George Lucas On Star Wars Criticism, Marvel X-Men and Vision Series Updates - THE GEEK BUDDIES
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 มิ.ย. 2024
- On this episode of THE GEEK BUDDIES, John Rocha, Michael Vogel and Shannon McClung talk GEORGE LUCAS's comments on Star Wars criticism, Marvel taps Michael Lesslie to write X-Men movie and green lights a VISION series from Terry Matalas. They also talk the new trailers for BEETLEJUICE BEETLEJUICE, BEVERLY HILLS COP 4, and BRATS and talk Holly Hunter and Simon Kinberg joining the Star Trek universe!
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Chapters:
0:00 Intro and Rundown
3:32 GEORGE LUCAS Addresses Star Wars Criticism
18:30 Beetlejuice 2, Beverly Hills Cop4 and Brats Trailers Talk
39:40 Holly Hunter and Simon Kinberg Boarding Star Trek Univers
54:14 Marvel Updates - Vision Series, X-men Writer, Deadpool and Wolverine
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I fully understand what you mean John, but I do push back on the early movies like Harlem Night an Boomerang. Growing up as a teenager in Brooklyn as a black kid, it's a cultural difference. You an the Geek Buddies may say those movies were meh, but to me an I'm sure others found those movies as one of his best. But I love all the Geek Buddies takes regardless. Love you guys!!
Yea Harlem Nights was loved early culturally. In fact for years you'd a legit debate about whether it was loved more than Coming to America. Boomerang eventually became well loved too despite some of its flaws.
The show's running a little long?? Never enough Geek Buddies~ I want like a 3hr show with a segment called Rocha's Ravings where, like Shannon's trailers segment, Rocha picks one topic to let us know what is grinding his gears this week. Spicy Rocha is best Rocha!
Me too I can never get enough of Geek Buddies.
Maybe it’s a cultural thing but after Coming to America, Harlem Nights and Boomerang are regarded as some of Eddie’s greatest movies in the black community. 🤷🏾♂️😂
WHAT?! Really??
Not black, but I also count 'Harlem Nights' and 'Boomerang' as two of Eddie's best movies. Even amidst 'Beverly Hills Cop', '48 Hours', 'Trading Places', 'Coming to America', 'The Nutty Professor', and even 'Shrek', I think 'Harlem Nights' is my fave Eddie movie.
@@JohnRochaSaysYes they are! Deal with it bro!
@@JohnRochaSayshell yeah and the fact you mentioned bowfinger is crazy cuz thas his least known movie in the black community for him lol
As long as it's not "The Golden Child" lol
Man, I love you guys. The Geek Buddies, Geek Bytes, Hot Mic and Cine Files just makes my days. Keep it going!!
I’ve always loved all three of the prequels, the performances and direction get a bad rap imho.
The love story was perfect, yes, even that “I don’t like sand…” moment.
Out of any film in history, the prequels did not deserve that kind of backlash.
Love Jake Lloyd; love Hayden and Natalie’s chemistry; love, love kick ass Yoda and the special effects (including the cgi) and everything that went into making these films.
Respect that, brother. Obviously I don’t agree, BUT I respect that you and many others love those movies.
Thanks :)
I may not agree but bless your heart, speak your truth. Don't take any poojoo from anyone
@@thecriticandtheuncle5784it so strange from my side of the aisle.
I’m completely open to any opinion when it comes to art but the hate still baffles me in a way.
It is not controversial to me to say that the prequels are great films, and not just great kids films but legitimately well made films.
The way some people see TLOTR (which I love too obviously) I also see in the prequels; these three films have a great reputation to me.
While it is true that the prequels have stylized acting and directing, it’s no different really than the originals in that regard.
These films aren’t dumb by any stretch of the imagination and the level of thought Lucas gave them is staggering.
Lucas really did have a great artistic vision for his six films imho.
@@joeljensen7392 Lucas's vision is his strongest attribute. Storytelling is right there as well. Outside of sfx, his technical skills leave something to be desired.
Favorite show of the week!
Whoa as a Star Trek fan, I’ve always wanted to see what Starfleet Academy is like - so I LOVE the idea of this show! I hope it’s a shining example for kids to celebrate excellence in academic endeavors and inspire more kids to get into STEM!
So, a coolstorybro incoming from an internet stranger... I haven't actually had the chance to watch it, but I hear Star Trek Prodigy is supposedly very much in this mold? Of course, that got cancelled, too, but at least they are releasing s2 of it when, originally, they were going to bury it even though it was completely finished.
Hey Mike id love to see you do a geek byte or video on the Eisner award nominations that just came out! Also we need ur guys Apes & Furiosa review!
With apologies to the Outlaw, I have contributed to the Deadpool and Wolverine billion dollars. This will be the first movie I will go see in theater since covid shut things down.
What an opening greeting guys! Bring it on!!!!!!♨♨♨
Starfleet Academy is AFTER Star Trek: Discovery's final season, which is nearly over. Starfleet Academy has just reopened after the previous season of the show.
Harlem Nights was a classic!
