DSC and they already are in their monitors. Might need a more capable TV SOC as well but since those two companies are also developing them in house I don‘t see that as a hurdle. It could easily happen any year, I‘m just interested if any industry insider knows the companies‘ plans of when they‘ll actually bring it to market.
@@dante19890 You do need good hardware for that but not the absolute best of everything and those TVs aren't gonna be for budget buyers either. With tech like DLSS in Performance mode and Frame Gen you only need to render at 1080p and achieve a base frame rate of 70+ fps to exceed the 120 fps my G1 can currently display even in games like Cyberpunk with maxed Path Tracing with my 4090. That's the best hardware you can get of course but let's say you're playing less demanding games and you use DLSS Performance + Frame Gen as well you'd easilly get past 144 fps in quite a lot of games even with a 4070. Still a niche group of people that'll use such a rig with a TV and aim for high frame rates like these but if you want you can take advantage of it even without completely busting the bank.
Was waiting to see if Samsung/Sony would have a 83"QD OLED this year. It does not look to be the case so the G4 wins by default. Although to be honest they all look great. I Would prefer the A98L-M or whatever it would be called so too bad 77" is the max ( again). Now LG, let's talk about this $6,500 price tag
LG G4 OLED does not have the final software THIS IS POST-PRODUCTION AND DEMO TV , sony and samsung have a calibrated image, the lg g4 does not have a calibrated image
Chart #3 has higher peaks than #2 and also, look at the actual content showing the 4 screens on the right. Put the video in 4K quality and click the full screen button and it is quite significant especially the primary colors of red green and blue IMHO.@fullhd5277
Classy I can get a 77” G3 with 124 hours on it for $2000. It seems like a great deal and was wondering what to look for to verify its a clean panel etc.
Classy, what would your advise be: buy an 83 inch Sony A80L bundle with a soundbar HT-A7000 for €4300 in Europe, or wait a little longer and spend a little more on the G4 83 inch that has an MLA panel?
@@bilalbiriri6596 I believe the reason I am also doubting about the a80L is because I’ve read some reviews about it being the most dim OLED tv and that it apparently has aggressive dimming in game mode. In the store, Sony also had a very bad choice for demo video showing on the screen v.s. an LG and Samsung which really popped up and had that 3D effect.
I have the 77 S95c. What’s the correct shadow detail level to use on this tv? Putting it to +1 gives me slightly better shadow detail but not sure if it’s accurate. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
@ClassyTechCalibrations Great content as usual! The viewing distance from my living room is around 11 ft. My biggest question now is whether to choose between LG G3 77” or the LG G4 65”?
Note that the Witcher 3 is capped at 1000 nits. Only if you use igni it goes over 1000nits so that makes it not an ideal game to test Tvs that go above 1000 nits. I measured that with special software and got it confirmed by many others of the SK community
Really impressive tbh. Hopefully the release is smooth and not like last year with the uniformity issues and tinting. I’d like to switch my A95k to another room and grab this
All great tvs. I would say A95L, S95c,G4, G3. But you are an expert and this is a great video and the videos you make later with measurements will be something to see.
@@TheAntifluencer I have a qd oled s90c. I want to see if the G4 color can match qd oled when the reviews come out. Vincent Teoh will be reviewing and we'll see what he says. The G4 is a great tv no doubt.
@@TheAntifluencer LG G4 OLED does not have the final software THIS IS POST-PRODUCTION AND DEMO TV , sony and samsung have a calibrated image, the lg g4 does not have a calibrated image
Were you able to check SDR picture quality? I’m particularly curious what SDR near black is like OOTB cause LG usually crushes it a bit more than in HDR.
I’m pissed off at Sony pricing in UK so I know I won’t be touching that. Samsung quality is control is shite so that’s a no as well. LG G4 improves in so many aspects - sounds like perfect tv and now available in 83” makes it hard to not consider.
Is anyone upgrading from the G3 to the G4? I already own a 77” G3. I wonder if the upgrade is worth it. My opinion right now is that the upgrade is only worth it if you switch from 77” to 83”. But I want to hear from you about it.
