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- What you might not know about the Christian music world. CCM to Southern Gospel...let's talk about what nobody is talking about.
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As a life long christian and very willing to open up about it, I've made a conscious choice to not be involved with the christian music. When you take serving the lord and make a job out of it it changes things. I just want a relationship with Jesus. I stopped touring because I didn't like the person I was and didn't feel I was following Gods plan for my life. God closed that door and moved me somewhere else.
That’s amazing. Good for you and glad you found your path.
Very good comment. A paycheck is a very powerful thing. Although playing worship music seems like it could solve a lot of problems for me, I'm extremely suspicious that it could cause much BIGGER problems...
I suppose that god will honor your honesty. Perhaps, in future, you will look back and see good things that happened because of your decision. I was in that world, and later, good things happened. All that "proves" is that luck is the intersection of preparation and opportunity. Good luck to you!
You can’t serve two masters, as the good book says. Money is tricky…
You're the kind of guy that I wish more churches were full of! Real and raw. 👍
I did a little ccm before it was called ccm in Nashville in the 90’s. I noticed that it was fraught with the same problems that the rest of Nashville had. Money b money and Folks b folks I reckon. But I do give thanks to God EVERYDAY for my Sunday morning gig. Great church, great people, great gig.
Love hearing that you have a good gig now. Thank you for watching.
I got my start in my dad's church, went on to play in a lot of clubs in the NY/NJ area back in the 90's, then back to CCM and worship and being an occasional opening act for big name CCM artists of the day. Currently working on my second studio album that has a lot of country rock vibes to it. Latest release was all original worship. Been a worship leader many times at many different churches over the years, but the freedom of being an indie artist is second to none. Since I have a regular job, I am not dependent on music for income, so I don't have to worry about answering to anyone. :) Win win. Great video, and man do I have some stories I could share, but I'll keep them vested for now. :)
Nice! Glad you found a path that’s working for you. Appreciate you watching
Theres nothing better than a christian living life by example that is the best church there is.
Spot on.
Thank you for taking the time and effort to share your experiences within the Christian music world. I appreciate your directness and honesty.
Appreciate you taking the time to watch the video!
I’ve been a Christian all my life, and this is accurate. There are wonderful, amazing people in the church and people I wouldn’t trust to take out my trash. But this is true of any group, organization, club, or gathering of people. The church is unfortunately not exempt from human nature. I appreciate that you cover both the good and the bad, rather than overemphasizing one or the other.
Spot on man. Find me one group of perfect people on this earth. The churches issue seems to be they put restrictions on human nature and you can’t put peoples natural inclinations into a compartment that restrictive. Now put musicians in the mix and it’s gets real colorful haha.
Appreciate you checking the video out and the comment.
Played drums for a charismatic church for a few years and man did I get some chops. 2-3 hour worship services, single songs that went for 30 minutes and blood on the snare drum. Never had another gig where I had to remember to bring band-aids! Also got slightly better at dancing heh
Love this! All you cats that come from that are powerhouses.
"charismatic"...nicely put.
@@RobertFairweatherLuvMachine “really energetic non-denominational“ seemed wordy.
I wrote a 23 page essay on the state of worship/ church music. I had a lot of ideas and thoughts regarding the subject, that no one seems to want to discuss
A great thing about playing in church is; you play for a sober audience and with sober musicians!! That's big. But you seldom get to stretch out on your instrument, that's part of it.
Yep, I played guitar about 2 years at a huge church. I was still gigging on Fridays and Saturdays so, sometimes it was ruff getting up in the mornings. I learned a lot about chords, more ambient sounds. It improved me as a guitarist. I saw my share of hypocrisy but, by and large is was a positive experience. When I left they were upset. I just said if the Lord owns the cattle on thousand hills surely he can afford to pay a professional guitar player better😂
Thank you for sharing that. I haven’t had to deal with the budgetary issues thankfully but I’ve heard it’s definitely a problem.
@@NickyVmost playing at church is a volunteer position. Normally only the worship leader or choir leader gets paid. I’ve played at several churches with one being very large. They had 3 campuses and only the 3 worship leaders were paid. I’ve never played for money. I am a Methodist and no one gives a crap about someone having some beers. I’ve had a beer with our Pastor. Methodists are open and realistic. All of this crap that you see with the Baptist and southern Baptist are hypocrites and try to shame other people for what they call sins. They need to read the Bible and stop judging others.
@bks252 lol, yep. That is why you always take 2 Baptist with you a on fishing trip. If you take 1 he will drink all of your beer. You take 2 you got all the beer to yourself.
@@UncleDanBand64hahahahah
@user-lt6wy1eb7q Try it, it works.
As Willie say; We all trying to get to the same place, every path is different
Amen to that.
