The Metal Gear Solid Iceberg Explained (Secrets, Easter Eggs, and Theories)
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The Metal Gear Iceberg is here! With the Metal Gear Solid Master Collection recently released, what's a better time than now to talk about Metal Gear Solid's weird, insane lore? In this video we'll go on a deep dive of all things Metal Gear, from cool little Easter eggs, to dumb conspiracy theories.
For more Metal Gear and retro video game content, follow @WesDoesGames
Timecode
0:00:00- Intro
0:01:07- Snake vs monkey
0:02:26- Metal Gear Solid 2 Skateboarding Game
0:03:24- Who is Johnny Sasaki?
0:04:40- David Bowie references in Metal Gear
0:05:30- Metal Gear Solid Meryl Dies ending
0:07:27- Meryl is from Policenauts
0:08:02- Metal Gear Survive
0:09:57- Metal Gear Solid 3 Time Paradox
0:11:21- The Quiet Controversy
0:13:30- Meryl's Codec
0:14:16- Non Canon Installments
0:16:48- European Extreme (Metal Gear Solid 2)
0:17:44- Metal Gear Solid 2 Original Ending
0:19:11- The Sorrow Boss Fight
0:20:17- Suzetta Miñet
0:21:36- Master Miller's Assassin
0:22:43- The Sorrow R1 Camera Secrets
0:23:30- Metal Gear Solid 4 Original Ending
0:24:30- Monster Hunter Crossover in Peace Walker
0:25:16- Kerotan Frogs (Metal Gear Solid 3)
0:25:52- The Cypress Statue
0:26:57- Killing The End Early
0:29:07- Kojima Cameos
0:29:52- Wolf Urine (Metal Gear Solid)
0:31:07- Venom Snake Water Bucket
0:31:55- Guy Savage Metal Gear Solid 3
0:33:01- Moai Heads Metal Gear
0:33:34- Hidden Codec Frequencies
0:34:16- Pachinko Machine (Metal Gear Solid 3)
0:35:39- Developer Ghosts in Metal Gear Solid
0:36:34- Venom Snake in Original Metal Gear MSX
0:38:42- World Peace (Phantom Pain)
0:39:48- Vamp Eyer (Metal Gear Solid 2)
0:40:27- Zanzibar Land is Tselinoyarsk
0:41:42- Battle Gear (Phantom Pain)
0:42:30- The Sorrow in Metal Gear Solid 4
0:43:20- Moby Dick (Phantom Pain)
0:45:10- Mission 51 (Phantom Pain)
0:46:07- Chapter 3: Peace (Phantom Pain)
0:46:55- Chinaman and Oldboy (Metal Gear Solid 2)
0:48:02- MSX tape (Phantom Pain)
50:57- Ocelot psychic powers The Sorrow
52:07- Chico is Quiet (Phantom Pain)
0:53:53- 204863 (Phantom Pain / PT)
0:55:27- Eyes on Kazuhira (Phantom Pain)
0:56:46- Parasites in Metal Gear Solid 3
0:58:01- Was Huey Emmerich Innocent? (Phantom Pain)
1:01:34- Ghost Babel was a Simulation for Raiden
1:02:41- Kaz was always working with Cypher
1:04:11- Skull face is Pscho Mantis' father
1:06:06- Everyone is Decoy Octopus
1:07:44- Code Talker trained Raiden
1:09:10- Secret Vlog #36 (Phantom Pain)
1:11:59- Outtro - เกม
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Solid iceberg video! I saw your comment on my latest iceberg and thought I'd snoop around your channel when I found this, and man it's great! Keep it up man!
Woah! That's high praise. I love your channel dude
@@WesDoesGames you're pretty good!
She’s also naked so she can have camo,
I just found your channel and really enjoyed it.
Bro thank you for using my clip for the sorrow!!! I remember recording it when I was in High school! I remember when I saw him I couldn’t find anyone else showing that he was in the game, so I naturally just recorded it and posted it to show the kids at school I wasn’t lying!
That's awesome! What are the odds you'd find this lol
that's super cool! and now you helped me discover this as well
You are a legend
That's cool
Quiet wearing sexy outfit in metal gear😡
Bear sex and beastiality in baldur turd 3 😃
I remember renting Metal Gear Solid and not having Meryls codec frequency, so I went to Walmart and asked to look at the CD case. Wrote it down on some receipt paper they gave me, went home, and wrote it in sharpie on the actual CD. You're welcome, whoever that helped.
You're a true patriot
Legend. Had that case in parents attic. Bought the digital version on presale and rather than Google like I should have, I landed to homestead at stupid o'clock to root in attic at even more stupid o clock. When the angry siblings realised what I was up to 2 helped me look. And 1 searched for alcohol food and espresso coffee, to get a marathon session going that every 15mins someone got tagged in. God to give up the spot in middle of a boss was frustrating.
I went by trial and error. Took me a solid 15min, but i found it.
Yeah, I had to go through every frequency. But I think the twin snakes version.
Ac!d was both great, second one was more anime style. Had both.
