plug-ins - gain , ( vocal tuning plug in) then eq , compression & effects (reverb and delay ) .. thanks for this intro … you have really simplified these words for me and this whole processing chain
I've worked in broadcasting and audio production for (many) years, and am the sound person at church. This video does a GREAT job of explaining the concepts, and how they work. GREAT JOB!
I never knew about mixing and mastering in a DAW. I was just used to a FOH mixing. Being a musician myself, I was never into audio mixing but just playing the instruments. But due to the prevailing situation, I was almost forced to learn it in order to make our recorded worship sound great for TH-cam. I’ve seen at least 50 videos related to it and about 70 hours in the last 2 months mixing and mastering. I feel the difference in the mixing improve week over week and I use quite a number of pro plugins to get it sound even better. From 8 hours of mixing per 25 minute worship to just 2-3 hours now, I’m sure it has been God’s Grace all through 🙌. Thanks Jake, most of your videos have been useful to us 🙌 Love from India.
Hi Bro... good to see your comment.. hard work really pays off :) would like to hear more of your learning experience which would definitely be helpful for me, If you would like to share... please inbox me on ashlytitus@rediffmail.com ... thanks.
I've learned so much from watching you Jake. I have been a sub for about a year and my FoH is drastically different now that before I stepped in to learn sound at church. With our church entering live-streaming, I had a new challenge and you definitely stepped up on your channel and it has definitely helped our church sound online. Thank you.
A common flaw I hear in many streaming mixes is distortion on the Pastor's mic when they get LOUD. Its important 2 understand the gain relationship between transmitter and receiver. If transmitter mic gain is NOT properly adjusted to the volume characteristics of your Pastor you WILL have distortion. And all the engineering expertise and console processing in the world will NOT fix it as the problem is at the MIC. Spend the time to properly adjust transmitter gain for clean speech/vocals.
Another problem I’ve seen is turning up master gain in the front of house can overload the gain going to the feed and cause clipping so it’s worth using a limiter
Hey, i have no idea about the gain on receiver gain of a wireless mic. A friend said that should be at the middle or 12o'clock and be adjusted at the gain on the console. Another said that the receiver gain should be adjusted so that you get decent levels on the console without adjusting gain of the console. What should be the best audio flow?
Hey Jake... at my church we tried to live mix a full band in a DAW but we had a lot of problems with processing and with the encoder. Could you make a video bringing some solutions for that?
Hey Jonatas, how do you route/connect the live stream mix on a DAW (macbook pro) to the computer running the video side (OBS, HMDI encoder etc etc)? Thanks
first you have to get a powerful computer that can handle all the plugins also try to use the stock plugin in the its less cpu Also if you have a board that has enough extra unused channels you could route input to those channel create a mix route the output to separate output
I typically use 2 eqs. One before the comp and one after. The one before, I use to make small cuts to harsh and muddy frequencies. Remember, low frequencies have more energy and can trigger the compression in an undesirable way. I like to clean it up before I compress. Then into compression. The compressor is usually fast attack and slow release. Then eq after to control the tone of the vocal. Lastly, with reverb, I like to get a reverb sound I like then pulling it all the way down in the mix. Turn it up until I can hear it, then back off a tiny bit so it sits in the mix. It will add space and width to the mix. I appreciate you making this video. I’m sure it will help a ton of people. I work at a pretty large setup/teardown church and you have some great content.
David Vazquez not typically, but I do have ableton. I use presonus studio one to mix. If you have ableton light or intro, it is worth investing in a few plugins because what you have internally is a bit limiting. Waves f6 and waves shepps omni channels are some that I use all the time that can do a lot! If you want free, TDR nova is a great eq and can compress or expand bands of eq based on input dynamics. It can help for when a singer goes from chest voice to head voice, or to help expand a snare in the overheads.
I am glad that you started with trims. One of the coolest mixes I ever did was built on gain matching. I was alone and I was new to the venue and new to the talent, and of course the talent was running late - i.e. not much time to ring-out the microphones. So before the audience was going to come in, I raised the levels of the monitors and the PA above the standard level. Then listened to the sound of the first microphone when I stood on the stage and waved the microphone in front of the closest monitor. Then went to the back of the venue and adjusted channel 1's levels. Took a couple of round-trips for channel 1, but things got actually easier as I added each new microphone and did not turn down the already turned-up individual levels. Had to lower the main level and the monitors a couple of times to keep things just below feedback, kept adding microphones and then finally turned the whole system down before the audience came in. Didn't need much FX that night, and my respect of gain trims grew a little bit.
Jake, how are you outputting the audio into your livestream? Do you run your broadcast from the same computer you run the DAW on? Or do you send audio out of that computer (headphone jack) to a different computer to run the stream?
He pre-records and produces a polished video. Not a true live stream. However, as he said, you can stream it to the video switcher in a live environment.
I use soundflower.... I use ableton to mix and process my audio then i use OBS to stream to FB Live. "Soundflower" creates a audio device on your MAC so it can communicate with other programs And OBS just use as a audio input capture. If You have a pc you can also try 'VB-Cable". www.vb-audio.com/Cable/
Using protools you can set the same processing chain and mix it down live. His preference to multi-track record and mix later doesn't deter from the message. The specific example he gave Bethel, use protools to mix a live stream.
We have a much smaller church and the problem we had was that the ambient sounded nothing like the mixer output as the drums and bass were not running through the house. My solution was a little Behringer mixer and a couple of SM58 mics setup by the main mixer. We output this mixer into the computer to stream via the USB output on the mixer. Is it professional? No, but it sounds pretty well balanced and if you buy new you are looking at a couple hundred for a mixer and a couple hundred in mics and a maybe another hundred for mic holders and cables and all the little stuff that everyone neglects to add in. It was a lot cheaper than trying to add additional channels to pickup the stuff we weren't amplifying.
Awesome video thank you Jake. Just one thing I disagreed with is the 95% processing, 5% setting mix levels bit. I think mix levels is very crucial to a great mix. You can have a perfectly processed signal, but if its placed too low you may not even hear how great it sounds. One of my pet peeves is hearing live music, seeing say a guitarist play a guitar solo... and you can't even hear it. I think this is where sound techs also being musicians really helps. I know how hard these guys worked on practicing their parts so I try my best to mix so that everyone is heard (appropriately of course). But overall great video, just sent it to my whole team to watch. Thank you and God bless!
I agree mix levels are the most important part. I still think of the Utility gain staging he did, compression, and EQ all as levels as well considering they’re only allowing the right level of certain frequencies, and compressor is keeping the level where it’s supposed to be, and that initial Utility effect kept the level correct even before the EQ and compressor. You’re totally right, just wanted to point out I think it’s maybe 50/50 :)
We have four mics and a keyboard. They all plug into an old Behringer Europower PMX2000 power mixer, and our live output is through the Right/Mono Main output to a pair of speakers. Our worship music comes from the keyboard and a singer (sometimes two) and the mics are used for reading scripture and teaching. We livestream our services to Facebook through OBS with two cell phone cameras using iVCam through USB connections to a Dell laptop that is running OBS. The audio to OBS is from the 1/4" monitor output jack on the PMX2000 running through a 1/4" to RCA adapter then to a ROXIO VHS to DVD3 PLUS capture device connected to a USB port on the laptop. The video quality is acceptable but the audio is extremely tinny and "flangy" ... So far we've had no complaints about the audio on the live stream but I just hate the way it sounds, so I'm using a second laptop running Audacity (it also runs OpenLP software for projecting song lyrics) and recording into it from the same Monitor Out source on the PMX2000 through a splitter - except in this case there is a 1/8" aux in port on the older HP laptop and I don't need the ROXIO capture device for it. Since the audio sounds so much better from that computer, I use it when I edit and produce the video from the service to upload it to our TH-cam channel in the afternoon. Perhaps my problem is in the ROXIO capture device. But since my Dell laptop doesn't have an aux in port, just a single headphone/mic jack that doesn't recognize audio coming in from the PMX2000. is there another way to get the audio into the computer without having to buy another computer or any gear? Our ministry is small and, well, we don't really have money to spend to make things sound good.
Which DAW is best? Why do some use multiple ones at the same time? I wish this video could have existed at the beginning of COV-19. I've been mixing our recorded worship on a trial version of Studio One. It's been enjoyable with pretty decent results so far, but now trying to decide which DAW to commit to. I'm thinking of jumping to Ableton since I have watched some other tutorials of all the other things that that can do for our worship.
Do you think that it is important to have the mixing station for the remote broadcast in a different room than the live? I find that in trying to adjust the broadcast while in the sanctuary, I have a great deal of trouble discerning sounds that are in the room from sounds in my headphones, no matter how good the headphones are. Particularly in the bass sounds. In the room, you feel the bass, making it seem louder in the broadcast than it actually is.
Could you please explain how you send your audio from your DAW computer to the video switcher? Do you use an audio interface with outputs that goes into the video switcher?
Great video, thanks Jake! Can you please go more in depth on the Plugins, like HOW you EQ and how you dial in the compressor, reverb, ... That would be so helpful!