Hell no…. I changed from a 2019 Panasonic GZW2004 to a s95c now and thats not a huuuuge Upgrade. G3 to G4 isnt worth at all. G2 to G3 was a much bigger gap
Hey Classy, I’m really curious to hear your take on LG’s ability to create 3D image depth with their processing that other manufacturers haven’t been able to achieve. As great as I’ve heard QD oled is, it has been described as looking more flat and painting-like in nature as opposed to the muti-layered depth and pop that Lg is capable of producing. I upgraded from the CX to the S90c and it does appear to be more flat in nature. Any tips on how I can achieve that 3D look? Thank you!
Here are the best ways to achieve that. Use contrast enhancer on high, set gamma to bt 1886 or 2.4. Reduce the brightness, force bt2020 on sdr with quantum tvs settings, turn on ai picture pro. My c1 looks insanely 3d with these settings to the point where it may scare you in some scenes because it looks like the objects are being thrown straight at your face. Try these settings and let me know and yes I saw the s90c and it's very flat looking unfortunately in a bright room. But those are with stock settings and I think the 3d depth can definitely be improved on it aswell if you follow my above settings! BTW how is the 3d effect of your s90c in a dark room compared to your cx? The g4 is the most 3d looking tv in the world right now as the processor is built to make the picture look more 3d.
Btw I get purists that they will only watch in 1000 nits because it was mastered so but there are few movies and will be more mastered in 4000. Also now you have control over dynamic tone mapping so I would say unless you watch pitch black all the time - near black is not as important as brightness.
Hey brother. I have a question. I got the s90c yesterday. And when i was playing a video form my ps5’s youtube for oled back test video i noticed a weird blocks/squares on top of each other all over the screen. Its only shows in the first few seconds when the object starts to appear(glass of water) form dark to light then it disappears. And the issue is also there in a few other videos. The weird thing i tried to play the same video but not on ps5 youtube but the Tv’s TH-cam and the scene was perfectly fine. Do you have any explanation for what is this?
Again here you say the WOLED has better near black saturation and yet it was scored considerably lower in the shootout on this specific attribute, and you said this yourself during interview with FOMO
@@Animal_lives_matter a particular model doing something doesn't mean other models of that technology are the same. Saturation is not gamut coverage. The G4 and C4 are different TVs with very different performance.
@ClassyTechCalibrations Ok thank you. Well I am very close to pulling the trigger on 55" G4. I'm paying extra for the G to hopefully get best saturation on SDR low light scenes vs the C4. In another video you said if the source was graded such that most of the content was in 709 gamut then it should be okay. I just want to avoid desaturated sickly zombie green/cyan skin tones on low light scenes which has been plaguing me for a long time with plasma and LED.
@@johanmelis12 I have the S95C since last year. I play games 8-10 hours straight at 4k 144hz with an RTX 4090 without a single screen dropout. Color volume and color brightness still better than the G4.
Probably the best video on G4 on TH-cam right now.
Some will never be happy
Yes it is, can't wait for the TV to be available on the market and to have more in depth videos about the G4.
For the quality of the immagine probabilly lg g4 is the best tv of the world 🏆📺
@@AmurTiger-vm5dy do you have it or you made your impression here on TH-cam?
@@AexoeroV the second version😂
When you really think about it, all the flagship TV's look amazing.
you dont even need to think. throw a dart. anyone would be more than satisfied with any of these
Until you play Mario Kart on them and pause and look at the screen on all 3 of them.
@@techsamurai11 I'm 76 years of age, my Mario Kart days are over. I bought the Sony A95L 77" and love it.
@@carlcat you made the right choice - Mario Kart looks a lot better on the A95L.
Yep they all look the same yet people will pony up day one price 😂
"0-1 nit near black is more important than going from 1000 to 2000 nits because it's in everything" finally someone says it!
Everyone seems to be focused on the peak brightness in these first looks/reviews. I couldn't care less about even brighter TVs, I want better near black performance!
Well being able to show the highlights properly is also very important. Less tone mapping and more HDR impact.
@@micker9830 Well yes but if a TV doesn't get bright enough or cannot tonemap good enough to retain detail in highlights, that's not nearly as distracting as detail loss in the near black region. Sure you loose some HDR-impact and instead of a detailed sun or flashlight, you just get a white surface on the screen but our eyes are not that sensitive to that. If there is a problem in the 0-5 nit region, our eyes are way more likely to pick up that there is something wrong, for example black crush (lifted shadows are not that big of a deal imo though since you won't know they're lifted as long as there is still true black), uneven uniformity, bad gradiation/posterisation coming out of black or artifacts which tend to occur in dark scenes like chrominance overshoot, heavy noise or macroblocking.
