The Playseat Fanatec CSL DD Challenge!
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- Can the Playseat Challenge handle the Fanatec CSL DD? Lets find out! :)
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Sorry guys I don't have a GT Omega Apex to test this on any more, but looking at how it works on the PSC I'm sure it will be fine! :)
So no need for drivehub? Nice!
For those wondering, we tested with the F-GT Lite in our original CSL DD video. Confirming its about the same amount of flex as you're demonstrating here :)
Pretty much what we'd expect :)
Maybe the csl DD sits further back on the mounting plate vs the Clubsport? As I don't have that much front/back wobble, but with my back issues and very little assembly on the f gt lite it was the easy choice. Upgrade to a proper DD wheel/cockpit one day.
Do you notice it when you're racing normally?
Dude. It's amazing how often I think of a specific sim rig question, type it into the search bar, and one of your videos pops up. Great work, and many thanks.
lol I must be doing something right then!
CSL DD mounted to a Playset Challenge... an ultra budget motion sim! Brilliant!
In all seriousness though, I'll be mounting one to a wheel stand come September, hoping to do something similar to your GT Omega ART strengthening. Should be a big improvement over my current G27.
Well that did it for me. I'm now comfortable buying the Csl DD when it releases late November. Cant wait! Thanks Karl :)
No worries! :)
I am so thankful to have a real dude do some TH-cam on simracing. Usually its 15 y/o with RGB LEDs in their glasses and a voice like my daughter. Keep it up mate!
This made me literally laugh out loud! :D
I was literally trying to find a video on this an hour ago, thanks a lot mate!
This is exactly the kind of stuff I love about your channel. No frills, just proper reviews of equipment that the majority of people can afford to use in combination with one another. Thank you!
There are apparently some half decent kits out there that strengthen the Playseat's wheel mount and pedal mount. There's some kits with reviews saying they're perfect for wheel bases like the CSW, which was also 8Nm of torque.
I'm going to be combining the CSL DD, Playseat Challenge and this strengthening kit to see if it's any good. Will report back in 2024 when my Fanatec gear actually arrives!
Thanks mate! :)
Yeah I reviewed a bracing kit from LDS a week or so ago, works well.
How has that setup gone for you?
Hello from 2024
Recently I've started watching your videos and I really like how relaxed you give honest reviews and demonstrations on products. Thank you for that, I subbed :)
Glad you like them!
Legend! Thanks you so much for doing this. Makes me feel more at ease have DD on the way :D
Great video, Karl. Thanks. :)
Nice to know that if you're upgrading in stages, it's ok to get this wheel base first and get good use out of it before upgrading the rig later.
Very true!
Karl you do an awesome job w the channel- and all the honest info is very helpful.... Keep on kickin ass and makin great content... Love that wheel✌️
Thanks mate!
Yeah I do, it looks so cool! :)
I knew you'd have a review on this 👍🏼 still using my playseat with my G29, I upgraded to the V3 pedals a few months ago. Now really considering getting this CSL DD to replace the wheel. Great video as always!
I would be a great upgrade mate, well worth it!
Thanks for answering our question!
Looks like you have put good time into this thanks 🙏
As always.
Quality content presented like an adult speaking to other adults.
Thank you Karl. Playseat should send you something for making their products look so good.
Thanks mate! :)
Thanks for the review mate. I am pretty much one of those who wanted to check how the seat handles with the CSL DD. Cheers.
This is a great review, glad I found this Karl fella, really good content.
I'm on a playseat challenge/G29 set up at the minute. Love the playseat and the pedals of the G29 but not that impressed with the notchy, unrealistic feedback.
Going to upgrade to the fanatec soon.
Welcome aboard!
@@KarlGosling Thanks mate, subscribed!
Thaks Karl, ive just start watching your videos and they are well done! I am starting a sim cockpit for my pc and PS5 and your input is insightful.
Welcome aboard mate!