Hey Jake i really like your video, just two qstns. What free software do you recommend using for a church that has a basic sound system setup? Looking forward to your reply. I'd like you to make a video of that if possible!
Any way you could make a video or explain how you could eq on protools live? How do you get all the plugins and eq to go through your stream while the service is happening? i know how to multitrack but no clue how to do it live.
At 23:00 I thought the orange circle in the bottom right corner of the video was paint from my kids. I was mad at first, but then realized it was in the video. Great video!
Great video Sir! I have a few questions if you can please help me out with. 1. How exactly do you send the multi-channel audio from your main board to the DAW laptop that keeps all the channels separate so the DAW recognizes all the individual channels? I use an old ProTools v9 to home record but my (Mbox2) interface that has a max of only 4 simultaneous inputs. 2. Is there a version of Protools you must have for this to work? (I.e., anything older than v9 won't allow this functionality....) Thank you! Blessings
It sounds like the primary reason for choosing a DAW is for the effects functionality. My church has a lot of untrained operators and we stream a lot of unrehearsed programs. Wouldn't mic splitters with a simple console such as the Soundcraft SI expression 3 combined with a DAW for effects busses work better? This way the broadcast mix technician doesn't have to worry about improper gain settings on the house board. Beginner operators can operate with an easy to use console, Advanced effects can be done in the DAW while returning the signal to the board for mixdown and output.
Watching this TH-cam from Singapore and thank you so much for letting us know on what is so difference between the audio sound in our Worship Hall & bringing it over the Live Stream 😀. Is a great help & make me understand better now. Thanks alot brother and may God to continue to bless you in the Worship & TH-cam broadcast 🙏
We had nothing for live streaming and we had a basic mixer in a cabinet. Our church spent a few thousand for a ptz camera and an upgrade to the audio with a qu core for more direct control during a service(didn't really have the space for a sound booth). Now we are weak is in mixing the audio and then making it somewhat easier to use. We are a traditional church service so I am not sure we have enough mics for the live stream audio (i.e our organ is picked up as ambient, we have two-floor mics for the piano. We have 2 shotgun mics pointing to each side of the choir loft but are somehow picking up people talking in the back of the sanctuary.). We've had the company come out a few times, but not really focus on a good mix for in house and stream. I am more versed in video and streaming and the audio is my weakest and am learning much of audio fundamentals and trying to learn what's available on the qu all with the restrictions of covid. Is there a way I can record some of these elements and work with recordings like you did to help build what would make good live stream audio with the equipment I've mentioned?
Jake, great video. One thing I thought about when you were talking about EQ is proximity effect. Rarely does anybody talk about this, but I have 'fixed' a lot of live muddy vocals by not even touching the mixer. I just use 2 words. "Back up!" Lol The majority of the time just backing off the mic a little instantly clears up the mud. You might have to compensate slightly in terms of gain but not enough to introduce feedback or bleed from other sources. And you'll get a much clearer vocal so the words can be understood.
I'm more of a "go ahead and be close and we'll EQ the proximity effect out" guy. The reason for this is that the less gain you have on each individual mic that's open, the less leakage you are likely to have between mics. Every time you have to add gain to open mics in a live mix you pick up some amount of other ambient sound in the space. Sometimes it's negligible (as you mention) and doesn't really bother anything, but if you have acoustic drums on stage and/or guitar and bass amps, you might be picking up more of that than you want by turning up the gain. I find that it's very hard to control the mix overall if I have to turn up gains any more than absolutely necessary. So there's definitely more than one way of thinking about this and you have to apply what works best for your situation.
Isolation > proximity effect. It’s much easier to get a good mix with a well isolated vocal with too much bass/low mid, then a cleaner track with tons of bleed, so I agree with Mark. Better to eat the mic and apply a wide cut at 200hz. (Even better in a DAW, use a dynamic EQ!)
@@RadioMarkCroom I agree. However, in my particular case the lead guy is pretty much by himself (iso drums and little stage volume) so there's not much else that can bleed through. And from my experience it only takes a smidge to really roll off the mud. I study artists who I consider to be some of the best vocalists (i.e. James Taylor and Eric Clapton to name a couple) and it's pretty consistent. The other factor is he normally has guys running the board who aren't real experienced, so if it's set for him to keep from eating the mic he should be ok. Should. Lol
Excellent video. But I have a few questions: 1. Why set the gain to about -12db? Why not -8db or normalized at -5db? 2. Why do you apply a high pass filter? Why the cut at about 800Hz? Why the boost at 15KHz? 3. Doesn't apply compression reduce the dynamics of the singer? What is a good ratio? When to use 2x ration as oppose to 6x ratio? 4. Is there any advantage to have dry reverb on a separate track as oppose to the same track? Can we add reverb to a mixed track, vocal and instruments? I think the reason why online service sounds not as good as live is because online service has audio lossy compression when high or low frequencies are ignore. Live worship has the harmonic, overtone and undertone to bring out the richness of the music.
1. Just to make the signal healthier. Better control on the inserted effects especially on the threshold. 2. Cut the low end frequency of the vocals to make room for the bottom end focused instruments/tracks. 3. Yes it would reduce the dynamics but it will make the vocals sit on top of the intruments. 4. Dry reverb on each track for better control, bus routed reverb is easier though.
@Cyril Cero has some good answers here, but I'll throw a little bit of alternative view into the "mix" here. 1. Basically I'm in agreement here: - 12db gives you more room to boost where appropriate in effects (or with live console EQ if you're analog). Basically it's a good industry standard for raw "starting point" live mix levels. 2. The point of the high pass filter on the vocal is not to reduce any of the vocal, but to reduce proximity effect from the mics being worked closely, and any low-end pickup from the non-directional frequencies of the other things happening on the stage (kick and tom of acoustic drums, bass amp, etc). It's mostly for LIVE situations, in my opinion. Not as needed for produced up deals where there's not much low end sound happening around the vocal mic. Don't undermine the vocalists' natural quality by setting the high pass too threshold frequency too high. The cut at 800 is likely specific to Jake's vocal, or just his vocal on that track (maybe the acoustic guitar was leaking through around there). The boost at 15kHz is very much a matter of taste. There's very little happening there on any vocal track; I think a bit of boost at 12kHz is a better choice on many tracks. 3. Yes, compression reduces the dynamics of any track to which it is applied. I do not like straight compressors for this, but prefer a compressor with a downward expander, it's just less offensive to my ear. You heard how the compressor on Jake's track seemed to pump up his breathing -- I personally dislike that. But sometimes you really need the compression for other reasons. I don't want to compress more than 2:1 if I can possibly help it. I never use more than 3:1 period, but that's just me. 4. I don't have enough first hand experience using reverb to give a good answer on this. I only ever have one reverb option available so it goes either on a sub-mix or the whole mix (then it's used in very small amounts). Finally, lossy audio compression does remove a certain fullness from the mix that is more important than the codec designers seem to think. But it is what it is we must deal with it. Our church streams to TH-cam and Facebook as well as a dedicated streaming platform via our website; in my opinion there is difference between the three when I listen back to them and I find Facebook less offensive to my ear than the other platforms. Not sure what they may be doing differently but that's my take at the moment.
Many smaller churches have analog or older consoles that don’t offer an interface built into them. Some are using their phones to stream right now. They’re taking an aux send signal to their phones. It’d be a great idea to do a video on cheap, budget-friendly workflows for churches who don’t have that Bethel money. Most churches don’t have that Bethel money.
The iPhone is one of the best on a low budget and it is great just get a audio interface that is los compatible send the audio from your console to the interface and you are ready to go
You, Deedre are SO right! That is exactly where our church is coming from. Back in analog LOCAL days, huge systems with bang-on speakers were "The Thing", but not when you are attempting to send digitally clipped megabits over the internet to everything from flip-phones to quad-core computers all over the world. Solution? Go big or go home? No! Learn how to work both modes. And right there is where I and many other small church engineers are at a disadvantage. What to buy? How to connect? And most importantly, how to configure and broadcast over the internet AND.. still project audio efficiently for a growing senior population who can't hear the worship and the preaching through old technologically-inferior hearing aids. We need help. Thank you. And keep rockin'.. and PEACE in Jesus Christ. No Jesus, no peace.
We currently use a Mackie 32 Channel analog mixer. We use aux channel for our live stream mix. Suggestions on what to do to improve our setup? I have one signal sent to our live stream Can I add reverb, compression, etc. to the entire mix?
You would need to use the direct outs for each channel and feed those into some sort of interface that had enough inputs to mix everything independently. While the GL2400 is nice (I own one) it would be better to just buy an X32.
Hey Brother, so it means that after you mix this track you have recorded...can we save the mix, gain, eq's, compressions and fx you have used and use it on our next FOH and broadcast sessions? Thanks...Godbless
We had trouble getting enough head space for the bass guitar and kick drum for folks listening on phones and tablets. We ended up running a saturation plug-in. We also have to compare the mix between our studio headphones and cheap set to simulate phone speakers.
