68k plus Mk5 Supra owner here! I’ve never had any issues with it besides regular maintenance like oil changes. It’s a very reliable sports car, which surprised me considering its BMW components. I daily drive this car and typically get an average of 30mpg, which is pretty good for a sports car! The interior might feel a little cramped, but if you’re short like me (5’6”), it’s no problem! I’ve taken the Supra on multiple 8-hour road trips, and while the seats can get uncomfortable after a few hours, the performance always puts a smile on my face! I came from a 2011 Corolla, so I don’t mind the BMW origins. I’m just grateful to have a reliable sports car that turns heads and won’t break down on me! Overall, I’d rate it a solid 8.3/10!
@@atlslimeball5805. I’ve been driving a 2025 Camry SE for the past three weeks, and I have to say, you’re going to be impressed with the Supra’s performance, especially if you opt for the 3.0 Premium. The driving experience is on another level. However, keep in mind that the Supra requires premium gas. If you’re planning to use it as your daily driver, be prepared to spend around $200 to $250 a month on fuel, depending on where you live Also oil changes for the Supra is roughly $150 if you go for the oil toyota recommends. Worth it if you have the funds, not if you’re trying to save up the most 👌
@@davepaturno4290 the GR Supra is surprisingly a good daily for a sports car. you won’t really encounter any major maintenance issues besides the regular oil changes and tire rotations, etc.
Absolutely. I was stupid enough to own several BMW'S that emptied my bank account often after they were out of warranty, and I've sworn to never own one again. My Lexus's, on the other hand, have been a pleasure to own because they're reliable.
@@michaelmartin4366my neighbors are both doctors. Both drive bmw. They always have new,cars. Like all the time. Every,few months. I,thought man, they are loaded turns out the new,cars are loaners from the dealer. Their cars are always getting fixed. The rentals also need repair. The loners are sometimes loaners for the loaners, lolololol. Horrible cars
WHY would Toyota risk its painstakingly developed reputation for reliability by pairing itself with -- of all companies -- BMW??? Especially on such an iconic car? Smh...🤔
I agree. Too much bmw in this. Why didn't they put the reliable tundra v6 turbo instead of unreliable bmw. Would be better to watch it throw a main bearing
I own a 2020 model and honestly I can easily forgive all the downsides the car has. It's simply a blast to drive on any road or circuit, an easy ECU tune and good aftermarket coilovers really make it supercar fast, has reasonable fuel mileage and is practical for this class. I've been tracking the car 2-3 times a year but had no major issues whatsoever, so Toyota and BMW did an amazing job on this car.
I had a 2020 launch edition and i agree i thought it was an absolute blast to drive. I had a couple gen 3's back in the day so noone wanted a "real" supra with a 3jz more than me but after driving it i got over it pretty quick.
This could be said for any car. I own a 1992 Nissan Skyline GTR that I got in 2015 shipped directly from Japan to here in Dallas. Bought it for 15,000 USD, put 10,000 worth of engine rebuilds and upgrades, maxxxecu and now it makes 850 WHP and destroys current gen supra's etc. I have a 2001 MK4 Supra coming to the states in 2025 once it reaches the 25 year mark and it will be much better then the current gen supra's.
@DJG37S So, your highly modified gtr destroys current gen Supras. You have a mk4 Supra coming that will be better than current gen Supras. Okay, that's your opinion. On the gtr, most people don't want an 800hp car that's barely drivable. For the money, the new Supra is a pretty good deal.
@@DJG37S Good for you, I don't care. You could have a 1000whp car but I'd still rather have a car with 500whp that can put all of its power down instead of constantly spinning its wheels. Controllable power is always faster around a circuit than uncontrollable power.
Chain is in back of engine because the previous iteration of this engine, M version, was prone to "crank hub failure". That iteration had the timing chain at the front of the engine. The timing chain sprocket connnected to the crankshaft/"crank hub" was designed as a friction connection. In some rare instances if the engine was over revved this friction connection would slip causing timing to go out and in worst cases causing engine internal damage. To increase power to the newer iterations they had to come up with a more reliable design. The more powerful engines on the older iteration increased the probability of slippage/"crank hub failure.
@@DylanTK This is such a bullshit excuse from manufacturers to put the timing chain on the back. Audi's been like that for years and it just makes everything so much complicated to service.
A car shouldn't have any issues at all in the first 4 years. The question is what will it be like in another 6 years. BMW's historically do NOT do well at that. No reason to believe this one will.
@@kevindepew8193 I have owned several Toyotas, including a Toyota supra turbo in the 90s. One of the cars that I own currently is a 19-year-old BMW with the in-line six. It has been well-maintained, and I can tell you no 19-year-old Toyota will drive as good as this 19-year-old BMW. It is pure pleasure to drive it. I can be on the highway in fifth gear going 80 mph, and just press the gas and the power just keeps on going into triple digits in fifth gear. It’s really unbelievable. The problem is most people do not maintain their BMWs, not that they’re bad cars.
*I was financially fortunate (and stupid lol) enough to purchase a 2022 GR Supra brand new at the time.* I can say without a shadow of a doubt, it was one of the best decisions of my life. Thanks to the car, I was able to have legitimate enjoyment every single time I hit the ignition and I still look forward to every moment that I drive it. Coming from a base model Honda Civic, I was completely unprepared for the amount of raw power it had but I found myself adjusting quickly. It really handles amazingly and has been an absolute beast during canyon runs, not to mention the constant red light races I found myself in (because literally everyone will want to test you, in a fun and harmless way of course). For those thinking of buying, it will most likely beat out 95% of cars that you run into on a daily basis and that's in completely stock form. With a simple Downpipe and tune, you'll be flying by 99% of cars out there if that means anything to you. I've had ZERO reliability issues in the 2 1/2 years of ownership, but that's expected in a BMW that's been stress-tested by Toyota. Regardless, gotta be keeping up with maintenance if you want to keep it that way lol. Regarding costs, it definitely is higher maintenance than your everyday car. Oil changes are pricy and you gotta get quality German oil, either Motul or LiquiMoly. If you want the car to stay strong, you gotta stay on point with maintenance and those costs start adding up. Also, expect to pay premium prices for any modification for the car whether you're looking for carbon fiber accessories or performance based mods. A CF-Hood for any other car would be around $1K or so but most CF-Hoods for the GR Supra are at $2K minimum. All I'm trying to say is if you're trying to modify the car and make it yours, keep in mind the additional costs alongside the total purchase price of the car. Some clear downsides include: Low visibility bc of how small the windows and windshield are, generally tight interior (I'm 5'10" and would definitely prefer more room although I do understand it's meant to be performance oriented and not luxury), pricier modification costs (it's like companies came together and just decided to charge a premium for Supra products smh). If you're on the fence about buying a GR Supra and none of those downsides are dealbreakers, THEN JUST DO IT! lol but nah, really weigh in your financial situation before doing so. The golden rule always is "If you don't have the money to buy it twice, don't buy it at all". Make responsible financial decisions and if this aligns, then go for it & be prepared for the most fun you'll ever have driving a car. Cheers and holla at me on IG if I swayed your decision! :)
@@christopherdavis7287who tf wants a dinosaur ass engine. We’re in 2024 bud my bmw Supra will smoke both your shit boxes in your pfp. Then you can cry about how it’s not a real Supra some more
I owned two Supra’s in the mid 80’s. Two notable things: first, the horsepower was 150…on a six. HA. Second, the driver’s seat was by far and to this day, the most comfortable I have ever sat in. I am 6’0, avg build and at that time weighed about 175-180. I have added 30lbs, but I bet those seats would still work. I wish I could put these in any new car.
Basically. The LC500 is the true "New Supra". In the classic Supra Grand Touring tradition.. The car featured in the above video, is a cash-grab collab for BMW and Toyota. And in that respect, it's worked out very well! Particularly for Toyota..
