@@sintanan469 its quite sad actually, nightcrawler is a heavy catholic, so heaven is paradise for him. he had to help people so he teleported out, but now he is no longer allowed back
Believe it or not this actually aligns with the real mythological Thor, because Thor albeit being super strong and powerful often spent his time protecting the vulnerable and is known to chill with peasants
@@pemithmithsara7632 I thought I was being funny, but if you want to be a pretentious ass, I would assume the same sagas that depict him as a genocidal brute.
"Act of God" is usually a valid thing in insurance claims haha, although it usually refers to unforeseen weather and natural destruction, not Thor, God of Thunder haha.
@@Evasiv And the Ghost Riders (yes there are more) gets their powers from a Fallen Archangel.. Zadkiel... whom once attacked Heaven wtih the Ghost Riders later attacking Zadkiel...
@@badgamemaster Not quite if I remember correctly. The Ghost Riders are a creation of God, which is why Blaze said only God could destroy one -- all Zadkiel could do was mess around with the power, but he couldn't destroy it.
@@shadowcatcherfox5186what about Zarathos in some lore he was an Angel that became a spirit of vengeance while in others he was a demon, there are many adaptations from God creating riders to angels that went crazy I think each adaptation adds something interesting
Faith is such a curious thing, it can be shaken by the most mundane things but it also has the strength to steel men's lifes. This comic was beautiful.
@@MrCrunchytimeThat’s not how belief works. I believe in giraffes. But only because I have proof (footage, scientific journals, I’ve seen a couple). If someone down the pub just said they existed, but there was no footage , no photos, no zoos, I’d assume it was untrue. By your definition I don’t believe in giraffes because I required proof. Which is an absurd statement, of course I believe, I’ve fed one.
Belief begins and ends with faith. Furthermore, faith is not something you can be given, nor have forced upon you, it is something you must freely choose. I wish more people understood the nature of faith, that you cannot dictate - by mandate or law - that people will be faithful. Maybe, if more people understood that faith is a choice and not a rod to beat people with, fewer people would hate the faithful.
@@dhunter1133 Maybe if "the faithful" weren't being bigots, punishing women for existing, and following men who put themselves on equal standing as God, they wouldn't feel like the world was against them.
One example is the Big Bang Theory were the only example is an ignorant rube, albeit a likeable one. Another example would be the Law and Order series were they are usually portrayed as hypocrites, bigots or worse. @@miguelatkinson
@@miguelatkinson At this point, better question is: how many examples can you point to in modern media where there's a positive example of Christian faith? Not just someone who is a Christian, but someone who actively tries to preach worship of the Christian god? Because you're sure as shit not finding that in Hazbin Hotel.
@@andrewniehoff8612Christians are hypocrites or bigots. By definition. If a Christian follows the bible, they have to be homophobic. Sorry, it’s a 2000 year old book written by homophobes and it references homosexuality, it was going to be homophobic. They’d also have to be sexist, because it covers power dynamics between men and women. Or they can be hypocrites, and believe that there is an all knowing, all powerful god, who they are going to ignore and be good people by treating LGBT people and women equally. Now I like hypocritical Christians, I’m friends with a few, but they are hypocrites.
@PeterDivine You've got millions of tax-exempt buildings dedicated to propagating your beliefs. Just because your beliefs aren't profitable in the media doesn't mean they're being actively discredited. And if they are, so what? Just keep believing them anyway.
@@zomfraggerin very specific situation, when you are dying and you are alone, you *can* baptise yourself with just a formula without water. I don't see how someone who's not priest can't give a dying person last sacrament. PS: I respect how he knows what to say to give last sacrament
@@jakubdedza7512You're half right; according to the Catechism of the Catholic Church, should he truly be alone, the only way to receive baptism at Death's door would be via the simple, burning desire to receive it (“the desire for Baptism… brings about the fruits of Baptism without being a sacrament” (CCC 1258)). If he had someone else with him, even if it's someone of another faith or even no faith, they are allowed to baptize him so long as they have water and know the formula. The third specific way would be by blood, ie. martyrdom, etc. These methods are only for extreme circumstances involving baptism.
I remember a story where Thor pray, is a really old story from him. It strike me as how respectful Thor is towards christian faith, is almost like he want to be part of it.
As a Christian who also fears the unknown of death, this story was very touching. I'm glad Thor showed such respect for the man's faith. His smile as he said the last "ask me again tomorrow" made me kinda choke up.
There is nothing we have to be unsure about death. Christ came into the world so that whoever believes in Him may have forgiveness of their sins and enter into eternal life with God.
@@user-ft1gn6en5jGee wilkers! Someone barking about a SCP FOUNDATION character in the comment section, on a singular content comment simply talking about their beliefs and dealing with mortal, holy fuck shit gimmie a break-
Kinda ahppens in one universe. Basically the Ragnarok starts and finds out the universe restars after it again and again so he goes "Fuck this shit" and goes against the gods above the Asgardians.
I didn't think a story about Thor and a Priest contemplating faith would make me teary eyed, but there it is. Been close to death a few times in my life. I've wondered what happens when I breath my last. What happens when those I love do the same. Faith tells me there's more than just this life or reality, however we want to name it. I will always be afraid though, this took the fear away for a bit. That's damn good writing.
They couldn't be more different: a badass warrior god who battles demons like it's a day job, ... and a weak dying priest. All too easy for one to look at the other in utter disdain, dismissive. Yet they have more in common than we thought: they both ask the same question: "Who am i? Why am I here?" Aren't we all asking that same question?
at the end of the day, we will never know, you can believe a bunch of people who wrote books on the subject thousands of years ago but you will still never know, until it's too late to change what happens to you, at which point you fall and get directed left or right into whatever you new existence will be. You have no control, accept it and you will worry a lot less, after all you have 1/10000 chance of picking the right religion, and a 1/1000 of perfectly adhering to it, so better to plead your case to whichever god you meet on the other side. Be good to the best of your ability, if you do something bad because you believed it was good, that's god's fault for making you with that belief, nothing you can do about it.
Seeing this video makes me wish the MCU would put moments like this into the movies and shows. These small moments are relevant to the heroes and help make them relatable and loved.
Right? Moments like thse could make whole movies it could be just about this one Priest and how he goes on with his life, until he meets thor, how he reacts and how he lives after it, ubtil he meets thor in his last moments, we need movies about the normal prople that had their lives changed by them
Writers have no depth and/or are directed to keep it fluffy. They only writer jokes, quips and snarky remarks every other minute. There is a lack of maturity to write anything of meaning.
This, Superman saving a suicide and an abused child, heck Deadpool saving a suicide, these moments are how they show they are truly heroes. *With* the “mask” not as people, and therefore prove undisputedly that they are in facts heroes, and our validation and faith in them as children is never wrong. I love these stories to help remind me of that.
Saw a video essay on Superman as a character, and something that was brought up I found interesting was that stories where superman is just a bruiser getting in fights with bad guys are always *super* boring. Nigh invincible man punching another nigh invincible man until someone pulls out a green rock and he buckles. Superman, at his core, is a *savior*. The heat vision, the cold breath, the X-ray, the flying and strength everything about him and his powers are all built around creatively using those powers to save people. Car pile up, falling building, collapsing bridge, volcano etc, nothing poses a threat to him but it does to all the squishy people. Narrative stakes in a superman story should never be 'will he beat the bad guy' cause he wasn't written for that, he was written for 'will he save everybody?' Thats something that a lot of movies seem to not really understand.
@@seasnaill2589 I think there's a place and time for an all-out Superman brawl because it's a spectacle especially in a comic book event specifically if it's on a cosmic scale. It's sometimes good to remind everyone no one tug on Superman's cape here and there.
😂 best part of Thor in actual Norse Mythology- he genuinely loves and cares for all Humans. Especially the working class, and their struggles. Regardless of your faith, Thor was known as the Guardian of all Midgarrd(Earth). Thor would never turn a man or woman away because of their faith. I a perfect world, neither would a Christian God.
@@Squidemoticonyes, its the stereotypical "cop out" clause for denying liability. An act of god is basically anything thats so remotely unlikely to happen, and happen where/when it did, that insuring for it is ridiculous (though if its so unlikely, one would be hardpressed to see why they shouldnt cover it then). In reality, its just a legal excuse for anything expensive insurance doesnt want to honor "oh no, the flood didnt destroy your home, the ground under it being swallowed by the river is what destroyed your home!"
@@ObviouslyNotXenreksometimes it is understandable like icy roads in a desert but it should default to them paying at least something to help with the damages
I always wonder about how people in the Marvel Universe would handle their own faiths. I really liked this comic. The art was really solid, too, and matched the tone of the story, I'd say. I bet ancient mythologies would really resurface, considering the likes of Thor or Loki are fairly common sights, or Greek gods such as Hercules, even the mythos of Moon Knight -- While we might know that these gods could just be aliens that comparatively seem like gods, many civilians likely wouldn't. I wouldn't be surprised to see a church erected for worship of any ancient mythology. It's fun to think about.
Monotheistic faiths would tell you they are lessers under God's power(and since there's the One Above All, they'd be correct), but you are right in that normal people would be more religiously shaken by their existence. I too would like to see these stories, but they're too "serious" and "hardcore" for today's comics, and wouldn't be treated with the seriousness they demand(either going "duh, God is right" or "duh, atheism is right")
@@enriquejoseantequerasanche6180 Well the One Above All isn't the Abrahamic biblical God Yahweh. Yahweh is a sky-father similar to Odin, Zeus, Brahma, or the native God Manidoog. While the One Above All is aligned with cosmic Gods, or what Marvel calls cosmic Gods "greater Gods" and mythical Gods "lesser Gods."
@@saafirg9081 the god of the bible is a cosmic god like the one above all he creates everything and is not a "sky father" like Odin or Zeus (ignoring that chaos made the earth in Greek mythology) and brahma is one of 3 gods rather then the trinity. The problem with your point is that no offense the biblical god or the Abrahamic god in general is the epitome of the cosmic god as there is none above him and none beside him to treat him as just one of another is not the belief of the Abrahamic faiths and that this idea is the origin of the one above all. Also don't say Yahweh your referring to god the father which is only apart of the trinity. if referencing Judaism you would be correct but since you say bible I assume you talk about Christianity. In Islam it is Allah or god in English but in Christianity the father comprises apart of gods being in the trinity of father, son and holy spirit so please present the belief accurately I assume your are an atheist or of another religion and are ignorant to the fact but please take this into account in the future thanks
@Idishrkdmd Yahweh is the Abrahamic gods(Islam, Christianity, and Judaism) name. Why wouldn't I use it? Plus, Allah is not a name it literally translates to "The God." And no, the Abrahamic god is not a cosmic entity. There's literally a comic where he meets Howard the Duck.
