As the salesperson on the boat when Tim filmed this at the Newport Boatshow - at the time the dinghy had not arrived, and we thought it would need to be deflated. I can tell you that an Aermarine 270 cabrio with the folding transom, to allow the outboard motor to stay mounted, but fold flat into the dinghy, fits in there, without having to deflate it. My mistake - not Tim/Practical Sailors.
The dinghy garage is enough for me to say no to this. I don't want the hassle of inflating and deflating the dingy not to mention having to manhandle the out board on and off. It would be like having a garage for your car and having to take the tires on and off every time you used it. Everything else can be as nice as it wants, that is a deal breaker for me.
Don't be confused by this video. Of course you don't need to inflate/deflate your dinghy. He has asked about using a specific size dinghy. The reply to which was, yes that particular size will fit but you will need to deflate it. Simply choose a size of dinghy that fits when inflated. Watch the Hanse video for the 510. It's exactly the same garage. The dinghy, with outboard attached, fits in and out perfectly. But a slightly larger tender than that will fit, if deflated.
@@AdeboFunkyVoodoo Can you tell us what size dinghy works? I have a 7.5ft freshwater quality Zodiac style so hard for me to imagine 8ft is adequate for $1M boat. We're barely comfortable with 2 people @ 300 lbs, 30lb dog, 52 lbs battery and 30 lb-ft trolling motor.
@artsmith103 I think from memory it's 2.7m so just shy of 9ft. That's inflated. The channel was talking about a 10ft tender. I think for how most people will use this type of boat a 2.7m tender will suffice. That will typically be rated for three or four passengers. I've seen the larger 54DS with various types/styles of aftermarket davits for those that want a larger tender or who just want to use the garage as storage. I have no idea if that's an option for this model though.
We have been keeping this model in the short list of "next boats* . As previous Sense 59 owners, we appreciate the one level living and keeping mechanicals aft. The build quaility is excellent. Unlike the Moody 45 DS, they have solved the visibility issues frlellle helms. My single resevation is my perception of limited galley storage. Otherwise love the boat. Thanks for the review
I’ve lusted after Moody’s for a while but I think I’d be more comfortable in the 42. I saw this 48 at Annapolis and it’s huge! I guess I could get used to it. :-)
These do seem to be the only Deck Saloon Ya BT’s that can actually be Comfortable in the Tropics, thanks to that Cockpit design and overhead Shading, which allows the Doors into the Deck Saloon to be Kept open during the Day ? I really like the Sirius Deck Saloons as well, but you need to add a large Cockpit Bimini and there are issues with clear headroom for Air Circulation, and room for fitting air Conditioning, which sadly appears to be much better handled by the newer Catalina’s, though tbh, I am a massive fan of the Sirius Twin Keels option, plus the three Position Jefa Steering. If I didn’t need to head to the Tropics, I would buy a Sirius. 🤔
Torsten Schmidt, owner of Sirius Yachts GmbH, has his private Sirius yacht in Greece. A sweltering +45⁰C is no problems for the onboard systems keep the vessel comfortable.
@ Great guy Torsten, I have a lot of respect for him.But there are issues with the internal Air Volume, and the available Sizing of a large enough Gendrator along with an effective enough Air Conditioning System with enough Capacity to cope, without Restricting it entirely to a Shore power Based System that rarely if ever leaves the Marina during the hours of daylight, so sorry, even on the Sirius 40 I had to abandon purchasing plans for a Twin Keeled version, as I just could not fit everything I needed into the Sailboat, without just about permanently connecting it to Shore Power. A damned shame, as there is so much to like with Sirius Yachts. End result ? It sank in that I needed a bigger Sailboat with a lot more interior Hesdroom and Airspace Volume to assist with Airlow and Temperature Regulation and room for a decent sized Good Diesel Generator. Best Wishes and Merry Christmas. Bob. 🤔🌟🌟🌟👍🎄
So no one should ever mention any boat over 100k because YOU can't afford it? What about those who only have 30k for their next boat. Should nobody mention 100k boats because of them?
