The Disappointing & Forgotten Sonic Series
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*I love how having no other playable character other than Sonic was a selling point in 2010.*
Man thank God I can't play as Knuckles this game Would have been terrible if i could
@@boombob3Di hate playing as my least favorite character metal sonic
what’s that? what do you mean he’s only playable in spin-offs and side modes? i’m not supposed to think about that or else i’ll cry myself to sleep
@@boombob3D People used to hate Sonic's friends back then. The 2010s were dark times.
@@Sonic_The_Weredogyeah it sucked lmao.
SEGA needs to escape the monotony.
While Frontier is breaking away from it, that is technically a postgame DLC.
And Dream Team is an Apple Arcade exclusive game.
Man "Sonic 4" really didn't deserve the title when the Sonic Advance series is so much better.
Sonic Mania absolutely should've been the Sonic 4 we got. It just feels like it belongs as part of the original five titles, it fits right in with Sonic 1, 2, 3, Knuckles and CD.
Fr sonic advance was the sonic 4 back then
@@koolaid33
"it fits right in with Sonic 1, 2, 3, Knuckles and CD."
Maybe because 2/3rds of Mania is just a retread of those games lmao.
@@koolaid33Nah, Mania can't be Sonic 4 because it's mostly just a copy of the first 3 and it had no intention to evolve the series with each iteration the way it was on the Genesis.
Gee, it’s almost like it was only called Sonic 4 for marketing reasons or something.
Sonic 4 was originally a mobile game called Sonic The Portable until Sega decided to rename into sonic 4. you can still see the original name (sonic the portable) on the Ferris wheel in the background of casino street zone. This explains why the graphic look the way that is does because the game made for a mobile release.
"Sonic 4" could worked 100 times better if it was sold only on phones... and having another name don't forget that!
But it is on phones!
@@MustacheDLuffy he said " *only* on phones"
Eh, it didn't hurt too much to have it on consoles. If only it wasn't literally branded as a sequel and marketed as such, it could have made for a great $10 title or something.
I mean, Xbox Live Arcade was a thing, so having a sort of 2.5D pseudo-rehash of Sonic as a small anniversary release would have made *some* sense, even if it sucked a little gameplay-wise. Same for the PS3 with the PSN store. Could have made for a small time waster.
The Wii version was the only one that ended up actually making sense since that console was more on the casual side, just like releasing it on Mobile.
But a "fully-fledged" sequel to one of the most critically acclaimed games in the franchise? I'm sorry, but that's like playing Russian Roulette with a fully loaded Revolver.
Episode 2 made more sense all-in-all but the fate of this game is pretty sad.
Was originally supposed to be called "Sonic: The Portable."
@@mark030a Good point!
I remember playing the mobile version of Episode 2 a long time ago, man those were the memories.
Yo I know
Yeah
Me too.
I eat the cotton candy from my
Yeah man 2014 was such a great time for me
I still think the game is ass but I have good memories with it
The thing was if Sonic 4: episode 2 was successful then a Third Episode would be released. But SEGA decided to work on sonic games for the Wii U and 3ds instead, because of that stupid 3 game Nintendo deal.
Actually I don't think the deal had anything to do with that. Episode 2 just did not sell as well as Episode 1 did, which is what put the Sonic 4 Sub-Series in the Scraps.
Episode 2 was in development before 1 was even out. By the time 2 was basically done Sega ultimately decided cancel it, and have Dimps work on different projects. They apparently briefly considered doing an Ep3 with Christian Whitehead after his mobile ports of CD, but they fell through.
