Your grandad was a smart dude. May his soul rest in peace. I personally like working hybrid but a lot of times... Yeah it's just bling palaces for execs to stroke their.. egos
That makes no sense. Large buildings are a very efficient use of land. How else could you have thousands and thousands of people using a half acre of land?
@@JK-vc7ie Are you being serious? The last couple of years have proven that they are not needed. There has already been done to prove that people working from home had no diminished productivity and in many cases it increased. Why pay the property taxes on a mega building if you can get employees to use their own homes. Why hire the best skilled people simply from your area when you can hire globally?
Advantages of working from home: - More family time - 2-4 hours that would have been spent getting ready and commuting to work reallocated to the "family time" budget - My office is as quiet or as loud as I want. No yelling three tables over to distract me, no sales guy constantly interrupting my thoughts with his spiel. - Not driving, a cost savings in excess of $100 a week and climbing. - Healthier, cheaper meals made at home, usually during a mandatory meeting that doesn't need my contribution. - Not bringing sicknesses home from work to infect my family Cons of working from home: - I have to buy my own Le Croix
I love the family time budget one, doing what's precious in those moments versus being aggravated in traffic, burning fuel and time, on top of going in to deal with office politics and internal bullshit. Stay home, be happy, and do the work instead. :D
"Advantages of working from home:" With gasoline prices over $5/ gallon or even $6-7/ gallon most definitely. Another reason is safety. The locations where some of these workplaces are in were once safe, are no longer so with the crazy people (and other criminals) let lose into the cities by "progressive" politicians and their enablers in the district attorney's office.
Joshua, I’m 69 years old, I worked in an office for a couple years. I didn’t care for it. I learned a trade and worked construction for 41 years and loved it. I respect the young people now who are demanding more from their employers. I would hate working for a corporation. The entire company culture has changed over the last 20 years. Companies have become ruthless , cruel and psychotic. Employees don’t matter. They are just bodies in cubicles , replaceable at a managers whim. Dave Ramsey and his minions are not living in this day and age. Their opinions are based on company life in the 1970’s.
What’s sad is we talk about companies like they are their own being, yet they are made up of people, so it’s people who are more ruthless, cruel and psychotic today.
@@csmith7411 The people at the top, to be specific. CEO, shareholders, etc. Everyone else, employee or not, are seen as nothing more than numbers to them.
It is also about power. Look, if you are a manager and you say “jump” you want your employee not only jump but you also want to see the employee jump. You want to see your power. It is just sad.
Yes, they are afraid unsupervised people will take advantage of the situation and slack off. That's a very reasonable concern. That said, take a look at productivity when people worked from home and see what the actual facts are at your specific company with your specific employees.
I hated the office - politics, backstabbing, gossip, cult-like atmosphere, commuting, interruptions, open office layout marketed like it was special. Less time to exercise and eat healthy where I have full control over my diet. I currently switched teams to a team that 95% remote - but I wasn't grandfathered in so I was forced to relocate to an area and we still don't go into the office. Now I'm away from friends..family...bored out of my mind because I don't know anybody while in a smaller metro, hard to meet people. Got to love corporate! I like my job but feel like it's time for a new one.
I keep on thinking that’s why companies usually promote employees that are “willing to relocate” to a different office, specially the ones in either bigger cities or literally very remote locations. They want their employees to be away from family, friends, social life (AKA for them: distractions), so that you can eat, breath, and dream about work. They don’t want your focus on anything else, but work, work, and more work, until you eventually either die or retire. I don’t give two fucks about talking and socializing with the people I work with, if you hired me to work, why are they then pretended to be worried that we don’t socialize with our co-workers. You hired us to work and be productive, let us work and be actually productive. Please.
Get a PO box in the corporate area, and move to wherever you want. Just make sure to use a VPN and set it to the corporate area code so they won't find out.
@@angelloro I still can't understand how companies can think that being away from family and friends makes someone more productive. If I know my loved ones are ok and if I can spend my free time with people I actually care about, I will be more focused while doing my job, therefore more productive. Companies should understand that family always comes first so if they force their employees to chose, they shouldn't act surprised when they are not the first choice. Just like I don't expect to be theirs.
For real. I can hear my coworker exploding in the bathroom around 10x a day. Then he doesn’t wash his hands. Like come on, I don’t want to be around someone like that.
As a business owner it is very, very easy to spot people that claim to know about business yet have no practical experience doing so. Mr. Coleman here loves to write books on employees and hiring, but for the life of me I cannot find his business past. The most I found is that he has a BA in Political Science from a liberal arts college. He doesn't even have a finance, MBA or other type of business degree. Every word out of his mouth is from someone who read a book and thinks he knows how things work. Literally some of the worst advice I have ever heard. If you are a true capitalist then you do not care what people wear or do: what your care about is getting work done and getting paid for that work. Everything else is a distraction. Every single day you wake you would should be thinking about how to make as much money with as little amount of work. If you are worried about what pants people are wearing or the food they are eating then you are not focusing on the important part. And that is the key for people like Ken here. They can't talk about work because they don't have any original or novel ideas to improve work or make more money. They want to sell you books about vague concepts and self help crap.
I think you mean an ideal capitalist, by theoretical standards. They do think about making as much money as possible without having to pay people for their work. Exploitation is the name of the game.
Funnily enough 2 of my old bosses didn't let me work remote more than 1 times a week. Years later both worked remotely heavily - like for months. It's all about control. Nothing about culture or employee health. Just control.
This reminds me of car manufacturers. The owners lobby for cars and roads that are to wide to be everywhere, turning cities into a loud hot mess (literally), all live in quiet neighborhoods lined with trees and away from those *same* roads that cost millions of dollars. Like that, those two bosses of yours have been hijacking you guys out of whats actually best for you.
Exactly! This was my biggest reason to switch from being an accounting to being a software developer - the ability to work remotely, as I realised I was working only so I could afford to go to work! My rent when I used to live closer to the business centre was twice what I pay now that I am remote and I also sold my car (I live in the UK and honestly don't need it at all), which freed up £800 post tax income for me. Remote is not only about convenience (albeit that is good enough reason to fight for the right to work remotely), but also about money! It costs so much more to rent near the office buildings. Working remotely saves so much time and money it is insane. I was never able to save money before, now on the top of the above savings I also cook at home from scratch all my meals as I have the time to do that and all this has changed my life. I can finally put money on the side and focus on building my future, not just work to make somebody else rich - remote is a win-win, you still deliver a product, but on this occasion you also get to save quite a bit too.
Ken: Employees are threatening to quit if they're made to come back into the office, how dare they! Also Ken: No-one is forcing you, if you don't like it, you can just quit! 🤦
I love how Ken and his kind keep pushing the FUD that remote work will hurt your career progression. Newsflash: Career progression has been a dead thing for a long time now. Nowadays, your only real path to promotions is by changing jobs. This isn’t 1999, Ken.
Job progression now is like Employer: Thanks for coming to your yearly review, it looks like your default raise would be about [amount that doesn't even cover inflation]...but it looks like your performance has been very good this year... Employee: So- Employer: But unfortunately you didn't reach our benchmark of 350% productivity, you scored 98%. So I'm afraid I can't give you a raise. We can't afford giving you any more, the CEO needs his seventh yacht.
@@LilacMonarch And then, 6 months later - Employer: We appreciate all of your hard work and unpaid overtime. Unfortunately, we've come to the very difficult decision to terminate your position. However, we will offer a generous one week severance, and COBRA. We wish you the best of luck in the future. Let us know if we can help in any way.
These people flipped on their own argument. Literally went from, "You're really going to quit your job over this?" To "If you don't like it, find a job that lets you work remote." In a single segment.
I went from being a secretary in offices (low pay, depressed, and hating my life to the point I had to seek therapy), to unemployed for 2 years and surviving on freelance work in a different field I preferred because I refused to commute to another dead end job. Just this year alone, I went from freelancing to a full time salary + benefits within a company, and I was just promoted again today to a team leader -- and I did it all while working remotely. Remote work not just progressed my career, but it helped to progress my LIFE because I'm making money that I would never get in the current place I live. I'm finally able to move this summer to a much better place. I couldn't be more grateful for all of the opportunity I've had because of remote work - I'm happier than ever. Dave Ramsay and his folks can shove it. I'm sorry that they're the miserable ones now.
@amanda, yes, I totally agree with you! I switched careers precisely so I could work from home and advance my life on all fronts - and I am finally getting to do that! I am making way more than at my past jobs that required my physical presence, too. I finally have the chance to really take care of my health, and I'm really happy. Screw Ramsay and those who think like him. They're just salty that we have more opportunities, and they can no longer control us like before
Lol I'm a wfh software dev, i was in shorts and tshirt and had an ice cream today. And i shipped a key feature for my employers webapp, and attended multiple team meetings. We meet up in the small office when we actually need to meet up, socials, planning sessions etc, this hasn't damaged my work relationships or job prospects at all. The only job prospects that have been damaged are those employers and recruiters that send me non remote roles, IN THE TRASH.
You know what, same here and just reading the first sentence of your response took me out, we're literally twins in life right now 😂 what flavor ice cream did you have btw? I ate Birthday cake ice cream lmao
EXACTLY. Some like vanilla ice cream, some like chocolate. Others are lactose intolerant. Don't force ice cream down the throat of people who don't want it.
There are DROVES of leftists, rightists, religious people and more that are pretty convinced by design of the contrary - and then a discrete amount of supporting cases unfortunately
@@simonebernacchia5724 Their entire life requires that others do just as they say/think. They have no sense that some people will reject their way and do something else.
