Dr. Peter Attia: Red Meat Causing Cancer is "Nonsense"
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Dr. Peter Attia defends red meat consumption. Is he an unbiased source or is he actually the jerky king?
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Meta on Red Meat and Cancer
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Healthy Diet +10 Years:
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Regularly Exercise up to +6 years:
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2023 Study on Red Meat and Many Cancers:
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Sodium AHA:
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Heme Iron:
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Neu5Gc 1:
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Neu5Gc 2:
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Study He Cites:
"In this population, reduction of processed meat consumption
to less than 20 g/day would prevent more than 3% of
all deaths."
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Food Questionnaire Meta:
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Plant-Based Diets and Weight Loss via Fiber:
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"Heterocyclic aromatic amines (HAAs) are a group of hazardous substances produced during combustion of tobacco or high-temperature cooking of meats."
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Attia has said that he despises discussing nutrition. Not the guy you want to listen to for nutrition advice. In addition he eats 10 deer jerky sticks per day. Attia is way, way off on a number of things....
He also takes 2 cholesterol lowering drugs
in all fairness if you were to eat red meat venison would be one of the healthiest.
@@supersonic118boi8Jerky sticks are literally processed meat. Hence the classification is as a (group 1) carcinogen. Along with tobacco smoking, asbestos, and plutonium. 🙄
@@hardcoreherbivore4730 YOU KNOW WHAT ELSE IS A CARCINOGEN? PESTICIDES! YOU AMERICANS DUNNO HOW TO WASH YOUR VEGGIES PROPERLY!
@@hardcoreherbivore4730 Yeah, but LOCAL asbestos and plutonium are fine.
Peter Attia has an Olympic gold medal in Semantic Gymnastics.
Like how he emphasized “gas station” when talking about jerky
respect
It’s painful to listen to his nonsense.
😂😂 good one!
Peter Attia, a "longevity expert" who doesn't like to talk about one of the leading contributors to longevity, diet. It is because he doesn't have a leg to stand on, he hates talking about it because he doesn't have a good response to the overwhelming data on pro vegetarian diets and health. The fact that he is happy to use far weaker epidemiology to support his positions on exercise just cements the hypocrisy.
He used to recommend a keto diet for longevity before back-peddling so it is safe to say his understanding of nutrition is shaky at best.
"vegetarians have a higher socio-economic status"?!?!?? You S.O.B.!!! I'm trying my best to get out of this but I've been living pay check to pay check being a 31 year old in Florida, and I've been 7 years vegan eating the cheapest diet available (WFPB or beans, rice, oil free peanut butter and 'from frozen' berry sandwiches)
Apparently, your diet is lacking in education and a basic understanding of statistics. Your life is an insignificant data point. Maybe eat some fatty fish to improve your cognition.
It's a shame Attia is so poor that his socio-economic status can't afford him any fruit and veggies, LOL.
Sounds all unhealthy
Yuck. I hope you get well soon.
@@GarudaLegends it's the healthiest food you can eat.
Do the math, you get everything you need. You don't get everything you need from meat or dairy
I tell you a story how Attia became the reason why I (finnaly) got my critical thinking on and escaped low carb / keto bubble after 5 years (well, with LDL of 140, insulin resistance and some other usual outcomes of such diet). I was following him in the early years of his popularity, where he was semi-decent, pro-fasting. But with the years he was becoming more extreeme, stated to drop such statements that it's ok to take statins in order to be able to eat animal protein. Or that we need to max out animal protein, so he is himself snackin on deer jerkeys throughout the day (and btw, he is investor in deer jerkey company). And the last drop for me was when he said that is person is eating plant based for the health reasons, we need to re-educate such person back to animal products. So I though such un-intelligent person cannot be reliable and started to learn more about WFPB. And here I am after 6 months, 22 kg lighter, body fat from 22% to 12%, BMI 19, feel better than even and - even if I was afraid - no loss in muscle, strnght or endurance.
