At the end of the day only one was built in Japan (kept its heritage) and the other is built in Austria (sold out its history, 98% BMW parts) So the true JDM vehicle is the Nissan Z.
The early 90s Konami-style fonts and music just hit all the right nostalgia notes. There's a group of us that will always have a soft spot for that era of cars and video games, and your attention to detail in bringing that in to this video is fantastic. Great work.
Agreed! Can’t get enough generic synthwave myself. Also, the transitions to smoooth jazz are a nice touch😎 @savagegeese please put your track selections in video descriptions so I can listen to it in the car while visualizing my success as big shot Nissan influencer like you and Jack. Charter flights, the finest premium Uni, and crates of Odeur De Armada are in my future, I just need the right tracks.
I own a GR Supra was so happy to see this comparison done with equal tires. It was hard to come up with a fair test on other channels when the Supra had the Michelins and the Z had the comparatively wonky Bridgestones.
Dont any of you EVER apologize for long videos. It is truly enjoyable, informational and educational quality art that i get excited for and only wish for a blessing of more to spend time on watching. Thank you for the long video.
Refreshed ten times to see when this vid was uploaded. You guys are way too underrated. I love the technical analysis embedded with high brow humor. thanks guys for all you do.
This is why the 86 is a great car. I wanted a car I could thoroughly enjoy on weekend jaunts. I wanted a reasonably priced sports car and tried a Miata, but was to uncomfortable in it. GR is fast enough in the curves and gets constant looks and praise from others. Totally happy I saved big bucks and have a car I can really enjoy and am excited to own.
all this about its fast enough is just negative slave programming to convince us that mediocrity is good. Soon there will be no cars, you will own nothing ,have nothing, and you will enjoy it.
@@jesterokjones4954 they are diff tuned suspension. BRZ is more comfortable daily driving and I see no lack of responsiveness at the limit. In addition, Subaru dealers are much better to deal with. I found Toyota dealerships to be asshats and Toyota corporate to be very ok with that. Exact opposite from Subaru
As a "car guy", this was a great video. You do a great job of covering the information i WANT to know as a car guy- and not just the information theyd share at a press release. Going in to weight distributions, putting the cars on equal tires to test them- Great video.
I like that as an editor you don't stick to the same rigid format over and over. You take risks, and fortune favors the bold. Ive noticed the photography improve significantly in recent years. Its a pleasure to watch.
This is one of the very few car review channels that I watch till the end of the video and enjoy. Top-notch video production, well thought out explanation, and not irritating music but way underrated channel. We gotta help these guys to reach one million subscribers. So whoever is watching this without subscribing, just hit that damn subscribe button!
As a Supra owner, what I find does not get talked about enough about the Supra is the presence and attention the car gets. It is mind blowing. Everyone wants to check it out, everyone goes wow a Supra and everyone thinks it’s cool. The car has an “it” factor that just cannot be matched. And that’s a part of owning and driving a sports car - that wow factor when you see it and the reaction others get when they see it. It’s amazing and it’s something that totally caught me by surprise when I first got the car. It’s an amazing car and for the money, I’d argue the best sports car you can buy.
People are interest in the martian looks of the car... Dont go thinking they think of it as some ferrari or something. Of course non car people will think a rare car they never seen is cool. And yeah, you could argue its the best sports car for its money but you'd be utterly wrong. Its just a shitty Z4 on steroids, lol. It stands no chance against something like the porsche 718, an M2 BMW or even the Mustang and Camaro V8 options. And if you want some real sports car experience, something like the Alpine A110 blows all of these fatasses out of the track.
@@Milkman69ner no one says except those people who are purposefully saying that to put you down. Don’t really care about those people. Plus it’s true and also a good thing. Can’t imagine how it being a BMW sports car is a bad. BMW makes the best sports cars.
@Milkman69ner My E90 M3 has been great. Despite it being old now, I still have people coming up to me to start a conversation. Although the saloon is rare in the UK. Plus, if Toyota did not collaborate with BMW then there wouldn't have been another Supra. Definitely a car I'll be buying in the next few years.
@USCtrojans26 So...better than Porsche and McLaren? I think not, but BMW does have a good reputation with its M cars.I have a 2024 45th Anniv. GR Supra, and look forward to driving it whenever I can.
I know you guys keep saying that your video was long but the way you guys make your videos makes me feel like it’s not dragging on and on. I watched all 38:15 minutes of this and I wasn’t bored one single bit. Thank you for all you do. Your attention to detail never goes unnoticed.
IMO, Savagegeese is the best! The honest and the cinematography is extremely special. The chemistry between Jack and Mark is also something very rare whether on YT or off.
This is why you guys are the best car review channel of all time. This level of detail, evaluation, and consideration of these two cars can't be found anywhere else.
Really good idea to show the lap times between the GR86 and others. It’s going to be interesting to see how it compares to other sport cars you review.
Even the little touch of doing the brake pads on the Z! Very smart and light touches to make sure we can get a sensible approach. Focus on the main components powertrain, suspension and chassis.
May there be more subs and therefore more money for SG, these guys should be earning hundreds of thousands a year for what they're doing. Thank you SG. Best auto channel on YT by far.
You guys at SG (including all the behind the scenes folks we don’t know about) are the absolute BEST in the business of car education! Toe to toe with Hagerty and Jason! Love love love your work, I was a service writer for 18 years as a first career. Started in 1997 when the first ITRs came to Acura. Man those were the days! Keep up the great work!
No hate to those like Hagerty, but honestly I'd really with people would stop comparing them to SG. Jason is all theatre and show which I know people like, but SG is pure driver impression and analysis. Everytime I watch a Hagerty video, I feel like he's trying so hard to overemphasize everything that it feels unnatural.
