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- What would you like to know about the CSL DD and CSL Pedals? Comment below and we’ll create a follow up article and video!
It’s finally here. The most hyped sim racing peripheral of all time - the Fanatec CSL DD wheel base and the CSL Pedals. Here’s our in-depth review, that also includes the CSL Pedals Tuning Kit and CSL DD Desk Clamp, to see if it lives up to its billing.
We test it out against the DD1 with a CSL Elite Steering Wheel McLaren GT3 atop a SimPlexity V12. Oh, and on a desk.
Does a cut-price direct drive system still feel responsive? Will it wipe out its competitors? What on earth is the Tuning Kit? Will it change the wheel market forever? You’ll have to watch to find out.
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Just to clarify, I'm not saying that I'd prefer Philips head screws over Torx screws for the pedal assembly, I'm saying the little tool that comes with them isn't great.
Just suggested Philips as most people have a Philips head screwdriver to hand, not so much a Torx one.
Sorry if the way I worded it in the video threw some of you off! 😅
- Rich
Mkmm
They would have a torx to hand CAUSE THEY GET ONE IN THE PACKAGING!!! No I get that but wtf. Torx is like a quadrillion times better than Philips in every way like it being literally indestructible
@@topihintikka9805 yeah here in the US I don’t know anyone without a torx set. Everything should use torx especially premium products
Having a stripped philips screw on your new rig would be gut wrenching
A Torx cost $2 at your local hardware store, but yes included in the package would be best. Torx can handle way more torque than a philips screwhead, just one reason to go Torx. If you look at your car, you will see torx everywhere :)
There's a lot of errors in this review...
*No CSL wheels available? WRC and Mclaren GT3 V2
*Yellow light for Xbox mode? No, that's CSW2.5 Compatibility Mode
*It can be mounted on the same base plate (from bottom) as a DD1/2
*There's no such thing as a "PS compatible Fanatec rim". Compatibility for Playstation comes from the base.
*The CSL Elite pedals aren't the CSL Pedals "big brother". They're discontinued.
*CSL DD1?
I'd also argue that Torx is far superior to Philips Head.
Just saved me 14 minutes of time from another reviewer that doesn't even know the basics. Thanks Epic Car Stuff.
The csl elite PEDALS are not discontinued the wheelbases are (just saying)
@@sch3me505 they’re just selling through existing stock. Not making them anymore.
@@Epiccarstuff o ok sorry I probably came across as a Karen there 😂😂
*Sees table wobbling*
Me: Hey that's free immersive vibrations!
i have a cockpit that wobbles a lot, and i always think at the same thing 😂
Fanatec just dunked on the entire sub-$1000 market.
I truly have heard it all. Someone preferring phillips heads to torx. Insane.
I'm not sure that's exactly what's being said, sounds like you need your own torx screwdriver. That allen key looks like what you get with IKEA furniture, which are good for about one use. I'm guessing if you've gone through buying an 8020 rig you've probably got a decent toolbox
@@130Racing as someone who constantly has tool in his hands, Phillips is far and beyond the best type of screw out of any screw, that is assuming you are using a quality screw driver and quality screw.
@@xkimopye You can get more torque on a torx bit without camming out of it like a phillips head. When you do cam out of a phillips head, it also strips the screw and makes it impossible to get out. Then you have to drill it out carefully and find a replacement. Torx is better, especially with the forces expected to be placed on the screw with your feet. I would suck it up and use the included bit if I didn't own a screwdriver bit version. Simply for the sake of higher torque on the screw and overall reliability.
@@GROGU123 i use a high quality Phillips head, that you can’t buy at a general hardware store, and each time I get one it lasts me at least 2 years with real heavy use. Pair it with high quality screws and stripping the screw is impossible, the screw will snap with enough force before it strips.
Phillips head allows you to use different size heads. my one Phillips head can suit both very tiny and quite large screws, I only need the one size bit , torx forces you to change your bit for every different size screw which is incredibly annoying in my occupation where screws come in many sizes.
