Those Rim drives are pretty crazy. Imagine if they decided to do that for a sail drive like that first one. Diesel generator that powers everything. Wow.
Thanks for this mate. The solid state battery tech is what I'm really looking forward to. I'm not a sailor, but I carry a tinnie around here in Australia. Being able to reliably power it using a safer battery chemistry means I'll be able to explore more areas. Love these innovative finds mate, cheers.
That’s a fair point, I think it’s a dyneema of sorts so that should last a long time and knowing Andrej it will easily be replaced. The question your asking though, is how often do we need to replace it! Only testing will find out. Here’s hoping we get a sample for a few months.
Fair enough, I would suggest protecting the mechanicals would be a pretty easy task. My concern is growth on the string, but then that brings some interesting solutions to mind too…
Hey, thanks for that. As for the EPT saildrive, yeah they make flanges for Volvo, Yanmar and OceanVolt fitments along with their own and custom options! If you get in touch, do say hi from us 😉👍
Good question, I would imagine it bobs off! But then, I do t know, but when would that happen? I guess there are always instances but for me this kind of tool’s value shines in true foul weather conditions, where I would imagine the majority of line snapping issues will be minimised. (I imagine near by boats manoeuvring being the biggest threat). I must ask what they are using for the line, knowing those guys it will be indestructible, but it’s a good question:
@@SailHub If the line breaks and the anchor buoy drifts out of the anchor alarm radius, the alarm will go off. The captain will notice that the buoy is floating in a strange way (because there’s no rope holding it down) and will assess the situation. The "Rope module" is a separate part and is easily replaceable using an M4 Allen key. The rope we use is Dyneema, with a holding strength of 400 kg, so it’s not going to snap due to a heavy anchor.⚓
Yeah it’s a mixed bag at the moment, success is currently directly proportional to boat speed. So bigger boats do better. You may like our boat build, “the SailZero Project” it is an industry led project to explore and improve this for averages sized cruisers.
Yeah, it’s super interesting. It currently slab reefed so you pull both sails sides down at the same time. Similar set ups can be seen on the Americas cup boats. If you want to see the idea in action. As for prices, I’m not sure they are quite that far ahead yet but we will be letting you know about it when it does become an off the shelf option 👍
Is that solid state battery already in production or a prototype.i was under the impression semi-solid state still uses some liquid which could have thermal runaway (assuming i got this right).
Yeah your right, but solid is solid. It’s very different but not as power dense. We will have a whole bunch of content about this technology in the near future 👍
It’s good to see the advancement in technology. I don’t know about the anchor alarm for $900, that’s a very expensive watt to find out where your anchor is. I think I’ll stick with my anchor alarm app that tells me where my boat is. It’s way cheaper.
Thanks! Yeah, it’s expensive for sure but then it could be great. I really want to test one properly to see exactly what it is capable of and where the advantages lie.
Hey Special! Yeah, it’s something I personally need to get on test to figure out it’s true strengths. It’s not something I see myself using much but in a mega storm I see it being really helpful!
Can’t help but notice your overhand dominance hand shake, obviously sales reps will take the submissive position but meet someone who’s not trying to sell you something and you might get into a handshake pissing competition. Most of us are making subconscious impressions of a person whose handshake says he thinks he’s better than us. I do enjoy your expo tours fascinating tech starting to really hit the market. Cheers
Hey thanks! Ima glad you like our work 👍 Interesting comment on the handshake too, not sure I think I’m better than anyone mind, that’s not the case. Im learning from the tech guys at all of these events we attend. That’s what I love about it!! If an overhand handshake means something I presume it because I’m leading the chat on camera where most people are quite nervous. I have to generally convince them beforehand that I will look after them and lead the conversation for them. Maybe that’s just me doing that, I hope.
@ Hey it’s a body language thing, palm down dominant, palm up submissive, palm to the left equals. It’s all about what image you are trying to portray, you’ll often see politicians do the left hand on top of the opposites hand, the double handshake to show “I care”. Now you know the secret you can pick and choose, but never do the palm up handshake with a used car salesman. Also if someone offers you the palm down handshake which forces you to accept with your palm up, your job is to accept the handshake and turn it so you are on equal terms, it sends a message. Cheers and keep the new tech coming.
Yeah, that would be a concern but you need to look at the battery chemistry they were using. If you go putting that same chemistry into a boat you could well be looking at problems! People do it though and I have advised many against it. But there are much safer options, lifepo4 is much, much safer and solid state state is another level of safety again. For reference Tesla only recently started using lifepo4 recently and only in some models. The reason they are late to the game? Lifepo4 is. not as power dense and EV’s are slated for their range - they needed to maximise this to generate sales so they went with the more power dense option. Now, they are offering safer options! Anyhow, we are looking forward to making a video all about lithium chemistry with a leading producer in the new year!