A bit unrelated to this video but I think it's long overdue - Three years back, I was constantly overworking, peer pressured to stay at work late and had sacrificed most of my hobbies because I was too tired to do anything when I came back home at 10pm. I was too scared to switch jobs because it apparently looks bad on your resume. Moreover, I was also brainwashed by their illusion of job security and company family culture. I started watching this channel during the uncertain times of early 2020, when my employer was forced to let us work from home. I took your advice and changed my mindset about work and corporate in general. Once I started looking for opportunities, I came to know how much I was underpaid for the kind of work I was doing. I hopped a few jobs and last month I joined a well-established company in a full-remote zero-overtime role with SIX times the pay I was getting two years back. I am not expected to sit on my ass staring at the screen when I am done with my work. So, I get plenty of time to nurture my hobbies, work on a side hustle and most importantly spend time with friends and family. I see a lot of negativity around this channel, and I wanted to share a positive story about the real impact you and your videos are making around the world. You are doing good work, Josh. Thank you.
I've got my annual report from work yesterday. Been working remote since 2020 and I have been told that i've done more work & more quality work than when I was in office. I'm an optic fiber desk technician. Being confortable, in a place where i'm not stressed with my cat & able to watch a series/movie while I work helped me mentally. And i'm not forced to commute 40 mins which benefit everybody. Ken is stuck into this 50/60s mentality of "If we do that boss will notice", which is bull because it won't be rewarded, it mean you will be asked to do even more. He also does not realize that for people with disability like me, the acceptation of remote work was a blessing that helps a lot. I've been able to have physical therapy at home every week now, i'm less tired & less stressed. This guys is so self centered that he can't imagine people have motivations & other reasons that are legit for remote work.
Cyborg Wolf - May I ask how you got into your Optic Fiber remote job? I'm recovering from an injury, and it made me realize that remote work is so much better. I don't want to waste time and hurt my mental health wasting hours every day commuting. Any advice you could give would be appreciated!
@@TheBigExclusive Well, i'm french so it's kinda different I guess. First, it was because of covid, they said we could work home & all. Then we had to come back 3 days a week but I asked for the work doctor to give the words I really didn't want to because I was "afraid" of covid (i'm not). That means until the health emergency is still in place in my country I can work at home. Then when it'll be over (if) i'll negociate, saying that with my disability & all it's better for me to work home. The best idea is to get your physician to write something that says you would benefit greatly from remote work, and put as many medical proofs in your file to back you up. If your work has a union then go to them & try to ask them too. It's all about the willigness of your boss I guess. Good luck!
I just changed jobs to a fully remote position. This company has always been remote even before the pandemic. It's been less than 3 weeks and I'm already feeling so much better about life. Oh and this job has better pay and benefits.
Same. I got a written warning for refusing to return to the office, as I see absolutely no reason to do so, so I left and got a fully remote role on more money 😆
@@dan44zzt231 What type of work do you guys do now that is fully remote? I have to go back in 2 days per week now and it's annoying me a lot. Think I'm gonna start looking online for fully remote positions.
@@seosam652 I'm a Civil Engineer/Draughtsman, lots of smaller companies in my industry are moving to fully remote now so they can hire employees outside of their geographic area.
OMG Josh, you're literally saying exactly what I've been saying!! My company's doing hybrid because we really need "culture and collaboration". Everyone literally stares quietly at there screens all day or is on Zoom calls. Pile of steaming BS!!
What is this "culture and collaboration"? Why is it needed if most them just sit at their desk staring at the screen? Granted some occupations such as software development, medicine/healthcare or architecture require some collaboration but why culture? What is "culture"? They are there to produce work not socialize.
Been WFH for 2.5 years and my productivity is exactly the same if not more. I was able to lead people, coach people, help people and all while seeing my toddler son grow up. I know it's not for everybody, but some people (me included) really like it. I might go back to the office one day, but that day is not today.
I'm in the same boat as you. It's great when you can prioritize your life and family and still get the job done. Started this concept during COVID and I want to keep it that way.
The way these people label remote/wfh people as ‘lazy’ or ‘sweatpants and ice cream’ etc, just gives me insight into how THEY are from home. It just shows that they can’t work productively from home and decide that the rest of us are the same. That’s like me saying nobody can be productive in the office just because I struggle to be. People in office buildings are just excess coffee and gossip. There, I said it. Obviously neither statement is 100% true.
Working in office sucks balls. People are talking laughing and making some noises i cant focus at all. I dont like using earplugs so it’s terrible work environment for me. I also dont like dressing like a bank office worker. At home is so chill, you can sit in your boxer shorts and a tshirt eat ice cream drink red bull. As long as your work load for the day is done everything is perfect 👍🏽
I am a CPA, and about 80% of my working hours over the past two years have been remote. My productivity has skyrocketed and my stress levels have plummeted. Many “boomers” like to believe that working from home equates to playing video games, smoking weed, and playing with yourself all day - that’s simply not the case. If I’ve been doing that for two years, I would be unemployed.
It's 100% a control issue. Almost no employee I have met has said they would never come back to the office ever...most people are willing to do the things they need to do to get the job done. The other astonishing thing is that they want people to want to be around each other to improve culture, but these same employees will actually want to be around each other more when it's not forced. Everyone feels like a sucker when you waste gas and time and emotional energy to drive to an office to sit under florescent lighting and doing the same work they could have done from their home. What's truly amazing is that in any job that requires creativity or thoughtfulness the best work comes when the person is relaxed and happy at work. When I'm writing for my job, if I'm stressed, I can't put out good work. When I'm feeling good and relaxed I can write forever. How does the office help that?
I saw the original video, and I was pissed! Remote Work is a blind spot for Dave Ramsey personalities like Ken Coleman! I see remote work being the "default" mode for most office work in the near future!
I’ve been hearing this “hurting your professional possibilities” BS more often now from the usual corporate suspects if you don’t return back to the office. I guess that’s code for the micromanager insecure corporate types to threaten employees since their egos are not being brushed live every single working hour.
Ken: " you're willing to change jobs, to quit, to start over...?? " People not liking, or hating their job, and deciding to quit and find something that better suits their needs or wellbeing; that sh*t has been going on long before Ken was even a twinkle in his mother's eye; now he's acting like it's doomsday.
Exactly! This is a benefit to workers and should be held in the same light as paid vacation time, sick days, 401K's, stock options... if one employer doesn't offer it, find another that does. Eventually it either gets codified in a law or the companies that don't offer it face dire staffing issues.
Joshua, I have to say, this episode made a damn good cup of coffee. Anyone that had to go in to the office during 2020 and say they would choose the office now over remote work, don't do any real 'WORK'!.
I’ll tell you this. Kevin O’Leary, the supposed ruthless businessman, is a huge proponent of remote work. Meanwhile Dave Ramsey, the supposed kind and gentle financial helper, is totally opposed to remote work. Gotta know who’s the caring person vs the sadistic person.
Hey. If i can get my work done in sweatpants and eating a big fat ice cream sandwich, its none of anyones business. I'm saving so much on gas money and wear and tear on my car. WFH has been a boon for me
Let's be honest, this messaging is really for employees of Ramsey Solutions watching this. This narrative has to be true to support the cult, I mean, company.
Straight up I quit my job if I'm required to come back to the office. I have an in-demand skill and am the top performer in my department, which is one of the biggest money makers. My company needs me and I know it, so it will likely not come to it, but if it were, I'd not only get another remote job but also very likely it would come with a raise.
@@TheBigExclusive I'm doing both tech support and cyber security. Specifying in cyber for a higher wage and better prospects for the future. Not something anyone can just pick up though
What's absolutely hilarious about these people is that they "completely understand" why someone would quit their job over vaccine mandates. But want to work from home? Pick up your bootstraps. The Ramsey show has always been a clown show.
That’s an excellent point. I wish someone would say that to them. I’m not surprised at the hypocrisy. It’s obvious to me and likely many others that these people think they are better than others.
it’s actually incredibly sad (and telling) that work is deemed a place to get almost your entire quota of socialization… the literal only people i work with, are lazy, rude and dumb as a bag of freakin rocks. every night i go into work, 11 pm - 7:30 am, i have to deal with multiple people that make me want to jump off a cliff. my job is not possible remote, but if it was, you bet your ass i’d take a paycut or whatever else they threaten so that i could stay at home and not ever see these idiots ever again, even if it meant being alone all day every day. that’s better than feeling my blood pressure rise dangerously every night.
The corporations really screwed up when they forced remote work on people for two years. In the two years people have been made to do that, they've realized it's actually sustainable.
I think most people always knew remote work was sustainable, it was just impossible to get managers to budge. I work in IT with 1bgps symmetrical internet for the last 5 years. Of course I knew I could do 100% of my job remotely, my bandwidth is greater than at the office! But no, I had to come in and sit in a cube so my boss could slowly walk around with his coffee cup in hand and eave's drop on my conversations to make sure I was doing real work. When the pandemic hit we all went remote and collectively said "FINALLY" on day 1. Of course my idiot boss actually quit his job for an office gig and was promptly demoted and now out of work while the rest of us can finally have some peace from the interruptions.
My wife works for one of the top 3 health care insurance companies. She has been working remotely for over 11 years. They used the money they saved on leasing a building, utilities, maintenance, and upkeep. They invested in their people, still have a lot of teamwork, collaboration and innovation happening. She has even sent lunch to her team, REMOTELY. It comes down to the owners are locked into the NNN leases and they know commercial real estate in stupid right now and you can’t give it way. Look at New York, vacant buildings everywhere. There’s a major employee shift happening and the rules aren’t in any book or coporate seminar middle management has ever attended. Higher Education is next frontier to be disrupted.
YES I took online classes during COVID and it was actually pretty good depending on your professor. The only thing I have trouble with is maybe the math classes.
I can tell that Dave Ramsay is one of those bosses who micro-manages his employees... like, when he's not there, they have great productivity and are happy... but when he comes into work, he starts scrutinizing and directing everyone, ruining the work flow and morale. Employers don't want their employees to be happy - they want to control them and supervise them.
Find yourself a company that loves remote work from leadership downwards. Don’t give up, they’re out there, I work at such a place. Don’t underestimate the power of convenience that remote work offers for all levels of the corporate ladder. You will weed out the toxic employers right away, anyway.