Hi dear @ZmogusJaponija, I was very happy to hear that you are feeling better and that you have found your inner compass and critical thinking. No matter what lifestyle one follows the above is truly critical to have. As an ethical not health vegan just wanted to alert you, PLS make sure you have all your self-care stuff in line for the long run. WFPB is an excellent start and if you can afford do take some blood tests, PLS do to check yourself time to time. And if you have no access to "dirty but bio" veggies (for natural B12), and enough sun, etc you need to take supplements. According to research in our modern lifestyle in dense cities and with our santitized food system we simply cannot get certain vitamins/ minerals that easy (this goes to any diet though). I hope your journey will be long and brings everything you hope for. (Hugs, Anna, healthy vegan for over a decade 😅)
@@zalexanna oh, million thanks for such a lovely response. Yes, this time I was/am determined not to make previous mistake, so I went deep into studying science, lectures, books, etc. Especially because my 8 and 9 year old daughters decided to join me on this journey. And on the way I understood/felt that I am also ethical vegan - both for animals and environment.
@@ZmogusJaponija Sound like you're on the right path. And watching Mic the Vegan videos will help you tremendously with many questions about nutrition. I also recommend watching older videos of him about vitamins & minerals & how to get them on the vegan diet.
Great story, thanks for sharing. 🔥
I have known about Dr Attia for years, and I think he does promote critical thinking, but has also come to conclusions that I don't agree with, and for a while he was keto. He went through a period where he seems to have questioned the lipid hypothessis, which at the time was a little more reasonable, but it is even more clear now about the role of lipids in heart disease. I have heard pro carnivores talk about him positively but they don't realize that Dr Attia is taking cholesterol medication to keep his own lipids under control. On nutrition he doesn't seem to want to make any of the diet tribes mad. So he is mixed bag, but might be a bridge to move some out of the Keto/Carnivore lifestyle
I think we can all agree that 99% of us watching this would love to hear Mic play that bad ass electric cello hanging on the wall. Great video once again Mic
Yes please!
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These lay individuals (like MD. Peter Attia) that are so narcissistic that they are sure their self-perceived superior intellect can debunk the work of countless actual experts really are contemptible.
'on average, those vegetarians...have a much higher socio-econimic status' LOL- not this one!
he obviously never never compared price of plant foods vs price of hot dogs and pizza
when I go to all these fancy smancy parties, I have never seen one such party that is vegetarian! They all tend to be expensive bbq and/or seafood.
Even if this is true, this is exactly the kind of data what he despise...one time epidemiological data is bad and then he just makes everything based on that...
I think this is a very insular world view. In many countries people can't even afford meat. Its a privilege.
Also we only have so much land to cultivate. cultivating plant and mushroom based food rather than steak would feed way more people. Even the words for beef vs cow or venison vs deer in English is due to the aristocrat class using French names after Norman invasion of England in 1066.
From Wikipedia: From 2001 to 2006, Attia began a residency in general surgery at the Johns Hopkins Hospital in Baltimore, Maryland, but never completed his residency, nor completed a fellowship or became board certified. During this time, he also undertook research at the NIH in Bethesda, Maryland, focusing on cancer immunotherapy for melanoma. After dropping out of his residency program, Attia joined the consulting firm McKinsey & Company in the Palo Alto office as a member of the Corporate Risk Practice and Healthcare Practice. In 2014 he founded a private clinic dedicated to longevity medicine.
An interesting resume but not exactly confidence inspiring. It looks to me like he jumped from medical school straight to lifestyle guru. Yes, I know ad hominems do not disprove Attia's statements, but Mike can do that much better than I can.
Sounds like ADD to me.
explains a lot
The tools are casted to perform a mission.
Sounds like he figured out that he is handsome and well spoken enough to convince people of what they wanted to hear anyhow. In other words: he's playing to his strengths. Doesn't mean he's right, obviously.
I’m going to defend him on this point a bit. I’m a doctor and residency is very challenging. That goes double for surgery at Hopkins. Burn out is not uncommon. A lot of doctors switch specialties or even quit medicine altogether. It’s not necessarily that they couldn’t hack it, they just lost their desire to further pursue medicine.
That being said people who use their medical education to push bullshit to people are scumbags.