Always interesting content. BUT .. "A palm-down handshake can be interpreted as a sign of dominance or aggression. By positioning your palm down, you are essentially forcing the other person to take a submissive position with their palm up. This type of handshake can be perceived as rude or disrespectful, and it is generally best to avoid it." I shudder every time you use it. The vendors have cooperated to your benefit and you choose to show your disrespect.
Hey up matey. Much appreciated thanks for the feedback. I guess it could be seen as that but I’m pretty sure you all know it’s not, I really don’t have time for that. We only interview people we like and respect. It’s nothing intentional and I’m by no means aggressive or dominating. If it’s a subconscious thing I imagine it’s just me leading the interview if you like. I can guarantee you one thing, if I don’t state some authority on the channel it becomes a sales pitch through and through. We’ve done tones that don’t make the cut! To be honest I’m completely in awe of the guys, Manu is a total legend, he’s ept’s engineer and I can vouch for one thing, I really like the guy and love what he does. He’s a legend, like most of the people we speak too also, Andrej is also a legend, the founder of vision anchor, as for sales reps, sure, we’re not likely to get super in depth info but that’s not their job, if they give me their time I am always super appreciative. On the value note, the brands get a an awful lot more out of this than I do. I get TH-cam comments which generally are positive and about $150 from Adsense, it doesn’t even come close to even paying a fuel bill to get there or even 1/4 of the ferry ticket. The brands get a free sales video that many charge thousands for and in that some can be very cheeky with it too.
Hi Jenni here, thanks for the feedback, I just wanted to add that what you don’t see on camera is all the work around the filming; The time spent on their stand, getting to know them and their product. And then the time spent after filming to thank them again etc. I just wanted to point this out too as in the videos it seems like we just swing in and out. There’s a lot more discussing, manners and considerations for the brands from our side that goes into it than meets the eye. 👍🏼 Also Chris is a shipwright; not a presenter, host or interviewer; there is perhaps an element of nerves playing a part here which I’m sure you can understand. ❤️
Yeah mate!! Your right, we had ten meetings, the filming you’ve seen and a press launch to shoot that day. It’s not a easy as it looks, we have to find a way to try and afford to make this content so sadly at present the shooting for TH-cam need to come second. To be honest we’re not really sure if we’re going to continue it.. But, we are gaining some support from people which is nice and a step in the right direction to! Hopefully 25’ brings some opportunities and we can slow down. little ay! All the best for the new year 👍❤️
I love it when people call BS on things when it’s well proven. Mate, they took one apart at METS and stabbed a nail through it there and then. The only visible damage was the hole and we could see a temperature increase, stabilise and fall. It was an interesting demo that’s for sure. We hope to try it ourselves at some point too! EPT are a pretty cool company, they have some great tech and they build everything in house. They are certainly shaking the industry up at the moment, last year some big names were caught opening up their lightweight cells before the show opened!
I love it when people call BS on things when it’s well proven. Mate, they took one apart at METS and stabbed a nail through it there and then. The only visible damage was the hole and we could see a temperature increase, stabilise and fall. It was an interesting demo that’s for sure. We hope to try it ourselves at some point too! EPT are a pretty cool company, they have some great tech and they build everything in house. They are certainly shaking the industry up at the moment, last year some big names were caught opening up their lightweight cells before the show opened!
@@SailHub Until they show the actual chemistry it's snake oil to me, mate. Chemistry could be LTO for all we know, that won't kick a fire either when penetrated. Yall keep believing the snake oil salesmen whatever you like.
@@SailHub Great! Then be critical about companies that purposefully hide basic information about their claims. What is the chemistry of this so called solid state lithium? I will adjust my opinion based on evidence, not on faith.
I have seen enough of you wandering around and talking about products.I would much rather see you make stuff for your van or more importantly your boat which we hear nothing about its progress or lack there off .
Fair enough mate. There a lot going on here at the moment and I’m sorry you don’t like me wandering around but we do need to do that. As for the van, we’re getting ok well but we’re pushing hard to finish it so we can live in it to start the boat. The filming slows it down a lot hence why we haven’t put one out for a while. Of course we are looking forward to getting the boat started but right now it’s either the researching videos or no videos until we start the boat, which should be happening sooner than we expected! I hope you understand our situation, we’re doing the best we can.
@ Thanks for your reply and the explanation.i realise you have to pay the bills like any of us do and I understand that but I would still rather watch your exceptional skills as a shipwright .Cheers.
@ronkuypers1224 thanks for that, yeah, I know what I would rather be doing too! Sadly TH-cam doesn’t pay for much more than the coffee at the moment. I would live it to work out as we have so much we want to share and help people with. 🤞
Thanks for that, we’re really looking forward to starting the boat, we’ve just got to get things in order so we have somewhere to live! We’re on a shoestring for sure, right now it’s pretty tricky making it all work but we’re getting there! I can’t wait to be starting the boat, that’s for sure!!