I feel like Sonic 4 wasn’t successful for a reason. I would love a remake of 3D blast, or at least revisiting those zones, because some of them were really cool and there was an element of puzzle solving
i personally love sonic 4, mostly because of nostalgia, but also loving to think of the potential it could have
i just want to drop this comment to explain why the physics in Sonic 4 seem to be so weird, from what i've gathered, it seems like Sonic 4 was built in the Sonic Rush engine, which is why Sonic sticks to walls,uncurls when going out of ramps and has a spin dash that slows down. It's not something you notice as much in Sonic Rush, but that's because both the boost and boost heavily compensate for the weird physics.
why they didn't just use the sonic advance physics is beyond me
Yeah, In this case, they just opted to reused the physics engine instead of trying to build something similar to the classic titles, like what they had did with Sonic Advance 1.
Hey!Sega'nın telefonlara Sonic Rush'ı portladıklarıni ve bundan vaz gectiklerini duymuştum.Ayrıca Dimps hem Sonic Rush hem de Sonic 4'ü geliştirdi.
Sonic 4 is not that bad if you consider it as a simple mobile game made during the early 2010s. I bet this game wouldn't be so hated if they kept the original name and didn't had all these teasers.
I feel like calling it 4 implies quality in line with the og trilogy, which we didnt get in a classic title until mania (though im still mad that sega didnt let that game have fully original stages)
@@sixty5notch796 It's because Mania was a very short game. The addition of old stages was to make it big and fitting as an anniversary title. Remember, one of the game's selling point before launch was "it's longer than Generations".
My thoughts exactly. If this was called literally ANYTHING other than Sonic 4, nobody would give a damn about it. Just another subpar 2D Sonic platformer Sega sent out on phones just to cash in on the mobile gaming craze.
I find it hilarious the fact that if look closely at some of Sonic 4 backgrounds you can see the game's original title, Sonic the Portable. Yes, it was meant to be a smartphone game
@@pablocasas5906 Sonic the Portable
These games on the Ouya got me back into sonic so they will always have a special place in my heart.
This comment is cursed. Ouya AND Sonic 4? A match made in hell.
@@user-vi4xy1jw7e fr. it just reminded me of this crazy STEM teacher I had who said TH-cam was going to be paywalled and the Ouya was going to singlehandedly antiquate the entire console market and become the only platform. I can only imagine what he had to say about the Google Stadia back when you'd get an ad for it every 5 seconds
I personally really love Episode 2. I think the Levels are really fun to play, especially trying to run through then really fast because the physics are quite good and the homing attack allows very fluid turning. The Music is also a big step up, most tracks are quite nice and funny. I’d say it also has the best co-op multiplayer of any Sonic game. And it’s just 2€.
YESSS THIS!!! And episode 3 was gonna be worked on by Christian Whitehead and would have shown even MORE improvements and probably would have been amazing!!!
@@SurfRayfun fact:some people have made stuff like sonic 4 episode 3 a channel that has alot of stuff called glitch678
Episode 2 is mid
@@ShadyFanEdits No
@@lukchem Well,the co-op sucks,the soundfont makes my ears suffer,the physics are terrible,Modern Sonic,the homing attack,the controls,THE GODDAMN LEVEL DIFFICULTY(*cough* Sky Fortress *cough*). But at least it's better than Episode 1.
I really think it wouldn't hurt for Sega to make a Sonic 4 Episode 3, especially since Sega's gotten their act together with 2D Sonic so well with amazing games like Rush, Advance, maybe Superstars, and especially Mania. It might even have a chance to be good
Superstars was the only one of these that was made after 4 by Sonic Team
@@Rusty_Spy Superstars and Sonic 4 weren't even made by just Sonic Team.
What would be the point of that, everything that was new about sonic 4 was bad. You either carry over those aspects and the game sucks, or you don't carry them over and there's no point in calling it sonic 4.
@@ohno5559 That's not true Sonic 4 Ep II was a significant step up from I while keeping what kept it sonic 4 resulting in a flawed but solid game with Ep III they could easily do the same.
@@johnman8398 The tails/sonic combo moves were a legitimate development, it would be fair to carry those forward (but make them execute a lot faster).
Outside of that though, most of the improvements in episode II were in fixing mistakes episode I introduced, like the visuals. Nothing that really establishes a solid "sonic 4 identity" that can be carried forward.
