Highly Plant-Based Cavemen Study Triggers Meat Eaters
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- A recent study using more advanced isotope techniques finds highly herbivorous humans and meat lovers aren't happy about it.
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People being surprised that a potato is easier to catch than a deer 😳
More people will surprised to hear that ancient people simply ate what was available to continue to survive.
Potato was non-existent at this time. In fact, it was not even invented in the same continent as these cavemen.
Potato is poisonous, deer isn't
@@MrSidReal no it isn't.
except for the 10 months out of the year they aren't ripe. whoops.
Plants are easier to catch because they are planted in to the ground
Yes, and through many years they have developed thorns, odors, bitterness, antinutrients, and other defenses to make you not eat them.
@@sidsnyder8043 Those just stop other animals from eating them, not me. I can cook and use a digging stick.
@@sidsnyder8043 There are humans that lick other humans buttholes. The plants are going to have to try harder.
@@pattheplanter?
@@sidsnyder8043 Just as with animals, you have squirrels and you have slugs, you have cactus and you have nuts.
As always, it depends on the area. Here's the big shocker... They ate mostly what was available in their environment and the time of year.
Yeah, plus some were nomadic and others stationary. The stationary were primarily the frugivores, in the tropical regions. Areas that got cold, where fruits would take the winter off, would have needed to travel, and eat meat occasionally.
there's a difference between "not dying from starvation" and "having good health". most people were eating mostly plants. because you know, if your environment has no plants, what will your animal prey eat? i.e. big shocker for you: any the time of year mostly available in their environment was whole plant food. and that makes our genes prepared for consumption of whole plant food
@@SergePavlovsky You act as tho harsh winters were never a thing. How about the ice age? What were all those plants they were eating then?
And your first statement kind of made the rest of yours pointless. If they were eating just to survive back then, what they ate doesn't matter now does it?
@@Ryan-wx1bi humans were evolving in africa for 20m years. there were no harsh winters there. what were eating our animal prey during harsh winters btw? during rough times human population plummeted. any animal can eat animal carcass to survive. farmed cows are fed dead animals, that's how they've got mad cow disease from sheep. but cows are not designed to eat animals and humans are not designed to eat animals, human health suffers on animal diet(but bad health is obviously preferred to death by starvation). all great apes are mostly plant eaters. the only digestion-related adaptation in homo sapiens is several(!) mutations improving starch digestion. homo sapiens are starchivores
@@SergePavlovsky 20m years ago? 🤣 Where did you see that? Also, Africa wasn't the same climate then
The data has consistently suggested for decades that Paleolithic man was borderline vegan, but denial is a hell of a drug.
what plant matter was available on large amounts all year round before agriculture?
Theres no borderline vegan, either is vegan or not vegan.
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@@samanfisherman1011 well, in the winter its a lot more convenient to have grain stores than to go out in the cold and hunt. it's not necessarily about things being available all year round- but plant foods that have a shelf life, or that can be stored for winter ex: wild nuts, seeds, grains, and possibly even fermented foods.
They were far from vegan. Lol. Vegans are clowns.
It's kind of unbelievable how much of modern life a lot of people just take for granted when they imagine "primitive" life. Cordage, adhesive, decent cutting tools, etc. They expect cavemen to just magically "have" a nice little Fred Flintstone toolbox, with paleo duct tape, paleo fishing line, paleo WD-40, and paleo steel knives. If you've ever spent time in the woods as a kid, trying to make a primitive spear or anything really, entirely out of natural materials, using self-made primitive tools, you'd know it's EXTREMELY hard to make anything that even remotely functions, and won't just fall apart. Even getting a truly functional cutting edge on a rock requires specialized knowledge of which rocks work, and EXACTLY how to shape them. Plus specialized tools made of multiple completely different materials, and all the knowledge that goes into making those. Seriously, a basic flint-knapping kit is something like 2 different types of stone (1 crystalline, 1 aggregate), antler or copper, wood, leather...
Hafted tools (anything involving a "head" and a "handle" attached to each other) were only invented in the VERY late paleolithic. For the overwhelming majority of human history, we had nothing for handheld tools except ones made out of a single piece of a single material. And even those simple tools are extremely hard to make.
Think about how much work and know-how it takes just to make a pointy stick, if you want it to be a GOOD pointy stick that can ACTUALLY kill an animal, and not just bend or break. You need a straight-grained, strong, solid, sufficiently long and narrow piece of wood. Which will generally be a sapling. So then you need a serrated stone cutting tool to actually cut the thing down (handles won't be invented for about 200,000 years, so no hatchets or anything even remotely like that). Then several months or even a year (of the right weather, to boot) to season the wood until it's no longer green and soft. You need a properly sharp, straight-edged stone cutting tool to strip the bark off and sharpen the tip (grinding wood with rough stones tends to just kind of mangle the wood fibers and weaken the tip way too much). You need to figure out an actual functional shape to carve the tip into. And then you need to fire-harden the tip, which absolutely takes very real skill and experience to avoid ruining the wood. Oh, and then you have to sneak close enough to an animal to use it. And you better not miss. Then you need to figure out how to clean and butcher this thing, which is going to need yet another set of sharp stone tools at the very least. Given the fact that you realistically need the continuous support of multiple people to help you make your pointy stick, you better be sharing your kill with them, and that means you (or someone else) really do need to be able to butcher and fairly portion out the meat. Unless your entire group is seriously going to be content with "hey guys, let's all take turns biting bloody hunks out of this dripping carcass!"
Whereas quite a few edible plants can be obtained and eaten using... just your hands. Or no, you don't actually need hands. You can use nothing but your mouth. Works fine for most animals, right? Walk up to the plant, bite it.
And by the time you can make pointy sticks, the number of plants you can eat is going to be literally thousands of times larger, thanks to all the tools you can make. The tools don't even have to be as good as hunting tools, not like a plant is going to run away because your digging stick broke.
Yes if watch the survivor series 'alone' its plain that while its hard to find food hungry people eat what is around.
‘My ancestors ate vegetables!? Well, now they’re extinct!’
-someone who doesn’t know what ancestry or extinction is
That someone is you 😂
@@ryanwellington7493for the record, this male right here 1) is pretty regularly having meltdowns under videos from this channel 2) got so triggered by this channel that he has left more than 90 comments so far 3) still doesn't know what ancestry is
I wanted to take him seriously but now you see why it's kinda hard so just save your time guys and don't argue with this neanderthal. Have a nice day
@@ryanwellington7493OMG. What a child.
...and they were infertile probs from low test 😂
Right? Lol
6:08 Actually "végétalien" is a term used in the french language to describe someone who eats a strict plant based diet.
It's the first time I've heard this in English..
I expect few French have heard it either. Though apparently the vegan croissant is getting some attention there at the moment.
Oooo, Italian-French fusion vegan restaurant anyone? Good to know :)
@@pattheplanterIn Québec, this word is very widespread. In fact, here végétalien means plant-based and végane, vegan with the exact same connotations
@@Limemill I suspected that might be the case. Which is why I wrote French rather than francophone.
@@Limemill True that. Glad we have bilingual packaging in Canada! Helps out every time we Anglophones travel to French speaking countries...or Quebec...and most of New Brunswick ;)
The first time an anthropologist actually lived with a hunter/gatherer tribe (the Yanomami) and monitored their actual diet it turned out they ate almost all plants, and the calories they obtained from meat was outpaced by the calories they expended in hunting. Meat was also reserved for adult males. Women and children ate no meat at all. Basically it was a status symbol serving no real purpose.
That is fascinating
Meat is what they were looking for constantly because it is healthy. The of the nonsense they ate was just to get the from meal(meat) to meal(meat). I love when vegans lie and now promoting eating meat when they get debunked.
Lies. Women and children ate plenty of meat.
@@GarudaLegendsSource?