These things are way more important than a little blown out highlights also because - as classy said - it's visible in way more scenes than bright highlights and our eyes are more sensitive to it. The near black performance is the only thing I'm not quite happy about my S95C, as Classy said, there isn't a TV on the market yet that can do near black perfectly (Panasonic and LG are probably the closest atm), now that's what I like to see not more brightness.
Exactly, completely agree!
@@micker9830 The big difference is that tone mapping for peak highlights is almost always only noticeable in a side by side comparison, i.e. it is not perceived as a flaw on simple observation. Whereas weaknesses in the lower brightness levels are almost always perceived as disturbing and incorrect, e.g. as flashing artifacts. So I totally agree with Classy.
This is going to get really good with this apparent great new processor capability now. Can't wait for the Classy data breakdown on this one..
Great video very good evaluation and breakdown of the G4. I can't wait to see the G4 myself it looks to be a promising TV improving on so much.
Great video man, as always. Would you guys ever consider comparing a newer model to a TV 5-6 years ago or so? I think it would show the realistic change people would expect, just a thought
@fullhd5277 the "only"?? and there is 2 gen of evo and 2 gen of mla. and there is heatsink too.
all of this make difference. more resistence and much brighter, and better near black too.
You are really good at this Classy and I'm sure lots of us appreciate your work and knowledge !
I gotta say, not bad from LG G4 compared to the QD-OLED tv's. Quite close here and there, something i can life with it. there were some points where the G4 looks better imo.
LG G4 OLED does not have the final software THIS IS POST-PRODUCTION AND DEMO TV , sony and samsung have a calibrated image, the lg g4 does not have a calibrated image
I always use cinematic movements huge plus with G4 now it's smart
Huge plus game mode now fixed
2000 nits below 3% window is nice
I think G4 is a solid upgrade to all 1000 nits or lower OLED owners
What happened to the G4 hitting 3000 nit?????
Time for an upgrade from my C1 55" going for an 65" G4
@fepethepenguin8287 That is true at 10k Kelvin native panel temperature can reach 3000 nits below 3% window (Vivid mode)
at D65 it's 2000 nits still decent
@@kjell9745 Me too from C9
@@othman0077 ohhh that's right. It was at 10k.... wth ? Don't ask me.
I did not think going to 6500 would drop it a full nits
Glad i made a huge deal on S95C 65 Inch last week (1800€ with Calman Calibration 😍). The 2024 TVs dont seem to be a huge improvement like 2023 TVs have been.
G4 is looking amazing! Just ordered and knowing it will arrive without screen scratches like the Sony A95L I’m returning means a lot!
Mine came flawless with zero scratches. Regardless Some will never be happy no matter what.
Hey there im considering returning my a95l for the g4, can you let me know how it goes? :)
Keep in mind this is all 4k content he is shooting. 🙃 Need 1080 content and lower res for cable users to get the full idea of what TVs upscaling can do and what is more life like. Movie performance, tv shows and cable tv. Need more content to show that or at least talk about it. Preferably Less 4k demo content testing if possible for the everyday viewers habits.
My 65 a95L had zero scratches. January build.
Fantastic Video! I think I will get the G4 when there is a sale.
Wow the upscaling has improved a lot from the g3 to g4
This is the most important factor of anything. As an A95L owner, the G3 was close enough to the A95L in high quality content, but the A95L looked noticeably better in SDR
A11 processor
Awesome too see all the improvements. Perfectly happy with my 77 s90c. Been amazing thus far.
The S90C does not have the performance of the S95C, as it is limited in nits.
Great tv you have .
@@sachaburki8535You can go to the service menu and make it way brighter if you want to though.
This is the video I've been looking for a real technical comparison with information comparing the G series to the competitors 🖖🏾
Thanks for this. I'm sure you already know but for others: the Spears and Munsil disc contains a dedicated pattern specifically for chrominance overshoot: It's on disc 2, Motion, Near-black Overdrive.
You can also use as an alternative: disc 1, Advanced Video, Quantization 2D (Cb or Cr).
Obviously bear in mind those patterns are extremely dark.
