There's none on my exterior garage door and the threshold is just sitting in there. Its a concrete ledge but rain runs down the door and gets in the garage this way. Looks like the door would have to be removed to install a sill pan. Concrete isn't going to rot but the bottom of the jack studs for the header will. I'll put some flashing tape around the jamb and caulk the threshold for now; eventually I will have to tackle this job with a new door. Its on my wishlist.
nice job......would you use a metal pan over a cement sill??? I have an install at a house with a cement sill. it is 6 feet long and 5 inches wide. It goes from 1/4 inch to 1 1/2 inches left to right...in other words, it was built to level the door because area had a slight grade to it......I am putting in an all vinyl slider from Pella. Not sure what to put on the sill first.
$27 at Lowes for a 40" I bought two for garage. Even though the dining room to garage doesn't get any water the other one going outside does so it's good practice to do both.
Now pan flashings are a minimum code requirement. The 2012 International Residential Code (IRC) R703. 8 Flashing section goes further than the '09 code and is pretty specific: “… pan flashing shall be installed at the sill of exterior window and door openings.
Why wouldn’t you put the ends over the top of the middle piece so that any water that potentially hits that joint, it doesn’t get under the overlap? Or do you think that is not necessary
How much harder is it to do this to an existing exterior door? It wasn’t done correctly the first time and lots of water soaks the carpet every time it rains hard. Thank you for your time.
I have a concrete slab foundation that is 2" above the concrete patio do you still recommend a sill pan for this sliding door application over a slab and how come places like home depot dont stock these sill pans
It certainly couldn't hurt...It's still going to help kick any moisture out away from the studs and finish flooring. As for why big box stores chose not to carry them, I don't know for sure but I can only assume that it has to do with what sells. They aren't going to take up room on a shelf for something that most homeowners don't even know about. Bravo for those who care enough to search them out!
Using PVC or CPVC glue won't give it a water tight seal. The glue causes a chemical reaction to the pvc/cpvc pipe and melts kinda melts it to give a good seal.
Who do you recommend to professionally do this? When I contact window or door companies, none of them do this. What kind of trade should I look up to find someone capable of doing this?
Most installation instructions I've seen say to place caulk under the (sliding glass) door. It seems caulk would prevent the plastic sill pan from draining. Do you recommend no caulk under the door?
Jeffrey R. McVannel I normally run a bead of silicone along the inside leg of the pan. It air seals that edge without getting in the way of moisture draining out.
Don't use caulk, use construction adhesive, like PL. Some use an overlapping sine wave pattern with breaks that allow water to drain. Lot of different ways to do this.
Billy Snow Yes it adds a second layer of protection. Whatever you want to add helps, but don't get too fancy and don't add any holes by mechanically fastening it!
There are no fasteners added that go through the flashing pan. The bottom track of the door is one continous piece of aluminum and is held in place by fastening into the studs on both sides.
My husband & I are installing a new front door in a couple weeks. I ordered a 6-9/16” sill pan through Home Depot. I based it off of the depth of the jamb, but I’m having doubts if that’s the right size, or if I need something smaller. I’ve Googled & TH-camd, but no one mentions depth size. Any idea?
The jamb size is based on your wall size. If your walls are 2x4 construction then you'll need the 4-9/16th" jambed door and sill pan. If your walls are 2x6 then you'll need the 6-9/16th" ones. Just measure the jamb of your existing door and get the same. Good luck!
Brian You have to check out SillDry.com It will save you a lot time and money, deliver a consistent detail, delivers every detail needed to properly control water that passes through doors and windows, and works with ALL window and door sizes due to Smart Accordion Technology. Let us know what you think!
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Well done!
Thanks for posting a very informative video!
Great vid, to the point and clear!
Nice work.
Now if we could just get Lowe's and Home Depot to stock them, instead of making them online-only purchases!
There's none on my exterior garage door and the threshold is just sitting in there. Its a concrete ledge but rain runs down the door and gets in the garage this way. Looks like the door would have to be removed to install a sill pan. Concrete isn't going to rot but the bottom of the jack studs for the header will. I'll put some flashing tape around the jamb and caulk the threshold for now; eventually I will have to tackle this job with a new door. Its on my wishlist.
Dayyymm, you have some longass arms, buddy.
nice job......would you use a metal pan over a cement sill??? I have an install at a house with a cement sill. it is 6 feet long and 5 inches wide. It goes from 1/4 inch to 1 1/2 inches left to right...in other words, it was built to level the door because area had a slight grade to it......I am putting in an all vinyl slider from Pella. Not sure what to put on the sill first.
$27 at Lowes for a 40" I bought two for garage. Even though the dining room to garage doesn't get any water the other one going outside does so it's good practice to do both.
