EARLY MIDDLE JAPANESE LANGUAGE
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The Early Middle Japanese (中古日本語, Chūko-Nihongo) is a stage of the Japanese language between 794 and 1185, which is known as the Heian Period(平安時代). The successor to Old Japanese(上代日本語), it is also known as Late Old Japanese. However, the term "Early Middle Japanese" is preferred, as it is closer to Late Middle Japanese (中世日本語, after A.D. 1185) than to Old Japanese (before A.D. 794).
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Why did u spell amapi with a ひ instead of a ぴ？
You know this is pre-modern Japanese when the speaker say "ti" and "tu" instead of "chi" and "tsu".
What a pleasure to get to hear the Tale of Genji in the original pronunciation!
Yes!
Sorta sounds like it couldn't decide if it wanted to be a pitch-accent or a tonal language, so it was somewhere between those two options in this period...
ものすごく強調された京都弁って感じのアクセント。
I’ve been waiting so long to hear The Tale of Genji in the original pronunciation. It sounds so different from today’s language!
Interesting how consonants which are printed as voiceless and voiced : K pronounced as G, T as D , for example.
There's a million theories about what languages Japanese might be related to, and everyone thinks the first theory they heard is the "right" one.
There are theories of the Japonic languages being related to the Koreanic languages, to the Dravidian languages, to the Austronesian languages, to the Semitic languages, to the Altaic languages, to the Uralic languages, to the Austroasiatic languages, to the Tai languages.
It would have been interesting to hear what a Buddhist sutra being chanted in early middle Japanese would sound like.
抑揚でどうしても笑ってしまう
The difference is like the one between koine greek and modern greek.
Also the sequence "wi" and "we" are still allowed
雅なる大和の言の葉なり。
Why it pronounced like in one breath, almost without pauses?
i dont understand any japanese but when he reads the story, i can really tell it sounds ancient
Ok yes its really cool to look back at an early version of such a well known language, but the internet does not need to know that _owo means big.
It sounds like he is singing.
Thank you so much!
Amazing! I loved it! [Kokoro]
やっとあまいさんが出てきた！
まじ中世日本語助かる
I love the music during the tale of Genji, so relaxing😌
Interesting as always, thank you!
The old Japanese "p" hasn't changed to "h" I see
The full change was *p > /φ/ > /h/. The last step from /φ/ to /h/ was only completed after first contact with the Portuguese in the 16th century as Portuguese transliterations from that time use instead of for the initial of the は kana row. The 16th century also marks the end of Middle Japanese and beginning of Early Modern Japanese.
A question for the Japanese, how many % do you understand by listening without reading? And how much with reading?
as japanese from Tokyo, I understand 5〜10% of this language but maybe 30% 〜50% of it with text.
As Japanese diaspora its like 60%ish its like the scots language to England English speakers
None by listening.
Japanese gf says she hardly understands anything
It sounds a little exaggerated and slow in this, so it's honestly a little hard to even hear what he says. However, I can understand it after listening to a few times. There's a lot of stuff we don't have anymore like ありけり and those grammar forms, but in school, everyone learns those and everyone is capable to read classical JP, so hearing it spoken too is understandable.
It takes a lot of time to get used to H being like F and other changes, but once you realise the changes they put, you can understand
Up until recently (1946), a lot of the same spellings were used for words that were then spelled completely differently. 「今日」pronounced and spelled now like 「きょう」“kyō”, was spelled 「けふ」(kefu), like at 4:02, even when it was pronounced like the former. Personally, I think some of the spelling changes were unnecessary and, particularly with kanji, disconnected the words from their etymologies. Don’t really care about the spelling changes to native Japanese words, though, I think they were for the better.
very cool.
Very interesting! Could you also make a video about old and middle Korean?
They need a volunteer.
there is a middle korean video
You can be a volunteer to record and write.
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I'd imagine for Japanese speakers this sounds like what Middle English does to Modern English speakers.
You can see how the DISCIPLINE evolves in the language over the ages!