Hum yeah, I would like to see a fishing line going through that rotary motor, I don't think it would just go through, I think it would stop your motor possibly burn it. Claims like these are too many in the sailing world but there is very little testing. Imagine a fire engineer claiming stuff without ever testing the actual fire resistance, it would be disastrous. I understand the innovation but I would not get an exterior motor for a blue water sail boat. To lose your motor off shore is disastrous, even more near the coastline in fact. The complexity of technology can sometimes make fixing impossible and if on top of that you have to go in the water to hoist and remove your motor and fix it... I am guessing it really is targeted for people who navigate very short distances from port to port. Good to see innovations though but I would like to see more innovations in the safety department. Remember, simple is better😅 I am all for AI and stuff but there is a reason why sailors like Skip Novak favor manual or hybrid systems over electrical in certain aspects of sailing. I like onboard electric motors a lot though, most definitely because they might actually make fixing much faster and easier over diesel engine, they are obviously cleaner for as long as the batteries don't leak or rupture, electric have less moving parts so it makes complete sense to me to have more electric motors in sailboat and from an autonomy, cost, weight... (debatable) and risk point of view, it means you could have a much smaller diesel tank for heating the boat (for subantarctic conditions) and recharge your batteries on the go which means you can produce your own energy with the motion of the boat. I definitely want to see more electric motors for sailboat and new innovative ways to recharge your batteries, just not outboard it is just way too risky.
I kind of see your points and they are good but I do think you should be aware that the EPT is well tested and there is no rubber gaitor like a sail drive normally has. Other things to realise are that most o brackets are sacrificial as to not rip a hole in the boat so in your loosing the Sail drive analogy your kills to loose the p bracket in the same situation. More robust boats don’t have this problem but you bend the shaft. The same problem, no motor. The EPT also had its motor on top so it’s protected from the marine environment. But, it is still a Sail drive so it is more vulnerable. However, going back to the regeneration properties, I don’t see how your going to manage any significant numbers without a sail drive. That may sound odd but we will go to it all when building our Aluminium boat “the SailZero Project” where’s our whole point is to find out the best way to protect our planet when sailing. As for the Skip comment, there is a reason, for sure. And that is because he has paying guests on board and a dangerous environment. One of those needs to give to even begin any testing but in that environment it’s still unlikely to work. But, most don’t cruise those grounds, so relevance is key. That being said, I believe we need to test to the highest standards and see what we can achieve but yeah for arctic, the inboard is a winner. For sure!
@@SailHub I understand the EPT which makes complete sense granted I am also curious about power regeneration and storage, I am guessing it works like a dynamo and self regenerate power through its own propeller. The one I don't understand is the "ring" or rim drive you showed near the end? Unless I misunderstood you said the motor is inside that ring capsule so if you rip that ring somehow, you lose your motor is what I am getting. But to get back to the EPT and I am very curious about your "SailZero Project" can you use it with what is existing? Say you have a Boreal sailboat, it is equipped out of the shipyard with a diesel engine and shaft drive located inside the bottom plate which is a great design for a bluewater sailboat because it is the safe and the propeller is protected at all time. If you were keen on getting an EPT electrical system could you use the existing shaft or at least the existing shaft cavity instead of drilling a hole to accommodate a sail drive? The reason I am asking is because you don't see electric motors as an alternative to diesel on sailboats just yet except for very high end catamarans. So there is no doubt in my mind sailors who want to go electric will have to convert an existing diesel system to an electric system and I am wondering how much of the existing space and shaft you can reuse. It also means the conversion probably has to be approved by the boat designer. If you have a boat with a diesel engine, presumably you are going to try to fit the new electric system in the same space that was allocated to the diesel engine so as to minimize the amount of refitting. I am definitely keen on electric no doubt about that, it makes way more sense than having to carry liters of diesel fuel on board. I am looking at your link now, you guys want to limit both diesel and lithium🤣 www.sail-hub.com/sail-zero-project I am with you, it is just that I have not even made it to the lithium part yet. Well, keep us posted, whatever innovation is cleaner and self generated will be revolutionary absolutely.