I had to throw my 2 cents in after I heard you guys raving about those recaro lookalike seats that came in the 82-86 supra performance models... i had the 82 and when I bought it, those seats just Looked insane and initially felt the same...However ,after a few months of ownership, my lower back started to develop pain Everytime i went out in that thing... it got so bad that I could no longer enjoy my rides in that beautiful car... Despite All the lumbar and other adjustments, they did Not offer the needed support in my lower disc area and I sadly ended up getting rid of it...even short hop drives were killing me... all I can say is if you have the right size frame, bodywise, the seats i Guess work well... im 5' 7" with a smaller build, 160 lbs at that time..no go for me.. I ended up with an 87 rx7 turbo.. those seats literally healed my back over several months.. best seats Ive ever had in a car were those...
Solid content. The opinions and concerns are nice to hear. Thanks for putting this together! The increasing technological/mechanical complications along with more and more reliance on plastic is not my favorite.
I own a BMW motorcycle. One of the things to keep in mind when you own a German engineered vehicle is that they don't engineer their products to give the customer what they want. They engineer them how THEY want them and either you learn to live with the vehicle the way THEY intended or go buy something else.
@@reyperez3424 reliability is a very important part of luxury. no one would buy a Patek Phillipe if it ran for 5 years before things needed repair and overhaul.... and plastics started cracking....
Speaking from personal experience of ownership of a 2022 3.0 premium. Being in Med device sales using this as my commuter covering a large territory, I put a HARD 10k miles monthly on mine & beat the living piss out of her every chance I could with zero issues. Enjoyed it so much I’m planning on getting my second.
i got a 340i same engine as the supra b58. Stage 2 MHD and XHP trans tune. About to hit 100k miles without any headaches. And is super easy to work on. Anybody really dissing the B58 are just old closed minded people who rides the bmw hate.
It has to be said: Your car reviews are THE best. Better than SavageGeese or anyone else honestly. Going into actual mechanic pros and cons are a must (and what people really care about the most).
@@montanatony5838 I’ve driven mine on a 9 hour road trip. It’s surprisingly comfortable and there is enough space for two people comfortably. Biggest issue is you can only really fit two decent sized suitcases in the trunk and there’s no other space/compartments in the car for storage.
@rwac07 Thanks for the feedback, I've taken a few out on test drives, and I like the fee of them, i really love the look of them and 2as really torn between this and the mercedes e63. Both are beautiful and Germanl, well kind of
You are a gentleman and a professional with your overview of this BMW. I get it. I was so looking forward to the opportunity to own a Supra. I had older Celica's way back when I purchased my first Toyota in 1971. Have never looked back and owned Toyota to this day. Still do Love my Avalon. That being said this is a BMW with all the trends of a BMW. So many why did they's. Again, you a too kind and a professional.
I ran into the issue that he said. Toyota dealerships near me didn’t want to service the car and BMW didn’t want to do it either. Traded it In for a Civic Type R and never looked back!
My son has a 2021 GR Premium, we did some exhaust, a spoiler lip in Carbon, Carbon wheel and shift paddles, stereo system upgrades and it is a very nice car now. Beats Mustangs and Camaro's easily and is the best looking car BMW makes, the Toyota emblems also help with resale, which isn't as good on the Z4. The only gripe is getting in and out is a tight squeeze.
My son also has a 2021. He’s done so many mods (yes a new unlocked ECU) and it making an estimated 800+ to the wheels and is still not finished. I say estimated because another owner had the same setup but with a smaller turbo and was rated 815 wheel on the dyno. The B58 can handle about 950 without changing internals, which is next on the list.
As a 24 Blupra driver, I absolutely share your concern about service in the years ahead. The service dept at the dealership where I bought the car may be huge but that doesn't make them competent with a car like this. I also hated the fake vents, which I why I covered all 8 of them in carbon fiber. :)
Thanks for the complete and honest review! I’ve had my '21' for 3.3 years, zero issues. I bought a Toyota backed 3 year warranty so I’m covered for 6 years. 34mpg on freeway, styling always stirs up controversy which I love. Crazy power, ZF transmission is lightning quick. Sounds great and is just the right size for me. I don’t want to drive what everyone else has, I want a sports car that is different. Collaboration of Companies and their products is a reality now. It’s odd that no one says anything about Toyota and Subaru.✌️
The B58 in the Supra is one of the best engines on the market today in terms of reliability and hp. I had this same engine in my 2017 BMW M2(it actually sounds better than my current G82 M4C)and it had zero issues over 4 years of ownership. BMW has really nailed the straight 6 turbo charged engine and the B58 is one of the gems in the line up. You can also throw a lot of power at these engines w/o messing with your internals. I like the new Supra as well and there's a reason Toyota, who have a great reputation for making solid long lasting vehicles, partnered with BMW on this project.
It is a beautiful car. I just got me an automatic because my wife can’t drive a manual. Premium 3.0. And the car drive, very fast beautiful car I love it. 😍
Your wife cant drive a manual, so you bought an automatic....... If she is as "accomplished" behind the wheel as my wife you should have got the manual! Let her drive her car and not your new ride man lol. Too late now but next time (if there is a next time what with manuals almost gone) pretend like the dealer made a mistake and gee golly now your just stuck with this stupid silly manual transmission oh well unless you wanted to wait 2 more months for another hotomatic to arrive!
No reason to worry about maintenance. It would surprise you how many BMW shops have no issues working on these cars. The only worry with maintenance is if you actually need the dealership for anything but that's practically universal to any dealership. I've had my 2024 MT since February and no regrets buying. Certainly a few things that could be improved on, almost all of which you mentioned in this video, but overall it's a great mid-range sports car.
As someone who likes BMW’s and owned a couple of M cars - I wouldn’t have even considered this car if it wasn’t touched by BMW. It’s what makes this car good. The B58 is BMW’s best platform today along with the S58. The external styling by Toyota is just a bonus, it’s a neck-breaking car.
You have only had it a few months, that's tells us nothing. Wait until the warranty expires, you will change your tune. Wait until you have to pay for BMW prices for parts and repair and it's only a Toyota. I look to Toyota to sneak in under BMW and make something that competes and priced affordably. If I wanted a BMW I would buy one, not a BMW dressed like a Toyota. BMW makes way better looking cars so the Supra is a waste of space.
@@Steve-O_FPV That's a lot of typing just to let someone know you're not able to afford one. My daily is a Camry if that makes your "purist" side feel any better.
Your spot on about your comments. I love older BMW M models. But for years now, questionable design and material decisions have made them untouchable. By that, I mean I won't touch them! Bring back the SUPRA!
None of the vents have open sheet metal underneath. You literally have to use a saw to open them up. Not to mention the door vents serve no purpose... they just go straight into the door jambs...
@@bman1668 That's what you've been told. Tunersand reviewers have taken the plastic pieces off (or just look from the other side) and it is solid sheet metal underneath. They are are ready for function as any car's fenders are for widebody kits. You have to do your own cutting.
This car click three major check boxes for me! ✅ it’s a Toyota ✅ it’s a BMW ✅ it’s a Supra These things combined is what made me buy one as soon as they were available. All my favorite things in one package!! Open vents are available, I have mine open. Awesome Awesome vehicle!!
Which label would one rather get? 1. $82,000 BMW, also noting one will genuinely need that BMW dealership maintenance and labor rate. The paint options for that vehicle are the second best paint on any production vehicle. Not much available in aftermarket parts. 2. $62,000 Toyota, very limited options from Toyota, most BMW items will not fit, lots of aftermarket available. Even most consumers see a staggering difference in paint
They already had a dedicated compact car chassis, the GR Corolla is still just a Corolla platform underneath. They did not have a dedicated high-end sports car chassis. That would've taken billions of dollars to develop and prepare tooling for. Everything is not as easy as it seems in car enthusiast armchair car company CEO fantasyland.