There is a group called 'Damage Control' that rebuilds the city after fights. Heroes often have to work there for community service. Their budget is obscene
Ngl the comic runs where Asgardians are just super advanced aliens makes the most sense like what they were trying todo in the early stages of mcu before love and thunder chucked it all away
The gods in the mcu have some good moments were the title of God is stripped away, odin talk with loki "we are not God we are born, we live and we die" Zeus say mortals don't worship them or pray to them anymore, how people look up and see another superhero. I like what they are going for, they have been the top dog for so long and now the rest of the world is catching up. They are still more advanced in every way but the gap between them and us is closing as humans advance
@@jamesalexander8193Gap closing? Fact that some humans got power to rival gods (a many of them do so with help of those gods) mean nothing in grand scheme of thing (they not only ones who make such achievements, not most powerful). Gods like Zeus as species way beyond humans.
@@darkly7378 true but they speak like they miss their respect and how humans use to fear them. The survivers of asgard are refugees now, mighty gods now begging for help
Can you imagine if Disney had the talent to actually depict Thor in such a position? Even as a side scene, nothing to do with the major plot but something quiet and reserved to demonstrate his complexity….. At least without turning it into a big joke about screaming goats and Thor being aroused by his Hammer?
I mean its up to the people that make each movie and religion isn't a topic most want to tackle since that is literally some peoples whole lives. Also a side scene is always made fun of in movies as useless scenes unless they do something in the plot like Spider man helping that kid in ASM2. No hero movie focuses on religion that's good. Like DC is always shouting about it but none of the heroes care anyway
@@lightdarksoul2097 Well I hard disagree. This is exactly the kind of stuff I want to see. I don’t make fun of side scenes at all as long as they serve a point, and this one would serve to show that Thor is more than a bumbling man child, and that being a god is more than just throwing hammers around. I never said they need to focus on religion. But scenes like this give us insight into the world, make it more believable, and ground characters with realistic issues that everyone can relate to.
@@lightdarksoul2097 No. Thats what literally any hero of any kind can do if the writers aren’t lazy hacks. -Thor comforting and thanking a dying priest. -Captain Marvel visiting Mrs Marvel as the universe is dying to tell her she’s earned the name. -Superman taking time from saving the world to stop a young woman from ending her own life. -Batman comforting a little girl who could destroy the world because he knows she’s about to die. To me and many other comic book fans these are the things that make these characters interesting.
See things like this are the most important part of hero comics these little interactions that means so much this doesn't save the universe stop a massive villain or save the day it's just a person talking to another person.
I actually like this very much. It was handled in a very mature way, and I could have very easily seen it going the way of dunking on Christianity that is all too sickeningly popular these days. Instead they took it seriously. They admitted they didn't know and didn't have the answers. So they did the next best thing in the story. They accepted it. And did it in a beautiful way that doesn't alienate anyone. It's sad that such masterful writing is as rare as it is.
Makes me think of the episode of the 90s X-Men cartoon when they meet Nightcrawler for the first time. If anyone reads this comment and you have Disney+, look the episode up. I think it's straight up called Nightcrawler. Shame what they've done with Nightcrawler's character in current Marvel comics. When he was created, his character's demonic appearance was an allegory for his being a mutant. His faith gave him the strength to live in a world that feared and hated him. Now he's renounced his Catholic faith to "create a religion for all mutants" and his origin has been retconned again to make his parentage into a trans allegory. No joke, they changed his parentage into South Park's original origin for Cartman, his mother is his father. First his mom was Mystique (hence his blue skin) and his father was a normal human German baron. Then they retconned his father as a mutant with exactly the same powers as his, but red skin. Now, they retconned that Mystique is his "father" because she can shape-shift "fully-equipped" and the mutant Destiny is really his mother. It's interesting to me the juxtaposition between this Thor story, seeking to say something about faith and asking important questions while not disrespecting the belief of the character of the priest or readers who may share his faith while telling a compelling thought-provoking story, versus the disregard for Nightcrawler's Catholicism in current day Marvel, regarding it as outdated and non-inclusive and therefore irrelevant and needing to be replaced. I thought it was funny that when I was trying to google who Nightcrawler's original human father was in the comics, all the top google results were for the Mystique is his father retcon and their titles all said, "Marvel reveals the truth of Nightcrawler's father". It's a retcon, it's not a "revealed truth", they changed it. The only article title I saw that addressed it as such was IGN's, which said, "Marvel dramatically rewrites the history between Nightcrawler and Mystique".
Well, Nightcrawler was always intended to be Mystique and Destiny's child. It's just that the editors at Marvel over at that time didn't approve of it so it had to change. Otherwise, that's what Chris Claremont has wanted to do since 1995.
@abhinav2500 (in Eric Cartman's voice) "My dad was a GINGER?!" 🤣 (Edit: Well, that's frustrating. I'm glad I looked at this comment again, because only the joke part posted and not the rest of it. Good thing the full comment is still in my clipboard.) There's been a lot of times when editorial has mucked up a storyline or character(s), but IMO editorial made the right call on that one. From a storytelling standpoint, it seems needlessly complicating to me. It's right up there with the original plan for the Spider-Man clone saga being that Scarlet Spider was the real Peter Parker and the Peter we've been following up to that point was a clone. The Azazel retcon was frustrating enough.
That was a very kind and beautiful way to answer the only way Thor could - "I don't know, I honestly just got here, we're all figuring this out together."
As a Catholic, this was beautiful. Like the existence with anything beyond us, whether it be aliens or something else we call it, all of it has one Creator and one Savior. God bless!
@randumgaming there's no "ah" to it. You assume monotheism is the default, but yet you can't prove any such claim.Also, no, I'm not an atheist or agnostic either, just so you know
@@Texasmade74 I made a statement based on what I believed to be true in a public non-debate forum, and your best intelligent follow up is "wrong". Good luck with that. If you want to debate, find me somewhere more appropriate. Oh and btw, that is not how Ad Ignorantiam (an argument from ignorance) works lmao
In actual Norse Mythology, Thor loves humans. Has genuine concern for them. And often referred to as "Good Friend, Thor". He cares little of your faith in him. He knows he doesn't exist in faith alone.
It could also have gone like this. Thor: Hail, Strange. A priest has asked me to explain how my existence reconciles with his faith and I didn't know what to tell him. Dr. Strange: There is one above all who can walk in any place and by any face or name. And that one is good and true. Many are the ways to them, and many are the ways they have guided. They are so far beyond us, that even your kin, whom are called gods, are incomparably lower. Tell your priest he lives in piety to a greater being than you. Thor: Thanks, bro.
If Strange knows that, then you can be sure that Thor does too. Considering Odin is counted in the same league as Galactus in the Marvel cosmic hierarchy.
Considering the setting though, his god definitely wouldn't have been the one to create the whole setting. Especially wouldn't be considered "good" either, considering all the rampant destruction they created. It's just more like what Thor said: strange mysterious beings higher up than anyone else, being complete enigmas.
In medieval times,the clash between Norse religion and Christianity was strong. However,Christianity prevailed and the Vikings were converted. As this is a fantasy,I’m relieved to know the writer tries to stay neutral about matters of faith. It was a nice touch when Thor quoted verses from Paul’s epistles after the priest died.
Well Mephisto has that characters soul now. Like most conversions of Christianity, it was done by war. Many Norse believers were killed, just like Native Americans, Aztecs, incase, hindi, etc. Christianity/Islam has always been "accept my God or die". If the Asgardians are aliens, so should bejebas as well.
@@SonoraSlinger Any idea that doesn't fight to exist will be wiped out and forgotten. The Nose wouldn't have let Christianity survive had they won, but it's been allowed to live on through Christianity today.
This was WONDERFUL! One of the things i've always liked about Marvel is that they've made their people have real lives, e.g. Spiderman having to earn money and having relationship problems. So having Thor needing to question his own life fits right in with that, and this was a particularly good way to do that. He not only found an answer for himself, but helped someone else (as Thor does) in answering the question for themselves. I'm not an afterlife believer, but i understand i won't know until "tomorrow". Well, actually, if i'm right, i'll never know, haha!
The Bible, in many places infact affirms there are other "gods" (Elohim=spiritual beings of another nature) In fact mentions God dealing harshly with these "gods" (of Egypt for example) for not dwelling within their proper roles and authorities. Angels freak out and rebuke men for attempting to worship them in The Bible. Some of these numerous beings stay in roles we know nothing about, others leave said roles and receive worship and institute, allow or encourage, Personification. Ancient people had no issue with believing gods who competed for worship by signs and wonders, but The God of the Bible is actually making a very unique claim in that His origin has no grounding in any form of creation, like Thor, Anubis, Zues, etc. All of which depend on something outside themselves to exist and have power. God identifies himself in the Bible as Yahweh, I AM = The one who is existence, severing his ties to dependance on anything else. So, whether it is Aliens, Norse Gods, T-rexes with .50 Cal. Turrets hahah it poses no problems truly
I think there was even a pantheon war in Marvel that happened once because God left Heaven for some reason, and the other patheons ended up in an all-out brawl because they had the idea that whoever sits on God's throne in Heaven will become the "God of gods" and so they tried to invade Heaven, with even Odin getting involved and getting trounced by Archangel Gabriel
You are correct in that the different names serve different purposes. But the Torah is usually interpreted in Jewish faith that both names refer to the same God, simply in different context. YWHA, or "Yahweh" is used in the context of a more tender nature of God. Literally translating as "I Am", or in modern English Bibles, "I am, that I am." where as "Elohim" is used in the context of a strong and sometimes vengeful God. Because God is so vast and pure, that he takes on many forms. And for this reason, was given multiple names. But you are correct that the names mean different things. Such is the message of God, that it requires multiple perspectives. :) And what a beautiful portrayal of that message this comic gives. 😊
The ultimate goal of faith is for all of us to be kind to each other. And in the priest's dying moments, what he really needed was someone kind. And that was Thor.
I absolutely loved this. It was a question on one's faith and finding your own answer to the one question we all have when we doubt. But simply, and beautifully, the answer is simply to accept and HAVE faith. That which is not something you can touch, see, smell or feel, but is there, just the same. It's a beautiful thought and we'll put in this. Even more so because it puts Thor, a literal god, in a humanly light to contemplate his very existence
Thor and Loki are more human that most humans. They ask questions we dare not. They look to each other and after a moment of contemplation, it is decided to carry on because the answer is not yet revealed. They continue to ask ever seeking the same answers we do. but they ask aloud the same question we are too timid to ask/
Thank you so much for sharing. This was a pretty cool bit of comic lore. I shared it with my own childhood friend who loves comics as much as me and also became a priest 😄
This actually fits in with Catholic doctrine, in that a non-Catholic or non-Christian can give the last Rites or validly hear a confession because the operative element in the dying person's faith. (Same with Baptisms.)
I wonder what atheist will react seeing Norse god (marvel) or greek god (DC). I bet they see them as super mutant human or alien. Im really curious on how religion and non religion people seeing God hero. I love that comic, it's so wholesome.
