THE ULTIMATE STEALTH CHALLENGE: METAL GEAR SOLID'S TOUGHEST GAME
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 20 พ.ค. 2024
- Every METAL GEAR SOLID game includes a max rank players can strive to achieve. Usually these ranks require players to play on the toughest difficulties while also staying within parameters intended to make the already challenging playthrough even harder. METAL GEAR SOLID 2 stands above the rest as THE hardest METAL GEAR SOLID game.
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At this point I just call the Tanker chapter "I've been with the unit since I was born! Conflict and victory were my parents."
"I have no one, nothing except the unit. Nothing else matters to me"
@@solidone4237”Whoever you are, your not stopping us!”
@@Ilickarmpits69 I've beat extreme a few times but EU extreme with it's one shots and bullshit guard vision is too much
@@Ilickarmpits69 "What. Are. You. Doing?! How could you shoot someone who's unconscious! What are you, some kind of a monster?!"
@@SethWulfstoneI've had enough of tomboys
I agree MGS2 is the most difficult. But I will just say The Fury took me the longest out of any one sequence in any of those games on Extreme.
Yeah, The Fury is definitely a rough one for sure!
A few weeks ago I got the Big Boss emblem in MGS2 in both Extreme and European Extreme/No game over when spotted difficulties. Of the most rewarding feelings, but never again because Fatman and the first fight against the Tengus made me go insane.
That's amazing! It's definitely a challenge but you feel like a pro once you get it done! Congrats on Big Boss rank!
Fatman for me was the worst one. I spend hours to figure how to beat him.
The easiest one is vamp
@@danilopires1402 My third save was before Fortune and my fourth after defeating Fatman. Fifth after defeating the Harrier and then all in one go until arriving to Arsenal Gear for the 6th save. Seriously, I prefer to protect Emma all day than ever fighting Fatman again.
@@PerfectStealth Thanks a lot!
That’s crazy! Fatman’s battle went kinda smooth for me but the damn tengu’s were a major problem for me & I stopped at the ray battle due to low health no ration. I may have to re-do the second wave of tengu to at least keep the 2 rations I have from my save. Extreme mode for MGS2 had me stressing & probably still will when I come back to it 😅
It's also worth noting in MGS4, you get unlimited saves for Big Boss rank. By no means is it easy to get Big Boss rank, but it's definitely a huge bone the game throws at you.
True! MGS4 allowing you to save as much as you want makes things easier. Still some tough sections in that game though for sure!
Without the save it's almost impossible
Could've sworn it was 1 save file per act as a requirement for Big Boss on MGS4@@PerfectStealth
Yup. Getting the rank is still insanely hard but damn I’m glad I didn’t have to worry about those dumb saves. Why tf do these people care so much about saving?
Probably so you're forced to do longer, perfect stretches of the game without any sort of checkpoint@@DeezNuts-gl6nx
Getting this game platinum was the biggest challenge I have ever faced in gaming. Your guide was a life saver. I must have fought olga about 30 times before beating her. Super excited for volume 2 of the master collection.
I'm glad you found my guide useful! Congrats on getting Olga down and on achieving Big Boss rank!
Congrats on big boss rank man! And speaking from experience it was hard as hell and no joke the most challenging thing i ever did😭
I just realized that the conditions for achieving Big Boss rank on MGS1, literally turn the game into a movie. The 2 hour time limit, the minimum alerts, no continues, extreme stealth, etc. all crafted to create a non-stop cinematic experience, as if you were actually the hero of an action movie. Fucking genius
It's a three hour limit - not two. And how does it translate to "cinematic genius" while forced to skip all cutscenes and codecs? The comments people make blow my mind.
Lol
@@subtegralLol, you don’t even need to skip cutscenes, and the gameplay of the entire franchise is focused around immersing you in the role of an action movie hero from the beginning.
So even if you did have to skip cutscenes, you’d still get that feeling of being in an action movie by virtue of extreme mode’s criteria. Way to miss the entire point just so you can talk out of your ass and say nothing of value or relevance to the game.