Considering the main distinguishing feature of Sonic 4 was the godawful physics, they'd be better off taking what elements worked in episode II and using them elsewhere rather than trying to continue under the Sonic 4 identity.
I feel like I am the only person who liked these games. I can obviously see why they were hated because of the name mostly but the games were fun to me. Especially part 2 where they fixed a lot of the original issues.
The games are alright. The problem is that they called it Sonic the Hedgehog 4, making it being compared and expected to live up to the genesis games. It also was very short and copied a lot from the Genesis games. If it was released as Sonic the Portable as it was meant to be originally, it would get a lot less hate. Yet Sega was Sega and got greedy. It failed to live up to the name it was given and was punished for it.
Episode II was OK but still imo the biggest issue with Sonic 4 was that you would spam the homing attack to kill badnicks and reach higher parts of the level, instead of using actual skilled platforming like in the Genesis/Mega Drive games, a point not really mentioned in this video. It's fun for what it is though. I tend to agree with Cybershell: Sonic Mania was the true Sonic 4
Way too mid
Sonic 4 ep1 wasn't bad. Sonic 4 ep 2 was better.
I like sonic 4
8:15 huge props to your editing, those transitions were perfect
I really wish we got Sonic 4 Episode 3. Episode 2 was a step up in terms of look and story, so episode 3 could've been really special. Also episode 1 was fun with Super Sonic and the first 3 Splash Hill acts are some of Sonic's best levels.
I hear Episode 3 was gonna be done by the people who made the Castle of Illusion remake. And that was a hit.
Episode I would be a passable mobile spin-off (as originally intended) but sucked as a multi-platform mainline release. Episode II is phenomenal no matter how you look at it, genuinely a banger.
When you realize sonic superstars is The true sonic 4
that shit is mid too
@@SonplaysMinEcraftI haven't played it but I heard that the boss battles is what drag the game down.
@@SonplaysMinEcraftDid you even play it?
@@EternityVoid_On my first playthrough, I didn't struggle at all with a majority of the bosses. People just suck at video games.
@SonplaysMinEcraft "mid too" I wouldn't really say sonic 4 is mid, I feel like it's straight up just bad while superstars is just mid.
I think White Park is inspired by Sunset Park from Sonic Chaos, but with snow now, which makes it so unique that it's basically original aside from the boss (which is how I came to this realization)
Sunset park is from Sonic Triple Trouble
I actually remember when Sonic 4 Episode 3 got cancelled. It was pretty devided, because you have one side who were glad this fail cash grab didn't fully take off. Then you have the other side who were mad cause this means we blew our chances on playing as Knuckles, after so long. Hilariously, more people were mad for the fact we blew our chances getting *BLUE SPHERES* again. Luckily, Sonic Mania came around, and both sides were like "we good now."
Bro Sonic 4’s music is actually good
My personal favourite is Sky Fortress Act 2
Some music is good Yeah.
I'm tired of pretending it's not. go to any Superstars OST and the comments will all be 6 months old and have only bad things to say unless it's one of the small handful you can immediately tell were from Tee Lopes. Jun wasn't even the only composer besides Tee Lopes but if people can't immediately tell, they get real biased real quick because that's the popular thing to do.
12:32 I think on the mobile version of Sonic 4 Ep. 1, there's a worse version of Super Sonic jumping up towards the camera.
If I remember correctly, this version had it where, at the very last frame of the animation of him jumping towards you, it'll switch to a still png of him glowing & shifting the opposite way the original animation had him going before abruptly switching to the worse png.
I may be remembering it wrong tho
Edit: Also, on the mobile version of Sonic 4 Ep. 2, the characters had static parts of models instead of fully animated expressions like the console versions. Just wanted to note that
Yeah I just knew you were going to talk about Sonic 4 and I think most people did just because of the recent polls you posted. Kind of like that idea though because it kind of gives us clues as to what you're going to do next and helps us prepare for it.