It would put Norse/Greek mythology into the category of "basically true." Would they be gods? I think you could make good arguments either way. Their powers aren’t explained by current science, but they clearly don’t violate the laws of physics (by definition, if it happens it obeys the laws of physics, anything breaking the laws of physics must be fictional, otherwise it’s just causing us to realise we got the laws wrong). I wouldn’t worship them though. There’s no requirement to worship a god just because you believe in them. Worship is such a weird concept. Like, they are fundamentally a person, worshiping a person is just bazaar. Respecting or admiring, sure, but worship? Prayer, I mean if I really needed them and it was more effective than a phone call? Thor can’t read minds though (as far as I know), and doesn’t carry a mobile, so I’d probably be best trying to call the Avengers and seeing if they could contact him.
@@HALLish-jl5moMost of the stuff the Gods do in Marvel disobeys the laws of physics. I don't see how physics can explain how they hear prayers across the universe, create afterlives where people specifically from their faith get to go, or create worlds out of nothing. Magic and science are very distinct in Marvel. Unlike characters like Hulk who have a sci-fi explanation for their immense powers, the Gods in Marvel have no explanation for their powers except magic. That is one of the things that separates them from the category of super advanced beings. As for prayers, it would indeed be more effective than phone calls because Thor hears prayers across the universe and is often dealing with other matters on another planet or dimension, so trying to contact him with a phone call or by the Avengers is just a waste of time at that point.
@@romansionis2470 Yeah, but if they were real, then by definition they'd obey the laws of physics. We'd need to bin most of our current understanding of physics, but that doesn't mean it's not physics. Until a century ago the sun didn't obey known laws of physics, not it does because physics has advanced. Magic and science can only be distinct in fiction. In reality, science covers EVERYTHING. It may not be able to explain it yet, but it covers it. If somebody started levitating tomorrow they'd be in a physics lab the following day and we'd be throwing out Newtonian mechanics by Friday. If god's can hear prayers, one of the first questions asked would be if they hear with a speed of light delay. If not, causality is getting an update... Magic, conceptually, can't exist. It's just physics to people to ignorant to understand.
Yes it’s a different comic, and I think I know which one you’re talking about. It pisses a lot of people off. The Hindu gods also get wrecked by the Norse gods and it does Shiva, Vishnu, and Brahma dirty. Totally doesn’t get Hindu mythology. The Aztec gods try to roll up on the Egyptian gods and get ROFL stomped. Satan ends up helping the Greek and Norse gods kill the Judeo Christian Islamic God. There’s a side story where humans biologically become gods through science experiments with the body of a recently Mjolnired Shiva. It’s wild and all over the place.
The fact that the Thorite religion is only a thing in the 2099 universe and not in the main 616 universe baffles me. The Asatru god of thunder literally walks the Earth and saves people’s lives regularly. Jesus, on the other hand, is absent and uninvolved. Shouldn’t the god of a specific religion walking the earth in the open be a draw to that religion? The Thorite religion should be a fast growing religion in the 616 universe and the Thunderstrike mace should be one of their most holy relics.
It could be that since he makes regular appearances Thor becomes "mundane" and just a part of regular everyday life. People just get used to him essentially.
The Thorite religion in 2099 is depicted as a cult. As people who believe the "age of heroes" will come back, and when Spider-Man finally returns, they take it as a sign. In 616 Marvel, Thor still hears the prayers of people who pray to him.
I like how this comic humanizes Thor, he just seeks for the meaning of his existence and life as everyone else, Thor (from Marvel and from the Mithology) is known for always pass his time with the mortals, he likes to talk, help, and have fun with normal people, so, putting the Norse God at the same level of an human, actually not one, ALL humans, truly homages the character Thor is full of very very very good stories in Marvel, you just need to seek for yourself and find, I am not lying when I say that after Spider-Man, and FF, Thor must have the best arcs/stories at Marvel
As someone going trhu a spiritual crisis, among others, This is one of my favorite issues prior to the Ragnarok Storyline. It's a beautiful issue, and makes me tear up, but it will always remain a favorite.
A few days ago I got a feature from a Superman comic where he talked a woman out of suicide. Guess now stuff like this is in my algorithm. Good. Never knew Thor comics got this heavy. I was really touched at how maturely the writer handled this topic.
Wish we had this Thor in the MCU. Especially with Love and Thunder incorporating the premise of deities walking amongst mortals, faith being tested, and learning to let go before passing on to the afterlife. I love the comics version of Thor. A Warrior Poet, as wise as he is mighty. Ironically, that version was witnessed in The Dark World, which was supposedly "the worst one".
I've not kept up with comics nearly as much as I would have liked. Reading this actually pout a tear in my eye, an interesting concept with a beautiful ending. I kinda needed this.
I find it amazing that comic books can give a clearer and more comprehensive answer to the questions of existence with a statement of "I don't know" than many who yell loudly they know the answer. Perhaps sometimes the question is more important than the answer.
The Second Commandment of the Ten Commandments is "Thou shalt have no OTHER GODS before me." The Old Testament even talks about other gods in other cultures. So, there's really no reason for a priest to lose faith in HIS God, even if it is confirmed the Norse Patheon exists. The Norse, Greek, Aztec, Egyptian, or Roman pantheon existing doesn't negate the existence of the Christian God. Christians can even acknowledge they exist without violating the Commandment. Christians just can't put them before the Christian God. You'd think a priest would have a better grasp of his own religious text, and not so easily lose faith.
It's not as simple as you make it out to be. Keep in mind, in our world, even though many religions claim they are the real ones, they still haven't shown that their deities exist in a objective manner. And so, if one day we suddenly encounter a being that resembles, say, Huixilopotli, obviously, people would have a lot of questions
@@user-wo7ql7or3gor let’s say we see ra and other ancient godlike creatures running around but no sight of the Christian god and the other gods all confirm that he is not real🤣🤣🤣🤣maaaannnnn the Christian’s would lose they minds lol
I'd imagine it's difficult to keep faith in a deity who _seems_ to be perpetually negligent of his worshippers, let alone his creation, when forcibly and directly compared to the pagan god who just physically appeared in the middle of Times Square and beat back a literal demon with a hammer. Maybe the second commandment demands keeping Christ and Yahweh first, but that inevitably beggars the question: to what end? A promise of a heaven no one has firsthand accounts of? A threat of eternal damnation that never gets seen? God sticks us in a material world, with material rewards, punishments, and consequences, and then judges us for not following spiritual laws over our lifetime. It's like scheduling your child for the most important test of their life in several weeks, then setting them to study in a crackhouse.
I love when comic books slow down and tell stories like this. There are so many stories that explore the super side of heros but its something special to really showcase the man or woman under the cape.
Marvel already provided an answer for this, elder gods like Thor aren't the true creative force behind the universe. They may have affected the result but they didn't initiate it or cause the process. Individuals like Thor are probably analogous to the ascended from stargate. The classical gods are descendants of the first sentients of this planet some of whom ascended to a higher form in order to avoid degenerating into demons. This process probably repeated on countless other worlds in order to produce their own pantheons.
I like stories like these. The ones that show a side of your favourite heroes that you don't really see all that much. It's pretty easy to think of Thor like nothing more than a musclebound oaf. A Valhallan Surfer Boi. But, there's so much more to him than that. Thanks for sharing! ...If only the art style was better. Like, a whole lot better. OOF.
The Actual answer is that the Priest would go to Hel/Helhiem according to Norse mythology. He didn't die in Battle so he wouldn't go to Vallalah. The good news is Norse Hel is different then Christian Hell which eternal suffering. Norse Hel is a decent place for the dead can rest while Hel the Goddess of the dead would take care of you if you lived an Decent life. But if you were an Asshole in life, She would feed you to Garm the Hound of Hel or cast you down with the Wyrm dragons below.
I honestly adore these kinds of stories told then a lot of the ones about saving the world and one punching the creator of everything. A hero isn’t always about literally saving lives, they can be icons of individualism, hope, connection. It’s why spider-man is so loved after all, he relates and he struggles. Lives don’t need to be threatened to be saved, they can just be confused, or misguided. And who knows, maybe the victim themselves can also save the hero in return. There’s so much story that can be uncovered from having protectors know exactly who they are protecting and vice versa.
This isn’t the first time Thor has wrestled with his divinity in the modern world. There was a story in the 80s when a group of Thor cultists started following Thor around and worshipping him which made Thor uncomfortable. But the Thor cult really ticked off a Christian divinity student who of course discovers a magic sword and suit of armor. He gains super strength from the outfit, calls himself Crusader, and tries to kill the Pagan god Thor in front of the Thor cult. The Crusader is full of religious zeal while Thor is uneasy hearing the prayers of his cultists. Crusader almost kills Thor running his sword through him. Sif takes Thor to Asgard to get healed and get advice from Odin. In the rematch Crusaders faith falters when he sees Thor (who he thought he killed) return without a scratch and Thor defeats him. Thor then tells his cult that he’s not a god worthy of worship and points them towards a church “of the new god”
The best part is that Thor and the Asgardians are just small gods. The are things more powerful than them. If humans think something like Thor is a god, then what of Galactus? Or the Phoenix? Or The Beyonder? Or the Living Tribunal? Or even The One-Above-All?
@@ace0719If you're talking about the priest, then no, the God he worships has nothing to do with The One Above All, nobody worships TOAA last I checked. And the Christian God falls in the skyfather category like Odin, Zeus etc and is completely different from TOAA.
Only a handful of beings have seen the one above all, the one in marvel that could be called God, like what he stepped in to give Parker a pep talk at his lowest point
As a born again believer, I know where I shall go when I die. But the answer to the question as to why am I here, and what am I to do? I already have at least one answer. I AM HERE BECAUSE I CHOOSE TO BE HERE.
When I compare Thor in this comic to how Odin was with Iron Man, it makes me think that this might be why Odin acts so distant with mortals. While he is a god, Thor is young and brash, yet he still cares about mortals deeply, that is why he fights as a superhero. Odin is wisened by time and immense cosmic power, why should he care when he has 9 realms of existence to maintain, there are others who can handle the petty affairs of mortals. This is also where I see the flaws of Odin however, as he brushes off these concerns to focus on the grander scheme, but Thor doesn’t. He is a fighter, who wants to be right there in the action. As a result, he interacts with and grown to understand mortals in a way his father can’t from atop his throne, even with his cosmic power. So, when he inevitably takes up the throne after his father, while he will also have to see things in a larger light, he will have a more sympathetic outlook towards mortals.
For the most part the regular ass human never sees either of thoose. And when they do they die, because comonly demons come first and the angel either takes them to the afterlife or destroys the possesed human. In Marvel and DC it hapoens like that. So yeah they only see the "pagans" gods walk among them but never what is closer to their belif.
@@AugustoEL higly x that they never saw since you know GHOST RIDER EXIST also vampires ecc... and at this point it would be well know thanks to internet ecc...
Yeah, Demons and Angels exist. So does Thor, a Norse God. And Khonshu, an Egyptian God. Marvel’s religious interactions are a fucking nightmare for the average man. I wouldn’t be shocked if the most common stance is agnosticism, specifically a stance of “I have no fucking clue what’s going on, and I don’t think the Gods do either.”