Attia is really inconsistent. He claims that high V02max reduces all-cause mortality, so you should raise your V02max. More beneficial than quitting smoking. All based on observational studies. But then he dismisses observational studies showing the association between red meat and saturated fat and cardiovascular disease. Note that he flogs lots of products, including red meat jerky.
Good points.
Hes just part of the high animal protein, low carb take steroids narrative
More beneficial than quitting smoking and plenty of meat? Hmm reminds me of Gundry.
If he likes VO2 max so much, he should watch Dr. Greger's video on vegan athletes.
he claims what he claims about VO2max and longevity because that data is quite different; the HR is huuge compared to eating red meat, meaning the the difference between low and high vo2max is (substantially)bigger than between low and high red meat consumption. Plus virtually every study on vo2max shows this, while with red meat that is not the case.
Also you are missrepresenting his claims on smoking. What he says come from a graph in Mandsager et al where a HR's are shown for low vs high vo2max and for not smoking and smoking and it demonstrates that the HR for low/high vo2max is bigger than the HR for no smoking vs smoking. This is a completely different statement
The first thing my trainer said to me is that a great body is 80-90% diet and that you can’t exercise your way out of a bad diet.
Deer meat of some species is incredibly high in iron. If you have hemochromatosis-and you may not know - you could do yourself serious damage.
If he disdains the evidence from nutritional science, how does he come to any conclusion about anything? Seems inconsistent.
Like climate science deniers, he just makes shit up.
Nutrition is not complicated. If you exclude animal protein, you are a moron. And if you exclude plants, you are also an ediot. That is all to it. Humans are omnivores end of discussion.
Peter just pushes the typical high animal protein, low carb and take steroids /bodybuilder lifestyle narrative, He also takes 2 cholesterol lowering medications
2 medications...gee, can't imagine why
@@chelleec23 He is very generic that's why he wins, nothing great or breakthough ideas.
Which medications?
I think Bempedoic Acid and PCSK9 Inhibitor.
Attia has been promoting nutty ideas, including cholesterol denialism, for many years. He has made a lot of money from doing so.
he is literally heavily criticising people who say LDL is not causally related to ASCVD on multiple occasions. Don't know where you're coming from, but he's also takins lipid lowering meds...
It’s like his favourite topic 😂
@@imariong981 Yes, he takes 3 different cholesterol lowering meds.
How do you increase your viewership? tell people what they want to hear.
@@sectionalsofa Proof?
I stopped watching Attia. He is all about telling people what they want to hear to make money.
Hes just part of the high animal protein, low carb and take steroids narrative
@@Len1977gt pretty much. Over a decade ago he was a part of the keto drive. He is no longer keto but still pushes the animal protein story, but at least now he acknowledges the benefits of plant
There you go. And he's a master of word salad. Annoying to listen to.
I saw video of Attia doing a TED talk several years ago. Five minutes into his talk, I still didn't know what the frig he was going on about. Word salad, blah, blah, blah. I hate that. I don't have time for this quack.
He says a lot of words, but doesn't convey much information. Reminds me of when I had to write English papers on topics I didn't know a thing about. Just lots of BS wrapped up in well spoken prose.
would you trust a person who starts a bold statement with "I think..."?
That is all vegans
Big up Dr. Nagra! His debates are top notch. Thanks for sharing his work.
Nagra does something the Carnists can't wrap their heads around - Solid scientific evidence and buckets of it.
@@ceeemm1901 IKR! Such a gem. 💎
@@ceeemm1901his evidence is not solid. He uses health outcome data from epidemiology which has hundreds maybe even thousands of confounding factors and variables. So not he has no science. If you look at hard science like biology and anatomy, maybe some anthropology you’ll know what we should be eating.
Attia is just another YT influencer who does not know how to even look at nutritional science papers and read with understanding. Thank heavens for Dr Greger and the hundreds of academics that help him find and link all the solid human chemistry, biology and nutrition research that IS going on quietly around the world.
Dr Gardner felt Dr Attia couldn't (and didn't) reach out to discuss his study.