Well, all of us have to put the pieces together so we can afford this. I can't right now. That is not keeping me from looking at the more expensive options. Cause this boat starts at 1.1 million and goes up from there.
Theres increasingly a space for good sailing boats that also make familly cruising sailing across cold temperate and tropical zones... Cold, noise and heat make for fatigued sailors and fractious famillies.. And when you get to your destination ...who wants to sit in a submarine standing on tip toe or stooping to look out of a catflap sized window. Odd life sailing are building their own Al hull sailing vessel and visited Sirrius yatchs. The other cost effective French alternatives are the PlyWood/Epoxy RMs .. there's usualy only a single or couple of steps down on most modern French design's into the cabin. They have also largely become the modern masters of the twin/ bilge keel / beachable yatchs. Important in areas of high tidal ranges or if your going to live off grid and need to anchor or get stuff done ..without having to careen a boat and refloat it on a rising tide with an unexpected swell.
@@alanbaines3314 oh ok, yes of course because a self tacking jib has a tighter leach. I thought it was mainly to do with radar performance opening up the rear view removing that mast blind spot from the stern.
The things I don't care for on this model would be the exposed helms. As a light skinned person, I always seek shade. A large bimini is an absolute must for me. That would also take care of the water on the chartplotter issue. The dingy garage seems like a common design flaw with boats in this size range. Not very well thought out. Nice, but not the boat for me.
Not that I am on the market to buy this boat, but it would be nice to know what it looks like below the water line; what kind of rudder, and keel it has.
Except that isn't really true. Some boats need one rudder. Some need two. Serius even do boats with three. Your own recommended builder disproves your argument. They recognise that certain designs require two rudders and they throw in a third, so that you retain prop wash over a rudder for low speed manoeuvring. It's fine to prefer or want only one. I don't understand the need to pretend that everyone else should prefer, want or even need the same thing.
As I said it’s a personal choice, what’s not true about more rudders = more cost and more maintenance, if you enjoy being heeled over then maybe 2 rudders works, but as a cruiser it would be far more comfortable to remain more upright, check out the Sirius DS, again personal choice but I like the twin keels version.
@@paulstephens5229 no, you said you only "need" one. And said it was a choice to have two. Yes it's a choice to buy a boat with one rudder as a preference but wider beam boats "need" two. So there is no choice involved with a wide beam boat. It's two (or three) rudders or a different boat design. It's a false argument to say you only need one. You only "need" one sail. So anybody with more than one has clearly chosen the wrong boat. Extra cost, extra maintenance etc... You fools!
Thx for the video , not a boat I would want to take to sea really , also German Quality went out the window about twenty years ago , for me boat buying is the same as car buying , get an older one and refurbish it , all the German cars are pretty much junk now and wouldn't expect much else in their boat building , their all built to fail .
I know that exposure to elements decay the dinghy But I would prefer external davits I ALWAYS think that I MUST have a GO BAG (waterproof ones) in a boat, maybe one for each soul aboard, even children. In case of an unfortunate event, I want that little life savior outside, and easy toss it on the water, cutting the lines, along with the life raft. Some of them, like the OC, allow installing a little sail, and it could save the day. Much better than stay adrift. th-cam.com/video/rpi8OZsIBq4/w-d-xo.html
I get this part of the new channel content, but I watched your older stuff because most of the boats were at least in the general realm of possibility for me to acquire. I may be in the minority but I just don't care for this content.
Same. I'm in the research and planning phases for my future yachting life and unless I inherit a fortune, there's no way I'll ever be able to afford 500k of yacht, let alone a floating hotel like this one.
I don’t disagree, but this is the Practical Sailor channel. Hopefully that content will continue with Lady K as that’s more my reality. I do enjoy this content and spending my millions in virtual lottery winnings!