@@yaboiyosef7640 My favorite series of Jason's is definitely Revelations. Icons is for drama, if you like an action movie sort of video. They're both for entertainment for sure, but it's nice he does both approaches.
The B58/ZF8 combo is pretty much the ultimate powertrain. The perfect blend of potential, sound, power and reliability. Props to Nissan for making a new Z. It’s a special car and I’m sure the cult like following behind the Z will make great things with it.
@@georgef5728 it is now. It had to pass all of Toyotas standards and they tweaked it themselves to make it more reliable. It's got forged internals, can hold plenty of power without fail. I've had no problems with my Supra since I've had it.
I've tracked my Supra and my Gen 1 BRZ a fair bit and all the observations in the review are so accurate, the GR Supra is much twitchier than the BRZ and takes a lot of concentration and work to drive at the limit and keep in control where as the BRZ is so much easier to drive fast. I really look forward to seeing the new Z at the track and I hope I get a chance to drive one too!
I was just really surprised to see the 86 with half the HP and a little less weight put down around a 1% slower time. That's a crazy good value compared to the 400z
@@iSOBigD super competent car, the added torque across the power band makes the car surprisingly quick at any technical road course. A friend who had a modified 86 (all the bolt ons, suspension and aggressive camber, 245 RS4s) bought the new GR86 and put the same lap times down in the totally stock GR86 as they were doing in their modified and tuned gen 1.
I passed you guys on 176 in my red E60 M5 while you were testing the Z (in case you spotted one). I almost crapped my pants I was so excited to see that car. Thanks for the great content as always and I hope to see you guys out on the roads again!
Finally. I’ve been waiting so long for a comparison review between these two legends reborn to be in deep detail, in the way only Savage Geese could deliver. Considering the minds behind both Nissan and Toyota’s sports car development, its interesting to see how they played out almost exactly like the historical versions did. The 4th gen Supra and the Z32 still had these same contrasts. The Z was heavier, the Supra more power, but the Z more traditional sports car and the Supra more insulated. Akio Toyoda and Hiroshi Tamura’s team to this day created competitive awesome cars
Giga premium boys. I appreciate the detailed explanations of how each car feels paired with the visceral visuals and sounds. It massages the imagination in such a way that almost makes you feel like you are driving the car. I love both of them. Being a gentleman of a certain age I’d go with the Nissan for sure. I really dig the blue chew interior. I’d put a nice katana hilt decal at the end of each blade on either side of the car. Impatiently awaiting the next video. Keep it up!
Park it on empty lot and see how many people come by drive by to check it out it’s insane! Literally can’t park anywhere lol 😂 attention insane feels like u in mclaren or Ferrari
I was all in on the Supra - until I sat in it and felt so claustrophobic... Had to go the gr86 which although smaller feels more spacious (and honestly, it drives amazingly).
@@MKu64 indeed Supra is 2 door no back seats sports cars it’s made for not so tall or big people and it’s hard to see out of it unless u short but gr86 is great sports car hope it’s manual auto is waste of money
Thank you for putting this comparison together. Like myself, I'm sure there are some folks out there debating which of these to waste their money on. I like the longer format videos you guys produce. Keep up the great high quality content gents!!!
Another great video that highlights the true differences between the two cars. I didn’t know about the fueling issues with the new Z, that is a pretty big issue for me. I like to live my life one quarter of a gas tank at a time…
PrideAuto makes a pick up tube in tank for the VR30 that basically eliminates this fuel issue. I have it on my Q60. Super easy to install and I did a upgraded low pressure fuel pump too.
The Z has a "saddle bag" gas tank. This is only an issue on long sweeping right-turns at high speeds. I've never noticed it on the road, even flying dangerously through mountain passes such as Sitgreaves Pass in Arizona on Old US 66. Z1 Motorsports sells a kit for $550 that is supposed to cure the issue.
I've been waiting since my Z January pre order in Canada. It's a sad wait but I'm gonna stick it through. Thanks for helping tide us over in the meantime! Your efforts are appreciated 😀
@23:34 Funny, I personally I absolutely love that about the Supra. The short wheel base combined with the mountain of torque makes it feel very rear driven for lack of better words. I can powerslide all over town in it and that *to me* is one of the reason the Supra is such a fun street car. The razor sharp steering, great exhaust note, snappy trans, comfy seats and everything else are just cherry on the cake.
I've been trying to understand which car I would prefer since I don't mind modern stuff due to some of it being surprisingly amazing while I also enjoy older because I learned to drive and still prefer manual transmission, despite also loving how snappy and quick some of these newer automatics have gotten... so I guess I'll just have to quit while I am ahead and go find me like a $80K more expensive mercedes or just outright say screw it and go for even more than that... after all, can't get enough... then I also need to get about $100K to add mods and another $50K+ to fuel and maintain it, and all of that in cash so I don't have to care about any depreciation, then build it at a legendary tune shop, then I will be set for a while... now first I just gotta make that cash real quick and I wont have to choose between the Z or Supra since I'll just find a clear winner in an entirely superior price bracket lmao... why do they make it so hard to choose... could save me so much money... Edit: I found what I want, I think... The new Porsche 911 GT3 Wish me luck making that dough, it seems I will certainly need some...
Having The same tires was such a nice detail to be added! Thanks to that the results are more accurate with a fair comparison! Really love this video since I’m in the market and these three cars are the ones on my list! Thank you 🙏
Great comparison video, you guys really went the extra mile for it. I can see you’ve already pissed people off! Nice work! I don’t think people realize you have to maintain good relationships with these brands otherwise they won’t send you cars to review.