Good stuff. We are doing this set up using Reaper DAW. However we are having issues with latency. Have you ever had that problem? Our audio is just s bit behind the video. Trying to find a solution
Dude thank you soooo much, our church is growing and we need to start using audio and live-streaming, I was so overwhelmed by the audio part but this video cleaned up so much, thanks you, God bless
We are using Yamaha MGPX24 analog mixer in our church. How can we do multi track recording?. Do we need to add 1 more mixer for livestreaming or better buy a new Digital mixer?
I’d love to learn how to do this on livestream. How would you get the mix from the laptop to the media guy?? Can you save the mix you made for every Sunday?
when you're going for the direct-from-daw livestream option, how would you advise mixing on the fly and getting good reference audio to make sure that what you're hearing is going to be true and consistent across various quality of speakers and headphones for the listeners on the other end?
Very nice video. I have been a church musician and operated a recording equipment of my own for many years. Different churches, bands, and even genres of music....and several instruments. I finally “retired” from it. My current church takes highschool or college kids who know absolutely nothing about mixing music, not the first thing, and puts them in the booth mixing. Their training is how to flip it all on and that is it. Worse.... they dont even know what they dont know. No ear for music. I love all of your videos.... but fundamentals go back even further than you took them here. Please keep up the good work. I have shared this video with my pastor and worship pastor. At some level perhaps they will begin to understand at least some of the skill that is requires.
I'm interested in the way you compress vocals. You have a fairly slow attack normally I'd use that attack for dynamic instruments like drums, is there a specific reason for slow attack on vocals? I've never thought of doing it like that and just wondering about the thinking :) Great video :)
Can you get the same results just doing the mixing with the board or should you really use the DAW? So if using something like pro tools on mac, i would send the mix from the borad (we have the touchmix 30) to a computer running pro tools and do the mix and then send it to the streaming computer. ( we are using a pc now running vmix for the stream.) We will be getting a new m2 mac mini soon so we will be using more then likey wirecast. But if we would consider getting pro presenter 7 can you stream right from that?
I have a few fundamental concerns here, although some of the concepts are addressed in a manner easy to understand. For pretaped services, absolutely, we should be mixing in a DAW. As per live content, it can be quite risky and not as cost effective as presented. The issue is the cost doesn't include the computer, and to mix live in a DAW you need a very robust computer. You also need a good understanding of how much latency and CPU drain is being applied with each of the plugins you choose. Bethel does sound great, but it has a great engineer behind the mix who likely chose to mix in ProTools so he or she could take advantage of various plugins and expand creativity. However that engineer could also probably create an amazing broadcast focused mix on a consumer level console utilizing the concepts you begin to present in the video. But it does bring in a certain level of risk. In fact most broadcast music mixing facilities have moved from mixing in a DAW to utilizing consoles with plugin servers. Just something to think on.
yeah on the Bethel tech tour video, they were mixing on a laptop for a conference, but for their regular weekends it was ProTools running through a giant analog mixer with lots of outboard gear. But the DAW solution is feasible for some scenarios. I know a church that does it and it sounds great.
You’re completely right but the one thing I’ll point out is I believe those Ableton effects use MUCH less CPU than 3rd party plugins. I have 16GB of RAM And even with 30-50 tracks including VSTs I almost never have issues with CPU.
@@jasongravely7217 would you recommend a Macbook Air for this, m1chip, 16RAM and 256GB SSD?, only to Mix in the DAW like Logic Pro?, not to record, only to Process the audio with stock plugins
You can mix live just don't over do it with compressors and limiters and eq it along the way for smoothness and don't expect to make it sound like an album.
Hey Jake. I’m really considering setting up a live broadcast mix like you have but how do you make sure it’s stable? How do I make sure that it doesn’t drop out/ runs smoothly and stable, and how to I route the audio out of ableton and into my recording software?
using REAPER on an x32... looking for best routing to take my REAPER mix, put it back into my x32 (channels 31, 32?) and then route to my matrix out... mainly looking for ideas on REAPER matrix settings... thanks
Thanks, Just want to ask if we still need to replace our analog mixer (Sound Craft MPMI) that don't have USB port? We are only using audio box and plug it in the mixer aux. Thanks
Want a huge hack for vocals? Download waves CLA vocals plugin. Been using it the last couple months, combines simple eq, compression, reverb, delay and a stereo spread option. If you don’t have a strong grasp on, or simply don’t have the interest in spending hours dialing in all the setting of the plug ins jake was explaining, the cla vocals plug in is awesome. Has a bunch of presets ( I always start with the “live room” setting) and your 90% there. Really, you can’t make a bad sounding vocal with this plug in.
Ebz War, I use waves tune which is a lot more Tim consuming bit gives you the ability to really fine tune notes or I use waves tune real time. Real time is more of a set it and let it do it’s thing. Both work well.
Some interesting points at the end, there, about gear and how to accomplish this... and the trump card of “this is how Bethel does it” kinda can’t be beat, LOL, but I’d add a few caveats: 1. You do not need to “spend $50,000” on a second mixing console. That may have been hyperbole, of course, but you can get a Behringer X32 or WING for $2500-$3500... still a lot, of course, but not nearly as much as king-of-the-hill MIDAS. 2. I would imagine that most sound techs would still want a control surface of some sort to mix on, if they are actively mixing for live streaming. Yes, even spending $3500 for a glorified control surface may be overkill, some may want options to accomplish this. At the least, devices like the X-Touch or Faderport could be quite useful, and are far less expensive than even the two Behringer boards I mentioned. Just some food for thought. You generally give great advice here, Jake, and I don’t dispute that. :)
@@SllieNRhymesWithSpleenI wanna clarify myself here, what you're trying to say is, you just click the record button on all the cameras first then after that you clap once?
June Mark Wales pretty much, you just gotta make sure that all the cameras see the clap, or if they’re out of frame, clap in front of each camera so you can line it up later in post
Hello Jake, can Studio One do this? If yes, how will I send the output to my visual mixer for broadcast? 🤔 And also, must I be recording before I can send the audio?
We are a small church and getting started with a Behringer x18. Can we get a good FOH mix and a good stream mix as an Aux put from the mixer instead of going through a DAW?
hello, Thank you for the interesting video. All your videos are very informative. I am interested in mixing a stream live in a daw. There are a few more questions for me here. Are there problems with latency when mixing in a DAW and can there be problems when trying to synchronise the video and audio signal? Is there a video you can recommend on these questions? Thanks in advance Christian
Jake, how do you deal with latency between the audio that you send and the video already captured in your switcher? I mean, here in my setup (basically the same of yours) I have my audio mix about 42ms later than my video (maybe more). So In a speech it is possible to perceive the difference in time betwen audio and video. It so annoying...
Whatever you use be it switcher or Vmix or Boxcast should have a video delay option. It's better to delay video to audio than the other way around. No one cares that they're a minute 30 later than the live experience.
@@andyxprophet Yes, I know that the livestreaming is delayed a minute or more. It is normal. The problem is the sync with video. This is my problem. Our switcher is BlackMagic (whole system, from cameras to encoders), and in our equipments we don't have any solution to video delay. BlackMagic has equipment to do that, but is too expensive in our contry (Brazil). So I'm looking for another solution... if it exist... You've mention the Boxcast! We use their service. I will look in settings, may be there is a option for video delay.
thank you for this! noted on the Gain, EQ, Reverb and Delay! Hi! We have an SI impact and logic on the computer. how do i connect this mix to the streaming software? we are looking at wirecast for streaming.
If we are streaming live, can't all of the adjustments in the workflow be done on a good digital console like an SQ6? It seems to have all of the adjustments as in a DAW.
Love the video! Thank you so much! The only question that comes to mind is how would I connect the mixed sound from a laptop to an iPad that runs Switcher Studio?
We mix our live broadcast audio on a seperate bus on the x32 and send it via usb (asio-stereo) to our streaming software. Do we really need a daw? Is it so much outstanding?
Hi! I’m a volunteer tech, currently our church have Allen&Heath GLD 112. Sadly I can only mix 2track main mix which leads me to use another 8channel analog console & use GROUP Bus per channel from GLD. Still sound doesnt great on livestream, any help or recommendations?
I am happy watching you Jake, you're gradually give me solutions to my problems in church, but there is another issue, For some churches that have there mixing console live in the church, It's gonna be difficult mixing audio for the live stream in the church environment, the noise will make it difficult for you to be able to mix a good audio for the stream. I don't know if you understand what I meant 😂
Not much you can do, just run an output from your analog mixer to an audio interface. You won’t be able to mix your audio, it’ll all just be one recording though. Maybe suggest fund raising for a new mixer???
