what's even more astounding to me is that this game is older than most of today's existing popular franchises in the game industry. Seriously the ammount of determination and work for this game is just ridicolous. It's propably the oldest Sonic fangame that's still standing to this day. This game is legit older than me by 5 years, it could buy itself a beer since 2016 (or 2019, depends on the country) . I almost feel like this game should geniuenly win some guiness record or something, for the oldest supported fangame in gaming history.
@@EpicGamer-fl7fn It didn’t win any awards from some judge, but it won the love and respect of every sonic fan for being one of if not *the* oldest, most supported and best sonic fan game still standing...
@@not4nikiii yeah, and that's the upside and the downside. Like dont get me wrong, i bloody love this game so much, but my kids will have grandkids before this game will be finally finished.
@@not4nikiii I think 2.2 will be the final version, like they finally revamped zones, soundtracks and characters. They only have to add an Act 2 to that Volcano Zone (I don't remember its name lol)
@Sacha Vaillancourt i believe theyre dark city zone and doomsday ship zone (though doomsday is gonna be renamed). theyre from a really old version of srb2.
@Sacha Vaillancourt they're working on Red Volcano Act 2 and 3, like you said, probably a new desing for Egg Rock Zone and Deep Sea Zone again and they're working to add Dark City Zone and Grand Eggship Zone.
Love how the 1998 version, with respect to the time it was released, seems actually better than some Android games of which we see ads on TH-cam today.
I gotta say, the idea behind Arid Canyon has got to be one of my favourite level designs for a Sonic game ever. It has that Route 66 Road Runner Vs Wile E. Coyote vibe, it's a wonder there's never been a level like it before.
This thing began development 2 years before I was born, was supposed to be done by 2001 when I was 1 year old, and it's still getting developed now that i'm 21. Just insane.
In the end it makes sense with the mine part. The Mesoamerican Desert was a major part in the Gold Rush. And it also has the Grand Canyon (which could reference the Mountain aspect) and stretches of highway (as seen in act 1) and rail systems (as seen in act 2/3). It wouldve been cool to see a secret area with a ufo to represent Roswell. I also like the road runner reference in act 1.
@@momto2bsyou can't really say that, as it was never released. Discrediting one team's hard work to praise another is kinda lame. Srb2 is great, and I have a feeling X would've been too.
Not sure why but it’s kinda unsettling looking back at the old versions of this game. It’s just so empty and makes you feel like you’re alone but there’s that one person or THING that’s watching you. Especially if you where to take out the music in some of these clips specifically 3:56 this one in particular reminds me of an Abandoned MMO that still has that one weird server up
It’s finally here! Always love seeing these. Although I do wonder where the original wads of the ACZ2 Museum are, or where the mod creator got them in the first place. Also I could’ve sworn there were more acts in the ACZ2 Museum...
Thank you! Fickle got the maps as they were a developer at the time. There are more maps in the ACZ2 Museum however they are all earlier versions of the same map, and I didn't want to pad things out too much. My general philosophy with the retrospective has been to include every major release and only the final version of each prototype iteration... although aside from ACZ2 Museum the most there is are untextured versions of shown prototypes.
I remember the texture contest for Arid Canyon Zone. I even tried to participate in it, only to produce a texture that was too basic-looking (was just a quickly-drawn image in MSPaint).
Interesting. Since I started playing this in 2.0 I never knew that Arid Canyon was a level merge of Mine Maze and Rocky Mountain. I did knew about those 2 scrapped levels but I never knew that those 2 were the origins of Arid Canyon
If I’m being honest, 2.0 and 2.1’s music for this stage feels incomplete. It feels like it starts at the middle of a song rather than at the beginning. Which makes sense, since it ended up becoming the middle of 2.2’s song for this stage.