As a kid playing MGS, I would always get the "bad ending" since i wasn't good enough to beat the torture scene. But playing as an adult, i had to submit on purpose because i actually prefer that ending. I love the emotion that David Hayter gets out of the monologue he does "...I sold your soul to save my own!" makes me tear up every time.
It's a great scene
There's a neat secret codec call that you only get by fulfilling these conditions during the torture sequence:
-Win the first round of torture
-Have codec call in the cell
-Lose second round of torture
-Have codec call in the cell
Like you, I wasn't good enough to stand the torture when I was a kid, but when I finally could beat all rounds by myself, I used the codec after every round to see if something changed. Then I failed the second round on purpose and had a codec call. I was surprised, because the call starts with "Enclosure" playing and then Snake starts talking about how worthless he is for giving up. It then transitions to the talk about Big Boss, like usual.
Plus I just love everything about the last scene as Snake and Otacon ride away together. It was the beginning of the ultimate "bromance" and honestly is just one of the most satisfying endings I've ever seen.
little correction: kojima is still mentioned in master collection, his name and the nametag "A Hideo Kojima Game" are still present mgs1-mgs3 whenever you boot up a game and check it's logo (mgs2, mgs3). And the nametag "A Hideo Kojima Game" is still present in the opening credits of mgs1-mgs3. Honestly man, we should just let go of all of these konami controversies. It's almost 2024, it's been nearly 10 years since all of this happened. Half of the "we love cashgrab" konami management was thrown out of the studio after survive became a flop, and ever since 2019 konami has been planning a return to the gaming industry. Tbh, it's going... ehh... quite mid for them, but i hope this is only a hiccup for something greater for us metal gear fans in the future (master collection with mgr, portable ops, the great spin-offs and mgs4? hell yeah!)
If we can actually see MGS4 again on a modern console then Konami will earn some points back in my book.
its really silly how many times a fun fact is "Kojima wanted to do something weird and dumb but thank god his staff talked him out of it"
Well put
@@WesDoesGames you didn't even cover all the times we know that happened, he originally wanted Raiden to have a character trait of eating pigeon poop and once again had to be talked out of it
Oh god..
Well, in a world after Death Stranding, we can clearly see what happens when they DON'T talk him out of these things...
@@beetheimmortal yeah, we get a Package simulator with the air of Oscar bait movie and a budget to match
The addition of Venom Snake actually works well for Metal Gear 1 and 2 from a story point of view.
Since Big Boss would've kind of had to have been outside of Outer Heaven to send in Solid Snake to begin with in MG1, I would imagine the real Big Boss is out there openly handling FOXHOUND and you talk to him for the first half or so of the game, but then as Big Boss switches frequency partway through the game it probably shifts over to Venom Snake on the radio allowing for Big Boss to escape off to Zanzibar Land as Solid Snake is getting more likely to succeed.
I think you're right about all of that
As a kid I was so bad at the button mashing section of MGS1, the Meryl dying ending was the only ending I knew for years. I think I cried when I finally managed to save her life years later.
I’ve been studying metal gear for the last four years and I still didn’t know about a couple of these! Especially Eva’s voice actress that is wild.
Me too. I always assumed it was someone in particular, not just ???
Another cool thing about Snake Vs Monkey is that Ape Escape 3 returned the favor. If you beat AE3 (which I did), you can buy a mini game titled Mesal [sic] Gear Solid, which is a quite fleshed-out homage to Metal Gear, but with everyone including Snake being a Pipo Monkey.
That sounds adorable
Pineapples are grenades. 10/10.
If anyone's wondering what the pun is with "Mesal Gear Solid", in Japanese it's called "Mesaru Gear Solid" and Saru is Japanense for Monkey ^.^
This is probably one of the best edited icebergs I’ve ever seen. Most people just use the iceberg as a quick easy long video that they just talk and go down a list with some background footage for a quick upload.
Also I played the 3DS version of snake eater it was great I highly enjoyed being able to crouch
Maybe I should give it another try
Thanks, I appreciate your kind words
@@WesDoesGamesThe crouch walk has been modded into Snake Eater on the PC. It's not perfect, but something interesting.
I think the reason so many people have a hard time believing Huey is guilty is because Huey is effectively Otacon and Otacon is great and a bro so we want the same to be true for Huey because it's hard to believe someone who reminds us so much of Otacon would be a horrible person.
Which makes Otacon all the more greater, a dude so cool - you even try to redeem his absolutely iredeemable shitbag of a Dad, despite Otacon himself talking down about his father on multiple occasions. Yet Otacon is still so cool - you subconciously can't believe he could have a close relative Who is this awful.
It doesn't help that Kaz clearly isn't interested in hearing what Huey has to say unless it is a confession and is willing to torture him as long as it takes to hear what he wants.