Wdym. Remote work isn't going anywhere. If you have a skillet, you can make demands of your employer. If not then walk, and another employer will be willing to give you remote
I'm in my ninth year working remote for the same company. There are more remote employment opportunites out there but it as also more completive. If you speak a 2nd language..there maybe more remote based opportunites with companies who have offices in multiple countries.
To be trapped inside a building being needlessly micromanaged by people you don’t even like 8 hours + a day, 5 days/week, 1 hour + daily commutes to and from work in horrid traffic, ridiculously overpriced fuel expenses to fill up gas tank, continuously short staffed, overwhelmed, overworked, stressed out, underpaid and risking one’s health and well-being during the Covid/Delta pandemic. Not to mention, office B.S. politics and meaningless quick superficial greetings. No thank you. Working in-office sucks. I’m happy for all the remote workers. Working in healthcare with patients bedside, no working remotely for us. As a retiree, I’m happier having left the rat race workforce. Retirement is good. Time and family is what truly matter. The work will always be there. It’s never ending. Love and blessings to you all.
Just like an apartment, if a large company has 50,000 square feet of leased office space they're going to pay hundreds of thousands if not millions to "get out" of those leases. They don't just turn over the keys and walk away from it.
Ok. Then keep paying the rent. The rent doesn't go up just because no one's there. And eventually leases come up for renewal. If you aren't using a building, it's easy at that point to decide not to renew
I love how Ken starts out taking the piss out of people quiting over a lack of remote work, then ends with a statement to the effect of, "if you don't like your work, quit your job". "Internal Consistency" much???
@@Seattle-2017 and of course anyone who quits, it's a failing their part. They're lazy, entitled, worthless, etc. It can't possibly be cause the job sucks. These people get high on their "job creator" farts.
I find it weird how he starts off belittling people for their decisions regarding getting different jobs, but manages to come back and say they're entitled to their choices.
I will say I’m proud of my company (this one time). I work for a company that owns a few smaller business units, mine being one of those small BUs. Anyways, the company started this “come back to the office” bs and as a BU we basically said “nope we don’t wanna”. Luckily they could never hire enough people to replace us all so I’m full time WFH (as is my whole BU). It’s ridiculous to force people in a tech field into coming back to an office just to join webex meetings. We can do that mess from home. It’s management that wants to feel needed as only babysitters. I think the main reason our ‘plot’ was successful was that my manager will do exactly what I can do, which actually means a lot. Recently the company actually sold our buildings, keeping a huge chunk of money, and we are happy. It’s refreshing to work for a company that thinks about its employees. I can’t imagine working for one of these morons.
Josh, let's be honest. Roasting Ken isn't ACTUAL work, because work usually require lots of effort, whereas the jokes about Ken practically write themselves.
I’ve been working from home for a year now and I love it. My work/life balance is sustainable and productive. My job is primarily email-based and entering information in a database so we don’t need to be in the office. Working from home, when there’s a lull and emails are slow I can go ahead and prepare dinner, make breakfast, get a workout in, read a book, clean the house, etc. when I used to work in the office and came home once work was over I was always so damn tired and didn’t have the energy to do anything. The difference is night and day.
Been working remote since a few months before the plandemic. First at a job I had for 10 years. And now at a job in which I've never gone to an office; not even for the interviews. While this new job is having people come back to office. My manager says I will stay a remote employee. BECAUSE I'M DOING A GOOD WORK !
I hated the idea of working from home at first, then when it happened, i loved it! its really cool and productivity did not dip. And you dont have to see people you dont like :) it was great.
I moved to a new state and know no one here. It was isolating at first when working from home alone. Eventually I realized people aren't that great lol.
Tbh working from home is only good when you’re not restricted to only work from your house.. My last job was a toxic call center and I wasn’t allowed to work elsewhere but my house. I like going to work at a library or coffee shop. Plus I still live with parents and other family members so it wasn’t relaxing
@@se2664 thats a messed up situation. But im not talking about those types. Mainly jobs that are web based. Would you consider learning web design work ? those jobs can be worked remotely depending on the company. I know call centres arenot the best jobs, so perhaps learn a skill in web or a trade that you can phycally do? like plumbing? everyone needs plumbing, everything does break, and i hear plumbers are making alot of money!
Wait I thought I went to work to do a job and make money not friends. I have never had a job where the boss was happy when I was talking to a coworker.
Agree with you Josh - As long as the work gets done then let the employee choose whether they come in or stay home. They're just gonna tune in to the same zoom meetings anyway.
Something tells me that if these corporations found that they would substantially increase their profits by going to remote-work-from-home model with their employees that the talk about connectivity and culture would cease to exist.
Except that's already happened for many of these companies, at least the tech ones? But they aren't controlling their employees, so that is still "the issue" to them
I used to work for a large international company. All people I dealt with were in other states and countries. When open-floor plans became popular the company removed all offices and cubicles and created hangar-like spaces where people would sit anywhere they wanted. It was impossible to find anyone because you never knew where anyone was. I started working from home few days a week and nobody even noticed. After few months I would come in maybe twice a month just so I can show my face. I was first upset about the open-floor plans, but ultimately that’s what allowed me to work from home.
Employee Well-being is the last concern for Employers. This is sad but 100% true. Employees are just used and abused. We get depressed when we have to come to the office. Many people get out of depression once they start working remotely. Employees who want to work from the office let them do that but don't force everyone to work from the office.
Wait a minute - Rocky Road ice cream? I thought that was a return-to-the-office INCENTIVE?!? Oh wait, no, at the office, it's the generic mint-chocolate chip shit they get from Walmart.
I write in my pajamas every day, seven days a week, and would do it eight days a week if I could. And I don't even have to kiss anyone's ass to secure my paycheck, like Ken.
it's funny how at 4:39 he scratches his forehead while trying to make sence of whatever BS he is saying... a clear sign "that he doesn't even believe what he is saying".. LMAO
"come to the office once a week so we can say the things to you we cant write down and have a paper trail of evidence." "I love intimidating & yelling in peoples faces" "our company culture is being abusive off the record" its been 2 years +........what legitimate tangible reason exists after that long?
The company I work for is one of the biggest employers in this city with significant office space in the city centre. It does not just lease/rent the buildings it owns them. I have been into the office about 4 times in two years. Every so often the old "we want you in the office at least 2/3 days per week and if you don't you will need a good reason" gets brought up. I've just been ignoring it, so far with no issues. However I wonder with the company owning the buildings how much of it is worry that the value of the buildings will decrease. Within most cities with the move to online commerce already alot of retail/office space is being converted to housing but this depends on the council granting permission to repurpose the space. Alot of other companies may own the buildings and may find it difficult to sell.
My company has is coming in just one day a week; it feels like a pretty solid compromise. That was after there was quite a bit of pushback on working just 2 days in office. It’s nice to work for a company that actually respects us
@@Maki-00 I agree, and it's for the typical reasons you hear... team building, in-person synergy, yada yada yada. While I agree that we could do just fine at full time (as we'd been doing for basically 2 years), and while that would be preferable to me personally, I don't COMPLETELY disagree that there is some benefit. It does add positively to the inter-team dynamics and sometimes helps get ideas rolling faster during the workday. Sure I'd rather be home, but it's not that bad and I do enjoy being in the city (which I never am otherwise)
That's even worse because they're admitting they don't need you there but they're just dicks and love to troll people. I bet they also give you appreciation baskets instead of raises, right?
@@westpsmity same here, my team comes in 1 day per week. Yeah it’s whatever but it’s a nice compromise and no one complains about it. If they ask for more people will get angry again lol
A very neglected of point of remote models is the inclusivity. Minorities and neurodivergent people have statistically *thrived* in remote environments. Companies love to preach innovation, teamwork, communication, career progression... but ignore that not everyone excels in those fields within an office setting.
It's because they don't actually care about any of those things at all, they're just buzzwords that sounds good and look good in job posts and "think piece" opinion articles
Thank you for making the point of loneliness not magically being resolved by going to an office! I don't want to feel obligated to chat with all my coworkers. They aren't all my cup of tea socially. They're good people. We just have dif interests so I never felt any less lonely when I go into the office. I just had the added stress of chatting about topics I don't care about. Lol
you dont think theyre avoiding sending you a message (that you could screen shot and prove their) breaking employment laws or abusing their employees do you?....naah couldnt be.
If I still worked in an office, I'd be making half the money I am now. Work from home changed my life and lit a fire in me. The office is full of distractions.
The real truth is that going to an office completes a major part of the cradle to grave control structure. Vanguard, Blackrock and Statestreet gain a lot of synergy keeping people in a slave mindset, keeping them driving to work, controlling what information they consume for most of the day, controlling what perspectives are politically correct at the water cooler, and the big one: keeping kids in schools that indoctrinate them further. We've had the ability to work from home for 20 years, and as a manager, I found no difficulty getting work out of people as long as they knew what was expected of them and it was tracked properly. They don't want you to be a "free agent" who contributes to the organization as efficiently as you're able, they want to squeeze every last ounce of time out of you. Individual managers and owners are a little paranoid because they want to get the best deal and ensure they don't really have to manage people by restricting freedom. If all you can do when you're at work is work, they don't really need to manage you at all in their minds, but that's not freedom. That's wage slavery. It's all about keeping modern day slaves.
Being controlled , watched and seeing rude co worker faces are depresssing. Having to act like I'm happy to be there is tiring and depressing. I feel mentally stronger away from the office its peaceful.
"If you dont like the job just quit!!"... yeah Ken, thats what this entire thing is about... That wasnt some sort of "gotcha" or anything, thats what started this entire debate to begin with. People ARE quitting, thats the point!
Why are these Management Folks so obsessed with controlling other People. I love working from Home, no more waking up early to get ready and drive for 1 hour to work, no more having to engage in stupid office discussions, no more having to pretend to work for 8 straight hours when most people are just browsing the web, no more office politics. I love getting enough sleep, I get my job done, and I do what's required, why are these managers so obsessed with bringing people back to the office. We have the Internet, we have the infrastructure, we have the capability to provide service from Home, there is no reason to go to the office to do the same thing you can do from Home. Remote Work is here to stay, whether these Companies like it or not.