Try to borrow a digital mixer from someone who is willing and do a multitrack recording with your band. Mix it, master it and then go play the same song without any mixing live to your pastor. When he/she hears both, and sees the effort, he/she may change her mind. 😓
As a Senior Pastor of a church plant, I've totally been where your pastor perhaps is now. In time, I came to the realization that tech and worship investments, done thoughtfully can and will bring glory to God. I'm reminded of what Paul said to the Colossians; Whatever you do, do it enthusiastically, as something done for the Lord and not for men, knowing that you will receive the reward of an inheritance from the Lord. You serve the Lord Christ. - Colossians 3:23-24. Pray and don't give up. 😊
Nice to find this kind of stuff finally. I'm a pastors kid and guitar player at our church I have a home studio and would like to do this for us thanks for the vid
This video implies that the viewers have a digital mixing console. What would you recommend for a church that has an analog mixing console for streaming live worship? Considering that there is no way to equalize the channels by separate...
Do I really need a DAW?... Thanks for the video Jake - I really do appreciate it! As we currently are using a Yamaha LS32, so it doesn't have the capabilities of outputting to a DAW. We need to upgrade the mixing console and am considering the flexibility of the the Behringer Wing that gives you the capabilties of capturing multitack. Can/should we do a broadcast mix straight on the console - in place of a DAW?
Tim Collard I personally think, mixing it right on the stream is better...but harder to achieve a good result. Live is live, when the service is over, no post production is needed. But you have to practice far more, and implement all effects and eq etc beforehand. I witnessed good technicians, mixing a whole band down to stereo, and it sounded awesome. It took a lot of experience and time, though
No, if the livestream is actually live so no pre recorded worship you wont be able to mix it effectively on a DAW get a decent 2 input audio interface and send your left and right output to the interface. So for me during this COVID-19 thing my church started streaming and we just did that. Works great. For live and livestream you will definitly want a separate mix. Maybe a post fader bus with some extra reverb on it. Not the best option but it's a decent one that doesnt force you to spend a lot of money.
The Wing also allows direct SD card multi track recording via it's 'Wing Live' SD card expansion module. I'm hoping this function deletes the need for a DAW for when we need to do post mixing. Currently we record music and release so it's not true live. Right now, we don't know what the long term delivery will be. if we are going to go true livestream, or post, we (hopefully) should be able to achieve both without a DAW.
Tim Collard a DAW is actually a powerful tool, especially for correcting and automating stuff. If I have to do post production, a DAW is first choice. But if you are able to mix everything down to your stream in a good quality, you have to work far less afterwards.
Thanks much.. Could you please also do a step by step video on how to broadcast out of the mixed sound of steaming laptop and where to get a template for those that need a little help. Thanks again!
Hey Jake, I've been following Churchfront for a while and really like your videos! Some thoughts on that video: We are a church who just recently got into live-streaming but my brothers and I are in to video production for a while. As we have to invest in our current set up to make it "livestream-proof" I were deciding whether to go for DAW or a mixing desk. Here is why I decided to go for the mixing desk in the end: 1. Using a DAW I find it more difficult to create a appealing live-stream mix quickly. Maybe it is just me but I find it easier to use a sound desk and just jump to the knobs that I need. Also I find it, that muting and unmuting channels is quicker and easier with a sound desk as well as adjusting levels. 2. Most of our volunteers wouldn't know how to operate a DAW and if so they wouldn't be experienced. But finding the same sound desk as on the FOH with the exact same layout makes it way easier for them to jump onto the livestream. And 3. which I think this is the most important reason: In your documentary the bethel sound engineer says that they've been using a Protools template that has been optimised especially for them for years and I also think that you bought a preset for your service which costs a couple hundred dollars as well as needing to buy loads of Plug ins. So this is why I think we will be heading for the 2nd mixing console (Nothing fancy) but I would love to hear what you think about it and if you agree with some of my points! Much love and thank so much for all the work you do!
I think Jake's approach should have been to say here is an alternative to buying a second mixing console, instead of saying buying a 2nd mixing console is wrong. Because both have their advantages and disadvantages, of which you have listed the some of the advantages of a 2nd console. In the recording world this is the typical "hardware vs plugins" debate. But on the flip side, it might be worth investing in learning how to mix on a DAW, because there is a level of control in evening out your sound that you might not get on your console, especially if you don't have a fancy one. But it will take time. As a worship leader and self taught sound guy (because I had no choice as there was no1 to do it) I can tell you it took some trial and error, lots of youtube tutorials. For example it might seem easy enough looking at that vocal chain Jake has in Ableton and to think I'm just going to put an eq and compressor plugin and I'm good. Learning how to actually eq and compress using the right settings is not a walk in the park. Unfortunately it's not easy as just "dialing in the settings". It's certainly not an immediate or even short term solution going the DAW mixing route, more so if you don't have anyone on your team who is familiar with at least one DAW. I think for the long run it's a worthy investment though
Is it recommendable, as an alternative, to use an Aux mix out of the mixer with different levels and plug in settings from the FOH to use as the streaming audio feed?
House mics are mostly used to hear and interact with the congregation, but since there isn’t so much of a congregation due to covid it would add a “live” feel, but might as well take advantage of having a clean studio recording
thank u man... hmm i use dgtal mixer and route to DAW softwarre ( cubase 10.5) to my laptop for broadcast mixing... so can i send the audio mix from my laptop ( cubase) to another pc/laptop ?? i means sent to obs.. bcouse the audio from my laptop and the obs from another lptop to stream like a fb and youtube... so how to connect / sent it? please help sir...
Hey bro! What are your computer specs and have you had any issues with your cpu overloading in Pro Tools or Ableton. And did you switch from Pro Tools to Ableton because of those reliability issues? Thanks in advance
If I'm using an analog mixer is it still possible to get the separate channels to mix individually? I will have to use the FX sends and they have dedicated knobs. But will I be able to get these separate channels in Ableton, or will it be one mix that I have to control on the analog mixer using the FX knobs?
Waaooo!!! I have passion to learn this tech but opportunity is not yet seen but I see it now approaching. How would you feel if you trained me how to achieve that knowledge Sir!
The point of a "separate mixing station" isn't about whether that mixer is a console or a PC that has software doing the same thing. The reason for a separate station is to move audio mixing for the live stream out of the room so that the person mixing the live stream can hear the live stream without bleed through from the sound in the room.
Man ! You are the best ! I have a question is it possible to route the mixing console someway with Ableton for live mixing ? You know, use the sends of the console to Ableton and then return the signal with the Dsp to the console for FOH? I hope this makes sense . Greetings from mexico !
Hi Jake, if a church doesn't have a band, but the worship team uses a backtrack from whichever worship band, would there be any copyright issues if these worship sessions were to be uploaded on TH-cam?
Question! With mixing on the computer for the online experience are you able to save your template for the next time? Just trying to think of saving time especially if you’re mixing for live service and not having to eq every single week from scratch. Any advice or other videos on that?
Question for Jake or anyone that knows. I understand the point of having the mixing board for your individual inputs, but what is the point of having a DAW connected to the board for the processing of individual channels if you can do all the processing on the board itself? Also, is GarageBand a viable option instead of ProTools or Logic?
plug-ins - gain , ( vocal tuning plug in) then eq , compression & effects (reverb and delay ) .. thanks for this intro … you have really simplified these words for me and this whole processing chain
I've worked in broadcasting and audio production for (many) years, and am the sound person at church. This video does a GREAT job of explaining the concepts, and how they work. GREAT JOB!
I never knew about mixing and mastering in a DAW. I was just used to a FOH mixing. Being a musician myself, I was never into audio mixing but just playing the instruments. But due to the prevailing situation, I was almost forced to learn it in order to make our recorded worship sound great for TH-cam. I’ve seen at least 50 videos related to it and about 70 hours in the last 2 months mixing and mastering. I feel the difference in the mixing improve week over week and I use quite a number of pro plugins to get it sound even better. From 8 hours of mixing per 25 minute worship to just 2-3 hours now, I’m sure it has been God’s Grace all through 🙌. Thanks Jake, most of your videos have been useful to us 🙌
Love from India.
Hi Bro... good to see your comment.. hard work really pays off :) would like to hear more of your learning experience which would definitely be helpful for me, If you would like to share... please inbox me on ashlytitus@rediffmail.com ... thanks.
I've learned so much from watching you Jake. I have been a sub for about a year and my FoH is drastically different now that before I stepped in to learn sound at church. With our church entering live-streaming, I had a new challenge and you definitely stepped up on your channel and it has definitely helped our church sound online. Thank you.
A common flaw I hear in many streaming mixes is distortion on the Pastor's mic when they get LOUD. Its important 2 understand the gain relationship between transmitter and receiver. If transmitter mic gain is NOT properly adjusted to the volume characteristics of your Pastor you WILL have distortion. And all the engineering expertise and console processing in the world will NOT fix it as the problem is at the MIC. Spend the time to properly adjust transmitter gain for clean speech/vocals.
Another problem I’ve seen is turning up master gain in the front of house can overload the gain going to the feed and cause clipping so it’s worth using a limiter
Hey, i have no idea about the gain on receiver gain of a wireless mic. A friend said that should be at the middle or 12o'clock and be adjusted at the gain on the console.
Another said that the receiver gain should be adjusted so that you get decent levels on the console without adjusting gain of the console. What should be the best audio flow?