Yeah. And recently I read that hunting is done mostly by the men, and it's somewhat for fun . Sometimes they would get unlucky for multiple hunts, which would get them frustrated, and they would stop and just chill for a month, walking around visiting other tribes, dancing and sleeping. Not the tribe you mentioned , but others. Basically quite irregular, almost on a strictly "I'll do it when I feel like it" basis :D (at least that's my impression from reading the text).
That would explain human paleo poop containing up to 100g of fibre.
I thought they ate factory farmed beef. 🤔
The mighty hunters walking through the supermarkets with their sharp credit cards
😂😂
They sure did not eat the franken foods we eat in grocery stores. Do you think they had the modern version of vegetables and fruits ? You think they ate avacodos flown in from Brazil ? Hahaha
@@edgbarra They’re so brave 😏
@@sidsnyder8043 Of course not. Noah brought the avocados over on the Ark. 🤗
It all comes down to the motivational triad - hunting is energy intensive, risky, and potentially life threatening. To think it was ever more effective or preferred to gathering/agriculture is kind of absurd.
"hunting is energy intensive, risky, and potentially life threatening" It's not just that. If men left the group to hunt, they put rest of group to higher danger to be attacked and killed by predators or some enemies.
You dont seem to realise this argument applies to all animals - so why do carnivores exist?
@@mcmcpoi-ra7405 Real carnivores are much better at hunting. But they don't get much of anything else done in this world. Humans learned to cook and saved themselves a lot of time to do something other than eating and sleeping.
@@mcmcpoi-ra7405 ah yes because we are naturally as good at hunting as lions. you really thought you did something with this lmao
that's why red meat has hypoxanthine, a stimulant. so it triggers the brain's dopamine center as a drug, rather than calories from food. Hennce, meat becomes a drug, and if drugs are involved, a person will ignore risks and danger to get said drug. It's what addiction is, and that's Carnivore animals put themselves in danger for it. All carnivore animals are essentially "Drug addicts"
I keep seeing people complain about the cost of corpses are at the grocery store. Support farmers, not harmers folks...
Because meat is the healthiest food on the planet and meat eaters live the longest comparedto vegetarians, and far longer than vegans. No one wants meat, the healthiest food on the planet to cost more than garbage like beans and plants.
Corpse tho
Yes, I complain about the cost of everything. It has been inflicted on especially the poor and middle class by the politicians and elites. Everyone has the right to affordable food, regardless of what you choose to eat.
@@sidsnyder8043
No, because the true costs of environmental damage by animal agriculture is hidden and payed by the tax payers and future generations and not the consumer, which is wrong!
@stephss
... Crop farming leave the most corpses behind in the farm and you support it.
I read that modern hunter gatherers get the greater proportion of calories from plants not from animals, as a species we are gatherer-hunters.
@ScienceNow- as a vegan, I have to admit that we do have adaptations for eating animal products, not omnivorous but opportunistic.
Fascinating research, but ultimately no surprise. Plants don't run away x)
Sounds like they officially need to change the name of the Paleo diet. It can be a diet, but you can't lie about it being paleolithic.
It fits for the humans living in much colder climates, where they rarely found edible plants.
@@Gaia_Seraphina If they could not find plants they would avoid going there. Every place humans go to live there are summers.
It never attempted to be paleolithic. That was always just a lie. How many avocados do they think were cultivated in the paleolithic?
Also, every 100 miles, paleo diet becomes something different.
You'd need a time machine to actually eat what they ate during the Paleolithic period.....fools.
I think it is relevant because our anatomy and physiology has evolved accustomed to consuming certain foods, but the carnies massively overblow how much meat we ate throughout most of our species history. They look to eskimos and medieval Vikings as examples, and they’re more the exception than anything else. We came from Africa and the Middle East, that’s where we spent most of our history, those people to this day eat very plant based. Not exclusively, but mostly, particularly in the past when they didn’t have cattle ranches. You can’t wait to hunt something every time you need to eat, and that meat isn’t preserved for long. It stands to reason that people would take advantage of the foods already available in their environment.
Yeh. They were so much plant based that they is no mammoth left to tell the story 🤣
@@fabienpaillusson7390 you think we killed them off? The end of the ice age had nothing to do with it? Was this when Jesus was riding dinosaurs?
Yeah this should be obvious but unfortunately they lack the ability to think critically
We secrete amylase the mere thought of eating to break down complex carbohydrates into glucose. I don't think that's changed we do it in our mouth and small intestines. We still don't have an exogenous need for taurine like true carnivores. The length of our digestive track and so on has not necessarily changed all that dramatically. We do metabolically adapt though various ways. And that's why I always say let's not stop evolving, what kind of future do you want to have? One full of concentrated animal feeding operations and slaughter houses or one with peace gardens and greenhouses? The more we focus on doing what's best the more we will adapt in that direction.
@@fabienpaillusson7390humans can devastate ecosystems and push animals to Extinction extremely fast, in just a matter of century or less. Yet we've been evolving for like 6 million years. We almost pushed Buffalo to Extinction in a mere 80 years. So much for your logic...
Angry necrotic food eating trolls seem pretty active today. Meat seems to make people hostile.
"Of the mouth of man which is a tomb . . . there shall come forth loud noises out of the tombs of those who have died by an evil and violent death." -leonardo da vinci
it's like meat eaters are just coffins and the corpses inside are crying and whining in exasperation like life is a horror movie, for some reason
Morlocks are that way.
Right cuz no one's ever seen an angry vegan before lmao.
How about not being so divisive and having such a "us vs them" mentality?
@@DragoNate it's not just 'anger' and 'hostility' that vegans tend to notice as peculiar coming from meat eaters on a regular basis.. it's also bizarre attempts at convincing them to come back to eating meat, through harassment or arguments that pose as science or whatever else the meat eater thinks will strike a chord in the vegan who's listening. i'm not targeting you in an attempt to change your mind about your lifestyle choices, but you're reading this and thinking of how to bother me for being vegan
@@HummusPizza When did I challenge you about your diet? You replied to me, I didn't even know of your existence until you replied. If you're saying I'm somehow clairvoyant, I appreciate the compliment, but I'm not.
I gave no science, I gave no claims, I pointed out that there are indeed angry vegans and told NOT-you (but also you and everyone, really) to not be so "us vs them" with their way of thinking.
You, however, have made many assumptions about me & pointed fingers. Either you're projecting or you're trying to bother me for being...well idk cuz you know literally nothing about me :)
So...stop being so divisive and "us vs them" yeah?
Have a good day!
isn't it better to say 'ate mostly plant based'? cavemen probably didn't have a staunch aversion to harming animals
The title of the article is meant to get people's attention. That's media for you.
Plant based doesn’t necessarily mean plant exclusive .
It switched to mostly plant based very recently when agriculture started. It was not the case for millions of years.
@@mutafitis That's my point, they weren't plant exclusive. They were mostly plant based
Watch BitesizeVegan on ancient/historical ethical vegans and Lawrence Anton on a vegan composer.
👍 Whole food plant based for the environment and health; vegan for the victims!
You mean like the millions of rodents, rabbits, groundhogs, insects, and other creatures that are killed through agriculture ?
@@sidsnyder8043 Through agriculture like harvesting 100x more than necessary just to feed it to livestock? Yes. By eating apple directly instead of filtering soy and grass though an animal body you kill way less mice. I always respect enlightened fruitarians such as yourself.