Thank you very, very much for another massively helpful video. I just bought the PlaySeat challenge (hasn't arrived yet), but on the basis of this video ... I feel confident now I can pair it with the Moza R9 base @ 9NM. There's just no way I can spare room for any other solution, and my Logitech G23 just isn't cutting it for iRacing either. Cheers Karl :)
Hope you enjoy it mate! :)
Absolutely love the content Karl! You talk with knowledge.
Thanks Paul!
Well, I think I'm convinced. After watching many of your comparison videos I think I'm going with a Playseat to pair with my new CSL DD. The F-GT looks nice, but I think the Formula position is just too low for a desk setup (which many probably will have). The slim and quick foldability of the Playseat have sold me, on top of that cattle grid vibration. Thanks Karl!
Sounds like a good shout mate! :)
this is the vid i've been waiting for someone to make, thanks!
I have a similar setup, Challenge and a full Logitech G27.
I got the Leo Bodnar USB adapter for the pedals, since I keep the pedals on the floor all the time.
I'll get their USB cable for the shifter once my CSL DD ships:)
Thanks for making this video, keep the content coming!
Sounds good! :)
Thanks mate!
I have the Fanatec CSL Elite mounted on my Playseat Challenge. It's lighter and more compact with almost no flex. Love your set up , I also use a 49in. Sony X95H tv for my monitor.
So you can put CSL Pedals on this playseat easily?
@@CarnivorousMonster Zip Ties
@@fz10rider26 bit late, but how'd you use the zipties?
Just ordered a CSL DD for my playseat challenge, have my wheelplate in the default position so wonder how the flex is gonna be! Thanks for the video, it was exactly what I was looking for.
so what's up? how is it? haha :)
I think id rather have a nice wooden desk. But great video for showing how it will perform on the playseat which is something that alot of people would want to know.
I run the csw 2.5/8 NM of torque on my f gt lite with very little flex in the lower formula style set up. Super sturdy compared to the playseat, but also takes a bit more space for the pedals and a reclining chair. I'd say it has a few advantages in sturdyness over the playseat if you have a bit more room.
Thanks for the test, Karl. I’m going to try to find a Playseat Challenge and GT DD Pro 8nm now :)
Greetings from Vancouver 🇨🇦
Couldn't stop looking at the speaker and stereo system. Takes me back a while 😂
Love my Jamos!
Thank you Karl!! Happy to know I will be ok once mine arrives!!!! Looks like a bit of motion platform going on! 👍
lol it does!
THIS IS IT! Amazing. I can now with quite the confidence buy this seat and buy the GT DD wheel for ps5. :) Thanks for the content!
No problem!
Hey have you pre order it or bought the fast delivery to have a feedback of the GT DD Pro on that seat? :)
Brilliant mate. Thank you for this video. Very informative. Sending good vibes from Texas.
Thanks Luis! :)
Just upgraded to a progressive spring on my G920 pedals. Makes a lot of difference. There are also DIY arduino-based USB adapter guides over the web, so you can use the pedals independant of the wheel base. That makes the Logitech pedals quite an interesting entry-level set I might say, apart for the potentiometer wear. :) Anyways, it is nice to see the "good old" G920 again in a video. :P
thanks for indulging us Karl, brilliant vid :D
Planning to get the F-GT Lite with the Fanatec GT DD wheel. This answered the question i was asking around! Thank you!
Glad I could help!
So useful, I just got my csl dd and I was afraid I wouldn't be able to fit it
You and the guys from boosted media are absolute legends. Great content
Thanks mate! :)
Hey Gosling,
I am in the opposite side. I have bought my DD (will arrive in Oct) and I am thinking about buying a cockpit/seat to play with it.
Seeing your video makes me think seriously buying this playseat. I have a small apartment and need one small enough to fit in my office.
Thank you for this video. 💪🏾👏🏽
They work for people that need a foldable cockpit, otherwise a static rig is always going to be better.