Hey up, Yeah the Rim Drive basically has uts stator in the ring. So yup, if it gets water in there it could be that it’s buggered, much like a common pod drive is threatened. As for EPT, give them a shout. They have numerous solutions and yes they can do shaft drive options too. They also have batteries shaped to fit where engines used to be. All very interesting. I can’t imagine you would need to get in touch with the designer to fit an EPT system as overall weight will be similar and in the same place. You will loose the weight of the fuel though. As for power regeneration, reversing any electric motor will generate power. The trick is doing it efficiently. After that, the its the rest of the inefficiencies in the system that will cause the greatest issues. I.e mechanical losses, lift and drag and electrical efficiency after the stator. Most if this is being done by many in the industry but not often on the same boat, if at all. That’s the point of the SailZero project, an ongoing research and development platform to work on the efficiencies and tell the story of what the reality is. Almost with a hint of sarcasm you say “we want to reduce diesel and lithium” but that’s exactly what we will do. Sail Hub is ran by a shipwright and a product developer, reducing mineral consumption is not a problem for us, it’s taking it to the extremes where it is going to get interesting. Anyhow, that’s not always that relevant to the everyday sailor, what we really want to do it’s beat the sales pitch and help others see the truth. We already help and advise many sailors and I want to continue to giving others the information to help them make the right decisions for themselves. Let’s just hope we can make it interesting and fun at the same time!
Lol you didn't upset me, these idiots who price boat things do. The device they had is some plastic and cheap sensors. Probably like $40 of material. And an app I'm sure. $300 sure but 999??? F them. You definitely didn't personally upset me. I could tell you thought "wtf?" When he said the price
Yeah mate, the marine industry is often a shock. The problem being the hideous marketing costs to a small audience. It’s kinda understandable when you in it more than from the outside but still shocking… basically most cheap things are from big organisations as they’ve got the tooling and infrastructure to make it without external costs. Anything new… is a struggle and it’s hard for start ups due to this. Anyhow, all we can do is figure what makes sense for us as individuals. We’re making videos to help others see what’s out there to solve their problems. As for the prices…. That’s not my area but we are sorting discounts to help where we can! Cheers for the comment too, nice to get some genuine thoughts onboard! 👍 Happy new year too!
Yes, it was in the back of my mind when thinking about it. I can understand needing to recoup cost of a start up. Any way do keep it up, maybe even do some more interviews with people who have done custom refits and repowering. Certainly there is no reason to be running boats like they were in the 40s still lol. I love that first motor you showed. I could imagine how easy it would make docking lol
Yeah, we’re trying to keep it different where we can. Mind you with the boat build it’s all about testing from us. Trying to break through the sales pitch is one thing but then testing and explaining products, myths and concepts is another. The next year is a big change for us, we’ve got a lot planned and we’re really excited about it, we relying on comments from our community here and on Patreon to shape the channel for their needs so thanks for your input chap! Wish us luck!!! 😃👍
Great video and great tech. Your camera person deserves a shout out too - rock solid camera work!
Wahey! Thanks and yeah, Jenni is a legend behind the lens 👍
@@SailHub Yea, wasn't sure if that was Jenni. She does a rock solid job.
@Glenn.Cooper yeah, she’s great. Thanks Glenn, she’s really happy to receive the compliment!
Love the content and flow of your report, very engaging. Thank you!
Thanks! That’s really nice gif us both to hear! Much appreciated 😀👍
Thanks for sharing such great and innovative tech
Hi Gareth! It’s our pleasure 👍👊
Really great innovations coming out. Excellent. Thanks again.
Thanks Wagner! It’s a changing world out there! Always good to find new things!
Those Rim drives are pretty crazy. Imagine if they decided to do that for a sail drive like that first one. Diesel generator that powers everything. Wow.
Yeah, they seem fab! The generator is amazing too. The possibilities it opens up are enormous!
Implemented in a 60 m Lürssen around 2010 already.... Old stuff.
Well done again mate 👍👍👍🍀
Cheers 👊👌🤙❤️
Very interesting and insightful 👍 ... 🇬🇧
Cheers!! 👍❤️
Loved it!
Ah brilliant! 😀 thanks for letting us know!! There’s a heap more on the channel similar that you may like too! 👍
Great show.
Yeah, it’s a fab event to go to!
Awesome boat tech!
Hey thanks 😃🤙
Glad I'm subscribed!
Stoked you’re happy to be here 🤟🏼 Next up Boot Düsseldorf- The mega show!
@SailHub let's have it! 🙌🏻🍻 Unfortunately I've downsized from my voyager 35 to a punt but I still love watching haha
Woah! That’s a step back to our Norfolk boatbuilding roots! Gotta love a punt!
Cheers for the support !! 👍
A very groovy and informative episode.
Hey! Glad you enjoyed it 👍❤️
Thanks for this mate. The solid state battery tech is what I'm really looking forward to. I'm not a sailor, but I carry a tinnie around here in Australia. Being able to reliably power it using a safer battery chemistry means I'll be able to explore more areas. Love these innovative finds mate, cheers.
Our pleasure! We’re hoping to use solid state in our boat build so stay tuned to see how we get on!
keep up the good work. Looking forward to seeing a update on your alloy sailboat that you purchased. Cheers from Norway.
Cheers! Yeah, an update is in the mix for sure! We’re sure we excited for next year! Building that boat is going to be epic!!
