Melisandre was probably more powerful at the Wall due to the high magic concentration from the Walls construction. It is said that the Children used their magic on the Wall......
I will just add onto this thread since you said something I was about to anyway, kudos on that. So basically the children of the forest are not, in my opinion, confined to Westeross because of this: " foul concoction brewed from the nearby trees - until their lips turn blue, the better to frighten children." in regards to the warlocks of Quarth. "better to frighten children" of the forest in Essos would be my bet, a simple "we have conquered the childrens magic by taking the faces from the trees and drinking from its sap and leaves gives us power, the power to destroy the children" a message marked by their blue lips. If we take it that the children became one with the weirwoods after death, then to drink a concoction made from that trees sap and leaves is a sure fire method of taking its power for yourself, something which you can probably bet the children were not happy about but could not stop. The idea that greenseers are confined only to westeross forgets that patchface exists, that the quaif exists and decides without cause that a thing can only happen in one place and nowhere else without quantifying why in any way. The doom of valyria for example, was predicted/prophecised by the Targeryans that fled, predictions and prophecies happen all over and for that to be true you would need seers, maybe not green seers if that is specific to westeross weirwoods (though I doubt this due to maggie the frog being from Essos but fitting the green seer description very closely. Now I am not saying that Melisandre is definitively from Essos, but what I am saying is there was nothing in this video or any other that I have seen which would lead me to conclude she is from Westeross or that green seers can only be born in Westeross, whereas there are plenty of examples which indicate the opposite to be true.
This sounds like a good theory for the books but I don't know how this will translate in the show. There hasn't been enough hints dropped in the show to make this a realistic conclusion for her, especially with only 6 episodes to gO. It be like 'Hey Davos and Jon, I'm a greenseer wildling who was kidnapped centuries ago. I've come back to die and give you my lucky magic...you're welcome'.
Tony S so he gave Geoffrey, Euron and Ramsey redeeming qualities in the books? Because on the show there is nothing good about any of them. Cersei, Jaime, Tywin, Stannis, Robert, Caitlyn, High Sparrow... sure they had a little to a fair amount of good in them, but there are definitely some characters I feel are pure evil.
@Graphique Jack you need to dig deeper on the show which a lot of you have refused to do. They did a great job w/ the entire show IMO. Ramsey was supposed to be sympathetic in the sense that he was a bastard who was always trying to please his father & his insecurities and natural propensity towards sociopathy turned him into the monster he was. He genuinely cared for Myranda, he was saddened by her death and telling Maester Wolkin to feed her to the hounds was him trying to act like he didn’t care. He was embarrassed the Maester saw him in a moment of vulnerability. He genuinely respected his father & when he killed him in the end he did it out of fear; he didn’t want his father lording the new baby over him and he was afraid his father would forget about him. When u look at Ramsey’s motivations & his entire character, he becomes somewhat sympathetic. His actions are motivated by insecurity & his sociopathic tendencies ( hes not a full blown sociopath bc they don’t feel like Ramsey does) make them severe. He is evil But that evil comes from a sympathetic place. Joeffry did genuinely care for Marjorie and although I don’t think she would have been able to temper his worst instincts, she would have made him a much better king to the common people. It was his mother who ruined him by doting on him and refusing to believe he was turning into a monster. She let that go unchecked. Waving at the door, being somewhat cool w/ Marjorie’s charitable acts, standing up to his mother & taking Marjories side ( something Tommen never did) were all supposed to be hints by the show runners that with the right guidance Jeoffrey could be tamed at least a little. Would he still torment Sansa, yes probably, and we saw that it didn’t change his disgusting actions towards Tyrion but she could have at least tamed him to the point to where the ppl wouldn’t be starving & she had a much better chance with him than with Tommen at getting Cersei out of Kings Landing bc Joeffey didn’t let his mother disrespect his wife like that. He shut her down every time she tired which was a redeeming quality in him. It was Tommen’s inability to stand up to his mother than got his wife killed. That wouldn’t have happened on Joeffrey’s watch & Joeffrey would have put the High Sparrow down right away. Euron does respect Yara. That’s clear from the fact that he refuses to kill or torture her like he would have done with Theon. Not too many men respect strong women in this story & although it didn’t seem like it during the King’s Moor, he was trying to win a election and the best way to do that, as we saw with 46 and now with Bernie’s old as*, is to appeal to men’s misogyny. However when he was alone with her he didn’t hurt her, and he said he wanted to keep her alive for good company but it was really bc he respected her. He didn’t respect Theon at all bc he thought he was coward; and he knew yara wasn’t a coward. He’s also loyal which is more than what most of these lords and ladies can say. He went all the way to Essos & had a big army on that long trip back and could have convinced them to fight for him bc they would have had no choice as they were at his mercy on his ships, and Cersei has many redeeming qualities as a mother
Never thought about Melisandre like a wildling, but totally plausible with your pieces of evidence. I can definitely see her sacrifice herself in order to destroy the Night King. Great video 🖤
I would happily listen to you read the whole book series. You have such a enticing and soothing way of brining the words to life. Consider me a sweet summer child!
Ok... wouldn’t it be funny if Melisanldre was the. Original Nissa Nissa. We’ve seen characters bought back from death, We also know that She has certain powers. We all keep speculating about her seeking her death in Westeros, maybe her role is to be Nissa Nissa again, for the sake of defeating the darkness (??). Also the rubies are most definitely a source of power/magic. Considering this, with the variety of things Melisandre can do with her ruby, imagine the all those rubies set into the armour of Rheagar and events at the Battle of the Trident... mmmm interesting concepts, quite possibly tinfoil assumptions!!😂😂
Am I the only one who seems to not be getting like half my notifications from TH-cam lately? Seems like its only the channels I don't really care about that I get notified of. Ugh. Also, great video! Melisandre better not be put on the back burner in season 8 like she was in 7. Her and Varys are the two characters I NEED to see a good resolution for. Backstory and a good payoff! But only 6 episodes left, it worries me greatly that I'm gonna be disappointed.
Hollyyyy shiiiiit. I was definitely on that Nissa Nissa theory, but I never even thought about her being a wildling/greenseer. You have a brilliant mind mama
Jessie Rankin she could still be Nissa Nissa. I actually think the first Nissa Nissa was a Child of The Forrest. The word Nisse actually means garden nome, I did a video on this. On how the Nisse have all the characteristics of the COTF and how they are even considered shape shifters!! So her sacrifice could be a Nissa Nissa like sacrifice and if she has Greenseer blood of COTF blood! History would repeat and come around full circle!
@@GrayArea Not to be a nitpickin twit, but our "Nisse" has more in common with a goblin or the little people. They are small and can be quite mischievous but if treated right and respected will aid you. Best regards - a norwegian nisse
She may simply be implying that there’s none other of her order who is as skilled at fire reading as her in specific; that wouldn’t stop her from being an idiot and misinterpreting what she see’s though. Lmao God damn Stannis being the prince that was promised? Come on Mel. Also perhaps the wall counts as the last bastion of “Light” and “warmth” before the land of always Winter? So while there it’s almost as if it’s a dying flames last and brightest embers.
skelitonking117 both points are good! She may be good at seeing things but she may suckkk at interpreting them. And True about the wall being the last ember! I like that
how so? when most other magi were reduced to mummers tricks she could still birth her shadowbaby etc. magic had all but faded from the world til the dragons were born again.