Yassssss finally my dudes!! Let's GET GEEEEEEEEEEKY!!
Holy shit!!! Enterprise Incidents is coming back for STIII!? Omfg, bury the goddamn lead, why don't you, Rocha!? That is going to be so awesome.
I want the timeline with Judd Hirsch in the Brat Pack. 🤣🤣🤣
I will give George Lucas credit for this when it comes to the PREQUELS,
He did all the work.
Can't say that for the OT!
Re Simon Kinberg doing Star Trek - he can produce, but I hope Terry Matalas is involved in some way (when he’s not doing the Vision series). I do NOT want another Dark Phoenix debacle
Harlem nights is actually a classic in comedy cinema, it's one of Eddie's best, including a stellar cast of black comedians, a lot of which aren't with us anymore.
Oh boy, Rocha, you're going to have Kristian leaving a comment about how it's $750m, not $1bn!! Any moment now 😅
I saw garfeild today
I disagree with critics so hard it’s not that bad it’s cute little Hiest movie
Since Shannon isn't a Trek fan he has an excuse for not knowing a show set in the 32nd century isn't going back, but is indeed the furthest into the future the franchise has gone (starting with Discovery). But Rocha and Mike not catching that the old shows were primarily in the 23rd/24th centuries? How dare you, sirs, how dare you!!!! 😂
What? Holly Hunter was in Succession? Darn. Now I have to watch it.
There was a needle scratch when Shannon went, "Which one is Sy Snootles?" and thought it was the name of the Twi'lek dancer and all the GB fans' jaws hit the floor. I think Shannon may have had his Drake moment where all his cred just flew out the window... 😂
Don't worry, Shannon, I still love you, man~ 😄
Hahahahahaha
I like where they're going with Starfleet Academy for all the reasons stated on the show, AND for the likelihood Tilly will reprise her role as one of the instructors there after Discovery ends. I overall really like Discovery, despite some stuffy moments here and there, so it is a way to continue what was started there without the same intensity or divisiveness that lingered from its first season, and maybe a lot of its characters will frequently guest star as ships continue to defend the rebuilding Federation, possibly pulling cadets into situations outside of safe learning circles and simulations.
As for Kinberg on the movie side, all I hope is that they start out with a plan of where 3 or more movies would take the franchise, but tell a 1st movie that has its own definitive conclusions. I do not want them making the same mistakes of the Star Wars sequels by not knowing what they'd want to do in 8 and 9 when they penned 7. Plot for a grear solo movie, but have a plan for the continuation of the franchise since we all know that's what they want: multiple films.
Great show
Brats look really intriguing .
Michael, you went down a documentary bender... about Judd Nelson's Bender...? Eeeyyyyyy~ 👈👈😜
Shannon is my pun Jedi Master 🙇♂🙏
For me there are only two GREAT Eddie Murphy films: 48Hrs and Trading Places.
"The Power of Film" on max is great!
I LOVED it. Like watching a little mini master class.
Very interested in Star Trek Academy 😃
#LucasIsRight
Make sure you have room on the card for that steak dinner big fella. 😁😁😁😁😁
Its easy to forget that when A New hope came out in 1977, the US was 80% non hispanic-white, so the US was a lot less diverse then today, especially when comparing the Asian and latino populaiton. Also they shot a lot of the star was shot in the UK, which was 96% white at that time, so a lot of the supporting and background actors would have been white too.
With what Vogel was saying about the movies, I think Enterprise tv series was meant to be that post-first contact, humanity trying to find its place in the universe show? I think the tricky thing is that Trek has always been better as a tv show and only when they've established a foundation as a tv series do the movies even have a chance at working and, even then, the TNG movies were easily a step or two down from the TOS movies even if I consider TNG and TOS to be on equal footing as tv shows.
Da Boyz
I think the SF Academy is maybe set in the Discovery timeline of the 32nd century where
*spoilers*
something happens with the Federation and the Academy is rebuilding Starfleet's depleted core. I find it ironic that they're kinda taking the same angle as the Star Wars universe where the Jedi are depleted and Rey or Luke or whomever is going to go about rebuilding the Jedi, except, in this case, it's Starfleet.
Starfleet Academy has the potential to be really good. It also has the potential to be Starfleet 90210. We shall see.
32nd Century places the Academy show contemporary with Discovery.
Of course Michael catches it right after I post. LOL
What about the very quiet rumours about The Batman & speculation of Gunn's interference in keeping a British actor in the lead role? Pattinson cannot have an aversion to the gym if he wants to secure the role. That would be laying up an easy excuse for a recasting.
I haven’t heard of this! Interesting.
I thought Star Trek Acadamy was leading right after Discovery.
I think that’s correct
The Twi'lek dancer in Jabba's palace is Oola. And other Glup Shittos...
She dances in my room now.
The reason the Brat pack and the John Huges movies in general were predominantly white were due to the movies taking place in the Northern Chicago suburbs , where he grew up. Even today the area is majoriry, white, and was even more so back in the 80s. Just as one would expect a movie set in the South Side of Chiacgo to be predominantly black in the 80s too. Fortunately, the segregation of US cities is slowly changing but it is only a recent change.