Simply …. Lovely. Earley Merry Christmas to you both. ♥️
Hey! Cheers lad! Merry Christmas to you too!!!!
I like the anchor alarm! Brilliant innovation/idea!
Me too, I really want to test one… we need to get our boat floating first though!!
I’d question the durability of a constantly extend and retract string
That’s a fair point, I think it’s a dyneema of sorts so that should last a long time and knowing Andrej it will easily be replaced. The question your asking though, is how often do we need to replace it! Only testing will find out. Here’s hoping we get a sample for a few months.
@ I think the moving parts inside is more of a concern
Fair enough, I would suggest protecting the mechanicals would be a pretty easy task. My concern is growth on the string, but then that brings some interesting solutions to mind too…
Such crazy cool technology for use in extreme conditions.
Sure is cool stuff ay! Not sore about oh being for the extremes though, I think it helps many sailors out.
Thank you very much for the video. With no information about these technologies in Russia it is really refreshing.
Cheers Boris, glad it is useful you! Stay tuned for more 👍
I love these wanderings around trade shows, as I can't go to these. Thanks for exploring for us. Curious if that saildrive can be retrofit.
Hey, thanks for that. As for the EPT saildrive, yeah they make flanges for Volvo, Yanmar and OceanVolt fitments along with their own and custom options! If you get in touch, do say hi from us 😉👍
Hooray for growing 48v use in heavy draw power systems. Windless, winches, thrusters, inverters, air conditioning...
Hooray indeed! It took a while mind!
What happens if the line breaks on that anchor alarm? If the anchor doesn't move?
Good question, I would imagine it bobs off! But then, I do t know, but when would that happen? I guess there are always instances but for me this kind of tool’s value shines in true foul weather conditions, where I would imagine the majority of line snapping issues will be minimised. (I imagine near by boats manoeuvring being the biggest threat).
I must ask what they are using for the line, knowing those guys it will be indestructible, but it’s a good question:
@@SailHub If the line breaks and the anchor buoy drifts out of the anchor alarm radius, the alarm will go off. The captain will notice that the buoy is floating in a strange way (because there’s no rope holding it down) and will assess the situation.
The "Rope module" is a separate part and is easily replaceable using an M4 Allen key. The rope we use is Dyneema, with a holding strength of 400 kg, so it’s not going to snap due to a heavy anchor.⚓
Thanks for the video, by any chance, did EPT give you a price about their 360 saildrive?
Not yet, but I can get one for you 👍
Hydro electric is interesting . I believe Baltic yachts has that on the massive and beautiful Canova 142. Wonder how it works in real life.
Yeah it’s a mixed bag at the moment, success is currently directly proportional to boat speed. So bigger boats do better.
You may like our boat build, “the SailZero Project” it is an industry led project to explore and improve this for averages sized cruisers.
The morfwing was interesting. Does it furl like a regular main sail? Buying and running costs comparison?
Yeah, it’s super interesting. It currently slab reefed so you pull both sails sides down at the same time. Similar set ups can be seen on the Americas cup boats. If you want to see the idea in action.
As for prices, I’m not sure they are quite that far ahead yet but we will be letting you know about it when it does become an off the shelf option 👍
Is that solid state battery already in production or a prototype.i was under the impression semi-solid state still uses some liquid which could have thermal runaway (assuming i got this right).
Yeah your right, but solid is solid. It’s very different but not as power dense. We will have a whole bunch of content about this technology in the near future 👍
It’s good to see the advancement in technology. I don’t know about the anchor alarm for $900, that’s a very expensive watt to find out where your anchor is. I think I’ll stick with my anchor alarm app that tells me where my boat is. It’s way cheaper.
Thanks! Yeah, it’s expensive for sure but then it could be great. I really want to test one properly to see exactly what it is capable of and where the advantages lie.
Call me sceptical but I see so many problems with the anchor alarm. I want to see it in action first.
Hey Special! Yeah, it’s something I personally need to get on test to figure out it’s true strengths. It’s not something I see myself using much but in a mega storm I see it being really helpful!
Can’t help but notice your overhand dominance hand shake, obviously sales reps will take the submissive position but meet someone who’s not trying to sell you something and you might get into a handshake pissing competition. Most of us are making subconscious impressions of a person whose handshake says he thinks he’s better than us.
I do enjoy your expo tours fascinating tech starting to really hit the market. Cheers
Hey thanks! Ima glad you like our work 👍
Interesting comment on the handshake too, not sure I think I’m better than anyone mind, that’s not the case.
Im learning from the tech guys at all of these events we attend. That’s what I love about it!!
If an overhand handshake means something I presume it because I’m leading the chat on camera where most people are quite nervous. I have to generally convince them beforehand that I will look after them and lead the conversation for them. Maybe that’s just me doing that, I hope.