There are big environmental impacts for veggies and meat. Not just one or the other. If you're curious about veggies impact, a simple search on the interwebs will show you all kinds of studies
Considering that animal agriculture results in 20-fold more animals being accidentally killed many times more than that intentionally and only results in less than 20% global food intake If you care about crop death stop eating animals that eat plants. And learn about trophic levels. You got a lot to learn about actually. @@sidsnyder8043
@@Ryan-wx1biYes but energy is lost when you eat animals, again learning trophic levels. It takes way more plants when you eat animals. So there's intentional killing and accidental killing. Furthermore I can take you to a veganic farm where there's no animals being killed, actually I can take you to a lot of them. And then we can go visit a slaughterhouse. And guess what, the feed they're giving them comes from the worst monocrops that are the most pesticide and herbicide laden deadly of them all because they want the cheapest trash they can give animals that they abuse and slaughter. You haven't thought this through at all have you
Thanks for recommending Seed, Mike! It's really benefited my health.
The only reason people even think animals were a main staple is because of modern agriculture and animal farming. People have zero concept of the past and just how hard it would be to hunt all the time. The only reason the Inuits made it so long is because of fishing, not hunting. Even then they never established major populations.
There are still cultures on the planet that exist with stone-age technologies. They don't have any problems hunting, all of them are omnivorous.
We know from Isotope studies from the long bones of fossils, that they ate mostly meat.
@@Hroethbertyet not carnivores
Big animals are slow and easy to hunt.
@@sebk174 Not necessarily, if you look at large animals in Africa today, a Cape Buffalo can run 35 mph, a Rhino speed is 35 mph, an elephant 25-35 mph, an ostrich top speed is 45 mph, and a lion can get up to speeds of 50 mph. Compare that to Usain Bolt, one of the fastest humans, runs at a top speed of 27 mph.
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This fits perfectly with my theory that people are whenever they have the opportunity.. a bit lazy.
Way easier to eat the random plants about than spend ages hunting, with the added risk of getting gouged, bitten, trampled on etc etc
But also going with that theory collecting shell fish, snails and other slow moving non-dangerous creatures was pretty popular too
Genesis 1:29 says human beings were originally vegan.
It never said that. That is a lie and a lying is a sin.
@@GarudaLegendsi just checked. 29 Then God said, “I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. 30 And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds in the sky and all the creatures that move along the ground-everything that has the breath of life in it-I give every green plant for food.” And it was so.
Not only humans, it seems like every animal was eating plant-based
@@GarudaLegendsaccording to that, before we started to sin, we were all vegans. Maybe we could go back to what God intended for us to eat originally 💚
@@edgbarra humans were never vegan. Lol. They ate meat before God told them they could eat plants. Ironically they sinned eating a fruit and not meat. The fall of man was because of a fruit. 🤡
And....the "world to come" also is vegan...
The book of revelation mentions eating fruits, but not meat. And the OT prophets talked about the lion lying down with the lamb.
Love your channel Mic, keep em coming!
Thanks for your work Mic, very interesting information, it makes sense, veggies don't run fast! The original 'fast food'!
Whats more time and energy consuming; walking for miles to, on average, not take the animal. Or, grabbing some berries from a bush as you pass by.....
People, then as now, were mostly lazy. Im gonna bet they took the easy route.
Even brown bears in NA today will take berries over salmon if they both "come into season" at the same time
Yup. Hence the term. “ low hanging fruit.”🙂
Scavenging and insects
Everything alive in nature tries to conserve energy
Indeed. The last thing I read about hunter-gatherers, or at least their modern analogues, they would prefer to just casually gather some plants, and spend just 2-4 hours gathering and prepping food, which would last them for several days. A lot 'lazier' than modern humans, who are forced to work for their survival 8-10 or even 12-16 hours a day. (Probably more than 8 , since typically in my experience the 8 is just a legal proclamation on a piece of paper that's not enforced or made sure to work as intended , but in practice they have ways to make you go more, more often than not.)
I was brushing my teeth when i sprayed everything onto my mirror on your "vegetalian" joke HAHAHAHAHHAHA.Thank you for that. 😂
I always appreciate how you break down the articles!! Love everything you do, it really helps educate not just myself but others who have questions about living a vegan life style :3
I'm WFPB now for 9yrs. Keep up the good work Mike.
That's amazing!! Do you have some advice for new ones?
Yes, keep on spreading the word, so we can have more people with autoimmune diseases, and mental illness.
@@edgbarra Don't skip D3 and B12 supplementation, you also want to eat iron rich foods with a source of vitamin C and not have caffeine at the same time as this limits absorption. Make sure to include some energy dense foods if you don't have a big appetite, avocado or starchy vegetables are a good bet. Learn how to make a few healthy meals that cover all of your nutritional requirements and are easy to make at short notice.
@@SubjectE57 @edgbarra great advice, plus maybe add a good algal omega 3 to preserve brain health in your later years (80-120) as a vegan as we can go healthily beyond the typical lifespan.
What amazes me is the cognitive dissonance. The diet of lifestyle of beings thousands of years ago was so different from the available foods today. There is no comparison for similarities in foods or activities. "Cavemen" were not sedentary by any means. I am amazed that so many "paleo" supporters think that all the "meat" consumption came with such ease (no calorie expenditure)etc.
Just take the muscle and fuse it to your own meat mech, no need to digest! REAL MANLY MAN!
They sure didn't go to a grocery store and pick up fruit, vegetables and fake meat and eggs, like people do today. There were no potato chips and honey buns either.
@@sidsnyder8043 100%
@@sidsnyder8043 aand this is your excuse for being needlessly cruel now?
@@Brukner841 Cruel ? This diet saved my life. I value my life over any other animal species. Also, how do you get it is cruel ? Have you ever been to a farm to watch a pig or cow get harvested ? I didn't think so. Besides, if you Vegans had your way, all farm animals would never get to live and become extinct. If that is what you want, would you aso be okay with the extinction of Vegans ?
The more reliable data comes from the flinstones animated series which says humans are meat ;)
I'm strictly Vegenadian
Perhaps even Veganlander
Veganenglander has a nice ring to it! Sending best wishes from the UK.
@@helenhucker346 Vegangle?
Of course, since trapped in the Meatrix :)
Vegitist here.
Highly plant-based cavemen? I can already hear all the bloodmouths crying and coping.
That would be vegans crying hunter gathers literally hunted all the time and ate plants. they ate meat and were far from vegan
👀Bloodmouths?l😂 I'm gonna use this one. Meat free for 13 years. Have NO reason to eat meat. I feel MF grrrrreat.
@@GarudaLegends .... aaaaaaaand there you are.
@@GarudaLegends
@@user-wv8ju3dw8s and here is another vegan video promoting omnivore diets that has meat in it, and not vegan at all. Vegans are so pathetic and sad, and now promoting omnivores diets. 🤣🤣🤣
Eat meat and live long.
Great video! Thanks!
Heyy Neanderthals were lovely people though. They practiced medicine and cared for their injured and weak individuals, they played music. They were human.
"No, even when they ate plants, they were accidentally eating insects. So, it was always the animal protein!" 🤣
Must’ve missed that quote.
@@user-no2mz9hl4f It is not in the video, just something a denier might say.
@@practicalpisces Gotcha.
No insects much in cold areas
What scientists really need to study is why people feel the need to build their identify off of what foods they eat…
just want good health I think
I love this stuff too 😊. Thank you.
This study can be easily replicated today. Take anyone and put them out into the forest or the jungle, and tell me what you think they’re going to eat first. Even if they could catch an animal, it would not be very often. It just makes sense that you eat What’s easily accessible to you. And the reason a lot of people eat a lot of meat is because it’s been made easily accessible. I don’t know why there’s so many arguments about this. It’s just common sense.
If you know the plants, and our ancestors likely knew what was edible and where it was likely to grow, fruits, nuts, legumes, roots, and other various plants are the most consistent sources of calories and nutrients around.
Basic logic suggests that you want to spend the least amount of energy you can to get the most food you can while minimizing risk.
On this note, I'm reminded of a video I watched where a survivalist was asked what the best insect to eat was in a desperate survival situation, and his answer was "whichever one catches you a fish".