Thank you for inspiring and helping many churches around the world. I'm from the UK.
Hey Jake... at my church we tried to live mix a full band in a DAW but we had a lot of problems with processing and with the encoder. Could you make a video bringing some solutions for that?
same // cpu overload issues and my cpu specs are very solid
@Joshua Phillips. It takes a lot of processor. We had to upgrade to a Ryzen 5 3600x
@@joshuaphillips4824 The video encoding is way more CPU intensive than the audio side. We've been using OBS and a separate machine for the audio mix.
Hey Jonatas, how do you route/connect the live stream mix on a DAW (macbook pro) to the computer running the video side (OBS, HMDI encoder etc etc)? Thanks
first you have to get a powerful computer that can handle all the plugins also try to use the stock plugin in the its less cpu
Also if you have a board that has enough extra unused channels you could route input to those channel create a mix route the output to separate output
Bro, you’re coming in clutch, during these times, I’ve been a subscriber for a while
Thanks!
I typically use 2 eqs. One before the comp and one after. The one before, I use to make small cuts to harsh and muddy frequencies. Remember, low frequencies have more energy and can trigger the compression in an undesirable way. I like to clean it up before I compress. Then into compression. The compressor is usually fast attack and slow release. Then eq after to control the tone of the vocal. Lastly, with reverb, I like to get a reverb sound I like then pulling it all the way down in the mix. Turn it up until I can hear it, then back off a tiny bit so it sits in the mix. It will add space and width to the mix. I appreciate you making this video. I’m sure it will help a ton of people. I work at a pretty large setup/teardown church and you have some great content.
Quick question: are you using ableton to mix for your recordings?
David Vazquez not typically, but I do have ableton. I use presonus studio one to mix. If you have ableton light or intro, it is worth investing in a few plugins because what you have internally is a bit limiting. Waves f6 and waves shepps omni channels are some that I use all the time that can do a lot! If you want free, TDR nova is a great eq and can compress or expand bands of eq based on input dynamics. It can help for when a singer goes from chest voice to head voice, or to help expand a snare in the overheads.
I am glad that you started with trims. One of the coolest mixes I ever did was built on gain matching. I was alone and I was new to the venue and new to the talent, and of course the talent was running late - i.e. not much time to ring-out the microphones. So before the audience was going to come in, I raised the levels of the monitors and the PA above the standard level. Then listened to the sound of the first microphone when I stood on the stage and waved the microphone in front of the closest monitor. Then went to the back of the venue and adjusted channel 1's levels. Took a couple of round-trips for channel 1, but things got actually easier as I added each new microphone and did not turn down the already turned-up individual levels. Had to lower the main level and the monitors a couple of times to keep things just below feedback, kept adding microphones and then finally turned the whole system down before the audience came in. Didn't need much FX that night, and my respect of gain trims grew a little bit.
Jake, how are you outputting the audio into your livestream? Do you run your broadcast from the same computer you run the DAW on? Or do you send audio out of that computer (headphone jack) to a different computer to run the stream?
Same question here.
He pre-records and produces a polished video. Not a true live stream. However, as he said, you can stream it to the video switcher in a live environment.
I use soundflower.... I use ableton to mix and process my audio then i use OBS to stream to FB Live. "Soundflower" creates a audio device on your MAC so it can communicate with other programs And OBS just use as a audio input capture. If You have a pc you can also try 'VB-Cable". www.vb-audio.com/Cable/
@@CrownStudentG How to deal with the Audio latency from DAW when mixed with video ? how to get the perfect sync with Audio latency at the switcher ?
@@damansimba can you give me the link for downloading soundflower
So ur church is recorded, edited and posted online? How does this help for live online church service ?
Using protools you can set the same processing chain and mix it down live. His preference to multi-track record and mix later doesn't deter from the message. The specific example he gave Bethel, use protools to mix a live stream.
We have a much smaller church and the problem we had was that the ambient sounded nothing like the mixer output as the drums and bass were not running through the house. My solution was a little Behringer mixer and a couple of SM58 mics setup by the main mixer. We output this mixer into the computer to stream via the USB output on the mixer. Is it professional? No, but it sounds pretty well balanced and if you buy new you are looking at a couple hundred for a mixer and a couple hundred in mics and a maybe another hundred for mic holders and cables and all the little stuff that everyone neglects to add in. It was a lot cheaper than trying to add additional channels to pickup the stuff we weren't amplifying.
Thank you so much for the master class! I appreciate it very much. Let's look to always do our best for our Lord and Savior. God bless you brother.
I’ve spent around 300 hours remixing our multitrack recordings over the past year, they sound ok now.
lol..
I feel your struggle, I have a Behringer X18 Air due to space restrictions and budget constraints and its a horror show mixing on a ipad
appreciate your hard working
@@AsianJBlazian sounds and looks horrid. We just got the x32 compact for our youth ministry. Its pretty great
@@kalebchoi6372 lucky, lol
Awesome video thank you Jake. Just one thing I disagreed with is the 95% processing, 5% setting mix levels bit. I think mix levels is very crucial to a great mix. You can have a perfectly processed signal, but if its placed too low you may not even hear how great it sounds. One of my pet peeves is hearing live music, seeing say a guitarist play a guitar solo... and you can't even hear it. I think this is where sound techs also being musicians really helps. I know how hard these guys worked on practicing their parts so I try my best to mix so that everyone is heard (appropriately of course). But overall great video, just sent it to my whole team to watch. Thank you and God bless!
I agree mix levels are the most important part. I still think of the Utility gain staging he did, compression, and EQ all as levels as well considering they’re only allowing the right level of certain frequencies, and compressor is keeping the level where it’s supposed to be, and that initial Utility effect kept the level correct even before the EQ and compressor. You’re totally right, just wanted to point out I think it’s maybe 50/50 :)
We have four mics and a keyboard. They all plug into an old Behringer Europower PMX2000 power mixer, and our live output is through the Right/Mono Main output to a pair of speakers. Our worship music comes from the keyboard and a singer (sometimes two) and the mics are used for reading scripture and teaching.
We livestream our services to Facebook through OBS with two cell phone cameras using iVCam through USB connections to a Dell laptop that is running OBS. The audio to OBS is from the 1/4" monitor output jack on the PMX2000 running through a 1/4" to RCA adapter then to a ROXIO VHS to DVD3 PLUS capture device connected to a USB port on the laptop.
The video quality is acceptable but the audio is extremely tinny and "flangy" ... So far we've had no complaints about the audio on the live stream but I just hate the way it sounds, so I'm using a second laptop running Audacity (it also runs OpenLP software for projecting song lyrics) and recording into it from the same Monitor Out source on the PMX2000 through a splitter - except in this case there is a 1/8" aux in port on the older HP laptop and I don't need the ROXIO capture device for it. Since the audio sounds so much better from that computer, I use it when I edit and produce the video from the service to upload it to our TH-cam channel in the afternoon.
Perhaps my problem is in the ROXIO capture device. But since my Dell laptop doesn't have an aux in port, just a single headphone/mic jack that doesn't recognize audio coming in from the PMX2000. is there another way to get the audio into the computer without having to buy another computer or any gear? Our ministry is small and, well, we don't really have money to spend to make things sound good.
Which DAW is best? Why do some use multiple ones at the same time?
I wish this video could have existed at the beginning of COV-19. I've been mixing our recorded worship on a trial version of Studio One. It's been enjoyable with pretty decent results so far, but now trying to decide which DAW to commit to. I'm thinking of jumping to Ableton since I have watched some other tutorials of all the other things that that can do for our worship.
Jadon Haynes look into a DAW like Reaper also!
Do you think that it is important to have the mixing station for the remote broadcast in a different room than the live? I find that in trying to adjust the broadcast while in the sanctuary, I have a great deal of trouble discerning sounds that are in the room from sounds in my headphones, no matter how good the headphones are. Particularly in the bass sounds. In the room, you feel the bass, making it seem louder in the broadcast than it actually is.
Could you please explain how you send your audio from your DAW computer to the video switcher? Do you use an audio interface with outputs that goes into the video switcher?
I'm also waiting for the answer
Me too!!
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Great video, thanks Jake! Can you please go more in depth on the Plugins, like HOW you EQ and how you dial in the compressor, reverb, ... That would be so helpful!
Hey Jake i really like your video, just two qstns. What free software do you recommend using for a church that has a basic sound system setup? Looking forward to your reply. I'd like you to make a video of that if possible!
Any way you could make a video or explain how you could eq on protools live? How do you get all the plugins and eq to go through your stream while the service is happening? i know how to multitrack but no clue how to do it live.
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This is exactly what I’m looking for, if anyone has an answer that would be amazing
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At 23:00 I thought the orange circle in the bottom right corner of the video was paint from my kids. I was mad at first, but then realized it was in the video. Great video!
You are answering my questions .. God sent you are ..
Great video Sir!
I have a few questions if you can please help me out with.
