I got you Rob, from one old comic head to another. During World Breaker Hulk when Johny Blaze fought the Hulk he got slapped around even worse then this Ghost Rider. It was only after he got knocked out and The Spirit of Vengance completely took over was when he was capable (according to Dr Strange who was watching/narrating the fight) of possibly stopping the Hulk, problem was that when the Spirit of Venegance looked at the Hulk and saw that man deserved his vengance, he just drove off without fighting him.
Zarathos walking away from that fight with WB Hulk is one of the most ridiculous examples of plot contrivance I can recall. It totally ruined the entire storyline because it made zero sense.
Video title: Marvels new Ghost rider HUMBLES hulk The first sentence of the video: “The Incredible Hulk absolutely dominates Ghost Rider in this video”
I mean the Hulk as always had a horror like element to him (a Jekyll/Hyde, Werewolf, Frankenstein’s Monster vibe) they have just been leaning into it a lot more every since Immortal Hulk
The original Hulk, like Jekyll/Hyde -- and unlike werewolf stories -- was more 'science fiction'. Lately, in recent years, the Hulk has stepped heavily into 'supernatural' -- more like werewolf stories. I liked this story because it returned to a, classic 'wandering Banner encounters trouble' framework, but I'm not sure I"m crazy about how the stories lean so heavily into the supernatural all the time. Seems like letting 'magic' and the 'supernatural' be the reason for everything is just a laziness on the writers because they never have to really explain or rationalize it.
@@melmartinez7002 well I’d slightly disagree there, originally back in the first 2 issues of the Hulk Banner would only transform at night he could not become the Hulk until the sun went down and the moon came up so that’s more supernatural than science fiction though I’d say there is a happy medium in that the creation was very much science fiction but the rules originally surrounding it leaned more into supernatural. That then changed from issue 3 onwards so the concept originally seemed to lean more into supernatural werewolf like side of storytelling but was changed early on to be more Jekyll and Hyde.
@@Wezt334 Well, except one could easily accept a science fiction premise of 'sunlight (solar radiation) suppresses the transformation'. No magic required.
It was the reverse. Hulk holding back was dominating Johnny to the point Zerathos stepped in and left cause it sided with Hulk. Johnny did put up a slightly better fight but again Hulk wasn't goin all out and he still knocked Johnny out.
Yeah, they be trying to make my man Hulk look like a slouch sometimes. They forget he is the strongest their is. Literally and figuratively. Let us not forget the "One below all" story and how the hulk ties in.
@@Saito232005 Ikr!? Infact to add to your point even pre retconned Beyonder compared the Hulk's true power to himself and last I checked pre retconned him had power beyond infinite. The guy threatened Marvel with just a headache he was so powerful
Hulk had a similar transformation WAAAAAAY back in the 90s during the tail end of the gray hulk run. It was the first time he had changed into the green hulk in a long time and he literally transformed just like this.
Idk how you misremember that fight so hard, but Hulk LITERALLY toyed with Johnny blaze and the one solid hit knocked Johnny out so Zarathos came out and left due to judging Hulk guilt free. Also Zarathos is not a demonic entity but an angel. Like as you said you have a video about it, should watch it…
@@SpiralDemonic So if muhamed ali smashes my fucking teeth in and I lay on the ground like a wet fucking noodle then its a draw becouse I said so? And you are acting like its not a common fucking ocourance of people getting beaten say "alright, lets call it a draw" as a joke or banter....
8:02 Wait Ghost Rider dominated WWH? when did that happen, all I remember was WWH didn't wanna fight Ghost Rider, Ghost rider tried dropped a bunch of building on hulk (didn't even hurt hulk). Hulk came out of the rumble and grab Ghost Rider trying to calm him down, and then Ghost Rider try to drag hulk out of the city (Hulk tricks GR and ties his chain to a subway) and then Hulk beat him down so badly with 1 Stomp that Ghost Rider (Johnny) was knocked out, and Zarathos had to take over and once Zarathos took over he realize instantly (they stop fighting) Hulk was a innocent and ran though the US Government's Tanks. I'm pretty sure someone completely forgot the fight.
comics explained tends to mistake world WAR hulk for world Breaker hulk. world war hulk knocked johnny blaze out cold. thats when zarathos appeared and they both went to their seperate ways
@@SpikeTheWolf becoming world breaker is a transformation not a persona so it should be accessible to basically any persona, just depends on how angry the hulk is.
Speaking of different Riders....where has Vengeance been?! As a kid, I just about busted one when he was revealed in the "Spirits of Vengeance " run. Ahhhh, those were the days...
Ghost rider didn't dominate hulk in wwh and hulk didn't dominate this ghost rider just smashed his bike which repaired itself straight away I think you should rethink what dominating really is
Exactly, the only thing I can stomach by Cates is his Venom run; dude has zero respect for character history and what's cannon in any character he has ever touched (he's like a malignant cancer on the ground work of others).
The Ghostriders remind me of the Hellspawns. Both even use chains. I was a fan of ghost rider when image started and immediately spawn became my favorite because he was so much like johnny blaze, but even more hardcore.
@Comics Explained, t's an awesome way to think about the Hulk and Banner's relationship really. I like the fact it has elements of horror. It reminds me of the new Godzilla Minus One movie in that reguad. (Sorry for the spoiler). Can't wait for your next instalment Rob!