Great job team. I really enjoyed this one and I know how much time and effort it must have taken to put together. I appreciate all of your hard work! And, despite being a BMW owner and fan, I agree with Mark on this one and would rather have the Z for all the same reasons he mentioned. Cars that talk to you and react in an organic way to driver inputs are all too rare these days!
I'm still drawn to BRZ/86 (despite the silicone thing). Sure, knife in a gun fight, but I don't plan on getting into any fights. Plus I have a use for the back seats. 🏁
@@potatorigs2155 The supra is a Frankestein... Theres no opinion there. Its a car design built on top of a platform that it wasnt meant to. The result is a disproportionated mess
With all the performance data and discussion, I am glad someone mentioned the Supra is "a quieter car" (time index 38:14). See, when you drive 6 hours, or more--road trip, it really does matter, cause you are not always "racing", you do want to talk to the person in the car with you, and even if driving alone, you may want to converse via blue tooth on the phone--or listen to music. So often, especially young people, don't offer one word about interior quietness and believe me, even if you are young, long road trips brings the issue up.
Really loved this video. It's only a matter of time before Nissan does a new Z Nismo and I think that's when the car will really come into its own for true sports/track car use.
I agree !! That’s what I am waiting on to get is the Nismo Z. I feel , and believe that the Nismo will be a true competitor with the Supra/bmw GR. I think it will out run the Supra in straight line and on the track, but we shall see.
A tuned Z would beat a tuned supra easily, you can reach 500hp with the stock engine + bolt ons. Look at this q60 for example, it keeps up with the supra and it’s heavier than the Z but same engine. th-cam.com/users/shortsH9nU7F3eldw?feature=share
@@savagegeese you gotta join scientology for the Tom Cruise stunt specials Also thanks for arguing such finer details, that I bet a set of Stainless lines to the rears only on the Z would change it on threshold. I would never get that insight anywhere else. Thanks!
Phenomenal content, as usual gents. Love seeing these 2 beasts on the roads once again. I was 16 in 98-99 and got to see/grow up with the 300z and Mk4, and then shortly after they disappeared. Fastest car I've been in to this day was a 1995 300ZX TT dyno'd at 574.8rwhp. Hope these stick around awhile. One may be in my future once my 17 Camaro SS gets to it's twilight years. Cheers.
You guys make the best automotive content on youtube and it's really not even close. There's one other channel that probably rivals you in production quality, but you guys really stand out in the time spent expanding on the intricacies on the technical side and what it means to actually use and own these vehicles. I also really appreciate your sense of humor and showing yourselves which keeps it fun and real, without making it all about you. You've threaded the needle between education and entertainment and in turn made the perfect content. Keep it up! P.s. I'd love to buy a shirt when they are back in stock
I respect both of your opinions, but my automotive mindset is more in line with Marks philosophy of what a good car/sports car is. I’d take the Z 8/10 times if I had the choice. There’s something intangible about it that’s captivating. I understand statistically, it’s not as good as the Supra, and I can accept that. But, the Z is harmonizing the missed visceral feel of the golden aged sports cars with what youd expect in a modern GT car. To me, that’s a unique offering in an era that emphasizes electronics, isolation, and specifications. Excellent video and I hope you guys never stop making these. Cheers!
you need to drive both to make up your mind. making a decisions around other peoples opinions is a trap. I would guess most would enjoy the supra more, mark seems to put a lot emphasis on subtle differences
Recent subscriber. Really enjoy the multi layer analysis. Great thought process and rich intellectual multi layer bias from all angles covered. Top notch. Thanks. Appreciate everything I've seen.
True, but it isn't hard to look better than the Supra. I thought I'd get used to its styling, but it looks as ugly as the first time I saw it. The Z is handsome, but could have been better. The metal swooshes up over the roof and down the back look very generic to me. The overall shape is classic and works great, and the more open, practical interior would make this a much nicer daily.
I'm a person who buys cars n sell them here in Dubai, I used to deal in Z's in particular, I used to love them for I don't know what reason, that old chassis wasn't good, you feel its way too heavier at the front, very tight on space and it was one of the worse if not THE worst when it comes to fuel consumption as these would be your daily cars! only good points were that most of its serviceable parts were affordable. Oh and one major issue with the previous gen is the overheating issue that was there since the year 2009 and till date.. nissan never resolved that simple issue and kept on selling the same crap to people all around the world. That alone was very frustrating that they're not even bothered fixing that flaw for over 10 years!! and by the looks of this new gen, you can tell its the exact same car with new engine and dashboard, they didn't even bother to redesign the door panels or even change the seats a bit, they just changed the color of the materials used... when u sit on that old seat and lean ur head back on the headrest the metalic poles that extends from the rests inside the backrest would push back against u and u'd feel it hitting ur back... that made the seat feel so cheap and I bet you that its still there with that new Z seat
@@tareqjawdat6401 The FM platform has always provided almost perfect 50/50 balance weight. Even on their sedan cars like the Skyline. Stop spouting nonsense out of your ass.
what about the supra being totally artificial and the z actually being interactive... still think the supra is better and incredible for the price but those are exciting things about the z
yeah the sad thing is the sup came out years ago and is still more advanced. Sup engine has way more potential than the Z much like the mkiv vs the z32. Is the sup the worthy successor to the mkiv ? No, but the Z is a whole new level of depravity. This is coming from a former z owner. I would never buy this new Z only the C8 Corvette which doesn't cost much more than the Sup.
The GR86 is definitely a steal for that money, it actually has 245 crank hp, combine that with 1250kg its just perfect, definitely recommend it for people that want to improve their driving skills, fun and fast enough
I'd have to say that of you live in a part of the country with little rain, the a suspension-modified Mazda MX5 is the way to go. Driving on country back roads with the top down is an experience that is irreplaceable with a non-convertible car. So for that $30k range, the MX5 is my pick. Throw in a GR Supra and you have the perfect duo.