1. How exactly do you send the multi-channel audio from your main board to the DAW laptop that keeps all the channels separate so the DAW recognizes all the individual channels? I use an old ProTools v9 to home record but my (Mbox2) interface that has a max of only 4 simultaneous inputs.
2. Is there a version of Protools you must have for this to work? (I.e., anything older than v9 won't allow this functionality....)
Thank you!
Blessings
To God be the Glory, Thank you Jake for all your help.
It sounds like the primary reason for choosing a DAW is for the effects functionality. My church has a lot of untrained operators and we stream a lot of unrehearsed programs. Wouldn't mic splitters with a simple console such as the Soundcraft SI expression 3 combined with a DAW for effects busses work better? This way the broadcast mix technician doesn't have to worry about improper gain settings on the house board. Beginner operators can operate with an easy to use console, Advanced effects can be done in the DAW while returning the signal to the board for mixdown and output.
Watching this TH-cam from Singapore and thank you so much for letting us know on what is so difference between the audio sound in our Worship Hall & bringing it over the Live Stream 😀. Is a great help & make me understand better now. Thanks alot brother and may God to continue to bless you in the Worship & TH-cam broadcast 🙏
We had nothing for live streaming and we had a basic mixer in a cabinet. Our church spent a few thousand for a ptz camera and an upgrade to the audio with a qu core for more direct control during a service(didn't really have the space for a sound booth). Now we are weak is in mixing the audio and then making it somewhat easier to use. We are a traditional church service so I am not sure we have enough mics for the live stream audio (i.e our organ is picked up as ambient, we have two-floor mics for the piano. We have 2 shotgun mics pointing to each side of the choir loft but are somehow picking up people talking in the back of the sanctuary.). We've had the company come out a few times, but not really focus on a good mix for in house and stream.
I am more versed in video and streaming and the audio is my weakest and am learning much of audio fundamentals and trying to learn what's available on the qu all with the restrictions of covid. Is there a way I can record some of these elements and work with recordings like you did to help build what would make good live stream audio with the equipment I've mentioned?
Jake, great video. One thing I thought about when you were talking about EQ is proximity effect. Rarely does anybody talk about this, but I have 'fixed' a lot of live muddy vocals by not even touching the mixer. I just use 2 words. "Back up!" Lol The majority of the time just backing off the mic a little instantly clears up the mud. You might have to compensate slightly in terms of gain but not enough to introduce feedback or bleed from other sources. And you'll get a much clearer vocal so the words can be understood.
I'm more of a "go ahead and be close and we'll EQ the proximity effect out" guy. The reason for this is that the less gain you have on each individual mic that's open, the less leakage you are likely to have between mics. Every time you have to add gain to open mics in a live mix you pick up some amount of other ambient sound in the space. Sometimes it's negligible (as you mention) and doesn't really bother anything, but if you have acoustic drums on stage and/or guitar and bass amps, you might be picking up more of that than you want by turning up the gain. I find that it's very hard to control the mix overall if I have to turn up gains any more than absolutely necessary. So there's definitely more than one way of thinking about this and you have to apply what works best for your situation.
Isolation > proximity effect. It’s much easier to get a good mix with a well isolated vocal with too much bass/low mid, then a cleaner track with tons of bleed, so I agree with Mark. Better to eat the mic and apply a wide cut at 200hz. (Even better in a DAW, use a dynamic EQ!)
@@RadioMarkCroom I agree. However, in my particular case the lead guy is pretty much by himself (iso drums and little stage volume) so there's not much else that can bleed through. And from my experience it only takes a smidge to really roll off the mud. I study artists who I consider to be some of the best vocalists (i.e. James Taylor and Eric Clapton to name a couple) and it's pretty consistent. The other factor is he normally has guys running the board who aren't real experienced, so if it's set for him to keep from eating the mic he should be ok. Should. Lol
One question. For live streaming, can you use the same computer for livestream and mix the audio in Daw or protool?
You _can_ but it needs to be powerful enough to cope with both.
Excellent video. But I have a few questions:
1. Why set the gain to about -12db? Why not -8db or normalized at -5db?
2. Why do you apply a high pass filter? Why the cut at about 800Hz? Why the boost at 15KHz?
3. Doesn't apply compression reduce the dynamics of the singer? What is a good ratio? When to use 2x ration as oppose to 6x ratio?
4. Is there any advantage to have dry reverb on a separate track as oppose to the same track? Can we add reverb to a mixed track, vocal and instruments?
I think the reason why online service sounds not as good as live is because online service has audio lossy compression when high or low frequencies are ignore. Live worship has the harmonic, overtone and undertone to bring out the richness of the music.
1. Just to make the signal healthier. Better control on the inserted effects especially on the threshold. 2. Cut the low end frequency of the vocals to make room for the bottom end focused instruments/tracks. 3. Yes it would reduce the dynamics but it will make the vocals sit on top of the intruments. 4. Dry reverb on each track for better control, bus routed reverb is easier though.
@Cyril Cero has some good answers here, but I'll throw a little bit of alternative view into the "mix" here. 1. Basically I'm in agreement here: - 12db gives you more room to boost where appropriate in effects (or with live console EQ if you're analog). Basically it's a good industry standard for raw "starting point" live mix levels. 2. The point of the high pass filter on the vocal is not to reduce any of the vocal, but to reduce proximity effect from the mics being worked closely, and any low-end pickup from the non-directional frequencies of the other things happening on the stage (kick and tom of acoustic drums, bass amp, etc). It's mostly for LIVE situations, in my opinion. Not as needed for produced up deals where there's not much low end sound happening around the vocal mic. Don't undermine the vocalists' natural quality by setting the high pass too threshold frequency too high. The cut at 800 is likely specific to Jake's vocal, or just his vocal on that track (maybe the acoustic guitar was leaking through around there). The boost at 15kHz is very much a matter of taste. There's very little happening there on any vocal track; I think a bit of boost at 12kHz is a better choice on many tracks. 3. Yes, compression reduces the dynamics of any track to which it is applied. I do not like straight compressors for this, but prefer a compressor with a downward expander, it's just less offensive to my ear. You heard how the compressor on Jake's track seemed to pump up his breathing -- I personally dislike that. But sometimes you really need the compression for other reasons. I don't want to compress more than 2:1 if I can possibly help it. I never use more than 3:1 period, but that's just me. 4. I don't have enough first hand experience using reverb to give a good answer on this. I only ever have one reverb option available so it goes either on a sub-mix or the whole mix (then it's used in very small amounts). Finally, lossy audio compression does remove a certain fullness from the mix that is more important than the codec designers seem to think. But it is what it is we must deal with it. Our church streams to TH-cam and Facebook as well as a dedicated streaming platform via our website; in my opinion there is difference between the three when I listen back to them and I find Facebook less offensive to my ear than the other platforms. Not sure what they may be doing differently but that's my take at the moment.
Many smaller churches have analog or older consoles that don’t offer an interface built into them. Some are using their phones to stream right now. They’re taking an aux send signal to their phones. It’d be a great idea to do a video on cheap, budget-friendly workflows for churches who don’t have that Bethel money. Most churches don’t have that Bethel money.
The iPhone is one of the best on a low budget and it is great just get a audio interface that is los compatible send the audio from your console to the interface and you are ready to go
You, Deedre are SO right! That is exactly where our church is coming from. Back in analog LOCAL days, huge systems with bang-on speakers were "The Thing", but not when you are attempting to send digitally clipped megabits over the internet to everything from flip-phones to quad-core computers all over the world.
Solution? Go big or go home?
No! Learn how to work both modes. And right there is where I and many other small church engineers are at a disadvantage.
What to buy? How to connect? And most importantly, how to configure and broadcast over the internet AND.. still project audio efficiently for a growing senior population who can't hear the worship and the preaching through old technologically-inferior hearing aids.
We need help. Thank you.
And keep rockin'.. and PEACE in Jesus Christ. No Jesus, no peace.
We currently use a Mackie 32 Channel analog mixer. We use aux channel for our live stream mix. Suggestions on what to do to improve our setup? I have one signal sent to our live stream Can I add reverb, compression, etc. to the entire mix?
We have an analog Allen&Heath GL2400 board. What options are there for introducing some kind of DAW processing into the live mix?
You would need to use the direct outs for each channel and feed those into some sort of interface that had enough inputs to mix everything independently. While the GL2400 is nice (I own one) it would be better to just buy an X32.
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Hey Brother, so it means that after you mix this track you have recorded...can we save the mix, gain, eq's, compressions and fx you have used and use it on our next FOH and broadcast sessions? Thanks...Godbless
Have learned so much , thanks for the vedio
I have this question ,how can this work using analog console
We had trouble getting enough head space for the bass guitar and kick drum for folks listening on phones and tablets. We ended up running a saturation plug-in. We also have to compare the mix between our studio headphones and cheap set to simulate phone speakers.
Good stuff. We are doing this set up using Reaper DAW. However we are having issues with latency. Have you ever had that problem? Our audio is just s bit behind the video. Trying to find a solution
Can you explain the chain more? You take the out from the audio interface to the video switcher then?? After it’s mixed in laptop...