@@SilentSnake1998 nice comeback attempt 👍
@@subtegral Ay, I done said nothin but the truth my guy: th-cam.com/video/eBXHCkJQbjw/w-d-xo.htmlsi=mC3RXGkxKEmPOrBG
Well, Didn't knew that MGS1 allowed the usage of Special Items to get Big Boss/FOX rank. (That makes me want to get the game even more)
Pretty much the only game in the series that allows it!
@@PerfectStealth Yeah, It's weird, but good at the same time.
When playing on PS2, I used to flatten Snake to the floor and shoot Olga through the gap between the crates. She behaves quite predictably under those circumstances, at least for the time it took me to line up the four headshots required to knock her out. The tricky part was lining up those headshots quickly enough, especially since you often had to depress the pressure-sensitive L2 or R2 buttons with just the right amount of force in order to shift your POV far enough to the left or right (but not too far) to get a clear shot at her.
Unfortunately, I can only pull this off on original hardware. When playing the game with an Xbox controller on an emulator, the left and right triggers are too sensitive for me to be able to line up the shots they way I could on PS2. I end up shifting Snake's POV too far to the left or right and having my vision blocked by the crates on either side of the small gap you need to aim through. It's annoying because, while I still have the original hardware and a physical copy of the game, I'd rather play it on PC these days.
That's the third Olga method, Olga left and right were mentioned but the narrator never mentioned this, it's called Olga safe, and although it racks up a bit of a time penalty it's definitely the most consistent method.
got my big boss rank in mgs2 thanks to your guide as a first time player of the franchise it helped tremendously! it actually made me like the game a lot more than just doing a standard. good luck to the big boss runners here o7
Wow first time player and you were able to achieve Big Boss rank?! That's amazing! I'm glad my guide was able to help!
I 100%ed the game on my PS3, 10 years ago... easily the hardest platinum trophy ever I did.
It's worth noting that the torture sequence is SIGNIFICANTLY harder on the PS2 Substance release of MGS2 and was toned down a lot for the HD Collection and all future re-releases.
That damn challenge was the reason teenage me never beat this game on Extreme.
I've read on forums how people would literally get blisters, tear the skin on their fingers, or even bleed because of how fast they had to press the button to keep breathing. Someone even said they used a spoon to press the button and they bent the spoon in the process.
I remember needing a spoon for that. There was just no way I could do it otherwise... and this was on Normal 🤷♀
I managed without it in the HD, so good riddance! I seriously hate things like this.
If I’ve seen this video before the guide for the BB title I probably wouldn’t even tried it. Lucky me it was the other way around, that fight with the 20 mg rays was epic!!! It made me feel worthy of the title after passing the tangus part with that glitch 😬 once again thanks for that amazing guide ❤
The struggle is real. I spent 2-3 days getting this one rank for my platinum run. The feeling of relief after each save, the whole game is nothing but trial and error. And each error takes up 20-30 minutes of your time.
still stuck at fatman... need a long break and I'll retry it. Thank you for all the support
I rarely take my time to comment, however i need you to know that you need to do more of these „documetary“ type of videos. You have a great voice, sence for humor and you could do much more than guides. I bet this will make your channel grow like crazy
The main problem with the tanker is that once you do it you fall into that gambling like mindset where you have invested too much to back out so you just have to suck it up and die to fatman 100x too
Bravo, superb overview for people wanting to attempt BB rank, and then the detailed video. During this overview video, it reminded me why MGS1 was universally acclaimed in 98 and why MGS2 was polarizing on 2002 (Raiden-Anakin character, Emma mission, annoying bombs, weird bosses...). GG champ and thanks
Enjoyed the watch, thank you!