Used the near black overdrive but its not quite the same for chrominance overshoot as some real content scenes. Certain scenes showcase it more than others. Streaming content can also amplify it from compression and less dithering or other effects used to mask near black issues.
@@ClassyTechCalibrationsIndeed! I'm skeptical that it's been 100% solved; all firmwares since 2018 have resorted to dithering near black and not using the white subpixel as a crutch/workaround, with varying levels of success. If they have truly fixed it at the *panel* level - and not just tweaked the dithering work-around for dark colours with spatial and temporal dithering - I'll be very, very impressed. Will be very interesting to see in the fullness of time.
S89C baby!
I tried grabbing one while it was on sale for $1799 but it’s at $1,999 now.
I have the Lg G3 and got it at a discount I think if you can get the older model do it nothing is really wrong with them, I think if you have the money G4 but for most difference for most people they will not see much of a big difference, of course, new tech usually seems to be better but the Lg G3 is over a thousand dollars off right now
Thanks Classy.. Awesome as always! Cant wait for follow-ups.
Very informative..thanks classy 🤠
CLASSY! will you analyze the colors of the S95D??? Curious if the filter for anti glare ruins color brightness.
you said a few negative remarks about the sony. is the Samsung better in your opinion?!
Going to be interesting in how LG G4 does against the Panasonic Z95A this year since that should have the latest Pentonic chip
Looking forward to this video!
Lg g 4 is clearly the winner 🏆📺
Shoot, I already bought a 77" LG G3 and my returned window closed from best buy. Really wanted to get that LG G4 now lol !
You won't even notice a difference, unless they were side by side. Once you start watching a show or movie you will enjoy it the same on either TV. I have an A95K and an A80J. The A95K has a better picture, but I watch all my movies on the A80J, because it's larger. I don't even notice or miss any PQ differences.
@@micker9830I have a 65" A80J. Thanks for aliviating what FOMO I have 😂
Yes g3 is mid tier last year model 😢
G4 isn't worth the price you'd be better off waiting for a bigger jump for the cost difference between the two
If I had not got the A95L last year I would probably have got the G4 this year. Think the differences are getting more and more minute though.
No way you would notice a difference lol. These comparisons are like looking at something with a magnifying glass. Actually using the TV to watch a show or movie, you would never notice or miss any differences. The A95L is better in some areas.
LG offers much better deals in Europe, a 83" G4 for the same price of a 77 A95L could likely make me wanna forget about QD Oled. lol
Exactly,! I think sony’s prices in Europe and the UK are ridiculous. Absolutely love the A95L but wouldn’t hesitate to get an 83 inch instead of a 77.
@@TheAntifluencer i have bought the lg g3 77 inch last year. its a bit scam. normally they upgrade the proccessor every year 1 generation up. this year 2 generations. so its a like a 2025 model. if i know that. i was not buying the lg g3. and was waiting for the lg g4
@@jantjedewaal i think they’re doing that with the C4 and the C5 will probably have the G4 processor. Sony are overpriced, but their ‘master series’ definitely stays top of the line for more than a year.
So, what panel would Classy take? I'd guess G4 or S95C 🤔
G4 is looking very promising
Anticipating.... LG G4 full domination!! will see
As long as they stick with WOLED, that's hardly gonna happen, unfortunately.
@MrBritishComedy maybe that true
but LG G4 is the closest TV to perfect now
Sony A95L there's a noticeable delay in picture processing which can lead to lips sync issue
also 2 HDMI2.1 only
G4 with 5 years warranty
dynamic cinematic movements
LG G4 is the complete package this year
@@MrBritishComedywhite subpixel is needed for purest white highlights don’t be a blind qd cultist.
I want the 83" size so I'am really struggling to pick a 77" A95L over this one. You are getting less TV with the Sony...but yea Upscaling and Sound would still likely be better, as well as Google TV and that Premium Bravia experience.
I'am split right now 😵💫
@@TheAntifluencer Good for you this year 83" is MLA on the G4
U couldn’t go wrong with any of them they all are awesome 😎
Bottom line for me…LG G3 77” dropped to $3500 last October and A95L 77” has always been $5000. Assuming this price trend is the same this holiday season, is the Sony A95L worth $5000 and worth $1500 more than the G4?
TV's are always getting better. and every year will make a difference. Its better to save the $1500 and in a few years it won't burn as bad to upgrade. Same concept with computers. side by sides fu*k our perception but once you get a G3 you'll be blown away and won't even think about something else.