@@dontknowdontknow9769 Eeeh... Ghost rider maybe. But the vampires prove jack shit, lots of cultures had blood sucking monsters. Also yes and no, as I said weirdly a regular ass human gets to be in the middle of thoose level threats and walk off alive
A nice story, but the question really boils down to: Who made it all, and how does that being relate to the priest's faith? The answer, if you follow the Marvel canon, is The One Above All, who is about as close as one can get to the Creator God of most religions. ='[.]'=
@miguelatkinson True but not many characters in marvel comics actually know who the one above all is. So I doubt a normal person in marvel would know that the one above all exist.
There is a Christian God in Marvel, and he's a skyfather like Odin, Zeus etc. The One Above All is a different character altogether. So the being who made it all, doesn't have much to do with the priest's faith.
Very well done. Thoughtful and respectful, not just of Christian faith (or faith in general), but of the issues that faith deals with-life's purpose, meaning and character we can choose to develop, regret, forgiveness-which Thor has to deal with as well.
@@OkPe-ww5rs Hospitals? Don't make me laugh. You folks (violently) held back science, including medical science for centuries (you still do actually, by opposing a lot of new research, denying women their rights to their own bodies and by perpetuating BS faith healing), and the pittances you throw at hospitals for PR purposes are completely outweighed by all the physical and mental violence your faith perpetuates. Charities? Again, don't make me laugh. For your types it's a paid tool for spreading misinformation _at best,_ with so many strings attached one could fish their entire life with one, lol. And oh yeah, so "charitable" with them corpo megachurches, rampant corruption, old wealth from slave trading and various invasions around the globe, tax-dodging and don't even get me started on how the Catholic upper eschelons live in frigging castles and scoff at any car below the 250k price mark while people around the globe starve. Adoption? Ohohohoooo yes you people have _such_ a good track record with brainwashing children into your beliefs. Or literally throwing them out into the street when they're LGBTQ or don't conform. That's *the* way your faith has *stolen* the presence and relevance it still has today: Generational enforcement. It sure isn't your intrusive street preachers, billboards, ads and other marketing drivel convincing anyone. You just gaslight your children and propagandize their freedom of choice away from them, and oooh boy are your priests _very_ eager to _get close_ to little boys and girls in their care. Oh wait sorry, the girls go to the nuns who _only_ shame all joy of life from the girls. There aren't enough trees in the world to produce enough paper to list all the misdeeds of abrahamic religions. If you're a good person, you are one _despite_ your faith. Or rather against it, as one can figure out by just reading the "holy" book. Whichever one of the "one truths" it is you follow.
@@BLANK-pr5qs He is who is. Of course He is above fictional realities and fantasies that were shown in some comics. So the one that you are calling God of Marvel, for example, isn't Him for definition and because he depends on the real One
@shin-oni4223 In the marvel the one above all is pretty much God, but not a lot of characters actually know about about it. Only a handful of Marvels characters actually know about it so I doubt a normal person in marvel would actually know about it.
No, the Christian God and The One Above All are completely different characters in Marvel. Though both are referred to as "God" at times, they're still separate beings. The Christian God is a skyfather like Odin, Zeus etc in Marvel.
@@BLANK-pr5qsHe's not just compared to God but is literally considered to be the God of everything in Marvel, but yeah he's not Yahweh as Yahweh exists as a separate character in Marvel.
I understand at their heart, superhero comics are about escapism. But my favorite stories are like this one. Where they take something so simple and also so complex, but at the same time something we really see in our lives. This is also why I love Superman.
It's a bit of a poor presentation... After all, apart from Thor, there are: Demons, angels, elves, magic and whole worlds beyond Earth. And only Thor was shown?? After all, people saw the great Galactus in heaven and could ask questions: What is my faith in all this? Thor is nothing in comparison.
Honestly, if I lived in the Marvel universe I think my religious stance would be a confused shrug. Just no clue what is and isn’t true about religion, and I’d probably give up trying to figure out.
As if I lived in such a world full of miracles. My faith was the Tao. Everything is part of something else. And that was the closest thing to a picture of the world.
Not sure when Galactus went to heaven, but last I checked the people only know him for attempting to eat the planet, makes sense for them to not worship him despite his powers and instead worshipping Thor as he regularly helps the planet and is known to be a God from one of the many religions on Earth. And Thor wasn't the only one shown, many other Gods, demons, angels etc were shown, people simply worship who they prefer. The God and angels from Christianity also exist alongside the Norse, Greek and other pantheons and they're all in the same category in Marvel.
Well, the author skipped the obvious answer - which then leads to difficult questions about DC universe Christianity. Thor is a powerful being of the universe that lives among a group that calls themselves gods. Maybe the old Earth Vikings even worshipped them once upon a time. But he is not a god that creates life, creatures, or universes. There are gods, and then their is God.
No the priest mentioned that. Encountering Thor made him question everything. Is Jesus even real? A liar? or was he an alien like Thor? (Hell, there are religions IRL that try proclaiming God, Jesus, etc were aliens so its not too hard to believe a priest encountering one, especially one named after a known God, to start doubting himself.)
Pretty sure an old All father thor created life in an alternate future in the Gorr the god butcher story. That future didn’t come true but it did show what he could do
They don't just call themselves gods, they're literally confirmed to be Gods in Marvel. This version of Thor may not be the one creating life, but Odin can indeed create life, creatures, universes etc. Thor after becoming the All Father can also do the same. The Christian God is a skyfather level character in Marvel and hence falls in the same category as Odin, Zeus etc
It's funny to think how much this version of Thor is influenced by our modern sensibilities. Greek and Norse mythology were about jackass gods randomly terrorizing us without giving a single shit. OG Thor would have flattened that priest for the lulz and then had an orgy with various animals.
the thing is Heaven exists in marvel, nightcrawler goes there when he dies, then teleports out
I didn't know that, that is hilarious. "Yeah, no, I'm not staying dead."
There are multiple afterlives in marvel.
@@sintanan469 its quite sad actually, nightcrawler is a heavy catholic, so heaven is paradise for him. he had to help people so he teleported out, but now he is no longer allowed back
God: Hey Kurt, Earth is fucked up again
Funny enough, Asgard in Marvel also has a Heven but without the A in it
Believe it or not this actually aligns with the real mythological Thor, because Thor albeit being super strong and powerful often spent his time protecting the vulnerable and is known to chill with peasants
Depends on who you ask, really.
@@MrCrunchytime are the Norse sagas fair enough
@@pemithmithsara7632 I thought I was being funny, but if you want to be a pretentious ass, I would assume the same sagas that depict him as a genocidal brute.
Just cuz you say he's a genocidal brute doesn't mean he doesn't chill with the peasants One fact doesn't deny another, idiot@@MrCrunchytime
@@MrCrunchytime You play to much God of War.
I find it funny how the Insurance can cover
a Car flattened by a Norse god
"Act of God" is usually a valid thing in insurance claims haha, although it usually refers to unforeseen weather and natural destruction, not Thor, God of Thunder haha.
@@jordankeller4253 I mean who could REALLY foresee a Thunder God crushing your car because he needed it to smack a monster across the face?
In both marvel and DC insurance covers acts of god, alien beings, superhero’s and villains, and super being induced acts of nature
In the world of superheroes and villains, they probably have all types of insurances.
@@Papa_Wafflesthe writers?
Ghost Rider: yes, Heaven is real
Yeah there is literally an avatar of the devil himself, hell theres probably a few of them, shouldnt that prove heaven to him?
@@Evasiv And the Ghost Riders (yes there are more) gets their powers from a Fallen Archangel.. Zadkiel... whom once attacked Heaven wtih the Ghost Riders later attacking Zadkiel...
@@badgamemaster Not quite if I remember correctly. The Ghost Riders are a creation of God, which is why Blaze said only God could destroy one -- all Zadkiel could do was mess around with the power, but he couldn't destroy it.
@@shadowcatcherfox5186what about Zarathos in some lore he was an Angel that became a spirit of vengeance while in others he was a demon, there are many adaptations from God creating riders to angels that went crazy I think each adaptation adds something interesting
Yeah Ghost rider is proof
Faith is such a curious thing, it can be shaken by the most mundane things but it also has the strength to steel men's lifes. This comic was beautiful.
That's the thing about faith. If one requires proof to believe, they never believed to begin with.
“He was happy in the end. I just don’t understand.” “It’s called faith hawk girl. You don’t understand it you just have it.”
@@MrCrunchytimeThat’s not how belief works.
I believe in giraffes. But only because I have proof (footage, scientific journals, I’ve seen a couple). If someone down the pub just said they existed, but there was no footage , no photos, no zoos, I’d assume it was untrue.
By your definition I don’t believe in giraffes because I required proof. Which is an absurd statement, of course I believe, I’ve fed one.
Belief begins and ends with faith. Furthermore, faith is not something you can be given, nor have forced upon you, it is something you must freely choose. I wish more people understood the nature of faith, that you cannot dictate - by mandate or law - that people will be faithful. Maybe, if more people understood that faith is a choice and not a rod to beat people with, fewer people would hate the faithful.
@@dhunter1133 Maybe if "the faithful" weren't being bigots, punishing women for existing, and following men who put themselves on equal standing as God, they wouldn't feel like the world was against them.
I liked the last scene. As a Christian myself it is nice to not see my faith mocked or dismissed like it often is in modern media.
Where in modern media has your faith been mocked or dismissed
One example is the Big Bang Theory were the only example is an ignorant rube, albeit a likeable one. Another example would be the Law and Order series were they are usually portrayed as hypocrites, bigots or worse. @@miguelatkinson
@@miguelatkinson At this point, better question is: how many examples can you point to in modern media where there's a positive example of Christian faith? Not just someone who is a Christian, but someone who actively tries to preach worship of the Christian god?
Because you're sure as shit not finding that in Hazbin Hotel.
@@andrewniehoff8612Christians are hypocrites or bigots. By definition.
If a Christian follows the bible, they have to be homophobic. Sorry, it’s a 2000 year old book written by homophobes and it references homosexuality, it was going to be homophobic. They’d also have to be sexist, because it covers power dynamics between men and women.
Or they can be hypocrites, and believe that there is an all knowing, all powerful god, who they are going to ignore and be good people by treating LGBT people and women equally.
Now I like hypocritical Christians, I’m friends with a few, but they are hypocrites.
@PeterDivine You've got millions of tax-exempt buildings dedicated to propagating your beliefs. Just because your beliefs aren't profitable in the media doesn't mean they're being actively discredited. And if they are, so what? Just keep believing them anyway.
There is something about Thor giving the priest his last rights that strikes a chord with me. It shows respect in a way that few things do.
Technically Thor shouldn't as he's not a priest. But it is a true sign of respect which I respect.
@@zomfraggerin very specific situation, when you are dying and you are alone, you *can* baptise yourself with just a formula without water. I don't see how someone who's not priest can't give a dying person last sacrament.