@@Kenshkrix absolutely! Clever statement about the fish :-) someone else pointed out that cultures, different tribes also mattered and what was around them in that particular geographical location. So I guess these arguments about plant base and carnivore diets will go on forever… Personally, I believe we go through phases and seasons of eating more or less of each. and because of the current state of our food sources, we have to be extra vigilant about how it’s obtained, and where it comes from. If I was stuck out in the forest, I would probably eat what’s inside the kernels of the nutrient rich pinecones :-) at least that’s what’s near where I live.
That is why they had bows, spears, sharp stones, and became efficient hunters.
@@sidsnyder8043 That definitely helped humanity survive through a lot of rough times and in harsh environments, especially in places that had rough winters.
Even with all of that though, it takes more energy and time to hunt, there's the risk you don't find anything or catch anything, there's risk of injury.
It's just not a great deal if it's a good time of year to forage plants.
@@creativesolutions902 You common sense lacks. Even today in a forest or even in a jungle you will barely find edible plants. In that locations it's impossible today and in the past to survive by eating mostly plants.
I have been hoping that you do a video about isotopes. Thank you.
are you not aware that the authors reported that this is a highly unusual finding? Meaning that almost all other findings show that early man was eating a predominately meat based diet. They also reported that there were many cavities in the fossil record, meaning they obviously weren't eating their intended diet as it was eroding their teeth. Slightly important points dont you think.
[cues Prince] Contro-versy! 🎶 As time passes, and more evidence for a plant-based diet having been normal for many human populations living in more temperate climates arises, the pushback will become increasingly more hysterical. Let's be ready. Thanks for posting, Mic!
I think it already is😮
Average people logic
Fred Flintstone eat lots of meat = cavemen eat lots of meat
Are you watching " my little pony" too?
Thanks!
AND THANK YOU!!
This was awesome! Thanks for doing this 🙂 you made me think of the term antagonistic pleiotropy that Nick the Nutrivore turned me onto.
My oldest daughter is only 37 and has been "paleo" for years and is on the verge of getting her gallbladder cut out ..... I am 30 years older and take no medicines and my gallbladder still ok .... I've been vegetarian off and on for 25 years and fully plant based for 7 ..... just sayin...
High cholesterol diets can destroy your gallbladder. Gallstones are also known as "cholesterol stones."
@@karlwheatley1244 most gallstones are from oxalates. That's super easy to research.
@@sebk174 Thanks for your reply. "most gallstones are from oxalates."
Abstract
A plant-based diet has been shown to reduce the risk of cholesterol gall stones. This risk reduction is supported by the fact that vegetarians, and especially vegans, have a much lower prevalence of risk factors for cholesterol gallstones such as reduced risk of obesity, insulin resistance, Type 2 Diabetes and Crohn’s disease.
Pregnant women are particularly susceptible to cholesterol gallstones due to the impact of weight gain, insulin resistance, leptin increases and hormonal changes. Since treatment for extreme hypercholesterolemia with medication during pregnancy is risky, a plant-based diet is indicated.
A plant-based diet excludes foods shown to increase the risk of cholesterol gallstones such as meat, poultry, fish along with the heme iron, saturated fat and dietary cholesterol which have been shown to increase cholesterol in gallstone disease patients. At the same time, a plant-based diet includes fruits, vegetables, whole grains, legumes rich with fiber along with mono and polyunsaturated oils, which have been shown to reduce the risk of cholesterol gallstones.
Citation for this article: Rose S, Strombom A. Gall stones - prevention with a plant-based diet. Adv Res Gastroentero Hepatol. 2020; 14(3):555891
Factors Influencing Gallstone Formation: A Review of the Literature
Abstract
Gallstone disease is a common pathology of the digestive system with nearly a 10-20% incidence rate among adults. The mainstay of treatment is cholecystectomy, which is commonly associated with physical pain and may also seriously affect a patient’s quality of life. Clinical research suggests that cholelithiasis is closely related to the age, gender, body mass index, and other basic physical characteristics of patients. Clinical research further suggests that the occurrence of cholelithiasis is related to obesity, diabetes, non-alcoholic fatty liver, and other diseases. For this reason, we reviewed the following: genetic factors; excessive liver cholesterol secretion (causing cholesterol supersaturation in gallbladder bile); accelerated growth of cholesterol crystals and solid cholesterol crystals; gallbladder motility impairment; and cardiovascular factors. Herein, we summarize and analyze the causes and mechanisms of cholelithiasis, discuss its correlation with the pathogenesis of related diseases, and discuss possible mechanisms.
Keywords: gallstone disease, bile acids, obesity, diabetes, non-alcoholic fatty liver, cardiovascular disease
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And of course, high-fat diets greatly increase bile production.
Take care.
Don’t let the facts get in the way of a good story!
@@rickys7435 Well, diets that are high in animal fat and cholesterol are a good way to wreck a gallbladder.
The Inuit are closest to real carnivores that have ever existed. However, even they were far from total carnivores. Aside from the fact that their "meat" was mostly fish, rather than red meat, whilst they also ate large amounts of berries, roots, and seaweeds of various kinds. Without these, no Inuit would have survived beyond childhood.
Inuit in modern day Canada ate a whole lot of sea mammals. Tons of them.
An excellent film, from the National Film Board of Canada, is from 2012 called "Vanishing Point". A documentary of 2 Inuit groups in the circumpolar north of Greenland and Canada (Baffin Is) . It shows traditional and modern hunting techniques and tool kits, formation and repetition of legends, etc. It is also a beautifully shot film with gorgeous lighting and photography. An important document of a quickly disappearing group of humanity, their environment, and most of food chain which supported them.
The scene where Inuit children net sea birds, break their necks, pulling open their chests, and eating them whilst still warm, is stunning to me!
forgot to mention that the netting and eating birds scene also shows natural empathy of children to the 'little birds' and the adult explanation normalizing eating animals.
Right. But there seems to be some unique properties to sea mammals that other land mammals typically don't have. Their adaptations to cold and staying underwater for extended periods of time, somehow corresponds with them having high levels of vitamin C in their skin among other nutrients, and high levels of glucose (so carbs) in their muscle tissue compared to land mammals , which also get preserved for along time even when butchered, since the environment in which the Inuit live, is a natural fridge or a freezer.
They are kind of an outlier , so what they can do can't really be transferred to people in warmer climates.
@@mitkoogrozev ummm....my understanding is a very thick layer of blubber is the main adaptation of high arctic sea mammals. Both a regular, frequent food of Inuit and a preferred taste. I am curious about your claims tho so please do cite your sources and thanks!
@@drunkvegangal8089 Which one exactly? Vitamin C in skin? I think that was specifically in the beluga whale, although there are other sources too, like sea kelp, reindeer liver and few others.
Anyway, It's from various videos who's main subjects were not about the Inuit specifically, but they've mentioned things about them since it was relevant to whatever the subjects were, and I don't really remember where. Most of the things I watch or read I don't save to track down later for random youtube comments :D .
The freshest thing I have in memory that might be relevant, would be the wiki page on "Inuit cuisine" . That's the name of the page itself, so you'll find it easily.
For anything else I guess you can just do a keyword search for anything I've written and you'll surely find something that way too. Or phrases based on something I've written.
Whilst studying for my anthropology degree I was always stuck by how books and profs and research kept showing that humans (hominins) were, essentially, 'lazy' and to conserve energy would eat whatever was in season/migrating and abundant. At the same time, we were given to believe that groups of males would go out hunting regularly; putting themselves at physical risk while expending huge amounts of energy (calories) to return with dead animals - or maybe not. Made no sense.