Two points are off. WWH dominated that fight and when Zaratos came out he simply left. Secondly I believe this rider could be more powerful than the other three riders you spoke of in base simply because of the level of power Hulk is presently at and the fact that it’s a rider without a human host
@@kyleking8833 I know he’s strong, but Ghost Riders are strongest when the actual Spirit of Vengeance is in control because their human hosts normally holds them back, but this rider has no host and should be more powerful typically. Plus Hulk took out Robbie with one attack while he was jumping him with the Avengers
my guy your missing the main point. This is a brand new ghost rider so even you cant be sure he isnt the strongest just quite yet my dude.@@kyleking8833
World War Hulk | Ghost Rider played out differently than you remember. There was an issue with the Johnny Blaze-Zarathos synergy and it felt like both of them were fighting for control. So Johnny was the one controlling Ghost Rider, and he was failing miserably. It wasn't until Johnny got knocked out that Zarathos took over. Ghost Rider set off a huge fireball which engulfed a lot of city blocks, but after a brief staredown with the Hulk, he just left. Then I remember Dr. Strange stating that the Ghost Rider's role is to protect the innocent; then as the panel highlights the different members of the Illuminati, Dr. Strange proclaims that they were not innocent.
Rob... I know you haven't read the WWH story lines and the spin-offs from it recently. But please go read them again. Especially when Green Scar Hulk battles GR. Yes, it was Green Scar, not WBH. WBH doesn't manifest until the end of WWH when Rick Jones gets stabbed by Meik. And no GR did not dominate Green Scar Hulk. It was pretty much a stale mate until GR realized the Hulk was an innocent and let him be. So please know the storyline beforehand.
@SpikeTheWolf Rob said it was WBH. Green Scar/WBH are entirely different power levels compared to WBH. I believe it was just a spin-off of a Ghoat rider comic.
main series at the time. It was a tie-in to World War Hulk. Johnny wasn't fighting at full power because Zarathos wouldn't let him access it, because the lives of the people in NYC meant nothing compared to the lives of everyone else in the world, which were at risk due to some demon they were hunting. Once Johnny was KO'd, Zarathos could have one shotted Hulk since he was already there, but the Illuminati deserved Hulk's wrath, they were not innocent in the slightest. and since Hulk hadn't killed anyone innocent while making his statement, no reason for GR to stick around.@@PaleRider86
@Atalas5 Don't know about one shot, man. Hulk was not going to be denied. I agree that if it was Zarathous was in control, things might have been different. But Hulk at that time was a whole different animal.
at that time Hulk didn't have the whole One Below All stuff attached to him. He was incredibly powerful, but at that time Ghost Rider was (and still is) one of the heaviest hitters not on the side of evil.@@PaleRider86
Still some how after 10 years people don’t know the that world war hulk is a persona (green scar) worldbreaker is a title of rage… only 2 people fought worldbreaker hulk and no one else. Skarr and Betty. No one else has fought that hulk… idk why it’s so hard to understand
I could’ve sworn that before Johnny Blaze the last Rider was a cowboy, kinda like Sam Elliot’s Caretaker from the movie. Mephisto didn’t always have one, it had been years and years in between Riders
This version of Hulk has also told Banner that there's a limited amount of transformations left and at some point a transformation to Hulk will be the END and there will be no Banner He hasn't forgiven Banner for 'Starship Hulk' and all that mess. There's SO much more going on here, Rob. You're not doing the series justice :D
Hulk vs Ghost Rider fights always end in a stalemate if i remember correctly. Zarathos can't do anything to the Hulk because Penace Stare doesn't work on him and if it did Hulk would just regenerate. And Hulk doesn't fight Ghost Rider because his conflicts doesn't have nothing to do with him and views Ghost Rider as a nuisance.
Whoa whoa whoa, Ghost rider did NOT dominate WW Hulk. He threw everything and the kitchen sink AND a building on Hulk and it did nothing to stop him, and Ghost Rider took off and left. Don't gas Ghost Rider like that. Its not Cosmic Ghost Rider.
Theres something really special about this book; it gives me goosebumps the way Ghost Rider: Trail of Tears did. I might have to pick this one up. Thanks for sharing!
Well first, Ghost Rider did not dominate WWHulk. He got slapped around, then THE Ghost Rider took over, and blasted up as the Hulk shrugged it off. Then the Ghost Rider realized Hulk wasn’t the “evil one” so he left. We never saw a fight between the Ghost Rider persona in control and WWHulk. Second, Banner wasn’t looking through the Hulk’s eyes, he had a probe following Hulk so he could see exactly what happened when the Hulk was in control.
So Titan hulk gone, Hulk is mysteriously back with no explanation, and despite meeting and being empowered by the One Below All who is actually the One above all...he's susceptible to demonic possession or something? I guess it's still better than how Marvel treats the Sentry continuity?
Hulk is one of my favorite characters, second to Spider-Man, and I love it when he is "The Man" just the strongest guy there that can overpower everyone, especially when he is portrayed as a child, or abused spirit that can overcome anyone and anything with his anger. I believe that Hulk will get stronger than the others later down the years, because I do believe that people like Thor, especially with his new powers of the Thor Force and other things, and Hercules, and Zues, and Odin, and Galactus, and the Phenox, and others like Nightmare and Dormammu, and Maphesto and the new overpowered Future Luke Cage, Silver Surfer and demons and devils and others, are stronger than Hulk, but at least for now. I believe that Hulk will surpass them all, especially with Hulk going to go up against Eldest and The Mother of Horrors.
@user-yy3rp8zx6t I meant the Future Luke Cage from the Timless issue who has the powers of Hulk, Sentry, Iron Fist, and who fought the Immortal Moon Knight and Khonshu.
This Hulk has defeated a force that rivaled The One Above All and killed a monster with one punch that had the Nexus of All Reality scared and both are more powerful than everyone you mentioned above
I really liked the Immortal Hulk run because of the horror element and how grounded it felt. This dials the horror up even more. I'm loving it. I'm excited to see where it goes.