When the Night King declined a one-on-one fight with Jon it reminded me of when Ramsey Bolton old Jon that he may beat him in single combat but he knows his army will beat Jon's army. I bet the NK was thinking the same thing. Especially since he saw Jon kill a WW at Hardhome.
She doesn't seem so tied in with the other priestesses of R'hllor, who are all about Dany. I've been thinking for awhile that it's perhaps her visions are actually derived from greensight. Who knows, maybe she is a Bastard of Bloodraven and a wildling woman at Hardhome. I've also heard some theorize she is the child of Bloodraven and Shiera Seastar.
Jawjagrrl I was reading some So Spake Martin and GRRM says that Melisandre is acting on her own accord. She wasn’t sent to seek out Stannis. She did it on her own.. and has her own motives which I thought was intense, honestly. Moqorro and the other red priests are dispatched but Melisandre didn’t come to Westeros that way. I’ve heard the Shiera+BR theory as well.. but I actually think Melisandre is to old to be their kid. Years beyond count seems like a really old long time. If she was B+S=M she would be what 60? 80 at the most. I don’t think that’s old enough.
Jawjagrrl The Hound actually had a "fire vision" so some magical force is high-lighting events to get people involved. I just wish they'd be more obvious for Milisandra!! she's deadly!
Ok... theory time from the S8e3... We all saw Melissandra take off the broach, walk off and die... but I think I saw her "dust" (a la Avengers). Presuming others saw that too, I submit for thought that Mel was actually a Night Queen, a converted person like Benjen Stark. She couldn't die because of the magic from the NK, but wasn't bound to his will like the rest of the Others. She became a follower of the Lord of Light knowing that she would need that power if she ever wanted to help stop her ex-lover. How else did she get by the Army of the Dead without getting waxed to get to the front door in this episode?
As usual you analysis is great, and very helpful to us non-book readers! Melisandre has been wrong with deadly results, and yet the savior of Jon, so she now needs to get some redemption. Her origins are intriguing and it’s great to hear more information on this. Her powers will be useful in the coming war, but what will she do beyond her own sacrifice ? Thank you Gray for giving us juice to survive the Long Night!!
I think she will try to access the Weirwood net and interfere with the NK that way. The NK seems to be connected to the Weirwood net, which is how he interferes with Bran, Maybe Melisandre can do the same.
Read an insightful comment recently (perhaps, under one of Grey Areas’ videos or Alt Shift X) theorizing that the ultimate way to transform the Night King and nullify his powers will be during a fiery final showdown with the Night King ending in engulfing the weirwood network in flames. Destroying it completely. After listening to Grey Areas’ video and theories, Melisandre’s role (and that of her army of fire priests and priestesses) seems like a dynamic and tremendous visual conflagration of the weirwood network and the destruction of the Old God’s power. I cannot imagine Bran surviving this showdown and remaining in his physical form. We’ll soon find out!
The magic at the wall... It's the same reason the Night King is so active as well... The birth of Dragon's is the ANSWER! Remember when Danny was in Quathe is it called? the House of the Undying... the Warlock said he magic had died out, But when the Dragon's were born it was renewed! He also said, that the magic was greater when they were in each other's company! This is a major foreshadowing! The existence of the Dragon's has made what was impossible: POSSIBLE! But this is every bit Danny's magic as well!
So Melisande will be Bran's Nissa Nissa? Plausible. I think the NK was a willing sacrifice as well, though we've yet to learn all there. Seems a willing victim would amplify a scarifies effectiveness. So - Mayhaps - Bran is the Last Hero, Dany is Azor Ahai, and Jon is the Prince who was promised - or is that the other way around?
Poison Rationality I'm starting to think that maybe there are 3 hero's like you suggested. The problem is so many believe that those prophecys are all relevant to one person.
That's the rub about dreams, legends, lore, old stories. They ma have originally been based of actual facts or events - but being passed down over so many generations form old nannies to young kids, over and over again... so much gets embellished, confused, added and subtracted. So much gets muddled, so I can't take any of them as fact. But there are kernels of truth in them all. So maybe 3 heroes - each playing their own roles and making their own sacrifices all together are required. We will see how it plays out.
There are four hero's. Azor Ahai Reborn - Davos Seaworth Prince who was Promised - Jon Snow Last Hero - Bran/Tyrion Stallion that Mounts the World - Dany.
I think she was from hardhome , I believe she is a green seer, I truly believe she is Nissa Nissa and Jon killing her is her ultimate sacrifice and redemption arc.
I love you. I just can't have enough videos from you. I hadn't had this kind of appreciation for anybody before (or after you, so far, jk). Please, keep doing this with other great shows.
And besides the red eyes, she has red hair... just like some girls from the North of Westeros we know, like Ygritte and Sansa... and her fellow red priestess Kinvara...
I paused right when hardhome was mentioned because I am SCREAMING I have always wondered about hardhome and hadn't the slightest clue where to begin with a theory about it and now I'm like YES BITCH YEEESSSS FEED ME
GrayArea further evidence can seen in Varys and Mel's opposite/parallel relationship. Hrs from Essos and rose to power in Wes, and she's from Wes but became powerful in Essos. (I'm on ASOS rn so idk if they meet in the books)
@GrayArea This is quite founded evidence you’ve accumulated. I admit, I didn’t make the connection between Mel and Ghost of High Heart and Hard Home, and while all of this does sound legit and I don’t doubt that it is and/or could be.... BUT, what about the similarly striking description of Melisandre and Sheira Sea Star both? The only difference between the two are the colors. If she did indeed come from Hard Home and we know that Bloodraven has been beyond the wall a LONG time. And we also know that Sheira and Brynden Rivers (aka Bloodraven) we’re lovers (aside from being siblings...) and another huge similarity is that some woman called out her name in that memory. Melisandre didn’t call out her own name, that’d be silly. But if it were her own mother...? We know what love does to these people. Bloodraven loved Sheira and she continually slept with others because his anger and jealousy amused her. He could’ve done something to separate the mother of his child he loved so she endure the same heartache he did. And he probably is saddened by it deeply even though he could’ve done so out of jealous rage. Anyway, there are just too many similarities between all three of them. And her age could also coincide with Bloodraven and Sheira’s timeline. Sheira was a master of dark arts and witchcraft as well...
Yeah , she ain't always accurate , but her God is real. You bring guys back from the dead , you're real. I've had a cockeyed notion that it's Benjin - whom we did not see die - who kills the Night King, but Mellisandre the crone could pass for a wight , and could get close enough. That would be a worthy sacrifice. But spilling her blood at the weirwood tree , re-animating it so Bran can take his place among it's roots would be cool , too. That long moment with Arya - who could not possibly be KIng- makes one think she is looking for Bran as well.
I am way behind on the series and haven't read the books, but i think that Melisandre was the pale white lady at the wall that the 13th commander of the Night's watch came across... Not a female white walker, but a witch of the woods... The "first men" were the more advanced men of Essos or whatever and the wildlings were human men and women that already lived in Westeros amongst the children of the forest that learned their culture and ways of life... And magic. She was a fledgling witch then... But all great sorcerers and sorceresses are reborn many times... Melisandre is her latest incarnation and she had power at the wall because she was tapping into some of her own natural powers... She is the GOT Lilith in a sense. Idk... I enjoy the unwritten backstory of things and that's just one theory... Maybe I'm far off... Lmk what you think
GrayArea Most original theory I've heard since The Smokescreen - Godseye Theory. And that's saying something! You, Talking, and Smoke are my favorite channels!