On The Proof, Dr. Gardner said that he and Dr. Attia largely agree.
My husband was talking about retiring and spending more time with me. We have been married for over 30 years. Now I am a widow at 55 years old. My husband was 57 years old when he passed away. Timothy Richardson Boyd 11-24-66 born, 5-8-24 passed away. I loved him so much. Now we will never be able to grow old together. I am absolutely convinced that his death is diet related. He was consuming red meat, pork, chicken, etc. on a regular basis and I couldn't stop it.
May be not but he also set you free. Now you can grow even further & not necessarily even on your own. Find yourself a nice vegan partner next time.
Sorry to hear that . Meat and dairy has killed many a person in their fifties and sixties that’s for sure .
God bless .
Attia does not do overhead presses, because he worries about spinal disc compression. However, Attia does trap-bar deadlifts which also cause spinal disc compression and he uses much more weight doing them. He does not make sense.
For spinal disc compression he needs more swimming, dietary collagen, and rest. Deadlifts with proper form can realign the spine like popping a joint but it's not a reliable medical practice, which he isn't doing because he should be using a mixed grip form instead of trap-bar.
he is real dumb it seems.
I first heard about this guy on that Chris Hemsworth Disney+ show and he immediately came off as a grifting weirdo.
I think the fact he was on Disney is a giveaway. To me, it's still a channel for cartoon characters....say no more.
@@ceeemm1901 it was actually produced by NatGeo but streamed through Disney+. I went in skeptical on the science of it all and mainly watched it for entertainment purposes. I will say, however, the finale dealing with acceptance of loss and mortality was really well done. If you watch only one episode, make it that one.
@@ceeemm1901 It was produced by NatGeo but streamed through Disney+. I watched mainly for entertainment purposes and went in skeptical of the "science" presented. With that said, the finale on acceptance of loss and mortality was really well done. Definitely worth a watch just for that one episode.
@@ceeemm1901 I keep replying and YT keeps erasing my comment. Wtf
@@drexeldragon1723 If you're posting a link it might be getting auto-deleted.
$900/month on jerky alone!? That's more than I spend on my purple carrot for 2!
Why didn't you mention the Adventist health study when he said vegetarians have a healthier lifestyle? The Adventists do all have a healthy lifestyle, yet the vegan Adventists had better health outcomes than the omnivores.
Excellent, enjoy this pete debunk video
Until someone debunks the China Study I think I will regard anything else as nonsense and just keep my cancer cells off by not giving them any animal protein.
The China study was debunked before it was written which is why Colin Campbell has a lifetime of no awards, honors, Nobel Prize in anything. The real China study was written in 1960 have you read it?
I can't believe that someone would actually believe that regular consumption of animal protein or plant protein is bad for you. Both sides are extreme and dumb.
Oh. So if he's a partial owner of a meat company, then he's conflicted.
He shouldn't be asked about these kinds of questions.
Of course he's gonna say it's cool.
Atilla is conflicted, I think it’s why he can never be honest about his knowledge of nutrition. He’s honest about exercise but you can just tell on food he is ..not. There’s a lot of it about, comes down to money.
Red meat definitely causes an animal holocaust currently!
Animals eat other animals.
@@GarudaLegends some people can't use logic, reason or compassion 🤡
@@GarudaLegends Groan.......
@@GarudaLegends we're not animals, we're more than that, you just don't want to be more than a talking animal driven by "but it's so tasty!; Oooh ma bacon, tasty yummm! GTFO
Dr. Attia also believes that excess protein is peed out and does not turn into sugar and fat. In addition he used to eat a Keto diet and believed that was a healthy way to eat. (Fortunately, he no longer does that)
yup, he's way off on a bunch of things
Attia is great at changing his beliefs based on new evidence... Very respectable attitude.
@@Mario-forall why do you call it great, when in fact he is ridiculously bad at changing his beliefs contradicting evidence? if he was good he wouldn't be believing in such bs
@@SergePavlovsky maybe he is knowledgeable of more evidence than you do. That would explain why you think a doctor with a successful practice focused on longevity believes such BS.