Like others mentioned, I think Huey being a jerk heightens Otacons arc. He's overcoming the sins of the father
Otacon pretty much tells us in MGS2 his dad was morally bankrupt so I don’t see why anyone would have trouble hating Huey.
but miller was the traitor. hes why he lies "i cant believe we ever bought that cover story" even tho in PW he tells big boss straight up he knew the entire time at the end of the game. Brainwashing V and blowing up Motherbase was apart of that plan. GZ was actually V being brainwashed. We dont play as Big boss in GZ. Its insane. and the game gets even crazier.
huey is def not a good guy but he was the scape goat.
56:08 Miller says what when you rescue him? "no use for me" hes not talking bout you. Skull Face. Why do you think he wants revenge on Skull Face? Miller and Skull Face teamed up. Miller played us like a fiddle this entire time.
"I knew of paz and his true identity all along"
and you brought them from colombia?
"guilty as charged"
MGS V GZ "Cant believe we ever bought that cover story"
oh btw i meant huey was innocent to a point. not COMPLEETLY innocent. i mean he helped build salehenathropus for skull face even if he was help prisoner. so thats why i say what i did.
I'm genuinely surprised there were fun little easter eggs and secrets I didn't know about all these years being in the metal gear fandom. What a joy this was to watch and great job!
Glad you enjoyed!
Only 6 minutes in, and this is by far the most well-edited iceberg video I've ever seen. Props!
Hey, who's the female character on the video's thumbnail?
@@ronaldB2846 Quiet
Awesome video. I really appreciated your slightly more grounded take on the iceberg meme format. Most iceberg videos act as if every goofy topic has to be taken as gospel, and it's refreshing hearing someone be slightly more critical of the fan conspiracy BS icebergs are often rife with.
True, the iceburg people who take everything super seriously annoy me.
rlly enjoyed how you pieced together this iceberg video, the editing gave some sort of classified information vibe that we weren't supposed to know, kind of how the overall franchise feels with all of its very in depth lore and the overall theorising around very obscure topics or plot points.
crazy how even after the series has been well over concluded, we can still feel like there's something yet to be dug out, that phantom pain will keep on lingering
Thanks for the kind words!
My favorite theory for MGSV is from PythonSelkan, where Ishmael is actually just a figment of Venom’s psyche. Basically, Ishmael is just Venom’s instincts as a soldier and involuntary movements, which is why Ishmael isn’t seen after throwing the silencer and stops moving in the ambulance when the horn is shot. Ishmael is all that is left of The Medic after undergoing hypnogogia and psychotherapy.
It also explains why Ishmael has both of his blue eyes and doesn’t use CQC against Quiet while Venom just watches.
Another thing about the Moby Dick thing, Queequeg is also a thing in Moby Dick, only briefly is it seen in the Phantom Pain but they are another helicopter pilot that makes his first appearance when you find and fight Sahalenthropus for the first time. (As of typing this, it is also a star wars character apparently.)
Who's that?
@@WesDoesGames The son of a South sea chieftain apparently. The first principal character encountered by the narrator, Ishmael. Only briefly seen in MGSV.
Loved this, thank you so much for putting it together 🖤
Glad you enjoyed it!
this is literally the best executed iceberg video i’ve ever watched. your asides were entertaining, informative, and often hilarious. your writing is very natural and easy to follow. such polish is hard to find on a niche video about a video game. your voice work is engaging and follows the beats of your script perfectly. your sources are well-integrated. your clip selection and general editing elevates the script perfectly. your audio and sound engineering belies its medium with its quality.
10/10 will watch again while falling asleep
Wow, I'm gonna need to hire you as my hype guy for future videos, lol. Thanks so much for the feedback, that's all really encouraging to hear
I've been a fan of the MGS series for the past 24 years and learned a lot of things today from your video, thanks for making it!
Glad to hear it!
The "message from the parasites" I thought was because its very subtly hinted that Miller is the person who betrayed mother base in ground zeros. When I was first playing the game, I was sure Miller was the traitor and then that message solidified it for me. Huey is a weasel but I don't think he would betray snake
I think there's some intentional ambiguity with both of them. Huey is a weasel, but Miller doth protest too much
While it does make sense, i can hardly believe that Miller was working with Skull Face to tear down his own base. Because of his own demise and quest for revenge in Phantom Pain.
Great video. As a die hard Metal Gear fan this was very enjoyable! On a side note, I thought the Venom snake twist at the end of Phantom Pain was mind blowingly good, I'll never forget that moment.
It definitely stuck with me too
I thought the game ended before that mission and stopped playing. A week later I saw an article on it and got found out that way, I still went back to the game anyway to see it. Oh well
23:31 wow instant goosebumps from the music
If anything, the amazing thing that I found out in MSGV Ground Zero was there were already hints as to you are in fact NOT playing as Big Boss at the get go cause during one of the conversation that Kaz was having with Big Boss as he was sneaking around to find Paz and Chico was him mentioning that he could not believe that Paz was a double Agent (something along the line but I can't really remember what he said exactly) but he in fact revealed to Big Boss that he knew from the start during the ending of Peace Walker.