@@KarlGosling Yeah, but I cannot put a static rig on my apartment. :(
Thank you
Well I have to say, I'm remarkably impressed at how good that all looked, glad I'm not the only one who drives in bare feet either 😂👣
lol It's summer so the feet are out!
Awesome video Karl. I'll be putting my 8NM DD on my Apex cockpit w seat frame and RS6. Can't wait
Yeah will be fine! :)
Good stuff mate, was looking forward to this.
Glad you enjoyed it
I have a gt lite and only got the 5 nm wheel because I was afraid of the flex. I will now order the boost pack. I thanks for the review
Wow didn’t realise you could use the fanatec wheel with Logitech pedals 🤣 that could have saved me a lot of money! Great video mate keep it up 👍🏼
Thanks for following through and making this video!
My pleasure!
This is what I was waiting for. Now I'm 100% sold on this
Awesome! :)
exactly the video I was looking for :)
The one we were waiting on...Thx
Can't wait for my DD to arrive in late September. Happy I will be mounting it to a a GT Omega ART, but I am surprised it doesn't flex as much as I was imagining it would with the playseat.
I was surprised too!
This is the video I was looking for!
The exact video I was looking for. Thanks bud
No problem 👍
Well, that answered a burning question I had - nice one Karl!
No worries! :)
Excellent, thanks Karl!
Thanks Karl for the great video! All you need are two broomsticks or something similar in 30cm and 15cm diameter sawn to the right length (measure the height of the wheelbase plate from the floor +0.5cm for tension), 4 wood screws for the centre bars and an adjustable furniture foot. Maybe some black paint to make it look nicer. At least with the T300 nothing wobbles anymore and as a nice side effect the pedal mount of the Loadcell pedals stays on the floor even when braking hard. All in all, it didn't cost me more than 20 euros. Unfortunately I don't know if I can link pictures here.
I'll answer myself ;-)
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This actually is really clever. Is it possible to put the supports on the arms instead of the plate for better movement freedom?
@@iFBNm8 I have not tried this but I think the most important thing is that the plate is stabilized. When you push the steering wheel up and down, the plate is the part with the most flex. What also helps a lot is to stabilize the seat itself. Especially when it is on a soft surface (carpet).
I have two narrow flat wooden plates (60cm long, 10 cm wide and 1cm high) placed lengthwise under the chair legs. So the seat is very stable and does not wobble back and forth. And that is also all quickly put away when you want to put the seat away ;-)
Thank you again Karl for doing this!
No problem! :)
@@KarlGosling Hey one quick question though, for long term use wise, will the base be able to handle long term use without bending it from weight and ffb dealt out?
Yeah the wheel is pretty big. Great vid as always
Awesome i Was thinking about mounting it to a f gt lite but will go With the normal f gt instead as it looks like a good amount of flex but thats expected With a foldable rig
Thanks Karl, you've made my mind up :)
Glad I could help!
You can get usb adapters for the shifter I have a Leobodnar one but arduino based options are also available 😊
Still Love the content btw it was your original play-seat vid that got me into Sim racing 😁
Yeah I thought there was something out there.
Oh excellent mate! :)
This is the video I've been waiting! 🙏
Will you receive the new CSL pedals? If so, could you do a similar videos for playset challenge?
I already have them here mate and will be reviewing them soon! :)
Answering the questions the over-stretched budget gamer needs to know. A proper cockpit is on the agenda, but for now this will work.
Thanks for the review this is what I'm going to be using soon as they realise ps4 gran turismo wheel
Have you thought of left-foot braking?
Remember seeing an old 5th-gear video with VBH sitting alongside Colin McRae, whilst he drove an old, air-cooled Porsche 911 rally car. His feet were doing a Scottish jig on all the pedals! 😉
Great video Karl! I just got the Logitech g pro wheel & pedals and waiting for Playseat challenge actif. I need a portable solution and thanks for the video!