Bro, if you wanted 2.0 beta content of ACZ1/ACZ2 (including their respective tunes), you could have just asked. There's a lot of historical content missing from this video, including Sonikku's ACZ2 and ACZ3. Roly Poly Putt is also missing, which is notable as part of its Arid Canyon tune made it BACK into SRB2....but this all originated with the ACZ remix tune from 2.0, and went unused! Sorry, I'm a bit of an ACZ archivist. :P
I think arid canyon is the most original zone in the entire sonic history, not only in srb2, the concept maybe is not unique, but in sonic work so well. (Sorry for my english)
@Roberto Grigoraș but in combinatiom whit the highway and well, the canyon, make it a zone very funny to play in my opinion, i dont think that dust hill and mirage saloon have that originality. The only similarity is all of the zone have a desert theme, and the train (exept in dust hill)
You know, rocky mountain was actually a super (or hyper idk) level, and the stage in srb2 was probably a callback. World building. Buts that's just a theory. A game theory. Thanks for reading.
@@SomeRobIoxDude Same No, get 2.2, finish the 2 remaining levels, add transitions like there were in 2.0(actually intented feature) and then come back to 2001 and release It as a remaster. Then it's the best.
alright so im wondering about a thing so in what version did rocky mountain and miner maze zone exist in cuz i couldnt finy any advice that mmz and rmz is in that version
They should bring back Mine Maze and Rocky Mountain as totally new zones! This is how the zones should go: Greenflower Zone Techno Hill Zone Deep Sea Zone Mine Maze Zone (At the end of the zone there would be a cutscene where the player goes inside a tunnel that would leads to) Castle Eggman Zone Rocky Mountain Zone (At the end of the zone there would be a cutscene where the player goes to a wood elevator that leads to) Arid Canyon Zone Red Volcano Zone Dark City Grand Eggship Egg Rock Black Core What'd ya think?
Honestly i just want both acts of rocky mountain and both acts of mine maze to be retextured and combined into a bonus stage each Edit: they already have a remix of mine maze in 2.2 but its not used for anything lol
GREENFLOWER TECHNO HILL DEEP SEA CASTLE EGGMAN MINI MAZE ROCKY MOUNTAIN (with rings) ARID CANYON RED VOLCANO FROZEN HILLSIDE HIDDEN PALACE DARKCITY FOREST FORTRESS EGGROCK BLACK CORE good ordem AND christmas levels
thanks, I wanted to know since i was unsuccessful to find any documentation of it anywhere else on the internet edit: found a level wad but still no build, I’m starting to suspect that it’s outdated
@@DylanDude Ah. Another question: Will there be a bonus video on Dark City/Grand Eggship? The reason I say bonus video is because DCZ and GEZ aren't in SRB2.
Just type in SRB2 20 Years ago Neocities on Google. Go to the first result that pops up and then on the top of the website, click downloads and once you are in the downloads page, click on wads and then you’re in
(Timestamps enclosed)
Mine Maze Zone:
0:49 - SRB2 TGF (1998)
2:36 - SRB1 Christmas (1998)
3:54 - Unknown Build (2001)
4:45 - Demo 2 Era (2001)
Rocky Mountain Zone:
9:02 - SRB2 Christmas (1999)
11:21 - Demo 2 Era (2001)
Arid Canyon Zone:
13:35 - Version 2.0 (2009)
17:21 - Version 2.1 (2014)
20:17 - Version 2.2 (Beta) (2016)
25:00 - Version 2.2
The Arid Canyon's 2016 Beta Act 2 look really challenging actually with the cart to manouver on the rails the entire stage.
2016 beta music is garbage
You could have put this in the description and add an intro segment so YT recognizes the chapters.
Why didn't you put this in the description?
How do i Get Mine Maze or Rocky Mountain?! How do i Download SRB2 Demo 2 Era?
the progression of SRB2 from ugly mess to looking like an actual sonic title is astounding
what's even more astounding to me is that this game is older than most of today's existing popular franchises in the game industry. Seriously the ammount of determination and work for this game is just ridicolous. It's propably the oldest Sonic fangame that's still standing to this day. This game is legit older than me by 5 years, it could buy itself a beer since 2016 (or 2019, depends on the country) . I almost feel like this game should geniuenly win some guiness record or something, for the oldest supported fangame in gaming history.