@@dungeonmaster6292 Yes, I think I can do a better Job than a Sri Lankan, or Indian, or a Chinese. I've been in the Software Industry for many years, many Companies have tried outsourcing to cheap 3rd world country developers, and guess what, there is always a lack of quality, clear communication, English speaking skills, and good code. And there are also a lot of Companies that can't outsource outside of US as they can't hire without security clearance, which only US Citizens can get.
@@dungeonmaster6292 And one more thing, Remote Work as a concept has been around since 1994, so for the last 30 years at least. It became extremely popular in the last 2 years. And now, it's not going anywhere as long as Internet exists.
I just started working as a health insurance agent. For the first week I had to drive from West Palm Beach to Boca Raton almost an hour drive just to do training. from the beginning we were all on the same page that I would be working remotely afterwards. every agent including myself have been very successful at selling health insurance over the phone. most of the agents we have work remotely. i love working remotely because I don't have to deal with traffic and I can be in my cozy environment. and I find myself being very productive and not being distracted at all. the company I work for is the POLAR OPPOSITE of a boomer corporate organization. everyone is kicking ass and is very happy. the owners choose to hire less agents and to have those few agents have more opportunities for sales instead of having more agents and making more $$. the only reason the corporate agenda is pushed is to line up the CEOs pockets more and to win at all costs. Keep calling out the corporate crap Josh 👍
And you already know Ken's little underlings (cause he has his own Podcast) think they're hot sh*t because they think they're more effective than the..."Rocky Road eating Sweatpant wearing remote workers" of the world. He's just fluffing up his own crew from wising up and realizing
I love your channel man! I started watching 3 years ago and have made a lot of decisions based on information you provide. You have vastly improved not only my life but the life of people around me. Thank you!
The exasperation of trying to understand people bettering themselves. I haven't seen much of what this guy has done, but I can guarantee he's given speeches about taking risks in your professional life to get ahead. That's exactly what this is. Except that this isn't getting ahead to climb a ladder, this is getting ahead with your family and your personal life.
Im SOO glad to see someone call this guy out! He likes to say he's "Of the people, by the people, for the people" and literally always sides with corporations over workers. What a joke.. this guy has like ZERO credentials to host a show like this, week in week out he goes in circles re hashing the same recycled topics hes covered 10 times before LOL.
I hope everyone who can't stand the office looks for a job where they can work from home. And I hope everyone who wants to work in the office enjoys it. But no one is getting any synergy from being in the office. Teams are not more cooperative in an office. It doesn't hurt, but there is no reason to believe it helps.
You've never had to explain engineering layout changes covering a dozen drawings or so over teams then. It's a disaster. Takes 3 minutes face to face, 45 minutes on teams
My last job I worked for 12 years 100% remote for a NYC financial firm. 1) Companies use remote workers -- what do they think offshoring of tech is? What about big companies with teams working together from different parts of the world? 2) You can argue that remote work is better for the planet -- less gas burned. This impacts businesses in cities depending on workers in offices, but that is how progress happens, businesses gain, others suffer 3) Human beings perform better taking breaks with flexibility. You can focus hard for a few hours, then step outside, snuggle a pet or child, then back to work. 4) If you are in a "professional" job, we should be judged by our performance and output --- not hours put in. 5) Working remotely DOES NOT affect your career or having good relationships. When I left I had managing directors -- WHO I HAD NEVER SEEN in 12 years -- message me they were sorry I was leaving. My work product and how I interacted in meetings set the tone and showed my character (I BTW never had a camera). I'm a boomer, and these guys are full of shit. Unless you are in a job that requires face to face -- being in the office should be something negotiated. Alot of empoyers are going to find many good workers will go where there is flexibility.
If it's about productivity then these companies can show their sales and individual employee reviews from the past 5 years. if it's about culture then HR can provide documents showing the company's track record promptly addressing issues such as discrimination and harassment without the need for litigation to take place. if it's about collaboration ..well there are tons of tools out there that enable collaboration.
"Oh well we would show those records but they are "important trade secrets" covered under strict NDA so you can't see them. Why? Because uhh culture or something"
I've been working from home for nearly a year and I absolutely love it. I do not... repeat...I do not wear sweat pants and eat rocky road ice cream. I wear the same clothes that I used to wear in the office. And I don't feel lonely. I actually can concentrate on my work better, hence, I have more productivity. I save 2 h (at least) per day from not commuting and save $700 per month from not paying for fuel and tolls to drive to work. I also get to sleep for longer and have way less stress because of not having to navigate the traffic everyday.
I gotta say as someone who has to physically be at my job the roads being empty and the gas prices going down was the best. I didn't realize how many people just didn't need to be on the road
Please, never stop doing what you do, you are not pessimistic, you are showing reality and are helping people to be aware of this manipulative propagandists.
As someone who has a commercial lease. You can't "JUST get out of that lease." They make it seem so easy, as if the landlord who also has a ton of money, just wants that real estate sitting around doing nothing. I wonder if they had these arguments when companies were telling people they need to get vaccinated so the company could save money on insurance.
I'm in uni now, doing classes remotly was absolutly dog shit for me, but I can't in sound mind agree that everyone should go bat to office, just because it would be beneficial to me... Hell I actually prefer to go to uni just me and teachers LOL
I'm a big Dave Ramsey fan but his Ramsey Personalities aren't very personable. They seem to all just parrot Dave Ramsey, have no original thought, don't come off as authentic and are out of touch.
My current company finally decided on a remote hybrid policy. All software dev, management and office workers. One day per month in office. As management, it is the responsibility to implement practices to make sure work is being done, without micromanagement. After that, I don't care what you are wearing/eating/where you are at. Most 'collaboration' in the office is just gossip and interruption of people trying to work.
I like how having a meltdown is considered asking questions about things that don't add up.
Exactly. Also since this is pinned, here is the link to the video - th-cam.com/video/bOluITypsRI/w-d-xo.html
I like how they couldn't even find an actual meltdown video to use in their strange boomer-soothing fairy tale
@Dave Blackman Dave didn't want to let people go home March and April 2020. Never forget who did that. Keep a list.
Coleman's the one melting down here.
@@ShredGnarBrah you can get an extension to bring it back
My grandfather before he passed away used to make fun of the billions spent on those massive office buildings. He called them monuments to egomania.
Your grandad was a smart dude. May his soul rest in peace.
I personally like working hybrid but a lot of times... Yeah it's just bling palaces for execs to stroke their.. egos
That makes no sense. Large buildings are a very efficient use of land. How else could you have thousands and thousands of people using a half acre of land?
@@JK-vc7ie Are you being serious? The last couple of years have proven that they are not needed. There has already been done to prove that people working from home had no diminished productivity and in many cases it increased.
Why pay the property taxes on a mega building if you can get employees to use their own homes.
Why hire the best skilled people simply from your area when you can hire globally?
Chadfather
Those buildings are also monuments to cleptomania.
Companies - "if you wanna work remote, find a job that lets you work remote"
* *Everybody quits to find remote jobs* *
Companies - 😧
xD
Companies are pissed because employees called their bluffs.
Advantages of working from home:
- More family time
- 2-4 hours that would have been spent getting ready and commuting to work reallocated to the "family time" budget
- My office is as quiet or as loud as I want. No yelling three tables over to distract me, no sales guy constantly interrupting my thoughts with his spiel.
- Not driving, a cost savings in excess of $100 a week and climbing.
- Healthier, cheaper meals made at home, usually during a mandatory meeting that doesn't need my contribution.
- Not bringing sicknesses home from work to infect my family
Cons of working from home:
- I have to buy my own Le Croix
I love the family time budget one, doing what's precious in those moments versus being aggravated in traffic, burning fuel and time, on top of going in to deal with office politics and internal bullshit. Stay home, be happy, and do the work instead. :D
You forgot one thing: sitting for hours and pretending to work
The reward for getting work done fast is more work
@@turkyturky6274 On the advice of legal counsel, I am always giving 100% during work hours.
"Advantages of working from home:" With gasoline prices over $5/ gallon or even $6-7/ gallon most definitely. Another reason is safety. The locations where some of these workplaces are in were once safe, are no longer so with the crazy people (and other criminals) let lose into the cities by "progressive" politicians and their enablers in the district attorney's office.
@@anyone150 Exactly major safety concerns.
Joshua, I’m 69 years old, I worked in an office for a couple years. I didn’t care for it. I learned a trade and worked construction for 41 years and loved it. I respect the young people now who are demanding more from their employers. I would hate working for a corporation. The entire company culture has changed over the last 20 years. Companies have become ruthless , cruel and psychotic. Employees don’t matter. They are just bodies in cubicles , replaceable at a managers whim. Dave Ramsey and his minions are not living in this day and age. Their opinions are based on company life in the 1970’s.
Good comment. Might think of doing a trade to be perfectly honest
That's why we call them boomers. Because they act like it's still that era.
What’s sad is we talk about companies like they are their own being, yet they are made up of people, so it’s people who are more ruthless, cruel and psychotic today.
@@csmith7411 You are 100% Correct.
@@csmith7411 The people at the top, to be specific. CEO, shareholders, etc. Everyone else, employee or not, are seen as nothing more than numbers to them.
It's all about control. Companies want to get as close to owning you as possible. When you work from home it scares them
Totally. I prefer to work from home than with a bunch of fake ass people and a boss who can't stand me.
It is also about power. Look, if you are a manager and you say “jump” you want your employee not only jump but you also want to see the employee jump. You want to see your power. It is just sad.
The IMAGE of control, too, especially for mediocre management whose primary skill is keeping tabs on people.
Yes, they are afraid unsupervised people will take advantage of the situation and slack off. That's a very reasonable concern. That said, take a look at productivity when people worked from home and see what the actual facts are at your specific company with your specific employees.
Unless you're a contractor.