Owned a red 2020 Supra and loved it, but yes ..all these little things about it, had me moving into a real Toyota (ie. Lexus ISF) Much happier now. Only miss that Supra exhaust sound.
I'm on my second Gr Supra, and I've never had any issues with them. It's the only car I've owned two of in my lifetime, and I'm in my 50's. I've had Vette's, 370z's, and Mustangs. Nothing is better in my opinion for what I'm looking for in a car.
0:51 - This is actually the first person I heard literally say about the Toyota Supra, that the engine was a BMW Engine and not a Toyota Engine. Kudos to this guy!
I believe that the difference in power on the six cylinder is that the original ones had an integrated exhaust manifold that was built into the head and the turbo charger bolted directly to the head. The improved engine that makes more power has a separate exhaust manifold that bolts to the head and the turbo bolts to the manifold. There may be other changes as well as that that improved the power.
I have owned one of these 3.0 Auto BMW Supras. Best car i've ever owned. Looks glorious, drives glorious, suprisingly practical (did you know the boot size and aperture are designed specifically to fit and hold two spare tyres securely for driving to track days). Every enthusiast everywhere likes it in one way or another. Expect to hear 'nice car mate' and 'nice BMW mate' A LOT. It's the best BMW ever, thats not badged a BMW.
Toyota reliability? Try owing a 2022 Tundra and worry about the engine going kaput at 73mph on the interstate.. total loss of power... and then be told that you would need to have the engine replaced. (well... the fortunate ones got the recall notices)
The powertrain warranty is 5yr/60k miles. Doubt many 2022 had that many miles and doubt many of them went kaput. Please don't be gullible and buy into the hysteria.
i own 2023 AT for the last 11 month as daily, and dont feel any disappointment with this car, only time i have been to the service is to get oil change done by warranty. yes there are couple things, but when you drive this car no one is going to see if there is any fake vents. only thing i wish this car had is remote start and 360 camera. thats it. oh this car is really gas saver, but obviously depending on your driving style! and yes, solid review!
Today, these cars are meant for well heeled folks to lease for few years and move on. It's not like the old days when you could own these long term without breaking the bank.
That’s not true. Porsche builds their cars to last decades. When you consider their smaller suv and the base 911 is less than some pickups these days and I mean 1/2 tons it’s in the same price point as those 1/2 ton pickups. A Porsche Macan is less than a well equipped Ford F150 Everything is ridiculously expensive
@@jimsteinway695 IMS bearing issues and bore scoring issues would beg to differ. And of course, when issues do arise. Actual Porsches (not rebadged VW/Audi SUV's) require the engine to be dropped out for almost anything..
Are you sure about that? A 1994 supra before any options ran you $40,000. Adjust that for inflation, and you're looking at a $86,000 entry price. No wonder they didn't sell well at all during their time! Meanwhile a modern 2024 3.0 Supra is $55,000 for sticker. That's 36% cheaper! This is fundamentally a far more accessible supra than the legendary mk4, and even if we assume chronic reliability issues (which do not plague b58 bmw's), you have $31,000 you can put towards repairs before you've spent more on a modern supra!
My BMWs hum along at over 170,000 miles with no problems. Minimal maintenance. This is the N52, their most reliable N.A. engine. The B58 in the Supra and their current 40i cars is the N52 of their turbo engines.
The B58 engine has been out for 7+ years at this point. Plenty of time to prove if it is unreliable, and seeing as everyone loves to hate on BMW, you would have heard if it was unreliable/breaking the bank by now. It's definitely not perfect, or cheap - but you can't find another new sports car this performant at this price point.
As an owner, its a great car. Comfortable to daily drive but fun for weekends as well. He is right about the service experience. Toyota has horrible customer care and after having gone to 2 separate dealers, I'm convinced to never buy a Toyota again. They gave me the run around for a failed clutch that should have been covered under warranty. Wasted my time then in the end refused to cover the issue.
Each Toyota dealership has at least one Supra-certified technician. And as a BMW repair shop owner told me, "It's not rocket science. With the proper tools and service manual, any good tech can work on a Supra."
Should always take vehicles like these to a specialized local shop. You will probably pay about half for repairs/maintenance at an independent shop that specializes in these brands versus going to a dealer. This goes for BMW, Audi, Porsche, VW, etc. Which a VW shop will be able to do all of the brands I listed minus BMW. But, there's independent shops that specialize in these specific brands, they probably know more about these cars than the dealership techs honestly.. and they're most definitely much cheaper than a dealership is. I've got a few local shops to me, some that specialize in VW, and some that specialize in BMW, so there's a little bit of competition, if they want business they've got to out-do each other with their quality of work and cost.
@@whatta7793 Not if it's under warranty. I think the powertrain warranty is 5 years or 60,000 miles. Plus, even independent BMW repair shops are not exactly low cost.
Hello !! Is there any chance you could do a mechanical review for the Subaru WRX ???? Since it's a turbo and direct injected only, plus the complex Boxer engine, unmodified do you believe it's a good idea to buy thinking about keeping it long term ?
I understand your mild concern with the dual personality of this car when it goes to the shop. My son just bought a GR86, the Toyota/Subaru mashup, and he's wondering about where to go when he needs serious service. My concern with the car is the Subaru boxer engine. I love hot Subees, but I know the engines demand undivided attention. I don't see that as an issue with the Supra, though. Thanks for a thorough review. This car appeals to me in a number of ways.👍
I"m 5'11 195 and have two seating positions on the seat button - one for ingress/egress and one for driving. I have a short thorax with longer legs though, not sure if it makes any difference.
The large amount of plastic and lack of concern for ease of maintenance is by design. Most premium brand cars are leased or bought by owners who will only keep them for 2 or 3 years. There isn't a lot of thought put into the experience of the owners beyond the first one.
Drove a manual from Virginia to D.C in rush hour traffic for years in manual.. it never got old, takes no extra effort really, just use 2 feet instead of 1.
I personally think is a Fantastic car!! And the absolute Best overall Sports Car for the money today. Yes, I know people would say but it's a BMW..but so what! As always great video ❤
The B58 and its predecessor the N55 are outstanding engines and 4-peat and 3-peat world top 10 engine award winners. Their reliability, power, and efficiency are pretty much unmatched.
@@MarbindThe idiocy is great with comments like yours as never owned one! I own a N55 and a B58. The N55 has nearly 200K and I have NEVER had any issues with any of the cooling system, with the exception of the overflow hose, which broke at around 120K. The car is 13 years old and still drives like new. The N55 is whisper quiet at idle and cannot be felt when revving up! The B58 is even better.
The "crying on the comment section" is justifiable. Toyota's premiere, 'halo car' being made by a competing car company is rather shameful.. Don't get me wrong, badge engineering is fine for lesser cars like the Toyota Corolla/Chevy Prizm, Matrix/Vibe, etc.. But for a premiere nameplate with racing history?? Absolutely shameful... And with recent news of Toyota's V6TT's blowing up?!? It's clear Toyota is going downhill, sadly... But, what goes up, must come down after all!!!
@@bliglum Prices are up on everything so I expect future Toyota products to be up also. I think dropping all these new designs in a short period of time we can anticipate some pain and difficulties, but I will believe Toyota will fix the issues with their vehicles. As far as reliability, I have my concerns with the turbo charging and would not keep these vehicles long term. We are already looking at other brands outside of Toyota and Lexus for our next vehicle.
You're a wizard. Appreciate the review. I like to do my own maintenance - but wow having one time use bolts on that big cover and the lack of a parking brake release are deal breakers for me. Imagine needing a tow and your parking brake stays on. Nice review for us more technical folks who also intend to keep cars long term.