Way to make me all sappy this morning, Hines. We sure do love you and the fresh approach you bring to SOGO music. You are the best thing Steve ever did. Love you big!
PS - Hallelujah ride the train 🔥
Blahahaha “Hallelujah Ride The Train” (2nd grade Nicky walking to principals office confused).
Love you Jess
I appreciate your honesty. Fairly new to the channel but will be watching more. I grew up playing around dirk, Kelly, Scott. Sure you know these guys. I can totally relate. Also toured on a country bus. Liked it much better than all my years in sg.
Thanks Chris! Appreciate you checking the channel out
Interesting. I was a traveling musician in the early seventies with a southern gospel group. We had plenty of diesel pushers on our tails. Holier than thou while in the venue then there’s the afterwards. It made me look at the business in a totally different way. And if you may ask? Commonplace.
Appreciate you checking the video out and sharing!
I love your honesty and I look forward to all your videos. YOU are one of my favorite people. Thanks for your time and just being so dang nice and easy to listen to. Have a great week.
You are too kind. Appreciate the really nice words and time watching the video.
I pray a hedge of protection and traveling mercies upon your love offering 😅😂
Thanks for talking about the good alongside the bad. I know a few people in the music world there in Nashville, and they’re all genuinely awesome people. But I’ve been involved in churches that had everything you’re talking about going on. It’s gross.
Haha love the Chritianese. Definitely good and bad in every community. Appreciate you checking the video out!
Thanks for the insight!
Love the channel, it's going to be huge.
You are very kind. Thank you for watching!
Your videos are always enlightening.
Thanks!🎸🎤👍
You are kind. Thanks for watching
Really enjoyed your video, Nicky! I played guitar in a praise worship band at a megachurch in the late 80's /early 90's. Man, what a cluster F that was! Since I left that experience I've probably set foot in church a grand total of maybe four times!🎶" I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints, the sinners have much more fun...only the good die young."🎶😋😋
I bet that was a cluster indeed. Appreciate you watching man
My experience was not good.
I played in churches where the musicians weren't experienced seasoned musicians at all. At one church, the worship leader changed about every 6 or so months.
I was the only experienced musician who had played in bands professionally in every worship scenario.
More often than not, the songs were in a key that the worship leaders couldn't comfortably sing in..
The drummers didn't even know what a metronome was, and i got shamed for mentioning they should learn to play in time and hold the tempo..
I dealt with guitar players who were jealous because i was always being given the spotlight.
I didn't ask for any of it, and it made me regret ever giving any testimony about how i was saved..
Because every time, they begged me to join and help because i needed to have a "servants heart"..
I met a lot of really wonderful people, but at the same time, I was tormented by all that i previously mentioned.
The both sides of the coin. Hard to win sometimes for sure. I think it all comes back to human nature trying to be confined to a set of rules that it naturally doesn’t want to fit into. Also, love the “servants heart” phrase…prime Christianese. Haha
@NickyV I agree, i don't hold any grudge or contempt toward them at all. I got to meet so many people who can walk and chew gum at the same time. So I'm not complaining. It was a souring experience, but it made me stronger in the end.
LOL - oops, I really shouldn't laugh, since this is painfully true. Most smaller churches have horrible music and horrible musicians. Most are probably volunteers. Nothing like trying to sit in a church and squirm at the off key singing, or mix mash of volunteer music helpers. I'm stuck now, small churches are nice since they can be more personal, but then they are often weird, full of weird folks (controlling, stuck in their routines). And then big churches become a show and they have their stuck routines too. Just can't win. I think in real Bible / Jesus world, it really isn't about music performance at all, c'mon - can I hear an 'amen' from someone? Seriously - life is about true worship to the Lord through living a holy life, not about getting on stage and giving someone chills and goose bumps by the way we work the crowd. Just saying...
A Hellion?...I doubt that. Your vibe is being laid back so that's why you're accepted so well. This was a great topic.
Raised plenty of hell lol but that’s probably relative. Appreciate your kind words and thanks for watching
Agreed.
I’m so glad of your experience/relationship with the Highway 96 crew. Fantastic people ❤️
Couldn’t ask for a better bunch right there.
Everyone needs to understand their standing with God through Jesus in His Grace by their Faith. Once that’s settled go enjoy Life in Peace.
Super interesting. I came across your channel this morning and have watched a lot of your videos today. As a session player and producer and Christian based in the UK I found it interesting. I don't play on 'Christian records' much per se, not because of any reason but I have more work elsewhere but hearing your perspective was interesting. I appreciate your honesty and kind heart you have for your community you have here on TH-cam
Simon this is very kind of you man. Really appreciate you checking the channel out.