I've beaten MGS2 dozens of times over the past twenty years and I only just completed it on Extreme for the first time a couple years ago. It was so unbelievably difficult and every single time I thought I had gotten through the hardest part it kept getting exponentially harder. Even after doing it myself I can barely believe that 20 Metal Gear fight is humanly possible. The fact that people can achieve a Big Boss rank with such absurd additions on top of that brutal difficulty will never cease to amaze me. Anyone who has done so is truly above even the Boss
Yea, getting through the Extreme difficulty alone is a nightmare, let alone those saves and shots restrictions. The best I could do is beating the Hard difficulty and the furthest on the Extreme that I got to were the RAYs (for clarity, I fell at that point). It's not just the RAYs that I am frustrated about, but also the fact that I had a hard time doing the first torture, so it makes me wonder if I would even got through the second one after the RAYs should I made it through. Overall speaking, I have never ever made it through any MGS game on Extreme (but am tempted to do that on MGS1, now that it is clear that it allows special items), but boy, the target for MGS1 is of course the platinum trophy which requires you to finish the VR missions. Ah speaking of VR missions, I have finished it once before (except for the ninja missions which I did not have access to over a decade ago), but having watched how others played the MGS2 VR missions, I know I have better ways to spend my time than getting the MGS2 platinum......
I can't believe I beat this game, thanks to your guide of course! I almost quit so many times too. I took a break before trying to platinum Snake Eater cause MGS2 was INTENSE. Glad to know the hardest game is done for me haha.
I've beaten these games countless times but i never attempted to go for the Big Boss rank until i became a completionist. Now i really want to, but the thought of time restraint alone is enough to hold me back from starting. Overall, i love a challenge but when a time limit is part of it, it stops being exciting for me almost entirely. I remember how tough the Rays boss fight within arsenal gear was on the extreme difficulty when i did it for the platinum on PS3 back in the day. Pretty sure that part took me 30 retries or something. Imagine the stress of me rushing to get there in the first place lol.
There are even fewer players who got the best rank in every game with 0 saves. I managed that back in the day, but I doubt I would have that much patience nowadays.
MGS2 was my life for several years. Big Boss on European Extreme countless times, around 2h15m. Top scores on all VR levels, speed runs on the Boss Battles. Unfortunately I was playing it after they had closed the website to enter online scores. Big Boss on MGS3 as well but I never loved it like I loved MGS2.
Why did you like MGS2 so much may i ask?
@@hogan4670 The gameplay, the graphics, the aesthetics, the VR, boss battles, alternative missions. The only thing I didn't like was the constant interruptions for endless cut scenes and codec calls.
I'll never play this game on this kind of difficulty but nice commentary. Hope to see a video like this on MGS3.
Great breakdown! MGS2 is easily the most challenging Big Boss rank, mostly because of that insane save limit.
Thanks for watching! Yeah, the saves are brutal!
I came up just short in mgs2, and couldn't get through the gauntlet, and then save file corrupted
I was proud to get the platinum on all the MGS games.
13:50 You can pick up the claymores around the strut F-E connecting bridge or whatever it was called and use them against Fatman, one of them is enough to knock him for some easy damage
"if you go right you are fucked" i felt that
Today I just finished extreme mode for the first time since mgs2 was a new PS2 game, and honestly I know the game so well that there's only a handful of bits (tanker guard rush, harrier, and Vamp sniping are the worst for me) where I'm struggling. I've had to take a break for a while, but when I turn it on next I'm going for the big boss rank practice runs.
I never could get past the mash button section at the end on euro extreme hopefully I'll try again some other day
Was your MGS1 footage from the Master Collection? It looks much better than mine. I've played it on Xbox and PC. - mods are the answer maybe?
Mgs2 best tip for plant chapters beginning. Drag all 3 guards to the lockers in the first area. And for fatman just run after him and dont let him do a thing(if u chase him all the time, he barely has time to place one bomb or even activate it). U can also just bully fatman for free after defusing the first bomb, second one does not need to be defused immediately(u have time).