Great stuff Karl another great video , I’d have been doing this if I hadn’t done a massive upgrade had lots of fun on play seat with csl elite now dd1 , 3090 pc, shaker kit 80/20 etc
Awesome review!!
Surprised by how somewhat sturdy this setup looks when you’re driving it!
I've also got that chair and its really good for what it is. I've bought it because it folds up very nicely to safe space
@@RedLinerNL in your opinion, is the playseat possible to be put, once disassembled, in a large suitcase in case of moving abroad and wanting to bring the racing rig along with me?
@@christian7496 not sure if it would fit in a suitcase. Then it would have to be a big one. Folded up i think 40 cm thick, length is around a 1,5 m. I can tell you that it fits in the trunk of my fiesta
My mind has been put as easy with this video I can’t wait for my csl dd to come now 😂
Great comparison sir, I liked your video. Thank you
Awesome Karl, I'm going to hey a DD because of this video!
Have fun!
to me it seems the flex you have is up and down, i dont imagine it would flex from left to right a lot. but even if it does, it's still your own muscle force against the FFB that could eventually bend something, so you'd still feel the force, i think it would rather create (small) inaccuracy in your steering.
Indigo lime upgrades sort all flex. Reach out to them for bits to review. I run did pro and load cell. Next to no movement and still foldable
Can't imagine what a thrustmaster dd wheelbase would look like, since all their stuff is made out of plastic. Would their dd also be plastic i wonder.😄 And don't get me wrong, i like thrustmaster products. I drive a t300, and will be soon selling that and buying a ts-xw base. But i can't see them making a dd base out of metal all of a sudden. They have no expertice in the production and design of such product.
Btw. The setup in the video looks surprisingly decent for a foldable cockpit, i'm quite impressed.😄
Hi Karl. Love the honest vids. I’m thinking of picking up the new GT7 fanatec wheel. I have to use a playseat to keep it out of the mrs way. What I can’t find on you tube is how anyone has eloquently bolted the CSL pedal set with load cell to it.! The strap simply won’t work, I can see that. Perhaps you could have a fiddle with your csl pedal seat and playseat and post up a vid??
Great video as usual ! I have that setup and I was wondering how many screws and which position of the plate you use. Since I only find 2 compatible ways of attaching the csl to the plate and one of them tmstays to close to your chest when you are driving. I had to turn the plate 180 degrees and use only 3 screws.
Three bolts in a triangle configuration mate, kind of in the middle of the plate.
Hi, thanks for the video, cool to see that it can work even with 8nm! I’m thinking about getting a F-GT lite as I need it to be foldable. Looking at either getting the TS-PCRacer or this to go with it...What would you recommend? I would use the DD with 5nm as I’m not bothered about the extra torque but idk whether the wheel would come too far in towards the chair and would be uncomfortable and the DD would only be held by 3 instead of 4 bolts? (So idk about long term stability?) I’m sort of leaning towards the TS PC racer as I’m more confident it will work with the F GT lite ok...I don’t want to waste money if the DD isn’t really suitable...but I’m open to opinions.
CSL DD will work perfectly mate, I have a TS-PC Racer here (was my daily for over two years).
Three bolts holding it is fine, certainly at only 5nm.
great video as always... you help me a lot over the last year with buying guide of equipment ... could you tell me please its a big diference regarding csl dd compared to csw 2.5?
In the way it feels yes big difference, power is similar.
Thanks good review!
Glad it was helpful!
Love your work mate.
Any recommendation on a rally wheel to use with a podium hub amd csw2.5? Something light, comfortable on bare hands? I think I want to avoid a deep dish so it doesnt extend closer to me than my 918 rsr wheel.
WRC wheel is good.
Sorry I've not really tried many wheels mate and mine are both suede so need gloves! lol
Awesome video! If you still have a GT Omega Apex around, could you test the CSL DD on it?
Sorry I don't have one any more mate.