I love your vids as a view into a world that I will never be in or have any other access to. Very enjoyable. I am a hobby musician and find your views and info helpful.
Thank you so much for the kind words. Means a lot and I’m so glad you enjoy it
Another Great Video Nicky! I did some studio work last year for a couple of Christian acts. Had a great time. The guys I worked with were pretty awesome. And yeah we had a few beers while recording :)
Haha love that!
Nothing wrong with having a few beers. Jesus doesn’t care. If you were drinking in excess, that’s a different story
@@bks252 Agreed :)
Jesus was a winemaker.
This is great content Nicky!
Much appreciated Brian. Thanks for watching man
I own Northern Christian Recording. Yep. an exclusively Christian facility. And you NAILED IT! Thanks for putting this up!
Right on! If you ever need some guitar recorded remotely, please reach out!
I really enjoyed watching this video.. and really was impressed and empathetic to a lot of t he comments. Brother I could write a book on these topics.
Appreciate the kind words man. Thanks for watching
Christian artist here! And one looking to potentially make a move to Nashville in the future. This is really great info to know! There are unfortunately hypocrites everywhere and in every sphere of society. It definitely is highlighted more when you’re literally singing one thing and living another.
Either way, I feel like based on what you talked about, the good outweighs the bad. Thanks for the video! I really enjoy your content, man! Keep it up!
Couldn't agree more. Thank you for checking the video out and your thoughtful feedback.
I auditioned for a successful Christian band in the early 90's. I had gotten saved and decided to leave the rock scene in Nashville (Yes Nashville had a rock scene even then! And there were some amazing bands back then, story for another time). I did not get the gig due to politics. I left the music industry altogether and stayed away for at least six years or more. I got tired of just the douchieness in and around the church music scene. I wasn't even that deeply involved in it, and it even I could see what was going on, and it was NOT Christ like, then you would think the church could. This and many other issues pushed me out of the church. I really do want to be a part of a church. I KNOW I loved Christ, but the hypocrisy is too much. I feel like to praise and worship section of the church has gotten out of control. I am there to hear the word of God, not to see a show and ego.
Thank you for sharing your story and experience. Appreciate you watching the video.
@@NickyV No worries! Thanks for the honesty!
Really appreciate you talking about this. You nailed it.
Appreciate you man. Welcome to town!
Nicky V. scores A+ and bonus points for making this video, so much appreciated - Tim from NW TN. I grew up in church (Assembly of God denomination), and I've been involved in small churches, and then all the way up to a huge 6000 seat church in AZ. I know there is huge hypocrisy in churches, and duh - it is really obvious now since big name church folk, and others are falling down embarrassingly in front of the world. Hypos are common everywhere in the world, but so sad when people say they are representing the true and living God, and then they live a trashy 'secret' life, that some insiders get to see (not those who tune in to the glossy services each week). Anyways - your insights are very much appreciated, love watching your channel. If you ever get near Gleason, TN it would be great to meet up. You are appreciated - glad you have some cool and real deal folks to deal with who treat you right, for sharing your amazing skills and experience. I don't even really follow the main stream 'christian' music stuff since it is really all show and brings no real glory to the true and living God, my opinion - and I'm sure the same with a few other odd ball people out there. Keep going Nicky V., and thanks for this great video, I really like hearing your insider perspective on it. v FAM at ilj dot com, if you happen to get near NW TN area - ha ha.
Tim you are very kind. Thank you for commenting and hope the paths cross someday. Appreciate you man.
@@NickyV Absolutely - ha ha, my 13 yr old daughter is watching this video now at our place. I'm convinced she has a great voice and lots of talent, and she is very interested in music and the music industry (mostly country - which I don't really like). Anyways, small world. Thanks for the reply, it means a lot here. And love the short video you did about your perspective on the Christian music scene. Sure, the people in the tight knit community don't want to talk about it since they have the fear of "God", or the big church and family, and their reputation at stake.
It’s not about the Christian music so much or going to church all the time. It is about a personal relationship with Jesus and receiving Salvation. I’m not interested in being churchy. I am a lot like the disciples, strong in my faith but a little rough around the edges. Praise Jesus and thank Him everyday
Love that. I’m a deist that never felt the need for others when it came to my own beliefs but I’m glad organized religion is there for those who it really helps. I’m with ya on the rough around the edges haha.
Thanks for watching
Thanks Nicky....glad you made this vid. I came from the late 60's and my band was The Royal Guardsmen.....yep, Snoopy songs. I love the time but the Lord had other plans. After 20 or so years, He gave me new songs to write and play. Scared to death about what would the Christian world think of me and my kind of music. It was a light rock I guess. Anyhoo, "Transition" came to be. Started playing churches and saw the reaction of the people and bought our CD at each sing. Knowing that this came from the Lord...I was just the vessel. Some of my friends from Nashville said to do this as an Indy. OK, so I tried to get some airplay, and did get a little, but when I contacted KLOVE, I checked all the boxes except....a label...so they wouldn't play my songs. I guess I gave up after a couple of years and hoped maybe other artists would looks at them. I do get some sales on CD Baby, etc., which I appreciate deeply.