It's good to know that the hood latches shake like that. I freaked out for a moment when I found out. These cars are pretty amazing for what they are, just by flashing the TCU, you'll be cutting down on 0-60 and 1/4 mile times.
I love my Corolla GR 100% Toyota and love the performance too. I passed on Supra because it’s a BMW plan on keeping outside the warranty. But still Supra is very nice.
It’s not 100% BMW (even though it uses a shit ton of BMW parts). So the story goes, Toyota actually did a metric fuck ton of durability and reliability testing on the B58 and to extent the rest of the car down to each individual nut and rivet on the Z4/Supra’s platform to make sure it met their strict reliability standards. Any part that didn’t meet those standards was sent back to BMW for re-evaluation. And apparently Toyota also assisted BMW with the creation and engineering of the B58 engine as well (although development of the B58 started before Toyota started collaboration with BMW under the “Silk Road” project). You should read up on the story of the development of the Supra; it’s very interesting
@christopher-gardner Their Emira has been riddled with problems, unfortunately. I had a $3000 deposit on one, but backed out after reading about all the problems that owners were experiencing.
Admittedly, I haven’t really cared for the BMW Supra but this video makes it clear… there were a ton of decisions by BMW that Toyota would have never made themselves. This thing will suck to maintain in 15 years and beyond. Really does feel like Toyota is slipping.
@@Methylphenidate2803 IS and ES, are build on an old platform. Most of the Lexus not including ES and IS, are build on a new platform, also the quality of the interior went down drastically.
@@floggyWM1 Agreed, although comparatively Toyota/Lexus still produce very high-quality cars even with the downgrade seen on new Tacomas, Tundras and etc.
I now wish you would do more reviews of cars by others brands. SUUUUPER interesting to listen and gives true insight into what sets different car manufacturers apart.
I think the last Supra of the 90's was cleaner and better looking. I'm just no a fan of this Supra, just wish Toyota had made it 100% a Toyota. We all know about BMW's reliability problems. This is as bad as Chevrolet going to Mazda to build them a Corvette or Honda going to VW to build them an S2000, laughable.
37:10 strange statement about bmw specialists who dont want to work on zupra because it had Toyota badge. I work in bmw dealership and we even had special diagnostic software for it (just in case). Any technician will be happy to work in car like this even though its same bmw which he see every day. Every time when this car came to our service area it gathers a bunch of people with curiosity in their eyes around it,
This car really stands out amongst the sea of sedans and suv's, really love the look aside from the fake vents. Have a red one too, although I wish it was really a Toyota built car, it's still a good car among the other modern day options for a two seater sports car.
Folks, This man’s car reviews are special unlike the usual journalists who review the cars for a few hours. He fixes cars too.
68k plus Mk5 Supra owner here! I’ve never had any issues with it besides regular maintenance like oil changes. It’s a very reliable sports car, which surprised me considering its BMW components. I daily drive this car and typically get an average of 30mpg, which is pretty good for a sports car!
The interior might feel a little cramped, but if you’re short like me (5’6”), it’s no problem!
I’ve taken the Supra on multiple 8-hour road trips, and while the seats can get uncomfortable after a few hours, the performance always puts a smile on my face!
I came from a 2011 Corolla, so I don’t mind the BMW origins. I’m just grateful to have a reliable sports car that turns heads and won’t break down on me!
Overall, I’d rate it a solid 8.3/10!
I'm 6 feet and it's quite comfortable for me, even wearing a helmet.
@@goatninja5303 That's great to know - thanks for the update. My 2024 has about 3300 miles on it at the time.
Im thinking about switching from a camry to a supra
@@atlslimeball5805. I’ve been driving a 2025 Camry SE for the past three weeks, and I have to say, you’re going to be impressed with the Supra’s performance, especially if you opt for the 3.0 Premium. The driving experience is on another level. However, keep in mind that the Supra requires premium gas. If you’re planning to use it as your daily driver, be prepared to spend around $200 to $250 a month on fuel, depending on where you live
Also oil changes for the Supra is roughly $150 if you go for the oil toyota recommends.
Worth it if you have the funds, not if you’re trying to save up the most 👌
@@davepaturno4290 the GR Supra is surprisingly a good daily for a sports car. you won’t really encounter any major maintenance issues besides the regular oil changes and tire rotations, etc.
I highly trust this Man’s judgement on Cars. He saved me a few big mistakes along the way.
You can’t possibly know that. 😂
@@DM72513I’ll take a Toyota Master Mechanic’s professional opinion over some shmuck trolling yt comments. 😂
What mistake you had in mind? I was thinking of getting a gently used LS460.
Same . Supra is way overpriced lol .
You trust a TH-cam mechanic
as a BMW and Toyota/Lexus owner, at 100k miles Toyota = "Just breaking in", BMW = "things starts breaking"
Absolutely. I was stupid enough to own several BMW'S that emptied my bank account often after they were out of warranty, and I've sworn to never own one again. My Lexus's, on the other hand, have been a pleasure to own because they're reliable.
Totally agreed !
@@michaelmartin4366my neighbors are both doctors. Both drive bmw. They always have new,cars. Like all the time. Every,few months. I,thought man, they are loaded turns out the new,cars are loaners from the dealer. Their cars are always getting fixed. The rentals also need repair. The loners are sometimes loaners for the loaners, lolololol. Horrible cars
Yeah like the 2024 Toyota tundra engine fails 😂😂😂
100k miles = things breaking for domestic cars too, and I'm talking basic vehicles that don't have the high pressures that sports cars distribute.
lol after watching the repair on the door latch, i have a strong hunch on what the answer will be going into this
when the story is spoiled by the prologue
Too much BMW, not enough Toyota!
WHY would Toyota risk its painstakingly developed reputation for reliability by pairing itself with -- of all companies -- BMW??? Especially on such an iconic car? Smh...🤔
@@leojanuszewski1019 because despite the BMWness of maintaining it, the B58/S58 are legendary motors
I agree. Too much bmw in this. Why didn't they put the reliable tundra v6 turbo instead of unreliable bmw. Would be better to watch it throw a main bearing
I own a 2020 model and honestly I can easily forgive all the downsides the car has. It's simply a blast to drive on any road or circuit, an easy ECU tune and good aftermarket coilovers really make it supercar fast, has reasonable fuel mileage and is practical for this class. I've been tracking the car 2-3 times a year but had no major issues whatsoever, so Toyota and BMW did an amazing job on this car.
I had a 2020 launch edition and i agree i thought it was an absolute blast to drive. I had a couple gen 3's back in the day so noone wanted a "real" supra with a 3jz more than me but after driving it i got over it pretty quick.
This could be said for any car. I own a 1992 Nissan Skyline GTR that I got in 2015 shipped directly from Japan to here in Dallas. Bought it for 15,000 USD, put 10,000 worth of engine rebuilds and upgrades, maxxxecu and now it makes 850 WHP and destroys current gen supra's etc.
I have a 2001 MK4 Supra coming to the states in 2025 once it reaches the 25 year mark and it will be much better then the current gen supra's.
@DJG37S So, your highly modified gtr destroys current gen Supras. You have a mk4 Supra coming that will be better than current gen Supras. Okay, that's your opinion. On the gtr, most people don't want an 800hp car that's barely drivable. For the money, the new Supra is a pretty good deal.
@@DJG37S
Good for you, I don't care. You could have a 1000whp car but I'd still rather have a car with 500whp that can put all of its power down instead of constantly spinning its wheels. Controllable power is always faster around a circuit than uncontrollable power.
@@Foiiiii1
You replied to him, so you do care. Good job, you played yourself
Drove both, went with the manual. Very different and more enjoyable experience
Always has, Always will be 😅
I so admire your attitude against these cars. I have the feeling you really have a love/hate relationship with them, still, you stay positive.