PS: I respect how he knows what to say to give last sacrament
@@jakubdedza7512You're half right; according to the Catechism of the Catholic Church, should he truly be alone, the only way to receive baptism at Death's door would be via the simple, burning desire to receive it (“the desire for Baptism… brings about the fruits of Baptism without being a sacrament” (CCC 1258)). If he had someone else with him, even if it's someone of another faith or even no faith, they are allowed to baptize him so long as they have water and know the formula. The third specific way would be by blood, ie. martyrdom, etc.
These methods are only for extreme circumstances involving baptism.
I remember a story where Thor pray, is a really old story from him.
It strike me as how respectful Thor is towards christian faith, is almost like he want to be part of it.
As a Christian who also fears the unknown of death, this story was very touching. I'm glad Thor showed such respect for the man's faith. His smile as he said the last "ask me again tomorrow" made me kinda choke up.
When does the Black Moon howl?
There is nothing we have to be unsure about death. Christ came into the world so that whoever believes in Him may have forgiveness of their sins and enter into eternal life with God.
@@jonathanmiller5232 Yet, the Scarlet King still continues with his advance on the world
@@jonathanmiller5232I agree, but it’s natural for humans to doubt, we most be strong in our Faith
@@user-ft1gn6en5jGee wilkers! Someone barking about a SCP FOUNDATION character in the comment section, on a singular content comment simply talking about their beliefs and dealing with mortal, holy fuck shit gimmie a break-
"I'm sorry I flattened your Volkswagen" 😂
I wish they explored more on this. Thor goes in search for answers. A very interesting story
But then the magic will be gone.
Kinda ahppens in one universe.
Basically the Ragnarok starts and finds out the universe restars after it again and again so he goes "Fuck this shit" and goes against the gods above the Asgardians.
@@AugustoEL which one was that?
@@kingofhearts3185 I think Rune King Thor
@@sleepingvalley8340 thanks
I didn't think a story about Thor and a Priest contemplating faith would make me teary eyed, but there it is. Been close to death a few times in my life. I've wondered what happens when I breath my last. What happens when those I love do the same. Faith tells me there's more than just this life or reality, however we want to name it. I will always be afraid though, this took the fear away for a bit. That's damn good writing.
They couldn't be more different: a badass warrior god who battles demons like it's a day job, ... and a weak dying priest. All too easy for one to look at the other in utter disdain, dismissive.
Yet they have more in common than we thought: they both ask the same question: "Who am i? Why am I here?"
Aren't we all asking that same question?
at the end of the day, we will never know, you can believe a bunch of people who wrote books on the subject thousands of years ago but you will still never know, until it's too late to change what happens to you, at which point you fall and get directed left or right into whatever you new existence will be. You have no control, accept it and you will worry a lot less, after all you have 1/10000 chance of picking the right religion, and a 1/1000 of perfectly adhering to it, so better to plead your case to whichever god you meet on the other side.
Be good to the best of your ability, if you do something bad because you believed it was good, that's god's fault for making you with that belief, nothing you can do about it.
Seeing this video makes me wish the MCU would put moments like this into the movies and shows. These small moments are relevant to the heroes and help make them relatable and loved.
Right? Moments like thse could make whole movies it could be just about this one Priest and how he goes on with his life, until he meets thor, how he reacts and how he lives after it, ubtil he meets thor in his last moments, we need movies about the normal prople that had their lives changed by them
What we got: Thor: Love & Thunder treating him like a buffoon smh
Writers have no depth and/or are directed to keep it fluffy. They only writer jokes, quips and snarky remarks every other minute. There is a lack of maturity to write anything of meaning.
They are no longer putting stuff like this in because those with power in the industry generally hate or are intolerant of Christianity.
@@OfcrToddCrnkovichOPD If that were the case Daredevil wouldn't be getting a follow-up to his Netflix show
This... was honestly beautiful
Seriously I love when marvel does these stories.
Thor: turns out we're fictional characters In a comic book with no free will
See I love the philosophical stories like this,
question your reality and questioning the universe
I seem to remember in the late 90's that the Angel Gabriel gave Frank Castle the ability to summon "all the weapons of heaven"
Nobody likes divine retribution Frank Castle.
@@OriginalRAB Even worse when he teamed up with Wolverine in that era.
You know you've been given a pass on the sin of murder when heaven gives you access to their entire armory.
@@zomfragger then Frank was mind-boggled when he found out that the weapons of Heaven was the Bible.
@chandllerburse737 how can you be agnostic when gods exist and all of them are real all bro gotta do is pick one and its real
This, Superman saving a suicide and an abused child, heck Deadpool saving a suicide, these moments are how they show they are truly heroes. *With* the “mask” not as people, and therefore prove undisputedly that they are in facts heroes, and our validation and faith in them as children is never wrong.
I love these stories to help remind me of that.
I call these stories palette cleanser. Especially after a big event, I like the down-to-earth, self-contained, quiet stories.
And batman allowing ace to have the luxury of choice, when she is near her death.
Saw a video essay on Superman as a character, and something that was brought up I found interesting was that stories where superman is just a bruiser getting in fights with bad guys are always *super* boring. Nigh invincible man punching another nigh invincible man until someone pulls out a green rock and he buckles.
Superman, at his core, is a *savior*. The heat vision, the cold breath, the X-ray, the flying and strength everything about him and his powers are all built around creatively using those powers to save people. Car pile up, falling building, collapsing bridge, volcano etc, nothing poses a threat to him but it does to all the squishy people. Narrative stakes in a superman story should never be 'will he beat the bad guy' cause he wasn't written for that, he was written for 'will he save everybody?' Thats something that a lot of movies seem to not really understand.
@@seasnaill2589 I think there's a place and time for an all-out Superman brawl because it's a spectacle especially in a comic book event specifically if it's on a cosmic scale. It's sometimes good to remind everyone no one tug on Superman's cape here and there.
@@seasnaill2589Overlysarcastic productions detail diatribe?
I like to imagine Thor scrolling on TH-cam looking at sermons aimed at him. "Thor is a Nephilim"
😂 best part of Thor in actual Norse Mythology- he genuinely loves and cares for all Humans. Especially the working class, and their struggles.
Regardless of your faith, Thor was known as the Guardian of all Midgarrd(Earth).
Thor would never turn a man or woman away because of their faith.
I a perfect world, neither would a Christian God.
Actually i just cross with a vid saying that some humans are nephilin descendents...
@@SonoraSlingerI _KNEW_ there was some reason i vibed with him as an Avenger and a Norse God
Good thing insurance covers acts of gods
I mean I swear I've heard that, "a act of god" is a real thing in law.
@@Squidemoticonyes, its the stereotypical "cop out" clause for denying liability. An act of god is basically anything thats so remotely unlikely to happen, and happen where/when it did, that insuring for it is ridiculous (though if its so unlikely, one would be hardpressed to see why they shouldnt cover it then). In reality, its just a legal excuse for anything expensive insurance doesnt want to honor "oh no, the flood didnt destroy your home, the ground under it being swallowed by the river is what destroyed your home!"
@@ObviouslyNotXenreksometimes it is understandable like icy roads in a desert but it should default to them paying at least something to help with the damages
I always wonder about how people in the Marvel Universe would handle their own faiths. I really liked this comic. The art was really solid, too, and matched the tone of the story, I'd say. I bet ancient mythologies would really resurface, considering the likes of Thor or Loki are fairly common sights, or Greek gods such as Hercules, even the mythos of Moon Knight -- While we might know that these gods could just be aliens that comparatively seem like gods, many civilians likely wouldn't. I wouldn't be surprised to see a church erected for worship of any ancient mythology.
It's fun to think about.
Monotheistic faiths would tell you they are lessers under God's power(and since there's the One Above All, they'd be correct), but you are right in that normal people would be more religiously shaken by their existence. I too would like to see these stories, but they're too "serious" and "hardcore" for today's comics, and wouldn't be treated with the seriousness they demand(either going "duh, God is right" or "duh, atheism is right")
@@enriquejoseantequerasanche6180 Well the One Above All isn't the Abrahamic biblical God Yahweh. Yahweh is a sky-father similar to Odin, Zeus, Brahma, or the native God Manidoog. While the One Above All is aligned with cosmic Gods, or what Marvel calls cosmic Gods
"greater Gods" and mythical Gods "lesser Gods."
The comic industry will avoid the issue because it would open a can of worms they do not want to handle.
@@saafirg9081 the god of the bible is a cosmic god like the one above all he creates everything and is not a "sky father" like Odin or Zeus (ignoring that chaos made the earth in Greek mythology) and brahma is one of 3 gods rather then the trinity. The problem with your point is that no offense the biblical god or the Abrahamic god in general is the epitome of the cosmic god as there is none above him and none beside him to treat him as just one of another is not the belief of the Abrahamic faiths and that this idea is the origin of the one above all. Also don't say Yahweh your referring to god the father which is only apart of the trinity. if referencing Judaism you would be correct but since you say bible I assume you talk about Christianity. In Islam it is Allah or god in English but in Christianity the father comprises apart of gods being in the trinity of father, son and holy spirit so please present the belief accurately I assume your are an atheist or of another religion and are ignorant to the fact but please take this into account in the future thanks
@Idishrkdmd Yahweh is the Abrahamic gods(Islam, Christianity, and Judaism) name. Why wouldn't I use it? Plus, Allah is not a name it literally translates to "The God." And no, the Abrahamic god is not a cosmic entity. There's literally a comic where he meets Howard the Duck.
Insurance rates in Marvels new york must be ridiculous.
There is a group called 'Damage Control' that rebuilds the city after fights. Heroes often have to work there for community service. Their budget is obscene
@@TheKyrix82to be fair, they must be funded with every government across the world
@@JosephPao I think this was just America
@TheKyrix82 Yea, but there are other place where the avengers fight than America
I’ve thought the same thing about Metropolis and Tokyo on the Godzilla universe…
Ngl the comic runs where Asgardians are just super advanced aliens makes the most sense like what they were trying todo in the early stages of mcu before love and thunder chucked it all away
It lines up a lot with stories of the “Nordic” types of alien encounters and stories
The gods in the mcu have some good moments were the title of God is stripped away, odin talk with loki "we are not God we are born, we live and we die"
Zeus say mortals don't worship them or pray to them anymore, how people look up and see another superhero.
I like what they are going for, they have been the top dog for so long and now the rest of the world is catching up. They are still more advanced in every way but the gap between them and us is closing as humans advance
@@jamesalexander8193Gap closing? Fact that some humans got power to rival gods (a many of them do so with help of those gods) mean nothing in grand scheme of thing (they not only ones who make such achievements, not most powerful). Gods like Zeus as species way beyond humans.
@@darkly7378 true but they speak like they miss their respect and how humans use to fear them. The survivers of asgard are refugees now, mighty gods now begging for help
@@jamesalexander8193 typical humanity if you think about it. They respect (or fear) you only when you are useful (have power/will to dominate).