The weirdest Ghost Rider remains Cadavre, a skull-headed scamp who hails from a comic strip and cartoon made by Charles Strobb - they guy who invented Candle Cove and Local 58. Cadavre was originally a "straight" comic strip that featured as an occasional in-world newspaper comic in a long-abandoned webcomic project. He was most recently seen in the latest Local 58 video as the star of the "Cartoon for Children".
One punch and it didnt even do anything to the rider. Read the issue. Hulk crushed a runaway demon. Rider dint even concern himself much. Plus DH just came back and that wasnt just hulk
I love this run. It is my favorite hulk I have read. I need to do more but this has been pure fun. And I can not love the art more. This is my favorite looking Hulk.
omfg I love that line from the hulk: 'shoot at me one more time, and being dead won't save you.' only the hulk would say that man. OK holy shit, it's a very small detail. But the spikes protruding from the hollow eye socks of those three dead horses in the end. THAT is am amazing artistic description. Looks fucking cool as hell.
Check out how Green Hulk used to manifest around Incredible Hulk 370 to 380 (if my memory holds). Even how Banner is in the mindscape will look familiar. But damn this art looks good.
Spawn... Dark Ages was my favorite Alt... So seeing a new Ghost Rider Alt - awesome!!! Like this wouldn't be gold? Its spirit! A Dark spirit... Which is why Ghost Rider is involved, which its that flip of different powers that the writer is twisting - Ghost Rider was not matching vs Hulk because the Hulk isn't evil... But we we're told the Rider was triggered by the other guy - not the Hulk! Which the Rider will be returning to even the odds - I hope! I want to see more of THOSE fights plus the Hulk!
It was at worst a standstill in WWH between Johnny and Hulk and it ended without a solid answer. It took the actual Rider waking up to really challenge Hulk and in waking judged and left him in peace knowing his wrath was righteous.
6:33 - Johnny Blaze wasn't bonded to Mephisto - He was bonded to Zarathos, ostensibly *by* Mephisto. ... it's a big difference, as it's why OG Ghost Rider was frequently out of control - Mephisto would Not have been.
If anything, this is back to the desire of the Hulk to separate from Banner. It's been done once before when Doom 'cut out' the Banner parts of Hulk. Doom cloned Banner and TADA..we had Hulk and Banner in two different bodies.
WW Hulk isn’t his strongest either , heart of the monster , and one other I can’t recall right now are way stronger not to mention immortal Hulk literally becoming planet size to solo planets in one punch. WWH is like SSJ1 Goku , there are definitely more powerful forms but that’s the first “serious” one
Bruce had it coming when it came to the transformation, especially after Starship Hulk. Hulk just wants to live peacefully and away from anyone he can hurt when he snaps, but bruce either wants to use him or be rid of him.
Looks like they decided to go back to the body horror of immortal Hulk. I don't think we'll see more red door or green door stuff for a while, unless they tie the red door to hell. Which, would make sense. If they made it so that the one below all was more closely tied to hell than the material plane. Thus, the closer to the one below all the Hulk gets, the stronger he becomes, but also more destructive like the titan hulk.
Honestly I think the last hulk run was way cooler. Starship hulk was a cool concept and I liked what they did with that version of the titan hulk. Now it just feels like they’re back tracking on hulk’s and banner’s character.
Oh you mean as opposed to Starship Hulk forgetting and ignoring the whole conclusion of Immortal Hulk? This new Hulk actually adds and follow the ramifications of the previous run…
I have a very limited knowledge of Ghost Rider. When I was a kid in the late 80s/early 90s, I remember the Danny Ketch run the most. I wasn’t even aware of Johnny Blaze back then. But Ghost Rider seemed pretty mature for my little 11-year old brain at the time. I bought the first six or seven issues of the Danny Ketch Ghost Rider, then ended up moving away and then discovering Image. Well, I’m a huge sci fi fan as an adult, especially of the pulp style, and when I happened to see this Cosmic Ghost Rider character, I thought, “Oh, cool! Sci fi Ghost Rider! What? He’s Frank Castle? He was the right hand of Thanos?! He was Galactus’ Herald? Whaaaat?” So I bought a trade paperback of Cosmic Ghost Rider and I was disappointed hard core. It was almost like a comedy. It didn’t seem to fit right for me. Granted, I was an Image kid who morphed into a DC-mostly adult fan, so my knowledge of the Punisher was/is limited. But I don’t remember The Punisher ever being goofy and cracking jokes like Deadpool. Yet that is what it was. I was expecting this dark, twisted, mature sci fi superhero book, but ended up with goofy Deadpool in space. That’s a lot of hemming and hawing to ask, was he always supposed to be a jokester? It seems like such a huge personality change. Cosmic Ghost Rider has by far one of the coolest designs I’ve ever seen and he’s being wasted as a less-funny Deadpool.
Love you Rob, but someone needs to call you out for the blatant lies/misinterpretations of the comics that you’re explaining. Ghost Rider DID NOT dominate the Hulk here and he didn’t dominate him in World War Hulk either 🤦🏾♂️
Correct me if im wrong but hasn't johnny blaze as the Ghost Rider beaten Hulk before? This was way back when Johnny actually became the Ghost Rider and long before the Zarathos personality started to emerge in 80's. I saw a few comic book scans back then but johnny using his hellfire, created like a hellfire cyclone around the hulk that removed all the air from around him, to stop him getting any air and then collapsed and he did this without Zarathos.
I know this is off topic but I just found out that in a predator story the creature managed to get trophies from Batman,Cyclops,Wolverine,Etrican,Magneto and two other people this matriarch was the Boss.