My torx screw set is pretty stripped with minimal use.
@@xkimopye But you contradict yourself because you expect people to have a high quality screwdriver, but not a screwdriver with a torx bit set which is far more common? if you engineer something correctly, you can use the same bit for most of the parts.
just bought it, because of this video. arriving tomorrow and i'm so hyped, thank you very much
This is a very high-quality detailed video. Watched tonnes of others regarding the same and you've summarised neatly. Great job! (might be getting 2 of these for my basement man-cave)
Glad it was helpful!
Time to say goodbye to my good boy G25
2006 - 2022 🌹
You served me well
R.I.P. G25 🙏
Bought it yesterday, cant wait. Great vid
Waiting for a complete kit based on that wheelbase for PS4/5. The CSL Elite base (which was a bit higher in terms of pricing) is not available anymore. The only option available now is the Podium Racing Wheel F1 which costs 1800€ (without pedals!).
Thank you for the great and informative review.
Glad it was helpful!
Sick intro and overall content
THAT is a fantastic video.
I guess the biggest question is. If you have a fanatec 2.5 , is it worth it ? Even with the 8nm power supply. I think the 2.5 is the closest base under the DD 1 -2 . So what do you think ? Thanks :)
Pretty amazing considering they got a ready to race package now with CSL DD Base P1 Wheel and Base Pedals for 399€
Red for PC, yellow for compatibility mode (older games, base recognised as a CSW), and green for Xbox... Also, the bigger brother to the CSL elite pedals are the Clubsport V3’s. You’ve just shown the old CSL Elites. And as someone else said, it’s €349. Nice presentation and all but you need to get your info correct if wanting to grow your channel. Edit - sorry, didn’t mean for that to sound so dickish, just some friendly advice.
Good stuff. Did the metal Quick Release feel securely attached as people have been saying the plastic one is more secure on the DD?
Hey! Honestly we had no issues with it, Required a bit of a push or pull to get the various rims on or off, but it was completely secure throughout.
- John
The general opinions I’ve heard are that both of them flex, the metal ones flex on the motor shaft, and the plastic ones flex in the QR/wheelrim itself.
Are you referring to the plastic ones on the McLaren Rim? They are crap and nobody should use them. I have found on multiple wheels that they are actually even crooked, so the wheel will not be in a perfect 90 degree angle from the base.
Nice video. I didn't feel the torx alan key annoying on mine cause i work on bikes, and i have plenty of tools lying around. I did find the lack of screws a bit disappointing, given that 75% of people who buy this want to mount it to something
The problem with T-Nut systems is that the length of the screws is quite critical. Too short and you won't have enough engagement in the thread (maybe even damaging the thread when tightened), too long and they press against the bottom of the T-Slot without the screw head touching the mounting surface. And as the thickness of mounting surfaces varies widely, there is no one length that fits every situation.
@panicpetes7676 it’s big hardware pushing there washers!
Will this mount to the F-GT Dual Position Simulator Stand?
I love everything about this aside from release date in Europe. I tried to order it now but got bamboozled. Damn it, I blame Night Kids.
Can I mount that Wheelbase on the GT Omega Art Simulator Cockpit ?
Is the csl dd fixed to the Fanatec Podium mounting brackets??
Great vid dude 👌
Why hate on torx? Torx is brilliant and the whole assembly industry is switching to it. Torx is stronger than hex or PH/PZ and are there really people without torx screwdrivers?
Agreed, Torx is very good and strong.
What's the length of the included USB cable?
I need advice please guys should i go for the Fanatec CSL DD 5nm without loadcell pedals, Thrustmaster T300 ferrari 599x evo edition, or Thrustmaster T248? Thanks I will read all responses. I have never owned a wheel and im super into racing games. My budget is about £400/$500/€460
What is that clamp thing you have it with the other reviewer keeping the base in between ?
It's actually part of the SimPlexity V12 Cockpit we were using to test the wheel. Here is our review for that: th-cam.com/video/sTcATd_YeWY/w-d-xo.html
Awesome review bro. Keeping it real. Straight talk. I like
Is there the follow up video?