Chain is in back of engine because the previous iteration of this engine, M version, was prone to "crank hub failure". That iteration had the timing chain at the front of the engine. The timing chain sprocket connnected to the crankshaft/"crank hub" was designed as a friction connection. In some rare instances if the engine was over revved this friction connection would slip causing timing to go out and in worst cases causing engine internal damage. To increase power to the newer iterations they had to come up with a more reliable design. The more powerful engines on the older iteration increased the probability of slippage/"crank hub failure.
Or they could have just like...you know...keyed the crank hub like everyone else does?
gonna be real hard to replace at 100k
as per BMW, it is on the rear of the engine to reduce vibration and to shift weight back closer to the center of the vehicle.
@@DylanTK This is such a bullshit excuse from manufacturers to put the timing chain on the back. Audi's been like that for years and it just makes everything so much complicated to service.
@@old_dan, i think its an honest reason and legit why they do it, but I do think its dumb lol
Well the cars been out for 4 years and has been reliable as hell. Sure can’t say that for the new tundra and Tacoma .
In Switzerland, for this car, we have a warranty of 10 years...
A car shouldn't have any issues at all in the first 4 years. The question is what will it be like in another 6 years. BMW's historically do NOT do well at that. No reason to believe this one will.
@@kevindepew8193 I have owned several Toyotas, including a Toyota supra turbo in the 90s. One of the cars that I own currently is a 19-year-old BMW with the in-line six. It has been well-maintained, and I can tell you no 19-year-old Toyota will drive as good as this 19-year-old BMW. It is pure pleasure to drive it. I can be on the highway in fifth gear going 80 mph, and just press the gas and the power just keeps on going into triple digits in fifth gear. It’s really unbelievable. The problem is most people do not maintain their BMWs, not that they’re bad cars.
@@kevindepew8193all the plastic tells you everything you need to know
@@RacingS2000Yup. Just wait…
Camera work is getting better every video! Keep it up and thanks for showing us around the Supra! It looks amazing!
*I was financially fortunate (and stupid lol) enough to purchase a 2022 GR Supra brand new at the time.* I can say without a shadow of a doubt, it was one of the best decisions of my life. Thanks to the car, I was able to have legitimate enjoyment every single time I hit the ignition and I still look forward to every moment that I drive it.
Coming from a base model Honda Civic, I was completely unprepared for the amount of raw power it had but I found myself adjusting quickly. It really handles amazingly and has been an absolute beast during canyon runs, not to mention the constant red light races I found myself in (because literally everyone will want to test you, in a fun and harmless way of course). For those thinking of buying, it will most likely beat out 95% of cars that you run into on a daily basis and that's in completely stock form. With a simple Downpipe and tune, you'll be flying by 99% of cars out there if that means anything to you. I've had ZERO reliability issues in the 2 1/2 years of ownership, but that's expected in a BMW that's been stress-tested by Toyota. Regardless, gotta be keeping up with maintenance if you want to keep it that way lol.
Regarding costs, it definitely is higher maintenance than your everyday car. Oil changes are pricy and you gotta get quality German oil, either Motul or LiquiMoly. If you want the car to stay strong, you gotta stay on point with maintenance and those costs start adding up. Also, expect to pay premium prices for any modification for the car whether you're looking for carbon fiber accessories or performance based mods. A CF-Hood for any other car would be around $1K or so but most CF-Hoods for the GR Supra are at $2K minimum. All I'm trying to say is if you're trying to modify the car and make it yours, keep in mind the additional costs alongside the total purchase price of the car.
Some clear downsides include: Low visibility bc of how small the windows and windshield are, generally tight interior (I'm 5'10" and would definitely prefer more room although I do understand it's meant to be performance oriented and not luxury), pricier modification costs (it's like companies came together and just decided to charge a premium for Supra products smh).
If you're on the fence about buying a GR Supra and none of those downsides are dealbreakers, THEN JUST DO IT! lol but nah, really weigh in your financial situation before doing so. The golden rule always is "If you don't have the money to buy it twice, don't buy it at all". Make responsible financial decisions and if this aligns, then go for it & be prepared for the most fun you'll ever have driving a car. Cheers and holla at me on IG if I swayed your decision! :)
The BMW you drive is not a real supra. Get a 2jz bud 🎉😂
@@christopherdavis7287 B58 is the modern day 2JZ, the future is now lil bro 🫵🤣
@@christopherdavis7287who tf wants a dinosaur ass engine. We’re in 2024 bud my bmw Supra will smoke both your shit boxes in your pfp. Then you can cry about how it’s not a real Supra some more
Excellent ,Whipit- I like the cut of your gib.
@@christopherdavis7287and you have neither lol 😭🙏
I owned two Supra’s in the mid 80’s. Two notable things: first, the horsepower was 150…on a six. HA. Second, the driver’s seat was by far and to this day, the most comfortable I have ever sat in. I am 6’0, avg build and at that time weighed about 175-180. I have added 30lbs, but I bet those seats would still work. I wish I could put these in any new car.
The seats in my '85 Supra 1:16 are still superb.
Basically.
The LC500 is the true "New Supra". In the classic Supra Grand Touring tradition..
The car featured in the above video, is a cash-grab collab for BMW and Toyota. And in that respect, it's worked out very well! Particularly for Toyota..
I love my 85 Supra lumbar pump. 😅
I had to throw my 2 cents in after I heard you guys raving about those recaro lookalike seats that came in the 82-86 supra performance models... i had the 82 and when I bought it, those seats just Looked insane and initially felt the same...However ,after a few months of ownership, my lower back started to develop pain Everytime i went out in that thing... it got so bad that I could no longer enjoy my rides in that beautiful car... Despite All the lumbar and other adjustments, they did Not offer the needed support in my lower disc area and I sadly ended up getting rid of it...even short hop drives were killing me... all I can say is if you have the right size frame, bodywise, the seats i Guess work well... im 5' 7" with a smaller build, 160 lbs at that time..no go for me.. I ended up with an 87 rx7 turbo.. those seats literally healed my back over several months.. best seats Ive ever had in a car were those...
I own a 2023. I have zero issue with the seats
He's the kind of old-fashioned mechanic you want working on your car. Decent man and wants to do a good job.
I own a 21 model with the ZF 8 speed.
Great car , drives comfortably long distances at high speed.
Thanks for the review.
awesome brother! Congrats!
Bmw motors worth more than the car
@ I sold it already.
@@willembaaij4098 damn crazy. What did you sell for?
I love this video, it makes me feel like i just brought a supra and this is the user manual
Solid content. The opinions and concerns are nice to hear. Thanks for putting this together! The increasing technological/mechanical complications along with more and more reliance on plastic is not my favorite.
Tonality of speech done perfectly. Everyone can learn something from the way he communicates. Slow, calm, relaxed.
Mk5 owner with 36k miles, and with 30k of those miles with 500 plus rwhp, no issues whatsoever.
Same. Got my 2020 Supra in Oct of 19. Been modified & tuned 550hp. Never even had a check engine light on. Car has been bullet proof! 👍💪
Glad to hear MK5 owners reporting that it’s reliable. Wondering if it will be the same close to or over 100k miles
Best technical review period.
I own a BMW motorcycle. One of the things to keep in mind when you own a German engineered vehicle is that they don't engineer their products to give the customer what they want. They engineer them how THEY want them and either you learn to live with the vehicle the way THEY intended or go buy something else.
Interesting. This is completely contrary to the idea of "luxury" to most people.
Same as Toyota Lexus
Why would I buy something if they won’t give me what I want? That’s dumb AF. How are they even in business like that?
@@reyperez3424 reliability is a very important part of luxury. no one would buy a Patek Phillipe if it ran for 5 years before things needed repair and overhaul.... and plastics started cracking....