Mercola believes in Ray Peat woo. The Ray Peat crowd are even crazier than the carnivore diet cult.
Am I the only person utterly tired of and bored with Peter Attia? Meanwhile, I'm loving what looks like a beautiful skeletal cello on the wall behind you Mic. Nice wall and nice mic Mic 😄😋
You are not alone!
Yep. This has happened to me several times over the last 4-5 years. "Influencers" with TH-cam channels who I followed and learned some good things from, but at some point they would espouse a viewpoint that I would find troubling. Or at least raise an eyebrow. Which would increase over time.
And then they also began to associate with or support people who I already had a poor opinion about. Which then raises the question, was it I who changed or did they? Or were they like this all along and I failed to pick up upon it early enough?
As though smoking doesn’t play a role in people dying from diseases other than lung cancer…….
The more of your videos I watch, Mic, the more I'm glad to be a longtime committed vegan. Excellent work!
Dr A is a diehard carnivore (I don't apologize for my puns) who thrives on his populist diatribes to increase his clickbait and book sales.
come on guys, Peter is slowly processing the data. He still needs help. Be kind.
I doubt he’ll ever see reason on nutrition, not publicly anyway
Attia activates my Grifter alarm!
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Go get em Mic
Dietary fat causes insulin resistance and cancer more than anything else we eat! Carbs FTW!! 💪💪💪
Delusion much? If your statement is true then keto wouldn't reverse type 2. There are people eating only meat that have perfect blood sugar 24/7
Lol, no it doesn't. 😂
@@mrddcass6540 Shh, some people have to eat the carbs because there isn't enough real food for everybody. Humans could have a sustainable world population of up to 12 billion but that's assuming zero food waste or obesity.
Thanks. This is the debunk I've been waiting for. Good job.
As T. Colin Campbell notes, the vast majority of doctors are like Attia...they don't know or seem to care to know much about diet and nutrition, even though diet and nutrition are the beginning and core of good health. I think Attia's a smart guy and a thinker though...So, maybe he'll come around and realize the importance of the holistic approach, not just exercise.
Awesome video mike! Many of my clients ask what I think about Peter's nutritional recommendations. Basically, I wouldn't follow anyone's advice who promotes meat as a health food, claims it doesn't cause any negative health effects, and then turns around and says nutrition is not that important (LOL). I do, however, follow lots of his exercise recommendations with zone 2, etc. Some of his best advice was the Morpheus HRM. Love that thing.
Mike, please discuss how much plant-based protein to eat for muscle growth while staying safe.
Also I think I saw a studywhich says that potatoes improve legume protein absorption. Maybe you could advise on that?
Looking forward to that video...
If you’re working out and eating calories so to not be hungry (wfpb) you’ll gain muscle. The food all has protein in it.
It you want to specifically worry about protein.. eat beans chick peas legumes, tofu.
Honestly I look toned for a chick and it didn’t calculate anything. I Just do a 3 strength training sessions a week.
A guy would do the same but eat more and lift heavier.
And wfpb without protein supps will keep you in the safe and fine ends of protein intake for longevity.
All the ratios in natural whole plant foods are perfection .. it’s almost as though they were made for us. ;)
So can I add the 10 years increased life expectancy from the healthier diet to the 6.9 years from the exercise and get 17 years more life expectancy?
Good video. I appreciate all the work you put into these. ❤
Glad you are covering this guy. He is dismissing nutrition science outright. He’s obsessed with bulking muscles as many TH-cam influencers do. Attia needs to read the China Study.
Thanks for putting this together, it should be added as a bonus video for those who purchase his book. Great work!🎙️🌱
I’ve noticed he looks at a research study, and then comes to his own conclusions. Not what I would want from my doctor.
Thank you for the video!
Great vid!
Great breakdown, well done Mic!
Go vegan for your health, whole food plant based.
Go vegan for the animals.
Go vegan for the planet.
Go vegan and be healthier and happier.
A lower risk of heart disease and cancer for you and a better planet for everyone, human and animals.
Eating healthy is not a diet it is a healthy life style.