Within the world of Fire and Ice, magic is a source to gain power different “disciplines” if you want to think of them that way a magic user must dedicate themselves to a god. There seems to be several different types of magic, blood magic, shadow magic, fire magic, ice magic, water magic, illusion, air, etc etc.. Some are better at offense some at defense others at divination. Fire magic linked to shadow magic is a great example of two types of magic helping to support each other. I think Melisandre was thinking about her shadow magic and how she was the best at it, she acts like a shadow as shadows don’t need to eat or sleep or breath.... or age. Melisandre uses illusion magic in her necklace that gives her her youthful looks. Her flame magic is secondary to her shadow magic, she doesn’t seem to see things in the flames very well. Her green seer abilities are what binds all magic. The Wearwood trees are all linked, the Wall is magically bound, and helps to draw more of the magic that the land provides, all forms of magic users would find the focus at the Wall to their advantage. These are my thoughts. I did however love this video.
Gray , why wouldn't the children be able to be born anywhere on Planetos trees can grow. By that same token why must Shadowbinders or anyone who has an in-born power potential be strickly moored in one not so special place versus another. Now, a different tale is told over where one acquires training and fully potentializes.
This makes Mellisandre over 600 years old! I am sure that she can manipulate flames. Imagine the Dragons breathing fire and Mellisandre manipulating them 2 burn more Wights!
Never thought of Melisandre a coming from North of the wall - I thought she was Shiera Seastar. Could she be the woman who helped Mance Rayder and stitched red silk into his tattered claok?
I was watching a few theory videos and kept thinking, I hate listening to these men speak, they sound so annoying. Maybe I should rerecord some of these for them 😂 then I find this gem! Not only is the content on point, your voice is pleasing to listen to!
in the nissa nissa story its says her scream of agony and ecstasy split the moon {when the sword was plunged into her breast}, in ADWD pg 408 melisandre says the fire was in her an agony and ecstasy...
I do believe that Mellisandra is pivotal to the entire prophecy of "the Prince who will come," . She was completely thrown off because Jon was hidden and well hidden. Who could see a Stark protecting the Targaryen and he did this almost immediately after his Father and brother were so brutally murdered by an evil MAD king? His devotion to his sister and the pack was unlimited! Mellisandra has been seeking the one with the right blood. Dany may be ice and fire but, not of the Kings of winter. This is all blood magic. Only death pays for life. D.
On a completely different topic i would seriously. Buy all the books on cd or download them all if your voice was reading them u always have me engaged when u read excerpts
I think Bran might warg into Jon, to make sure he makes Dany his Nissa Nissa, I don't think Jon will be able to shove The Sword in her heart so maybe Bran will have to do that
Jon was rediculous 2 let her go after she said that she can help him win the war! She did bring ice & fire together and she will come back with Kinvara who is stronger than Mellisandre and the Fiery Hand!
Apart from fact I think she was a wildling taken from hardhome its pretty ironic she preaches about the true God rhlor when in fact the reason why I think she's more powerful at the wall is because of her first men blood ancestry
I always thought she was valerian, but in grrm world it would totally make sense that the fire priestess was from the icy north, yet another song of ice and fire, good shit
A greenseer can raise the dead as well, so she could still save Jon in the books if your theory is correct. But her cryptic statements about the fire living within her just won’t let me go of the Nissa Nissa theory. Therefore I propose that Bran will gain no strength from Melisandre but Jon Snow instead will reap the benefits of any sacrifice she might have to make. However her greenseer abilities could allow her to directly block or cut off the Night Kings influence over the rest of the dead leaving him alone and defenseless. The ghost of high heart thing is definitely a show amalgamation of two characters just as many others on the show for sure. But weather or not it plays a bearing on the books still remains to be seen. GRRM tells us that they are two very different stories in his mind at this point, but he seems confused when he speaks sometimes so who knows if he is just trolling us or trying to straight mislead us all together. Your ideas are complete and thoughtful as usual which makes you one of the best at what you do, keep em coming.
@Eldrik That is not correct. A Greenseer cannot raise the death, neither did Mel save Jon, Davos did. Thoros of Myr explicitly stated that he didn't bring back Beric, but R'hollor did because Thoros didn't want Beric too die. Davos didn't want Jon too die. Also: The statement about a fire living within in, is also made towards several other characters, since it means you have a burning passion for something/someone in your heart and that you want to do something about it.
I think Melisandre is Nissa Nissa and Jon kills her because he said he would if he saw her again. Maybe by the heart tree in Wintefell. Thereby creating lightbringer and feeding the heart tree all at once.
Brilliant as always! Historically “number of years beyond count” is a very wide variety... in Maya tradition is anything bigger than 20; in the Old Testament 40...
Thank you for the video GrayArea. Amazing as always. I wonder about Melisandre. She cleared out most of the top families in Westeros? Why did all these people have to die? After all the deaths she says in the show she has bought ice and fire together. Jon and Danny. I wonder why she help wipe out so many people? These people could have fought in the war to come. What is her true motive? She serves the lord of light. I ask who does she really serve? I have to wonder. Is she really on the side of the living? Thank you 🙏 ❤️ have a great day
AntiqueGamer I think she is on the side of the living. There is an interesting quote from GRRM where he is talking about eye color, he said he didn’t like that people with brown eyes were always portrayed as normal and then the doers of great deeds always had blue or hazel eyes. And he said he was guilty of this with both Daenerys and Melisandre. So this quote kind of makes me think she will do something great! www.westeros.org/Citadel/SSM/Entry/4142
I I really hope she does a great deed and helps to save Westeros on the show. No one has a video questioning her real motives. Asking who she really serves. She could be misunderstood. If she is a double agent that would be one really cool plot twist. I will do some more reading. Thank you for the link and most of thank you for getting us through the long night. I await your next upload. The night is dark and lucky for us is full of GrayArea videos. 🙏❤️
Or maybe its Karma biting in the ass everyone who had a hand in the Rebellion. Think abt it, Rhaegar was preparing for the Long Night, and then these fuckers ruined everything, now the NK is too powerful and the realm divided. Thanks a lot Ned Stark, Lyanna was right all along. If only u had taken ur sisters side. Maybe Melissandre was meant to clean Westeros from the Baratheon filth that have power cuz they got lucky years ago by killing a green prince and his 2 babies, so that when the real rulers come, their path is mostly free to focus on the real enemy. Who knows maybe the Lord of Light is pissed abt the Targaryen slaughter. Rhaegar belived in that damned prophecy, he doesnt strike me as a beliver in the 7, but the Red god. All the shit that has happened to both Dany and Jon, I mean he charged at Ramsay under a shower of arrows, still alive, all the enemies Dany has faced so far, still alive, yet the "Bananis" cant win shit even with magic. Gods are vicious. Renly sat at Roberts table and said "Dany and her baby have to die for us to keep our power" gets killed by a baby demon. Stannis ....dont even get me started on that dirtbag. That same fleet he took to Dragonstone 2 decades ago to kill pregnant Rhaella, burned with Aerys' wildfire. KARMA. Death by fire is the purest death. The Red Wedding, the fucking Tullys, the blood of Hoster who benefited the most from the Rebellion, where are they now?? Ppl forget both Catelyn and Cersei benefited from the rebellion, both power hungry over a chair that doesnt belong to either fish or cat, in the end both lived long enough to watch their children die, they suffered just like Ellia and Queen Rhaella did when their kids died. The way I see it, the Lord used her to clean the path for Jon and Dany. All whats left is Cersei, far in the south. and Euron who is not that strong in land. Shes all abt sacrificing kingsblood to win, yet the blood of Aegon T is right in front of her, she feels the need to protect him and warns him abt daggers. Just saying
AntiqueGamer this crap is not right and it's scary just like Star Wars and everything else the female is advertising the bride of Christ we're all in for it one big deception.. remember the wedding mentioned in the Bible
OMG! This would explain her strange connection with Ghost! I always thought it was so weird that Ghost never shared Jon’s wariness around her, when they usually mirror emotions so closely. Or why Ghost and Mel aren’t repelled by each other, despite Ghost arguably being a creature of the Old Gods that Mel considers to be agents of the great other. It fits so perfectly! Bravo!!