Back then I would have been happy to see there be an episode 3. I had initially enjoyed Sonic 4 episode 1 when it first came out but yes looking back at it I'd say it was just okay. I did enjoy Sonic 4 episode 2 when that came out and it's definitely better than the first episode but yeah I think it ran its course looking back at it. I mean there's not really anything new that could have done with Sonic 4 episode 3 besides just add knuckles which isn't new. They would just be following the pattern of what they already did before with the classic Genesis series.
i love how this guy can make a 5 minute video into a 20 minute one
12:00 Oh wow, I had no idea about this! Nice detail. :)
This is the game or 06 that people will constantly tell Sonic fans that these are the 2 games that killed the franchise over and over and over again to the point that it gets tiring yknow its coming when you hear."Oh yeah, well, at least my company didn't make 06nor sonic 4".
Downfall started with Adventure 2
it's so fucking annoying especially because 06 is actually really good, it's just got REALLY bad physics. i dont think it's what killed the series at all, what killed the series was SEGA rushing sonic team and making them crunch and then also the marketing they did for a while in the 2010s with the edgy humor and all of that dumb shit 🙄 they were actively killing their own brand. it was nothing to do with the games Lol
Fun fact: the ducks had to do the music while Jun Sunoe had to conduct them. That’s why Sonic 4’s soundtrack sounds like quack.
Sonic Triple Trouble 16-Bit, also known as Sonic 4, is one of the greatest fan games to ever be made. It sticks true to the authenticity of the main games while also remaking everything that made the original Triple Trouble so goo- *wait what do you mean that's not what we're talking about?*
There is a sonic 4 episode 3, its called sonic superstars
sonic 4 is my favorite sonic game it was a best great underrated sonic game to me it wasn't bad disappointing game to me
16:57 when I first saw this I thought of the stage 2 boss of contra for some reason
0:04 sonic unleashed is the best sonic game if not generations and i will stand by this
Bro just cause you grew up on them and like them doesnt mean that theyre definetifely the best, try things from all eras of sonic not just boost, i just recently beat s3&k for the first time and its so damn good
@@sixty5notch796 i played allmost every era of sonic, unleashed is objectively the best sonic game and i will stand by that
word i'm in the same camp. shit was my childhood and everyone can pry that from my cold dead hands werehog stages included
@@sixty5notch796dawg just bc theyve played unleashed and think it's the best doesn't mean they haven't played every game? i also have and it's still my #1.
@@callie-flower3177 for real cuh
Here's how i'd make sonic 4 ep3.
Sprite based, with Knuckles being a new bad guy, tails is still there but the 4 new zones are this.
1. Shroom Forest
2. Sunburn Desert
3. Aerolite Bastion
4. Skyline Plant (Chemical plant but its in the sky.
5. Deviled Egghold
Lost world is my favorite.
Genuinely hated how long the era of sega where they would bully their own franchise and make it a selling point.
Thank God it stopped.
Outside of Sonic 4 (which is a stretch) when was bullying their own franchise a selling point?
@@johnman8398 it was heavy during Meta era, they had arron (from game grumps) as their main sponsor which was weird cause he would constantly shit on the games and devs, in a lot of videos they would make fun of their start in 3D like 06 or even claiming adventure was bad. It was all in their social media and it was annoying
@@AlexSzubkaIt wasn't all that heavy in the modern era unless you were terminally online. Having Arin as a sponsor doesn't mean they're bullying their franchise as a selling point, he's also a fan of sonic. It wasn't all over their social media either.
@@johnman8398 you can watch their previous anniversary videos or just look back at their old social media if you care that much. this isn't just a personal feeling alot of people have noticed this.
0:30 can someone tell me what game/simulation is Kiro using here to show us Sonic?
That's Sonic 3's first zone, Angel Island Zone.