I was stuck on fatman for days until I found out about the auto aim mechanic by holding L1. Not many people seem to mention that. Helped me immensely chasing him around
@@aleksi1537 Did u try to do fatman without that xd. Good thing u found out about L1. Its quite impossible without L1 auto aim.
@@max-power1023 yes xd. Found that out the hard way. Had totally forgotten about it as I always used first person view while shooting
I must say that I have the platinums of the entire saga, I have the platinums of the PS3 versions of MGS2 and MGS3 and in those versions MSG2 was the most difficult since you had to complete the game 100%, that meant completing all the Snake Tales, getting all the Dog Tags, which already forced you to play on all the available difficulties except for the European Extreme, which although it was not necessary to get the Big Boss rank, I still remember that it was too complicated a challenge, but I did it. What was most frustrating was completing the 500 VR missions, of which some were too shitty, like the first-person missions that didn't fit very well in a game that was designed to be played in third person or the sniper missions protecting a target , I did all that and it was the hardest thing for me in the game. With the new Master Collection I must say that for the Big Boss rank it was indeed a difficult challenge but I already had the experience of having played before on Extreme difficulty to get all the Dog Tags, and I also had already mastered all the mechanics of the game due to having completed all 500 VR missions previously. I feel satisfied that I achieved the Big Boss ranks in Metal Gear Solid and MGS2, as I had never tried before, as well as the Foxhound rank in MGS3, which I had also never tried. The only game where I had to get the Big Boss rank mandatory to get platinum was MGS4: Guns Of The Patriots, which although it was also a great challenge, I still considered the platinum of MGS2 (PS3 Version) much more difficult than that of MGS4. Now with this new version in the Master Collection I think MGS2 it is still the most difficult in the saga so far, of course, if we do not take into account the platinum of the spinoff Metal Gear Rising which would be the most difficult in general.
Yup MGS2 plat was by far the hardest one
8 saves is fucking crazy holy shit cannot wait to see how you do it.
He’s already done it.
I’ve managed to get Big Boss once on Extreme, but screw that Ray fight
I honestly am glad i went through hell doing big boss run on mgs 2. Biggest pain in the ass most definitely but actually completing it and finally achieving something after so many years is the best feeling ever
At 8:45. There is an very easy way. Before you go to the terminal you can take the into the cupboards in the first room. 😁
I have the big boss ranks in Metal Gear Solid 2 & 3.
the fury was pretty hard on ee but those rays are frickin insane. no wonder raiden became a monster in mgs4
As a kid who only beat this game on USA extreme when it came out, this gives me PTSD
One of the hardest bosses in a game for me was the harrier on v.hard, couldn't imagine doing it with limited saves, no deaths and a harder difficulty, I forgot the rays! The time between their shots for you to get one off is near impossible
Not being able to shoot down the light or the tarp before Olga kicks your teeth in with them is why I never beat extreme
I spent 9 hours straight on Extreme Olga as a child when this game came out, I developed a muscle memory that hasn't left me to this day, I can still confidently kick her ass on Extreme after all these years.
I only managed to beat E.E in MGS3 and receiving the title of 'cow'
For Fatman, just place claymore mines to knock him down, or use CQC when he stops to place a bomb. That saves a ton of shots fired.
Started this run over the weekend. Still to hit the first save point :)
Good luck with your run! You've got this! 💪🏼
@@PerfectStealth Update: Im now part of the Big Boss club. Cheers for the fantastic guide!
I knew I didn’t make up that Snake had blue glasses in Plant
Ultimate challanege: Do it all without a single save without alerting the enemy or doing hold ups unless it's 100% unavoidable. No glitches/exploits.
I've gotten big boss rank 3 times now on 3 separate accounts, i might sound insane but the more i re did it the more it was fun and fair making me test my limits with making saves very long to the next and so on. except tengu 1 and tengu 2 they suck even with my multiple play throughs of this game snake either dies too fast or i die too fast.
That liquid beat down was satisfying
Kicking him off Rex as a finisher just adds to the disrespect.