Haha and that's why I've never bought a german car or bike
Speaking from personal experience of ownership of a 2022 3.0 premium. Being in Med device sales using this as my commuter covering a large territory, I put a HARD 10k miles monthly on mine & beat the living piss out of her every chance I could with zero issues. Enjoyed it so much I’m planning on getting my second.
My’21 is the same red. It’s not my daily, but I love it! The transmission is probably the best thing about it.
i got a 340i same engine as the supra b58. Stage 2 MHD and XHP trans tune. About to hit 100k miles without any headaches. And is super easy to work on. Anybody really dissing the B58 are just old closed minded people who rides the bmw hate.
It has to be said: Your car reviews are THE best. Better than SavageGeese or anyone else honestly. Going into actual mechanic pros and cons are a must (and what people really care about the most).
I own a BMW and a Toyota, so to me this is a great car and I want to buy one someday.
Buy two so you’ll always have one that starts.
Dude your reviews are A1, nothing else like it on TH-cam
Dream car for the money, love my 22 almost 40k runs great
Would you recommend as a GT? Is it a decently comfortable ride for road trips? Been looking into one, I love the body style, how's the engine feel?
@@montanatony5838 I’ve driven mine on a 9 hour road trip. It’s surprisingly comfortable and there is enough space for two people comfortably. Biggest issue is you can only really fit two decent sized suitcases in the trunk and there’s no other space/compartments in the car for storage.
@rwac07 Thanks for the feedback, I've taken a few out on test drives, and I like the fee of them, i really love the look of them and 2as really torn between this and the mercedes e63. Both are beautiful and Germanl, well kind of
totally agree with everything you said. If you are questioning it, go drive one. I drove an AT ended up with a MT. easily top 3 decisions in my life.
You are a gentleman and a professional with your overview of this BMW. I get it. I was so looking forward to the opportunity to own a Supra. I had older Celica's way back when I purchased my first Toyota in 1971. Have never looked back and owned Toyota to this day. Still do Love my Avalon. That being said this is a BMW with all the trends of a BMW. So many why did they's.
Again, you a too kind and a professional.
I ran into the issue that he said. Toyota dealerships near me didn’t want to service the car and BMW didn’t want to do it either. Traded it In for a Civic Type R and never looked back!
My son has a 2021 GR Premium, we did some exhaust, a spoiler lip in Carbon, Carbon wheel and shift paddles, stereo system upgrades and it is a very nice car now. Beats Mustangs and Camaro's easily and is the best looking car BMW makes, the Toyota emblems also help with resale, which isn't as good on the Z4.
The only gripe is getting in and out is a tight squeeze.
4 cylinder Camaro and Mustang don’t count 😂
@@cormaro13You’re clearly not familiar with the B58.
My son also has a 2021. He’s done so many mods (yes a new unlocked ECU) and it making an estimated 800+ to the wheels and is still not finished. I say estimated because another owner had the same setup but with a smaller turbo and was rated 815 wheel on the dyno.
The B58 can handle about 950 without changing internals, which is next on the list.
@@DM72513 I’m familiar just saying those models don’t count 😂 if it was a ss or gt maybe
How tall is your boy ?
As a 24 Blupra driver, I absolutely share your concern about service in the years ahead. The service dept at the dealership where I bought the car may be huge but that doesn't make them competent with a car like this. I also hated the fake vents, which I why I covered all 8 of them in carbon fiber. :)
Thanks for the complete and honest review! I’ve had my '21' for 3.3 years, zero issues. I bought a Toyota backed 3 year warranty so I’m covered for 6 years. 34mpg on freeway, styling always stirs up controversy which I love. Crazy power, ZF transmission is lightning quick. Sounds great and is just the right size for me. I don’t want to drive what everyone else has, I want a sports car that is different. Collaboration of Companies and their products is a reality now. It’s odd that no one says anything about Toyota and Subaru.✌️
That’s probably because the last collaboration between Japan and Germany didn’t work out too well.
The B58 in the Supra is one of the best engines on the market today in terms of reliability and hp. I had this same engine in my 2017 BMW M2(it actually sounds better than my current G82 M4C)and it had zero issues over 4 years of ownership. BMW has really nailed the straight 6 turbo charged engine and the B58 is one of the gems in the line up. You can also throw a lot of power at these engines w/o messing with your internals. I like the new Supra as well and there's a reason Toyota, who have a great reputation for making solid long lasting vehicles, partnered with BMW on this project.
He did a complete review on the Toyota 86/ Subaru BRZ....and pointed out the positives & negatives, also mentioned that Toyota owns 20% of Subaru 🤷
@@Peanutdenver You had an upgraded N55 in your M2, not a B58
@@mountjoy23 You're right and I feel like an idiot now.
'23 manual owner here, love it. fake vents make me sad but glad the aftermarket support is good
It is a beautiful car. I just got me an automatic because my wife can’t drive a manual. Premium 3.0. And the car drive, very fast beautiful car I love it. 😍
Your wife cant drive a manual, so you bought an automatic....... If she is as "accomplished" behind the wheel as my wife you should have got the manual! Let her drive her car and not your new ride man lol. Too late now but next time (if there is a next time what with manuals almost gone) pretend like the dealer made a mistake and gee golly now your just stuck with this stupid silly manual transmission oh well unless you wanted to wait 2 more months for another hotomatic to arrive!
How much is gas ? I plan on getting a Supra!!
No reason to worry about maintenance. It would surprise you how many BMW shops have no issues working on these cars. The only worry with maintenance is if you actually need the dealership for anything but that's practically universal to any dealership.
I've had my 2024 MT since February and no regrets buying. Certainly a few things that could be improved on, almost all of which you mentioned in this video, but overall it's a great mid-range sports car.
Great stuff man.
May the Lord bless and keep you also!
That made my day when he said that
As someone who likes BMW’s and owned a couple of M cars - I wouldn’t have even considered this car if it wasn’t touched by BMW. It’s what makes this car good. The B58 is BMW’s best platform today along with the S58. The external styling by Toyota is just a bonus, it’s a neck-breaking car.
Got mine in March..no regrets
You have only had it a few months, that's tells us nothing. Wait until the warranty expires, you will change your tune. Wait until you have to pay for BMW prices for parts and repair and it's only a Toyota. I look to Toyota to sneak in under BMW and make something that competes and priced affordably. If I wanted a BMW I would buy one, not a BMW dressed like a Toyota. BMW makes way better looking cars so the Supra is a waste of space.
@@Steve-O_FPV That's a lot of typing just to let someone know you're not able to afford one. My daily is a Camry if that makes your "purist" side feel any better.
@@Steve-O_FPVwhen this looks better than most bmws with insane tunability hahah have fun with ur base 3 series brokie
Your spot on about your comments. I love older BMW M models. But for years now, questionable design and material decisions have made them untouchable. By that, I mean I won't touch them! Bring back the SUPRA!
None of the vents have open sheet metal underneath. You literally have to use a saw to open them up. Not to mention the door vents serve no purpose... they just go straight into the door jambs...
Hood vent and front bumper vents are functional and can be open rear by the door is not .
@@bman1668 That's what you've been told. Tunersand reviewers have taken the plastic pieces off (or just look from the other side) and it is solid sheet metal underneath. They are are ready for function as any car's fenders are for widebody kits. You have to do your own cutting.
@@centripetal25 I own one hood vent is real it has cut already
This car click three major check boxes for me!
✅ it’s a Toyota
✅ it’s a BMW
✅ it’s a Supra
These things combined is what made me buy one as soon as they were available.
All my favorite things in one package!!
Open vents are available, I have mine open.
Awesome Awesome vehicle!!
Which label would one rather get?
1. $82,000 BMW, also noting one will genuinely need that BMW dealership maintenance and labor rate. The paint options for that vehicle are the second best paint on any production vehicle. Not much available in aftermarket parts.