I think it would be cool if Melisandra convinced some red priests to cross the ocean to fight against the night king. Jon and Dannearis could really use some magic users.
Here's food for thought, I am only on book 3 & maybe they tell, but I was wondering what happened to the 7 dragon eggs and Summerhall? Fire shouldn't hurt dragon eggs, so....where are they? If the book tells, I haven't made it that far. Just curious
Well, if the burning of Hardhome happened 600 years before GoT, it's very unlikely. Bloodraven was born about 125 years and disappeared around 50 years before GoT. He was even with Maester Aemon when he joined the Watch!
I don't believe in this because people tend to over read and over see things everywhere, taking any elements available to construct new theories (everything, every word is possibly open to interpretation at this point), but it's very interesting for sure. There are so many possibilities for such a mysterious and magical character, that anything could be surprising.
Maybe she’s stronger at the wall because the wall was literally made out of magic and the magic of the North is true magic while others (example some people in Essos)use tricks to get by.
GrayArea Exactly she is a someone or something lool who's potential abilities could be boundless depending on her location and situation. It may sound crazy but I feel she is balance where living and the dead fight she is that something in between. My theory still needs to be prove
Very good your right her story will end with Her sacrifice as Nissa Nissa > for winterfell weirwood > maybe LightBringer is winterfell Castle Magical stuff is going to happen with the dragons too gonna be like a atomic bomb of ice and fire
I think the Children they speaking of in Asshai are CotF. I have wondered if any relationship between Melissandre and the Ghost of High Heart other than the red eyes. We have red, green, and blue eyes. Oh yeah the grey Stark eyes are a thing. See you got me thinking about all kinds of stuff now. I'm gonna stop at Hardhome, Great video! 🔥💜 I am feeling it. It could explain the importance of it too. The mystery. See I'm doing it😜😆
Why am I just watching your videos? Awesome theory. A little late for me to comment on her sacrifice but I totally think that she has the blood of the first men and the children of the Forrest. What’s interesting is in her chapter she mentions 1000 eyes see her with a wolf at his side. Obvious Blood Raven connection. How else would she have a connection to Blood Raven as a Red Priestess. Being a greenseer would make this connection, but I think the connection is deeper with those two. Is the fire she feel inside R’hllor or Bloodraven? Anyone know what happened to Shiera Seastar? If Melisandre isn’t her, Melisandre is definitely someone Bloodraven met North of the wall.
What about the Red Priestess that visited Varys and Tyrion when Dany was acquiring her Dothraki army? She seemed way more powerful than Melissandre! She knew all about Varys and Tyrion! That scene is very important!
I thimk your bang on grey area iv thought the same for while that she W'as taken from hard home if that's the case it a at 400 years!!The only prone she didn't have a tattoos on her face which wud show that they r slaves so that's the only problem I got with this but still think she's a wilding from hard home! ,valar moghulis
as jon snow plunges his sword into the red witch's heart, his sword becomes brighter then the sun in flames as bran is engulfed by her power. Jon kills the knight king and brans power restores the wall and pushes back winter.
Melisandre was probably more powerful at the Wall due to the high magic concentration from the Walls construction. It is said that the Children used their magic on the Wall......
Lord6of6the6Blackmoon This is exactly my theory too.
I think she said she was "stronger" at the wall , not "more powerful". There is a difference.
I will just add onto this thread since you said something I was about to anyway, kudos on that.
So basically the children of the forest are not, in my opinion, confined to Westeross because of this:
" foul concoction brewed from the nearby trees - until their lips turn blue, the better to frighten children." in regards to the warlocks of Quarth.
"better to frighten children" of the forest in Essos would be my bet, a simple "we have conquered the childrens magic by taking the faces from the trees and drinking from its sap and leaves gives us power, the power to destroy the children" a message marked by their blue lips.
If we take it that the children became one with the weirwoods after death, then to drink a concoction made from that trees sap and leaves is a sure fire method of taking its power for yourself, something which you can probably bet the children were not happy about but could not stop.
The idea that greenseers are confined only to westeross forgets that patchface exists, that the quaif exists and decides without cause that a thing can only happen in one place and nowhere else without quantifying why in any way.
The doom of valyria for example, was predicted/prophecised by the Targeryans that fled, predictions and prophecies happen all over and for that to be true you would need seers, maybe not green seers if that is specific to westeross weirwoods (though I doubt this due to maggie the frog being from Essos but fitting the green seer description very closely.
Now I am not saying that Melisandre is definitively from Essos, but what I am saying is there was nothing in this video or any other that I have seen which would lead me to conclude she is from Westeross or that green seers can only be born in Westeross, whereas there are plenty of examples which indicate the opposite to be true.
I was thinking this also
That was my understanding
Most interesting and viable theory I’ve heard on Melisandre to date.
Makes sense. But she said she has to die in "this strange land" where was she referring to? I thought it was Dragonstone?
Love it! But I don't think they'll go this deep in show. Probably in book.
This sounds like a good theory for the books but I don't know how this will translate in the show. There hasn't been enough hints dropped in the show to make this a realistic conclusion for her, especially with only 6 episodes to gO. It be like 'Hey Davos and Jon, I'm a greenseer wildling who was kidnapped centuries ago. I've come back to die and give you my lucky magic...you're welcome'.
Melisandre can sacrifice me too. As long as she lets me hit it first,and she better keep that necklace on. Also, it better not be all dried up.
No one in JJ.R Martin's books are pure evil. He's a master at exploiting his characters grey areas.
Tony S so he gave Geoffrey, Euron and Ramsey redeeming qualities in the books? Because on the show there is nothing good about any of them. Cersei, Jaime, Tywin, Stannis, Robert, Caitlyn, High Sparrow... sure they had a little to a fair amount of good in them, but there are definitely some characters I feel are pure evil.
it's freaking G.R.R.M, for the Great Other's sake!