So the theory is, you are playing as Venom Snake in his version of the incident since they can imprint false memories on to people and possibly also why David Hayter was not asked to return to voice Big Boss is to avoid the big reveal and also this is all remember by the Medic so this is played back in his head even through some of the things are played on cassette tapes at the end of the Phantom Pain
I think Kaz is simply playing that he just found out about Paz being a spy when he actually knew much earlier. To reveal that he knew about it already would reveal he had worked with Cypher, which I believe he was keeping a secret at that point
Thanks for making this, it made me even more excited to play the games!
It's been great getting to replay them lately
I’ll never forget how dope it was playing Tony Hawk Pro Skater in MGS2.
Great video! I was a massive MGS fan over 10 years ago and haven't really gone back to it since. This popped up in the ol' algorithm randomly and I ended up watching to the end.
Appreciate the good work! All the best with future videos.
Thanks friend, I appreciate it
Loved the video and would absolutely love retrospectives on each MG game.
They're coming!
Just found this channel and wow the presentation was really nice with transitions. Great first impressions for me.
Awesome, thank you!
That was very enjoyable. I will definitely watch the retrospectives when you release them.
Awesome, thank you!
Yes yes yes refreshing, extremely well made and paced. Loved it!
Thank you!
You can get Meryl's codec number without looking on the back of the jewelcase. If you select and unselect the disk item you get over and over again the next time you.check your codec numbers Meryls will be there.
Woah, I've never heard that before, I'll have to test that :O
As a kid, I thought this was the only way to get it!
@@shaunslaughter2589 I think a lot of people did because so many other outlets published the same information. Seems like a case of collective misremembering; or more likely, people didn't remember it to begin with because they never saw it. Anyone remember the running gag where Ghandi was a war monger in the Civilization franchise due to a coding error in the early games? It did not become widespread news until decades later that the origin of that gag was also false.
@WesDoesGames it definitely works
Still learning new MGS Eastereggs 25 years later. Mind blowing
Because Chico was conceptualized as having a role in the game I like to think the idea has been that he is alive at least even he ended up not getting implemented in the game. However I don’t quite understand what he would want revenge against boss for? Chico could’ve been interesting to me if he was sort of like MGSVs cyber ninja- not literally but just has the same sort of interaction with boss that Snake has with Grey Fox, an assassin who both helps and hinders the protagonist, for a long while no one can tell who’s side he is really on before finding out the mysterious figure has a intégrele link to our protagonists past
Big Boss was pretty much responsible for all of the terrible stuff that happened in Chico's life from Peace Walker onwards. With all the best intentions (the worst things are done) Big Boss dragged a young boy into a life of never ending war and hardship even if merely by association, this life would cost him everyone he knew and loved. Poor kid's gotta have some crazy PTSD
fortunately he died so no PT SDcard for chico bambico rodriquez miguel the 17th @@DjDolHaus86
He was caught in the crossfire of Big Boss' war
@@WesDoesGames Yeah but Big Boss is daddy so yknow
@@DjDolHaus86 I can see why they originally wanted him in the game- with all the themes surrounding child soldiers he would’ve been the perfect ugly painting of the future of the child soldiers.
Great job! I loved the transitional metal gear artwork and what not, good stuff man
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thanks for your gigantic work on this iceberg !
Thanks for watching it!
Great video! Keep up the good work.
Thanks friend, that means alot
I don't understand how the MSX tape adds up because that scene takes place 11 years before the first Metal Gear.
There's a subtle time skip in the middle of the scene where Venom is looking in the mirror, indicated by the light color changing. The patch on his uniform also changes I believe
Oh okay! Thanks for the reply.@@WesDoesGames
Wow thanks for making this video!
I watched the entire thing
Nice work!
Glad you liked it!
Would seriously love to see more of this! Thought you presented it really well. I could watch a 6 hour long iceberg video 😅 make more!!!
Your comment made my day!
@@WesDoesGames ❤️
This was great! Man, I miss metal gear so bad. I really hope they find someone to make more Metal gear games someday. Hopefully they remake all the games at some point too.
I think how well Snake Eater Delta does will determine that. Hopefully it doesn't become a Phantom Menace 3d situation
The Guy Savage easter egg makes me wonder why guy savage was never an actual video game as it seems like it'd be kinda fun.
Great iceberg man! I've been fan of the series for almost 17 years now and didn't expect to learn anything new, but there were actually a few things I didn't know :)
So glad you got something out of it! :)
Very cool video with nice edits and clear explanation. I love good mgs lore videos and this one is s
definetly up there!
Much appreciated!
Holy cow this is well done.
I'm going to share. This is some underrated work here .
More people need to know
I'm subscribed and going to share
Thank you! That means a lot, I'm glad you liked it
Great video, but I do have to mention something that people seem to easily miss... In MGS4, Ocelot out-right admits that the whole arm possession is pure fake. I think it's him telling you during the last fight with him, or actually Big Boss tells you at the end of MGS4... The long and sort of it was, Ocelot went under hypnotism so he would act out the whole thing, in order to throw the Patriots. I can't exactly tell you WHY they went with that plan, probably to sell the whole Liquid coming back and trying to take over idea, hiding Ocelot as a BB fanboy who's there to release him in the first place... I see a lot of people seem to ignore or forget this part of the lore.