These cars are so different to what we're being told is the future, but damn these things are so much more exciting. Almost as if these have life and those EVs are just objects.
That ending is *chef kiss*
I kinda didn't understand - should I buy armada-cologne or not?
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@@rosgoncharuk2403 Yes
Dudes still in bed at 3:13 pm 😂 get movin!!
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Mark bought out by Nissan + Jack bought out by Toyota = 0 bias. Maximal profits and maximal journalistic integrity.
I havent seen mark since Nissan dropped off a gold platted Nissan Cross Cab.
Mark prefers the old school sports car feel. Jack likes the new tech.
Z wins in my book.
And the winner is Civic?
Where is your proof or did you pull that accusation out of your ass?
At the end of the day only one was built in Japan (kept its heritage) and the other is built in Austria (sold out its history, 98% BMW parts)
So the true JDM vehicle is the Nissan Z.
I really appreciate tracking both with the same tires. You guys really went above and beyond for this testing.
Yea, all the big publications just complain about the z's tires. Nice way to set your channel apart.
Agree. Tires are such a huge variable that testing 2 performance cars on different tires winds up testing the tires as much as the car.
Deciding between Supra vs LC500 which one has the more comfortable ride / quieter interior?
@@Fasty2107 lc500
@@Fasty2107 the bmw
The early 90s Konami-style fonts and music just hit all the right nostalgia notes. There's a group of us that will always have a soft spot for that era of cars and video games, and your attention to detail in bringing that in to this video is fantastic. Great work.
Agreed! Can’t get enough generic synthwave myself. Also, the transitions to smoooth jazz are a nice touch😎 @savagegeese please put your track selections in video descriptions so I can listen to it in the car while visualizing my success as big shot Nissan influencer like you and Jack. Charter flights, the finest premium Uni, and crates of Odeur De Armada are in my future, I just need the right tracks.
That was selection screen music for Streets of Rage
@@Turshin SoR2 specifically. And if that's the game, have to go Axel
@@richardbixler I want the Murano cab on his screensaver
@@Turshin Unknown boss car approaches...
*SOR boss music plays
Supra and Z : "why do we hear boss music?"
I own a GR Supra was so happy to see this comparison done with equal tires. It was hard to come up with a fair test on other channels when the Supra had the Michelins and the Z had the comparatively wonky Bridgestones.
Dont any of you EVER apologize for long videos. It is truly enjoyable, informational and educational quality art that i get excited for and only wish for a blessing of more to spend time on watching.
Thank you for the long video.
My favorite thing about this comparison is how happy I'll be with an 86/BRZ knowing I'll never afford the Supra or Z.
I feel that too, I’m really happy with my new 86, I don’t think I’ve ever enjoyed a purchase as much as this.
Yeah, the Toyobaru was the stealth winner of this comparison.
Give it a few years and you might get a decent deal on a lease return
Never say never! I bought a 2019 BRZ and then traded it in for a 2021 Supra. Never thought it would happen!
I hope you like RTV in your oil pickup. Don't park it in your garage, either, or it might burn your garage down.
Refreshed ten times to see when this vid was uploaded. You guys are way too underrated. I love the technical analysis embedded with high brow humor. thanks guys for all you do.
Best car review channel, hands f-ing down. I hardly watch any others anymore.
Nothing says high brow like Mark cramming blow up dolls into a trunk :D
Lol I love the low brow humor too
Thanks!
This is why the 86 is a great car. I wanted a car I could thoroughly enjoy on weekend jaunts. I wanted a reasonably priced sports car and tried a Miata, but was to uncomfortable in it. GR is fast enough in the curves and gets constant looks and praise from others. Totally happy I saved big bucks and have a car I can really enjoy and am excited to own.
Agree, one doesn’t have to spend a fortune to have fun.
all this about its fast enough is just negative slave programming to convince us that mediocrity is good. Soon there will be no cars, you will own nothing ,have nothing, and you will enjoy it.
Dont forget the BRZ. I find the tuning of that one from stock to be more enjoyable.
@@ianstone7629 they're the same exact car though, why do you prefer the BRZ over the 86?
@@jesterokjones4954 they are diff tuned suspension. BRZ is more comfortable daily driving and I see no lack of responsiveness at the limit.
In addition, Subaru dealers are much better to deal with. I found Toyota dealerships to be asshats and Toyota corporate to be very ok with that.
Exact opposite from Subaru
Finally a comparison with all cars using the same tire! Thank you!
Boss told me to take the day off. Got my hot coffee, crisp cool morning and now a savage geese upload 💯
Lucky you 😑 lol
Every free Friday needs a little goose in the caboose to get it going.
@@perfectogaming5240 eh I work Saturday lol, still a lose for me
@@MasterMalrubius amen 🙏
Good for you! Enjoy you lefty
This is by far the best auto-related channel on the platform.
ALL FACTS 👍🏾
I would have to disagree
As a "car guy", this was a great video. You do a great job of covering the information i WANT to know as a car guy- and not just the information theyd share at a press release. Going in to weight distributions, putting the cars on equal tires to test them- Great video.
I like that as an editor you don't stick to the same rigid format over and over. You take risks, and fortune favors the bold. Ive noticed the photography improve significantly in recent years. Its a pleasure to watch.
only halfway through and you guys consistently drop gems. Thank you! Glad to see the 400z holds up.
Who would've thought that eating Arby's will make you drop gems!..
It only hold for a few years... then it fall apart like a 90 years old gramp.
The engine is a masterpiece for a V6, but the rest of the car is a step behind the BMW.
@@zinny999 What?!!! Are you sure you're not talking about the BMW? 😆
@@dragospahontu And yet every tester says it's (the Z) a better driver's car.