@@graphiquejack id say baring those few most people in GOT do things we love and sometimes stuff that makes us uncomfortable. No ones hands are clean
@Graphique Jack you need to dig deeper on the show which a lot of you have refused to do. They did a great job w/ the entire show IMO. Ramsey was supposed to be sympathetic in the sense that he was a bastard who was always trying to please his father & his insecurities and natural propensity towards sociopathy turned him into the monster he was. He genuinely cared for Myranda, he was saddened by her death and telling Maester Wolkin to feed her to the hounds was him trying to act like he didn’t care. He was embarrassed the Maester saw him in a moment of vulnerability. He genuinely respected his father & when he killed him in the end he did it out of fear; he didn’t want his father lording the new baby over him and he was afraid his father would forget about him. When u look at Ramsey’s motivations & his entire character, he becomes somewhat sympathetic. His actions are motivated by insecurity & his sociopathic tendencies ( hes not a full blown sociopath bc they don’t feel like Ramsey does) make them severe. He is evil
But that evil comes from a sympathetic place. Joeffry did genuinely care for Marjorie and although I don’t think she would have been able to temper his worst instincts, she would have made him a much better king to the common people. It was his mother who ruined him by doting on him and refusing to believe he was turning into a monster. She let that go unchecked. Waving at the door, being somewhat cool w/ Marjorie’s charitable acts, standing up to his mother & taking Marjories side ( something Tommen never did) were all supposed to be hints by the show runners that with the right guidance Jeoffrey could be tamed at least a little. Would he still torment Sansa, yes probably, and we saw that it didn’t change his disgusting actions towards Tyrion but she could have at least tamed him to the point to where the ppl wouldn’t be starving & she had a much better chance with him than with Tommen at getting Cersei out of Kings Landing bc Joeffey didn’t let his mother disrespect his wife like that. He shut her down every time she tired which was a redeeming quality in him. It was Tommen’s inability to stand up to his mother than got his wife killed. That wouldn’t have happened on Joeffrey’s watch & Joeffrey would have put the High Sparrow down right away. Euron does respect Yara. That’s clear from the fact that he refuses to kill or torture her like he would have done with Theon. Not too many men respect strong women in this story & although it didn’t seem like it during the King’s Moor, he was trying to win a election and the best way to do that, as we saw with 46 and now with Bernie’s old as*, is to appeal to men’s misogyny. However when he was alone with her he didn’t hurt her, and he said he wanted to keep her alive for good company but it was really bc he respected her. He didn’t respect Theon at all bc he thought he was coward; and he knew yara wasn’t a coward. He’s also loyal which is more than what most of these lords and ladies can say. He went all the way to Essos & had a big army on that long trip back and could have convinced them to fight for him bc they would have had no choice as they were at his mercy on his ships, and Cersei has many redeeming qualities as a mother
If only he was a master of writing faster.
Never thought about Melisandre like a wildling, but totally plausible with your pieces of evidence. I can definitely see her sacrifice herself in order to destroy the Night King. Great video 🖤
Random thought, but it would be kind and of great if it turned out to be a part of her storyline....what if The Red Woman is Jenny of Oldstone?
That’s deep
I would happily listen to you read the whole book series. You have such a enticing and soothing way of brining the words to life. Consider me a sweet summer child!
Ok... wouldn’t it be funny if Melisanldre was the. Original Nissa Nissa. We’ve seen characters bought back from death, We also know that She has certain powers. We all keep speculating about her seeking her death in Westeros, maybe her role is to be Nissa Nissa again, for the sake of defeating the darkness (??). Also the rubies are most definitely a source of power/magic. Considering this, with the variety of things Melisandre can do with her ruby, imagine the all those rubies set into the armour of Rheagar and events at the Battle of the Trident... mmmm interesting concepts, quite possibly tinfoil assumptions!!😂😂
Melena Rigg whoaaa I likey!!! Rhaegars rubies would have been covered in KINGS BLOOD😱
No way she is Nissa Nissa. No one loves her in Westeros. Open your eyes people on all your far-fetched theories.
Best Melisandre theory yet!
Jessica Dennett thanks doll!
Am I the only one who seems to not be getting like half my notifications from TH-cam lately? Seems like its only the channels I don't really care about that I get notified of. Ugh.
Also, great video! Melisandre better not be put on the back burner in season 8 like she was in 7. Her and Varys are the two characters I NEED to see a good resolution for. Backstory and a good payoff! But only 6 episodes left, it worries me greatly that I'm gonna be disappointed.
Hollyyyy shiiiiit. I was definitely on that Nissa Nissa theory, but I never even thought about her being a wildling/greenseer. You have a brilliant mind mama
Jessie Rankin she could still be Nissa Nissa. I actually think the first Nissa Nissa was a Child of The Forrest. The word Nisse actually means garden nome, I did a video on this. On how the Nisse have all the characteristics of the COTF and how they are even considered shape shifters!! So her sacrifice could be a Nissa Nissa like sacrifice and if she has Greenseer blood of COTF blood! History would repeat and come around full circle!
GrayArea was it an older video? Cause when I first found you I totally binge listened. Imma go back and find it.
GrayArea - what is the video called? Or can you possibly link it in the description of this video? Thank you!
Lady Brightroar Unless Jon loves her she can't be Nissa Nissa. No matter who Azor Ahai is I doubt they love Mel
@@GrayArea Not to be a nitpickin twit, but our "Nisse" has more in common with a goblin or the little people. They are small and can be quite mischievous but if treated right and respected will aid you. Best regards - a norwegian nisse
She may simply be implying that there’s none other of her order who is as skilled at fire reading as her in specific; that wouldn’t stop her from being an idiot and misinterpreting what she see’s though. Lmao God damn Stannis being the prince that was promised? Come on Mel. Also perhaps the wall counts as the last bastion of “Light” and “warmth” before the land of always Winter? So while there it’s almost as if it’s a dying flames last and brightest embers.
skelitonking117 both points are good! She may be good at seeing things but she may suckkk at interpreting them. And True about the wall being the last ember! I like that
If she's the best - her order kinda sucks - lmao
how so? when most other magi were reduced to mummers tricks she could still birth her shadowbaby etc. magic had all but faded from the world til the dragons were born again.
When the Night King declined a one-on-one fight with Jon it reminded me of when Ramsey Bolton old Jon that he may beat him in single combat but he knows his army will beat Jon's army. I bet the NK was thinking the same thing. Especially since he saw Jon kill a WW at Hardhome.
She doesn't seem so tied in with the other priestesses of R'hllor, who are all about Dany. I've been thinking for awhile that it's perhaps her visions are actually derived from greensight. Who knows, maybe she is a Bastard of Bloodraven and a wildling woman at Hardhome. I've also heard some theorize she is the child of Bloodraven and Shiera Seastar.
Jawjagrrl I was reading some So Spake Martin and GRRM says that Melisandre is acting on her own accord. She wasn’t sent to seek out Stannis. She did it on her own.. and has her own motives which I thought was intense, honestly. Moqorro and the other red priests are dispatched but Melisandre didn’t come to Westeros that way. I’ve heard the Shiera+BR theory as well.. but I actually think Melisandre is to old to be their kid. Years beyond count seems like a really old long time. If she was B+S=M she would be what 60? 80 at the most. I don’t think that’s old enough.
Jawjagrrl The Hound actually had a "fire vision" so some magical force is high-lighting events to get people involved. I just wish they'd be more obvious for Milisandra!! she's deadly!
GrayArea
I have the feeling this will all go way way way back to the first legends...
Ok... theory time from the S8e3... We all saw Melissandra take off the broach, walk off and die... but I think I saw her "dust" (a la Avengers). Presuming others saw that too, I submit for thought that Mel was actually a Night Queen, a converted person like Benjen Stark. She couldn't die because of the magic from the NK, but wasn't bound to his will like the rest of the Others. She became a follower of the Lord of Light knowing that she would need that power if she ever wanted to help stop her ex-lover. How else did she get by the Army of the Dead without getting waxed to get to the front door in this episode?