If I remember correctly neither Johnny blaze or hulk were dominating each other. It was just them getting back up fro each others attacks, but seeing that Johnny was struggling zerathos steps up and deems hulk not guilty and leaves since he has no reason to fight someone who’s not guilty
I’m of the camp that an unleashed/unbounded GR could take WW hulk. (idk about all hulk iterations tho), and the only reason he didn’t was he sided with hulk which I think most of us can agree that the writer was implying as much. Now where yall can debate me on theory/head canon is if Johnny Blaze was really that weak and couldn’t put up a better fight cuz I THINK Johnny was basically internally fighting with Zarathos and wasn’t getting his help/grace aka this was a weaker-than-base ghost rider. We’ve seen instances where Johnny Blaze is still in control of GR and still pulls off crazy feats cuz Zarathos and Johnny are working together and their goals are adjacent/in line. I think that he was severely nerfed because not only was hulks vengeance just but this version was especially NOT-wicked, Hulk was going easy on people and was consistently fucked over, going after only people who deserved it and heroic in this arc. The spirit of Vengeance has no beef with people like that.
Maybe made the mistake of reading the comments before the vid finishes... GR vs WWH happened before any relation to 'One Below all " was a notion. Hulk has no tie to heaven and hell in the writers mind at this time. Yes, Hulk beat Johnny. Yes, Zarathos, took over and found Hulk not guilty, but if he had: Hulk gets stronger as he gets madder, but at that time, GR was the vengence of God. Whomever he faced off against, his power scaled up. He was as strong as necessary to take out whatever needed. The point is: At THIS time, HULK is the plot device, But at THAT time, It was GR.
Wrong. Ghost Rider couldn't do anything to WW Hulk. Hulk was holding back the entire time. Even when Zarthos was unleashed in Johnny's Ghost Rider it did nothing to WWH, who throughout the entire event was pulling his punches. If the Hulk doesn't want to be stopped? Nothing can stop him. The Multiverse destroying Breaker of Worlds Hulk is proof of that in IMMORTAL HULK
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I got you Rob, from one old comic head to another. During World Breaker Hulk when Johny Blaze fought the Hulk he got slapped around even worse then this Ghost Rider. It was only after he got knocked out and The Spirit of Vengance completely took over was when he was capable (according to Dr Strange who was watching/narrating the fight) of possibly stopping the Hulk, problem was that when the Spirit of Venegance looked at the Hulk and saw that man deserved his vengance, he just drove off without fighting him.
I was about to say the same thing - Worldbreaker Hulk was dominating and beating Johnny Blaze. Blaze never dominated the Hulk during World War Hulk.
Zarathos walking away from that fight with WB Hulk is one of the most ridiculous examples of plot contrivance I can recall. It totally ruined the entire storyline because it made zero sense.
Comics are great stories for kids and teenagers . The artwork is awesome .as long the plot works .keep on trucking. @@melmartinez7002
@@melmartinez7002 Why would you expect a Spirit of Vengeance to want to stop a roaring rampage of revenge?
Nice job
Video title: Marvels new Ghost rider HUMBLES hulk
The first sentence of the video:
“The Incredible Hulk absolutely dominates Ghost Rider in this video”
Ikr
😂😂😂😂
yeahhh if you watch rob for years and years you realise he is decent don't get me wrong, but he fails a lot as well.... i miss benny
I mean the Hulk as always had a horror like element to him (a Jekyll/Hyde, Werewolf, Frankenstein’s Monster vibe) they have just been leaning into it a lot more every since Immortal Hulk
Don't even get me started on devil and immortal hulk. They are terrifying renditions. Also immortal abomination too.
The original Hulk, like Jekyll/Hyde -- and unlike werewolf stories -- was more 'science fiction'. Lately, in recent years, the Hulk has stepped heavily into 'supernatural' -- more like werewolf stories. I liked this story because it returned to a, classic 'wandering Banner encounters trouble' framework, but I'm not sure I"m crazy about how the stories lean so heavily into the supernatural all the time. Seems like letting 'magic' and the 'supernatural' be the reason for everything is just a laziness on the writers because they never have to really explain or rationalize it.
@@melmartinez7002 well I’d slightly disagree there, originally back in the first 2 issues of the Hulk Banner would only transform at night he could not become the Hulk until the sun went down and the moon came up so that’s more supernatural than science fiction though I’d say there is a happy medium in that the creation was very much science fiction but the rules originally surrounding it leaned more into supernatural. That then changed from issue 3 onwards so the concept originally seemed to lean more into supernatural werewolf like side of storytelling but was changed early on to be more Jekyll and Hyde.
@@Wezt334 Well, except one could easily accept a science fiction premise of 'sunlight (solar radiation) suppresses the transformation'. No magic required.
It was the reverse. Hulk holding back was dominating Johnny to the point Zerathos stepped in and left cause it sided with Hulk. Johnny did put up a slightly better fight but again Hulk wasn't goin all out and he still knocked Johnny out.
Yup
Yeah, they be trying to make my man Hulk look like a slouch sometimes. They forget he is the strongest their is. Literally and figuratively. Let us not forget the "One below all" story and how the hulk ties in.
@@Saito232005 Ikr!? Infact to add to your point even pre retconned Beyonder compared the Hulk's true power to himself and last I checked pre retconned him had power beyond infinite. The guy threatened Marvel with just a headache he was so powerful
Tbf, you see hulk getting kind of a worried face the moment Zarathos took control
Johnny wasn’t going all out not ghost rider
Hulk had a similar transformation WAAAAAAY back in the 90s during the tail end of the gray hulk run. It was the first time he had changed into the green hulk in a long time and he literally transformed just like this.