@ Hey it’s a body language thing, palm down dominant, palm up submissive, palm to the left equals. It’s all about what image you are trying to portray, you’ll often see politicians do the left hand on top of the opposites hand, the double handshake to show “I care”.
Now you know the secret you can pick and choose, but never do the palm up handshake with a used car salesman. Also if someone offers you the palm down handshake which forces you to accept with your palm up, your job is to accept the handshake and turn it so you are on equal terms, it sends a message.
Cheers and keep the new tech coming.
Interesting stuff! Thanks fella 👍👌
@@maccant4707Nah. Your job is to put the squeeze on while their eyes have that momentary wide look at you. It's fun.
What about the burning Teslas ? Wouldn't want that mid pacific.
Yeah, that would be a concern but you need to look at the battery chemistry they were using. If you go putting that same chemistry into a boat you could well be looking at problems! People do it though and I have advised many against it. But there are much safer options, lifepo4 is much, much safer and solid state state is another level of safety again. For reference Tesla only recently started using lifepo4 recently and only in some models. The reason they are late to the game? Lifepo4 is. not as power dense and EV’s are slated for their range - they needed to maximise this to generate sales so they went with the more power dense option. Now, they are offering safer options!
Anyhow, we are looking forward to making a video all about lithium chemistry with a leading producer in the new year!
Always interesting content. BUT .. "A palm-down handshake can be interpreted as a sign of dominance or aggression. By positioning your palm down, you are essentially forcing the other person to take a submissive position with their palm up. This type of handshake can be perceived as rude or disrespectful, and it is generally best to avoid it." I shudder every time you use it. The vendors have cooperated to your benefit and you choose to show your disrespect.
Hey up matey. Much appreciated thanks for the feedback. I guess it could be seen as that but I’m pretty sure you all know it’s not, I really don’t have time for that. We only interview people we like and respect.
It’s nothing intentional and I’m by no means aggressive or dominating. If it’s a subconscious thing I imagine it’s just me leading the interview if you like. I can guarantee you one thing, if I don’t state some authority on the channel it becomes a sales pitch through and through. We’ve done tones that don’t make the cut!
To be honest I’m completely in awe of the guys, Manu is a total legend, he’s ept’s engineer and I can vouch for one thing, I really like the guy and love what he does. He’s a legend, like most of the people we speak too also, Andrej is also a legend, the founder of vision anchor, as for sales reps, sure, we’re not likely to get super in depth info but that’s not their job, if they give me their time I am always super appreciative.
On the value note, the brands get a an awful lot more out of this than I do. I get TH-cam comments which generally are positive and about $150 from Adsense, it doesn’t even come close to even paying a fuel bill to get there or even 1/4 of the ferry ticket. The brands get a free sales video that many charge thousands for and in that some can be very cheeky with it too.
Hi Jenni here, thanks for the feedback, I just wanted to add that what you don’t see on camera is all the work around the filming; The time spent on their stand, getting to know them and their product. And then the time spent after filming to thank them again etc. I just wanted to point this out too as in the videos it seems like we just swing in and out. There’s a lot more discussing, manners and considerations for the brands from our side that goes into it than meets the eye. 👍🏼 Also Chris is a shipwright; not a presenter, host or interviewer; there is perhaps an element of nerves playing a part here which I’m sure you can understand. ❤️
ROFLOL - don't have, don't want.
Criekey, that’s interesting that it makes you roll around the floor
Please switch off the auto-translation option when you publish your video! I don’t want to hear AI translation
Hey up, sorry about that. We normally update it manually but we’ve not had time this week.
@ Thanks !
No problem, we will sort it as soon as we get a few minutes!
You're rushing through the products like some gremlins are directly after you. Way too fast. Even your camera couldn't follow..
Yeah mate!! Your right, we had ten meetings, the filming you’ve seen and a press launch to shoot that day.
It’s not a easy as it looks, we have to find a way to try and afford to make this content so sadly at present the shooting for TH-cam need to come second.
To be honest we’re not really sure if we’re going to continue it.. But, we are gaining some support from people which is nice and a step in the right direction to!
Hopefully 25’ brings some opportunities and we can slow down. little ay! All the best for the new year 👍❤️
Calling BS on the solid state lithium. Show the inside, I bet it's just LiFePo4.
I love it when people call BS on things when it’s well proven. Mate, they took one apart at METS and stabbed a nail through it there and then. The only visible damage was the hole and we could see a temperature increase, stabilise and fall. It was an interesting demo that’s for sure. We hope to try it ourselves at some point too!
EPT are a pretty cool company, they have some great tech and they build everything in house. They are certainly shaking the industry up at the moment, last year some big names were caught opening up their lightweight cells before the show opened!
I love it when people call BS on things when it’s well proven. Mate, they took one apart at METS and stabbed a nail through it there and then. The only visible damage was the hole and we could see a temperature increase, stabilise and fall. It was an interesting demo that’s for sure. We hope to try it ourselves at some point too!