As usual you analysis is great, and very helpful to us non-book readers! Melisandre has been wrong with deadly results, and yet the savior of Jon, so she now needs to get some redemption. Her origins are intriguing and it’s great to hear more information on this. Her powers will be useful in the coming war, but what will she do beyond her own sacrifice ? Thank you Gray for giving us juice to survive the Long Night!!
I think she will try to access the Weirwood net and interfere with the NK that way. The NK seems to be connected to the Weirwood net, which is how he interferes with Bran, Maybe Melisandre can do the same.
The theory is that Davos brought back Jon...his belief!
Randy Suyematsu i definitely agree with you
Read an insightful comment recently (perhaps, under one of Grey Areas’ videos or Alt Shift X) theorizing that the ultimate way to transform the Night King and nullify his powers will be during a fiery final showdown with the Night King ending in engulfing the weirwood network in flames. Destroying it completely.
After listening to Grey Areas’ video and theories, Melisandre’s role (and that of her army of fire priests and priestesses) seems like a dynamic and tremendous visual conflagration of the weirwood network and the destruction of the Old God’s power. I cannot imagine Bran surviving this showdown and remaining in his physical form.
We’ll soon find out!
i like melisandre she really thought she was doing right- i believe too that she will make a significant sacrifrice
Am I the only one who actually LOOOOVE Melisandre ❤❤
HIND I like her too. Very misunderstood
HIND I like her. But she has to have a purpose. I like this purpose.
Yes, she IS very misunderstood. Absolutely.
HIND I do like her a lot, but I wouldn't say I love her. Princess Shireen screams are still with me.
Musspuss ughh yea. I love her except for that time. Rip the princess
I Need More Juice
Like Christopher Walken's Needed
More Cow Bell!!👌🏾
Red Juice this time no less
The magic at the wall... It's the same reason the Night King is so active as well... The birth of Dragon's is the ANSWER! Remember when Danny was in Quathe is it called? the House of the Undying... the Warlock said he magic had died out, But when the Dragon's were born it was renewed! He also said, that the magic was greater when they were in each other's company! This is a major foreshadowing! The existence of the Dragon's has made what was impossible: POSSIBLE! But this is every bit Danny's magic as well!
Melasandre! a sociopath? noooooo...... LMAO. Great video Gray. 👏👍🤙🐶😁I hope I spelled that right. 🤔lol
So Melisande will be Bran's Nissa Nissa? Plausible. I think the NK was a willing sacrifice as well, though we've yet to learn all there. Seems a willing victim would amplify a scarifies effectiveness.
So - Mayhaps - Bran is the Last Hero, Dany is Azor Ahai, and Jon is the Prince who was promised - or is that the other way around?
Poison Rationality I'm starting to think that maybe there are 3 hero's like you suggested. The problem is so many believe that those prophecys are all relevant to one person.
That's the rub about dreams, legends, lore, old stories. They ma have originally been based of actual facts or events - but being passed down over so many generations form old nannies to young kids, over and over again... so much gets embellished, confused, added and subtracted. So much gets muddled, so I can't take any of them as fact. But there are kernels of truth in them all. So maybe 3 heroes - each playing their own roles and making their own sacrifices all together are required. We will see how it plays out.
There are four hero's.
Azor Ahai Reborn - Davos Seaworth
Prince who was Promised - Jon Snow
Last Hero - Bran/Tyrion
Stallion that Mounts the World - Dany.
Melisandre Is low key a top 5 character
*HIGH KEY
She’s hot, evil, and mysterious. The holy trinity lol.
Give me some Juice!
Melisandre is the faceless man
What if she’s the knight queen? And the knight king the the great other thus the song of Ice of fire??
Sweet Summer Juice!
I think she was from hardhome , I believe she is a green seer, I truly believe she is Nissa Nissa and Jon killing her is her ultimate sacrifice and redemption arc.
I love you. I just can't have enough videos from you. I hadn't had this kind of appreciation for anybody before (or after you, so far, jk). Please, keep doing this with other great shows.
Dail Class thank you for the compliment!!! 😁
Sorry, I was writing while working. By "this kind of appreciation" I mean as far as vloggers go, you truly are my very favorite. You're amazing!!!!
Dail Class I agree
Dail Class I figured that’s what u meant!!
And besides the red eyes, she has red hair... just like some girls from the North of Westeros we know, like Ygritte and Sansa... and her fellow red priestess Kinvara...
I paused right when hardhome was mentioned because I am SCREAMING I have always wondered about hardhome and hadn't the slightest clue where to begin with a theory about it and now I'm like YES BITCH YEEESSSS FEED ME
That's right! Feed her to Bran. Awesome video.
Alan Thompson thank you!
GrayArea further evidence can seen in Varys and Mel's opposite/parallel relationship. Hrs from Essos and rose to power in Wes, and she's from Wes but became powerful in Essos. (I'm on ASOS rn so idk if they meet in the books)
@GrayArea
This is quite founded evidence you’ve accumulated. I admit, I didn’t make the connection between Mel and Ghost of High Heart and Hard Home, and while all of this does sound legit and I don’t doubt that it is and/or could be.... BUT, what about the similarly striking description of Melisandre and Sheira Sea Star both? The only difference between the two are the colors. If she did indeed come from Hard Home and we know that Bloodraven has been beyond the wall a LONG time. And we also know that Sheira and Brynden Rivers (aka Bloodraven) we’re lovers (aside from being siblings...) and another huge similarity is that some woman called out her name in that memory. Melisandre didn’t call out her own name, that’d be silly. But if it were her own mother...? We know what love does to these people. Bloodraven loved Sheira and she continually slept with others because his anger and jealousy amused her. He could’ve done something to separate the mother of his child he loved so she endure the same heartache he did. And he probably is saddened by it deeply even though he could’ve done so out of jealous rage.
Anyway, there are just too many similarities between all three of them. And her age could also coincide with Bloodraven and Sheira’s timeline. Sheira was a master of dark arts and witchcraft as well...
Yeah , she ain't always accurate , but her God is real. You bring guys back from the dead , you're real. I've had a cockeyed notion that it's Benjin - whom we did not see die - who kills the Night King, but Mellisandre the crone could pass for a wight , and could get close enough. That would be a worthy sacrifice. But spilling her blood at the weirwood tree , re-animating it so Bran can take his place among it's roots would be cool , too. That long moment with Arya - who could not possibly be KIng- makes one think she is looking for Bran as well.
I am way behind on the series and haven't read the books, but i think that Melisandre was the pale white lady at the wall that the 13th commander of the Night's watch came across... Not a female white walker, but a witch of the woods... The "first men" were the more advanced men of Essos or whatever and the wildlings were human men and women that already lived in Westeros amongst the children of the forest that learned their culture and ways of life... And magic. She was a fledgling witch then... But all great sorcerers and sorceresses are reborn many times... Melisandre is her latest incarnation and she had power at the wall because she was tapping into some of her own natural powers... She is the GOT Lilith in a sense. Idk... I enjoy the unwritten backstory of things and that's just one theory... Maybe I'm far off... Lmk what you think
This one gave me chills, Gray! Love it!
Yesssssss goal achieved!!!
GrayArea
Most original theory I've heard since The Smokescreen - Godseye Theory. And that's saying something!