Can you imagine if Disney had the talent to actually depict Thor in such a position? Even as a side scene, nothing to do with the major plot but something quiet and reserved to demonstrate his complexity…..
At least without turning it into a big joke about screaming goats and Thor being aroused by his Hammer?
I mean its up to the people that make each movie and religion isn't a topic most want to tackle since that is literally some peoples whole lives. Also a side scene is always made fun of in movies as useless scenes unless they do something in the plot like Spider man helping that kid in ASM2. No hero movie focuses on religion that's good. Like DC is always shouting about it but none of the heroes care anyway
@@lightdarksoul2097 Well I hard disagree. This is exactly the kind of stuff I want to see. I don’t make fun of side scenes at all as long as they serve a point, and this one would serve to show that Thor is more than a bumbling man child, and that being a god is more than just throwing hammers around.
I never said they need to focus on religion. But scenes like this give us insight into the world, make it more believable, and ground characters with realistic issues that everyone can relate to.
isn't that what like daredevil and the street level heroes do?@@The-Yellow-Man
@@lightdarksoul2097 No. Thats what literally any hero of any kind can do if the writers aren’t lazy hacks.
-Thor comforting and thanking a dying priest.
-Captain Marvel visiting Mrs Marvel as the universe is dying to tell her she’s earned the name.
-Superman taking time from saving the world to stop a young woman from ending her own life.
-Batman comforting a little girl who could destroy the world because he knows she’s about to die.
To me and many other comic book fans these are the things that make these characters interesting.
Sadly I don't know if many see anything superman as super interesting. People have a weird thing against the man of steel. @@The-Yellow-Man
Stories like this, showing Thor's growth as man not just as a warrior, that makes him one of my favorite Characters.
See things like this are the most important part of hero comics these little interactions that means so much this doesn't save the universe stop a massive villain or save the day it's just a person talking to another person.
Well this summoned a lot more christains then I thought it would have.
why would it not talking about religion in a respectful way is like crack for the cool ones
bro it's a video about Thor talking with a priest, what Christian wouldn't be intrigued?
@@Kilovotis I'm an agnostic, and I thought it was interesting.
@@OptimusWombat Agnostic as well, wanted to see how well it was handled. They did pretty good ngl.
Add Muslims into the mix
I actually like this very much. It was handled in a very mature way, and I could have very easily seen it going the way of dunking on Christianity that is all too sickeningly popular these days. Instead they took it seriously. They admitted they didn't know and didn't have the answers. So they did the next best thing in the story. They accepted it. And did it in a beautiful way that doesn't alienate anyone. It's sad that such masterful writing is as rare as it is.
You pass butter
Priest: Oh my god
Makes me think of the episode of the 90s X-Men cartoon when they meet Nightcrawler for the first time.
If anyone reads this comment and you have Disney+, look the episode up. I think it's straight up called Nightcrawler.
Shame what they've done with Nightcrawler's character in current Marvel comics.
When he was created, his character's demonic appearance was an allegory for his being a mutant. His faith gave him the strength to live in a world that feared and hated him.
Now he's renounced his Catholic faith to "create a religion for all mutants" and his origin has been retconned again to make his parentage into a trans allegory.
No joke, they changed his parentage into South Park's original origin for Cartman, his mother is his father.
First his mom was Mystique (hence his blue skin) and his father was a normal human German baron. Then they retconned his father as a mutant with exactly the same powers as his, but red skin.
Now, they retconned that Mystique is his "father" because she can shape-shift "fully-equipped" and the mutant Destiny is really his mother.
It's interesting to me the juxtaposition between this Thor story, seeking to say something about faith and asking important questions while not disrespecting the belief of the character of the priest or readers who may share his faith while telling a compelling thought-provoking story,
versus the disregard for Nightcrawler's Catholicism in current day Marvel, regarding it as outdated and non-inclusive and therefore irrelevant and needing to be replaced.
I thought it was funny that when I was trying to google who Nightcrawler's original human father was in the comics, all the top google results were for the Mystique is his father retcon and their titles all said, "Marvel reveals the truth of Nightcrawler's father".
It's a retcon, it's not a "revealed truth", they changed it. The only article title I saw that addressed it as such was IGN's, which said, "Marvel dramatically rewrites the history between Nightcrawler and Mystique".
Well, Nightcrawler was always intended to be Mystique and Destiny's child. It's just that the editors at Marvel over at that time didn't approve of it so it had to change. Otherwise, that's what Chris Claremont has wanted to do since 1995.
@abhinav2500 (in Eric Cartman's voice) "My dad was a GINGER?!" 🤣
(Edit: Well, that's frustrating. I'm glad I looked at this comment again, because only the joke part posted and not the rest of it. Good thing the full comment is still in my clipboard.)
There's been a lot of times when editorial has mucked up a storyline or character(s), but IMO editorial made the right call on that one.
From a storytelling standpoint, it seems needlessly complicating to me. It's right up there with the original plan for the Spider-Man clone saga being that Scarlet Spider was the real Peter Parker and the Peter we've been following up to that point was a clone.
The Azazel retcon was frustrating enough.
This beautiful story is always undercut by the fact that someone decided to give Thor BANGS
That was a very kind and beautiful way to answer the only way Thor could - "I don't know, I honestly just got here, we're all figuring this out together."
As a Catholic, this was beautiful. Like the existence with anything beyond us, whether it be aliens or something else we call it, all of it has one Creator and one Savior. God bless!
wrong
@@Texasmade74 Ah, an intellectual response.
@@randumgaming you literally made a claim and argument via argumentum ad ignoratiam
@randumgaming there's no "ah" to it. You assume monotheism is the default, but yet you can't prove any such claim.Also, no, I'm not an atheist or agnostic either, just so you know
@@Texasmade74 I made a statement based on what I believed to be true in a public non-debate forum, and your best intelligent follow up is "wrong". Good luck with that. If you want to debate, find me somewhere more appropriate. Oh and btw, that is not how Ad Ignorantiam (an argument from ignorance) works lmao
Thor is drawn quite beautiful in every panel in this comic
That was one of the deepest comics I have ever come across. Thanks for telling the story. Thor never seemed more human than in this story.
"Who are you and why are you here?" "I'm looking for the answer to that, same as you."
Thor: I'll come back in a year
*1 year later*
Thor: SIKE!!!
In actual Norse Mythology, Thor loves humans. Has genuine concern for them. And often referred to as "Good Friend, Thor".
He cares little of your faith in him. He knows he doesn't exist in faith alone.
That priest is lucky he didn't meet a Greek God
why?
@@Oddball159 Let's just say they aren't nice.
@@CroCrash007 didnt zeus like fuck everything that walked?
True. The only Greek god you'd want to meet is Hades. In actual myth, He's a nice guy.
Zeus would probably ask the priest: ''After you die, can I ...''
It could also have gone like this.
Thor: Hail, Strange. A priest has asked me to explain how my existence reconciles with his faith and I didn't know what to tell him.
Dr. Strange: There is one above all who can walk in any place and by any face or name. And that one is good and true. Many are the ways to them, and many are the ways they have guided. They are so far beyond us, that even your kin, whom are called gods, are incomparably lower. Tell your priest he lives in piety to a greater being than you.
Thor: Thanks, bro.
that would be cheating.
Thor promised to answer this himself. He'd answer this himself, to the best he can.
If Strange knows that, then you can be sure that Thor does too. Considering Odin is counted in the same league as Galactus in the Marvel cosmic hierarchy.
Considering the setting though, his god definitely wouldn't have been the one to create the whole setting. Especially wouldn't be considered "good" either, considering all the rampant destruction they created. It's just more like what Thor said: strange mysterious beings higher up than anyone else, being complete enigmas.
Ok so almost basically hinduism
This was a surprisingly deep philosophical idea in the shape of a comic book. This is knowledge & wisdom that all men seek but very few recieve.
In medieval times,the clash between Norse religion and Christianity was strong. However,Christianity prevailed and the Vikings were converted.
As this is a fantasy,I’m relieved to know the writer tries to stay neutral about matters of faith.
It was a nice touch when Thor quoted verses from Paul’s epistles after the priest died.
Well Mephisto has that characters soul now. Like most conversions of Christianity, it was done by war. Many Norse believers were killed, just like Native Americans, Aztecs, incase, hindi, etc. Christianity/Islam has always been "accept my God or die". If the Asgardians are aliens, so should bejebas as well.
I was hoping that was something that would be brought up, his views on the people that worshipped him and did acts in his name.
Technically, Christianity didn't prevail. Violence did. The conversions where forced by torture and death.
@@SonoraSlinger Any idea that doesn't fight to exist will be wiped out and forgotten. The Nose wouldn't have let Christianity survive had they won, but it's been allowed to live on through Christianity today.
This was WONDERFUL! One of the things i've always liked about Marvel is that they've made their people have real lives, e.g. Spiderman having to earn money and having relationship problems. So having Thor needing to question his own life fits right in with that, and this was a particularly good way to do that. He not only found an answer for himself, but helped someone else (as Thor does) in answering the question for themselves.
I'm not an afterlife believer, but i understand i won't know until "tomorrow". Well, actually, if i'm right, i'll never know, haha!
Fun fact thor is the god of the everyman
The Bible, in many places infact affirms there are other "gods" (Elohim=spiritual beings of another nature)
In fact mentions God dealing harshly with these "gods" (of Egypt for example) for not dwelling within their proper roles and authorities.
Angels freak out and rebuke men for attempting to worship them in The Bible.
Some of these numerous beings stay in roles we know nothing about, others leave said roles and receive worship and institute, allow or encourage, Personification.
Ancient people had no issue with believing gods who competed for worship by signs and wonders, but The God of the Bible is actually making a very unique claim in that His origin has no grounding in any form of creation, like Thor, Anubis, Zues, etc. All of which depend on something outside themselves to exist and have power.
God identifies himself in the Bible as Yahweh, I AM = The one who is existence, severing his ties to dependance on anything else.
So, whether it is Aliens, Norse Gods, T-rexes with .50 Cal. Turrets hahah it poses no problems truly
Excellent description
I think there was even a pantheon war in Marvel that happened once because God left Heaven for some reason, and the other patheons ended up in an all-out brawl because they had the idea that whoever sits on God's throne in Heaven will become the "God of gods" and so they tried to invade Heaven, with even Odin getting involved and getting trounced by Archangel Gabriel
@@darrylferguson3622 That's sick
@@darrylferguson3622machine…
You are correct in that the different names serve different purposes. But the Torah is usually interpreted in Jewish faith that both names refer to the same God, simply in different context.
YWHA, or "Yahweh" is used in the context of a more tender nature of God. Literally translating as "I Am", or in modern English Bibles, "I am, that I am." where as "Elohim" is used in the context of a strong and sometimes vengeful God.
Because God is so vast and pure, that he takes on many forms. And for this reason, was given multiple names.
But you are correct that the names mean different things. Such is the message of God, that it requires multiple perspectives. :) And what a beautiful portrayal of that message this comic gives. 😊
The ultimate goal of faith is for all of us to be kind to each other.