As an amateur pest removal professional knowing the Z can hold two cans of Raid is a huge win.
I'm a pest control pro too. Great industry!!!
LOL
This is one of the very few car review channels that I watch till the end of the video and enjoy. Top-notch video production, well thought out explanation, and not irritating music but way underrated channel. We gotta help these guys to reach one million subscribers. So whoever is watching this without subscribing, just hit that damn subscribe button!
As a Supra owner, what I find does not get talked about enough about the Supra is the presence and attention the car gets. It is mind blowing. Everyone wants to check it out, everyone goes wow a Supra and everyone thinks it’s cool. The car has an “it” factor that just cannot be matched. And that’s a part of owning and driving a sports car - that wow factor when you see it and the reaction others get when they see it. It’s amazing and it’s something that totally caught me by surprise when I first got the car. It’s an amazing car and for the money, I’d argue the best sports car you can buy.
People are interest in the martian looks of the car... Dont go thinking they think of it as some ferrari or something. Of course non car people will think a rare car they never seen is cool. And yeah, you could argue its the best sports car for its money but you'd be utterly wrong. Its just a shitty Z4 on steroids, lol. It stands no chance against something like the porsche 718, an M2 BMW or even the Mustang and Camaro V8 options. And if you want some real sports car experience, something like the Alpine A110 blows all of these fatasses out of the track.
Up until they say it’s just a BMW.
Which is ultimately true
@@Milkman69ner no one says except those people who are purposefully saying that to put you down. Don’t really care about those people. Plus it’s true and also a good thing. Can’t imagine how it being a BMW sports car is a bad. BMW makes the best sports cars.
@Milkman69ner My E90 M3 has been great. Despite it being old now, I still have people coming up to me to start a conversation. Although the saloon is rare in the UK. Plus, if Toyota did not collaborate with BMW then there wouldn't have been another Supra. Definitely a car I'll be buying in the next few years.
@USCtrojans26 So...better than Porsche and McLaren? I think not, but BMW does have a good reputation with its M cars.I have a 2024 45th Anniv. GR Supra, and look forward to driving it whenever I can.
This is the good stuff that can be expected from you guys. Love it
I know you guys keep saying that your video was long but the way you guys make your videos makes me feel like it’s not dragging on and on. I watched all 38:15 minutes of this and I wasn’t bored one single bit. Thank you for all you do. Your attention to detail never goes unnoticed.
That is 28 minutes too long
Yesssss❤
The most underrated auto enthusiast content on TH-cam, I said what I said.
Underrated? Have you seen a channel ratings list? Is this just based off subscriber numbers?
@@K03sport YES. They aren't even in the top 100 for automotive (that counts views oe subs), kinda complete BS. Should be at least in the top 25.
That's why we're here
IMO, Savagegeese is the best! The honest and the cinematography is extremely special. The chemistry between Jack and Mark is also something very rare whether on YT or off.
This is why you guys are the best car review channel of all time. This level of detail, evaluation, and consideration of these two cars can't be found anywhere else.
This review was incredible!!!!! THE ENDING 😂😂😂. Great Job guys!!!
Really good idea to show the lap times between the GR86 and others. It’s going to be interesting to see how it compares to other sport cars you review.
Also the Nissan Armada commercial at the end - that was the best part of the video.
I like how title went from "Germany VS Japan" in the post credits scene to "A rEaL JDM Battle" irl. Nice touch 👌.
Really well done! I appreciate bringing in a pro driver and using the same tire so the comparison wasn’t just about tires. Thanks for being thorough!
Even the little touch of doing the brake pads on the Z! Very smart and light touches to make sure we can get a sensible approach. Focus on the main components powertrain, suspension and chassis.
So much for it just being "tires".
May there be more subs and therefore more money for SG, these guys should be earning hundreds of thousands a year for what they're doing. Thank you SG. Best auto channel on YT by far.
A video is never too long if it has useful, well constructed information throughout. This did. Nice job.
Holy smokes guys. Epic, epic video. I’m so glad someone out good tires on
the Z. Those stock Bridgestones are trash.
I had Bridestones in my nismo years ago, yes those are trash 🗑
I heard with upgraded tires it beats the Supra. Now I'm confused.
You guys at SG (including all the behind the scenes folks we don’t know about) are the absolute BEST in the business of car education! Toe to toe with Hagerty and Jason! Love love love your work, I was a service writer for 18 years as a first career. Started in 1997 when the first ITRs came to Acura. Man those were the days! Keep up the great work!
No hate to those like Hagerty, but honestly I'd really with people would stop comparing them to SG. Jason is all theatre and show which I know people like, but SG is pure driver impression and analysis. Everytime I watch a Hagerty video, I feel like he's trying so hard to overemphasize everything that it feels unnatural.
And the amazing part is they are doing it with probably 1/10 the resources that Cammisa gets with Hagerty
@@yaboiyosef7640 My favorite series of Jason's is definitely Revelations. Icons is for drama, if you like an action movie sort of video. They're both for entertainment for sure, but it's nice he does both approaches.
honest to god the production quality is insane. thanks for the 38min of entertainment and greetings from singapore
The ending was out of control... you guys are the best channel out there!
The B58/ZF8 combo is pretty much the ultimate powertrain. The perfect blend of potential, sound, power and reliability.
Props to Nissan for making a new Z. It’s a special car and I’m sure the cult like following behind the Z will make great things with it.
Pretty sure there's more of a cult following for the supra than there is for the Z but okay lol
Can't wait for the manual Supra
Is it reliable? Always wondered what’s up with BMW reliability.
@@georgef5728 it is now. It had to pass all of Toyotas standards and they tweaked it themselves to make it more reliable. It's got forged internals, can hold plenty of power without fail. I've had no problems with my Supra since I've had it.