I hated the office - politics, backstabbing, gossip, cult-like atmosphere, commuting, interruptions, open office layout marketed like it was special. Less time to exercise and eat healthy where I have full control over my diet.
I currently switched teams to a team that 95% remote - but I wasn't grandfathered in so I was forced to relocate to an area and we still don't go into the office.
Now I'm away from friends..family...bored out of my mind because I don't know anybody while in a smaller metro, hard to meet people. Got to love corporate!
I like my job but feel like it's time for a new one.
I keep on thinking that’s why companies usually promote employees that are “willing to relocate” to a different office, specially the ones in either bigger cities or literally very remote locations. They want their employees to be away from family, friends, social life (AKA for them: distractions), so that you can eat, breath, and dream about work. They don’t want your focus on anything else, but work, work, and more work, until you eventually either die or retire. I don’t give two fucks about talking and socializing with the people I work with, if you hired me to work, why are they then pretended to be worried that we don’t socialize with our co-workers. You hired us to work and be productive, let us work and be actually productive. Please.
Get a PO box in the corporate area, and move to wherever you want. Just make sure to use a VPN and set it to the corporate area code so they won't find out.
> politics, backstabbing, gossip,
See, I would think that remote work wouldn't solve this issue.
@@angelloro I still can't understand how companies can think that being away from family and friends makes someone more productive. If I know my loved ones are ok and if I can spend my free time with people I actually care about, I will be more focused while doing my job, therefore more productive. Companies should understand that family always comes first so if they force their employees to chose, they shouldn't act surprised when they are not the first choice. Just like I don't expect to be theirs.
@@angelloro Agree so much..........let people work how they prefer as long as they are effective.
Being able to poop at home rather than at the office is reason enough to quit a job that doesn't offer remote.
In fact I'm poopin right now💩
Especially if you work at a restaurant.
Lol 😂 so true
For real. I can hear my coworker exploding in the bathroom around 10x a day. Then he doesn’t wash his hands. Like come on, I don’t want to be around someone like that.
Amen 🙏
The woman defuses Ken Coleman's whole bullshit argument at 3:20. She had a "meltdown" of logic, honesty, and self-respect.
Thousands of middle management babysitters suddenly find themselves unnecessary
Exactly
At my work their new thing is having loads of pointless meetings so it gives them something to actually do
spot-on
😁
Thousands of Ken Colemans finding themselves closer an closer to extinction level irrelevance
As a business owner it is very, very easy to spot people that claim to know about business yet have no practical experience doing so. Mr. Coleman here loves to write books on employees and hiring, but for the life of me I cannot find his business past. The most I found is that he has a BA in Political Science from a liberal arts college. He doesn't even have a finance, MBA or other type of business degree. Every word out of his mouth is from someone who read a book and thinks he knows how things work. Literally some of the worst advice I have ever heard. If you are a true capitalist then you do not care what people wear or do: what your care about is getting work done and getting paid for that work. Everything else is a distraction. Every single day you wake you would should be thinking about how to make as much money with as little amount of work. If you are worried about what pants people are wearing or the food they are eating then you are not focusing on the important part. And that is the key for people like Ken here. They can't talk about work because they don't have any original or novel ideas to improve work or make more money. They want to sell you books about vague concepts and self help crap.
That probably means his "practical business experience" is selling his books, err.. I mean, grifting.
I think you mean an ideal capitalist, by theoretical standards. They do think about making as much money as possible without having to pay people for their work. Exploitation is the name of the game.
"""Businessmen""" like this are the equivalent of weaboos who think they know everything about Japan just because they watch a lot of anime.
He is not a businessman. He is a radio show talking head. And a bad one at that.
@@mushroomsteve Precisely and looking pretty in front of the camera and kissing his master's bottom.
Funnily enough 2 of my old bosses didn't let me work remote more than 1 times a week. Years later both worked remotely heavily - like for months. It's all about control. Nothing about culture or employee health. Just control.
This reminds me of car manufacturers. The owners lobby for cars and roads that are to wide to be everywhere, turning cities into a loud hot mess (literally), all live in quiet neighborhoods lined with trees and away from those *same* roads that cost millions of dollars. Like that, those two bosses of yours have been hijacking you guys out of whats actually best for you.
Yeah, you can perfectly do your job without supervision and they will still want to have control over you.
My commute costs me about $20-$30 per day. Why would I want to burn potentially $300 a paycheck and about 2 hrs a day to just GETTING to work?
Exactly! This was my biggest reason to switch from being an accounting to being a software developer - the ability to work remotely, as I realised I was working only so I could afford to go to work! My rent when I used to live closer to the business centre was twice what I pay now that I am remote and I also sold my car (I live in the UK and honestly don't need it at all), which freed up £800 post tax income for me. Remote is not only about convenience (albeit that is good enough reason to fight for the right to work remotely), but also about money! It costs so much more to rent near the office buildings. Working remotely saves so much time and money it is insane. I was never able to save money before, now on the top of the above savings I also cook at home from scratch all my meals as I have the time to do that and all this has changed my life. I can finally put money on the side and focus on building my future, not just work to make somebody else rich - remote is a win-win, you still deliver a product, but on this occasion you also get to save quite a bit too.
You Uber to work or something?
Ken: Employees are threatening to quit if they're made to come back into the office, how dare they!
Also Ken: No-one is forcing you, if you don't like it, you can just quit!
🤦
Yeah, I noticed the full circle they did. Just shows how useless their jobs are.
The entire Dave Ramsey show has turned into a real sideshow. I stopped listening for reasons just like this.
Lmao he obviously didn't think that one through 🤣
I love how Ken and his kind keep pushing the FUD that remote work will hurt your career progression. Newsflash: Career progression has been a dead thing for a long time now. Nowadays, your only real path to promotions is by changing jobs. This isn’t 1999, Ken.
Bravo. Wish more people realized this.
Career progression - what the fuck is that? Oh, I know, it's when you quit your office job and start your own business.
Unless you're a teacher or a nurse, you've just got a job nowadays
Job progression now is like
Employer: Thanks for coming to your yearly review, it looks like your default raise would be about [amount that doesn't even cover inflation]...but it looks like your performance has been very good this year...
Employee: So-
Employer: But unfortunately you didn't reach our benchmark of 350% productivity, you scored 98%. So I'm afraid I can't give you a raise. We can't afford giving you any more, the CEO needs his seventh yacht.
@@LilacMonarch And then, 6 months later - Employer: We appreciate all of your hard work and unpaid overtime. Unfortunately, we've come to the very difficult decision to terminate your position. However, we will offer a generous one week severance, and COBRA. We wish you the best of luck in the future. Let us know if we can help in any way.
These people flipped on their own argument. Literally went from, "You're really going to quit your job over this?" To "If you don't like it, find a job that lets you work remote." In a single segment.
They sure did, I was thinking the same thing. Checkered button down guy has never made any sense
Conservatism at its finest
At least "find a better job that will let you work the way you want to work" is actually good advice...
Usually you don't see mental gymnastics in action, just the result of them. But here you've got a great view.
I hope 90% of the employees walk
I went from being a secretary in offices (low pay, depressed, and hating my life to the point I had to seek therapy), to unemployed for 2 years and surviving on freelance work in a different field I preferred because I refused to commute to another dead end job. Just this year alone, I went from freelancing to a full time salary + benefits within a company, and I was just promoted again today to a team leader -- and I did it all while working remotely. Remote work not just progressed my career, but it helped to progress my LIFE because I'm making money that I would never get in the current place I live. I'm finally able to move this summer to a much better place. I couldn't be more grateful for all of the opportunity I've had because of remote work - I'm happier than ever. Dave Ramsay and his folks can shove it. I'm sorry that they're the miserable ones now.
Your story is so moving and magnetic.........hats off to you and thanks for sharing!
@amanda, yes, I totally agree with you! I switched careers precisely so I could work from home and advance my life on all fronts - and I am finally getting to do that! I am making way more than at my past jobs that required my physical presence, too. I finally have the chance to really take care of my health, and I'm really happy.
Screw Ramsay and those who think like him. They're just salty that we have more opportunities, and they can no longer control us like before
Lol I'm a wfh software dev, i was in shorts and tshirt and had an ice cream today. And i shipped a key feature for my employers webapp, and attended multiple team meetings. We meet up in the small office when we actually need to meet up, socials, planning sessions etc, this hasn't damaged my work relationships or job prospects at all. The only job prospects that have been damaged are those employers and recruiters that send me non remote roles, IN THE TRASH.
You know what, same here and just reading the first sentence of your response took me out, we're literally twins in life right now 😂 what flavor ice cream did you have btw? I ate Birthday cake ice cream lmao
Eating Ice Cream on the same day you push to prod? Nice. Ken couldn't imagine such sorcery. Dark magic.
@@lashondamiller2982 Vanilla and white chocolate 🤣 nothing exciting. I was working after all!
@@awarepenguin3376 Brain freeze at home is a risk I'm willing to take.
I hope recruiters and hiring managers who want onsite employees are REALLY suffering by not being able to hire anyone now
Don't decide what is good for us dammit. We're adults and can decide for ourselves
But Fawaz, the company is your family 😅🤣 they know what's good for you 😁
@@patmarek1222 Hey man, you can't just leave the family.
EXACTLY.
Some like vanilla ice cream, some like chocolate. Others are lactose intolerant. Don't force ice cream down the throat of people who don't want it.
There are DROVES of leftists, rightists, religious people and more that are pretty convinced by design of the contrary - and then a discrete amount of supporting cases unfortunately
@@simonebernacchia5724 Their entire life requires that others do just as they say/think. They have no sense that some people will reject their way and do something else.
A bit unrelated to this video but I think it's long overdue -
Three years back, I was constantly overworking, peer pressured to stay at work late and had sacrificed most of my hobbies because I was too tired to do anything when I came back home at 10pm. I was too scared to switch jobs because it apparently looks bad on your resume. Moreover, I was also brainwashed by their illusion of job security and company family culture.