@@305Nick Thanks, you just completely convinced me to go with the G4 this holiday. Very rational points 👍
Oh my god, thank you for bringing up the shimmering that the a95l has in highly texturized hdr scenes. It was driving me crazy not knowing if I had a bad panel or not, and Sony customer service has been absolutely useless.
It really is noticeable, and makes me want to sell the tv. My only concerns moving to an LG are the power usage and its lack of integration with Google home.
have you turned off reality creation?
@@techsamurai11yep. I fully played with every setting and every combination of settings
Any new gaming setting/feature? Or any previous setting/feature improved upon for the G4?
yes no more brightness loss in gaming mode / hgig.
Hey Classy,
Great video and objective explanation! G4 seems to be a good upgrade, also considering future proofing for 4000nit content. Will be interesting to see what Sony brings (XR80 seems interesting) and also the X955 from TCL( heard good things about it from German retailers)
Keep it up!
Classy - Why does the G3 look more yellow than the G4 non the butterfly?
G4 is good, maybe the best TV 2024 , but can not kill A95L, just a litte upgrade, G3 still powerful.
LG G4 OLED does not have the final software THIS IS POST-PRODUCTION AND DEMO TV , sony and samsung have a calibrated image, the lg g4 does not have a calibrated image
Fa@@СНСАЛЕКСАНДАРВУЧИЋFAKES !!!! LG G 4 IS THE BEST
Why does the g3 seem to have better/darker colors than the g4? Looks closer to the qdoleds?
How big is the difference in color saturation between the G4 and the qdoleds?
Please review with low quality content sources and compare with an older WOLED like a CX.
Need that 83 inch. I love my sony A95L but it seems there will be a G4 in my living room very soon
LG G4 OLED does not have the final software THIS IS POST-PRODUCTION AND DEMO TV , sony and samsung have a calibrated image, the lg g4 does not have a calibrated image
LOL your getting rid of that TV less than a year?
@@83442handle God no. Moving it to the bedroom
@user-pu2ro8ok3r that's why I'm even more impressed. No calibrators where I live so accuracy out of the box is essential
Does AI Picture Pro work on Filmmaker Mode ?
Kind of unrelated but when do you think PHOLED will release. Do you think it’s possible for 2025 release or more like 2026 or 2027?
Is the color luminance jump just at smaller window sizes or does it apply to all sizes?
Also, is the color luminance increase just proportional to the increase in white luminance? Or is it actually more saturated relative to white compared to the G3?
I’m not going to say which brand but I recently bought one of these in the 65 inch model for almost 60% off MSRP. Does it matter which one it was? No, at that price I’m beyond happy and love the tv.
What about color banding in game mode?
This is the real question tbh
So what would you recommend the G4 or the A95L for gaming/movies
G4 if gaming is more important or TV is in a bright room (e.g. daylight)
A95L if gaming is less important and older SDR, non-4k content id more important
65” g4 vs 77” g3 or s90d?
What picture setting u have the g4 on vivid mode? or standard mode? I know the g4 has more color pop.
As explained in the video they were in filmmaker (professional for the Sony).
Classy, how do I become a member for your TH-cam channel so I can get access to the recent streams?? Don’t see a link anywhere?
It should say "Join" near the subscribe button.
@@ClassyTechCalibrations it’s not showing up in the TH-cam app on the iPhone. Tried pulling it up in safari on my phone and not there either. Strange. Hope you’re not missing out on members because of a bug.
@@TaylorCFP oh, yeah iPhone is different. On Safari when you go to the channel press the "aA" on the bottom left and should be able to open in desktop browser and see the join button.
I can’t decide whether to buy Sony A95L, Samsung S95D or LG G4. How much dimmer in game mode is the A95L compared to presets outside of game mode?
Nice breakdown. Thanks! Although, it's not looking good that no reviewers have said there is a backlit remote, lol.
Funny how high tech these TVs can get but can't even give is back-lit remotes 😂
This year for me it’s between a 85” X95L and a 83” G4
No contest though really. I’m sure x95R will be a great tv but micro contrast is still OLED domain and LG processing makes it 3D like
144 Hz and fixed color brightness in game mode are very substantial upgrades for me as a PC gaming enthusiast. Coming from a G1 this makes me genuinely consider upgrading if it turns out to be great in other areas as well. Any idea/hints so far if we might see 240 Hz OLED TVs in the next 1-2 years?