Also, if you're thinking about topics, I've been wondering how plant-based meats are, since they're highly processed.
I eat them almost daily (veggie dogs) and I wonder if I should cut them out.
Great video!
Oh wow! I love the electric cello in the background! Interested in the animals, health, AND music? Mic is awesome:)
Man loving getting instant notifications again !
I personally don't eat red meat, but in moderation, I don't it's going to harm your health especially if you are eating a mostly plant based diet with lots of veggies and legumes.
Thx very good critique! I appreciate the work you put into this.
Great job, Mike!
Looking forward to that muscle and aging video!
BC white meat is not used to make jerky, or peperoni, or some other highly processed meat based food, just does not taste that good/does not sell, so argument based on is form of survivor bias! Peter A. is right in this case...
Because my husband collapsed in such a way in a public place, he had to be taken immediately to Hill Country Forensics for an autopsy. I haven't seen him in 6 days. They do not allow me to see him until he is transferred to our funeral home. I have to bring his clothes to him this morning. Even though we will not receive an official report for 8 WEEKS, I have a pretty good idea this is going to show evidence that his arteries were clogged with animal fat and fatty liver. I am absolutely infuriated at the fast food industry and the evil processed foods that have caused an epidemic of fast food addictions.
I’m sorry . Your observations will definitely prove to be true
If people doubt epidemiology when it comes to studies probably know nothing about how carefully it is designed these days to mitigate confounding factors. There's a great discussion about this on the Plant Chompers channel.
Your thumbnail lol
Mic- You might consider a brief video about the basic types of studies and the hierarchy of the scientific significance of each
Great video!
Unless I'm misremembering, I think he did a video like that before.
You might want to consider looking at the "Hierarchies of Evidence Applied to Lifestyle Medicine (HEALM) presented by Dr. David Katz. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6701153/. He recognizes the limitations of the current model for the hierarchy of evidence when it comes to nutrition and other lifestyle habits. The current model (the pyramid) was really designed for drug studies, so the double-blinded placebo-controlled trials are considered the highest quality of evidence.... however, nutrition isn't quite that neat. Thus, prospective, population studies are useful when looking at long-term eating practices and morbidity and mortality outcomes, which you don't get from RCTs. So they are useful for looking at long-term exposures in lots of people. RCTs thus have their limitations and are used to answer different questions. Hence, I like his proposal to examine how we evaluate study quality.
Mark me once fooled by Attia - even bought his last d*mn book 😡. No more .
He probably doesn’t eat any meat, but he definitely wants people to buy his jerky! Lol
No, he probably convinces himself right along with his audience.
I think he himself is a jerky.
@@ceeemm1901 lol
Ok, TH-cam needs to get better at what commercials it puts with what program, I guess the AI just saw the word meat and decided it was good to advertise for a meat company to me which I think is truly humorous! 🤣 I've been vegan for a year and grateful for the change.
Absolute vs. relative risk is probably not sufficiently appreciated by many. A risky treatment might need to be evaluated with an appreciation of absolute risk of what is being treated, but relative risk may be more important for apparently safe dietary options like vegan foods. That is, if you have a risky treatment, perhaps an mRNA therapy, for an illness which has a low absolute risk of death, then you might do better to consider the absolute risk of that illness when you are calculating you risk-benefit. But, if you're considering kale therapy, consideration of relative risk reduction may be sufficient without needing to evaluate the absolute risk of getting a potential illness, since kale therapy itself carries no known risk. With a truly safe therapy, you have nothing to lose, so relative risk reduction should be sufficient, even if the relative statistical benefit is small.
Attia has been trying to thread the needle for years on how to prove eating meat is healthy. He hasn't succeeded but he keeps trying. Thanks Mic.
"Fill out this form or swordplay" - a comment beneficial to my microbiome.
bought Outlive as an airport read and I was just cringing
Hmmm, an 18-year delay for cancer from red meat. Doesn't that mean that colorectal cancer should have always been a disease of the early 20's, yet screening doesn't start until 45?
what makes you think people were always eating red meat?