And in the priest's dying moments, what he really needed was someone kind.
And that was Thor.
I absolutely loved this. It was a question on one's faith and finding your own answer to the one question we all have when we doubt. But simply, and beautifully, the answer is simply to accept and HAVE faith. That which is not something you can touch, see, smell or feel, but is there, just the same. It's a beautiful thought and we'll put in this. Even more so because it puts Thor, a literal god, in a humanly light to contemplate his very existence
The artwork for this book is absolutely insane as well. The detail is amazing.
Thor and Loki are more human that most humans. They ask questions we dare not. They look to each other and after a moment of contemplation, it is decided to carry on because the answer is not yet revealed.
They continue to ask ever seeking the same answers we do. but they ask aloud the same question we are too timid to ask/
Thank you so much for sharing. This was a pretty cool bit of comic lore. I shared it with my own childhood friend who loves comics as much as me and also became a priest 😄
This actually fits in with Catholic doctrine, in that a non-Catholic or non-Christian can give the last Rites or validly hear a confession because the operative element in the dying person's faith. (Same with Baptisms.)
I wonder what atheist will react seeing Norse god (marvel) or greek god (DC). I bet they see them as super mutant human or alien. Im really curious on how religion and non religion people seeing God hero. I love that comic, it's so wholesome.
They see them as Superpowered Aliens
It would put Norse/Greek mythology into the category of "basically true."
Would they be gods? I think you could make good arguments either way. Their powers aren’t explained by current science, but they clearly don’t violate the laws of physics (by definition, if it happens it obeys the laws of physics, anything breaking the laws of physics must be fictional, otherwise it’s just causing us to realise we got the laws wrong).
I wouldn’t worship them though. There’s no requirement to worship a god just because you believe in them. Worship is such a weird concept. Like, they are fundamentally a person, worshiping a person is just bazaar. Respecting or admiring, sure, but worship? Prayer, I mean if I really needed them and it was more effective than a phone call? Thor can’t read minds though (as far as I know), and doesn’t carry a mobile, so I’d probably be best trying to call the Avengers and seeing if they could contact him.
@@HALLish-jl5mowhen you realize the concepts implemented on marvel cosmos you will realize how complex gods are in marvel.
@@HALLish-jl5moMost of the stuff the Gods do in Marvel disobeys the laws of physics. I don't see how physics can explain how they hear prayers across the universe, create afterlives where people specifically from their faith get to go, or create worlds out of nothing. Magic and science are very distinct in Marvel. Unlike characters like Hulk who have a sci-fi explanation for their immense powers, the Gods in Marvel have no explanation for their powers except magic. That is one of the things that separates them from the category of super advanced beings.
As for prayers, it would indeed be more effective than phone calls because Thor hears prayers across the universe and is often dealing with other matters on another planet or dimension, so trying to contact him with a phone call or by the Avengers is just a waste of time at that point.
@@romansionis2470 Yeah, but if they were real, then by definition they'd obey the laws of physics.
We'd need to bin most of our current understanding of physics, but that doesn't mean it's not physics. Until a century ago the sun didn't obey known laws of physics, not it does because physics has advanced.
Magic and science can only be distinct in fiction. In reality, science covers EVERYTHING. It may not be able to explain it yet, but it covers it. If somebody started levitating tomorrow they'd be in a physics lab the following day and we'd be throwing out Newtonian mechanics by Friday.
If god's can hear prayers, one of the first questions asked would be if they hear with a speed of light delay. If not, causality is getting an update...
Magic, conceptually, can't exist. It's just physics to people to ignorant to understand.
Asgard & olympus legit went to war with heaven....wait..maybe that a different comic series
Yes it’s a different comic, and I think I know which one you’re talking about. It pisses a lot of people off. The Hindu gods also get wrecked by the Norse gods and it does Shiva, Vishnu, and Brahma dirty. Totally doesn’t get Hindu mythology. The Aztec gods try to roll up on the Egyptian gods and get ROFL stomped. Satan ends up helping the Greek and Norse gods kill the Judeo Christian Islamic God. There’s a side story where humans biologically become gods through science experiments with the body of a recently Mjolnired Shiva.
It’s wild and all over the place.
and they got absolutely annihilated if I remember correctly
Different one
Different heaven
Different Heaven.
I like this, give more humanity to the characters and gives thoughtful questions; they hit deep but wholesome none the less.
This is truly beautiful. Got to love the heart in Marvel’s stories
The fact that the Thorite religion is only a thing in the 2099 universe and not in the main 616 universe baffles me. The Asatru god of thunder literally walks the Earth and saves people’s lives regularly. Jesus, on the other hand, is absent and uninvolved. Shouldn’t the god of a specific religion walking the earth in the open be a draw to that religion? The Thorite religion should be a fast growing religion in the 616 universe and the Thunderstrike mace should be one of their most holy relics.
It could be that since he makes regular appearances Thor becomes "mundane" and just a part of regular everyday life.
People just get used to him essentially.
There is a church of Thor in 616, you can assume that that is what turned into the Thorites in the 2099 timeline.
The Thorite religion in 2099 is depicted as a cult. As people who believe the "age of heroes" will come back, and when Spider-Man finally returns, they take it as a sign.
In 616 Marvel, Thor still hears the prayers of people who pray to him.
Thr answer was once shown in an early comic of ff4, Stan Lee and Jack Kirby
I like how this comic humanizes Thor, he just seeks for the meaning of his existence and life as everyone else, Thor (from Marvel and from the Mithology) is known for always pass his time with the mortals, he likes to talk, help, and have fun with normal people, so, putting the Norse God at the same level of an human, actually not one, ALL humans, truly homages the character
Thor is full of very very very good stories in Marvel, you just need to seek for yourself and find, I am not lying when I say that after Spider-Man, and FF, Thor must have the best arcs/stories at Marvel
As someone going trhu a spiritual crisis, among others, This is one of my favorite issues prior to the Ragnarok Storyline. It's a beautiful issue, and makes me tear up, but it will always remain a favorite.
My god, that’s so good!
A few days ago I got a feature from a Superman comic where he talked a woman out of suicide. Guess now stuff like this is in my algorithm. Good. Never knew Thor comics got this heavy. I was really touched at how maturely the writer handled this topic.
That was really good. Thank you! 😊
Wish we had this Thor in the MCU. Especially with Love and Thunder incorporating the premise of deities walking amongst mortals, faith being tested, and learning to let go before passing on to the afterlife.
I love the comics version of Thor. A Warrior Poet, as wise as he is mighty.
Ironically, that version was witnessed in The Dark World, which was supposedly "the worst one".
That was beautiful.
This is pretty wholesome
I've not kept up with comics nearly as much as I would have liked. Reading this actually pout a tear in my eye, an interesting concept with a beautiful ending. I kinda needed this.
I find it amazing that comic books can give a clearer and more comprehensive answer to the questions of existence with a statement of "I don't know" than many who yell loudly they know the answer.
Perhaps sometimes the question is more important than the answer.
very beautiful video
The Second Commandment of the Ten Commandments is "Thou shalt have no OTHER GODS before me." The Old Testament even talks about other gods in other cultures. So, there's really no reason for a priest to lose faith in HIS God, even if it is confirmed the Norse Patheon exists. The Norse, Greek, Aztec, Egyptian, or Roman pantheon existing doesn't negate the existence of the Christian God. Christians can even acknowledge they exist without violating the Commandment. Christians just can't put them before the Christian God. You'd think a priest would have a better grasp of his own religious text, and not so easily lose faith.
It's not as simple as you make it out to be. Keep in mind, in our world, even though many religions claim they are the real ones, they still haven't shown that their deities exist in a objective manner. And so, if one day we suddenly encounter a being that resembles, say, Huixilopotli, obviously, people would have a lot of questions
@@user-wo7ql7or3gor let’s say we see ra and other ancient godlike creatures running around but no sight of the Christian god and the other gods all confirm that he is not real🤣🤣🤣🤣maaaannnnn the Christian’s would lose they minds lol
@@fitzroy6970 pretty much, yeah
I'd imagine it's difficult to keep faith in a deity who _seems_ to be perpetually negligent of his worshippers, let alone his creation, when forcibly and directly compared to the pagan god who just physically appeared in the middle of Times Square and beat back a literal demon with a hammer. Maybe the second commandment demands keeping Christ and Yahweh first, but that inevitably beggars the question: to what end? A promise of a heaven no one has firsthand accounts of? A threat of eternal damnation that never gets seen?
God sticks us in a material world, with material rewards, punishments, and consequences, and then judges us for not following spiritual laws over our lifetime. It's like scheduling your child for the most important test of their life in several weeks, then setting them to study in a crackhouse.
@@PeterDivine This is why trying to put different mythologies in one world and make them all to be true is a very hard writting task.
philosophy of the story, questioning the ideals of the character and the poetry of the ending. this is peak of a storytelling from marvel
I love when comic books slow down and tell stories like this. There are so many stories that explore the super side of heros but its something special to really showcase the man or woman under the cape.
Ngl this is really cool
Thor has no answers, thor has a hammer.
the quality of the art in this is amazing. this isn't comic book are so much as its fine art
Marvel already provided an answer for this, elder gods like Thor aren't the true creative force behind the universe. They may have affected the result but they didn't initiate it or cause the process. Individuals like Thor are probably analogous to the ascended from stargate. The classical gods are descendants of the first sentients of this planet some of whom ascended to a higher form in order to avoid degenerating into demons. This process probably repeated on countless other worlds in order to produce their own pantheons.
I like stories like these. The ones that show a side of your favourite heroes that you don't really see all that much. It's pretty easy to think of Thor like nothing more than a musclebound oaf. A Valhallan Surfer Boi. But, there's so much more to him than that.
Thanks for sharing!
...If only the art style was better. Like, a whole lot better. OOF.
But it’s drawn so gritty and well. What’s the problem with it?
I don’t see a problem with the art style here?? It’s meant to be gritty to match the tone of the story
The Actual answer is that the Priest would go to Hel/Helhiem according to Norse mythology. He didn't die in Battle so he wouldn't go to Vallalah. The good news is Norse Hel is different then Christian Hell which eternal suffering. Norse Hel is a decent place for the dead can rest while Hel the Goddess of the dead would take care of you if you lived an Decent life. But if you were an Asshole in life, She would feed you to Garm the Hound of Hel or cast you down with the Wyrm dragons below.
I honestly adore these kinds of stories told then a lot of the ones about saving the world and one punching the creator of everything.
A hero isn’t always about literally saving lives, they can be icons of individualism, hope, connection. It’s why spider-man is so loved after all, he relates and he struggles. Lives don’t need to be threatened to be saved, they can just be confused, or misguided. And who knows, maybe the victim themselves can also save the hero in return.
There’s so much story that can be uncovered from having protectors know exactly who they are protecting and vice versa.