Funny enough, the original reason why i wanted to quit big boss rank was because of the torture section and me not clicking fast enough. It probably took me longer then the ray fight because my last save on my first BB playthrough was the ray fight. As for solidus he was a joke and is nothing compared to tengu 1, ray fight and the torture sequence
Tengus can be cheesed, but FUCK that fight in Tanker before the holds
If you can use stealth in msg1 that makes the part going up the endless steps of stairs , more easier cuz man you’ll definitely need that one ration there and then . Or when you fist fighting liquid
Save your stuns and time when to throw them. I got the elite trophy few months back on xbox and that took me several attempts on them stairs. That and the Hind fight
As a kid I gave up beating the MG Rays after tens of tries
Go and play the torture part on european extreme on the original ps2 version of the game then come back and tell me it was "not a big deal".
Tried the Big Boss around 2008, I gave up at the Rays. I've not played the game since.
I finished all MGS in a big boss/fox hound rank. The most difficult is MGS 2 without a doubt.
Bonus: MGS V S rank all missions is very doable. The most difficult would be Extreme Back-up Back down probably.
4) MGS 3 - Easiest to do a fox hound run. 5 Hrs is very doable and the motor bike chase is much more doable than MGS 4. The bosses also have an easy way to deal with save for the pain and/or fury.
3) MGS 1 - Easiest in terms of stealth even with Radar off. However, Boss fights can be challenging along with the forced encounters with kill limit being low and no actual non-lethal option. Twin Snakes is way easier for big boss run though.
2) MGS 4 - Unlimited saves makes things easier along with 4/5 hrs gameplay. But the motor cycle section is just frustrating. and Ch 2 accidental kill can be tricky.
1) MGS 2 - This is just another realm of difficulty. I finished my big boss run with the option "gameover when spotted" which apparently is a mistake. The Alert won't happen until the call was made but with "gameover when spotted" prevents any reaction. The boss fights are just too tricky and the MD/Bullet limit makes things even more difficult. My big boss run is 4 Saves, and 2:55 hours. Almost failed to do so. And I nevwr attempted to the same thing again.
It may not be the hardest big boss rank but mgs4 might have the single most annoying segment. The bike chase without solar gun and metal camo to cut damage in 1/2 is a nightmare.
I did MGS2 Boss rank twice, once for PS5 and a second time for PS4. Second time I got it with 699 shots 😅.
MGS2 Vamp was the hardest boss for me in the series. To make matters worse with him, my ps3 got ylod when I was at the Vamp boss fight in mgs4. Such a dick
Big Boss rank honestly scares me, I am NOWHERE near skilled enough to even think about attempting it. Still cool to see people get it though, Also wouldn't it better better to get the M9 before pliskin and stilman?
Haha, you can definitely pull it off if you tried! It's hard for sure but not impossible! And it depends really. It's definitely a bit of wasted time to pick up the M9 early but if players feel more comfortable doing it that way it can make things a little easier!
Maybe as a younger man inwould have given it a go. I just don't have it in me anymore to want this BB rank anymore. Well done to those who have. You're more man than I'll ever be
...but what is the "10.5 life bars" in MGS3? Are those based on the starting length?
14:35 no, you can instead hang from the remainders of the railing on the right, to fall from it on the pipe below.
Of course, the jump is much quicker (and leads to some items)
The best hint I can give is respect the game difficult playing in normal / normal hard in your first run and then playing in the extreme difficult without getting annoyed with the restrictions, you need to evolve and learn how it looks like.
Only some bosses on extreme mode, big boss runs are hard in this game .
mgs2 EE is probably the only game that ever beat me, I wasn't even going for a rank.. I got to the rays.. I couldn't do it man..
I remember a good 12 years ago I used to watch my brother do this for fun
Wait... No... After the harrier fight you don't have to make that leap of faith. That's only if you want the AK suppressor. You can hang off the railing to the right and drop onto the pipe to continue. And if you die, you don't have to redo the harrier fight. At least not in the hd collection
0:28 he in fact was going to.