Again, thanks for the insight and an ear. God bless ya .
Thank you for sharing your story and so glad people are enjoying your music. Thank god for CD Baby. Appreciate you and thanks for watching!
I did a 'cheesy' cover of your song about 30 years ago...reminds me of my youth... th-cam.com/video/AVjhMP9x-HU/w-d-xo.htmlsi=d2EzUvbnnC7fRP42
@@NickyV Thanks NickyV....Bless ya
Bro, number 3 I can totally relate to, exploiting volunteers or 'employees' in the name of the Lord. I play on the worship team at my church and encounter the same thing. The unspoken expectation is you serve the Lord and the church with your gifts as an 'offering' which basically means the church gets free or next to free labor. The lead pastor is the worship leader as well so there is a power dynamic which disincentivizes people from speaking up for fear of being retaliated against or losing your spot on the team. It irks me to no end that the pastor basically operates as the spiritual guide for hundreds of people week in week out, advising people on how they need to conduct their lives, while at the same time exploiting people in the name of the Lord.
This is the one I hear the most. Control by means of twisting the scripture. Power brings corruption, just human nature. Sorry you are dealing with this. Appreciate you checking the video out.
Sounds like you got some bad fruit. Look for another tree!
I coined the term 'hypochristianity". I noticed it when I was ten years old. Jesus 'still' Saves. ..u better believe.
GREAT VIDEO!! 👍🎸
Thanks man!
Funny how human hypocrisy always creates chaos, confusion, division, complication, and heartache. It's as if it were by design.
Too bad Believing musicians, and writers are relegated to the mess.
As a musician and writer, I chose to ignore the paradigm. I write as I am led and or am inspired, and let people decide, let GOD bless what is his.
So, in this new age I find that secular platforms , like Substack, allows me the freedom to do that. The non existence of attempting to please hypocrites, is incredibly stress free.
A major side issue with "Christian music" for me is also that it is directed towards believers and the "church" while effectively ignoring the world.
We are called to bring the gospel , the good news to the world, not play in an echo chamber.
The echo chamber is very true. A good example of it not getting out there is honestly my upbringing having zero clue who any Christian artist were and my friends from that world literally not being able to name one zeppelin song. Thank you for watching and sharing your thoughts!
There is already a Netflix documentary in Hillsong, it’s called the secrets of Hillsong. I personally grew up in this church before Hillsong even existed (CLC).
Wow I’ll have to check that out.
Well said, and an interesting perspective - thanks!
Absolutely! Thanks for watching
Been out of it for 2 years. Worked busy in it for
20+ yr. Glad to hear you have made some money in it.
I’ve been very fortunate. Feel like I’ve gotten away with something for sure. Thanks for checking the video out man.
So the militant attitude is still there. It is why I walked....nothing loving about any of that. I will not play in church or do a "Christian" band ever again. I love the lord and go to church and I pray for these people. I am a working, sober hired gun in my state and everyone knows what they are getting. Zero friction for the most part and I get paid well. It's amazing how many Christian musicians I run into out there that are in a similar state of mind.
I’ve heard situations similar to yours quite a bit. Glad you found the path that works for you. Appreciate you checking the video out.
Thanks for telling about the good! I’m not in this world, just my own world :) I do wish and hope for Christian music to be better, and will output creative/good stuff!
Ya man! Thanks for watching
I was in music ministry for many years and saw much of what you're talking about good and bad. People are who they are regardless of their beliefs or lack thereof.
I love your content and this is such a fascinating video to me. I would love to hear your take on the music itself. I have been "retired" from the CCM scene for some time because I found that in the last ten years or so the musicality of it has become EXTREMELY formulaic and in my opinion has surpassed bro country as the most cliche and predictable genre. (bpm ranges, drum grooves, chord progressions, guitars with tons of delay, etc.)
Your brief analysis is pretty spot on. I have to pull out a certain amount of “the standard stuff” if that’s what the client has in their head…I’m just here to provide a service. If they want me to dig in or if they have a more open ear and mindset I’ll do all I can to serve what the songs needs and try to pull something unique out and inject something fresh into the mix.
It all comes in cycles, five to ten years from now they will turn the verb down and in another 20 the verb will be back.