Digging roots, tubers, and shaking nuts and fruits from trees; gathering mushrooms, berries, grass seeds, greens (and seasonal eggs) meant far less risk, allowed almost the entire population to participate, and returned more calories with less effort (aside; digging roots meant small animals would occasionally pop up and a whack with digging sticks would be the easiest way to obtain meat). At the same time, meat procurement was used the mark special and seasonal events (liminal manhood rituals, annual animal birthing and migration events, fish spawns resulting in natural large death events, etc.)
As stated in this video the archeological record is very good at preserving bone and stone artifacts but much less so with soft, perishable items; from clothing to footwear, food to bamboo or wooden tools - hence a bias for what we thought our ancestors were doing due to the imbalance of 'hard evidence'. As confirmation, relatively few stone tools exist in areas where bamboo was abundant
Not true, even the Native American Indians migrated to follow the herds of buffalo, elk, and deer, because that was their main food source. A couple large buffalo could feed the whole tribe for weeks. The Plains Indians had very little source for plant foods.
Always love to hear your input!
@@sidsnyder8043 Interesting. Kindly cite your sources - as Mike did for this video. PS, if you ever get a chance I recommend visiting "Head Smashed In Buffalo Jump" in Alberta, Canada.
In order to have animal bodies last a long time (weeks or months), people would have had to dry them (early food processing technology) which takes both time and, sometimes, fire/smoke.
People would need to both stay put, and then, everyone would have to pack around multiple kgs of pemmican (which can contain herbs like sage and all manner of local berries).
Of course, these scenarios would be entirely time-period dependent in the Archeological Record - as would the most recent and common way Plains and Prairie Indigenous people prepared their meat; boiling.
Every one of these foodways were possible in the Plains and Prairies of N. America but starting about 10,000 y/a so not till after the end of the Pleistocene Epoch (I specified Pleistocene in my initial comments).
@@sidsnyder8043 Did you learn that while studying your anthropology degree?
The Kicker - it's all made up! Everything is geared to corelate with the heliocentric model, human evolution, the big bang they brainwash you with since childhood. Carbon dating is a joke. No way they can tell if any living things are any older than 20 k years and that is even in serious doubt. The Facts are (this is where Mic runs away) - there is zero scientific evidence for human evolution, the heliocentric model is a cult, a lie a made up story Easily proven false with 5rd grade physics. It would violate the 2ndlaw of thermodynamics. Mic would have to show repeatable testable cause and effect relationships for human evolution and he Cannot do that as it does Not exist.
Great Video!
Haha yesss.
These carnies would be mostly vegan if they had to use sticks and sharp rocks to hunt.
Constant electrolyte supplement dependence isn't trait of carnivore hunters?
Exactly. Go hunt with hand tools while starving and then tell me some foraged plants don’t look good after a few unsuccessful days of hunting. 😂😂
So true.
@@MictheVegan , Poor innocent animals. You don’t want to be in their shoes👈🤥. Longest living people on Earth, are vegan.
PIaque forms eating animals. Plant-based/vegans don’t have pIaque ✅♥️😬🐒🐵🦧🦍👱🏼♂️👩🏽😉. Buddhist monks most of them are vegan ✅♥️💪😬😉.. rice, quinoa, beans, and lentils, and oats, fruits and herbs and spices, yeast B12 tablespoon, every day, is the key to healthiness ✅😉
Nice delusion
Excellent, thank you!
Thank you for pronouncing Neanderthal correctly!
I thought it was obvious that our ancestors ate a large variety of foods and that of course means a lot of plants. But this is just one study and we know that some populations were hunting mammoth and other large mega fauna, so I think it's reasonable to assume that how much meat each population ate varied a lot, just like it does today.
this results are logical, we as humans simply doesn't have any specific physiological adaptations to consumption of meat.
That is a lie. Meat eaters live longer than vegetarians, and far longer than vegans.
Humans are biological omnivores thats a fact
@@Assassin99584 all animals are basic omnivores. The categories are purely ethological. In fact millions of cows were eaten rest of animals during years, if not yet in the hormoned animal food they received.
@@anonimogonzalezperez4951 no they aren’t there’s herbivores omnivores and carnivores
you failed biology and anatomy I assume. what a stupid comment
For a number of years, with amusement, I have followed meat eater TH-cam videos. On my back-wood journeys I think of having to survive on the food that nature provides. The point is that plants don't run away and hunting kills off the game.
There are no plants avaliable any store that ancient man would have ever eaten. They are all man made to be sweeter, bigger, smaller seeds and available all year round. There is no way that any humans could have survived eating only the native plants.
You could make an identical statement regarding animals, couldn't you? And yet they did, right up until the middle of the C20th at least. Pretty much, only the rich & the powerful ate meat."
Figs are ancient foods, they populate the African savannah outcroppings today
@@woodlakesound You're correct. And there are different species of figs that flower & fruit at different times, meaning that there's a fairly constant supply of them. If we observe our nearest relative primates today, they move around feeding from them at different times.
Gener's right but not not complete. Unlike today's singular hybrid crops, there were & still are, many species.
@@woodlakesound there's always exceptions. But what percentage of the world population was eating figs more than 10,000 years ago?
@@gener.1253 “there are no plants available any store that ancient man would have ever eaten”
This makes sense to me. Since coming to the knowledge that God does exist and that we matter to Him, I have also learned that we are not suppose to eat meat. It seems logical to me that people killing and eating innocent animals would not please the creator of all things- a loving God that loves all innocent creatures. I remember reading in Leviticus about how God desired the sacrifices and how the smell of burning flesh is pleasing to him, and this was very disturbing to me, even though I was a meat eater at. that time. But in many of the writings of the prophets, God laments over such brutality, wondering where His people got this idea that he wanted these sacrifices. In Hosea God says "For I desire steadfast love and not sacrifice, the knowledge of God rather than burnt offerings". Too much of what is written in the Bible is a lie. There are historical writings that indicate that the apostles and earliest believers in Jeshua were vegetarian or vegan.
Fantastic
This went from "important amount plant matter" to "mostly vegan" really fast. If you actually READ the source it concludes that the sampled population in North Africa some 14,600-11,500 years ago might had been actively producing certain grains like alfa-alfa. (That is they were starting agriculture)
And they came to the conclusion because certain isotopes point towards that they ate more plant matter than previous populations. They dont say how much, only that the difference is statistically significant.
Personally I don't see that in their data. Statistically this might be true, but they only had samples from max 17 individuals or maybe as little as 7 and the values are all over the place.
Even worse evidence in the research in favor of lots of meat eating in the past. Maybe we are starting to get somewhere closer to truth.
To add to this even on the surface level this study is a nothing burger. 13000-16000 cal BP isn't that ancient. Moreover it's obvious the shift to growing your own food (Agricultural revolution) comes AFTER the food scarcity (Holocene extinction of large fauna caused by humans) so finding evidence people still had to eat something in-between isn't controversial at all even for a diehard carnivore. The notion of plants being a 'survival food' is popular among carnivore community anyway. They don't deny people have been eating a lot of plants in the recent history either (for the obvious reason being the meat scarcity).
@@user-nz4un6se7y The actual reality of hunter gatherers of all ages is that they ate whatever was available for them. For any hunter gatherer society it is food scarcity that limited their population. There are hunter gatherer societies in tropical islands without large animals and they ate over 90% plant based food. There were hunter gatherer societies in the far north where very few edible plants and they ate over 96% meat. No hunter gatherer said no to any edible thing just because it was meat or plant based.
Vegetarianism, carnivore diet any particular diet (the idea that you pick and chose what you eat) really is the product of comfort.
@@adam-k You describe an opportunistic feeder. I agree, the modern world has provided oppurtunity we never had in survival situations. Perhaps we should use this oppurtunity and try to make the world better by aiming for reduced environmental degredation and suffering through choices the majority of us now have.
@@cazzawazzadingdong5139 I agree and we can do that not by vegetarianism but rather reducing food waste, overeating. By favoring sustainably and locally produced food whatever that may be even if it is more expensive. In the US 40% of fruit is being thrown out simply because they are not pretty enough. Reducing food waste in the US alone would end world hunger today, if someone would pay for distribution cost.