I think people ignore it because it's absurd. Like the Patriots can read his thoughts so he needs to be hypnotized? Wouldn't they notice him seeing a hypnotist for several weeks at a time?
I never get tired of MGS videos. I became a fan as a little kid watching my dad play the first one on PS1, then when I got a little older, he bought me a PS2 along with MGS2&3 and I’ve loved the games for over 20 years. These games are super amazing but partly the reason I love them is because of my dad. Thanks for your video! I love hearing about this facts and conspiracies and what you think of them as well. You did a great job covering so much.
Thanks, I'm glad you liked it! And I think it's great you had that connection and good memories with your dad, that's awesome
This was awesome, I enjoyed watching the whole thing. I am a massive MGS fan and I learned some things I did not know!
Glad you enjoyed!
Yo this was awesomely edited, and researched. You even taught me some things I didn't know! (Seriously the Liquid Ocelot thing seems so freaking obvious now, Especially since I already knew The Sorrow was (probably) his father. why didn't I realize it sooner?)
Your comment made my day!
I’d love to see more metal gear content. I like the long video format too.
There's always a lot to talk about with Metal Gear
This was the best iceberg video I have seen, just when I thought there wasn’t anymore I didn’t know about this franchise, thanks for making this.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Very well put together!! I appreciate all the time & effort you put into this! 👏
Glad you liked it!
29:54
I remember reading this one in a local gaming magazine back in the 90s. Simpler times.
Funner times for sure
Really great video!
The Ocelot quadruple double stuffed Oreo agent made me laugh.
Also I was just gonna point out that we technically first hear of Huey as Granin’s American colleague in mgs3.
But of course that’s not really a major detail to the Huey section
I was always confused if that reference in Granin's office was retconned or not. I vaguely remember it first being Otacon's grandpa, then later changed to Huey.
Ah yes that is a good point
Amazing video with a lot of care ! And yes we want more videos with quality like this
The best is yet to come!
This was highly informative and entertaining! Thank you 😊
Glad you enjoyed
in the 2015 game awards Mark Hammil says "Metal Gear Solids" because the paper said Metal Gear Solid5 and he thought it was an s at the end
Or hinting at a sequel...! (AlienS, PredatorS, Silent HillS, etc)
😂
Re: the two MGS endings, I will always stand by Meryl's death being the canonical [for the time] ending, which makes her inclusion in MGS4 a regrettable retcon (but it's par for the course with that fan-service extravaganza of a game). Hear me out:
A recurring theme throughout MGS1 is how legend and reality seldom align. The player can't stop hearing about how much of a living legend Solid Snake is, whilst 10 year old me blundered my way through Shadow Moses in 1998. Solid even says to Otacon outright in the elevator stairwell that it's not like the movies; the hero doesn't always save the girl. The narrative seems like it was crafted with a sense of "unreliable narrator," in that what we're told *about* Snake isn't quite what we're feeling or experiencing in the moment. Sure, we're blowing up Hind-D's and fighting Cyborg Ninjas, but it's a harrowing experience to be the one doing it, surviving by the skin of our teeth. It's one layer of the theme Meryl's character explores, being that her glamorous expectations of war are quickly refuted by the harsh reality of killing (and ultimately, being killed). The veneer of the game as a pulpy Hollywood action film, or even a run-of-the-mill Playstation shooter, are both contradicted by the thematic depth, twists on gaming conventions, and the contemplative self-awareness that we end up getting. Realities sink in: this is NOT your average shooter. Avoiding combat is smarter and often more exciting to achieve, the ease of killing feels like a guilty indulgence akin to a cheat code, and there's more character development than many films and books. I don't think I've met anyone who's completed Metal Gear Solid (without skipping cutscenes) who wasn't taken aback by its uniquity. It seems like the sad ending was entwined in its DNA from its thematic inception.
1. It's thematically consistent, as expressed above. The "happy" ending pulls the punch at the last minute and becomes an indulgence that betrays its own credibility. "Just kidding, the hero *does* always save the girl. Now they ride into the sunset, the end."
2. As you mention, we are treated to two important moments with the "sad" ending. For one, Solid Snake breaking down and Otacon being the one to pick him back up embues Snake with magnitudes of depth and authenticity as a character, sends the point home that he's a PERSON and not just a legend, and beautifully fulfills Otacon's arc. This is also a pivotal part in their continued partnership with Philanthropy, as much like Mantis says about Snake and himself, they share the same trauma. Yes, love can bloom on a battlefield -- just as easily as it can die. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
3. The second moment the "happy" ending deprives us of is the revelation that Campbell is Meryl's father. While this may seem like a twist out of left field in the final minutes of the story, it's one final gut-punch that builds on the tragedy of the survivors' shared loss and further chips away at the glamorous veneer of these legendary figures. Campbell began the story as a trusted Trautman-esque Colonel, only to be put through the wringer by the end of the game. It adds a lot of depth to his character and begs the player to reflect on every conversation with him. Was he always telling the truth? What else did he lie about? What else did he know? So *that's* why he was so emotionally compromised with Meryl, beyond simply being her uncle. The lightbulbs begin to go off.