I’m a horror guy and I loved the depiction of Hulk emerging from within Banner. Very dark cool concept
Idk how you misremember that fight so hard, but Hulk LITERALLY toyed with Johnny blaze and the one solid hit knocked Johnny out so Zarathos came out and left due to judging Hulk guilt free.
Also Zarathos is not a demonic entity but an angel.
Like as you said you have a video about it, should watch it…
No, it was a stalemate actually
@@jacobharris954 What part of Johnny laying knocked out on the ground from a single real Hulk attack is a stalemate?
@@haylongwang3002 Wait what was that quote? ah "All right, we'll call it a draw"
@SpiralDemonic
Because nobody losing horribly has ever said "ok, lets call it a draw" to stop from getting destroyed.
Critical thinking is critical.
@@SpiralDemonic So if muhamed ali smashes my fucking teeth in and I lay on the ground like a wet fucking noodle then its a draw becouse I said so?
And you are acting like its not a common fucking ocourance of people getting beaten say "alright, lets call it a draw" as a joke or banter....
"helps him finish with his living" Rob, please. Never change
8:02 Wait Ghost Rider dominated WWH? when did that happen, all I remember was WWH didn't wanna fight Ghost Rider, Ghost rider tried dropped a bunch of building on hulk (didn't even hurt hulk). Hulk came out of the rumble and grab Ghost Rider trying to calm him down, and then Ghost Rider try to drag hulk out of the city (Hulk tricks GR and ties his chain to a subway) and then Hulk beat him down so badly with 1 Stomp that Ghost Rider (Johnny) was knocked out, and Zarathos had to take over and once Zarathos took over he realize instantly (they stop fighting) Hulk was a innocent and ran though the US Government's Tanks. I'm pretty sure someone completely forgot the fight.
Exactly. I had to go search for it and refresh myself his comment was so wrong. Granted he did say maybe he forgot.
comics explained tends to mistake world WAR hulk for world Breaker hulk. world war hulk knocked johnny blaze out cold. thats when zarathos appeared and they both went to their seperate ways
For whatever reasoning, Comics Explained is not accurate where WW Hulk and World Breaker Hulk is concerned.
Can any hulk personal be world breaker hulk or only wwh?
@@SpikeTheWolf becoming world breaker is a transformation not a persona so it should be accessible to basically any persona, just depends on how angry the hulk is.
Speaking of different Riders....where has Vengeance been?! As a kid, I just about busted one when he was revealed in the "Spirits of Vengeance " run. Ahhhh, those were the days...
Ghost rider didn't dominate hulk in wwh and hulk didn't dominate this ghost rider just smashed his bike which repaired itself straight away I think you should rethink what dominating really is
Helped him finish with all his living.
That cracks me up every single time.😂😂😂😂
I would love a Funko Pop of a WWII Ghost Rider.
I wish give my European Middle Ages ghost rider
Or Sparta ghost rider
I'm just glad the whole Titan Hulk stuff is behind us.
Exactly, the only thing I can stomach by Cates is his Venom run; dude has zero respect for character history and what's cannon in any character he has ever touched (he's like a malignant cancer on the ground work of others).
This takes place after that. Why u think hulk is so pissed with banner recently?
The Ghostriders remind me of the Hellspawns. Both even use chains. I was a fan of ghost rider when image started and immediately spawn became my favorite because he was so much like johnny blaze, but even more hardcore.
Same with me Ghost Rider is the only Marvel book I buy now but I have all the spawns
I was thinking the same thing when he was talking about the lineage of riders.
They're very similar, which is why I love them both.
@Comics Explained, t's an awesome way to think about the Hulk and Banner's relationship really. I like the fact it has elements of horror. It reminds me of the new Godzilla Minus One movie in that reguad. (Sorry for the spoiler). Can't wait for your next instalment Rob!
Two points are off. WWH dominated that fight and when Zaratos came out he simply left. Secondly I believe this rider could be more powerful than the other three riders you spoke of in base simply because of the level of power Hulk is presently at and the fact that it’s a rider without a human host
@@kyleking8833 I know he’s strong, but Ghost Riders are strongest when the actual Spirit of Vengeance is in control because their human hosts normally holds them back, but this rider has no host and should be more powerful typically. Plus Hulk took out Robbie with one attack while he was jumping him with the Avengers
You hulk fans just couldnt help yourselves. Smh.
my guy your missing the main point. This is a brand new ghost rider so even you cant be sure he isnt the strongest just quite yet my dude.@@kyleking8833
@@kyleking8833no Johnny is he’s literally the king of hell or was the king of hell
World War Hulk | Ghost Rider played out differently than you remember. There was an issue with the Johnny Blaze-Zarathos synergy and it felt like both of them were fighting for control. So Johnny was the one controlling Ghost Rider, and he was failing miserably. It wasn't until Johnny got knocked out that Zarathos took over. Ghost Rider set off a huge fireball which engulfed a lot of city blocks, but after a brief staredown with the Hulk, he just left. Then I remember Dr. Strange stating that the Ghost Rider's role is to protect the innocent; then as the panel highlights the different members of the Illuminati, Dr. Strange proclaims that they were not innocent.
I like how that ghost rider is dress in a ww2 US airbrone uniforme even with the 506th para-infantry ID mark on his helment.
Rob... I know you haven't read the WWH story lines and the spin-offs from it recently. But please go read them again. Especially when Green Scar Hulk battles GR. Yes, it was Green Scar, not WBH. WBH doesn't manifest until the end of WWH when Rick Jones gets stabbed by Meik. And no GR did not dominate Green Scar Hulk. It was pretty much a stale mate until GR realized the Hulk was an innocent and let him be. So please know the storyline beforehand.