Good content. I have the 1 class higher Playseat evolution and honestly i am not very happy with it anymore and i got this wheelbase incoming early next month. I allready had to custom make support bars for the pedal plate because it flexed super hard with loadcells on there and now with a Higher NM wheelbase inc i am thinking about going to a higher class sim rig alltogether.
This playseat stuff is good for entry level Thrustmaster & Logitech stuff, anything above that i am not really sure honestly.
I mean it will work but there's definitely much better choices!
@@KarlGosling Any recommendations ? Been looking at Sim-Lab & Track Racer rigs so far, all looks tempting!
I got the Playseat challenge Actifit a few days ago. The one and only problem I have with it is the headrest is angled too far forward and it gives me neck pain. I was using the Next Level Racing GT Lite for five months and the playseat replaced it.
But what I've done is swapped the pedal mount from the GT lite to the Playseat challenge thing. It bolted on to the playseat perfectly. I also swapped over the wheel plate attachment.
I immediately felt that the FFB felt much better with my T400 on the playseat than the GT lite.
My next move is to buy the stiffening mods for the playseat.
Just don't put loadcel pedals on it. I have done that, and it still works after a few days, but I can feel that one of these days I will destroy the seat. The wheel works fine (it moves but works). The pedals is a different story. Also I have the pedals almost at max range, Karl has the pedals very close to him. So I am thinking that I am a bit longer than he is. This maybe contributes to the wonky feeling I have with the pedals.
But for everyone who wants to use loadcell, and dd wheels for that matter, I highly recomend to buy a stronger cockpit that the playseat. It is a matter of time before (at least in my case) the seat falls apart.
Hi Karl, great videos and very informative. A kind request for a future vid for someone like myself who has a playseat challenge due to space constraints.
I currently have the playseat challenge and logitech g29. I really want to upgrade to the Fanatec DD pro, im just abit worried about how then playseat challenge will handle it.
If you could please do a review with the DD Pro with just the 5nm power supply on one of the gran turismo series (7 or sport).
Good morning amazing video so please which gloves are you using for driving a direct drive wheel?
Surprisingly good!
Thats what I thought! lol
Great video, straight to the point to solve our doubts about playseat challenge and Fanatec DD. One question: you are using pedals and shifter from Logitech with your Fanatec base/wheel. I guess it works on a PC with some RJ45 adaptots... but not on playstation, right? Many thanks
Just plugged in USB mate, but no I don't think this would work on console.
With the T-nut system, would it be possible to mount the CSL DD with the wheel plate in the center position? Thinking the center position would solve a lot of the wheel plate stability problems.
Amazing how little flex there is, the high steering wheel is something I always didn’t like about the playseat, even my g920 feels high on it
Yeah it's a pain!
Thanks Karl. This is really meeting the people where they are at. Its one thing to tell someone that the CSL DD will work on a Playseat Challenge. Its an entirely different thing to show them.
The PSC is the most popular racing 'rig' on the planet so it needed covering! :)
Love the videos Karl. This is exactly what I was hoping to find. I pre-ordered the CSL DD a few months ago and am taking the opportunity to upgrade from my G920+xbox+playseat combo to CSL-DD+PC+playseat. I'm in the process of building the PC and am on a bit of a budget so would really appreciate any advice you can give on the min specs. I mainly play AC. I'm trying to make use of some old DDR3 RAM I have so looking at AM3+ mobo. Do you think this would be ok or should I fork out on B450M, Ryzen etc?
For 1080p with something like a GTX 1050ti it works fine, see my budget build pc video mate.
@@KarlGosling I've seen your budget build, was really great the first legit budget build video out there! It's what gave me the inspiration to dig out my old kit. Love the channel
Thanks a lot mate! Just what I was looking for!
Does having a bigger wheel rim make it more wobbly ? Because I want primarily use smaller wheels like the Mclaren or , the wrc, or the f1 wheel. Will those be more stable ?
Yes it does mate, smaller wheel have less leverage :)
@@KarlGosling Oh perfect! Thank you Karl!