4. Philanthropy and the Stealth Gear. The "sad" ending sets us up beautifully for MGS2, with Snake and Otacon commencing the tanker mission. Not only does Snake still have the stealth gear Otacon gives him in the "sad" ending, but it's a diegetic artifact directly from the previous story, whereas an infinite ammo bandanna always seemed more the tuxedo: a fun game perk with no logical explanation. I know, I know, Solid quips (or admits) to having an infinite ammo bandanna in MGS2, but that's Kojima for you....
5. No Meryl in MGS2. Outside the alternate universes in Snake Tales, Meryl doesn't crop up anywhere. While this doesn't prove she's dead, it's entirely compatible with the "sad" ending. And I do think, had she lived, Snake would not be off with Otacon and Philanthropy. That seems incongruous to where we last saw the three at the end of MGS1's "happy" ending.
6. MGS4 was full of shameless fan service, and I firmly believe Kojima intended to keep both MGS1 endings legitimate until his indulgence got the better of him. He even brought Big Boss back for f*ck sake, and while it's one of the best moments of the whole game, it kind of shits on Solid's tragic story at the same time. No more is he guilty of patricide, in one fell swoop... and oh boy, did Venom Snake really draw the short straw. This entire game was an overindulgent mess with everything thrown into the pot. Talk about having your cake and eating it. Kojima said, "Watch me!"
7. The "sad" ending is just f*cking better.
Interesting read and some Solid points there ;)
Am a fan of all the MGS games, but MGS4 deffo ret-conned a truck load of stuff "just cause" imo
And MGSV didn't really have the soul of the other games imo, and I wasn't a fan of jack Bauer being Snake. Seems to me Kojma hated Hayters popularity with the fans, he was trying to find an identical sound-alike to replace David Hayter from MGS2 onwards.
So obviously happy with the performance, but just didn't like him for some reason, even though AFAIK they've never actually worked together ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@Sean-sn9ld Thanks! I have unpopular opinions about the voice actor thing. While I'm a huge fan of Hayter's work [as Solid] and as a screenwriter (even have his signature on a Shinkawa print above me as I type), I maintain he should have never voiced Big Boss to begin with. In the Japanese versions, they all have the same voice actor as far as I'm aware -- but in the English versions, Solid, Liquid, and Solidus all have different VO's to reflect their upbringings and effective ages. Not to mention, reflect each's individual character. So why then would Big Boss have the same voice as Solid? Shouldn't he and Solidus share the same voice if anything? It always irked me, and I think had Kojima begun Snake Eater with a different English VO entirely, MGSV's casting decision would've never been an issue for fans.
But on the note of MGSV, I think it was artistically wise. Not only was he correcting an old misstep IMO, but Venom Snake literally isn't the same person as Big Boss, let alone Solid. So in that sense, Venom should have his own voice no matter what (and for what it's worth, I think Sutherland did a great job playing a rather muted, brooding, and seething Venom). Now, I've seen plenty of fans pose the idea to have Hayter play Ishmael / Real Big Boss and let Sutherland own Venom. While this makes the most sense, creatively it's a big giveaway right off the bat; the twist would've never worked.
I suppose I'm not in the camp that say "Hayter *is* Metal Gear" because Metal Gear existed a decade before his involvement and has now existed a decade after it. To me, he'll always be Solid Snake, but Big Boss not so much.
I agree completely and will be paraphrasing this in my next retrospective. You really articulated all that well
enjoyed the content a lot. thanks for the effort and keep it up
Thanks, will do!
Awesomely done! Thank you for this.
Glad you enjoyed it!
The retrospectives would actually go crazy im subbing :)
Also snake is in fortnite :0
What a year to be an MGS fan! And a Peter Griffin fan too apparently
I think the Miller working for Cypher is the ground zero stuff. His voice being in the interrogation part with paz and chico. Plus the way he inaccurately states the night of meeting paz in ground zeros and how he fell for her student gag. He knew all along that she was with Cypher at the end of pw. Downes liked a tweet about it or something. Love mgs lore!
Hey Wes, stoked to watch your Retrospective. I live for the lore
Thanks for the support friend
This was a great video, you've earned a subscriber! Keep up the good work
Welcome aboard!
I remember the rumors about Chico being Quiet. A good piece of evidence that supported it that you didn't mention is how soldiers who felt guilt resorted to self mutilation, like the Eye and the Finger from Ground Zeroes. Fans at the time thought Chico could have resorted to that because of the guilt of him being forced to... do things to Paz.