That was a very interesting topic you talked about. I have a very short attention span but i watched the whole video. Thanks for sharing!! I have a TH-cam channel and i did a few Christian songs. Im not a very good guitar player but i enjoy playing. I wrote a song called as in the days of Noah by Dan Green on TH-cam and for the love of god by Dan Green on TH-cam. Im not that good but love playing and singing. Thanks for sharing an interesting topic in the music world.
Really appreciate you taking the time to check the video out and thank you for sharing as well.
no one cancels christians like christians
Awesome video
Thank you!
Legalism that Jesus set us free from is SO common in the church, but (in fairness) leaders are supposed to be "above reproach"... There is and should be a distinction. Conversely, for the maases, I equate much of the modern church with announcing D-Day happening tomorrow... Why are we fighting yesterday's battles? Jesus won that one! That is STILL much of the church.
Maybe that is why (it seems that) what should be the most joyous and energetic music made ends up the most benign and tepid for production?
Thanks for your honest perspective.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts. Appreciate you watching.
I was raised in church and believe in God. Although I've been a hellyen started in radio 1979 including night club DJ from sarasota to Cincinnati. My opinion and observations only when I first meet someone and right off jump they tell me their Christian my experience that becomes a train wreck. I want to hang with good people that follow the 10 commandments...frankly they don't have to be a 100 percent believer just good people. Sadly you're video post is and has been my thoughts for many years. Great post In fact I'll have to look back I think I've caught a couple of your youtube vids... keep them coming
I’m with you on that one. Good people and bad people on both sides of the coin…and a whole bunch in the middle. Appreciate you commenting and checking the video out.
If you are in a band that represents a church that preaches no drugs and alchohol. The preachers and people who represent the church need to be drug and alchohol free to save others. I understand it seems harsh but we are hear to save people and show they can have a full life free of drugs and alcohol. Love you all. I enjoyed the video.
Thank you for checking the video out and sharing your thoughts.
One tag, as far as the Christian music scene in Nashville, probably my favorite is Aaron Shust, curious if you have ever crossed paths with him (you don't have to reply either way). He has a family and I believe he lives in the Nashville area. I think he is a good example of a Christian artist, but I don't know anything about the business side of things and how all that works. He is a skilled vocalist, pianist, guitarist and has written a lot of quality music - and he seems humble and has a good heart with a desire to give glory to God through his talents.
I don’t think I’ve crossed paths with Aaron yet. Hope someday we get to work together though.
I've never quite understood the term "Christian music." It sounds sorta like "Christian grocery store," or "Christian gas station," or "Christian investment banking," or "Christian traffic light." It reminds me of a billboard I used to see here in the rural Ohio county where I live - it was an ad for a home builder company called "Cross Builders." It had big picture of a crucifix. To me it looked like a shameless sales pitch - blatantly usurping a religious image to promote a for-profit private enterprise. Nothing illegal about it, but I wouldn't trust somebody who does something like that.
It's not about selling something. Praise music or gospel music is about wishing God. It's about making a joyous noise to the Lord. That ties back into my previous comment. I am lay praise music for me to praise God and glorify God not try to "convince " you of my personal beliefs or relation with Jesus. This is exactly why I never pursued christian music for a financial gain.
@@WhiteWolfEFX I get it. And I can appreciate that. But Christian music on a radio station is about selling something. Its either the belief structure, or its all sorts of other stuff to Christians who tune in because they like to listen to that music. And the billboard in the county where I live for "Cross Builders" was certainly trying to sell something.
But since you mentioned it, I'll ask you about this. You said you sing praise music to "glorify God." That's another expression I've never understood. How does a human "glorify" God? The glory of God is due to his own inherent nature. Its not something a human can heap onto, or dress God up with. So what exactly does it mean to "glorify" God. I think what is meant is "to praise" or "show honor towards" God, but its a misuse of the word. To glorify something is to give it glory or imbue it with glory. Humans do none of those things in relation to God. In fact, it works quite the other way around. Glory resides in and with God, and emanates from God.
I know there is a long tradition of using the word that way, but there are long traditions of other things too - and it doesn't always make them right.
@@anthonypanneton923
I have never commented on a TH-cam video before, and I am not the one who you posed this question to, but if I may give my perspective……. To “Glorify God” does not imply that a human is adding anything beneficial to what or who God is. To glorify god, to my understanding, means giving Him the recognition for what one might otherwise take credit for themselves. It might be thought of as an antonym to pride and boasting of one’s deeds.
@@brandonmills112 In other words, all is "by the grace of God." But words have meanings.
The issue is that the actual English language words do imply something else. They have simply been misused in this religious context for so long (centuries) that people take for granted that they mean something different in this context. Some of that is the result poor translation of the bible by medieval scholars from older Latin and Greek texts, which themselves (in the case of old testament books) were not in their original language.