I'm personally scarred from when I tried to get the platinum trophy for mgs4....that big mama chase scene is about to drive people nuts when it gets a remaster 😭
Isn't the torture section like significantly worse in the original PS2 version on extreme? I recall you have to mash the button for over a minute and it's quite ridiculous I hear
So foxhound is higher than big boss rank?
I tried playing the plant chapter on European extreme the other day I couldn’t even make it to the eleveator I was like naaaahh this ain’t it. The enemies can see so far. Hard mode is a breeze though
i never even tried
I play games for fun, not for torment.
average MGSV dude playing mission 45 with %0 health, no enchantments, naked, no weapons, no items, only fulton>>>
4 as well
It's not an stealth challenge if been undetected is the easiest part
Mgs 4 is the easiest one to get Big Boss Rank. Took 3 days- between work & play throughs.
I always thought peace walker was the hardest game to play an master
You can lie down adjacent to door against vamp and use nikitas
I will mever go for this mgs 3s foxhoud broke me and thats a lot easier
MGS3’s Foxhound rank is an awesome achievement!
id say that BigBoss run on MGS 2 wouldnt be actually that hard if it wasnt for that ending stretch with the 2 Tengu Fights and then having to kill like 20 MetalGear RAYs nonstop. appart from that whole bullshit section the challenge is pretty doable
8 saves is more than enough, 25 is overkill and 80 is just stupid.
whoever was in charge of the ranking system out did themselves when they made metal gear rising, most of the challenges i think you'd have to be on the autism spectrum to get how unreal some of them get
The torture session isn't a big deal unless you're playing on original hardware haha. Something like 45 seconds of mashing triangle if my memory serves me right, absolutely devilish
toughest metal gear game: skating mgs2. Change my mind
The toughest metal gear game is the twin snakes
Live stream when?
I need it 😢
Hopefully this coming week!
@@PerfectStealth hopefully 🤞🤞
Button mashing is very hard on E.Extreme. And it's after 20xRay battle, which I tried to beat for almost a week.I had to use turbo on my controller to pass it. The most idiotic game mechanic in gaming history. Because of this stupid brain dead button mashing I don't play MGS1/MGS2 on hardest difficulties. TTS is manageable, but still frustrating to go through.
Wdym solidus torture ain't a big deal, I'm freaking dying cuz I'm playing on a ps2 emulator
do it on ps vita
Hardest Big Boss Rank is MGS4.
"For the Big Boss Emblem you will need to achieve each of the following
Complete the game in less than 5 hours (cutscenes, credits, menu time does count)
Use no continues (you can save and reload it, it won't count)
Use no health items e.g. rations, regain, instant noodles, compress and pentazentamin. Healing songs such as Rock Me Baby, Sailor and Snake Eater on the iPod don't count as health items, aswell as the syringe, cigs and muna.
Kill no enemies (Gekkos, Dwarf Gekkos and Sliders do not count as kills. You can kill bosses including Vamp but not the Beauties. Enemies killed by Rat Patrol or the warring factions won't be count, aswell as shooting a barrel and it killing people, FROGS falling to their death when tranqed, people that are under the emotion of laughing and shooting their own squadmates and other means of indirect combat).
No alert phases (cautions are allowed)
No special items (stealth, bandana)
Complete the game on The Boss Extreme"
Nah, 3 harder
It's the hardest... And it's also the best. Or at least, my personal favourite.
The glitches make it so boring.
NERD!!!
only mentioning this because i never see anyone do this in their playthroughs: the chaff grenades stop the rays from locking on. not sure how that would go bc im sure the timing is even more specific on Extreme. great video
I couldn’t agree more, the Big Boss challenge for metal gear solid 2 was the hardest. Yep it’s definitely a play through I practiced for weeks before I completed the game. If you pass Olga, you are just warming up. Once get to the Harrier, or Metal Gear Ray. I wish you all the best luck! 🫡🦾🐍