I started watching this channel during the uncertain times of early 2020, when my employer was forced to let us work from home. I took your advice and changed my mindset about work and corporate in general. Once I started looking for opportunities, I came to know how much I was underpaid for the kind of work I was doing.
I hopped a few jobs and last month I joined a well-established company in a full-remote zero-overtime role with SIX times the pay I was getting two years back. I am not expected to sit on my ass staring at the screen when I am done with my work. So, I get plenty of time to nurture my hobbies, work on a side hustle and most importantly spend time with friends and family.
I see a lot of negativity around this channel, and I wanted to share a positive story about the real impact you and your videos are making around the world.
You are doing good work, Josh. Thank you.
I've got my annual report from work yesterday. Been working remote since 2020 and I have been told that i've done more work & more quality work than when I was in office. I'm an optic fiber desk technician.
Being confortable, in a place where i'm not stressed with my cat & able to watch a series/movie while I work helped me mentally.
And i'm not forced to commute 40 mins which benefit everybody.
Ken is stuck into this 50/60s mentality of "If we do that boss will notice", which is bull because it won't be rewarded, it mean you will be asked to do even more.
He also does not realize that for people with disability like me, the acceptation of remote work was a blessing that helps a lot. I've been able to have physical therapy at home every week now, i'm less tired & less stressed.
This guys is so self centered that he can't imagine people have motivations & other reasons that are legit for remote work.
Me too bro! It’s a blessing ! I love being able to adjust my own schedule
Bu... Bu... But work culture. Th... Th... The office happy hours.
@@rmworkemail6507 my culture is far from work so yeah :D not my problem. I used to listen to music all day, nothing social with me :D
Cyborg Wolf - May I ask how you got into your Optic Fiber remote job? I'm recovering from an injury, and it made me realize that remote work is so much better. I don't want to waste time and hurt my mental health wasting hours every day commuting. Any advice you could give would be appreciated!
@@TheBigExclusive Well, i'm french so it's kinda different I guess.
First, it was because of covid, they said we could work home & all.
Then we had to come back 3 days a week but I asked for the work doctor to give the words I really didn't want to because I was "afraid" of covid (i'm not).
That means until the health emergency is still in place in my country I can work at home.
Then when it'll be over (if) i'll negociate, saying that with my disability & all it's better for me to work home.
The best idea is to get your physician to write something that says you would benefit greatly from remote work, and put as many medical proofs in your file to back you up.
If your work has a union then go to them & try to ask them too.
It's all about the willigness of your boss I guess.
Good luck!
I just changed jobs to a fully remote position. This company has always been remote even before the pandemic. It's been less than 3 weeks and I'm already feeling so much better about life. Oh and this job has better pay and benefits.
Same. I got a written warning for refusing to return to the office, as I see absolutely no reason to do so, so I left and got a fully remote role on more money 😆
Exact same here!
Of course it's more money, they save BIG on office space.
@@dan44zzt231 What type of work do you guys do now that is fully remote? I have to go back in 2 days per week now and it's annoying me a lot. Think I'm gonna start looking online for fully remote positions.
@@seosam652 I'm a Civil Engineer/Draughtsman, lots of smaller companies in my industry are moving to fully remote now so they can hire employees outside of their geographic area.
These two dudes just want everyone in the office to have someone to look down on. They are dripping with out of control ego complex.
OMG Josh, you're literally saying exactly what I've been saying!! My company's doing hybrid because we really need "culture and collaboration". Everyone literally stares quietly at there screens all day or is on Zoom calls. Pile of steaming BS!!
If I hear the word "collaboration" one more time I'm gonna flip my lid!!!! It's pure BS!
We're also doing hybrid and have to go in office once a week. You can probably guess what my least favourite day of the week is 😒
@@zhin13 Office Day of course and then you get to waste your gas and commuting time as well.
Most companies have absolute shit culture!
What is this "culture and collaboration"? Why is it needed if most them just sit at their desk staring at the screen? Granted some occupations such as software development, medicine/healthcare or architecture require some collaboration but why culture? What is "culture"? They are there to produce work not socialize.
Been WFH for 2.5 years and my productivity is exactly the same if not more. I was able to lead people, coach people, help people and all while seeing my toddler son grow up.
I know it's not for everybody, but some people (me included) really like it. I might go back to the office one day, but that day is not today.
I'm in the same boat as you. It's great when you can prioritize your life and family and still get the job done. Started this concept during COVID and I want to keep it that way.
The same work is not being done. And if it CAN be done remotely it will be done by Indians and Sri Lankans soon enough: truly remote workers
The way these people label remote/wfh people as ‘lazy’ or ‘sweatpants and ice cream’ etc, just gives me insight into how THEY are from home.
It just shows that they can’t work productively from home and decide that the rest of us are the same.
That’s like me saying nobody can be productive in the office just because I struggle to be.
People in office buildings are just excess coffee and gossip. There, I said it. Obviously neither statement is 100% true.
Working in office sucks balls. People are talking laughing and making some noises i cant focus at all. I dont like using earplugs so it’s terrible work environment for me.
I also dont like dressing like a bank office worker. At home is so chill, you can sit in your boxer shorts and a tshirt eat ice cream drink red bull. As long as your work load for the day is done everything is perfect 👍🏽
You're one of the lazy entitled ones that wants to to be paid to watch Wheel of Fortune
I am a CPA, and about 80% of my working hours over the past two years have been remote. My productivity has skyrocketed and my stress levels have plummeted. Many “boomers” like to believe that working from home equates to playing video games, smoking weed, and playing with yourself all day - that’s simply not the case. If I’ve been doing that for two years, I would be unemployed.
If this is a meltdown, I’m living life on a permanent nervous breakdown 😂
Latinas are dangerous 😂
I was expecting her to break down in tears at least. Instead I got a mild voice saying something so true I wanted to stand up and say "YES!"
It's 100% a control issue. Almost no employee I have met has said they would never come back to the office ever...most people are willing to do the things they need to do to get the job done. The other astonishing thing is that they want people to want to be around each other to improve culture, but these same employees will actually want to be around each other more when it's not forced. Everyone feels like a sucker when you waste gas and time and emotional energy to drive to an office to sit under florescent lighting and doing the same work they could have done from their home. What's truly amazing is that in any job that requires creativity or thoughtfulness the best work comes when the person is relaxed and happy at work. When I'm writing for my job, if I'm stressed, I can't put out good work. When I'm feeling good and relaxed I can write forever. How does the office help that?
LED lighting is no better in this case.
Wfh was a disaster and those that are doing it aren't getting much done
I saw the original video, and I was pissed! Remote Work is a blind spot for Dave Ramsey personalities like Ken Coleman! I see remote work being the "default" mode for most office work in the near future!
Spot on! “You can still be alone in a room full of people”
I think remote workers in my company are much more productive compared to in office settings.
I’ve been hearing this “hurting your professional possibilities” BS more often now from the usual corporate suspects if you don’t return back to the office. I guess that’s code for the micromanager insecure corporate types to threaten employees since their egos are not being brushed live every single working hour.
Ken: " you're willing to change jobs, to quit, to start over...?? "
People not liking, or hating their job, and deciding to quit and find something that better suits their needs or wellbeing; that sh*t has been going on long before Ken was even a twinkle in his mother's eye; now he's acting like it's doomsday.
Exactly! This is a benefit to workers and should be held in the same light as paid vacation time, sick days, 401K's, stock options... if one employer doesn't offer it, find another that does. Eventually it either gets codified in a law or the companies that don't offer it face dire staffing issues.
is ITS doomsday if he don't make enough views -_-
He seems like the type of guy who would need suicide watch if he ever lost his job.
Joshua, I have to say, this episode made a damn good cup of coffee. Anyone that had to go in to the office during 2020 and say they would choose the office now over remote work, don't do any real 'WORK'!.
Nobody working in an office or for corporate America is doing any real work that includes all the work from home lackeys. America is toast
Ken has SUCH a PUNCHABLE face 🤣
I’ll tell you this. Kevin O’Leary, the supposed ruthless businessman, is a huge proponent of remote work.
Meanwhile Dave Ramsey, the supposed kind and gentle financial helper, is totally opposed to remote work.
Gotta know who’s the caring person vs the sadistic person.
To Dave, work is physical. It's not sitting at desk. He wants profit.
@@brendaechols5929 what
Hey. If i can get my work done in sweatpants and eating a big fat ice cream sandwich, its none of anyones business. I'm saving so much on gas money and wear and tear on my car. WFH has been a boon for me
Exactly. You must be uncomfortable while doing your work in order for the smooth-brained bosses to be satisfied.
Let's be honest, this messaging is really for employees of Ramsey Solutions watching this. This narrative has to be true to support the cult, I mean, company.
Straight up I quit my job if I'm required to come back to the office. I have an in-demand skill and am the top performer in my department, which is one of the biggest money makers. My company needs me and I know it, so it will likely not come to it, but if it were, I'd not only get another remote job but also very likely it would come with a raise.
May I ask what your job title is? I'm thinking about maybe changing careers after seeing Joshua's videos. Remote sounds great.
@@TheBigExclusive I'm doing both tech support and cyber security. Specifying in cyber for a higher wage and better prospects for the future. Not something anyone can just pick up though
What's absolutely hilarious about these people is that they "completely understand" why someone would quit their job over vaccine mandates. But want to work from home? Pick up your bootstraps.
The Ramsey show has always been a clown show.
That’s an excellent point. I wish someone would say that to them. I’m not surprised at the hypocrisy. It’s obvious to me and likely many others that these people think they are better than others.
@@josephbrown9685 i hate them
So they want sick and miserable workers.
Almost makes them sound like cartoon villains
He has good money advisor,, buy that's all. I don't agree w his political views, opinions, and Bible interpretation .
it’s actually incredibly sad (and telling) that work is deemed a place to get almost your entire quota of socialization…
the literal only people i work with, are lazy, rude and dumb as a bag of freakin rocks. every night i go into work, 11 pm - 7:30 am, i have to deal with multiple people that make me want to jump off a cliff. my job is not possible remote, but if it was, you bet your ass i’d take a paycut or whatever else they threaten so that i could stay at home and not ever see these idiots ever again, even if it meant being alone all day every day. that’s better than feeling my blood pressure rise dangerously every night.