I thought he covered those? Also is it green scar or wwh or is that the same title?
Are the spinoffs the one with ghost and xmen?
@SpikeTheWolf
Rob said it was WBH. Green Scar/WBH are entirely different power levels compared to WBH. I believe it was just a spin-off of a Ghoat rider comic.
main series at the time. It was a tie-in to World War Hulk. Johnny wasn't fighting at full power because Zarathos wouldn't let him access it, because the lives of the people in NYC meant nothing compared to the lives of everyone else in the world, which were at risk due to some demon they were hunting. Once Johnny was KO'd, Zarathos could have one shotted Hulk since he was already there, but the Illuminati deserved Hulk's wrath, they were not innocent in the slightest. and since Hulk hadn't killed anyone innocent while making his statement, no reason for GR to stick around.@@PaleRider86
@Atalas5 Don't know about one shot, man. Hulk was not going to be denied. I agree that if it was Zarathous was in control, things might have been different. But Hulk at that time was a whole different animal.
at that time Hulk didn't have the whole One Below All stuff attached to him. He was incredibly powerful, but at that time Ghost Rider was (and still is) one of the heaviest hitters not on the side of evil.@@PaleRider86
Like how this hulk transforms looks brutal painful different for once that marvel never has done
Fights to a stalemate… “dominated”
Still some how after 10 years people don’t know the that world war hulk is a persona (green scar) worldbreaker is a title of rage… only 2 people fought worldbreaker hulk and no one else. Skarr and Betty. No one else has fought that hulk… idk why it’s so hard to understand
Sentry? In the literal WWH comic ...
@@bussdownbandy1651 yes no one in that comic fought worldbreaker… he lost and it was confirmed in Incredible Hulk 611
Interesting story so far. I’d like to see more of that other Ghost Rider. And Hulk is as cool as ever.
I could’ve sworn that before Johnny Blaze the last Rider was a cowboy, kinda like Sam Elliot’s Caretaker from the movie. Mephisto didn’t always have one, it had been years and years in between Riders
This version of Hulk has also told Banner that there's a limited amount of transformations left and at some point a transformation to Hulk will be the END and there will be no Banner He hasn't forgiven Banner for 'Starship Hulk' and all that mess. There's SO much more going on here, Rob. You're not doing the series justice :D
Hulk vs Ghost Rider fights always end in a stalemate if i remember correctly.
Zarathos can't do anything to the Hulk because Penace Stare doesn't work on him and if it did Hulk would just regenerate. And Hulk doesn't fight Ghost Rider because his conflicts doesn't have nothing to do with him and views Ghost Rider as a nuisance.
Perfect way of putting it together
Whoa whoa whoa, Ghost rider did NOT dominate WW Hulk. He threw everything and the kitchen sink AND a building on Hulk and it did nothing to stop him, and Ghost Rider took off and left. Don't gas Ghost Rider like that. Its not Cosmic Ghost Rider.
Oye ño
THANK YOU!!!! I said the same type of thing. Rob loves sucking off GR.
The Ghost Rider that left the fight was not the Ghost Rider that showed up. Remember that.
Ghost Rider chose to end the fight with Hulk because his vengeance was justified towards the Illuminati
Whatever helps you sleep at night 😂😂. He knew what it was. As soon as that Penance stare doesn't work, Ghost Rider gets the bookin', lol
I really love your channel, the only place I’ll listen to comics
Theres something really special about this book; it gives me goosebumps the way Ghost Rider: Trail of Tears did. I might have to pick this one up. Thanks for sharing!
I’m actually liking this. The idea that Hulk is fucking around with demons and ghost riders and ain’t exactly the good guy
Well first, Ghost Rider did not dominate WWHulk. He got slapped around, then THE Ghost Rider took over, and blasted up as the Hulk shrugged it off. Then the Ghost Rider realized Hulk wasn’t the “evil one” so he left. We never saw a fight between the Ghost Rider persona in control and WWHulk.
Second, Banner wasn’t looking through the Hulk’s eyes, he had a probe following Hulk so he could see exactly what happened when the Hulk was in control.
So Titan hulk gone, Hulk is mysteriously back with no explanation, and despite meeting and being empowered by the One Below All who is actually the One above all...he's susceptible to demonic possession or something?
I guess it's still better than how Marvel treats the Sentry continuity?
Titan hulk was just a personality put into banners mind by some dude right? So it's not really a hulk or is it?
Did you even read the starship Hulk run?
Did you even read the starship hulk comic run?? Lol
Hulk is one of my favorite characters, second to Spider-Man, and I love it when he is "The Man" just the strongest guy there that can overpower everyone, especially when he is portrayed as a child, or abused spirit that can overcome anyone and anything with his anger. I believe that Hulk will get stronger than the others later down the years, because I do believe that people like Thor, especially with his new powers of the Thor Force and other things, and Hercules, and Zues, and Odin, and Galactus, and the Phenox, and others like Nightmare and Dormammu, and Maphesto and the new overpowered Future Luke Cage, Silver Surfer and demons and devils and others, are stronger than Hulk, but at least for now. I believe that Hulk will surpass them all, especially with Hulk going to go up against Eldest and The Mother of Horrors.
@user-yy3rp8zx6t I meant the Future Luke Cage from the Timless issue who has the powers of Hulk, Sentry, Iron Fist, and who fought the Immortal Moon Knight and Khonshu.
@user-yy3rp8zx6t And as for Silver Surfer, hasn't he beaten Hulk before by draining his power and things like that?