@@georgef5728 b58 in general is one of BMW’s most reliable engines to date, but the one in the Supra was quality tested a bit more.
I've tracked my Supra and my Gen 1 BRZ a fair bit and all the observations in the review are so accurate, the GR Supra is much twitchier than the BRZ and takes a lot of concentration and work to drive at the limit and keep in control where as the BRZ is so much easier to drive fast. I really look forward to seeing the new Z at the track and I hope I get a chance to drive one too!
Duh, you got twice the power and torque. Of course it's twitchier
@@dannyd7714 it's also a shorter wheelbase.
I was just really surprised to see the 86 with half the HP and a little less weight put down around a 1% slower time. That's a crazy good value compared to the 400z
@@dannyd7714 it’s mostly about the much shorter wheelbase not the power.
@@iSOBigD super competent car, the added torque across the power band makes the car surprisingly quick at any technical road course. A friend who had a modified 86 (all the bolt ons, suspension and aggressive camber, 245 RS4s) bought the new GR86 and put the same lap times down in the totally stock GR86 as they were doing in their modified and tuned gen 1.
As a previous owner of a 1st-gen Z, I agree with Mark concerning the old-school driver involvement feel.
I passed you guys on 176 in my red E60 M5 while you were testing the Z (in case you spotted one). I almost crapped my pants I was so excited to see that car. Thanks for the great content as always and I hope to see you guys out on the roads again!
176...in Surrey ?
Seriously guys, thank you for having a channel that is this honest, real, cool, and disinterested in being an advertisement. You both are AAA.
The CrossCabriolet background is the best part of the video. Actually the whole video is the best part of the video. Great work!
Finally. I’ve been waiting so long for a comparison review between these two legends reborn to be in deep detail, in the way only Savage Geese could deliver.
Considering the minds behind both Nissan and Toyota’s sports car development, its interesting to see how they played out almost exactly like the historical versions did. The 4th gen Supra and the Z32 still had these same contrasts. The Z was heavier, the Supra more power, but the Z more traditional sports car and the Supra more insulated. Akio Toyoda and Hiroshi Tamura’s team to this day created competitive awesome cars
Giga premium boys. I appreciate the detailed explanations of how each car feels paired with the visceral visuals and sounds. It massages the imagination in such a way that almost makes you feel like you are driving the car. I love both of them. Being a gentleman of a certain age I’d go with the Nissan for sure. I really dig the blue chew interior. I’d put a nice katana hilt decal at the end of each blade on either side of the car. Impatiently awaiting the next video. Keep it up!
I seen the GR Supra rolling in real life a few days ago … it has such a presence on the road. Looks absolutely stunning
Park it on empty lot and see how many people come by drive by to check it out it’s insane! Literally can’t park anywhere lol 😂 attention insane feels like u in mclaren or Ferrari
I was all in on the Supra - until I sat in it and felt so claustrophobic... Had to go the gr86 which although smaller feels more spacious (and honestly, it drives amazingly).
@@MKu64 indeed Supra is 2 door no back seats sports cars it’s made for not so tall or big people and it’s hard to see out of it unless u short but gr86 is great sports car hope it’s manual auto is waste of money
@@bman1668 Yep Manual 👍
@@MKu64 good choice! Love the new gen! Looks way more slick than new z lol
Thanks
How the HELL are you not over 1 million subscribers? Wow!
Y’all’s comparison here is unparalleled. Absolutely great work and love the insane effort put into this!
Thank you for putting this comparison together. Like myself, I'm sure there are some folks out there debating which of these to waste their money on. I like the longer format videos you guys produce. Keep up the great high quality content gents!!!
Another great video that highlights the true differences between the two cars. I didn’t know about the fueling issues with the new Z, that is a pretty big issue for me. I like to live my life one quarter of a gas tank at a time…
Only an issue if you're cornering super hard. 370z had the same gas tank and I just never let it get below 1/4
PrideAuto makes a pick up tube in tank for the VR30 that basically eliminates this fuel issue. I have it on my Q60. Super easy to install and I did a upgraded low pressure fuel pump too.
The Z has a "saddle bag" gas tank. This is only an issue on long sweeping right-turns at high speeds. I've never noticed it on the road, even flying dangerously through mountain passes such as Sitgreaves Pass in Arizona on Old US 66. Z1 Motorsports sells a kit for $550 that is supposed to cure the issue.
I feel bad for your fuel pumps
Right? All that supposed care put into the Z and they left a well known design issue. That's modern nissan for you I guess
Omg that streets of rage man too me back great music and video
Y'all's sarcasm and humor make this the best automotive TH-cam channel out there. Keep up the great work, Geese!
It’s so wild when a new video from a TH-cam channel can make you feel giddy like a new episode of your favorite show just dropped.
I've been waiting since my Z January pre order in Canada. It's a sad wait but I'm gonna stick it through. Thanks for helping tide us over in the meantime! Your efforts are appreciated 😀
@23:34 Funny, I personally I absolutely love that about the Supra. The short wheel base combined with the mountain of torque makes it feel very rear driven for lack of better words. I can powerslide all over town in it and that *to me* is one of the reason the Supra is such a fun street car. The razor sharp steering, great exhaust note, snappy trans, comfy seats and everything else are just cherry on the cake.