Now pan flashings are a minimum code requirement. The 2012 International Residential Code (IRC) R703. 8 Flashing section goes further than the '09 code and is pretty specific: “… pan flashing shall be installed at the sill of exterior window and door openings.
The 2 ends should be on top of the centre piece to create a mechanical flashing
Does this pan have to be installed before the frame goes in or can it be done after the fact?
Why wouldn’t you put the ends over the top of the middle piece so that any water that potentially hits that joint, it doesn’t get under the overlap? Or do you think that is not necessary
How much harder is it to do this to an existing exterior door? It wasn’t done correctly the first time and lots of water soaks the carpet every time it rains hard. Thank you for your time.
I have a concrete slab foundation that is 2" above the concrete patio
do you still recommend a sill pan for this sliding door application over a slab and how come places like home depot dont stock these sill pans
It certainly couldn't hurt...It's still going to help kick any moisture out away from the studs and finish flooring.
As for why big box stores chose not to carry them, I don't know for sure but I can only assume that it has to do with what sells. They aren't going to take up room on a shelf for something that most homeowners don't even know about. Bravo for those who care enough to search them out!
What do you suggest for facial board under the slider???
Video is excellent 👍
Using PVC or CPVC glue won't give it a water tight seal. The glue causes a chemical reaction to the pvc/cpvc pipe and melts kinda melts it to give a good seal.
Who do you recommend to professionally do this? When I contact window or door companies, none of them do this. What kind of trade should I look up to find someone capable of doing this?
Did you ever find someone?
I noticed you didn't caulk under the sill pan. I've seen many do that. Is that not required?
Caulk or low expansion foam are applied at the inside edge of the pan to air seal.
Most installation instructions I've seen say to place caulk under the (sliding glass) door. It seems caulk would prevent the plastic sill pan from draining. Do you recommend no caulk under the door?
Jeffrey R. McVannel
I normally run a bead of silicone along the inside leg of the pan. It air seals that edge without getting in the way of moisture draining out.
Caulk is placed along the inside leg of the sill pan to air seal against there inside of the door but still let the pan drain.
Don't use caulk, use construction adhesive, like PL. Some use an overlapping sine wave pattern with breaks that allow water to drain. Lot of different ways to do this.
Where are you located and how can I hire you? Great work!
What about the kick plate that goes on the under the exterior sill… isn’t water is now directed behind that… how would you flash the kick plate?
Exactly the question I am looking to have answered - I have just put in French doors with a similar sill pan and have no idea what to do for drainage
QUESTION: is the flashing under the sill pan extra protection. you can counter sync another flashing to the sill, right
Billy Snow
Yes it adds a second layer of protection. Whatever you want to add helps, but don't get too fancy and don't add any holes by mechanically fastening it!
Brian Drumm Your gonna add holes when you screw that threshold down?? How do you treat that ?
There are no fasteners added that go through the flashing pan. The bottom track of the door is one continous piece of aluminum and is held in place by fastening into the studs on both sides.
Thanks for the video; I'd like to have our contractor do this. Would you please share the name of the sill pan and manufacturer that you used? Thanks!
Did you find out the name of the sill pan and manufacture?
It's almost definitely a Jamsill. Lowes has it. Home Depot has Suresill which looks nicer 🤷♂️
Great video, Question: what camera are you using? Really nice POV
A GoPro Sesson with a chest mount was used to film, thanks!
So if you had an out of level surface would you shim under the sill pan or shim under the door threshold?
You would want to level your rough opening.
At 3:28 because of the added height of the Gacie Flash your plastic sill pan is now angled so water will run into the house, not out of the house. No?
John Perricone there is a slight slope built into the plastic pan itself so it’s enough to overcome the thin layer of flashing.
Could you simply use quad or silicone to join the pan together?
It is not recommended by the manufacturer.
Is the grace vycor flashing tape 4 inch or 6 inch?
Cathy Wong
6 inch
Your shadow is in your way
I know TH-cam can be discouraging. I would love it if you just picked back up! I think you could actually make it.
Just like New York.
My husband & I are installing a new front door in a couple weeks. I ordered a 6-9/16” sill pan through Home Depot. I based it off of the depth of the jamb, but I’m having doubts if that’s the right size, or if I need something smaller. I’ve Googled & TH-camd, but no one mentions depth size. Any idea?
The jamb size is based on your wall size. If your walls are 2x4 construction then you'll need the 4-9/16th" jambed door and sill pan. If your walls are 2x6 then you'll need the 6-9/16th" ones. Just measure the jamb of your existing door and get the same. Good luck!
Sku11Leader THANK YOU!
No nailing the sill pan down?
Sorry, saw it after my comment.
Brian You have to check out SillDry.com It will save you a lot time and money, deliver a consistent detail, delivers every detail needed to properly control water that passes through doors and windows, and works with ALL window and door sizes due to Smart Accordion Technology. Let us know what you think!
Camera angle disorientating.