Dude thank you soooo much, our church is growing and we need to start using audio and live-streaming, I was so overwhelmed by the audio part but this video cleaned up so much, thanks you, God bless
We are using Yamaha MGPX24 analog mixer in our church. How can we do multi track recording?. Do we need to add 1 more mixer for livestreaming or better buy a new Digital mixer?
I’d love to learn how to do this on livestream. How would you get the mix from the laptop to the media guy?? Can you save the mix you made for every Sunday?
when you're going for the direct-from-daw livestream option, how would you advise mixing on the fly and getting good reference audio to make sure that what you're hearing is going to be true and consistent across various quality of speakers and headphones for the listeners on the other end?
That's a good question. I have the same doubt.
Very nice video. I have been a church musician and operated a recording equipment of my own for many years. Different churches, bands, and even genres of music....and several instruments. I finally “retired” from it. My current church takes highschool or college kids who know absolutely nothing about mixing music, not the first thing, and puts them in the booth mixing. Their training is how to flip it all on and that is it. Worse.... they dont even know what they dont know. No ear for music. I love all of your videos.... but fundamentals go back even further than you took them here. Please keep up the good work. I have shared this video with my pastor and worship pastor. At some level perhaps they will begin to understand at least some of the skill that is requires.
Very educative, please can my yamaha mgpx32 support multi-track recording?
I'm interested in the way you compress vocals.
You have a fairly slow attack normally I'd use that attack for dynamic instruments like drums, is there a specific reason for slow attack on vocals? I've never thought of doing it like that and just wondering about the thinking :)
Great video :)
Can you get the same results just doing the mixing with the board or should you really use the DAW? So if using something like pro tools on mac, i would send the mix from the borad (we have the touchmix 30) to a computer running pro tools and do the mix and then send it to the streaming computer. ( we are using a pc now running vmix for the stream.) We will be getting a new m2 mac mini soon so we will be using more then likey wirecast. But if we would consider getting pro presenter 7 can you stream right from that?
I have a few fundamental concerns here, although some of the concepts are addressed in a manner easy to understand. For pretaped services, absolutely, we should be mixing in a DAW. As per live content, it can be quite risky and not as cost effective as presented. The issue is the cost doesn't include the computer, and to mix live in a DAW you need a very robust computer. You also need a good understanding of how much latency and CPU drain is being applied with each of the plugins you choose. Bethel does sound great, but it has a great engineer behind the mix who likely chose to mix in ProTools so he or she could take advantage of various plugins and expand creativity. However that engineer could also probably create an amazing broadcast focused mix on a consumer level console utilizing the concepts you begin to present in the video. But it does bring in a certain level of risk. In fact most broadcast music mixing facilities have moved from mixing in a DAW to utilizing consoles with plugin servers. Just something to think on.
Aggre.
yeah on the Bethel tech tour video, they were mixing on a laptop for a conference, but for their regular weekends it was ProTools running through a giant analog mixer with lots of outboard gear. But the DAW solution is feasible for some scenarios. I know a church that does it and it sounds great.
You’re completely right but the one thing I’ll point out is I believe those Ableton effects use MUCH less CPU than 3rd party plugins. I have 16GB of RAM And even with 30-50 tracks including VSTs I almost never have issues with CPU.
@@jasongravely7217 would you recommend a Macbook Air for this, m1chip, 16RAM and 256GB SSD?, only to Mix in the DAW like Logic Pro?, not to record, only to Process the audio with stock plugins
You can mix live just don't over do it with compressors and limiters and eq it along the way for smoothness and don't expect to make it sound like an album.
Hey Jake. I’m really considering setting up a live broadcast mix like you have but how do you make sure it’s stable? How do I make sure that it doesn’t drop out/ runs smoothly and stable, and how to I route the audio out of ableton and into my recording software?
Bro pls do a video how do you convert the audio from daw to live streaming sw. and I am not able to get the individual track from my Allen mixer
using REAPER on an x32... looking for best routing to take my REAPER mix, put it back into my x32 (channels 31, 32?) and then route to my matrix out... mainly looking for ideas on REAPER matrix settings... thanks
Thanks, Just want to ask if we still need to replace our analog mixer (Sound Craft MPMI) that don't have USB port? We are only using audio box and plug it in the mixer aux. Thanks
Thank you. Please can you do an in depth video on mixing in real time with a laptop.
Want a huge hack for vocals? Download waves CLA vocals plugin. Been using it the last couple months, combines simple eq, compression, reverb, delay and a stereo spread option. If you don’t have a strong grasp on, or simply don’t have the interest in spending hours dialing in all the setting of the plug ins jake was explaining, the cla vocals plug in is awesome. Has a bunch of presets ( I always start with the “live room” setting) and your 90% there. Really, you can’t make a bad sounding vocal with this plug in.
What do you use for auto tune?
Ebz War, I use waves tune which is a lot more Tim consuming bit gives you the ability to really fine tune notes or I use waves tune real time. Real time is more of a set it and let it do it’s thing. Both work well.
Some interesting points at the end, there, about gear and how to accomplish this... and the trump card of “this is how Bethel does it” kinda can’t be beat, LOL, but I’d add a few caveats:
1. You do not need to “spend $50,000” on a second mixing console. That may have been hyperbole, of course, but you can get a Behringer X32 or WING for $2500-$3500... still a lot, of course, but not nearly as much as king-of-the-hill MIDAS.
2. I would imagine that most sound techs would still want a control surface of some sort to mix on, if they are actively mixing for live streaming. Yes, even spending $3500 for a glorified control surface may be overkill, some may want options to accomplish this. At the least, devices like the X-Touch or Faderport could be quite useful, and are far less expensive than even the two Behringer boards I mentioned.
Just some food for thought. You generally give great advice here, Jake, and I don’t dispute that. :)
Good Day Jake, I wish you can make depth tutorial, step by step process how you sync audio from DAW and multi camera capture videos.
Use a clapboard (or just clap) then you see the clap on the daw and all the cameras, the viola, you’re done
There's an app called plural eyes which will do it for you as long as you have reference audio on all cameras. Its amazing. Try it out.
@@JamieDSilva1 Hey Bro, tnx for the info, I will try that. God Bless
@@SllieNRhymesWithSpleenI wanna clarify myself here, what you're trying to say is, you just click the record button on all the cameras first then after that you clap once?
June Mark Wales pretty much, you just gotta make sure that all the cameras see the clap, or if they’re out of frame, clap in front of each camera so you can line it up later in post
I'm so happy to gain this knowledge.
Hello Jake, can Studio One do this? If yes, how will I send the output to my visual mixer for broadcast? 🤔 And also, must I be recording before I can send the audio?
We are a small church and getting started with a Behringer x18. Can we get a good FOH mix and a good stream mix as an Aux put from the mixer instead of going through a DAW?
hello,
Thank you for the interesting video. All your videos are very informative.
I am interested in mixing a stream live in a daw.
There are a few more questions for me here.
Are there problems with latency when mixing in a DAW and can there be problems when trying to synchronise the video and audio signal?
Is there a video you can recommend on these questions?
Thanks in advance
Christian
Another alternative to using a daw would be having an aux out on your board, mixing sends on that aux out, then sending that signal to your stream.
This is what we do
Thanks! This video helped me a lot to understand what I need to study in order to improve our broadcasting. Blessings!
Jake, how do you deal with latency between the audio that you send and the video already captured in your switcher? I mean, here in my setup (basically the same of yours) I have my audio mix about 42ms later than my video (maybe more). So In a speech it is possible to perceive the difference in time betwen audio and video. It so annoying...
Whatever you use be it switcher or Vmix or Boxcast should have a video delay option. It's better to delay video to audio than the other way around. No one cares that they're a minute 30 later than the live experience.
@@andyxprophet Yes, I know that the livestreaming is delayed a minute or more. It is normal. The problem is the sync with video. This is my problem. Our switcher is BlackMagic (whole system, from cameras to encoders), and in our equipments we don't have any solution to video delay. BlackMagic has equipment to do that, but is too expensive in our contry (Brazil). So I'm looking for another solution... if it exist... You've mention the Boxcast! We use their service. I will look in settings, may be there is a option for video delay.
thank you for this! noted on the Gain, EQ, Reverb and Delay!
Hi! We have an SI impact and logic on the computer.
how do i connect this mix to the streaming software? we are looking at wirecast for streaming.
Which version of ableton you have? We are getting the Allen and Heath SQ-5 this week. I wanna make sure our live stream is on point.
Thank you, Bro. Jake.
If we are streaming live, can't all of the adjustments in the workflow be done on a good digital console like an SQ6? It seems to have all of the adjustments as in a DAW.
Love the video! Thank you so much! The only question that comes to mind is how would I connect the mixed sound from a laptop to an iPad that runs Switcher Studio?
We mix our live broadcast audio on a seperate bus on the x32 and send it via usb (asio-stereo) to our streaming software. Do we really need a daw? Is it so much outstanding?