I have a real problem with camera people on these boats that never stop moving the camera around and it always floating around. It gives me an instant headache. About the only Channel I can watch is aquaholic because he fully realizes that you can make somebody sick with the constant camera motion and he's very careful with his camera movements. In this video I really like the boat honest to God it looks like a beautiful boat. But I could only get to the 9-minute mark before I had to stop watching
spending that sort of money and having to deflate your rib every time you go for milk would stop me from buying this boat, plus I like a more utilitarian boat, luxury is nice but at sea function is the priority,
its funny you compare it to an Audi which any real car person knows is just an over priced VW, if it really was nice then you might compare it to a BMW or Mercedes.
Actually comparing anything to a German Car now, is likely a huge mistake, as the Computer Systems of all of them have been seriously Compromised since at least the 1990’s, and likely since the 1980’s, when my Grandfather stopped buying ing BMWs and switched ro getting a Saab 900 Turbo for his 84th birthday. More recently, a good Friend Mechanic, had to scrub BMW Computer Software, and totally rewrite it just to get one of their cars working again, due to the number of false breakdowns that had been coded into the original Software, and seems the rest of the German Car Makdrs are up to the same Tricks. A Friend used to buy Mercedes Cars and Vans for his Business, and had so many problems, he now buys Ford Vans and Cars. Touch wood, so far so good. Oh same goes for German Kitchen Appliances by the way, appalling Customer feedback on reliability, and Customer Service ? Even Worse. It is bloody Disappointing, German Engineering and Manufacturing appears to have completely lost the plot.😢
@@Rainmaker60LM Put it this way. One of the top engineers at BMW in Munich secretly told me Audi is better than BMW. So I suspect not everybody feels Audi is just a glorified VW. Furthermore, who said VW is bad? I suppose you could look at any vehicle now and find all sorts of things wrong with them. That's why it might be best for people to start restoring cars from the 50s.
I mean no offense, but we’re all learning here at some level. Helm is a noun. Please stop using helm as a verb, no such term as “helming”. Grammar police out …
If you follow the "Inspiration Marine Test Sail" TH-cam link in the authors description above you will hear "helming" at 3:40 in. Seems to be common vernacular in the sailing world. (I'm only interested because I would like to use the right words myself.)
As the salesperson on the boat when Tim filmed this at the Newport Boatshow - at the time the dinghy had not arrived, and we thought it would need to be deflated. I can tell you that an Aermarine 270 cabrio with the folding transom, to allow the outboard motor to stay mounted, but fold flat into the dinghy, fits in there, without having to deflate it. My mistake - not Tim/Practical Sailors.
Thank you!! And thank you so much for letting us tour this gorgeous boat :)
In my private opinion this mono is as perfect as it could get.
Okay, you've sold me. I'm in love with this boat.
The dinghy garage is enough for me to say no to this. I don't want the hassle of inflating and deflating the dingy not to mention having to manhandle the out board on and off. It would be like having a garage for your car and having to take the tires on and off every time you used it. Everything else can be as nice as it wants, that is a deal breaker for me.
@@Nozzall I agree, space could be better utilised, I like the idea of davits with quick release, never have too much safety.
Don't be confused by this video. Of course you don't need to inflate/deflate your dinghy.
He has asked about using a specific size dinghy. The reply to which was, yes that particular size will fit but you will need to deflate it.
Simply choose a size of dinghy that fits when inflated.
Watch the Hanse video for the 510. It's exactly the same garage. The dinghy, with outboard attached, fits in and out perfectly. But a slightly larger tender than that will fit, if deflated.
@@AdeboFunkyVoodoo Can you tell us what size dinghy works? I have a 7.5ft freshwater quality Zodiac style so hard for me to imagine 8ft is adequate for $1M boat. We're barely comfortable with 2 people @ 300 lbs, 30lb dog, 52 lbs battery and 30 lb-ft trolling motor.
@artsmith103 I think from memory it's 2.7m so just shy of 9ft. That's inflated. The channel was talking about a 10ft tender.