沖縄弁と鹿児島弁に似てますね。
関西弁に似てる発音でもあるので京で話されてた言葉なんでしょうか。
LMAO in the Tale of Genji it sounds like he's singing
That's how poetry works.
seems voicing was vague, k->g t->d is common
4:40 owo
When the words were listed out, I thought, oh the words are almost the same as to what they are now just with a different sound of the consonants. But when the sample text was read, I couldn't understand a thing lol.
Is late middle Japanese similar to early middle Japanese? Is there phrases that are different as well?
could you make a video about the breton dialect
Why does it sound like he’s singing on some parts? Like it sounds nice but it seems kinda weird is that tone or something else? The rhythm is very different
Why is it that many of the voiceless sounds in this video (for example ふつか, sounds like ふづが) pronounced like they're voiced?
is it just a form of recitation (like sanskrit's chants or arabic's quran) or is it really meant to represent how they actually talked?
That last part sounds like a song
Was "si" already pronounced "shi" as that point? I heard that "si started to be pronounced as "shi" starting around the Muromachi period. I have heard there are linguist who are saying that "si" was already pronounced as "shi" during the Heian period.
Portugueae missionaries in the 16th century transliterated sounds as si, ti, tu, di/zi, instead of shi, chi, tsu, ji. Also all h sounds were f sounds (and ultimately p sounds in Old Japanese). However, this does not mean that these sounds were pronounced as they were transliterated, rather it may be that the Japanese language did not distinguish phonemic differences of the various mora, and the Portuguese followed suit with how the Japanese thought of those sounds.
@@elimalinsky7069 I remember there was a Portuguese-Japanese dictionary (nippo jisho) published in Japan back in the early 1600s. "shi" was transliterated as "xi" while "Tsu" was "tçu" and “chi” was “chi” and “ji” was “ji”. What exact writings are you referring to where they transliterated those syllables as "si" and "tu" and "ti"? Was it in a dictionary? I'm interested in checking them out. Based on what you're saying, the "shi" pronunciation could have been used during the Heian period? Also, could there be a possibility that "tsu" and "chi" pronunciation was used during the Heian period along with "shi"?
@@elimalinsky7069 ???
Where did you get your information?
The Portuguese wrote it as:
“sa xi su xe so”
“za ji zu je zo”
“ta chi tçu te to”
“da gi dzu de do”
Wokasik'ari ya. 🤭
Old French sounds like this for french native speaker?
ここまで行くと今の日本じゃ通じないのは目に見えてるな....
please could you also make a video about the ripuarian language
do you mean ripuarian frankish?
watch?v=oKkGNhWr0W0&t=28s
I kid you not; the word for “big, many” was “_owo”
In modern it's Ōi
@@amilavxilmen5632 Alright.
@@amilavxilmen5632 God damnit Japanese..
現代の仮名と一緒であればなんとなくは理解できるかも？
学者も認める合成音声だろうか知らないが、賛成できない部分がひとつある。
「見む」の[む]は「見ん」と綴ることもできる音だと思うのでmuというよりはmではないかと思うのだが。
そちらのほうが後に唇の合わさり方が曖昧になり、「ん」「う」等の母音「~」鼻母音等に変化するのも合理的だと思うのだが。
Is the speaker being poetic or thats how they actually sounded back then?
Can you make a video about the Kabyle language, a language spread in North Africa and the language of the majority in the Republic of Kabylia, and it is a branch of the Berber language 💙❤💛
I am Kabyle and there is no republic of kabylia you toxic Moroccan:!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HOW ABOUT THE RIF REPUBLIC???? SOUSS REPUBLIC??? MIDDLE ATLAS REPUBLIC????????????
great idea!
what i wonder is, how they know that the pronouncation of old japanese/middle japanese was like that ?
A LOT of the pronunciation of this era of Japanese is very Koreonic, to me, especially:
•the o’s (which sound like Korean 오[deeper “o”] and not 어 [the “eo/uh” sound] the modern Japanese language voices their o’s today
•the particularly soft voiced k sound that sounds like Korean ㄱ [k/g consonant mix], and not the usual ㅋ[harder k sound]
•the 의/외 [ui, oe or “yae/wi/weh” sound Korean has currently, but Japanese doesn’t really have, but. I think Ainu may still possess vowel wise.)
i agree, but i also see some chinese similarities as well. i definitely think it sounds a lot more tonal rather than the pitch accent in modern japanese but maybe ir’s just me
really interesting because, despite the distance separating the two, it immediately reminded me of something close to me, which is Corsican. T sounding like D, K sounding like G, small changes in pronounciation and/or accents... I'm pretty sure Early Middle Japanese sounds, to current Japanese people, the same as Corsican does to current Italian people.