I think that makes a lot of sense
@@WesDoesGames It really does! But from what I remember Kojima just giggled at it and denied it lol
That was the most logical fan theory I have ever seen for an MGS game and still honestly find it annoying that it wasn't the official explanation
I just thought it was a meme and found it funny. I don't think it was ever actually onto anything or meant to be taken seriously. Like Miller being the sunglasses
Yall really took something nonexistent and started finding evidence for it. Truly a mgs fan moment
Remember the guy in the tape that said "just give her the shot already? That was most likely Miller. In the very least, voiced by the same actor. Then there's also Codetalker who gave Venom the warning "Eyes on Kazuhira". Which gives the idea that Miller was working with Skull Face up until just hours before the events of Ground Zeroes. Unfortunately I got nothing else on that topic.
I'll have to listen to that!
Great video. I honestly didn't want it to end.
Thank you!
I really enjoyed this video. As a metal gear fan I knew most of them I didn't know about the last one. Great video
Glad you enjoyed!
Where’s the part where Snake drops from the battlebus and gets a victory Royale
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I'm a complete noob to this series so this will be kinda fun.
Beware the spoilers
Thank you for making this I'm a newer mgs fan getting into this confusing series but loving it I'm happy the community is nice
Thanks for watching!
The amount of detail and thought and explanation in this video is outstandingly impressive. Your pretty good...
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Submitting the torture and finishing the game gave a unique item I think it was the stealth mode to equip, amd resisting the torture gave you inf bullets as long as you have it equipped but both cannot be equipped at the same time.
Yep that's right ^,^
It could be the opposite way around but yeah you do get either Steath Camo or Infinite Bandana for NG+ depending on how you react to the torture.
It was all about the Dog Tags in MGS2 and shooting those little Waka-Waka frog fellas in Snake Eater.
Then the Statues you'd find after beating bosses including the frogs,with non leathal weapons iirc.
That's correct
There's actually a small cutscene after the Vulcan raven fight present in both MGS1 and the twin snakes that displays decoy octopus's face
Where?
it's the second iceberg I've tried to follow in my life and this time I haven't dropped out on like 5th minute, so I guess it's great))
also I've knew most of the facts but it was still an interesting ride, so thanks for the video!^^
I'm glad I kept your attention for not necessarily more but at least five minutes 😊
@@WesDoesGames actually, I've watched your MGS iceberg right till the end so you can be proud of yourself, I guess^^))
Also, I've followed your channel after this one video so it was indeed not so bad, i.e. it was good enough))
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Very good and thorough video, I couldn’t pull myself away from it even if I tried! I’ve only played up thru MGS4 but watching the connections the later games have which ties them all together makes me want to get into them. Thank you for this😊
Thanks for the kind words!
I can never relate to the people who were upset about the twist in MGSV. I feel like these are the same people were upset that Raiden was the protagonist in MGS2. You can just never do anything fun in this series without stepping on these people's toes. I think the way MGSV loops back to the original Metal Gear is great, and I had a fun time in the Raiden arc too.
I enjoyed the twist and the connection back to the beginning. A full fox engine remake of Metal Gear with more fleshed out dialogue would be amazing
1:30 “… WHAT?!”
I remember seeing a lot of these scenes, accidentaly, and having no idea why. Thanks for the info
Good job buddy. I’ve never heard those fan theories. I’m hoping to get back into the series. I like videos like this to get the juices flowing again
Glad I was able to stimulate those juices for you 👁️👄👁️
Also on the topic of Portable Ops: that game needs more love. Yes the controls are shitty, yes recruitment is tedious, but otherwise I love the story. I think it needs a remake too, with an expanded story that accommodates the new lore introduced in Peace Walker, 4, and V.
Portable Ops but with Peace Walker HD controls and graphics would be hella fun. Wish Sony never gave up on the handheld, but I guess they just weren't selling enough units.
@@Sean-sn9ld The PSP actually did well enough, it was the Vita that PlayStation abandoned before it had a chance to really prove itself. That console didn’t even get its own title, just a port of the HD Collection
@@morsecode980 Oh yeah you're spot on there, I meant to say "handheld market" lol 😆
But yeah around the time the vita came out I had a lot going on IRL so wasn't really paying much attention to the video game world and by the time I was again the Vita was already basically dedz :(
I was thinking of picking one up like last year or something but I think I read somewhere that they stopped all the online services so couldn't even play with my friends back home ( I moved overseas as a teen)
Have you got one/had one in the past? If so do you think it's worth getting one just for the games? I like to play my psp and DS Lite when I'm on long train trips or taking the ferry back home or something like that.
Vita deffo LOOKS cool. But not sure if it's worth the investment or if I'd be better off just saving a bit extra and get a switch. Breath of the Wild looks amazing
@@Sean-sn9ld Yeah I have a 1000 (the fat one with the OLED screen.) It’s not completely dead, you can still access the PS Store to purchase games and whatnot but you can only add money to your account via the PS website or a PS4/5 now.
Most people get them to hack/home brew, except for me 😂 I’m easy to please because the Vita has a Call of Duty that surprisingly still has active servers. It’s kinda nostalgic because it’s basically Black Ops 1 multiplayer shrunk down. Besides that, most people play the Vita for its Japanese indie games. If you want AAA experiences it’s pretty limited unfortunately. There’s CoD, Uncharted, Killzone, Assassin’s Creed, MGS HD Collection, and Minecraft (also with still somewhat active online,) but that’s kinda it.