You, Talking, and Smoke are my favorite channels!
Within the world of Fire and Ice, magic is a source to gain power different “disciplines” if you want to think of them that way a magic user must dedicate themselves to a god.
There seems to be several different types of magic, blood magic, shadow magic, fire magic, ice magic, water magic, illusion, air, etc etc..
Some are better at offense some at defense others at divination.
Fire magic linked to shadow magic is a great example of two types of magic helping to support each other.
I think Melisandre was thinking about her shadow magic and how she was the best at it, she acts like a shadow as shadows don’t need to eat or sleep or breath.... or age.
Melisandre uses illusion magic in her necklace that gives her her youthful looks.
Her flame magic is secondary to her shadow magic, she doesn’t seem to see things in the flames very well.
Her green seer abilities are what binds all magic. The Wearwood trees are all linked, the Wall is magically bound, and helps to draw more of the magic that the land provides, all forms of magic users would find the focus at the Wall to their advantage.
These are my thoughts.
I did however love this video.
Gray , why wouldn't the children be able to be born anywhere on Planetos trees can grow. By that same token why must Shadowbinders or anyone who has an in-born power potential be strickly moored in one not so special place versus another. Now, a different tale is told over where one acquires training and fully potentializes.
This makes Mellisandre over 600 years old! I am sure that she can manipulate flames. Imagine the Dragons breathing fire and Mellisandre manipulating them 2 burn more Wights!
Never thought of Melisandre a coming from North of the wall - I thought she was Shiera Seastar. Could she be the woman who helped Mance Rayder and stitched red silk into his tattered claok?
Well ... guess ur wrong. But Mel being a greenseer is just too delicious of a theory. Hopefully we’ll see it in the book. She is my number 1 fav.
I was watching a few theory videos and kept thinking, I hate listening to these men speak, they sound so annoying. Maybe I should rerecord some of these for them 😂 then I find this gem! Not only is the content on point, your voice is pleasing to listen to!
in the nissa nissa story its says her scream of agony and ecstasy split the moon {when the sword was plunged into her breast}, in ADWD pg 408 melisandre says the fire was in her an agony and ecstasy...
I do believe that Mellisandra is pivotal to the entire prophecy of "the Prince who will come," . She was completely thrown off because Jon was hidden and well hidden. Who could see a Stark protecting the Targaryen and he did this almost immediately after his Father and brother were so brutally murdered by an evil MAD king? His devotion to his sister and the pack was unlimited! Mellisandra has been seeking the one with the right blood. Dany may be ice and fire but, not of the Kings of winter. This is all blood magic. Only death pays for life. D.
On a completely different topic i would seriously. Buy all the books on cd or download them all if your voice was reading them u always have me engaged when u read excerpts
I think Bran might warg into Jon, to make sure he makes Dany his Nissa Nissa, I don't think Jon will be able to shove The Sword in her heart so maybe Bran will have to do that
Jon was rediculous 2 let her go after she said that she can help him win the war! She did bring ice & fire together and she will come back with Kinvara who is stronger than Mellisandre and the Fiery Hand!
Apart from fact I think she was a wildling taken from hardhome its pretty ironic she preaches about the true God rhlor when in fact the reason why I think she's more powerful at the wall is because of her first men blood ancestry
You should totally do audiobooks I’m like in love with your voice!! Loving the content keep up the good work!!
She's definitely the nights queen from years ago. Also the ghost of high heart later on during rhaegars time. Now she's Melisandre.
she was also Irogenia of Lys and Nymeria.
Brilliant video. I haven’t heard much of what you shared. Thoroughly enjoyed your commentary.
yet another top theory from grey area
Omg the god of light bringing her slowly to her own sacrifice that would be so fucken good!!!!!!!! I hope this will happen
I always thought she was valerian, but in grrm world it would totally make sense that the fire priestess was from the icy north, yet another song of ice and fire, good shit
Melisandre is a revived dead, like Benjen. Makes much more sense than the greenseer thing. The kidnapped slave can still fit.
If Bran was injured & was going to die , & she gave him the kiss before he died , maybe it would heal all his injures & he could walk again !
A greenseer can raise the dead as well, so she could still save Jon in the books if your theory is correct. But her cryptic statements about the fire living within her just won’t let me go of the Nissa Nissa theory. Therefore I propose that Bran will gain no strength from Melisandre but Jon Snow instead will reap the benefits of any sacrifice she might have to make. However her greenseer abilities could allow her to directly block or cut off the Night Kings influence over the rest of the dead leaving him alone and defenseless. The ghost of high heart thing is definitely a show amalgamation of two characters just as many others on the show for sure. But weather or not it plays a bearing on the books still remains to be seen. GRRM tells us that they are two very different stories in his mind at this point, but he seems confused when he speaks sometimes so who knows if he is just trolling us or trying to straight mislead us all together. Your ideas are complete and thoughtful as usual which makes you one of the best at what you do, keep em coming.
@Eldrik
That is not correct. A Greenseer cannot raise the death, neither did Mel save Jon, Davos did. Thoros of Myr explicitly stated that he didn't bring back Beric, but R'hollor did because Thoros didn't want Beric too die. Davos didn't want Jon too die.
Also: The statement about a fire living within in, is also made towards several other characters, since it means you have a burning passion for something/someone in your heart and that you want to do something about it.
In real folklore Green and Red eyes are thought to be the mark of Witchcraft or Vampirism......
Lord6of6the6Blackmoon I didn’t know that. That’s cool!
Melisandre can have my neck any night
Gold eyes too.
She could be a slave from hardhome. If this is the case I'm sure she doesn't know this and the Bran reveal is prefect. She is Nissa Nissa
I think Nissa Nissa was a Red Priestess of Rholor. And I think Mel is Nissa Nissa reincarnated and the Night King is Azor Ahi.
The best GoT explanations and theories hands down. Love the background music too.
This is compelling evidence!
I really like her delivery. It's like listening to hot topics on the Wendy Williams show in a world of ice and fire
I think her great seer blood watering the weirwood tree at Winterfell is unlikely as it falls and the tree is burnt. Never mind.
Mel is arrogant, Benerro\Kinvira is the best in her order. Mel always misinterprets the visions
Musspuss yaa she is wrong and she misinterpreted many vision but what about her last vision comes true last time 🤔
I think Melisandre is Nissa Nissa and Jon kills her because he said he would if he saw her again. Maybe by the heart tree in Wintefell. Thereby creating lightbringer and feeding the heart tree all at once.
Over all I hope she meets Arya again because she said so to Arya.. what will happen then?!
If she is a Greenseer she is a Greenseer heretic, working for the fire lord, the trees will hate that!
Hi, Great one...Think, the greenseer thing kind of fit with the fact of her saying to Jon „you know nothing Jon Snow“
Brilliant as always! Historically “number of years beyond count” is a very wide variety... in Maya tradition is anything bigger than 20; in the Old Testament 40...
What does black blood tell you about the person in game of thrones?
Thank you for the video GrayArea. Amazing as always. I wonder about Melisandre. She cleared out most of the top families in Westeros? Why did all these people have to die? After all the deaths she says in the show she has bought ice and fire together. Jon and Danny. I wonder why she help wipe out so many people? These people could have fought in the war to come. What is her true motive? She serves the lord of light. I ask who does she really serve? I have to wonder. Is she really on the side of the living?