@@EpicGamer-fl7fn
It didn’t win any awards from some judge, but it won the love and respect of every sonic fan for being one of if not *the* oldest, most supported and best sonic fan game still standing...
@@not4nikiii yeah, and that's the upside and the downside.
Like dont get me wrong, i bloody love this game so much, but my kids will have grandkids before this game will be finally finished.
@@EpicGamer-fl7fn It's also 5 years older than me, what a coincidence :v
@@not4nikiii I think 2.2 will be the final version, like they finally revamped zones, soundtracks and characters. They only have to add an Act 2 to that Volcano Zone (I don't remember its name lol)
its funny how the game was supposed to be finished in 2001
and yet
HERE WE ARE
i am so proud.... *cries*
mop julio it was for the best after all
the game it's not finished yet XD
two more zones are in the way for more
@@alieneko_nyo yeah dude i... i know
@Sacha Vaillancourt i believe theyre dark city zone and doomsday ship zone (though doomsday is gonna be renamed). theyre from a really old version of srb2.
@Sacha Vaillancourt they're working on Red Volcano Act 2 and 3, like you said, probably a new desing for Egg Rock Zone and Deep Sea Zone again and they're working to add Dark City Zone and Grand Eggship Zone.
Love how the 1998 version, with respect to the time it was released, seems actually better than some Android games of which we see ads on TH-cam today.
Well, it has more effort put into it.
And as someone who played it, it's unironically 100x more fun that any shitty hypercasual trendy mobile game.
Yes. Especially better than the ads.
I gotta say, the idea behind Arid Canyon has got to be one of my favourite level designs for a Sonic game ever. It has that Route 66 Road Runner Vs Wile E. Coyote vibe, it's a wonder there's never been a level like it before.
Yeah, there is even a painted faux tunnel somewhere in the level.
@@Antonio-fl3nr two, actually! and you get to run through them
@@radilime Well, into the wall.
Fang is the coyote and sonic is the roadrunner
@@evbev4708 Yep. That's it.
This thing began development 2 years before I was born, was supposed to be done by 2001 when I was 1 year old, and it's still getting developed now that i'm 21. Just insane.
Interesting how it's a mine and a mountain stage merged into a sandy mountain
TheAlanDude I guess someone didn't like Anakin very much.
In the end it makes sense with the mine part. The Mesoamerican Desert was a major part in the Gold Rush. And it also has the Grand Canyon (which could reference the Mountain aspect) and stretches of highway (as seen in act 1) and rail systems (as seen in act 2/3). It wouldve been cool to see a secret area with a ufo to represent Roswell. I also like the road runner reference in act 1.
they became arizona
Srb2 is truly an astounding game and I can't wait to see where it goes from here. It's like the Sonic Xtreme we never got.
No, it's better than sonic Extreme would've Ever been
i mean you would never know
@@momto2bsyou can't really say that, as it was never released. Discrediting one team's hard work to praise another is kinda lame. Srb2 is great, and I have a feeling X would've been too.
10:32
Sign: SLOW
Sonic: **goes fast**
Sign: Am I a joke to you?
What sign lol
Timbertam I meant 10:32, look on the floor
@@sanicmaniac oh, Now i see it 👍
Sonic: Yes You Are
Not sure why but it’s kinda unsettling looking back at the old versions of this game. It’s just so empty and makes you feel like you’re alone but there’s that one person or THING that’s watching you. Especially if you where to take out the music in some of these clips specifically 3:56 this one in particular reminds me of an Abandoned MMO that still has that one weird server up
Active Worlds?
Bruh
It’s finally here! Always love seeing these. Although I do wonder where the original wads of the ACZ2 Museum are, or where the mod creator got them in the first place. Also I could’ve sworn there were more acts in the ACZ2 Museum...
Thank you! Fickle got the maps as they were a developer at the time. There are more maps in the ACZ2 Museum however they are all earlier versions of the same map, and I didn't want to pad things out too much. My general philosophy with the retrospective has been to include every major release and only the final version of each prototype iteration... although aside from ACZ2 Museum the most there is are untextured versions of shown prototypes.