One PSP game I highly recommend playing on Vita though is the port of Battlefront 2. Natively, the framerate’s pretty choppy, but on Vita it’s buttery smooth as if you were playing on PS2. That and MGS Portable Ops because the second stick makes a world of difference.
So is it not also sexism that allmost all the guys in mgs are freaking gigachads with less bodyfat than a cucumber?
I've heard that point from a few different commenter's and I gotta say I hadn't considered that 😂
Great video. Metal gear has been my favorite series ever due to its wild story and insane concepts. After all these years we are still trying to decode it all !!! 😂
Couldn't agree more!
loved the video! I love everything related to Metal gear and this was great!!! Greetings from Mexico!
Gracias amigo
Solids real name being David is actually a 2001 Space Odyssey reference. HAL.(Otacon) and David
I was so grateful for that skateboarding bonus game. Healed my depression, especially when I learned the Christ Air trick! I always found it stunning. I also loved Pro Skater 3 but never owned it
It's a surprisingly good mini game
Great editing, that was very entertaining.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Love these types of video thank you. Keep up the good work
Would love to see one of kingdom hearts, Final fantasy series, god of war and castlevania if you haven't done them yet. If you did please let me know so I could check them later. Thanks again
This is my first iceberg but I do have plans for a Kingdom Hearts iceberg in the future
Fun fact about the guy savage minigame, in your memory card, MGS3 saves are a bouquet of white flowers, if you check your memory card right before going into your save to the minigame the flowers are red, so if you want a guy savage save to load at anytime you can always tell
That's a cool detail, I didn't know that!
The Metal Gear Ac!d games are really good and set in an alternate universe, worth a try. I still play on Android and had the cardboard thing, worked greatly
I got a psp recently and I think I may hunt those games down
dude, use your phone instead, PPSSPP. The PSP is too flawed and old@@WesDoesGames
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Regarding the Meryl codec frequency, I used to rent Metal Gear Solid from Hollywood Video, and the rental boxes they provided for their games had an insert with that game's basic controls and occasionally they would have hints. The hint they included was Meryl's codec frequency.
Great job with this video, love the mgs series
Thanks I appreciate it
In regards to Miller working for Cypher the whole time, I think this is a sound theory. I think one doesn’t choose not to work for Cypher anymore, so like it or not, Miller was a Patriots pawn. Also, he spent a considerable amount of time in FOXHOUND, an American (cypher) special forces group, training their agents. When Big Boss defects in the 90’s, Miller stays with FOXHOUND and helps Campbell train and support field agents. Miller is a lifelong company man.
Miller willingly worked with Cypher in secret until the end of Peace Walker. From then until the end of The Phantom Pain he was out for revenge against Cypher, but when he finds out the true plans of what the real Big Boss was up to, he felt he was betrayed because of all the hell he went through just to find out it was all for nothing. The post credit scene at the end of Phantom Pain explains it all. Miller was so pissed off at Big Boss that he decided to work with Cypher again to train his clones and Venom to get back at them. Sure, he’s killed by Liquid, but ultimately, he won because the young man he trained (Solid Snake) puts an end to everything.
This is a pretty excellent summary. The theory I've heard pitched originally was that Miller never stopped working for Cypher after Peace Walker. I guess he does end up going back to work for them indirectly later on, but during Phantom Pain at very least he's definitely not on their side.
I thought it was referencing him embesling GMP for his fast-food chain.
48:02 Yuji Horii's "Portopia Renzoku Satsujin Jiken" (The Portopia Serial Murder Case) NEC PC-6001 cassette tape data loader sound found by dataminers included in Metal Gear Solid V The Phantom Pain's Episode 46 Truth The Man Who Sold The World ending cutscene has been removed/changed with the original Hideo Kojima's "Metal Gear" game for the MSX by Konami because it was a clue... not a mistake...
Be aware of this fact.
What
Crazy good!! I hardly watch things all the way through due to SO much crap on youtube, but this was Kool. Good job explaining it to us.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Some of these i actually did not even know existed lol
Thanks for the amazing video :)
Glad you enjoyed!
25:47 I actually would never had known the series if it wasnt for the 3DS demo, then months later my parents bought me the game
12:05 An additional point: all the Beauties try to grab you suggestively, usually hugging and caressing you. If you lay on the floor (or on the beds in the Laughing Beauty arena,) they’ll straddle you, and when you try to wiggle yourself free, they um…make certain noises, especially Laughing Beauty on the bed. It’s really weird, and in my opinion completely takes away from the actual fights, which are already not that great since they just reuse assets from previous bosses.
Yeah I was always terrified of them catching me. Also, I first read your comment as "The Beatles" and that lead me to some weird thoughts
@@WesDoesGames 😂😂
Man, I'm Brazilian and I love Kojima's game franchise and I feel like this iceberg made me understand a lot more about the game! Thank you very much I loved it❤
Glad you enjoy it!
good iceberg video man, i like the intros to each entry too
Thanks friend, glad you enjoyed