Agreed. It’s so much fun on the streets, endless smiles man 🔥
I've been trying to understand which car I would prefer since I don't mind modern stuff due to some of it being surprisingly amazing while I also enjoy older because I learned to drive and still prefer manual transmission, despite also loving how snappy and quick some of these newer automatics have gotten... so I guess I'll just have to quit while I am ahead and go find me like a $80K more expensive mercedes or just outright say screw it and go for even more than that... after all, can't get enough... then I also need to get about $100K to add mods and another $50K+ to fuel and maintain it, and all of that in cash so I don't have to care about any depreciation, then build it at a legendary tune shop, then I will be set for a while... now first I just gotta make that cash real quick and I wont have to choose between the Z or Supra since I'll just find a clear winner in an entirely superior price bracket lmao... why do they make it so hard to choose... could save me so much money...
Edit: I found what I want, I think... The new Porsche 911 GT3
Wish me luck making that dough, it seems I will certainly need some...
Hard not to write a comment saying how we love the art you produce
Guys your videos are so in depth. There's no other channel like this. This channel has really grown on me. Keep doing what you do!
Nice to see you guys at AMS. They did some magic to the VR family of engines and have quality parts available as well
You guys knocked this out of the park as always!
How this channel isn't at a million subs yet is beyond me. Amazing quality as always, what a pleasure to watch. Thank you!
Having The same tires was such a nice detail to be added! Thanks to that the results are more accurate with a fair comparison! Really love this video since I’m in the market and these three cars are the ones on my list! Thank you 🙏
Great comparison video, you guys really went the extra mile for it. I can see you’ve already pissed people off! Nice work! I don’t think people realize you have to maintain good relationships with these brands otherwise they won’t send you cars to review.
The ending is worth more than whole episode
Art
@@savagegeeseit is... beyond art
Another really great, high-quality video. Good job, boys.
The New Z docu was great too. Thank you.
Love how much fun you guys are having in the driving impressions. D-mode - what’s that stand for? 😂
You guys had me with the Streets of Rage 2 select screen music.
"That BMW shit that I absolutely loathe." 😂😂 Tell us how you really feel! 😂😂
The thumbnail video is the luggage trunk test.
This is what the people want. Perfect.
Great job team. I really enjoyed this one and I know how much time and effort it must have taken to put together. I appreciate all of your hard work! And, despite being a BMW owner and fan, I agree with Mark on this one and would rather have the Z for all the same reasons he mentioned. Cars that talk to you and react in an organic way to driver inputs are all too rare these days!
"the hatch allows me to put real items like my suitcase when I leave my family" - best way to describe hatch space
Came here from the Z documentary, nice work on both videos! Makes me want a Z now! (And Jack, nice Cheese Bar shirt, greetings from Des Moines!)
That arcade intro was awesome. Quality all day! Liked!!!!!
This is peak SG, thank you for the amazingly detailed and informative video!
I'm still drawn to BRZ/86 (despite the silicone thing). Sure, knife in a gun fight, but I don't plan on getting into any fights. Plus I have a use for the back seats. 🏁
The Z is sooo close on the styling .. love the back, just wish the headlights were thinner and closer to the original 240
Zed is definitely the nicest design; the Supra is pig-ugly mess of over-styling.
@@andyq9669 to each their own supra for me
@@potatorigs2155 supra is for potatoheads
@@potatorigs2155 The supra is a Frankestein... Theres no opinion there. Its a car design built on top of a platform that it wasnt meant to. The result is a disproportionated mess
@@nov3585cool story
With all the performance data and discussion, I am glad someone mentioned the Supra is "a quieter car" (time index 38:14). See, when you drive 6 hours, or more--road trip, it really does matter, cause you are not always "racing", you do want to talk to the person in the car with you, and even if driving alone, you may want to converse via blue tooth on the phone--or listen to music. So often, especially young people, don't offer one word about interior quietness and believe me, even if you are young, long road trips brings the issue up.
Simply the best and thorough review on not just 2 but 3 cars.
Really loved this video. It's only a matter of time before Nissan does a new Z Nismo and I think that's when the car will really come into its own for true sports/track car use.
With the last gen (370), the difference between the regular model and Nismo was night and day. The new Nismo will be sick!
I’m waiting on the nismo before I buy the z.
I agree !! That’s what I am waiting on to get is the Nismo Z. I feel , and believe that the Nismo will be a true competitor with the Supra/bmw GR. I think it will out run the Supra in straight line and on the track, but we shall see.
@@Mr.Lambert777 an less Toyota put 2 turbo on the b58
A tuned Z would beat a tuned supra easily, you can reach 500hp with the stock engine + bolt ons.
Look at this q60 for example, it keeps up with the supra and it’s heavier than the Z but same engine. th-cam.com/users/shortsH9nU7F3eldw?feature=share
Did I just see a stunt double??
Yes, when you have an insurance policy on your shoes, ankles and genitals they dont allow you to do risky moves. So I had to hire a double.
@@savagegeese do you need any more? Stay safe!
Looking forward to seeing Jack's gorilla double in the future.
@@savagegeese you gotta join scientology for the Tom Cruise stunt specials
Also thanks for arguing such finer details, that I bet a set of Stainless lines to the rears only on the Z would change it on threshold. I would never get that insight anywhere else. Thanks!
BRZ86 is the gorilla in the room here.
Looks like you guys went all out on this one. Can't wait to see reviews for the manual version of both cars.
What a great video.....thank you Mark and Jack.
Phenomenal content, as usual gents. Love seeing these 2 beasts on the roads once again. I was 16 in 98-99 and got to see/grow up with the 300z and Mk4, and then shortly after they disappeared. Fastest car I've been in to this day was a 1995 300ZX TT dyno'd at 574.8rwhp. Hope these stick around awhile. One may be in my future once my 17 Camaro SS gets to it's twilight years. Cheers.
Great thorough review as always. Man, the post review video was epic. 🤣🤣
You guys make the best automotive content on youtube and it's really not even close. There's one other channel that probably rivals you in production quality, but you guys really stand out in the time spent expanding on the intricacies on the technical side and what it means to actually use and own these vehicles. I also really appreciate your sense of humor and showing yourselves which keeps it fun and real, without making it all about you. You've threaded the needle between education and entertainment and in turn made the perfect content. Keep it up!