I think for how most people will use this type of boat a 2.7m tender will suffice. That will typically be rated for three or four passengers. I've seen the larger 54DS with various types/styles of aftermarket davits for those that want a larger tender or who just want to use the garage as storage. I have no idea if that's an option for this model though.
@@artsmith103 Aermarine 270 cabrio is the dinghy that fits - inflated.
We have been keeping this model in the short list of "next boats* . As previous Sense 59 owners, we appreciate the one level living and keeping mechanicals aft. The build quaility is excellent. Unlike the Moody 45 DS, they have solved the visibility issues frlellle helms. My single resevation is my perception of limited galley storage. Otherwise love the boat. Thanks for the review
Looks really nice and seems to sail reasonably well.
Would you make a video about Sirius?
Impressive! Would have loved coverage on the anchor locker and bow roller. The anchor locker looked interesting in the video.
I’ve lusted after Moody’s for a while but I think I’d be more comfortable in the 42. I saw this 48 at Annapolis and it’s huge! I guess I could get used to it. :-)
These do seem to be the only Deck Saloon Ya BT’s that can actually be Comfortable in the Tropics, thanks to that Cockpit design and overhead Shading, which allows the Doors into the Deck Saloon to be Kept open during the Day ? I really like the Sirius Deck Saloons as well, but you need to add a large Cockpit Bimini and there are issues with clear headroom for Air Circulation, and room for fitting air Conditioning, which sadly appears to be much better handled by the newer Catalina’s, though tbh, I am a massive fan of the Sirius Twin Keels option, plus the three Position Jefa Steering. If I didn’t need to head to the Tropics, I would buy a Sirius. 🤔
Torsten Schmidt, owner of Sirius Yachts GmbH, has his private Sirius yacht in Greece. A sweltering +45⁰C is no problems for the onboard systems keep the vessel comfortable.
@ Great guy Torsten, I have a lot of respect for him.But there are issues with the internal Air Volume, and the available Sizing of a large enough Gendrator along with an effective enough Air Conditioning System with enough Capacity to cope, without Restricting it entirely to a Shore power Based System that rarely if ever leaves the Marina during the hours of daylight, so sorry, even on the Sirius 40 I had to abandon purchasing plans for a Twin Keeled version, as I just could not fit everything I needed into the Sailboat, without just about permanently connecting it to Shore Power. A damned shame, as there is so much to like with Sirius Yachts. End result ? It sank in that I needed a bigger Sailboat with a lot more interior Hesdroom and Airspace Volume to assist with Airlow and Temperature Regulation and room for a decent sized Good Diesel Generator. Best Wishes and Merry Christmas. Bob. 🤔🌟🌟🌟👍🎄
At what point does it stop being sailing and become appliance operation?
I've got barely a hundred K set aside for my future yachting endeavours, where the hell am I going to find a spare million?
So no one should ever mention any boat over 100k because YOU can't afford it?
What about those who only have 30k for their next boat. Should nobody mention 100k boats because of them?
@@AdeboFunkyVoodoo That was your takeaway? I'm sorry to see your brain has atrophied this much to think like this.
Well, all of us have to put the pieces together so we can afford this. I can't right now. That is not keeping me from looking at the more expensive options. Cause this boat starts at 1.1 million and goes up from there.
Theres increasingly a space for good sailing boats that also make familly cruising sailing across cold temperate and tropical zones... Cold, noise and heat make for fatigued sailors and fractious famillies..
And when you get to your destination ...who wants to sit in a submarine standing on tip toe or stooping to look out of a catflap sized window.
Odd life sailing are building their own Al hull sailing vessel and visited Sirrius yatchs.
The other cost effective French alternatives are the PlyWood/Epoxy RMs .. there's usualy only a single or couple of steps down on most modern French design's into the cabin.
They have also largely become the modern masters of the twin/ bilge keel / beachable yatchs.
Important in areas of high tidal ranges or if your going to live off grid and need to anchor or get stuff done ..without having to careen a boat and refloat it on a rising tide with an unexpected swell.