@@DylanDude Ah. That makes sense. Thanks for the explanation!
Arid canyon resembles a lot of the deleted Dust Hill
I remember the texture contest for Arid Canyon Zone. I even tried to participate in it, only to produce a texture that was too basic-looking (was just a quickly-drawn image in MSPaint).
3:55 This is most likely Demo 2 (the life icon is not there)
Pretty sure demo 2 has a symbol. This is probably demo 1
Interesting. Since I started playing this in 2.0 I never knew that Arid Canyon was a level merge of Mine Maze and Rocky Mountain. I did knew about those 2 scrapped levels but I never knew that those 2 were the origins of Arid Canyon
This fangame never needed rtx. It's perfect. I really love the development process too. From how it started to how much it improved.
6:33 that music boy...
awesome!!!!
If I’m being honest, 2.0 and 2.1’s music for this stage feels incomplete. It feels like it starts at the middle of a song rather than at the beginning.
Which makes sense, since it ended up becoming the middle of 2.2’s song for this stage.
Agreed. That unused remix in the files feels Full tho. Not fitting, but full.
I vastly prefer the 2.1 version, honestly. The melody feels a bit more clear.
@@porygonlover322 I kind of agree with you.
Mine Maze Zone in its final form a.k.a. Claustrophobia zone.
5:20 Did i see that turn into a doom monster for a split second?
Yup, the game's engine is modified from Doom.
@@thisisasupersayin376 And the midi sounds so awful, it sounds like it came from a bad Doom port.
YES
dont you hate how sometime the 1-up jingle just interupt the banger part of the act 1 music
32:04
That timing was perfect!
Bro, if you wanted 2.0 beta content of ACZ1/ACZ2 (including their respective tunes), you could have just asked. There's a lot of historical content missing from this video, including Sonikku's ACZ2 and ACZ3. Roly Poly Putt is also missing, which is notable as part of its Arid Canyon tune made it BACK into SRB2....but this all originated with the ACZ remix tune from 2.0, and went unused! Sorry, I'm a bit of an ACZ archivist. :P
I like 2.0 beta. Hey spazzo do you still have the content of 2.0s arid canyon zone Act 1 and 2 And sonikku's act 2 and 3?
@@benitak5199 I do, both the stages and the music.
@@spazzo1070 Cool i like archiving srb2 content from the past. Can i have a download to the stages so i can play them.
I think arid canyon is the most original zone in the entire sonic history, not only in srb2, the concept maybe is not unique, but in sonic work so well.
(Sorry for my english)
@Roberto Grigoraș but in combinatiom whit the highway and well, the canyon, make it a zone very funny to play in my opinion, i dont think that dust hill and mirage saloon have that originality. The only similarity is all of the zone have a desert theme, and the train (exept in dust hill)
Dust hill was never a dessert stage as it was just a mock up
You know, rocky mountain was actually a super (or hyper idk) level, and the stage in srb2 was probably a callback. World building. Buts that's just a theory. A game theory. Thanks for reading.
Arid Canyon Zone and Red Volcano Zone are the best zones in SRB2
*CHANGE MY MIND*
deep sea and castle eggman for me
@@retroboy-fh1ji My nigga
Lol, this part of the story os crazy interesting
I wonder what it would've been like if SRB2 was released back during the Demo era.
I imagine someone time travelling back to the Final Demo era and releasing 2.2 as a mod and everyone saying its the best mod ever
@@SomeRobIoxDude Same
No, get 2.2, finish the 2 remaining levels, add transitions like there were in 2.0(actually intented feature) and then come back to 2001 and release It as a remaster. Then it's the best.
I imagine if everything was actually finished, would be pretty good, but not as much as how it is, or how it'll be when everything intented is done.
We would get those shitty ass maze looking levels lol
I just realized it took ten years to make Act 2.