2. $62,000 Toyota, very limited options from Toyota, most BMW items will not fit, lots of aftermarket available. Even most consumers see a staggering difference in paint
So Toyota decided to develop and make themselves the GR Corrolla and Yaris, but let BMW do the entire Supra???
because theyre not going to make any $ selling sport cars so this is like a project
Because they already had the engine from the GR Yaris that was supposed to be a homologation special.
@@tinhinnhoh they are going to make money selling a $40k Yaris. Are you mentally ok?
@@MisterSkizzelsand they couldn't do that under a bigger name of Supra? The excuses are getting worse
They already had a dedicated compact car chassis, the GR Corolla is still just a Corolla platform underneath.
They did not have a dedicated high-end sports car chassis. That would've taken billions of dollars to develop and prepare tooling for.
Everything is not as easy as it seems in car enthusiast armchair car company CEO fantasyland.
Owned a red 2020 Supra and loved it, but yes ..all these little things about it, had me moving into a real Toyota (ie. Lexus ISF)
Much happier now. Only miss that Supra exhaust sound.
I am an original 2013 IS-F owner. How would you describe the driving differences between the two ?
Timing chain behind the engine... that's painfully expensive.
I'll stick with the simplicity of my '85 which I would have a chance of doing repairs on myself.
Only if the timing chain has issues. BMW I6 rarely have issues with timing chains.
@@AgonxOC This.
It's not a Chevy 😶🌫️
Either the transmission goes out or the engine. Choose your poison
@@AgonxOC usually on the 4 cylinders like the early BMW N20 engines
I'm on my second Gr Supra, and I've never had any issues with them. It's the only car I've owned two of in my lifetime, and I'm in my 50's. I've had Vette's, 370z's, and Mustangs. Nothing is better in my opinion for what I'm looking for in a car.
Love the channel!!! I'm looking forward to your analysis of the tundra 24' 💔 after the fiasco
Best advice on TH-cam for cars imo and I have watched a lot.
You are out here doing the gods work! Bets automotive channel for Supra coverage hands down. Me next tho 😉💕
After watching this I love my ‘22 Honda Civic SI even more! I do my own maintenance! 👨🔧
Looking forward for your 2025 Camry review!
0:51 - This is actually the first person I heard literally say about the Toyota Supra, that the engine was a BMW Engine and not a Toyota Engine. Kudos to this guy!
I believe that the difference in power on the six cylinder is that the original ones had an integrated exhaust manifold that was built into the head and the turbo charger bolted directly to the head. The improved engine that makes more power has a separate exhaust manifold that bolts to the head and the turbo bolts to the manifold. There may be other changes as well as that that improved the power.
I saw that red mark II MR2 in the background 😉
That would be my pick all day every day.
👀
I have owned one of these 3.0 Auto BMW Supras. Best car i've ever owned. Looks glorious, drives glorious, suprisingly practical (did you know the boot size and aperture are designed specifically to fit and hold two spare tyres securely for driving to track days). Every enthusiast everywhere likes it in one way or another. Expect to hear 'nice car mate' and 'nice BMW mate' A LOT.
It's the best BMW ever, thats not badged a BMW.
Toyota reliability? Try owing a 2022 Tundra and worry about the engine going kaput at 73mph on the interstate.. total loss of power... and then be told that you would need to have the engine replaced. (well... the fortunate ones got the recall notices)
So this car is good then, right?
@ytj22 yes. Because the bmw b58 has proven to be reliable unlike the v35 in the tundra
The powertrain warranty is 5yr/60k miles. Doubt many 2022 had that many miles and doubt many of them went kaput. Please don't be gullible and buy into the hysteria.
@@fakenews3676I remember when the Supra released and people had to get new engines for excessive oil burning. Lmao
Toyota will take care of you. Their not GM
i own 2023 AT for the last 11 month as daily, and dont feel any disappointment with this car, only time i have been to the service is to get oil change done by warranty. yes there are couple things, but when you drive this car no one is going to see if there is any fake vents. only thing i wish this car had is remote start and 360 camera. thats it. oh this car is really gas saver, but obviously depending on your driving style!
and yes, solid review!
Today, these cars are meant for well heeled folks to lease for few years and move on. It's not like the old days when you could own these long term without breaking the bank.
That’s not true. Porsche builds their cars to last decades. When you consider their smaller suv and the base 911 is less than some pickups these days and I mean 1/2 tons it’s in the same price point as those 1/2 ton pickups. A Porsche Macan is less than a well equipped Ford F150
Everything is ridiculously expensive
@@jimsteinway695 IMS bearing issues and bore scoring issues would beg to differ.
And of course, when issues do arise. Actual Porsches (not rebadged VW/Audi SUV's) require the engine to be dropped out for almost anything..
Are you sure about that? A 1994 supra before any options ran you $40,000. Adjust that for inflation, and you're looking at a $86,000 entry price. No wonder they didn't sell well at all during their time!
Meanwhile a modern 2024 3.0 Supra is $55,000 for sticker. That's 36% cheaper! This is fundamentally a far more accessible supra than the legendary mk4, and even if we assume chronic reliability issues (which do not plague b58 bmw's), you have $31,000 you can put towards repairs before you've spent more on a modern supra!
My BMWs hum along at over 170,000 miles with no problems. Minimal maintenance. This is the N52, their most reliable N.A. engine. The B58 in the Supra and their current 40i cars is the N52 of their turbo engines.
The B58 engine has been out for 7+ years at this point. Plenty of time to prove if it is unreliable, and seeing as everyone loves to hate on BMW, you would have heard if it was unreliable/breaking the bank by now. It's definitely not perfect, or cheap - but you can't find another new sports car this performant at this price point.
I wonder if it will get B58TU2, which adds port fuel injection and supposedly eliminates carbon buildup.
These work long enough to develop carbon deposits?
As an owner, its a great car. Comfortable to daily drive but fun for weekends as well.
He is right about the service experience. Toyota has horrible customer care and after having gone to 2 separate dealers, I'm convinced to never buy a Toyota again.
They gave me the run around for a failed clutch that should have been covered under warranty. Wasted my time then in the end refused to cover the issue.
I find it painful that the memes of it being a BMW are amplified by the fact that even Toyota cannot service it because it's a BMW.
Each Toyota dealership has at least one Supra-certified technician. And as a BMW repair shop owner told me, "It's not rocket science. With the proper tools and service manual, any good tech can work on a Supra."
Take it to a BMW specialist
@@fourpoint64 Not while it is under warranty, unless you don't care about money.
Should always take vehicles like these to a specialized local shop. You will probably pay about half for repairs/maintenance at an independent shop that specializes in these brands versus going to a dealer. This goes for BMW, Audi, Porsche, VW, etc. Which a VW shop will be able to do all of the brands I listed minus BMW. But, there's independent shops that specialize in these specific brands, they probably know more about these cars than the dealership techs honestly.. and they're most definitely much cheaper than a dealership is. I've got a few local shops to me, some that specialize in VW, and some that specialize in BMW, so there's a little bit of competition, if they want business they've got to out-do each other with their quality of work and cost.
@@whatta7793 Not if it's under warranty. I think the powertrain warranty is 5 years or 60,000 miles.
Plus, even independent BMW repair shops are not exactly low cost.
Very in depth review, thank you for the quality content
Hello !! Is there any chance you could do a mechanical review for the Subaru WRX ???? Since it's a turbo and direct injected only, plus the complex Boxer engine, unmodified do you believe it's a good idea to buy thinking about keeping it long term ?
I understand your mild concern with the dual personality of this car when it goes to the shop. My son just bought a GR86, the Toyota/Subaru mashup, and he's wondering about where to go when he needs serious service. My concern with the car is the Subaru boxer engine. I love hot Subees, but I know the engines demand undivided attention. I don't see that as an issue with the Supra, though.
Thanks for a thorough review. This car appeals to me in a number of ways.👍
I'm 6'1" 195lbs and I felt super cramped inside this thing no matter what I did with my seating position.