The Fujiwara Family was very famous for a certain reason...
구개음화가 안 되니까 역시 분위기가 많이 바뀌네
I swear if you said this is an Austronesian language, I would believe you.
Koto is a zither, not a harp.
No one:
The comments:
🤔🤔🤔 Sounds like austronesian... 🤔🤔🤔
its so wierd hearing japanese words that should have a k be pronounced as a g
全部わかった
Early mid late proto northern southeastern proper vulgar enhanced classic colloquial pre-japan Japanese
Do Japanese people understand this?
Japanese is just so beautiful!!!
Did minerva scientia volunteer to voice this
Everybody gangsta until 4:40.
無声破裂音の再構はどうなっているのだろうか。ウ段がɯではなくuなのも気になる。😅
sounds like an Austronesian trying to speak Korean
全く日本語には聞こえない😂
Sounds very austronesian
Gorgeous.
Middle japanese - Tagalog - English
Me-Mata-eye
To-Pinto-door
Asa-Aga(early)-Morning
Certainly there is austronesian influence over japanese
Pinto is Portuguese
@@suliwa670 Door in portuguese is PORTA
door in Tagalog is pinto and pintu in malay so youre wrong
We still use Asa, Me and to(in very formal situations)
There was a Japanese invasion of Philippines i wonder if that has anything to do with it
@@darius684 Nah the japanese invasion in ww2 doesnt have anything to do with it
in fact its the other way around from a thousand years ago
However the influence is not confirmed. You should not make conclusions based on possible coincidences....
Me casually opening a video in English about Japanese language:
suddenly my native Russian language at 0:09 0_0
it just kioto language. now it represent as language of all gapan but it is lie. there wera many languages but they all forbiten now by imperator family. as forbiten to say that ware many kings famies in area. and kioto kings family wera just part of them. not the oldest one not the strongest one just one of many. and it still alive only becose syogunat was having capital near it
すごいですよね。ʕ´•ᴥ•`ʔ❤️
To hear the language Shonagon and Murasaki spoke; to hear the rawest and most intimate core of Genji. What a luxury!
first
This version of Japanese sounds closer to Chinese language's family.
so this is what anime people speak in early
There is more to Japan than anime you know
I wonder why it's romanized with 'k' and 't' when the sounds are much more like 'g' and 'd' i.e. 'kokono-tu' sounds like 'gogono-du' - is it just to show the similarity to the modern words?
It might have had a similar consonant "voicing" rule between vowels - much like modern Korean has nowadays...
English speakers often hear unaspirated consonants as voiced. Maybe that's why?
@@jopeteus No they are voiced my native language has unaspirated [p], [t] and [k] and it didn't even sound slightly similar.
@@jopeteus I came to echo this.
First
beautiful language as an anime fan
Sounds like Chinese to me.
Cause southern Chinese is austrnesian
@@Willxdiana Nope.
Sounds like Japanese gibberish with no pitch accents.
Austronesian connection is undeniable at this point
Medieval Japanese is very similar to Korean.
Huh? How similar?
i don't think so
My ear feel it similar to Hawaii and Maori instead of Korean
Just because something sounds like something, it does not mean it is something...
It's similar to my language
What is your language?
What is your language?
@@alejo7625 umm Korean
@@tigerking3687 아닌 것 같은데..
@@tigerking3687 does not sound like Korean in the slightest
Sounds a lot more like Chinese than Japanese back then, and we all know why
Japanese is definitely an austronesian language
No
@@lakas_tama yes Japanese is related to austronesian through the austric language family
Why do you think so? I am interested to know!
Shut it. I'm Japanese. We are not even related. We belong to a different group, not the Austronesian!
@@Japinoyboi2004 maybe but there is definitely a connection between Japanese and austronesian
Sounds very austronesian