@fullhd5277
Any source on that? TCL has been pushing 4K 240 Hz already (although with halved vertical res I believe) and Samsung is pushing their outrageously expensive MicroLED to 240 Hz. LG OLEDs have also supported proper 4K 120 Hz via HDMI 2.1 earlier than the monitor market, so your statement doesn’t hold true there. It really only depends on LG Display or Samsung Display to push their TV panels to 240 Hz, since LG/Samsung Electronics could very easily reach that level through DSC and they already are in their monitors. Might need a more capable TV SOC as well but since those two companies are also developing them in house I don‘t see that as a hurdle. It could easily happen any year, I‘m just interested if any industry insider knows the companies‘ plans of when they‘ll actually bring it to market.
4k at 240hz is gonna be really hard to take advantage of
@@dante19890 You do need good hardware for that but not the absolute best of everything and those TVs aren't gonna be for budget buyers either. With tech like DLSS in Performance mode and Frame Gen you only need to render at 1080p and achieve a base frame rate of 70+ fps to exceed the 120 fps my G1 can currently display even in games like Cyberpunk with maxed Path Tracing with my 4090. That's the best hardware you can get of course but let's say you're playing less demanding games and you use DLSS Performance + Frame Gen as well you'd easilly get past 144 fps in quite a lot of games even with a 4070. Still a niche group of people that'll use such a rig with a TV and aim for high frame rates like these but if you want you can take advantage of it even without completely busting the bank.
Hi, is it possible bring the near black to reference A95L via calibration?
This comparison are all OOTB?
Any chance LG could bring custom DTM HDR roll off curves calibration to older models via firmware update?
they probably could do this but wont. This is how they get you to buy the newer model. It is now a selling feature :(
Was waiting to see if Samsung/Sony would have a 83"QD OLED this year. It does not look to be the case so the G4 wins by default. Although to be honest they all look great. I Would prefer the A98L-M or whatever it would be called so too bad 77" is the max ( again). Now LG, let's talk about this $6,500 price tag
Has the color banding improved over the G3 during gaming? It’s really noticeable on the G3….
The comparison at 2:35 is significant. QD-OLED looked great
LG G4 OLED does not have the final software THIS IS POST-PRODUCTION AND DEMO TV , sony and samsung have a calibrated image, the lg g4 does not have a calibrated image
@@СНСАЛЕКСАНДАРВУЧИЋthat’s not true, classy said all the tvs were using out of the box settings
Chart #3 has higher peaks than #2 and also, look at the actual content showing the 4 screens on the right. Put the video in 4K quality and click the full screen button and it is quite significant especially the primary colors of red green and blue IMHO.@fullhd5277
@user-pu2ro8ok3r none of the tvs are Calibrated and you can't rule out lg being cherry picked which is likely
Classy I can get a 77” G3 with 124 hours on it for $2000. It seems like a great deal and was wondering what to look for to verify its a clean panel etc.
What’s better the 65inch A95L or the 65inch G4? I have the LG G3 65inch right now and I’m going to take it back so I can get one of them.
Thank you. Excellent video!
Classy, what would your advise be: buy an 83 inch Sony A80L bundle with a soundbar HT-A7000 for €4300 in Europe, or wait a little longer and spend a little more on the G4 83 inch that has an MLA panel?
Very good picture + very good sound vs. Very Very good picture + bad sound.
I would pick the a80l, it'll be the better experience overall I think.
@@bilalbiriri6596 I believe the reason I am also doubting about the a80L is because I’ve read some reviews about it being the most dim OLED tv and that it apparently has aggressive dimming in game mode. In the store, Sony also had a very bad choice for demo video showing on the screen v.s. an LG and Samsung which really popped up and had that 3D effect.
What player do you use when playing back content from your PC?
Did you get chance to compare the sound on the G4? It was awful on the G3.
Does g4 play 4k ultra dvd
Nice to see all the improvements but what about SDR gaming luminosity ?
Any new or interesting info about the service menu?
What’s better for A95L. Dolby dark w/ gradation preferred or HDR10?
Excellent overview. Thanks.