Great Review. Can you give us other proper DS options in lower price points? Used options?
Right now the only other "proper" DS is a Sirius Yacht.
baltic 67 hardtop
Moody 41ds is the direct smaller sister, and has been in production since 2020
The new island packet
06:03 what's the benefit of installing the Radar off C/L? I've noticed it on a few boats now. Love the Moody DS!
Because of the swept back spreaders, it tucks it out of the way a bit more from the self tacking jib.
@@alanbaines3314 oh ok, yes of course because a self tacking jib has a tighter leach. I thought it was mainly to do with radar performance opening up the rear view removing that mast blind spot from the stern.
The things I don't care for on this model would be the exposed helms. As a light skinned person, I always seek shade. A large bimini is an absolute must for me. That would also take care of the water on the chartplotter issue. The dingy garage seems like a common design flaw with boats in this size range. Not very well thought out. Nice, but not the boat for me.
Not that I am on the market to buy this boat, but it would be nice to know what it looks like below the water line; what kind of rudder, and keel it has.
That shiny thing on starboard is the crane to lift the dinghy into its garage.
Impressive ...ly out of my reach 😊
Great info Tim....want to go halfers on this one??? 😂😂😂😂😂
Thanks for doing what you do though!
Cheers
Mike
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looks like an extended stay hotel like EVERY other production boat. think ikea or dorm room furniture.
Yes, not a fan of the Ikea look found in most modern designs - sharp edges, lack of handholds, poor lumbar support in the cushions, etc.
@@Rainmaker60LM awful isn't it, building an interior that's a nice place to be?
Boats should be dark, cramped caves.
I know it’s a personal thing but you only need 1 helm and 1 rudder, everything else is just cost and maintenance. It’s ok but check out the Sirius DS
Except that isn't really true.
Some boats need one rudder. Some need two. Serius even do boats with three. Your own recommended builder disproves your argument.
They recognise that certain designs require two rudders and they throw in a third, so that you retain prop wash over a rudder for low speed manoeuvring.
It's fine to prefer or want only one. I don't understand the need to pretend that everyone else should prefer, want or even need the same thing.
It's simply a geometry issue. New trend is wider aft, and second rudder makes that work.
@@AdeboFunkyVoodoo I believe the Moody DS 41 and DS48 have single rudders
As I said it’s a personal choice, what’s not true about more rudders = more cost and more maintenance, if you enjoy being heeled over then maybe 2 rudders works, but as a cruiser it would be far more comfortable to remain more upright, check out the Sirius DS, again personal choice but I like the twin keels version.
@@paulstephens5229 no, you said you only "need" one. And said it was a choice to have two.
Yes it's a choice to buy a boat with one rudder as a preference but wider beam boats "need" two. So there is no choice involved with a wide beam boat. It's two (or three) rudders or a different boat design.
It's a false argument to say you only need one. You only "need" one sail. So anybody with more than one has clearly chosen the wrong boat. Extra cost, extra maintenance etc... You fools!
No matter how hard you try, you can't turn a monohull into a cat.
Yes you can.
Another monohull, some carbon spars. Jobs a goodun.
at least in my country the Moody's cost the same as a far better made custom yacht. Germany hasn't been able to deliver quality for decades.
This is practical Sailor, Right. And this boat is practical?
What is "not" practical about it IYHO?
Thx for the video , not a boat I would want to take to sea really , also German Quality went out the window about twenty years ago , for me boat buying is the same as car buying , get an older one and refurbish it , all the German cars are pretty much junk now and wouldn't expect much else in their boat building , their all built to fail .
USE RAINXE ON THE OUT SIDE GLASS
I know that exposure to elements decay the dinghy
But I would prefer external davits
I ALWAYS think that I MUST have a GO BAG (waterproof ones) in a boat, maybe one for each soul aboard, even children.