Michael pointing out how kinda silly it is that there are records for, on a Tuesday in June, when there aren't any movies with a budget over $100m, this movie is setting records for... is the movie equivalent of, in sports, this NFL QB has never lost against an NFC East team in November when the temperatures are above 50F and he's single and hasn't eaten any candy that day... 🤣
Isn't it usually an Admiral that runs Starfleet Academy? Captain is odd.
Mon Mothma never had an action figure back in the 80s.
Kenner never made a Mon Mothma action figure. What on earth are these guys talking about?
Does Michael really not know who Oola is? Did Shannon really not know who Sy Snootles is? Mkay… and then proceed to pontificate about what George got wrong. Sure Jan.
Don’t tell them that GL wanted to make Han black but Fox pushed back against it.
Into the Darkness was as good, if not better than, its predecessor. IMO.
Kinberg has an up & down history. Hopefully Star Trek is catching him on the upswing.
When I watched Star Wars - A New Hope, I didn’t immediately think it’s an all white cast. George Lucas is right, everyone’s an alien and most people are in masks. We have the unmistakably black voice of Darth Vader at least. Could he have used a more diverse cast? maybe, but the most important thing is that we got fleshed out believable characters. Perhaps a black Director would have used a more black cast, that’s the way forward.
Funny, I thought the Beverly Hills cop trailer was a lot better than the recent Bad Boys trailers. It was funny and the action looked good.
"This is a very white man answer" is a phrase I need to pull out next time Jeff gets all uppity about diversity and whines why it can't just be all about 'the story'. 🤣
On the subject of George Lucas not only is he a successful old imperfect white guy but people need to keep in mind that not every comment or discussion with a reporter or publicist is a rehearsed and well reflected upon statement. People have a tendency to reduce everything to sound bites and be overly critical or analytical or what was said. It's not like he's sitting down for a 60-minute interview on the state of Star Wars and our culture, and I don't think George Lucas opinions speaks for everyone. It's really only a big deal because he's been so critically silent on the state of Star Wars other than his advocation for Bob Iger's continued management at Disney and that probably speaks more to his stock share price than anything. What he created became larger than life and now it's run by corporations and fans.
Fans love real woman heroes like Leia, Padme, Ahsoka...But we dont like watching a Mary Sue like Rey
Terry Matalas. Paramount's loss is Marvel's gain.
I was seventeen when STAR WARS opened iN 1977, the Black Community helped make that movie a success, without representation, we understood than they were trying to keep us out of the future, we see today they're trying to erase our past. HARLEM NiGHTS
BOOMERANG
COMING TO AMERICA (1988) are staples iN the black community.
... Black People, especially BlkKiDZ grow up on John Hughes MOViES, but we also grew up with BRADY BUNCH, Partridge Family, Family Ties, etc we were fine, it sounds like white people keep having to apologize for those days.😂
Lucas originally wanted to cast a black actor as Han Solo but received push back from the studio.
After pooping on Lucas, let’s see if the three of you call out John Hughes films for being racially problematic(and not just Sixteen Candles). Those films have not aged well because of that.
Well, we did, didn’t we? So where your follow up comment giving us credit for calling it out???
@@JohnRochaSaysYes, I type comments as I watch. The Breakfast Club featuring Molly Ringwald’s character being sexually harassed by Judd Nelson’s character for its duration and most of Hughes’ scripts feature a white character speaking “jive” for laughs or a cringey scene with the main characters interacting with scary black people in a Blues club. But sorry for my overreaction - I become instantly triggered by Lucas-bashing on YT film channels.
@@SoulStylistJukeBox But we weren't Lucas bashing. We were saying that we hoped he'd have given a better response. You know the toxicity on here won't get better until people find middle ground and not misrepresent things in the most dramatic way. We made all kinds of excuses for why Lucas cast the films the way he did and told the story he told. We also called him out for not giving at least some credence to the very valid criticisms. We were not bashing him.
How about you not take a science fantasy and brings today's overly political lens on it. He made a movie about a heroes journey. Which defined what a HERO was and moral character that transcends what colour your skin was. I'm an ethnic person and I idolised the characters. I didn't care what they looked like. I didn't care Vader was voiced by an African American man. He had a beautiful, powerful and commanding voice. You people seriously keep trying to go back to the past and make people apologise for nonsense that was never the intent in the first place. Your conversation and opinions are seriously what's wrong with this culture. We can't even enjoy the simplest things without this garbage.
Yep. Because George Lucas wasn’t being political with Star Wars from the beginning. 😂
You all are gonna need to be okay with people having conversations and exploring multiple sides of a situation or an issue or you’re never gonna survive in this world. Also, you can enjoy whatever you like. All three of us love the Original Trilogy and enjoy the hell out of it, but there’s nothing wrong with exploring some issues we might have with it looking back.
Analysts and fans have always done that since the dawn of entertainment and we’ve survived as a society. You will too, my guy. Best of luck.