I agree with your analysis of the intended meaning of the phrase - to acknowledge, to praise, to recognize the grace, omnipresence, and benevolence of God.
@@anthonypanneton923 Well said.
a lot of the time the church one attends adds to what the scripture says about behavior, a good example is drinking alcohol, the scripture say not to get drunk, it doesn't say you can't have a glass of wine, beer. The scripture also says not to do something that would cause your brother to stumble, so if I am going out to eat and I know I might cause some who sees me to stumble if they see me drinking beer or glass of wine, I won't drink it, not because its sin but because I don't want to stumble. If the organized church would stick to the scripture instead of their doctrine, things would be much better and people would not get hurt. We Christians are no better or worse then anyone else, we just follow Jesus, not perfect at all
Very very well said. Appreciate the comment and you taking the time to share your thoughts.
Yeah, the music groups that come out of churches can be tough because they have non-musicians (pastors, etc) in authority over them. People who don’t understand music and have different priorities and objectives. Also, this unfortunately sometimes means there is a rivalry between the pastors and the music guys when the music gets more popular. Sad, but I’ve seen it a few times. We need to run from those types of egos.
That’s really interesting. Never thought about that but makes complete sense
One year I spent a decade there… have not laughed that hard in a long time!
Pretty solid quote haha
I've been trying to bust into the Gregorian chant scene for awhile but it's a bit cliquey. Cheers Nicky!
You and me both brother. Been practicing my neume reading just in case the call comes in.
When we get to heaven, do you think everything will sound like a Strymon? 😅
Lord I hope so....I need that Trem Delay for eternity.
@@NickyVand the cloudburst!!!
@@bleepblabloop lollll
I hope you don't receive any hassle because of this video. Interesting to hear your point of view. No Serial Killer.
Hopefully they watch it until the end.
I wish you well, contemporary Christian music left me with too many questions, I grew up with quartets and choirs, Elvis said it best when he made the comment about the comment about the church of Scientology, “all head and no heart” this is kinda my take on contemporary Christian music, to each his own though, if I can’t understand it, if it doesn’t touch me, it’s not my cup of tea, jmo though, there is only one judge, and I’m not him praise God, I applaud you for speaking about this for sure
Oh yeah, I love the title to this video, although I’m 62 I still feel like a hellion as well ( a very you looking 62 by the way)
Love that quote, and appreciate you sharing your thoughts man. My experience playing live on this side of the coin is very limited. Done a few southern gospel shows but never the contemporary thing live. So all of my experience with it has been on the studio side of things. Thank you for checking out the video.
Another thing that would most likely really upset the controlling disingenuous people in this community - not the normal kind people - is in all likelihood Jesus was black or maybe middle eastern ethnicity! The Vedic teachings I follow also put all Jesus’s power and abilities squarely at mother divines feet from which all of that came from. People freak out when ‘the story’ turns out to be different in any way from what’s been drilled into the day and night. Ok I’ll stop not trying to rant but more like say hey there are way different ideas out there,
Agreed. My personal ideas probably don’t align with most major religions…if I took a Facebook quiz I’d probably just be a deist. I just try to stay respectful of whoever I work with and also work on a bunch of non Christian but religious music. If it helps people I’m all for it.
There's nothing wrong with having a beer: it's only when you cannot control it but broadcasting drinking I believe is wrong because young people will drink due to this influence. I believe God calls us when his timing says too. It's a wonderful thing to be the vessel by which the Lord can speak. None of us are all perfect and there be some imperfections such as suffering from acting like a Hypocrite because that's exactly what it is: it's play acting but a real actor or hypocrite does it on purpose - And our Christian leaders are doing what they believe in. God will always lead us to walk in his light (give us the steps we should take to please Him). Enjoy the blessing of the music He gave.
This is very thoughtful and well written. Thank you for sharing and watching the video
Here's the thing: The "Christianity" you refer to is only one sect of the Christian religion. Its not the only type of Christianity practiced on this planet. And its a type of Christianity that relies heavily on fear and control, theologically and otherwise. Their theological bottom line is: "believe what we tell you to believe, or you will be toast for all eternity." So the stuff you talk about is sorta baked in with that particular sect of "Christianity." IMHO, its a somewhat twisted view of the universe, God, and what life is all about.
You are probably spot on. Thank you for the thoughtful comment and taking the time to check the video out.