I wonder if they improved the game mode picture quality
I have the 77 S95c. What’s the correct shadow detail level to use on this tv? Putting it to +1 gives me slightly better shadow detail but not sure if it’s accurate. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
My TV was actually calibrated by classytech. 65 LG cx
LG THE KING IS BACK G4-83 FIRST DAY PURCHASE LETS GO
"Size matters" that's what she says. 😆
83 inch G4 Is on Amazon now for $5,905 , I thought the price was $6499 but that's what I see atm.
@@fawkkyutuu8851 it is on Amazon for that price I orded mine this morning 83inch
Lg g 4 is the king👑📺
@ClassyTechCalibrations Great content as usual! The viewing distance from my living room is around 11 ft. My biggest question now is whether to choose between LG G3 77” or the LG G4 65”?
77
Great video, does anybody know if peak brightness in SDR game mode is still locked?
Edit: It is still locked but seems brighter this year.
Note that the Witcher 3 is capped at 1000 nits. Only if you use igni it goes over 1000nits so that makes it not an ideal game to test Tvs that go above 1000 nits. I measured that with special software and got it confirmed by many others of the SK community
Does the 55" LG G4 have the gen 2 MLA tech like the larger sizes?
I'm not seeing otherwise in the marketing literature, but want to be sure.
yes
Really impressive tbh. Hopefully the release is smooth and not like last year with the uniformity issues and tinting. I’d like to switch my A95k to another room and grab this
It’s postcalibrated?
ootb.
Are you going to go to do Samsung S90D? There is little out there for calibration it would be so helpful.
Is the g4 going to be in game mode
All great tvs. I would say A95L, S95c,G4, G3. But you are an expert and this is a great video and the videos you make later with measurements will be something to see.
1. A95L 2. G4 3. S95C
yea the G3 had too many issues
@@TheAntifluencer I have a qd oled s90c. I want to see if the G4 color can match qd oled when the reviews come out. Vincent Teoh will be reviewing and we'll see what he says. The G4 is a great tv no doubt.
@@TheAntifluencer LG G4 OLED does not have the final software THIS IS POST-PRODUCTION AND DEMO TV , sony and samsung have a calibrated image, the lg g4 does not have a calibrated image
@@TheAntifluencer many issues. i have no issues. great tv mate. have the latest firmware.
@@TheAntifluencer Sony lol 😅 Blind Shootout Loser of 2023 🤷♂️
Thank you Classy, could you check if the G4 still emitting as much heat as G3 in the back
G4 is the all round finest set
Can you check please*
I know the power consumption is higher so heat being expelled from it may increase.
@@ClassyTechCalibrations Thank you for fast reply, much appreciated
Damn classy has already got his g4?!
Not yet, I was at LG HQ in NJ.
How has black crush and abl improved with G4 vs G3? Any decrease in any any of them with the G4 and to what degree?
Those are demonstrated in the video. Less crushing near black and mildly less ABL.
Were you able to check SDR picture quality? I’m particularly curious what SDR near black is like OOTB cause LG usually crushes it a bit more than in HDR.
I'll be doing a lot more testing soon. Unfortunately didn't have time for any SDR.
@@ClassyTechCalibrations Did you purchase one already? 83”?
Which TV has the best motion interpolation on a high setting/soap opera effect? Thanks
That's really subjective but I'd say with high interpolation LG and Samsung have less artifacts than Sony.
@@ClassyTechCalibrations classy I thought Sony had the best motion (overall), isn't that the case anymore?
Did you notice any banding? G3, at least 65 inches has annoying banding
I’m pissed off at Sony pricing in UK so I know I won’t be touching that. Samsung quality is control is shite so that’s a no as well. LG G4 improves in so many aspects - sounds like perfect tv and now available in 83” makes it hard to not consider.
Is anyone upgrading from the G3 to the G4? I already own a 77” G3. I wonder if the upgrade is worth it. My opinion right now is that the upgrade is only worth it if you switch from 77” to 83”. But I want to hear from you about it.
I agree, only if you go up in size. Otherwise hold out another year or two for the next big jump.
@ClassyTechCalibrations coming from a G2 55 inch. Worth the upgrade to 55 inch G4. 75% PC Gaming. 25% Streaming and 4k Blueray?
Hell no…. I changed from a 2019 Panasonic GZW2004 to a s95c now and thats not a huuuuge Upgrade.