But when it starts, 1. there is no effects from it and 2. it's so small you can't find it.
I have a family history of this, and it does take forever to develop to detectability. Most of my relatives had advanced stages, but were asymptomatic, and the diagnosis was only confirmed with very sensitive tests.
No. Children and teenagers are less likely to experience chronic diseases like cardiovascular disease, type 2 diabetes and cancer. Age is probably a cofactor here. RMC red meat consumption CRC colorectal cancer
The changes of RMC and CRC incidence in 41 countries and regions were compared (Figure 4, more details see also Figures S3 and S4). The results indicated that in most countries and regions, CRC incidence changes exhibited trends similar to RMC changes, and lagged behind RMC changes by about 15-20 years.
From Red Meat Consumption and Cancer Risk: A Systematic Analysis of Global Data
@@tomgoff7887 age can't be cofactor in 18 year lag between meat consumption and cancer incidence, because old people aren't produced by meat consumption, they existed before
Attia literally reading his scripted talking points lol
Once again, well done on the video. Thanks, for the good work. It is interesting that those who actually do research in the area of longevity consider that high intakes of animal protein (and even very high intakes of plant protein) promote aging and cancer (likely via increased levels of IGF-1 (V. Longo). His argument that you need 180 grams of protein to maintain muscle mass is inconsistent with the research on maintaining muscle mass in older adults. The data are inconsistent, with some studies showing that protein intakes above the RDA are associated with improved outcomes and others showing no benefit from the extra protein. The study of protein needs is nuanced and difficult to do. However, plant-based diets appear to be advantageous when it comes to preventing sarcopenia. A 2022 review study observed that consuming plant-based protein was associated with a lower risk of sarcopenia than consuming a Western, meat-heavy diet. They noted that older adults on a high-fat/high-energy diet are at a greater risk of sarcopenia even when protein intakes exceed the RDA (Coelho-Junior et. al. 2022). Moreover, a recent 2022 paper from the Nurses’ Health Study, which followed 85,871 nurses over 22 years, found that animal protein intake was associated with a higher risk of frailty and higher plant protein intake with a lower risk of frailty after adjustment for other lifestyle factors. Animal protein intake was also significantly associated with an increased risk of having five or more illnesses (Struijk, EA et. al.). The fact that he is unaware of this research and the nuances suggests he hasn't done his homework.
And to continue my rant.... He is also a big advocate for having a high VO2max as that is associated with improved outcomes (notice associated, not causal). Yet these studies are also rife with problems of confounding variables. Those with a high VO2max tend to not be overweight (as it is a weight-based measure), they likely don't smoke, they exercise, they probably don't have diabetes, and there is a genetic component to having a high VO2max. And, do those who exercise enjoy a higher socioeconomic status? (they probably aren't working two jobs). Yet, this is what he touts as being the best measure of longevity. I think he is a smart guy and says some good things, but if you are going to throw out (or put in the garbage, his words) epidemiological studies of nutrition, then throw out most of the studies on exercise and smoking.
1.3% increase to 1.7% is 40% increase in relative risk, which is not insignificant but could well be within the absolute risk margin of error. Not a big enough difference to matter.
For exercise, you chose a review that doesn’t specify which adaptations from exercise are more life prolonging, which are strength and a high Vo2max. When those are looked at directly, the life prolonging effect are more pronounced.
Basically 60% of the time Atila speaks nonsense, all the time
Mic with the bicep pose💪😎🥦
You're a genius Mic!
Healthy user bias is a serious issue that shouldn't just be dismissed automatically. As a scientist, it's blatantly obvious that "controlling" for those variables after the fact is a very weak control (both statistically and in terms of biological relevance) and you can only control so many things. These variables also aren't linear. Healthy user bias is impossible to avoid, and even with strong correlations it's difficult to have strong confidence in causality from even the best designed epidemiological studies and meta analyses.
That being said, it's all we have when it comes to nutrition research since properly designed RCTs are extremely impractical, and one has to make a choice based on the available data, flawed as it is. In the case of red meat, the rest of the data (including mechanistic data, while useless on its own) does increase confidence in the epidemiological data.