True, and I get the impression that what @Nicky V is talking about are experiences from the Protestant side of things. My experience is from the (gasp!!!) Roman Catholic side of things (yes, I'm a lifelong Catholic), and while there are professionally oriented Catholic liturgical/music organizations such as OCP (Oregon Catholic Press), and Catholic musicians & composers like Sarah Hart, Steve Agresano, etc. who create modern christian music, Catholic churches usually don't have mega sized bands. A fair amount of them don't play modern christian music (though a quite a few of them do - including the one I go to), and other than maybe an on-(church) staff music director, there are no paid musicians, and those that sing in the choir or are the actual band musicians are volunteers, such as me - yeah, I play in a church band; and have since 2019, when as a mid 50s guitarist who used to play in heavy rock bands, it became one of the few non-oldies or country music ways in my neck of the woods, to get my band fix.
I appreciate this video man,
You have no idea,
Thank you so much 💯
Man, thank you. Appreciate you checking it out
@@NickyV only a pleasure man, absolutely love your channel dude 👏🏿🎯💯
If a community can’t find it in themselves to forgive someone, then it’s not a Christian community no matter how many times they try to say otherwise. I’m sick and tired of the weaponizing of Jesus. Just done. Zero tolerance for those who distort the Bible or use it as a prop.
Truth. Appreciate you taking the time to comment and watch the video.
Wow. This video isn't just about the Christian music industry, this is commentary on religious institutions (not religion) as a whole. Spirituality is a wonderful thing but it's always the institutional dogma that ruins it.
I’m a deist that kind of likes doing my own thing independent of any institution and for the most part agree with you on that. The organized aspect of it definitely helps a lot of people. Thankfully it’s a choice for most. Thanks for watching!
that's enough
Why do so many people work for a church anyway? I think we as a Christian body need to shift our focus away from this performance-based, entertainment-driven church. I love excellence and well produced music, but often music is promoted way too far out of a region to generate money or because of a need to be recognized. I am from Switzerland and have a heart for all nations to produce and sing their songs to God. "Every tongue will confess" not only the Western American tongue... But all we sing are English songs from the big names... or we translate them. I would love to hear some new Christian music in the global church that is regional and born from local people.
Christian music has always been a BIG BUSINESS moneymaker!
Indeed
I grew up in the southern Baptist police state and left when I was 16 and I only go into churches for weddings or funerals. Everyone is all up in everyone else’s business. I couldn’t stand to be around those people for an hour on Sunday, much less spend eternity with them.
It is a cult that has twisted Christ’s teachings into a political theocratic view of the world. Thanks for your honesty.
Sorry you had to deal with that man. Appreciate you checking the video out
Weaponized is sadly the right word. And that happens in every ministry in a lot of churches. The other part is that it is rare that a musician can use the full spectrum of their ability as Christian music is very limiting and sadly robotic, lacking creativity.
From what I’ve been told, I agree with you on the weaponization. Musically, there are brilliant moments that happen on some of the records I’ve got to play on. I always try to toss something in there fresh and a bit more colorful/edgy if it serves the song appropriately. But yes I also hear a lot of the “safe bets” or go to moves.
I played PW for 20 years (dozens of huge churches) …10 years of it was lead guitar in the biggest churches in SoCal. It took me quite a while to figure out that ‘the American church’ has zero to do with Jesus Christ and everything to do with iconic ‘celebrity-ego driven’ narcissists (senior pastor and staff) that ‘play dictator’ in a religious club. The deeper I got into my faith, the closer I walked personally with Jesus Christ the further I got from these ‘churchy imposters’ that fill mega churches and attend to feel ‘religious’ and sanctimonious…this is exactly the same way it was in the first century till now. Churches are as ‘fallen and worldly’ as the imperfect people that lead and attend them. The only question is this- does God call you to be a part of that paradigm? Or not….if you are a ‘true follower’ of Jesus Christ you follow His leading where He will use you best…that very well may be in these ‘mega churches’ or not…each person is directed as God directs…if you feel you are ‘trapped’ and hate attending but leaving will cause disruption? Ask God…what does He want you to do?
Thank you for sharing and the very thoughtful comment. Appreciate you checking the video out
I'm in Canada and for me it's strange that a musician can earn a living with christian music. Here there is very little music in church. When their is music it's organ with a choir or just a choir or just an pipe organ. Anyway, we don't really mix buissness with religion or school with religion or government and religion...you get the point.For me it's a personal and quiet thing.
What’s strange is for me, it’s a very private matter as well. I’m a deist that has my own feelings and system of beliefs. I think this is good for business because I play on a lot of religious music outside of the Christian world as well. A lot of its in different languages so I don’t understand what they are singing about but can feel the passion in it and try to channel that into my own performance. But if there’s one thing the US is good at, it’s monetizing its culture and everything else haha. Thanks for watching
hahaha the people who wont look at you in the liquor store
Hahaha
About the only remotely Christian Music song I’ve ever heard that I really liked is Via Dolorosa . Frankly , I dont think it matters what you listen to as long as it’s not blatantly Satanic - and yes, there is that out there. But do really think God objects to Black Sabbath’s War Pigs lyrics? Read the lyrics - more relevant today than when it came out. Pop culture is merely a reflection of people and their cultural experience- plenty of well meaning , good messages in regular secular music . Alcohol is legal , but it doesn’t mean you’re supposed to get blind drunk every time you have a drink - get my point?