In case of an unfortunate event, I want that little life savior outside, and easy toss it on the water, cutting the lines, along with the life raft. Some of them, like the OC, allow installing a little sail, and it could save the day. Much better than stay adrift.
th-cam.com/video/rpi8OZsIBq4/w-d-xo.html
I get this part of the new channel content, but I watched your older stuff because most of the boats were at least in the general realm of possibility for me to acquire. I may be in the minority but I just don't care for this content.
Same. I'm in the research and planning phases for my future yachting life and unless I inherit a fortune, there's no way I'll ever be able to afford 500k of yacht, let alone a floating hotel like this one.
I sort of agree, but it's nice to dream.
I don’t disagree, but this is the Practical Sailor channel. Hopefully that content will continue with Lady K as that’s more my reality. I do enjoy this content and spending my millions in virtual lottery winnings!
I would not million dollars and practical in the same sentence :P
What if you reframed it as ‘this is what will be on the used market in the next 10 or 20 years’
WAY too much glass - portlight windows.
For what?
@@AdeboFunkyVoodoo For sailing in anything over 10 kts.
I have a real problem with camera people on these boats that never stop moving the camera around and it always floating around. It gives me an instant headache. About the only Channel I can watch is aquaholic because he fully realizes that you can make somebody sick with the constant camera motion and he's very careful with his camera movements. In this video I really like the boat honest to God it looks like a beautiful boat. But I could only get to the 9-minute mark before I had to stop watching
Want more room and a more stable platform ...... buy a Cat.
spending that sort of money and having to deflate your rib every time you go for milk would stop me from buying this boat, plus I like a more utilitarian boat, luxury is nice but at sea function is the priority,
Audi breaks all the time though
because wives aren't sailors? wtf?
Awesome! Want one of course 🏴☠️
Pointless, self-centred complaint, of no real relevance or value.
Crap ...
its funny you compare it to an Audi which any real car person knows is just an over priced VW, if it really was nice then you might compare it to a BMW or Mercedes.
It is highly subjective.
Actually comparing anything to a German Car now, is likely a huge mistake, as the Computer Systems of all of them have been seriously Compromised since at least the 1990’s, and likely since the 1980’s, when my Grandfather stopped buying ing BMWs and switched ro getting a Saab 900 Turbo for his 84th birthday. More recently, a good Friend Mechanic, had to scrub BMW Computer Software, and totally rewrite it just to get one of their cars working again, due to the number of false breakdowns that had been coded into the original Software, and seems the rest of the German Car Makdrs are up to the same Tricks. A Friend used to buy Mercedes Cars and Vans for his Business, and had so many problems, he now buys Ford Vans and Cars. Touch wood, so far so good. Oh same goes for German Kitchen Appliances by the way, appalling Customer feedback on reliability, and Customer Service ? Even Worse. It is bloody Disappointing, German Engineering and Manufacturing appears to have completely lost the plot.😢
@@CheapHomeTech not really.
@@Rainmaker60LMyeah it is.
@@Rainmaker60LM Put it this way. One of the top engineers at BMW in Munich secretly told me Audi is better than BMW. So I suspect not everybody feels Audi is just a glorified VW. Furthermore, who said VW is bad?
I suppose you could look at any vehicle now and find all sorts of things wrong with them. That's why it might be best for people to start restoring cars from the 50s.
I mean no offense, but we’re all learning here at some level. Helm is a noun. Please stop using helm as a verb, no such term as “helming”. Grammar police out …
When looking up "helm" in the Merriam Webster dictionary I get:
4 of 4
verb (2)
helmed; helming; helms
If you follow the "Inspiration Marine Test Sail" TH-cam link in the authors description above you will hear "helming" at 3:40 in. Seems to be common vernacular in the sailing world. (I'm only interested because I would like to use the right words myself.)
Conning the helm is also a real term.
"Helming", the verb to "helm". Just like Hoovering.
Helm is both a noun and a verb. As a noun it refers to the controls used to steer the boat. As a verb it refers to the act of steering the boat.
Nice, but the unprotected helm is a deal breaker.