Want to save the planet? Buy the ugly food!
Also by looking further than our dinner plate.
Vegetarians have decided that the suffering of a single pig is more important than the suffering of thousands of mice, rabbits, foxes and birds that are killed for producing plant based food. Killed by ploughing, by pesticides, by pest control.
Being vegetarian for the sake of "reducing animal suffering" is the most short sighted ideology I ever heard of. It is dreamed up by people who had no idea how the world around them works.
If you have a natural forest far away from humans with 100 wild boar in it. Every year 250 of them have to die to maintain a stable population. And a stable population is a healthy population. If they don't die then they destroy their habitat eat all their food and then they die of starvation and their population collapses to 10-15 animal. It is not the adult animals who die but the young and the weak. So every year 250 boar would die of horrible death. Die by predators, by diseases, cold or heat.
Eating meat does not increase animal suffering and not eating meat does not reduce animal suffering. The only thing vegetarians do is to look the other way.
Vegitalian is actually a vegetarian Italian restaurant in Amsterdam, so you were not far off😂
Keep it up, Mic 🎸
Such a great vid Mic. Science rules!!!!
Hahaha, There is no nutritional science that proves long term cause and effect. It does not exist.
There is Zero science in this video. Science and we Are taking Natural Science here as it deals with observable phenomena in nature, requires the use of the scientific method to establish cause and effect relationships of naturally occurring observable phenomena . There is none of that in this video. By strict definition if Science is claimed where there is None - that is Pseudoscience. @johnshinski2994 - you just told Mic he practices pseudoscience!
The carnivore crews are running from severe gut issues without realizing that plants are actually key to healing the gut microbiome.
There must be an oxalate and phytate free type of plant that is capable of healing the biome because these so called superfoods and healthy veggies ruined my gut health and my immune system in 10 years of leafy greens and nuts and seeds along with sweet potatoes. Oxalates can and will wreck your health in a matter of time. Some people make it 2 years and some like myself make it 10 years and never quite figure out that the root cause to their arthritis and autoimmune is a toxic accumulation of phytochemicals. I am on 3rd year of no/low oxalate diet and getting better but still not quite normal. Sally K Nortons book Toxic Superfoods explain everything.
Not even close to the truth. Educate yourself on antinutirents found in plants. I healed my gut issues with Carnivore. You been lied to.
I always thought that human ate more plants given how people hunt today..Humans are obviously more like scavengers rather than predatory hunters given that they are not really that good at it.
FYI! In French “végétalien” is vegan or plant eater, so they probably got to that word with a literal translation
Everything triggers meat eaters.
must be the hormones lol, the real "soy boys"
I'm also enjoying the carnie cope parade, but I would question the premise of what a "caveman" even is. Because it seems like humans were building civilization from day one. There have been, however, cyclical disasters occurring every 6000 years or so, likely related to long-term sun cycles, magnetic polar excursions, etc. Our history isn't a long, slow upward progression like we were taught. Historians like Matthew LaCroix, Jimmy Corsetti, Randall Carlson are doing great work fleshing out human civilization going back at least 50,000 years, possibly far older.
Carlson is not an anthropologist, nor geologist, but has a background in architecture. Lacroix doesn't appear to have had formal training in anything doing with history or anthropology, and the same goes for Corsetti. At best they're amateur sleuths, but at worst they are conspiracy theorists/hacks. I don't assume that someone with no qualifications who is "asking quations" is credible. To the contrary, anyone who can be described primarily as a "YT personality" or "independent researcher" is less credible because they have had no education in primary data or how to assess it.
A lot of "it must have been this way because I thought it" and no hard evidence. Right?
I agree that new finds keep pushing back when we think humans were "civilised" but id be conservative and wait for good evidence. I believe the oldest ruins found is Gobekli Tepe?
13000-16000 cal BP isn't that ancient. Moreover it's obvious the shift to growing your own food (Agricultural revolution) comes AFTER the food scarcity (Holocene extinction of large fauna caused by humans) so finding evidence people still had to eat something in-between isn't controversial at all even for a diehard carnivore. This study is a nothing burger.
If we ignore Vegan considerations, which is most about the ethics of sentience.
Humans absolutely are frugivores. Which is a specialization of omnivore before the omnivores start objecting.
we were also opportunistic scavengers.
I genuinely think that every single claim given to meat about developing bigger brains and yada yada can be attributed entirely to the fact in the cradle of humanity even before we became sapiens, the local waters would have been teeming with duckweed (Massive source of B12 brain vitamin and most are up to 50% protein)
And wild honey. Honey is exceptionally prized among many mammals including those we consider lesser, even they have invented basic honey harvesting tools.
It was prized in the age we manifested too and in combination with duckweed, would have given us all of the energy we need as a species to level up.
Honey is plant nectar that has been swallowed and vomitted up a few times and mixed with enzymes.
it is plant based, but with bees having to process it.
I am absolutely certain that we can hand pick a selection of good gut biome bacteria that can process the sugars in the right way so that we can make an entirely vegan honey through the Kefir route.
I name it, Nectar Kefir. and you can mix in the juices of a lot of fruits for different flavours and benefits and biodiversity.
If you time it right, you can get all of the nutrients from your fruit and reduce your fruit based sugar intake by a LOT by letting the bacteria have it first.
I'm yet to watch the movie. I am of the opinion that eating meat is an adaptation we only start after taming fire (to cook) and refined hunting techniques. When you present me a human that salivate when he sees a pigeon, or a mouse or a cat, then I will be convinced humans are mainly carnivores.
You are absolutely right, it doesn't matter that much what we ate back then as we, like other primates are primarily plant eaters, thrive on plants, but are also opportunistic when it comes to survival however.... In Your Face Vegan Haters and Carnivores!!!!!!!
This is not based on any science, it is all spin doctory and opinion. As a Carnivore, I don't hate Vegans, you can eat all the vegetable matter you want, as long as I can eat what I want. My body, my choice.
@@sidsnyder8043 Your body your choice, but you don't give other beings any choice about their bodies. The science supports plant based diets in history and in health outcomes but I'm not going to get into a yes it does no it doesn't debate with you. You are not a carnivore, you are a pretender and if you are going to compare yourself to an animal then you should call yourself a vulture.
@@flattlandermontgomery1524 What if someone who is Celiac along with an oxalate intolerance and phytate sensitivity and lectin intolerance and can only eat meat and water or live with autoimmune issues our entire life? Are we pretenders? The carnivore diet saved me and my families life. Not everybody can absorb the nutrients from plants. Best to be fair and not lump everybody in the same category as we are all different and not everyone has developed the biome to handle these plant defense chemicals.
@@maczilla07 You have very messed up digestion from years of eating a terrible diet. I would suggest working with a plant based doctor that specializes in gastrointestinal issues. A specialist can help to figure out what can and can't be tolerated and why that's happening. They can also help with building a stronger microbiome. An elimination diet can be very helpful but it's not a good long term solution as you are just trading one set of symptoms, (very serious symptoms from the sound of it) to another set of very serious symptoms down the line. It's best used as a tool to create relief while healing the gut. I'm very sorry for the suffering that you and your family have endured.
@@flattlandermontgomery1524 Actually truth be told I went plant based in around 2018 after watching some cool plant based docs. I was not aware I had oxalate intolerance along with deficiencies from celiac disease. I hung in there until my thyroid went south and 3 months of bedrest. The oxalates wrecked my health. I am still not right but improving each day. Unfortunately my choice of foods, Nuts, leafy greens, beans, sweet potatoes, brussels, okra, avocado and such just so happen to load me up with oxalates over 5 years. I recently heard about a meat and water diet which was the one thing i never tried and 9 months is and I am finally sleeping great, fatigue is almost gone and I have really good days which lets me know how awful I have been feeling in the past. I am going to have to stick with this grass fed beef and water diet as I have suffered as much as I am willing with plant chemicals. I did a some veggies last week and felt off for a couple days with sleep issues. Finally back on track with the meat .