P.s. I'd love to buy a shirt when they are back in stock
I respect both of your opinions, but my automotive mindset is more in line with Marks philosophy of what a good car/sports car is. I’d take the Z 8/10 times if I had the choice. There’s something intangible about it that’s captivating. I understand statistically, it’s not as good as the Supra, and I can accept that. But, the Z is harmonizing the missed visceral feel of the golden aged sports cars with what youd expect in a modern GT car. To me, that’s a unique offering in an era that emphasizes electronics, isolation, and specifications.
Excellent video and I hope you guys never stop making these. Cheers!
Driving a Plaid made this crystal clear to me. There's so much more to a good fun driving car than power / speed.
you need to drive both to make up your mind. making a decisions around other peoples opinions is a trap. I would guess most would enjoy the supra more, mark seems to put a lot emphasis on subtle differences
Awesome comparison! I'm now even more excited for the Nismo Z to come out
Recent subscriber. Really enjoy the multi layer analysis. Great thought process and rich intellectual multi layer bias from all angles covered. Top notch. Thanks. Appreciate everything I've seen.
Yesssss been waiting all week for this one. Keep up the great content
Outstanding work 👏. Thank you for bringing these awesome videos.
The Z costs less, I think the Supra looks much better. And I'm not unhappy if I get either of them.
No arm-twisting involved.
For some reason I think the Supra is hideous.
Imo the z is the prettier car. To each their own.
@@taaappp same im still pretty salty from the looks of the old concept that i waited to see for i forgot how many years
@@Freakysussybaka I'm big salty bro. I'm happy with the performance but I feel like the character is lost with BMW.
Another amazing video from you guys...it's clear just how much work you put into these videos and we really appreciate it!
Saving up for the Z and when the time comes to buy. Hopefully, the Nismo will be available. Love all of them though.
b58 is a monster of an engine. Id pick it just for that. Absolutely insane power potential.
If only it didn't feel so claustrophobic to sit in.. I was so much more comfortable in the Z / GR86
@Lee Yang I don't know - I sat in it for 2 minutes before I realised I didn't enjoy it. I need to enjoy it to kick ass 😅
I actually prefer the looks of the GR86 but If I could have my choice of the three I'd take the Z
True, but it isn't hard to look better than the Supra. I thought I'd get used to its styling, but it looks as ugly as the first time I saw it. The Z is handsome, but could have been better. The metal swooshes up over the roof and down the back look very generic to me. The overall shape is classic and works great, and the more open, practical interior would make this a much nicer daily.
It’s the supra for me. The fact that the Z is still on an ancient chassis and is slower in every way is a complete deterrent
I'm a person who buys cars n sell them here in Dubai, I used to deal in Z's in particular, I used to love them for I don't know what reason, that old chassis wasn't good, you feel its way too heavier at the front, very tight on space and it was one of the worse if not THE worst when it comes to fuel consumption as these would be your daily cars! only good points were that most of its serviceable parts were affordable. Oh and one major issue with the previous gen is the overheating issue that was there since the year 2009 and till date.. nissan never resolved that simple issue and kept on selling the same crap to people all around the world. That alone was very frustrating that they're not even bothered fixing that flaw for over 10 years!! and by the looks of this new gen, you can tell its the exact same car with new engine and dashboard, they didn't even bother to redesign the door panels or even change the seats a bit, they just changed the color of the materials used... when u sit on that old seat and lean ur head back on the headrest the metalic poles that extends from the rests inside the backrest would push back against u and u'd feel it hitting ur back... that made the seat feel so cheap and I bet you that its still there with that new Z seat
the platform being old doesnt mean the chasis is old you numbnuts... Its slower cause its cheaper on every regard.
@@tareqjawdat6401 The FM platform has always provided almost perfect 50/50 balance weight. Even on their sedan cars like the Skyline. Stop spouting nonsense out of your ass.
what about the supra being totally artificial and the z actually being interactive... still think the supra is better and incredible for the price but those are exciting things about the z
yeah the sad thing is the sup came out years ago and is still more advanced. Sup engine has way more potential than the Z much like the mkiv vs the z32. Is the sup the worthy successor to the mkiv ? No, but the Z is a whole new level of depravity. This is coming from a former z owner. I would never buy this new Z only the C8 Corvette which doesn't cost much more than the Sup.
This really is incredible content. Much appreciated.
The GR86 is definitely a steal for that money, it actually has 245 crank hp, combine that with 1250kg its just perfect, definitely recommend it for people that want to improve their driving skills, fun and fast enough
I'd have to say that of you live in a part of the country with little rain, the a suspension-modified Mazda MX5 is the way to go. Driving on country back roads with the top down is an experience that is irreplaceable with a non-convertible car. So for that $30k range, the MX5 is my pick. Throw in a GR Supra and you have the perfect duo.
@@davepaturno4290 I personally am not a fan of convertibles but definitely a good choice, can’t go wrong with either one of them
Soon as I heard Streets of Rage..I knew this was gonna be a REALLLLL JDM comparison
These cars are so different to what we're being told is the future, but damn these things are so much more exciting. Almost as if these have life and those EVs are just objects.
Savagegeese never fails to impress with unbiased and overly thorough reviews!! 👍🏾
Unbiased 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@dannyd7714 I'm guessing you own a supra and are biased towards it. Savage geese has been consistently unbiased
Great video! Thanks again for taking the time to edit and show us the key differences on these cars!
Great Video guys. Keep on following this format.
Great review as usual. It's amazing how far this channel has come along and how comprehensive these reviews have become!