Take a drink everytime the 1-up jingle plays during the 2.0 section!
shelwbz.. aughwhwh.. i.. not.. feelll.. gud.. aidbakoz...
( 3:54 - 4:35 ) I say... why they used greenflower zone for mine maze?
Probably for testing
6:50 looking for diamonds in Minecraft be like
This is now the flagship level of the game.
Love how this level was one a 2 in one
i love Arid Canyons soundtrack but the level is hard. WONT STOP ME FROM LIKING THIS JAM
0:49 i love how the music notes jump from left speaker to right speaker :D
I only heard half a second the act 1 song of demo 2 rocky mountain while fast forwarding and i immediately recognized it
4:55 2024 update a slightly earlier version of this level and the one after has been found in the 2000 prototype
I can see your heart race during fang's fight
28:38 Act 2 music got... SO BETTER
Egg Rock Zone Throughout History, please?
youtube compression really doesn't like rocky mountain zone lmao
Just remember, SRB2's Fang battle theme is still better then Superstars.
Of course, the one from Superstars sounds a little like toilet.
I wonder, will this series stop at ERZ? Or maybe it will include the unlockable and Special Stages?
3:54 lol unknown zone called greenflower
Where do I get the 2016 Beta? I would like to try that version of the stage out. It looks pretty ok imo
There's a mod called acz2 museum in which it's has all betas of acz2
8:14 HHHAAACCCKKKSSSS
why?
??
24:59 -- This track is so fucking tight! Who is the composer of this music track?
Nev3r, CobaltBW, Shane Strife and Spazzo.
Srb2 devs
21:18 why is the bass offkey
24:28 - I'm kind of laughing at that part.
Fun fact: sonic robo blast were bassically the FIRST sonic fangame
Where did you get or find the "Unknown Build" footage?
16:05 What's with the M.C. Escher platforms?
alright so im wondering about a thing so in what version did rocky mountain and miner maze zone exist in cuz i couldnt finy any advice that mmz and rmz is in that version
How did you get those demo 2 era builds? I've never seen them be released ever.
The maps were publicly released by the devs at some point.
There's a mod called demo quest in which it has all the levels of the original zone lineup before they got scrapped (it's on the message board btw)
They should bring back Mine Maze and Rocky Mountain as totally new zones!
This is how the zones should go:
Greenflower Zone
Techno Hill Zone
Deep Sea Zone
Mine Maze Zone (At the end of the zone there would be a cutscene where the player goes inside a tunnel that would leads to)
Castle Eggman Zone
Rocky Mountain Zone (At the end of the zone there would be a cutscene where the player goes to a wood elevator that leads to)
Arid Canyon Zone
Red Volcano Zone
Dark City
Grand Eggship
Egg Rock
Black Core
What'd ya think?
Honestly i just want both acts of rocky mountain and both acts of mine maze to be retextured and combined into a bonus stage each
Edit: they already have a remix of mine maze in 2.2 but its not used for anything lol
Why, just WHY are you always putting both the Rocky Mountain and Arid Canyon in comments like these?
GREENFLOWER
TECHNO HILL
DEEP SEA
CASTLE EGGMAN
MINI MAZE
ROCKY MOUNTAIN (with rings)
ARID CANYON
RED VOLCANO
FROZEN HILLSIDE
HIDDEN PALACE
DARKCITY
FOREST FORTRESS
EGGROCK
BLACK CORE
good ordem AND
christmas levels
WOO ANOTHER VIDEO!!!!
The "unknown build" looks interesting, where did you find it?
apparently it was published a while ago
never heard of it but I did find the early level wad included in the video...
@@vertz1515 Do you still have the link to the early level wad? i really like how it looks like, its probably not accurate or probably is.
What is this SUGOI you speak of at 4:45?
It's a mod (more like a colaborative project).
Here's the link: mb.srb2.org/showthread.php?t=41903
Btw, SUGOI is an acronym that means "Shut Up and Get On It"
@@clonefighter1996 best name ever
I believe someone is porting ALL of it to 2.2, but it's gonna take a long time before that's finished
how this zone in my opinion pass to be the worst zone in all the versions, to be the best xD
Nice video!