Attila the venison stick doctor HAS to defend processed meat since he has a massive financial stake in it
Hi Mic Vegan, can you give us your opinion if Chadwick Boseman started on a vegan diet ever since he was a little kid and never stop being on a vegan diet, would he still be alive today? Please answer, despite it the pressure of fan backlash or unpopularity.
Over a decade ago, Attia used to be a big proponent of the keto diet, he and Gary Tabue and all the keto stars at the time. Well he quite keto after a few years, but the guy is still pushing meat but at least now acknowledges the benefits of vegetable. This guy is a doctor??
A doctor that gives people comfort in their bad decisions is a coward. Yes, I started exercising more when I being vegan but that was because my arteries were clear and my breathing (lungs, sinuses) cleared up. No one wants to exercise when they are overweight and sluggish.
Attia just serving the model to meat ignorance is bliss
Looks good and sounded very intelligent. But he is full of misinformation on nutrition. A dangerous guy.
Facts
Was really going to give this video a shot…and then you stated the WHO as a health authority. Good god.
1.3 to 1.7 ia a 30% _relative_ risk increase.
21:50: For those who don't do well on a vegan diet: Cool, eggs also decrease mortality, unless consumed in excess.
I know I’m a healthy user, and I am biased towards scientific evidence! Whoopie!
6:07 😂
26:23 😳Oh, wow. Looking strong there! 💪💪💪
I'm trying to find the TH-cam channel with the British vegan with the very sharp, very dry wit. He mainly critiqued TH-cam videos. He has a rap song as the intro, and the lyrics are something like "don't take it personal." After setting up a video clip, he'd say "Roll tape." He was in graduate school for nutrition and offered a gut health kit. I cannot remember his name at all!
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A better question for Dr. Attia that he heretofore has answered in the negative is "Does the consumption of red meat result in animal suffering?" That answer is, of course, nonsense. He is a game hunter, and he would have one believe that dispatching large game from afar is humane since the animal doesn't know what hit it him/her. Well, Dr. Attia, what about the emotional loss suffered by the deceased animal's family members? He seemingly can't make this obvious connection. Perhaps he believes that the animals he dispatches via bullet aren't sentient. Thus, he engages in a risible degree of speciesism. Not to mention that the industrial meat industry is destroying the planet. Come on, Dr. Attia, stop engaging in confirmation bias long enough to contemplate what you are recommending.
I have tried for years to get my husband to transition his unhealthy meat laden meals. I have been vegan for years and recently totally raw fruits and vegetables. Wed morning, my beautiful husband walked into Walgreens by our home, told the cashier he wasn't feeling well. He collapsed and had no pulse. After paramedics tried for over an hour to revive him, he was declared deceased. I can tell you that steak, hamburgers, chicken, fried foods, Taco Bell, dairy, etc. will clog your arteries. Now I have to bury my husband in 2 days. I am overwhelmed with grief right now.
So saddening about your loss. I’ve been Whole food plant-based for 3 years and have never felt or looked better but my wife it’s much like your husband. I’ve tried to talk to her and reason with her but she says she’s going to enjoy herself until she’s 50, then she’ll change. People are always putting things off till tomorrow; the problem is, tomorrow never comes.
@@paulcohen6727 We had been trying to change the diet however, it was too little too late. His health has been a danger for years. I miss him so much but I couldn't compete with his gut microbiome and those foods had hijacked his brain.
@@paulcohen6727 I was joking with him weeks ago. I told him if he didn't stop eating the way he was eating, I was taking a life insurance policy on him. We laughed. He thought he would live forever. Now he will never see his children marry or have grandchildren.
Attia should be selling snake oil🤣
Mic would like us to know he does not play the guitar but likes to use them as backdrops for his streams.
10:07 fuster-rating lol
The story of T Colin Campbell's wife's recovery from stage 3 melanoma is great.
What about Dean Ornish young wife of 49 did she recover from cancer yet?
@@StanDupp6371 don't know that story.
@@Human_Herbivore It's the food.
Exercise is foundational to mental and physical health.