This Hulk has defeated a force that rivaled The One Above All and killed a monster with one punch that had the Nexus of All Reality scared and both are more powerful than everyone you mentioned above
@user-yy3rp8zx6t That was probably before they removed any ceiling on Hulk's power limit.
BRO ITS RICK MAY AKA THE Soldier bro that guy is a gaming legend
Everyone beats up Hulk now
I really liked the Immortal Hulk run because of the horror element and how grounded it felt. This dials the horror up even more. I'm loving it. I'm excited to see where it goes.
The weirdest Ghost Rider remains Cadavre, a skull-headed scamp who hails from a comic strip and cartoon made by Charles Strobb - they guy who invented Candle Cove and Local 58. Cadavre was originally a "straight" comic strip that featured as an occasional in-world newspaper comic in a long-abandoned webcomic project. He was most recently seen in the latest Local 58 video as the star of the "Cartoon for Children".
Kris Straub.
@@jasontodd8071 Yeah, I have no idea why I thought that. Charles Schwab the financial brand perhaps?
One punch and it didnt even do anything to the rider. Read the issue. Hulk crushed a runaway demon. Rider dint even concern himself much. Plus DH just came back and that wasnt just hulk
when back in the days I discovered your channel through hulk videos also I'm a big fan of hulk
I love this run. It is my favorite hulk I have read. I need to do more but this has been pure fun. And I can not love the art more. This is my favorite looking Hulk.
Hulk and Banner taking turns locking each other in time out.
I just realized Rob got the title backwards😂
War Devil? *kick back plays in the background*
omfg I love that line from the hulk: 'shoot at me one more time, and being dead won't save you.' only the hulk would say that man. OK holy shit, it's a very small detail. But the spikes protruding from the hollow eye socks of those three dead horses in the end. THAT is am amazing artistic description. Looks fucking cool as hell.
"The Hulk helps him finish with all his living."
😂😂😂😂😂 bro
World breaker hulk against ghost rider was closer than remembered. But I like the way the new ghost rider was introduced.
“I look out for the kid. Say your prayers Ugly.”
This line and his appearance:
I heard TF2 Soldier and I can’t bring myself to deny that it fits.
Check out how Green Hulk used to manifest around Incredible Hulk 370 to 380 (if my memory holds). Even how Banner is in the mindscape will look familiar. But damn this art looks good.
I do believe the horror transformations of Banner actually started with "The Immortal Hulk"
The Ghost Rider will NEVER dominate the Hulk!
Imagine doing the Hulk so dirty that the Spirit of Vengeance let him off to continue his rampage
Spawn... Dark Ages was my favorite Alt... So seeing a new Ghost Rider Alt - awesome!!! Like this wouldn't be gold?
Its spirit! A Dark spirit... Which is why Ghost Rider is involved, which its that flip of different powers that the writer is twisting - Ghost Rider was not matching vs Hulk because the Hulk isn't evil... But we we're told the Rider was triggered by the other guy - not the Hulk! Which the Rider will be returning to even the odds - I hope! I want to see more of THOSE fights plus the Hulk!
Uncle Sal's obviously Back Issues Sal
The hULK helps him finish with all his living!! Damn Rob that's funny!!
The way you title videos makes it INCREDIBLY hard to follow stories. They aren’t numbered just “Ghost Rider Eat a Frank!”
It was at worst a standstill in WWH between Johnny and Hulk and it ended without a solid answer. It took the actual Rider waking up to really challenge Hulk and in waking judged and left him in peace knowing his wrath was righteous.
I freakin love the WW2 Ghost Rider look, it's awesome!
This title is nothing short of excellent!
I feel like hulk could be the only being in a universe and someone would still find a way to harass him
Hulk and rider have been at this before in the past and this is definitely different 😮
"The Hulk helps him finish with all his living."😂😂
6:33 - Johnny Blaze wasn't bonded to Mephisto - He was bonded to Zarathos, ostensibly *by* Mephisto.
... it's a big difference, as it's why OG Ghost Rider was frequently out of control - Mephisto would Not have been.
The war devil reminds me a lot of Aztec gods. The design is super cool. I want to see more
If anything, this is back to the desire of the Hulk to separate from Banner. It's been done once before when Doom 'cut out' the Banner parts of Hulk. Doom cloned Banner and TADA..we had Hulk and Banner in two different bodies.
WW Hulk isn’t his strongest either , heart of the monster , and one other I can’t recall right now are way stronger not to mention immortal Hulk literally becoming planet size to solo planets in one punch. WWH is like SSJ1 Goku , there are definitely more powerful forms but that’s the first “serious” one
This new Hulk run is fire!
Hulk must be some kind of pissed off after being put through that multiverse arc.
This one of my fave hulk series since the original hulk. Of course I like Immortal hulk as well.
Beyond omega level: The Divine Creator
At least 3 different thumbnails in 7 hours. Nice.
This couple reminds me of 'When the Wind Blows'
Bruce had it coming when it came to the transformation, especially after Starship Hulk. Hulk just wants to live peacefully and away from anyone he can hurt when he snaps, but bruce either wants to use him or be rid of him.
Looks like they decided to go back to the body horror of immortal Hulk. I don't think we'll see more red door or green door stuff for a while, unless they tie the red door to hell.
Which, would make sense. If they made it so that the one below all was more closely tied to hell than the material plane. Thus, the closer to the one below all the Hulk gets, the stronger he becomes, but also more destructive like the titan hulk.
Title - Ghostrider HUMBLES Hulk.
First line - Hulk absolutely DOMINATES Ghost Rider...