@@koolaid33
they mean everything _around_ sonic 3. the room.
that being said, i have no clue.
something that runs doom
@@smolbrendan5978 yess that's what I meant
It's EmuVR. Has support for systems up to PS2 and even has lightgun support (best in VR, of course).
Sega's attempt of copying the New Super Mario Bros. series
Shut yo ass😭
To the first question, the best sonic game would be Sonic Generations, Classic Sonic is good, Modern Sonic is Good, The missions are good, the bosses are good (except for the last one)
There is absolutely bad stuff on the game
I think it's really funny how the same guys that made the rush series, pocket adventure and advance series also made sonic 4 and sonic generations 3DS
Sonic is an Icon and has never been forgotten, the series is still going today.
I think the title is misleading because this was a video about Sonic 4 and not at all about the series as a whole.
I don’t mind only playing as Sonic in the games that have a good story. The games that don’t have a good story/ want to tell multiple stories I love to have different characters to play as for DIFFERENT STORIES
Who cares about the story
Honestly sonic 4 would probably be a bit more memorable if it had original zone concepts. I enjoy a playthrough of both games every once in a while. Sega could make a definitive sonic 4 game using the assets and maybe even models from sonic super stars. Potentially even add in some extra end game stuff to fill in the episode 3 area and boom. A complete title just called Sonic the hedgehog 4
9:07 except labyrinth
If Sonic 4 would've had a 3rd installment, I bet it would be a great redemption game as Episode II was only the tip of the iceberg. At least Superstars is as close to Episode III as we could get, ig
Whenever I tell people that I actually like sonic 4, they always give me weird looks
I like the game too, it should not have the name title 4.
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What is that game where you put a lot of tvs running games / videos?
Jun is an absolute legend, but the man's just not cooking when it comes to classic sonic era music.
In retrospect, these supposed continuations of the 2D games using Sonic's Adventure-onward design is made very awkward by the fact that, very shortly after they came out, Sonic Generations became a thing, and thus Classic Sonic was recognized as his own entity (I guess the prior implication was that Adventure Sonic is how Sonic always was, just that the newer design interprets him differently..... though the Archie comics made Sonic's change in design very explicit and even acted as a plot point).
They should release episode 3 but have Christian whitehead redo the first 2 and make the third
this was one of the few 3d sonic games i played after the classic trilogy, i thought this was amazing when i was younger. now i think this game is okay, it probably didn’t deserve the title as Sonic The Hedgehog 4.
It's a 2D game though
@@midi_feline so it is.
It's funny that Sonic 4 Episode 2 purposely left the good ending scrapped so that Episode 3 can continue off where the previous episode ended. Unfortunately, this resulted in a nonstop Time Loop between Sonic CD and both Sonic 4 games, going from Sonic CD 1993, Sonic 4 Ep. 1, Sonic 4 Ep. 2, and to Sonic CD 2011, then back to Sonic 4 Ep. 1, and repeat.
Bringing up Sonic 4 is like bringing up the 4th diary of a wimpy kid movie or Shrek 3, no one wants to remember they exist and it’s a perfect trilogy on all 3 occasions if you just erases those from existence.
I think Sonic 4 is unironically the best 2D Sonic game ever. I should probably go to a doctor.
I didn't think sonic 4 was bad but that was kind of because I was young so I thought anything was good but I think the wii ver still has the best soundtrack
Bruh nobody forgot about these games, they’re a regular punchline when people talk about Sega’s nostalgia-baiting
I’ll say cause I want to Sonic 4 episodes 1,2 and Metal will always be my favorite Sonic games than the nowadays Sonic games including frontiers
They put more effort into the endings than the entirety of episode 1
not even a sonic fan but i'll always show up for your videos
i remember playing sonic 4 on my dad's playstation as a kid, thinking it was a demo because of how quickly you can beat it
Video idea: upgrading in games
I can't really tell what I think of Sonic 4 ep2 because I have the game on steam but I can't play it because as soon as the title screen comes up I have to press any button or something. And I press literally every button I can and nothing happens, this has been a problem for me a very long time. I've actually wanted to play it tbh.