EPT are a pretty cool company, they have some great tech and they build everything in house. They are certainly shaking the industry up at the moment, last year some big names were caught opening up their lightweight cells before the show opened!
@@SailHub Until they show the actual chemistry it's snake oil to me, mate. Chemistry could be LTO for all we know, that won't kick a fire either when penetrated. Yall keep believing the snake oil salesmen whatever you like.
😂 the purpose of our channel is to help others see through the snake oil.
@@SailHub Great! Then be critical about companies that purposefully hide basic information about their claims. What is the chemistry of this so called solid state lithium? I will adjust my opinion based on evidence, not on faith.
I have seen enough of you wandering around and talking about products.I would much rather see you make stuff for your van or more importantly your boat which we hear nothing about its progress or lack there off .
Fair enough mate. There a lot going on here at the moment and I’m sorry you don’t like me wandering around but we do need to do that.
As for the van, we’re getting ok well but we’re pushing hard to finish it so we can live in it to start the boat. The filming slows it down a lot hence why we haven’t put one out for a while.
Of course we are looking forward to getting the boat started but right now it’s either the researching videos or no videos until we start the boat, which should be happening sooner than we expected!
I hope you understand our situation, we’re doing the best we can.
@ Thanks for your reply and the explanation.i realise you have to pay the bills like any of us do and I understand that but I would still rather watch your exceptional skills as a shipwright .Cheers.
@ronkuypers1224 thanks for that, yeah, I know what I would rather be doing too! Sadly TH-cam doesn’t pay for much more than the coffee at the moment. I would live it to work out as we have so much we want to share and help people with. 🤞
Yeah I appreciate watching you put your building skills to work as well. Can't wait to see what you do to the boat
Thanks for that, we’re really looking forward to starting the boat, we’ve just got to get things in order so we have somewhere to live!
We’re on a shoestring for sure, right now it’s pretty tricky making it all work but we’re getting there! I can’t wait to be starting the boat, that’s for sure!!
Hum yeah, I would like to see a fishing line going through that rotary motor, I don't think it would just go through, I think it would stop your motor possibly burn it. Claims like these are too many in the sailing world but there is very little testing. Imagine a fire engineer claiming stuff without ever testing the actual fire resistance, it would be disastrous. I understand the innovation but I would not get an exterior motor for a blue water sail boat. To lose your motor off shore is disastrous, even more near the coastline in fact. The complexity of technology can sometimes make fixing impossible and if on top of that you have to go in the water to hoist and remove your motor and fix it... I am guessing it really is targeted for people who navigate very short distances from port to port. Good to see innovations though but I would like to see more innovations in the safety department. Remember, simple is better😅 I am all for AI and stuff but there is a reason why sailors like Skip Novak favor manual or hybrid systems over electrical in certain aspects of sailing.
I like onboard electric motors a lot though, most definitely because they might actually make fixing much faster and easier over diesel engine, they are obviously cleaner for as long as the batteries don't leak or rupture, electric have less moving parts so it makes complete sense to me to have more electric motors in sailboat and from an autonomy, cost, weight... (debatable) and risk point of view, it means you could have a much smaller diesel tank for heating the boat (for subantarctic conditions) and recharge your batteries on the go which means you can produce your own energy with the motion of the boat. I definitely want to see more electric motors for sailboat and new innovative ways to recharge your batteries, just not outboard it is just way too risky.
I kind of see your points and they are good but I do think you should be aware that the EPT is well tested and there is no rubber gaitor like a sail drive normally has.
Other things to realise are that most o brackets are sacrificial as to not rip a hole in the boat so in your loosing the Sail drive analogy your kills to loose the p bracket in the same situation.
More robust boats don’t have this problem but you bend the shaft. The same problem, no motor.
The EPT also had its motor on top so it’s protected from the marine environment.
But, it is still a Sail drive so it is more vulnerable. However, going back to the regeneration properties, I don’t see how your going to manage any significant numbers without a sail drive. That may sound odd but we will go to it all when building our Aluminium boat “the SailZero Project” where’s our whole point is to find out the best way to protect our planet when sailing.
As for the Skip comment, there is a reason, for sure. And that is because he has paying guests on board and a dangerous environment. One of those needs to give to even begin any testing but in that environment it’s still unlikely to work. But, most don’t cruise those grounds, so relevance is key.
That being said, I believe we need to test to the highest standards and see what we can achieve but yeah for arctic, the inboard is a winner. For sure!