Nice spare graphics card in the back, could use one of those in these tough times
There is a reason it’s a prop and not in a machine… 😅
Is it possible to install it on a playseat challenge ??
Good video, but i have a small rant towards Fanatec (Not you)
I think the boost kit is a massive money grab... I've already seen images on reddit that the power supply specs are exactly the same as the CSL Elite and CSW 2.5 power supply units, just a different plug at the end. The voltage/ampere etc is all exactly the same, all the numbers are the same.
It's obvious what they're doing, purposly making the 5NM cheaper but weaker, so eventually people will upgrade to the €150 "boost kit", or "overpriced power supply unit". I wouldn't be suprised if someone can make an aftermarket "Boost kit" for €40 euro's or less.
Actually the wheelbase pricing at the 8nm level is really fair and very reasonable from a DD wheelbase overall market standpoint.
The 5nm unit is just underpriced to open up a new budget market for the Fanatec eco system using the DD wheelbase as its loss leader.
Not much different than the grocery store pricing eggs or milk at or below cost level to get you in the store where they then make their money on the other items you purchase.
People should be thankful that Fanatec has opened up the DD market at such reasonable price points rather than whining what they are charging for the difference in the two products and how they obtain those differences.
If the 5nm option had of not been offered at all people would still be talking about what a deal the 8nm was at under $500. A company gives you a good product at a reasonable price point and many still have to whine about it!
@@billwiley7216 That is true, but the wheels rims are still super overpriced and the total price will easily be €800/1K. It sucks that they don't have a bundle like the CSL Elite had for years. Atm you easily spend 800+ euro's with shipping....
CSL Elite with pedals and a rim was 699 sometimes even 599 as a bundle. I actually really wanted the CSL Elite bundle but it wasn't available for months and then they just removed it. And i've already heard reviews saying the 5NM CSl DD actually feels weaker than the CSL Elite. It might have more detail but people are saying the CSl Elite feels stronger in FFB compared to the 5NM CSL DD.
I have the CSL Elite wheel base. is it viable to upgrade from the CSL Elite to the CSL DD?
From our experience, it's much better than the CSL Elite, it's the step closer to the more expensive and stronger DD's
@@TraxionGG hmm yes. I just wonder if I do myself a disservice by jumping on buying a CSL DD if there is a clubsport version coming out filling the gap between CSL DD and the DD1/DD2? is there any indication of such a product inbetween CSL DD and DD1 from Fanatec?
Just a little over 2 months till I can get my GT DD Pro!!! Next step after that: build a rig.
Which screws do I need to order to mount it? :)
just check the website. it's all there. fanatec.com/media/pdf/ca/d7/fc/CSL-DD_Hard-Mount-Planner_01.pdf
Mount with an M6 bolt and washer.
The supplied T-Nuts are M6 and you need 10mm of thread left after inserting them into your wheel deck, so total length of the screws should be thickness of your wheel deck + 10mm. See also the drilling template in the downloads section of the CSL DD: fanatec.com/media/pdf/ca/d7/fc/CSL-DD_Hard-Mount-Planner_01.pdf
@@jimbo121 Thanks :)
not sure if you'll see this but i have a question.
Will a "PS compatible" wheel still allow this to work with an xbox or do you need an xbox compatible wheel? Im asking becasue the PS wheels are signigcantly cheaper than the xbox wheels
Hi there, I'm fairly certain you will need an xbox wheel rim for it to work unfortunately as the rims themselves contain an xbox security chip that makes them compatible. You can read more info on the fanatec website, sorry it wasn't better news for you! - John
fanatec.com/us-en/platforms
Please compare this to Simagic Alpha
i have a clubsport v2.5. would it be worth upgrading or no?