Thank you 🙏 ❤️ have a great day
AntiqueGamer I think she is on the side of the living. There is an interesting quote from GRRM where he is talking about eye color, he said he didn’t like that people with brown eyes were always portrayed as normal and then the doers of great deeds always had blue or hazel eyes. And he said he was guilty of this with both Daenerys and Melisandre. So this quote kind of makes me think she will do something great! www.westeros.org/Citadel/SSM/Entry/4142
I I really hope she does a great deed and helps to save Westeros on the show. No one has a video questioning her real motives. Asking who she really serves. She could be misunderstood. If she is a double agent that would be one really cool plot twist. I will do some more reading. Thank you for the link and most of thank you for getting us through the long night. I await your next upload.
The night is dark and lucky for us is full of GrayArea videos. 🙏❤️
Or maybe its Karma biting in the ass everyone who had a hand in the Rebellion. Think abt it, Rhaegar was preparing for the Long Night, and then these fuckers ruined everything, now the NK is too powerful and the realm divided. Thanks a lot Ned Stark, Lyanna was right all along. If only u had taken ur sisters side.
Maybe Melissandre was meant to clean Westeros from the Baratheon filth that have power cuz they got lucky years ago by killing a green prince and his 2 babies, so that when the real rulers come, their path is mostly free to focus on the real enemy. Who knows maybe the Lord of Light is pissed abt the Targaryen slaughter. Rhaegar belived in that damned prophecy, he doesnt strike me as a beliver in the 7, but the Red god.
All the shit that has happened to both Dany and Jon, I mean he charged at Ramsay under a shower of arrows, still alive, all the enemies Dany has faced so far, still alive, yet the "Bananis" cant win shit even with magic.
Gods are vicious.
Renly sat at Roberts table and said "Dany and her baby have to die for us to keep our power" gets killed by a baby demon. Stannis ....dont even get me started on that dirtbag. That same fleet he took to Dragonstone 2 decades ago to kill pregnant Rhaella, burned with Aerys' wildfire. KARMA. Death by fire is the purest death.
The Red Wedding, the fucking Tullys, the blood of Hoster who benefited the most from the Rebellion, where are they now?? Ppl forget both Catelyn and Cersei benefited from the rebellion, both power hungry over a chair that doesnt belong to either fish or cat, in the end both lived long enough to watch their children die, they suffered just like Ellia and Queen Rhaella did when their kids died.
The way I see it, the Lord used her to clean the path for Jon and Dany. All whats left is Cersei, far in the south. and Euron who is not that strong in land. Shes all abt sacrificing kingsblood to win, yet the blood of Aegon T is right in front of her, she feels the need to protect him and warns him abt daggers. Just saying
AntiqueGamer this crap is not right and it's scary just like Star Wars and everything else the female is advertising the bride of Christ we're all in for it one big deception.. remember the wedding mentioned in the Bible
What do you think about "feed Theon to the tree" from the chapter sample?
I always thought she may be the former Night's Queen...
Great video! Leave it to grayarea to crack the code on Melisandre.
OMG! This would explain her strange connection with Ghost! I always thought it was so weird that Ghost never shared Jon’s wariness around her, when they usually mirror emotions so closely. Or why Ghost and Mel aren’t repelled by each other, despite Ghost arguably being a creature of the Old Gods that Mel considers to be agents of the great other. It fits so perfectly! Bravo!!
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I think it would be cool if Melisandra convinced some red priests to cross the ocean to fight against the night king. Jon and Dannearis could really use some magic users.
Here's food for thought, I am only on book 3 & maybe they tell, but I was wondering what happened to the 7 dragon eggs and Summerhall? Fire shouldn't hurt dragon eggs, so....where are they? If the book tells, I haven't made it that far. Just curious
Was she a wildling from Hardhome? A daughter of Bloodravens,as a ranger?
Connie Super that's exactly what I thought!!
Well, if the burning of Hardhome happened 600 years before GoT, it's very unlikely. Bloodraven was born about 125 years and disappeared around 50 years before GoT. He was even with Maester Aemon when he joined the Watch!
Any of this would have been better than what they ended up doing.
I don't believe in this because people tend to over read and over see things everywhere, taking any elements available to construct new theories (everything, every word is possibly open to interpretation at this point), but it's very interesting for sure. There are so many possibilities for such a mysterious and magical character, that anything could be surprising.
Maybe she’s stronger at the wall because the wall was literally made out of magic and the magic of the North is true magic while others (example some people in Essos)use tricks to get by.
What about the other red priestess that visited Khalessii!
Maybe she's stronger at the wall because when she's closer to her enemies (Night King) her powers grows almost like a automatic defense.
Jim Jones could be. Somewhat like a transformer.power up when the enemy is near
GrayArea Exactly she is a someone or something lool who's potential abilities could be boundless depending on her location and situation. It may sound crazy but I feel she is balance where living and the dead fight she is that something in between. My theory still needs to be prove
How ironic if she has to sacrifice to the very trees she had cut down and burned
Very good your right her story will end with Her sacrifice as Nissa Nissa > for winterfell weirwood > maybe LightBringer is winterfell Castle Magical stuff is going to happen with the dragons too gonna be like a atomic bomb of ice and fire
Mark PJF85 this nissa nissa thing is crap, they never bring anything in the show about it and they should just make it like nothing at the end?
Clayton Bugeja maybe > and yes it’s all about the Prince or princess that was promised and also Azor Ahai reborn
I think that Melisandra is the new Nissa, Nissa.
I think the Children they speaking of in Asshai are CotF. I have wondered if any relationship between Melissandre and the Ghost of High Heart other than the red eyes. We have red, green, and blue eyes. Oh yeah the grey Stark eyes are a thing. See you got me thinking about all kinds of stuff now. I'm gonna stop at Hardhome, Great video! 🔥💜 I am feeling it. It could explain the importance of it too. The mystery. See I'm doing it😜😆
I hadn't known about the Starks' "Old Way" of feeding their trees. I bet you're right on this one, Gray.
Why am I just watching your videos? Awesome theory. A little late for me to comment on her sacrifice but I totally think that she has the blood of the first men and the children of the Forrest. What’s interesting is in her chapter she mentions 1000 eyes see her with a wolf at his side. Obvious Blood Raven connection. How else would she have a connection to Blood Raven as a Red Priestess. Being a greenseer would make this connection, but I think the connection is deeper with those two. Is the fire she feel inside R’hllor or Bloodraven? Anyone know what happened to Shiera Seastar? If Melisandre isn’t her, Melisandre is definitely someone Bloodraven met North of the wall.
What about the Red Priestess that visited Varys and Tyrion when Dany was acquiring her Dothraki army? She seemed way more powerful than Melissandre! She knew all about Varys and Tyrion! That scene is very important!
I thimk your bang on grey area iv thought the same for while that she W'as taken from hard home if that's the case it a at 400 years!!The only prone she didn't have a tattoos on her face which wud show that they r slaves so that's the only problem I got with this but still think she's a wilding from hard home! ,valar moghulis
as jon snow plunges his sword into the red witch's heart, his sword becomes brighter then the sun in flames as bran is engulfed by her power. Jon kills the knight king and brans power restores the wall and pushes back winter.
Great video Grey...very informative.
Cool thought also what if feed her to the Weirwood trees gives Bran the power to control Viserion? Wow!
Addacus Finch huh?