This isn’t the first time Thor has wrestled with his divinity in the modern world. There was a story in the 80s when a group of Thor cultists started following Thor around and worshipping him which made Thor uncomfortable. But the Thor cult really ticked off a Christian divinity student who of course discovers a magic sword and suit of armor. He gains super strength from the outfit, calls himself Crusader, and tries to kill the Pagan god Thor in front of the Thor cult. The Crusader is full of religious zeal while Thor is uneasy hearing the prayers of his cultists. Crusader almost kills Thor running his sword through him. Sif takes Thor to Asgard to get healed and get advice from Odin. In the rematch Crusaders faith falters when he sees Thor (who he thought he killed) return without a scratch and Thor defeats him. Thor then tells his cult that he’s not a god worthy of worship and points them towards a church “of the new god”
The best part is that Thor and the Asgardians are just small gods. The are things more powerful than them. If humans think something like Thor is a god, then what of Galactus? Or the Phoenix? Or The Beyonder? Or the Living Tribunal? Or even The One-Above-All?
The one above all is kinda the god he worships in a sense.
@@ace0719If you're talking about the priest, then no, the God he worships has nothing to do with The One Above All, nobody worships TOAA last I checked. And the Christian God falls in the skyfather category like Odin, Zeus etc and is completely different from TOAA.
@@romansionis2470Christian God is above all the gods though. Including TOAA
@@carlbloke8797 There isn't anything above TOAA. Try to keep real life fairytales separate from comics.
@@carlbloke8797marvel does not follow the Bible about what god is important.
Only a handful of beings have seen the one above all, the one in marvel that could be called God, like what he stepped in to give Parker a pep talk at his lowest point
As a born again believer, I know where I shall go when I die. But the answer to the question as to why am I here, and what am I to do? I already have at least one answer. I AM HERE BECAUSE I CHOOSE TO BE HERE.
This is one of the greatest comic strips I have ever seen
When I compare Thor in this comic to how Odin was with Iron Man, it makes me think that this might be why Odin acts so distant with mortals. While he is a god, Thor is young and brash, yet he still cares about mortals deeply, that is why he fights as a superhero. Odin is wisened by time and immense cosmic power, why should he care when he has 9 realms of existence to maintain, there are others who can handle the petty affairs of mortals. This is also where I see the flaws of Odin however, as he brushes off these concerns to focus on the grander scheme, but Thor doesn’t. He is a fighter, who wants to be right there in the action. As a result, he interacts with and grown to understand mortals in a way his father can’t from atop his throne, even with his cosmic power. So, when he inevitably takes up the throne after his father, while he will also have to see things in a larger light, he will have a more sympathetic outlook towards mortals.
Thor writer tries to go deep with this one , but it seems to pass over in the comment section.
i really like this side of Thor
Good thing he didnt know that the olympians do very much exist!
why they should be confused?
the devil exist and also angels so also god
if really why atheist exist in comics
For the most part the regular ass human never sees either of thoose. And when they do they die, because comonly demons come first and the angel either takes them to the afterlife or destroys the possesed human. In Marvel and DC it hapoens like that. So yeah they only see the "pagans" gods walk among them but never what is closer to their belif.
@@AugustoEL higly x that they never saw since you know
GHOST RIDER EXIST also vampires ecc... and at this point it would be well know thanks to internet ecc...
Yeah, Demons and Angels exist. So does Thor, a Norse God. And Khonshu, an Egyptian God.
Marvel’s religious interactions are a fucking nightmare for the average man. I wouldn’t be shocked if the most common stance is agnosticism, specifically a stance of “I have no fucking clue what’s going on, and I don’t think the Gods do either.”
@@dontknowdontknow9769 Eeeh... Ghost rider maybe. But the vampires prove jack shit, lots of cultures had blood sucking monsters. Also yes and no, as I said weirdly a regular ass human gets to be in the middle of thoose level threats and walk off alive
@@AugustoEL yes but in marvel cases are vampire like dracula so
A nice story, but the question really boils down to: Who made it all, and how does that being relate to the priest's faith? The answer, if you follow the Marvel canon, is The One Above All, who is about as close as one can get to the Creator God of most religions. ='[.]'=
And this is why we need a goddess of contradictions, let's name her Mary Sue.
@miguelatkinson True but not many characters in marvel comics actually know who the one above all is. So I doubt a normal person in marvel would know that the one above all exist.
@@justafan6000they do. They just know him/ them/ (insert appropriate pronoun here) as the god of their chosen faith. I think…
Cheers,
@Wolf359inc Maybe you’re right, I just meant that they just don’t know about the actual character.
There is a Christian God in Marvel, and he's a skyfather like Odin, Zeus etc. The One Above All is a different character altogether. So the being who made it all, doesn't have much to do with the priest's faith.
The, THEOLOGICAL, Universe has no obligations to make sense to you.
Then I have no obligation to even entertain the notion that it's real.
Every sunrise is a blessing and every day a gift. We are not promised tomorrow.
Very well done. Thoughtful and respectful, not just of Christian faith (or faith in general), but of the issues that faith deals with-life's purpose, meaning and character we can choose to develop, regret, forgiveness-which Thor has to deal with as well.
Now if only christians extended even a fraction of that courtesy back towards others... 😒
@RuSosan Like Christians haven't done that at all
@@OkPe-ww5rs
They sure haven't, aye.
@@RuSosan Yes, yes we have. Hospitals, charities, Christians being one of if not having the highest adoption rates, etc...
@@OkPe-ww5rs
Hospitals? Don't make me laugh.
You folks (violently) held back science, including medical science for centuries (you still do actually, by opposing a lot of new research, denying women their rights to their own bodies and by perpetuating BS faith healing), and the pittances you throw at hospitals for PR purposes are completely outweighed by all the physical and mental violence your faith perpetuates.
Charities? Again, don't make me laugh.
For your types it's a paid tool for spreading misinformation _at best,_ with so many strings attached one could fish their entire life with one, lol.
And oh yeah, so "charitable" with them corpo megachurches, rampant corruption, old wealth from slave trading and various invasions around the globe, tax-dodging and don't even get me started on how the Catholic upper eschelons live in frigging castles and scoff at any car below the 250k price mark while people around the globe starve.
Adoption? Ohohohoooo yes you people have _such_ a good track record with brainwashing children into your beliefs.
Or literally throwing them out into the street when they're LGBTQ or don't conform.
That's *the* way your faith has *stolen* the presence and relevance it still has today: Generational enforcement.
It sure isn't your intrusive street preachers, billboards, ads and other marketing drivel convincing anyone.
You just gaslight your children and propagandize their freedom of choice away from them, and oooh boy are your priests _very_ eager to _get close_ to little boys and girls in their care.
Oh wait sorry, the girls go to the nuns who _only_ shame all joy of life from the girls.
There aren't enough trees in the world to produce enough paper to list all the misdeeds of abrahamic religions.
If you're a good person, you are one _despite_ your faith. Or rather against it, as one can figure out by just reading the "holy" book.
Whichever one of the "one truths" it is you follow.
Isn't God known as the one above all in the marvel universe
No, he’s not God. He’s compared to God because he’s similarly a being of absolute power, but he’s not the Yahweh of the Bible.
@@BLANK-pr5qs He is who is. Of course He is above fictional realities and fantasies that were shown in some comics. So the one that you are calling God of Marvel, for example, isn't Him for definition and because he depends on the real One
@shin-oni4223 In the marvel the one above all is pretty much God, but not a lot of characters actually know about about it. Only a handful of Marvels characters actually know about it so I doubt a normal person in marvel would actually know about it.
No, the Christian God and The One Above All are completely different characters in Marvel. Though both are referred to as "God" at times, they're still separate beings. The Christian God is a skyfather like Odin, Zeus etc in Marvel.
@@BLANK-pr5qsHe's not just compared to God but is literally considered to be the God of everything in Marvel, but yeah he's not Yahweh as Yahweh exists as a separate character in Marvel.
Very good , great way to start off lent, thank you for this post.
I understand at their heart, superhero comics are about escapism. But my favorite stories are like this one. Where they take something so simple and also so complex, but at the same time something we really see in our lives. This is also why I love Superman.
It's a bit of a poor presentation... After all, apart from Thor, there are: Demons, angels, elves, magic and whole worlds beyond Earth. And only Thor was shown?? After all, people saw the great Galactus in heaven and could ask questions: What is my faith in all this? Thor is nothing in comparison.
Honestly, if I lived in the Marvel universe I think my religious stance would be a confused shrug. Just no clue what is and isn’t true about religion, and I’d probably give up trying to figure out.
As if I lived in such a world full of miracles. My faith was the Tao. Everything is part of something else. And that was the closest thing to a picture of the world.
Galactus in Heaven ?
Not sure when Galactus went to heaven, but last I checked the people only know him for attempting to eat the planet, makes sense for them to not worship him despite his powers and instead worshipping Thor as he regularly helps the planet and is known to be a God from one of the many religions on Earth.
And Thor wasn't the only one shown, many other Gods, demons, angels etc were shown, people simply worship who they prefer. The God and angels from Christianity also exist alongside the Norse, Greek and other pantheons and they're all in the same category in Marvel.
Thor should have given him a t-shirt with the famous meme "your god was nailed to a cross and my god has a big hammer" and call it a day 😆!
Also Thor should wear a shirt saying only “go woke go broke” and “there are only two genders” and thunder strike you and call it a day. 😂!
@@TotalFataliesbait used to be believable 🚬
@@TotalFatalies Wow bro you got the whole squad laughing 😐
@@TotalFataliesDamn, if that's you trying to be funny, then I feel sorry for your friends.
I really like this styling of comic. It is very appropriate for the subject.
Really enjoyed this
Well, the author skipped the obvious answer - which then leads to difficult questions about DC universe Christianity. Thor is a powerful being of the universe that lives among a group that calls themselves gods. Maybe the old Earth Vikings even worshipped them once upon a time. But he is not a god that creates life, creatures, or universes. There are gods, and then their is God.
No the priest mentioned that. Encountering Thor made him question everything. Is Jesus even real? A liar? or was he an alien like Thor? (Hell, there are religions IRL that try proclaiming God, Jesus, etc were aliens so its not too hard to believe a priest encountering one, especially one named after a known God, to start doubting himself.)
Pretty sure an old All father thor created life in an alternate future in the Gorr the god butcher story. That future didn’t come true but it did show what he could do
They don't just call themselves gods, they're literally confirmed to be Gods in Marvel. This version of Thor may not be the one creating life, but Odin can indeed create life, creatures, universes etc. Thor after becoming the All Father can also do the same. The Christian God is a skyfather level character in Marvel and hence falls in the same category as Odin, Zeus etc
It's funny to think how much this version of Thor is influenced by our modern sensibilities. Greek and Norse mythology were about jackass gods randomly terrorizing us without giving a single shit. OG Thor would have flattened that priest for the lulz and then had an orgy with various animals.
A nice interaction between two belief systems that fought with each other
That's a great story, the small moments often turn out to be some of the biggest moments.