I guess it depends if you are left wanting more. The clubsport v2.5 is a decent base but if you were wanting to upgrade, this would be a great 'budget' option. It will be smoother and quieter than the clubsport whilst providing cleaner and more detailed force feedback, but without the boost kit it will probably be similar in terms of power and weight. However, the boost kit can be purchased if you want that extra little kick that brings it close to the bigger, more expensive direct drive alternatives. Hope this helps! - John
Is there an available load cell pedal to swap in for the brake pedal?
Yes on their website
Do you have any news about the load cell kit?
No info yet!
They're gonna wait for all the waves i think... maybe another marketing thing to get more people to buy the loadcell kits.
If you’re considering the CSL pedals with loadcell kit. Go ahead and add $100 worth of mods to your budget. They are worth it and you will eventually get them. Go ahead and account for it.
Do you need the metal QR or is the lite (plastic) one OK?
Plastic one works fine for us
@@TraxionGG replying on a 2year old video. Amazing stuff!! Love your content! Thank you so much!
So basically the cons in this video only really apply if you own a DD1/2 or other DD options that have stronger output? coming from a belt driven wheel this should blow my current TX out the water
Essentially, this is correct! Scary times for mid range competitors....
As an Audi Tech, I love torx! It is used on everything. Much much better than Philips.
Still mind blown for price? Thanks
Hate to be that guy but at 7:16 the steering sensitivity is clearly incorrect between the wheel and game.
Time to sell one of the kids
Lmao 😂
This is a great move by FANATEC and will shake up the market. I have seen nothing but good to awesome feedback about the CSL DD. Everyone just about says the same thing and wonders how the blazes FANATEC have managed this for the price, me included......and this is where my cynical voice kicks in. When and how are we going to, really, pay for this down the line? Just a thought! Maybe my cynicism getting the better of me??
It's not "budget" Most ppl that go to a DD come from a logitech G29. So that means you need pedals, wheel, new chair (depends current setup)
Alpha mini
power is not everything, most important thing is support in games and the software. From what I've seen Simagic coming from China is not the best with that. Plus their wheels are just generic and tacky looking, can't explain it. Also don't be surprised if the company dissappears after a few years and you'll be left with no support.
Warning!
All these TH-cam videos are great and interesting. The one thing they don’t do is inform you what their products are like to live with over a period of time.
If you wish to have a happy and content life please take my advise and look at the FANATEC’s own Forum in regards to all the issues they have and their terrible customer service.
I have one word to the question should you purchase FANATEC products? DONT.
I would have had the same amount of problems with a real race car..
On a lighter note Im very grateful FANATEC do not build motor vehicles.
if they ever ship you stuff !
Its 350 Euros not Pounds.
Plus 20% VAT = 420 Euros. Which is about £360
@@JamKart It's 350 euro incl. VAT.
This video had 666 likes. I was sorry to press the like button, but I had to.
Haha, do it!!
Me over here just waiting for tax season. Hopefully the PS version comes by then.
If you order one make sure you have a £34 cheque ready to pay the post man are you ain’t getting it.
Fanatec has some serious issues with their firmware updates. The latest one crash my computer, which subsequently bricked my base. The base won’t even turn on now. If I did not do the update, the wheel would be fine. Fanatec has told me that because I bought the wheel through a third party they will not honor the warranty. Pretty lame considering I couldn’t get a CSL DD for about a year any other way. I will be upgrading due to this, but it definitely won’t be a fanatec product. Awful experience , and there are many other better products out there. Stay away
it doesnt cost 349€ its 349€ plus tax and shipping. With the cheapest rim, the real powersupply, tax and shipping its 714€... it kind of ticks me off that all the reviews thinks that noone pays VAT
I don't think so, if you go to buy the base , you are charged less than 349, with tax added upon delivery
MIND = BLOWN ?? I think it is more like POCKET BLOWN AWAY.
Simmagic Alpha Mini is more expensive at first sight but... after some time you will find out it is cheaper in fact.
Reject to go into the Failtec Trap.
Phillips head? Get a Grip dude...
“You can’t use a screwdriver you alredy own...” wtf?? who do not own torque bits.. were dose this guy live?
Heard it wasn't compatible for PlayStation stopped watching.
balding boys