@@SailHub I understand the EPT which makes complete sense granted I am also curious about power regeneration and storage, I am guessing it works like a dynamo and self regenerate power through its own propeller. The one I don't understand is the "ring" or rim drive you showed near the end? Unless I misunderstood you said the motor is inside that ring capsule so if you rip that ring somehow, you lose your motor is what I am getting. But to get back to the EPT and I am very curious about your "SailZero Project" can you use it with what is existing? Say you have a Boreal sailboat, it is equipped out of the shipyard with a diesel engine and shaft drive located inside the bottom plate which is a great design for a bluewater sailboat because it is the safe and the propeller is protected at all time.
If you were keen on getting an EPT electrical system could you use the existing shaft or at least the existing shaft cavity instead of drilling a hole to accommodate a sail drive? The reason I am asking is because you don't see electric motors as an alternative to diesel on sailboats just yet except for very high end catamarans. So there is no doubt in my mind sailors who want to go electric will have to convert an existing diesel system to an electric system and I am wondering how much of the existing space and shaft you can reuse. It also means the conversion probably has to be approved by the boat designer. If you have a boat with a diesel engine, presumably you are going to try to fit the new electric system in the same space that was allocated to the diesel engine so as to minimize the amount of refitting. I am definitely keen on electric no doubt about that, it makes way more sense than having to carry liters of diesel fuel on board.
I am looking at your link now, you guys want to limit both diesel and lithium🤣 www.sail-hub.com/sail-zero-project
I am with you, it is just that I have not even made it to the lithium part yet. Well, keep us posted, whatever innovation is cleaner and self generated will be revolutionary absolutely.
Hey up,
Yeah the Rim Drive basically has uts stator in the ring. So yup, if it gets water in there it could be that it’s buggered, much like a common pod drive is threatened.
As for EPT, give them a shout. They have numerous solutions and yes they can do shaft drive options too. They also have batteries shaped to fit where engines used to be. All very interesting.
I can’t imagine you would need to get in touch with the designer to fit an EPT system as overall weight will be similar and in the same place. You will loose the weight of the fuel though.
As for power regeneration, reversing any electric motor will generate power. The trick is doing it efficiently. After that, the its the rest of the inefficiencies in the system that will cause the greatest issues. I.e mechanical losses, lift and drag and electrical efficiency after the stator. Most if this is being done by many in the industry but not often on the same boat, if at all.
That’s the point of the SailZero project, an ongoing research and development platform to work on the efficiencies and tell the story of what the reality is.
Almost with a hint of sarcasm you say “we want to reduce diesel and lithium” but that’s exactly what we will do. Sail Hub is ran by a shipwright and a product developer, reducing mineral consumption is not a problem for us, it’s taking it to the extremes where it is going to get interesting.
Anyhow, that’s not always that relevant to the everyday sailor, what we really want to do it’s beat the sales pitch and help others see the truth. We already help and advise many sailors and I want to continue to giving others the information to help them make the right decisions for themselves.
Let’s just hope we can make it interesting and fun at the same time!
@@SailHub Awesome, Thanks for that. Greatly appreciated.
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The TwinSkin. mainsail is used in America's cup boats. It's history goes back almost 100 years. th-cam.com/video/-M54CVWotvc/w-d-xo.html
Absolutely 👍 mind you, I didn’t know it was quite that old! Thanks 😀 btw. Do you know which boat used it first? I would live to know!
$1000 for a fucking glorified bobber and alarm is fucking silly.
Creikey, I’m sorry that upsets you so much! 😜
Lol you didn't upset me, these idiots who price boat things do. The device they had is some plastic and cheap sensors. Probably like $40 of material. And an app I'm sure. $300 sure but 999??? F them. You definitely didn't personally upset me. I could tell you thought "wtf?" When he said the price
Yeah mate, the marine industry is often a shock. The problem being the hideous marketing costs to a small audience. It’s kinda understandable when you in it more than from the outside but still shocking… basically most cheap things are from big organisations as they’ve got the tooling and infrastructure to make it without external costs. Anything new… is a struggle and it’s hard for start ups due to this.
Anyhow, all we can do is figure what makes sense for us as individuals. We’re making videos to help others see what’s out there to solve their problems. As for the prices…. That’s not my area but we are sorting discounts to help where we can!
Cheers for the comment too, nice to get some genuine thoughts onboard! 👍 Happy new year too!
Yes, it was in the back of my mind when thinking about it. I can understand needing to recoup cost of a start up. Any way do keep it up, maybe even do some more interviews with people who have done custom refits and repowering. Certainly there is no reason to be running boats like they were in the 40s still lol. I love that first motor you showed. I could imagine how easy it would make docking lol
Yeah, we’re trying to keep it different where we can. Mind you with the boat build it’s all about testing from us.
Trying to break through the sales pitch is one thing but then testing and explaining products, myths and concepts is another.
The next year is a big change for us, we’ve got a lot planned and we’re really excited about it, we relying on comments from our community here and on Patreon to shape the channel for their needs so thanks for your input chap!
Wish us luck!!! 😃👍