people better not start saying “oh this game is a hidden gem” like how people are saying 06 is secretly good which I can BARELY get behind because of the music and shotty story, because liking shit games like Sonic 4 and Sonic Forces are the reason we were just in a dark age for Sonic
Blinded by nostalgia
Are we really in another Sonic Dark Age? Frontiers was mostly well reviewed and sold very well, we got two successful live-action movies, there was the Netflix show and Knuckles' TV series broke ratings records for Paramount+
Sonic 4 and Forces aren't shit they're mid at worst and shouldn't ever be compared to the likes of 06 which is genuinely bad.
rewriting this bc i was a little too aggressive in my last comment even though im not really mad? lol but 06 was good, genuinely. i appreciate what they were trying to do with it's story, and i like the different direction they took with it tbh. it's just burdened by bad/glitchy physics bc of how it got rushed and i Wish it wasn't bc it deserves better. elise and sonic don't count as a complaint tho LOL if it's a genuine one... pls. grow up.
@@user-vi4xy1jw7edawg i’m 17 06 was my first sonic game 😭😭
The music for sonic 4 sounds like a composter trying to make music for a retro kiddy game, but the composer for sonic 3 and knuckles was trying to make music for an awesome new game for anyone. The sonic games were never aiming to be childish, they missed the whole point.
You only heard the boss music, didn't you?
jsyk the entirety of the first game's ost is comprised of korg triton presets aside from the tr-626 snare
4 episode 2 has extremely good music and pretty good gameplay
I eat the cotton candy from my walls and
I played trough Sonic 4 Episode 2 on Xbox 360 and now on Xbox One S but I couldn't beat the final boss and can't get the last emerald. I love it tho. I think it was my first official Sonic game as a kid ❤️🥺 ALSO THE MUSIC IS FIRE!! I recently bought and played through Sonic 4 Episode 1, it's garbage A
I always wondered why Sonic 4 was so short, this made the game less enjoyable in my opinion.
16:30 isn't combining those 2 basically just porting levels?
That's essentially what they did with Episode 1...the characters like sonic and the enemies are 3D models, certain parts of the background are also 3d models, then the rest and especially the foreground are flat images previously rendered in some kind of 3D art program pieced together in layers. So mixing those art styles in that way with different lighting sources creates color clashes and ruins the depth perception. Episode 2 on the other hand seems to use shaded 3D models for characters and textured models for everything else including the bosses so it finally looks normal with proper lighting. Episode 2 was better but that's not saying much with how much of a dumpster fire Episode 1 was. This episodic experiment they did not help Sonic's reputation at all but luckily they got things right with Sonic Generations in 2011 which to me still reigns as king of the 3D Sonic games. None of the 3D attempts afterwards capture the level design, pacing, and quality of Generations.
i've always shared the opinion that jun senoue shines the brightest in COMPOSING music and LIVE instrumentation/performance, whereas other members of sonic team worked on the actual sounds, particularly on the genesis soundchip. While his compositions for StH4 sound decent, they're bogged down by a very "first time using FLStudio" quality. instead of having proper sound engineers translate his work to sound retro, they might have just left him alone to emulate the genesis soundchip with premade midi sounds, which isn't his specialty. i feel like they also did this for later sonic games with nostalgic flow, like generations and forces, hence the same-y Sonic 1 drumkit.
im gonna be honest the first time i saw the game i deadass thought it was a fangame that could have gotten possibly even made in scratch if the animations looked like they were 3d renders turned into png at 3 fps like the background
episode 2 snow stage reminds of snow stage from advace 2
This is one of those games that would actually benefit with a remake.
18:14 this music sounds like something from megaman
yuki naka being arrested for insider trading will never not be funny
How did you grow up with the Awkward era and _Sonic Mega Collection_?