Nice review ! I was thinking about taking that seat and the Fanatec GT DD Pro , but i was wondering if it wasn't too heavy for that seat and no pedals movement problems? I guess this is the same than that one you've tested in that video? What would be your advice? Thank's :)
Yes mate it's the same, just the console version.
@@KarlGosling and that wheel movement we see in the vidéo aint such a problem?
I can confirm you can get an USB adapter for the Logitech shifter.
Both Leobodnar adapters for the shifter and peddles (peddles adapter also ups the resolution from 8bit via G29 to 10 bit via adapter).
I'm just using the Arduino Micro I already have for my DIY button box and handbrake to also process the G25 pedals and shifter. There is a pretty good library for the G25/G27 on github by user RamjetX, you can probably also find one for the G29/G920/G923 in case it isn't already compatible.
Hi,I have the pkayseat challenge and I'm considering moving up from a Logitech G29 to the Csl DD.I have a question which is a little off topic.Im playing Wrc9 on the logitech,is the feeling of the tyres with the ground a better feeling or more realistic with csl dd.Ive heard its a better feel with games like Asseto corsa competizione.Thanks.
I have an F-GT Lite and the CSL DD (5nm) is on its way. Really hoping I wont be bothered by the flex.
So was the Flex fine, or to much?
I just order the gt dd pro 5nm. And consider which chair setup to use.? It Will be in my living room so I mere to be able to pack i away easily
I have the X-Rocker XR Gaming Seat, from most reviews i've seen it has about the same amount of give as the playseat challenge, do you think it would be okay to use with the dd until i can upgrade to a solid cockpit?
I started with a playseat with a logitech g29. Budget I know but needed to try using wheel. Playseat really good apart from constantly lifting up whole wheel to exit or enter . But when sat in position and wheel locked in it was solid . Very noisy exiting or entering. Lots of noise from sraps and velcro . But for money a great start to sim racing . Fortunately I've now upgraded to a omega prime rig but it was Playseat that I first tried that gave me the will to upgrade . Still waiting for fanatec to restock grrr. Honestly if you want to try low budget seat using wheel and pedal to see if you want to try it. Then this was great product . 1 last thing I'm 6.5 tall . Yeah pedals can move away far enough for me to get good position . But because wheel can't lower or higher I felt a tad crampt
Forgot to mention , when your finished racing, the whole thing can actually fold down . Without un bolting or undoing either wheel stand or pedal stand . It fold down to quiete a small space . That can either be stood up straight or layed down . Over all this intro seat is pretty cool
There's a kit on Ebay if you look up playseat challenge, a guy from Korea 3d prints 3 super sturdy reinforcement brackets to help its movement. I'm putting my Challenge X together right now and have them for it but I wont have tried it without them. I'm not sure they would affect front to back falling forward though.
With that said, I can't figure out how you got 3 screws to mount. Maybe the non-X has a different bracket (id be surprised). I can only get 2 holes to line up. The 4 screws i need to use where the rotating bracket is are off center from one another.. so i can only get 2 lined up. Also I'm short so I really wanted the wheel to be pushed all the way forward. Instead we have to put it almost all the way back. Maybe it wont matter when I get going..
I'll probably just got with the 5 at first, still a huge upgrade on the G920 and it'll be even easier on the playseat. Although, given I'm usually in VR, the thing wobbling a little is actually pro-immersion :D
I agree! I like the slight flex for immersion reasons as I feel it lends to feeling the tires' sidewall deformation better.
Hi Karl, just a question. I just received the playseat challenge and still waiting for the Csl DD. I don't want to turn the base around to be able to fit the 3 bolts because I want the wheel closer to me. Is it possible to use the 2 long holes on either side of the challenge plate and make a custom L bracket to bolt the CSL? For the measurements, the holes are 180mm wide and the CSL is 165mm. Thanks for the great content!!
I haven't checked but it could well be mate yes!