The sad guitar in proto ACZ 2 tho 😭
11:21 *hmm... that sounds familiar*
Next do Red Volcano zone please!
Its now available!
@@retroboy-fh1ji Yippee! Thanks dude
Yey! Thanks for uploading this video. Red Volcano's next. 😊
3:54 Greenflower💀
💀
14:39 Someone has the wrong sector tag somewhere...
unknown build?
either this was pre recorded in the past or it’s a Add-on for the game
It was a build released by the developers several years ago, they just don't know when it was created or what exactly it was created to be.
thanks, I wanted to know since i was unsuccessful to find any documentation of it anywhere else on the internet
edit: found a level wad but still no build, I’m starting to suspect that it’s outdated
Question for Egg Rock: Will you be including Egg Rock Core/Black Core in there too?
Quackers Encheese Yep!
@@DylanDude Ah.
Another question: Will there be a bonus video on Dark City/Grand Eggship? The reason I say bonus video is because DCZ and GEZ aren't in SRB2.
@@quackersencheese5081 they are going to be
How do i Find Mine Maze and Rocky Mountain?
Demo 2.
I wonder what took so long?
Also good video!
Thank you! I had a summer class with a tight timetable.
@@DylanDude Your welcome! also is Red volcano or Egg rock next?
@@aimeers2561 Red Volcano.
@@DylanDude That's what I'm thinking of for the next history
23:47 what is that blue ball doin there
How do i Download SRB2 Demo 2 Era?
I do have a bunch of levels from the demo 2 era
@@vertz1515 How do i Get it?
You can get it through the SRB2 20 Years Ago Neocities website. TH-cam won’t let me send the link
@@vertz1515 How do i Access SRB2 20 Years Ago Neocities?
Just type in SRB2 20 Years ago Neocities on Google. Go to the first result that pops up and then on the top of the website, click downloads and once you are in the downloads page, click on wads and then you’re in
i like these videos
Where'd you find 2016 Arid Canyon?
It's on the SRB2 Message Board, it's actually a part of an acz2 museum wad.
So good
The title for arid canyon in 2.2 beta says: 2016 arid canyon
So it is fake right?
*right?*
*RIGHT?*
When this is all done I will comile it into a single video with even more info.
Why demo 2 is more complete then final dem?
💀
Arid canyon zone act 1 & 2 & the changes so crazy this game have but he not like it but is a very good game for everyone
rocky mountain is favorite level of srb2 beta and demo 2 era link please
16:26 is the scariest part
29:46 WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED WITH THAT TNT BARREL
6:58 slaps so friggin hard
Me: wow arid canyon zone is very fun.
Same Me: d%%m turtle, d%%m bombs,. d%%m rope mechanic.
Same me again: I love minecart mechanic.
Damn
OMG I SWORE OMG OHNO
next is red volcano ^^
Este video fue subido el dia de mi cumpleaños
Beta arid canyon 2 definitely got the minecarts done way better.
rapid dash 10:08
Bro this game is older than me lmao
Red Volcano Zone's act 2 was never playable, only the 1st act
In official releases, at least.
@@DylanDude Act 2 wasn't even in V2.2
It is planned for 2.3, so make sure to check in on their website for updates: www.srb2.org/
@@clonefighter1996 WHAT
On very early betas was already playable. But unfortunely only 1 version contained that prototype
Mine maze is actually kinda cool in my opinion.
0:56 ITS SRB1 TGF NOT SRB2 TGF
I will skull all of your comments
💀
its srb2
SRB2 has a TGF demo
4:14 cheese zone
Mini maze more like ULTRA BIG MAZE
was the first game made horribly horrible purposely on purpose?
11:07 *insert comment here*
1:06 infierno
What's Next? Egg Rock Throughout History?
Mine maze zone more like Minecraft cave zone
my brother made that same joke with no context of the zone or your comment
NGL thats kinda true
Mine maze is very confusing tbh