You big back?😂
@@pawg206 uh… I big… front? (No idea what you’re talking about)
I"m 5'11 195 and have two seating positions on the seat button - one for ingress/egress and one for driving. I have a short thorax with longer legs though, not sure if it makes any difference.
@@paullucci I’m just kidding.. it’s a saying the kids say nowadays when someone is big or fat.
@@MisterSkizzels are you a women?
The thing is.. the Mark 4 wasn't really popping until FF and the aftermarket power add ons.
The large amount of plastic and lack of concern for ease of maintenance is by design. Most premium brand cars are leased or bought by owners who will only keep them for 2 or 3 years. There isn't a lot of thought put into the experience of the owners beyond the first one.
Good thing I was able to see this before buying a Supra. Cheap plastic on car parts is a major red flag
this is a fantastic car, looks, tech, power, even reliability.
Like the little red MR2 sitting inconspicuously in the back corner of the shop!
enjoyed your review, thanks!
Drove a manual from Virginia to D.C in rush hour traffic for years in manual.. it never got old, takes no extra effort really, just use 2 feet instead of 1.
We appreciate the daily videos good sir
Great review. You should do this more often. I can lend you my Audi RS5 B9 for review.
AMD, It must have been tough to decide which channel to post this BMW Supra review on. 😉
Not that hard. Its a review.
No , its TCCN reviews not so tough ! 🤔
Bro!! Thanks for the honesty! Keep up the good work!!!!!!!!!
Fake vents kill it for me.
They're lame, and it would probably be prettier without them, but it still looks ok IRL.
Wish there was a mod to replace them with real ones
For me it's that and lack of ventilated seats.
For me it's that and lack of ventilated seats.
@@BodangersThere is. I think toyota even sells them.
I personally think is a Fantastic car!! And the absolute Best overall Sports Car for the money today. Yes, I know people would say but it's a BMW..but so what! As always great video ❤
The B58 and its predecessor the N55 are outstanding engines and 4-peat and 3-peat world top 10 engine award winners. Their reliability, power, and efficiency are pretty much unmatched.
Great until they need service.
Some of the worst engines ever made are also on that list, including the Northstar V8. Very useful list for finding bad engines
That’s great until they need to take the engine out to replace the damn timing chain. Ridiculous design!
@@7318ify And do the timing chains with no key ways to help time it, just some very expen$ive tools.
@@MarbindThe idiocy is great with comments like yours as never owned one! I own a N55 and a B58. The N55 has nearly 200K and I have NEVER had any issues with any of the cooling system, with the exception of the overflow hose, which broke at around 120K. The car is 13 years old and still drives like new. The N55 is whisper quiet at idle and cannot be felt when revving up! The B58 is even better.
I see car care nut video on Supra, automatic click like.
Great review and mechanical breakdown of the car. Lots of crying on the comment section.
The "crying on the comment section" is justifiable.
Toyota's premiere, 'halo car' being made by a competing car company is rather shameful..
Don't get me wrong, badge engineering is fine for lesser cars like the Toyota Corolla/Chevy Prizm, Matrix/Vibe, etc.. But for a premiere nameplate with racing history?? Absolutely shameful... And with recent news of Toyota's V6TT's blowing up?!? It's clear Toyota is going downhill, sadly... But, what goes up, must come down after all!!!
Proceeds to cry about crying.
@@bliglum Prices are up on everything so I expect future Toyota products to be up also.
I think dropping all these new designs in a short period of time we can anticipate some pain and difficulties, but I will believe Toyota will fix the issues with their vehicles.
As far as reliability, I have my concerns with the turbo charging and would not keep these vehicles long term. We are already looking at other brands outside of Toyota and Lexus for our next vehicle.
@@skatnnofx we are just all whiners.
Loved watching this even though i have no intention of buying one….like meditation…i feel so calm now.
They couldn't install a little hood insulation 🤦♀️🤷♂️
It looks like it has already an insulation (the engine cover might do the job)
Hood insulation? What do you need that for? The engine cover takes care of that. I works pretty well too!
You're a wizard. Appreciate the review. I like to do my own maintenance - but wow having one time use bolts on that big cover and the lack of a parking brake release are deal breakers for me. Imagine needing a tow and your parking brake stays on. Nice review for us more technical folks who also intend to keep cars long term.
Good update keep it up the good work and God bless you 👍👍👍
It's good to know that the hood latches shake like that. I freaked out for a moment when I found out. These cars are pretty amazing for what they are, just by flashing the TCU, you'll be cutting down on 0-60 and 1/4 mile times.
Thank god this is essentially a newer gen BMW.
Imagine if they actually used an “ultra reliable” Toyota motor like the new Tundra V6
Shh the toyota fanboys will hear you!! 😂😂
Thanks for your good video.
Can you do a Mechanic’s review of the 2024 Nissan Z???
I love my Corolla GR 100% Toyota and love the performance too. I passed on Supra because it’s a BMW plan on keeping outside the warranty. But still Supra is very nice.
It’s not 100% BMW (even though it uses a shit ton of BMW parts). So the story goes, Toyota actually did a metric fuck ton of durability and reliability testing on the B58 and to extent the rest of the car down to each individual nut and rivet on the Z4/Supra’s platform to make sure it met their strict reliability standards. Any part that didn’t meet those standards was sent back to BMW for re-evaluation. And apparently Toyota also assisted BMW with the creation and engineering of the B58 engine as well (although development of the B58 started before Toyota started collaboration with BMW under the “Silk Road” project). You should read up on the story of the development of the Supra; it’s very interesting
This is why Lotus is the way to go, lightweight, good power, excellent handling, Toyota drivetrains.
@christopher-gardner Their Emira has been riddled with problems, unfortunately. I had a $3000 deposit on one, but backed out after reading about all the problems that owners were experiencing.
Admittedly, I haven’t really cared for the BMW Supra but this video makes it clear… there were a ton of decisions by BMW that Toyota would have never made themselves. This thing will suck to maintain in 15 years and beyond. Really does feel like Toyota is slipping.
" This thing will suck to maintain in 15 years and beyond"
that could be said about every toyota and lexus built after 2022
What? This car is way better than any actual Toyota now.
@@floggyWM1ES, IS still disagree. As other models too.
@@Methylphenidate2803 IS and ES, are build on an old platform. Most of the Lexus not including ES and IS, are build on a new platform, also the quality of the interior went down drastically.
@@floggyWM1 Agreed, although comparatively Toyota/Lexus still produce very high-quality cars even with the downgrade seen on new Tacomas, Tundras and etc.
I love how you kept calling it the BMW SUPRA.. great review once again❤
The minute he said the engine is ultra high tech, my mind said “lease only”..
I now wish you would do more reviews of cars by others brands. SUUUUPER interesting to listen and gives true insight into what sets different car manufacturers apart.
Best used sport car under 50k
Nice video. Thoroughly and honestly covered! Thank You!!
I think the last Supra of the 90's was cleaner and better looking. I'm just no a fan of this Supra, just wish Toyota had made it 100% a Toyota. We all know about BMW's reliability problems. This is as bad as Chevrolet going to Mazda to build them a Corvette or Honda going to VW to build them an S2000, laughable.
what you think of the ft-1 (what the supra should have looked like)
37:10 strange statement about bmw specialists who dont want to work on zupra because it had Toyota badge. I work in bmw dealership and we even had special diagnostic software for it (just in case). Any technician will be happy to work in car like this even though its same bmw which he see every day. Every time when this car came to our service area it gathers a bunch of people with curiosity in their eyes around it,
This car really stands out amongst the sea of sedans and suv's, really love the look aside from the fake vents. Have a red one too, although I wish it was really a Toyota built car, it's still a good car among the other modern day options for a two seater sports car.