The corporations really screwed up when they forced remote work on people for two years. In the two years people have been made to do that, they've realized it's actually sustainable.
I think most people always knew remote work was sustainable, it was just impossible to get managers to budge. I work in IT with 1bgps symmetrical internet for the last 5 years. Of course I knew I could do 100% of my job remotely, my bandwidth is greater than at the office! But no, I had to come in and sit in a cube so my boss could slowly walk around with his coffee cup in hand and eave's drop on my conversations to make sure I was doing real work. When the pandemic hit we all went remote and collectively said "FINALLY" on day 1. Of course my idiot boss actually quit his job for an office gig and was promptly demoted and now out of work while the rest of us can finally have some peace from the interruptions.
My wife works for one of the top 3 health care insurance companies. She has been working remotely for over 11 years. They used the money they saved on leasing a building, utilities, maintenance, and upkeep. They invested in their people, still have a lot of teamwork, collaboration and innovation happening. She has even sent lunch to her team, REMOTELY.
It comes down to the owners are locked into the NNN leases and they know commercial real estate in stupid right now and you can’t give it way. Look at New York, vacant buildings everywhere.
There’s a major employee shift happening and the rules aren’t in any book or coporate seminar middle management has ever attended.
Higher Education is next frontier to be disrupted.
YES I took online classes during COVID and it was actually pretty good depending on your professor. The only thing I have trouble with is maybe the math classes.
I can tell that Dave Ramsay is one of those bosses who micro-manages his employees... like, when he's not there, they have great productivity and are happy... but when he comes into work, he starts scrutinizing and directing everyone, ruining the work flow and morale. Employers don't want their employees to be happy - they want to control them and supervise them.
I'm sad that remote work is going away. Forcing us to work from office is so stupid.
Find yourself a company that loves remote work from leadership downwards. Don’t give up, they’re out there, I work at such a place. Don’t underestimate the power of convenience that remote work offers for all levels of the corporate ladder.
You will weed out the toxic employers right away, anyway.
Wdym. Remote work isn't going anywhere. If you have a skillet, you can make demands of your employer. If not then walk, and another employer will be willing to give you remote
I'm in my ninth year working remote for the same company. There are more remote employment opportunites out there but it as also more completive. If you speak a 2nd language..there maybe more remote based opportunites with companies who have offices in multiple countries.
It's going away only in their strange fantasy stories. If you are forced to come to the office just start looking for a remote job
To be trapped inside a building being needlessly micromanaged by people you don’t even like 8 hours + a day, 5 days/week, 1 hour + daily commutes to and from work in horrid traffic, ridiculously overpriced fuel expenses to fill up gas tank, continuously short staffed, overwhelmed, overworked, stressed out, underpaid and risking one’s health and well-being during the Covid/Delta pandemic. Not to mention, office B.S. politics and meaningless quick superficial greetings. No thank you. Working in-office sucks. I’m happy for all the remote workers. Working in healthcare with patients bedside, no working remotely for us. As a retiree, I’m happier having left the rat race workforce. Retirement is good. Time and family is what truly matter. The work will always be there. It’s never ending. Love and blessings to you all.
Just like an apartment, if a large company has 50,000 square feet of leased office space they're going to pay hundreds of thousands if not millions to "get out" of those leases. They don't just turn over the keys and walk away from it.
Ok. Then keep paying the rent. The rent doesn't go up just because no one's there. And eventually leases come up for renewal. If you aren't using a building, it's easy at that point to decide not to renew
Do you really having people come in save them any money.
I love how Ken starts out taking the piss out of people quiting over a lack of remote work, then ends with a statement to the effect of, "if you don't like your work, quit your job". "Internal Consistency" much???
And then they complain when people DO quit their job.
@@Seattle-2017 and of course anyone who quits, it's a failing their part. They're lazy, entitled, worthless, etc. It can't possibly be cause the job sucks.
These people get high on their "job creator" farts.
I find it weird how he starts off belittling people for their decisions regarding getting different jobs, but manages to come back and say they're entitled to their choices.
I will say I’m proud of my company (this one time). I work for a company that owns a few smaller business units, mine being one of those small BUs. Anyways, the company started this “come back to the office” bs and as a BU we basically said “nope we don’t wanna”. Luckily they could never hire enough people to replace us all so I’m full time WFH (as is my whole BU). It’s ridiculous to force people in a tech field into coming back to an office just to join webex meetings. We can do that mess from home. It’s management that wants to feel needed as only babysitters. I think the main reason our ‘plot’ was successful was that my manager will do exactly what I can do, which actually means a lot. Recently the company actually sold our buildings, keeping a huge chunk of money, and we are happy. It’s refreshing to work for a company that thinks about its employees. I can’t imagine working for one of these morons.
Josh, let's be honest. Roasting Ken isn't ACTUAL work, because work usually require lots of effort, whereas the jokes about Ken practically write themselves.
I’ve been working from home for a year now and I love it. My work/life balance is sustainable and productive. My job is primarily email-based and entering information in a database so we don’t need to be in the office. Working from home, when there’s a lull and emails are slow I can go ahead and prepare dinner, make breakfast, get a workout in, read a book, clean the house, etc. when I used to work in the office and came home once work was over I was always so damn tired and didn’t have the energy to do anything. The difference is night and day.
Been working remote since a few months before the plandemic.
First at a job I had for 10 years. And now at a job in which I've never gone to an office; not even for the interviews.
While this new job is having people come back to office. My manager says I will stay a remote employee. BECAUSE I'M DOING A GOOD WORK !
@@leej1759 Sadly; most bosses are a Ray Bolger. 🤪
Thank you for all you do, Josh 🙏🏼
I hated the idea of working from home at first, then when it happened, i loved it! its really cool and productivity did not dip. And you dont have to see people you dont like :) it was great.
I moved to a new state and know no one here. It was isolating at first when working from home alone. Eventually I realized people aren't that great lol.
@@businesscat4435 lol, for sure dude
Tbh working from home is only good when you’re not restricted to only work from your house.. My last job was a toxic call center and I wasn’t allowed to work elsewhere but my house. I like going to work at a library or coffee shop. Plus I still live with parents and other family members so it wasn’t relaxing
@@se2664 thats a messed up situation. But im not talking about those types. Mainly jobs that are web based. Would you consider learning web design work ? those jobs can be worked remotely depending on the company. I know call centres arenot the best jobs, so perhaps learn a skill in web or a trade that you can phycally do? like plumbing? everyone needs plumbing, everything does break, and i hear plumbers are making alot of money!
Wait I thought I went to work to do a job and make money not friends. I have never had a job where the boss was happy when I was talking to a coworker.
Agree with you Josh - As long as the work gets done then let the employee choose whether they come in or stay home. They're just gonna tune in to the same zoom meetings anyway.
Something tells me that if these corporations found that they would substantially increase their profits by going to remote-work-from-home model with their employees that the talk about connectivity and culture would cease to exist.
Except that's already happened for many of these companies, at least the tech ones? But they aren't controlling their employees, so that is still "the issue" to them
I used to work for a large international company. All people I dealt with were in other states and countries. When open-floor plans became popular the company removed all offices and cubicles and created hangar-like spaces where people would sit anywhere they wanted. It was impossible to find anyone because you never knew where anyone was. I started working from home few days a week and nobody even noticed. After few months I would come in maybe twice a month just so I can show my face. I was first upset about the open-floor plans, but ultimately that’s what allowed me to work from home.
Employee Well-being is the last concern for Employers. This is sad but 100% true. Employees are just used and abused. We get depressed when we have to come to the office. Many people get out of depression once they start working remotely. Employees who want to work from the office let them do that but don't force everyone to work from the office.
If I want to connect, I'd go talk w/ friends and family. Not my boss or co-workers
Wait a minute - Rocky Road ice cream? I thought that was a return-to-the-office INCENTIVE?!? Oh wait, no, at the office, it's the generic mint-chocolate chip shit they get from Walmart.
I write in my pajamas every day, seven days a week, and would do it eight days a week if I could. And I don't even have to kiss anyone's ass to secure my paycheck, like Ken.
it's funny how at 4:39 he scratches his forehead while trying to make sence of whatever BS he is saying... a clear sign "that he doesn't even believe what he is saying".. LMAO
Remember brothers and sisters: "hybrid" model is how you boil a frog.
*Never* return to the office.
I agree 💯%.
"come to the office once a week so we can say the things to you we cant write down and have a paper trail of evidence."
"I love intimidating & yelling in peoples faces"
"our company culture is being abusive off the record"
its been 2 years +........what legitimate tangible reason exists after that long?
The company I work for is one of the biggest employers in this city with significant office space in the city centre. It does not just lease/rent the buildings it owns them. I have been into the office about 4 times in two years. Every so often the old "we want you in the office at least 2/3 days per week and if you don't you will need a good reason" gets brought up. I've just been ignoring it, so far with no issues. However I wonder with the company owning the buildings how much of it is worry that the value of the buildings will decrease. Within most cities with the move to online commerce already alot of retail/office space is being converted to housing but this depends on the council granting permission to repurpose the space. Alot of other companies may own the buildings and may find it difficult to sell.
My company has is coming in just one day a week; it feels like a pretty solid compromise. That was after there was quite a bit of pushback on working just 2 days in office. It’s nice to work for a company that actually respects us
One day a week? What’s the point? If you can do your job from home 4 days a week, then there’s no reason you can’t do it 5 days a week!
@@Maki-00 I agree, and it's for the typical reasons you hear... team building, in-person synergy, yada yada yada. While I agree that we could do just fine at full time (as we'd been doing for basically 2 years), and while that would be preferable to me personally, I don't COMPLETELY disagree that there is some benefit. It does add positively to the inter-team dynamics and sometimes helps get ideas rolling faster during the workday. Sure I'd rather be home, but it's not that bad and I do enjoy being in the city (which I never am otherwise)
Just like a pedo they are grooming you back in, before long it will be 5 days a week all office.