Way to strawman, Mic!
1. I've never seen a carnivore suggest that all ancestral humans ate exclusively meat, especially not a mere 5,000 years before the agricultural revolution was in full swing. How do you think they figured out planting fields of grain - overnight? Meat was, however, the primary survival tool of the ice age.
2. No one can eat the same foods they had available back then, even if they wanted to. Breeding has modified it all, especially fruits and cruciferous veg, but definitely livestock as well.
3. The fertilizer and glyphosate pods grown today are lifeless abominations of the healthy plants of even 100 years ago, leaving meat as the most nutrient-dense and least inflammatory food source we have left.
4. We're omnivores. Meat is the most essential item and hardest to substitute adequately, but with technology, some people can pull it off for a long time. I can't. I'm only a carnivore out of necessity in this artificial, brave new world.
"Meat was, however, the primary survival tool of the ice age." During glaciations, most humans still lived in tropical lands where there were abundant plant foods, and more recent research reveals even more plant eating by Neanderthals than previously understood.
"Meat is the most essential item" Meat isn't essential at all. I haven't eaten any animal foods for 11 years and feel great.
"leaving meat as the most nutrient-dense and least inflammatory food source we have left." Speaking as a researcher, I feel the need to introduce some information you may not have heard yet. Calorie for calorie or pound for pound, spinach is more nutrient dense than beef liver and kale is more nutrient dense than steak. While red meat is inflammatory (due to heme iron etc.), whole plant foods are super anti-inflammatory, and have far more anti-oxidants than animal foods do.
"No one can eat the same foods they had available back then, even if they wanted to. Breeding has modified it all, especially fruits and cruciferous veg, but definitely livestock as well." That's true, and that's why we need to rely on current research on what diets are healthiest, and in that regard, for overall long-term health, diets dominated by WHOLE plant foods are consistently healthiest.
Take care.
@karlwheatley1244 we are highly adaptable, and there's not one single food type that we absolutely need for survival, but of them all, some kind of meat is the most, or closest to essential. The bulk of the stuff you've been eating for 11 years has been aimed at replacing it because of this fact. The B12 factor alone proves this, and there's much more to it as well.
"Calorie for calorie" spinach and kale win, yes, because they aren't caloric foods. "Pound for pound" (not even considering the poor bioavailability as we convert only 5% of beta carotene to vitamin A for example) spinach and kale do not win. They're roughly on par with steak per chromatography with oysters and eggs beating them both. Take bioavailability into account, and leafy greens are really mediocre and come with increased risk of kidney stones to boot.
Finally, you didn't even address the bad top soil robbed of the nutrients that are supposed to be supplied by rotating animals through every 3 years. Your precious spinach is severely lacking its reported nutrients on most farms today, and is loaded with carcinogens, deuterium, and PFAS.
@@pondboy3682 "but of them all, some kind of meat is the most, or closest to essential." Actually, fruits and veggies seem more essential for health.
If your theories were correct, then vegans should have higher micronutrient deficiencies than omnivores, but they don't. Why has research found that vegan athletes are able to add muscle as well as meat-eating ones? Chromatography can't tell you how foods are processed once the body becomes adapted to a new diet and gut bacteria and digestion changes dramatically.
What I eat isn't aimed at "replacing" meat any more than what you eat is aimed at "replacing" greens.
The bioavailability of beta-carotene from plant sources ranges from 5-65%, so you chose the lowest possible number. This is not something vegans eating any sort of balanced diet have a problem with.
The kidney stones thing is mostly if you eat a lot of three specific greens, but vegans don't have any particular problem with kidney stones, nor do populations who eat lots of leafy greens historically.
"Your precious spinach is severely lacking its reported nutrients on most farms today, and is loaded with carcinogens, deuterium, and PFAS." Unfortunately, lots of industrial and agricultural chemicals are biophilic, which means they naturally accumulate at very hgh levels in the fat of animals. As a result, for a wide range of toxic chemicals, meat eaters have body burdens that range from 30% higher than that of meat-abstainers to 100X higher than that of meat abstainers, and the gap grows larger the longer the meat abstainers refrain from eating meat. The rule of thumb for de-toxing your body is to eat low on the food chain--all plant foods if possible--and to eat organic for those plant foods that get sprayed more (strawberries).
Again, long-term research consistently favors diets dominated by whole plant foods for overall long-term health. That's the ultimate metric of what works best.
Take care.
eople are convinced dead animal flesh is optimal health, most cannot imagine a life without meat even if they are unhealthy. Carnivore and denial are synonymous WFPB4LIFE!
I mean, the logic is there. We're animals, so it makes sense to eat animals to replenish lost cells and grow. Plants are made out of plants... it takes a lot to convert that material into something useable for animals. 98% of plants are not edible, while 98% of animals are.
@@shiftgood Lame, wrong, and your delusional. Addicted? Animal Ag must stop
@@shiftgood that is ignorance,, not logic. Carnivores run down, and kill their prey generally consuming the genitals and butt cavity first.
They are not mad but trying to remain in denial. Animal Agriculture is one of the 3 largest industires on earth
13000-16000 cal BP isn't that ancient. Moreover it's obvious the shift to growing your own food (Agricultural revolution) comes AFTER the food scarcity (Holocene extinction of large fauna caused by humans) so finding evidence people still had to eat something in-between isn't controversial at all even for a diehard carnivore. This study is a nothing burger.
Just got home from work and I see a new Mic the Vegan video. Excellent way to unwind after work. 👍
Vegetable Police needs help.
Why?
He always needs help, that's what his content has been for years.
There will be an eatery called "Planterie" which will serve completely plant-based dishes on the
new Norwegian cruise ship "Aqua". Aqua's first sailing will be in April 2025.
Might be worth contacting Norwegian cruises with some recipes?
& maybe offer your services on their first sailing?
Cool video. ❤
The only thing I cannot figure out about the vegan diet is there is no 100% vegan cultures in the world. You would think that a group or tribe would not be able to get meat and only eat plants and become super healthy and just never go back to meat. I think the vegan diet eventually catches up to everybody. I did it and I got weak. Some people do well longer than others but eventually it’ll get you.
Absolutely. Maybe you need to go through all of it yourself first, through years of trying to "do it right", of taking all kinds of supplements consistently, of doing research and of still seeing your health deteriorate on all kinds of levels.
Then you need to be ready to put your own health first and to do what every other species on this planet does (that has not been taught to loathe their own kind): Follow your instincts when it comes to food.
Also, there is no ethical diet. As a vegan, I was obsessed with eating and needed to stuff my face constantly with food to feel halfway satisfied. I reckon I was responsible for far more crop deaths back then than I am these days, now that a couple of eggs are enough to feel full for half of the day.
All vegans have left now at this point is their appeal to authority (fallacy). So they keep throwing studies at you without realizing that people, particularly ex-vegans, don't consider them worth the hard drive space they take up.
Sure there are, and they've been around since the 1930s. They're called Rastafarians. Plenty of vegans pushing well into their 90s btw after being vegan for 50+ years.
@@spamuraisensei322 some are some aren’t. I’m talking about the whole community Western price traveled all over the world and could never find a completely vegan group of people.
Vegetables are healthy. So is meat. There’s tons of nutrients like creatine and taurine that are crazy healthy and proven to extend life in animal studies and have good human studies. Not saying you have to eat tons of meat, but eliminating any food source like the vegan diet eliminating meat or milk or organ meat or skin/collagen or eggs is dangerous. These cavemen ain’t vegan cause there’s an advantage to eating meat/fish/eggs/dairy. Kefir is the healthiest food on the planet imo.