11:15 but I love the soundtracks of sonic 4.❤
I enjoyed the Sonic 4s all right when they came out, but they're hard to go back to now that we have better modern 2D Sonic games.
Blue Sphere is the second best of the Classic Sonic (Sega Genesis + Addons) Special Stages if you ask me.
I still don't like it, but it's at least fair, which neither the second game or Sonic 2 can really say due to poor depth rendering and expectation of memorization respectively, Sonic 1 is just a bit too janky with its Special stages, sitting in 3rd, and Chaotix, which forgot to have anything in its normal levels is amazingly the best for Special Stages, with some REALLY low poly but function 3D graphics, and some fun layouts to navigate.
what's that "liminal space game" in the intro and some of the cuts?
Nobody can decide what a liminal space actually is, damn
Emuvr link in description
Interesting thing with episode 1's lighting: At some point the horrid cel shading got removed from the mobile version. It still doesn't looks as good as episode 2, as the lighting and shading now come entirely from the textures, but it definitely looks better than the game originally did
Also the music has good composition, it's just the instrumentation that really sucks
I don't think the mobile port ever had the "cel shading" thing-
@@midi_feline oh interesting, I wasn't aware of that but thinking about the phones of the time it makes sense
i think they used modern sonic's design because this came out before generations, modern and classic werent really established yet, classic wasnt younger sonic or anything, modern sonic was just sonic
I'm the one guy who actually does keep up with all the Sonic mobile games, Sonic Forces Mobile is pretty good. But I don't think these games would have been liked that much more if they were called something else, they'd probably just be considered a disappointing follow up to the Sonic Advance and Rush series
I am surprised SEGA dropped the ball musically. Even Sonic 1 had decent music theory behind it and each successor improved on that foundation. Instead of synth spam, Sonic 4 could’ve done well with plain old piano and strings in half the stages, and radical rock in the other half
we need you to talk about sonic riders + heroes please
I do like Ep 1 and 2 a little, but its a shame it got the Hedgehog 4 title in it.
Never been this early..
This Game needs a Remaster, under it's Intended Name, Sonic The Portable.
it will be a very dumb more from Sega to make a remaster of a hated game in the fanbase and it will also make some confusion for the casuals playing sonic.
I don't think there's a point in that. A remaster isn't gonna fix all it's downsides, no matter how badly we wish it would. On top of that, it's virtually impossible to see Sega do this. Sega is a company, regardless of how caring they are for the community, money comes first and Sonic 4 is not profitable, especially nearly 15 years later with all the negative press on it being out.
Probably yes? With upgrade visual and physics.
never beat sonic 3 and knucles. but did beat CD. and definitely Mania like a thousand times
What’s the game at the beginning?
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0:28 He missed the first chaos emerald!!
Gonna be honest, after playing though Sonic Superstars a few weeks ago which frustrated the heck out of me due to its final bosses, I play Sonic the Hedgehog 4 Episodes 1 and 2 over that game in an instant.
And even with what Sega says, I'm still hoping for a Sonic the Hedgehog 4 Episode 3.
you have a thing you stick to and you know what. i admire that
@@callie-flower3177 Well thanks.
Yeah, Sonic 4 was as shallow as it could get. Even if both episodes were released as a single game, it's still underwhelming. Sega might have eyed out what Nintendo did with the 2D Mario game and most likely thought:"They did 3D for the looks and slapped it in a DS game while still being in 2D, so let's cash grab on Sonic's former level designs with minor differences so they don't notice it while going with that Nintendo approach." We noticed Sega... Wii... noticed...
Nintendid what Sega didn't
Sonic 4 doesn't exist. There is no such thing as Sonic 4.
Ah, yes...Sonic 4. I've never really was hyped about Sonic 4 when SEGA first unveiled it. Since Sonic Colors was announced within that same year, I was more excited for that one instead.