That's even worse because they're admitting they don't need you there but they're just dicks and love to troll people.
I bet they also give you appreciation baskets instead of raises, right?
@@westpsmity same here, my team comes in 1 day per week. Yeah it’s whatever but it’s a nice compromise and no one complains about it. If they ask for more people will get angry again lol
Comrade Ken thinks you should also get an extra potato ratio for going back to the office... or BACK TO THE GULAG!!!
A very neglected of point of remote models is the inclusivity. Minorities and neurodivergent people have statistically *thrived* in remote environments. Companies love to preach innovation, teamwork, communication, career progression... but ignore that not everyone excels in those fields within an office setting.
It's because they don't actually care about any of those things at all, they're just buzzwords that sounds good and look good in job posts and "think piece" opinion articles
Thank you for making the point of loneliness not magically being resolved by going to an office! I don't want to feel obligated to chat with all my coworkers. They aren't all my cup of tea socially. They're good people. We just have dif interests so I never felt any less lonely when I go into the office. I just had the added stress of chatting about topics I don't care about. Lol
on a macro level, working from home limits manipulation. i guess this is the main reason why they dont want to stick with it.
you dont think theyre avoiding sending you a message (that you could screen shot and prove their) breaking employment laws or abusing their employees do you?....naah couldnt be.
Managers cannot justify their existence without people to manage.
If I still worked in an office, I'd be making half the money I am now. Work from home changed my life and lit a fire in me. The office is full of distractions.
The real truth is that going to an office completes a major part of the cradle to grave control structure. Vanguard, Blackrock and Statestreet gain a lot of synergy keeping people in a slave mindset, keeping them driving to work, controlling what information they consume for most of the day, controlling what perspectives are politically correct at the water cooler, and the big one: keeping kids in schools that indoctrinate them further. We've had the ability to work from home for 20 years, and as a manager, I found no difficulty getting work out of people as long as they knew what was expected of them and it was tracked properly. They don't want you to be a "free agent" who contributes to the organization as efficiently as you're able, they want to squeeze every last ounce of time out of you. Individual managers and owners are a little paranoid because they want to get the best deal and ensure they don't really have to manage people by restricting freedom. If all you can do when you're at work is work, they don't really need to manage you at all in their minds, but that's not freedom. That's wage slavery. It's all about keeping modern day slaves.
I could watch these for days. Watching shit like this without your commentary would make me lose my mind, but this is so entertaining.
Being controlled , watched and seeing rude co worker faces are depresssing. Having to act like I'm happy to be there is tiring and depressing. I feel mentally stronger away from the office its peaceful.
Ken's job is sitting behind a counter and talking into a mic. Josh does the same thing but gets more views... from home.
"If you dont like the job just quit!!"... yeah Ken, thats what this entire thing is about... That wasnt some sort of "gotcha" or anything, thats what started this entire debate to begin with. People ARE quitting, thats the point!
Why are these Management Folks so obsessed with controlling other People. I love working from Home, no more waking up early to get ready and drive for 1 hour to work, no more having to engage in stupid office discussions, no more having to pretend to work for 8 straight hours when most people are just browsing the web, no more office politics.
I love getting enough sleep, I get my job done, and I do what's required, why are these managers so obsessed with bringing people back to the office.
We have the Internet, we have the infrastructure, we have the capability to provide service from Home, there is no reason to go to the office to do the same thing you can do from Home.
Remote Work is here to stay, whether these Companies like it or not.
Your job will be done by Indonesians soon. True remote work
@@dungeonmaster6292 if Companies can outsource everything, they would have done it already
@@BangMaster96 a lot of new things were brought to light over scamdemic. You really think you can do something a Sri Lankan can't for much less?
@@dungeonmaster6292 Yes, I think I can do a better Job than a Sri Lankan, or Indian, or a Chinese.
I've been in the Software Industry for many years, many Companies have tried outsourcing to cheap 3rd world country developers, and guess what, there is always a lack of quality, clear communication, English speaking skills, and good code.
And there are also a lot of Companies that can't outsource outside of US as they can't hire without security clearance, which only US Citizens can get.
@@dungeonmaster6292 And one more thing, Remote Work as a concept has been around since 1994, so for the last 30 years at least.
It became extremely popular in the last 2 years.
And now, it's not going anywhere as long as Internet exists.
I just started working as a health insurance agent. For the first week I had to drive from West Palm Beach to Boca Raton almost an hour drive just to do training. from the beginning we were all on the same page that I would be working remotely afterwards. every agent including myself have been very successful at selling health insurance over the phone. most of the agents we have work remotely. i love working remotely because I don't have to deal with traffic and I can be in my cozy environment. and I find myself being very productive and not being distracted at all. the company I work for is the POLAR OPPOSITE of a boomer corporate organization. everyone is kicking ass and is very happy. the owners choose to hire less agents and to have those few agents have more opportunities for sales instead of having more agents and making more $$. the only reason the corporate agenda is pushed is to line up the CEOs pockets more and to win at all costs. Keep calling out the corporate crap Josh 👍
And you already know Ken's little underlings (cause he has his own Podcast) think they're hot sh*t because they think they're more effective than the..."Rocky Road eating Sweatpant wearing remote workers" of the world. He's just fluffing up his own crew from wising up and realizing
I love your channel man! I started watching 3 years ago and have made a lot of decisions based on information you provide. You have vastly improved not only my life but the life of people around me. Thank you!
The exasperation of trying to understand people bettering themselves. I haven't seen much of what this guy has done, but I can guarantee he's given speeches about taking risks in your professional life to get ahead. That's exactly what this is. Except that this isn't getting ahead to climb a ladder, this is getting ahead with your family and your personal life.
Im SOO glad to see someone call this guy out! He likes to say he's "Of the people, by the people, for the people" and literally always sides with corporations over workers. What a joke.. this guy has like ZERO credentials to host a show like this, week in week out he goes in circles re hashing the same recycled topics hes covered 10 times before LOL.
I hope everyone who can't stand the office looks for a job where they can work from home. And I hope everyone who wants to work in the office enjoys it. But no one is getting any synergy from being in the office. Teams are not more cooperative in an office. It doesn't hurt, but there is no reason to believe it helps.
You've never had to explain engineering layout changes covering a dozen drawings or so over teams then. It's a disaster. Takes 3 minutes face to face, 45 minutes on teams
My last job I worked for 12 years 100% remote for a NYC financial firm.
1) Companies use remote workers -- what do they think offshoring of tech is? What about big companies with teams working together from different parts of the world?
2) You can argue that remote work is better for the planet -- less gas burned. This impacts businesses in cities depending on workers in offices, but that is how progress happens, businesses gain, others suffer
3) Human beings perform better taking breaks with flexibility. You can focus hard for a few hours, then step outside, snuggle a pet or child, then back to work.
4) If you are in a "professional" job, we should be judged by our performance and output --- not hours put in.
5) Working remotely DOES NOT affect your career or having good relationships. When I left I had managing directors -- WHO I HAD NEVER SEEN in 12 years -- message me they were sorry I was leaving. My work product and how I interacted in meetings set the tone and showed my character (I BTW never had a camera).
I'm a boomer, and these guys are full of shit. Unless you are in a job that requires face to face -- being in the office should be something negotiated. Alot of empoyers are going to find many good workers will go where there is flexibility.
My income has increased 3x more the past 3 years working from home, than any other time in my life.
If it's about productivity then these companies can show their sales and individual employee reviews from the past 5 years. if it's about culture then HR can provide documents showing the company's track record promptly addressing issues such as discrimination and harassment without the need for litigation to take place. if it's about collaboration ..well there are tons of tools out there that enable collaboration.
"Oh well we would show those records but they are "important trade secrets" covered under strict NDA so you can't see them. Why? Because uhh culture or something"
I've been working from home for nearly a year and I absolutely love it. I do not... repeat...I do not wear sweat pants and eat rocky road ice cream. I wear the same clothes that I used to wear in the office. And I don't feel lonely. I actually can concentrate on my work better, hence, I have more productivity. I save 2 h (at least) per day from not commuting and save $700 per month from not paying for fuel and tolls to drive to work. I also get to sleep for longer and have way less stress because of not having to navigate the traffic everyday.
Who cares what you wear? I've been working from home for a decade and it's been great for the company and myself. I wear mesh shorts most days.
I gotta say as someone who has to physically be at my job the roads being empty and the gas prices going down was the best. I didn't realize how many people just didn't need to be on the road
But muh work family
Please, never stop doing what you do, you are not pessimistic, you are showing reality and are helping people to be aware of this manipulative propagandists.
They're so out of touch
As someone who has a commercial lease. You can't "JUST get out of that lease." They make it seem so easy, as if the landlord who also has a ton of money, just wants that real estate sitting around doing nothing. I wonder if they had these arguments when companies were telling people they need to get vaccinated so the company could save money on insurance.
heyy, it's our favourite pawns reading the script from the Rice and Beans king boomer himself
These guys are so full of it. I will never work in an office again. 🤷🏾♀️
Ramsey 🐑
I'm in uni now, doing classes remotly was absolutly dog shit for me, but I can't in sound mind agree that everyone should go bat to office, just because it would be beneficial to me... Hell I actually prefer to go to uni just me and teachers LOL
Depends on your teachers. I took some community college classes and it was pretty good
I'm a big Dave Ramsey fan but his Ramsey Personalities aren't very personable. They seem to all just parrot Dave Ramsey, have no original thought, don't come off as authentic and are out of touch.
My current company finally decided on a remote hybrid policy. All software dev, management and office workers. One day per month in office.
As management, it is the responsibility to implement practices to make sure work is being done, without micromanagement. After that, I don't care what you are wearing/eating/where you are at.
Most 'collaboration' in the office is just gossip and interruption of people trying to work.