Back in the 90's I read a book by Richard Leakey where he speculated our ancestors' food was 70% plant based.
I read a book by Lichard Reakey in the 00`s and he speculated our ancestors food was 95% animal based.
I feel like it just makes a lot more sense. It's actually not easy to catch an animal, and particularly with the tools they had. You watch Naked and Afraid and you see how many times the people starve and so focused on protein.
Nuts, Beans, Legumes. Seasonal fruits and vegetables (keep in mind much of what we eat today was a byproduct of human domestication) Grain pastes/Porridges. Heavy Herb diets. General forage, like Mushrooms. Eggs. As well as what could be hunted or fished. It could be argued that following herbivore populations was a solid way to ensure they were kept with active foraging grounds themselves.
These were people, though. They would for sure have different societal standards and culture practices, but for the great bulk of humanity meat proteins were supplementary.
This doesn't change the fact the majority of hominin populations in the last 2 million years averaged 65%-80% animals of their total dietary intake. You can cherry pick outlier samples all you want it won't change that fact.
It's not a fact. No where near one. Not even into the middle of the C20th & beyond. It's wishful thinking.
@@jonahwhale9047 all we evidence we have on the subject seems to suggest otherwise, stay in denial 😂
@@ryanwellington7493 Early evidence was based on more rudimentary technology which has now been surpassed. Obviously, animal remains last far longer & more obviously than plant food remains which is why the error arose. The early archeologists thought it was all that ate.
Now we're able to pick up residues of plant remains & so, as with this paper, the picture has changed.
All the same given how little the rest of your life is based on caveman lifestyle, it's bizarre & illogical to hang on to just this one.
@@jonahwhale9047 the figure I gave takes into account all data including newer research, you're trying to change the consensus based on a couple cherry picked samples with outlier populations.
13,000 years ago is pretty close to the agricultural era. The carnivores are more concerned with the period from 4 million years ago until about 200,000 years ago
There was a video about that too, and the presented studies found no correlation with meat consumption and evolution of brain size, which is what typically the carnivore proponents claim (meat = brain growth). In short the video showed that meat consumption up until human evolution has not increased but was always just steady, and the innovation of cooking might have been the more important thing. That corresponded better with change in brain size, and the diminishing size of our jaws. Cooking of what tho? That's up in the air. Judging by the heavy plant based diets even of a lot of pre-humans had , could be cooked wild legumes, tubers and grains among other things. There was one hypothesis that early cooking might have been 'natural' initially. That is, after a natural fire, pre-humans would go through the area and when they dig for tubers (potato-like root veggies), some might have been cooked by the fire and they would eat that. And eventually they got the connection and would do it more purposefully, once they figured out how to start fires themselves. Which is millions of years before humans.
I mean if we think about groups we know about that live or lived off the land such as native americans, tsimane, hadza, etc… they all eat a mix of animal and plant foods. So I think it’s safe to assume that humans were eating a mix of both for a while and the ratio of animal to plant probably varied according to availability. Humans as a whole are very versatile and can be healthy at least in the short term on a wide variety of diets with the exception possibly of those with extreme food sensitivities. Judging for myself having experimented with many varieties of diets I feel I do best with a similar mix of animal and plant foods.
You're right. This study is a nothing burger. 13000-16000 cal BP isn't ancient. Moreover it's obvious the shift to growing your own food (Agricultural revolution) comes AFTER the food scarcity (Holocene extinction of large fauna caused by humans) so finding evidence people still had to eat something in-between isn't controversial at all even for a diehard carnivore. The notion of plants being a 'survival food' is popular among the carnivore community anyway. They don't deny people have been eating a lot of plants in the recent history either (for the obvious reason being the meat scarcity)
I’m sure in warmer climates, during the weeks that they could, they sampled some of the things coming from the ground, but I’ve not yet seen a prehistoric cave wall stick figure chasing a head a broccoli with a stick.
Another point to make is that every decade or so, the beginning of civilization is getting pushed back further and further on the timeline. For example, there are some sites in Turkey that are dated to 13, 000 years that show clear signs of very real and semi advanced civilization such as numerous homes, underground clay piping for sewage (!), evidence of relatively high population density, etc, etc. What did such people eat? If they were all hunters and living off meat, well the animals in the area would have gotten decimated pretty quickly. Clearly they were growing lots of crops to feed that population (and of course there is plenty of evidence of agricultural practices there).
It wasn't that long ago that people thought that civilization only went back around 6, 000 or so years. It is now more than twice that age. And I suspect that it will keep getting pushed back as we learn and uncover more and more (literally and figuratively).
From the study link for this video, the hunter gatherers started some form of animal and plant domestication about 23,000 years ago. Agriculture was fully established 10,000 years ago. The 6000 years you mentioned was biblical. That was when written recording began and civilization flourished.
Yeah duh. Our teeth are obviously meant to grind not tear.
That's why we started cooking stuff Fire was invented quite a while ago. Our brains give us the ability to eat the meat. We don't need sharp teeth so why would we have them?
Vegetalains 😅 is that Italian vegetarian 😅
Vegetariano / a is the Italian translation!
Vegetalian is french for vegan
@MictheVegan will you be bringing some copies of your Level 5 Vegan book to the Vegan Camp Out this year?
It only exists digitally at this point but I should look into printing it, thanks!
@@MictheVegan that would be fabulous. As long as it's not at a loss to you. I'm probably in the minority these days, but I like printed publications.
It's ok to be vegan or to be carnivore. It's not ok to be anti-vegan or anti-carnivore. Live and let live.
I love it. Our ancestors were Hunter GATHERERS! And they mostly ate what they gathered not what they hunted. This is guaranteed to make the keto-carnivore crowd go all APOPLECTIC!
fantasy cavemen, they need a myth to worship
Animals are hard to catch.. they probably didn't eat them often.
If gathering fruits, seeds and other plants was an option, I'd imagine not many would spend days walking hunting animals to exhaustion. It was probably just in winter or something like that
Scavenging and insects.
Yep! Wild animals who are actually carnivores and are predators even have a hard time. I imagine it was nearly impossible for our ancestors.
@@NapaValleyVegan
Actually carnivores were also hunted by our ancestors.
So prehistoric humans ate mostly plants in some places and mostly meat in others... It is like humans are omnivores after all.
we aren't as we can't stay in peak health if we eat animal products throughout our lives, they start to affect us.
@@Brukner841 hmmm... But then again, could you stay in peak health eating only plants, say 200 years ago before B12 and other supplements were invented?
@@Mario-forall perhaps you could have, B12 would have been everywhere, but that doesn't pertain to current circumstance.
Interesting. I'm myself a carnivore and have settled many ailments of mine since then, but it's always good to enlarge the picture we have of what could have widely sustained human populations back then. There aren't yet comparative results about illness induced by those different diets. I would suspect maybe they would have more cavities or things like that eventhough I wouldn't generalize the abscess mentioned in the study about El Sidrón cave.
Well, if it works for someone, keep eating it. That's the conclusion.
It's about time this is mentioned and known . Be vegan for the animals and end their abuse and exploitation.
Fck no
Wow, non-nomads depleted the local animal population and had no choice but to increase plant consumption to an unspecified "substantial" level. Where do the researchers indicate that the studied population ate mostly plants?
It is absurd to assume that if you have to survive you would hunt a lot. wastes too much calories and the rewards are too small compared to just you know picking up the calories EVERYWHERE.
Of course, instead of hunting nutritious easy digestible meat, we are going to eat indigestible plant matter which is poisoning or killing us.
Mostly vegan, yes, but not exclusively. That is the crucial thing.
Animals are not food they are our friends neighbors and family
It's so weird to think that someone over the age of 12 would often make comments like that 0:17