Spot on with everything you said. Thanks for sharing
@@NickyV Yea , man - I dig your content . Look forward to seeing more.
Cheers!
Speaking strictly from the view of a CCM fan. Comment generalized here. I think given your comments are tied to church communities, there is this church culture, that when church becomes "successful" in that there is a healthy budget, growth in numbers, and ministry outreach occurring, there can be the temptation to be protective of the ministry's success. That's when things get messy. I wonder if that, at least in part, speaks to the experience of what you're sharing from a CCM musician's view point that stays hush-hush. It's hard. My thought is I would want to keep my foot in as many circles my talent will allow, so I'm not beholding to one community of professionals. Saying that humbly as I don't know at the end of the day what it feels like to be in that position.
This is incredibly well said and very thoughtful. I think you are spot on with this. My friends that have had the most success and higher quality of life seem to be diversified...even within the Christian community. Not just being tied up in one church, working on sessions, touring in the secular world or Christian world, even simple things like having other outlets or hobbies outside of the church circles. I also agree with you on the success potentially bringing different types of challenges. Thank you for commenting and checking the video out!
My favourite experiences are the "sermons" given by Pastors and of course, VERY wealthy people who subsidize 40 %
of a church's gross contributions. I've heard if for 45 years, since college. "They have been 'blessed'", "We have been 'blessed'", etc. etc. Yet, they tell everyone else to "be content". :)
Over the years I have always confronted these "jokers". I always stated, "They were NOT 'blessed'. They reaped what they sowed.in business through project planning, etc" I always reminded them that even lawfully "reaping what they sowed" was not always - - a "blessing". :)
I further confronted these duplicitous goons with the reality that if THOSE people were "content". they would not own
40 apartment buildings. They would own 10 or even "39" apartment buildings. They would not even own 10 because
they would own nine because they were "content". :). You see my point. :)
The "sales pitch" was always, "Do it for - the Lord". And I quoted Paul and stated, "If I work for Jesus....I will be paid for Jesus". :) THAT wiped the arrogant smiles off their faces. :)
There are far too many outstanding classical guitarists in the Nashville area who are "stellar technicians" and can grab a Telecaster and play far better than Brent, you, "the next door neighbor"....and others. You have shown that....what counts......is being able to do the job AND.....having the "personality type" to be able to tolerate ALL of that duplicity.and the "personality disorders" that permeate the business. :)
I ENVY your "Psychiatric Stamina" and that of others, for being able to socially tolerate the duplicity and short sightedness of so many. people. :)
Keep up the good work. :) Antoine.
I’ve heard a lot of what you are talking about. Thank you for the kind words “psychiatric stamina” is a phrase I’m going to have to incorporate into my vocabulary haha. That’s great.
Thank you for sharing and saying what needs to be said.
Aren't you worried about being labelled? e.g. Oh, not him he's a church guy. I want a Dan Huff like player
The other 80% of the recording I do is all over the map. Did a folky tune this morning. Yesterday I recorded a straightforward rock song, fingerpicking acoustic thing, and a pop tune.
Some guys are viewed as stylist that do a specific thing. I tend to get called for all the weird eclectic projects.
A few of my students' work on a worship repertoire. I think it's great seeing all this passion but, at the same time it's very cultish and uncomfortable to watch the 'salvation show' music videos supporting the tunes. They creep me out. I'm a "loner, Dottie. A rebel'. Still-Jesus Saves.
Haven’t heard the term “salvation show” but that’s spot on. Thanks for checking the video out.
@@NickyV "Brother Love's Travelling Salvation Show" - Neil Diamond The kids today, if they knew better, would call this 'a banger'. "pack up the babies and grab the old ladies"...timeless.
"worship repertoire". 🙄
@@gingervytis Chris Brown, Elevation & Hillsong Worship, etc.
wtf, these comments are gonna be something else.
Hahaha I know. My friend that I spoke to before making the video said the same thing.
look up bad brad
He had a great channel
@@NickyV Yes he is still on and recently. He's gone from rainy Nashville to rainy Florida now to start a new band
If there were a God, she would have given us better Gsus4 chord voicing options.
Blahahhahaha
and you're wrong.. you're not a hellion
Raised a fair amount of hell before I met my wife. Definitely chilled out since haha. Appreciate your kindness and watching the video!
Your videos are always enlightening.
Thanks!🎸🎤👍
You are very kind. So glad you enjoy them!