G3 to G4 isnt worth at all. G2 to G3 was a much bigger gap
@@francis147741 G2 is still a great TV. Hold out another year or two.
Hey Classy, I’m really curious to hear your take on LG’s ability to create 3D image depth with their processing that other manufacturers haven’t been able to achieve. As great as I’ve heard QD oled is, it has been described as looking more flat and painting-like in nature as opposed to the muti-layered depth and pop that Lg is capable of producing. I upgraded from the CX to the S90c and it does appear to be more flat in nature. Any tips on how I can achieve that 3D look? Thank you!
Here are the best ways to achieve that. Use contrast enhancer on high, set gamma to bt 1886 or 2.4. Reduce the brightness, force bt2020 on sdr with quantum tvs settings, turn on ai picture pro. My c1 looks insanely 3d with these settings to the point where it may scare you in some scenes because it looks like the objects are being thrown straight at your face. Try these settings and let me know and yes I saw the s90c and it's very flat looking unfortunately in a bright room. But those are with stock settings and I think the 3d depth can definitely be improved on it aswell if you follow my above settings! BTW how is the 3d effect of your s90c in a dark room compared to your cx? The g4 is the most 3d looking tv in the world right now as the processor is built to make the picture look more 3d.
Btw I get purists that they will only watch in 1000 nits because it was mastered so but there are few movies and will be more mastered in 4000. Also now you have control over dynamic tone mapping so I would say unless you watch pitch black all the time - near black is not as important as brightness.
Hey brother. I have a question. I got the s90c yesterday. And when i was playing a video form my ps5’s youtube for oled back test video i noticed a weird blocks/squares on top of each other all over the screen. Its only shows in the first few seconds when the object starts to appear(glass of water) form dark to light then it disappears. And the issue is also there in a few other videos. The weird thing i tried to play the same video but not on ps5 youtube but the Tv’s TH-cam and the scene was perfectly fine. Do you have any explanation for what is this?
Consoles media players aren't great, and it's just a bandwidth limitation. Not from the TV.
@@ClassyTechCalibrations got the answer form the best! Thanks brother
Does the chrominance overshoot look any better on the G4 ? Its driving me crazy on my 77G3 I just cannot unsee it .
Vincent’s video (and even this one) say it’s been improved substantially
LG's Processors Prove to Be World's Best
idk Sony is still the best for upscaling, but this year LG seems to be right up there.
LG G4 OLED does not have the final software , sony and samsung have a calibrated image, the lg g4 does not have a calibrated image
Again here you say the WOLED has better near black saturation and yet it was scored considerably lower in the shootout on this specific attribute, and you said this yourself during interview with FOMO
@@Animal_lives_matter a particular model doing something doesn't mean other models of that technology are the same. Saturation is not gamut coverage. The G4 and C4 are different TVs with very different performance.
@ClassyTechCalibrations
Ok thank you. Well I am very close to pulling the trigger on 55" G4. I'm paying extra for the G to hopefully get best saturation on SDR low light scenes vs the C4.
In another video you said if the source was graded such that most of the content was in 709 gamut then it should be okay. I just want to avoid desaturated sickly zombie green/cyan skin tones on low light scenes which has been plaguing me for a long time with plasma and LED.
@@Animal_lives_matter you want have that problem with any of the premium to flagship OLEDs available today. They are all great.
S95C was best, let the war commence.
S95c was trash with black screen dropouts during gaming
Same as my old ks8000 had
@johanmelis12 Nah clearly better.
S95C is third place here lol.
@@CaliFinestDemon First place*
@@johanmelis12 I have the S95C since last year. I play games 8-10 hours straight at 4k 144hz with an RTX 4090 without a single screen dropout. Color volume and color brightness still better than the G4.
I'm so sick of hearing about HDR on all Channels Most things are in SDR ,,,,,, What's your take on SDR Content ???
Can the cinematic movement feature work on game mode for the G4?
It's one of the motion interpolation settings. It'll increase input lag noticeably if you disable allm.
HDTVTest said that you have to disable ALLM to make use of motion interpolation.
@@MirelRC edited the comment. You can but not with low input lag.
@@ClassyTechCalibrations yeah. That's the disadvantage
G4 has improved much
Not really 🤷♂️ its possibly the best of those four, but its not worth the extra money at the moment