Same for Sonic 4:EP2, I was more excited for Sonic CD (2011) remake & Sonic Generations (3DS). They just seemed to look MUCH better than what Sonic 4 was going for.
GIVE US EPISODE 3
*What is the best Sonic game?*
It’s Sonic Jam on the Gamecom of course
And maybe it should stay that way when even Superstars stomps on these.
SOME tracks are pretty good though 🎶
Funny we had the Advance and Rush games yet all went "FINALLY SONIC 4?????" at the sight of a logo. What we got was the Sonic equivalent of Mighty No. 9.
The classic Sonic games also have a "overly synthy and twangy" soundtrack then 😱😱
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everyone who says this is missing the point
the composers of the classic sonic games pushed the Genesis sound chip to its limits, squeezing every drop of worth they could get out of it. they were trying to make the OSTs for the games sound GOOD. They wanted to make music, which they did. Games like 4 and Superstars completely miss the point of why people liked the classic's OSTs and why it sounded synthy and twangy to begin with. Technological limits. You see how Sonic CD doesn't have the same sound OST as the other 3 games, the composers got an upgrade in sound quality and took advantage of that. They *evolved* what they had previously had.
It's the 9th generation of gaming, if you're going to make a follow-up to the Genesis games, you DON'T wanna go back 30 years and purposely make your OST sound like gargled garbage (cough cough Superstars)
Tee Lopes had the right idea when composing for Mania. Taking the design, or feel (for lack of a better term. I'm not a music guru) of the classic sonic games' OSTs and improving upon them. Notice how none of the songs in that game have that awful percussion?
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This is an unfair comparison. You can't compare the classic Sonic games OSTs to 4 because the only reason they sound like that to begin with is because of hardware limitations. They weren't trying to make it sound like that, they were trying to make it sound like high-quality compositions, to the best of their ability. It's the whole reason why Sonic CD and Mania sound the way it does. The technology allowed for higher quality, so they USED it. To put it simply, purposely going backward in composition for the sake of "nostalgia" is completely missing the point of what made the OSTs of those games special in the first place.
@@ironicallyuncreative Cry me a river, I'm not readin' all that
@@midi_feline there's a TL;DR at the bottom for people like you.
I'm sorry you can't read more than 5 words at a time. Must be hard.
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> "the composers of the classic sonic games pushed the Genesis sound chip to its limits"
No they didn't. Compared to other Genesis games, Sonic songs were *very* basic in arrangement. The majority of them don't even use every channel at once. So this is simply false. A solid half of 3&Knuckles' OST completely neglects the PSG channels.
> "You see how Sonic CD doesn't have the same sound OST as the other 3 games, the composers got an upgrade in sound quality and took advantage of that."
Limitation=/=bad. Why do I keep seeing this argument everywhere? Limitation is one of the greatest sources of creativity. 2d gaming itself is a limitation, as there's no Z-axis. This whole idea of "FM synthesis bad, CD audio good" doesn't make any sense. Especially in this case, since Sonic 4 ACTUALLY DOES use modern synths.
Is Cardi B's music better than Beethoven's because her music uses more modern instruments? I love CD's music, but more stuff doesn't automatically make something better.
Hataya himself stated that CD's soundtrack is techno/house. This is still electronic "synthy" music, which is automatically bad according to you.
> "if you're going to make a follow-up to the Genesis games, you DON'T wanna go back 30 years and purposely make your OST sound like gargled garbage"
You yourself just said it's a follow-up to the Genesis games. Why can't the music reflect that? Also if you're implying the Genesis sounds like "gargled garbage" idk what to tell you.
> "Notice how none of the songs in that game have that awful percussion?"
Oh no, compressed samples! In a game where being retro is the entire point! 😱
So how do you feel about Tee Lopes also using Sonic 1/2 samples in his Sonic Origins work?
TL;DR: If "old sound bad" then nobody is allowed to play piano anymore as that instrument is hundreds of years old.