Me - ...well this is gonna be interesting...
thanks for the video
Honestly I think the last hulk run was way cooler. Starship hulk was a cool concept and I liked what they did with that version of the titan hulk. Now it just feels like they’re back tracking on hulk’s and banner’s character.
Oh you mean as opposed to Starship Hulk forgetting and ignoring the whole conclusion of Immortal Hulk?
This new Hulk actually adds and follow the ramifications of the previous run…
Title's misleading. Made me think GR was gonna dunk on Hulk...
Keep this story going
I have a very limited knowledge of Ghost Rider. When I was a kid in the late 80s/early 90s, I remember the Danny Ketch run the most. I wasn’t even aware of Johnny Blaze back then. But Ghost Rider seemed pretty mature for my little 11-year old brain at the time. I bought the first six or seven issues of the Danny Ketch Ghost Rider, then ended up moving away and then discovering Image.
Well, I’m a huge sci fi fan as an adult, especially of the pulp style, and when I happened to see this Cosmic Ghost Rider character, I thought, “Oh, cool! Sci fi Ghost Rider! What? He’s Frank Castle? He was the right hand of Thanos?! He was Galactus’ Herald? Whaaaat?” So I bought a trade paperback of Cosmic Ghost Rider and I was disappointed hard core. It was almost like a comedy. It didn’t seem to fit right for me. Granted, I was an Image kid who morphed into a DC-mostly adult fan, so my knowledge of the Punisher was/is limited. But I don’t remember The Punisher ever being goofy and cracking jokes like Deadpool. Yet that is what it was. I was expecting this dark, twisted, mature sci fi superhero book, but ended up with goofy Deadpool in space.
That’s a lot of hemming and hawing to ask, was he always supposed to be a jokester? It seems like such a huge personality change.
Cosmic Ghost Rider has by far one of the coolest designs I’ve ever seen and he’s being wasted as a less-funny Deadpool.
Love you Rob, but someone needs to call you out for the blatant lies/misinterpretations of the comics that you’re explaining. Ghost Rider DID NOT dominate the Hulk here and he didn’t dominate him in World War Hulk either 🤦🏾♂️
Correct me if im wrong but hasn't johnny blaze as the Ghost Rider beaten Hulk before? This was way back when Johnny actually became the Ghost Rider and long before the Zarathos personality started to emerge in 80's.
I saw a few comic book scans back then but johnny using his hellfire, created like a hellfire cyclone around the hulk that removed all the air from around him, to stop him getting any air and then collapsed and he did this without Zarathos.
I know this is off topic but I just found out that in a predator story the creature managed to get trophies from Batman,Cyclops,Wolverine,Etrican,Magneto and two other people this matriarch was the Boss.
5:20
so anyway, i started blasting
The hulk should never lose
Rob will you please cover the new Thundercats comic?
If I remember correctly neither Johnny blaze or hulk were dominating each other. It was just them getting back up fro each others attacks, but seeing that Johnny was struggling zerathos steps up and deems hulk not guilty and leaves since he has no reason to fight someone who’s not guilty
8:09 no no no. Hulk crushed ghost rider...like a bug. (Like a bug was hulks words not mine 😂) i liked the video until 8:09 your better than that Rob.
Ghost Rider has become Spawn.
Rob getting Humble by his fans lol
It's also what they did with the Nicholas Cage live action movies with them having Carter Slade show up.
I’m of the camp that an unleashed/unbounded GR could take WW hulk. (idk about all hulk iterations tho), and the only reason he didn’t was he sided with hulk which I think most of us can agree that the writer was implying as much. Now where yall can debate me on theory/head canon is if Johnny Blaze was really that weak and couldn’t put up a better fight cuz I THINK Johnny was basically internally fighting with Zarathos and wasn’t getting his help/grace aka this was a weaker-than-base ghost rider. We’ve seen instances where Johnny Blaze is still in control of GR and still pulls off crazy feats cuz Zarathos and Johnny are working together and their goals are adjacent/in line. I think that he was severely nerfed because not only was hulks vengeance just but this version was especially NOT-wicked, Hulk was going easy on people and was consistently fucked over, going after only people who deserved it and heroic in this arc. The spirit of Vengeance has no beef with people like that.
Ghost rider sal needs he’s own run.
This is an interesting take on Hulk, can't wait for more of this
7:59 Hol' up, memory does NOT serve you correctly. As much as I love Blaze, Hulk SMASHED him.
Hulk smashed Johny blaze hulk did not smash ghost rider.
Ya’ll getting too held up on one thing this take of hulk is awesome please make more
Maybe made the mistake of reading the comments before the vid finishes... GR vs WWH happened before any relation to 'One Below all " was a notion. Hulk has no tie to heaven and hell in the writers mind at this time. Yes, Hulk beat Johnny. Yes, Zarathos, took over and found Hulk not guilty, but if he had: Hulk gets stronger as he gets madder, but at that time, GR was the vengence of God. Whomever he faced off against, his power scaled up. He was as strong as necessary to take out whatever needed. The point is: At THIS time, HULK is the plot device, But at THAT time, It was GR.
I disagree with the title of this video, but Philip Kennedy Johnson's Incredible Hulk is EASILY the best Marvel book out right now.
Wrong. Ghost Rider couldn't do anything to WW Hulk. Hulk was holding back the entire time. Even when Zarthos was unleashed in Johnny's Ghost Rider it did nothing to WWH, who throughout the entire event was pulling his punches. If the Hulk doesn't want to be stopped? Nothing can stop him. The Multiverse destroying Breaker of Worlds Hulk is proof of that in IMMORTAL HULK
I kinda like the horror twist on the Hulk as of late.
Just kinda fits in well 🤷♂️
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