Hi! I’m a volunteer tech, currently our church have Allen&Heath GLD 112. Sadly I can only mix 2track main mix which leads me to use another 8channel analog console & use GROUP Bus per channel from GLD. Still sound doesnt great on livestream, any help or recommendations?
I am happy watching you Jake, you're gradually give me solutions to my problems in church, but there is another issue,
For some churches that have there mixing console live in the church, It's gonna be difficult mixing audio for the live stream in the church environment, the noise will make it difficult for you to be able to mix a good audio for the stream.
I don't know if you understand what I meant 😂
Amazing video, but what if your pastor refuses to upgrade from a 100% analog mixer?
Not much you can do, just run an output from your analog mixer to an audio interface. You won’t be able to mix your audio, it’ll all just be one recording though. Maybe suggest fund raising for a new mixer???
Try to borrow a digital mixer from someone who is willing and do a multitrack recording with your band. Mix it, master it and then go play the same song without any mixing live to your pastor. When he/she hears both, and sees the effort, he/she may change her mind. 😓
As a Senior Pastor of a church plant, I've totally been where your pastor perhaps is now. In time, I came to the realization that tech and worship investments, done thoughtfully can and will bring glory to God. I'm reminded of what Paul said to the Colossians; Whatever you do, do it enthusiastically, as something done for the Lord and not for men, knowing that you will receive the reward of an inheritance from the Lord. You serve the Lord Christ. - Colossians 3:23-24. Pray and don't give up. 😊
Nice to find this kind of stuff finally. I'm a pastors kid and guitar player at our church I have a home studio and would like to do this for us thanks for the vid
Cool! Start cranking out the music :)
A separate audio interface is needed to get the mix from the DAW to the switcher for live streaming , am I right?
This video implies that the viewers have a digital mixing console. What would you recommend for a church that has an analog mixing console for streaming live worship? Considering that there is no way to equalize the channels by separate...
Do I really need a DAW?... Thanks for the video Jake - I really do appreciate it! As we currently are using a Yamaha LS32, so it doesn't have the capabilities of outputting to a DAW. We need to upgrade the mixing console and am considering the flexibility of the the Behringer Wing that gives you the capabilties of capturing multitack. Can/should we do a broadcast mix straight on the console - in place of a DAW?
Tim Collard I personally think, mixing it right on the stream is better...but harder to achieve a good result.
Live is live, when the service is over, no post production is needed. But you have to practice far more, and implement all effects and eq etc beforehand.
I witnessed good technicians, mixing a whole band down to stereo, and it sounded awesome. It took a lot of experience and time, though
No, if the livestream is actually live so no pre recorded worship you wont be able to mix it effectively on a DAW get a decent 2 input audio interface and send your left and right output to the interface. So for me during this COVID-19 thing my church started streaming and we just did that. Works great. For live and livestream you will definitly want a separate mix. Maybe a post fader bus with some extra reverb on it. Not the best option but it's a decent one that doesnt force you to spend a lot of money.
The Wing also allows direct SD card multi track recording via it's 'Wing Live' SD card expansion module. I'm hoping this function deletes the need for a DAW for when we need to do post mixing. Currently we record music and release so it's not true live. Right now, we don't know what the long term delivery will be. if we are going to go true livestream, or post, we (hopefully) should be able to achieve both without a DAW.
Tim Collard a DAW is actually a powerful tool, especially for correcting and automating stuff. If I have to do post production, a DAW is first choice.
But if you are able to mix everything down to your stream in a good quality, you have to work far less afterwards.
Thanks much.. Could you please also do a step by step video on how to broadcast out of the mixed sound of steaming laptop and where to get a template for those that need a little help. Thanks again!
Hey Jake, I've been following Churchfront for a while and really like your videos! Some thoughts on that video:
We are a church who just recently got into live-streaming but my brothers and I are in to video production for a while. As we have to invest in our current set up to make it "livestream-proof" I were deciding whether to go for DAW or a mixing desk. Here is why I decided to go for the mixing desk in the end:
1. Using a DAW I find it more difficult to create a appealing live-stream mix quickly. Maybe it is just me but I find it easier to use a sound desk and just jump to the knobs that I need. Also I find it, that muting and unmuting channels is quicker and easier with a sound desk as well as adjusting levels.
2. Most of our volunteers wouldn't know how to operate a DAW and if so they wouldn't be experienced. But finding the same sound desk as on the FOH with the exact same layout makes it way easier for them to jump onto the livestream.
And 3. which I think this is the most important reason: In your documentary the bethel sound engineer says that they've been using a Protools template that has been optimised especially for them for years and I also think that you bought a preset for your service which costs a couple hundred dollars as well as needing to buy loads of Plug ins.
So this is why I think we will be heading for the 2nd mixing console (Nothing fancy) but I would love to hear what you think about it and if you agree with some of my points!
Much love and thank so much for all the work you do!
I think Jake's approach should have been to say here is an alternative to buying a second mixing console, instead of saying buying a 2nd mixing console is wrong. Because both have their advantages and disadvantages, of which you have listed the some of the advantages of a 2nd console. In the recording world this is the typical "hardware vs plugins" debate. But on the flip side, it might be worth investing in learning how to mix on a DAW, because there is a level of control in evening out your sound that you might not get on your console, especially if you don't have a fancy one.
But it will take time. As a worship leader and self taught sound guy (because I had no choice as there was no1 to do it) I can tell you it took some trial and error, lots of youtube tutorials. For example it might seem easy enough looking at that vocal chain Jake has in Ableton and to think I'm just going to put an eq and compressor plugin and I'm good. Learning how to actually eq and compress using the right settings is not a walk in the park. Unfortunately it's not easy as just "dialing in the settings".
It's certainly not an immediate or even short term solution going the DAW mixing route, more so if you don't have anyone on your team who is familiar with at least one DAW. I think for the long run it's a worthy investment though
Great video. But how do we get Audio from a DAW to the livestream. Like from a DAW to OBS
Is it recommendable, as an alternative, to use an Aux mix out of the mixer with different levels and plug in settings from the FOH to use as the streaming audio feed?
Can you use 2 mics to capture stereo in the sanctuary where the live stream is? To get ok sound while you work on ramping up the live stream mix?
I would love to know his answer for this
House mics are mostly used to hear and interact with the congregation, but since there isn’t so much of a congregation due to covid it would add a “live” feel, but might as well take advantage of having a clean studio recording
Alexander Isaac good answer
Hi do you have any online training for sound set up? Specialy for live streaming audio set up
thank u man... hmm i use dgtal mixer and route to DAW softwarre ( cubase 10.5) to my laptop for broadcast mixing... so can i send the audio mix from my laptop ( cubase) to another pc/laptop ?? i means sent to obs.. bcouse the audio from my laptop and the obs from another lptop to stream like a fb and youtube... so how to connect / sent it? please help sir...
I’m the sound engineer in my church and I need help guys. Worship sounds terrible online and I want to fix the problem...
Hey bro! What are your computer specs and have you had any issues with your cpu overloading in Pro Tools or Ableton. And did you switch from Pro Tools to Ableton because of those reliability issues? Thanks in advance
I am referring to a live scenario and recording/monitoring for unexpended period of time
If I'm using an analog mixer is it still possible to get the separate channels to mix individually? I will have to use the FX sends and they have dedicated knobs. But will I be able to get these separate channels in Ableton, or will it be one mix that I have to control on the analog mixer using the FX knobs?
Waaooo!!!
I have passion to learn this tech but opportunity is not yet seen but I see it now approaching.
How would you feel if you trained me how to achieve that knowledge Sir!
Just keep studying videos like this. You'll get there :)
The point of a "separate mixing station" isn't about whether that mixer is a console or a PC that has software doing the same thing. The reason for a separate station is to move audio mixing for the live stream out of the room so that the person mixing the live stream can hear the live stream without bleed through from the sound in the room.
Noise canceling headphones. Problem solved, money saved, and renovation not required.
@@tystorz, except, now you are listening to a modified version of the sound of what is going out over the stream.
i have a question Jake; please recording in pro tools, Ableton Live and in Audition; i currently record in audition, what should we take
Thanks for your presentation..its very helpful..GBU
Amen! Thank you... Awesome👏👏👏
Man ! You are the best ! I have a question is it possible to route the mixing console someway with Ableton for live mixing ? You know, use the sends of the console to Ableton and then return the signal with the Dsp to the console for FOH? I hope this makes sense . Greetings from mexico !
Hi Jake, if a church doesn't have a band, but the worship team uses a backtrack from whichever worship band, would there be any copyright issues if these worship sessions were to be uploaded on TH-cam?
Question! With mixing on the computer for the online experience are you able to save your template for the next time? Just trying to think of saving time especially if you’re mixing for live service and not having to eq every single week from scratch. Any advice or other videos on that?
Also, I’m currently using Adobe Audition for editing...would you recommend Ableton over that?
Question for Jake or anyone that knows. I understand the point of having the mixing board for your individual inputs, but what is the point of having a DAW connected to the board for the processing of individual channels if you can do all the processing on the board itself? Also, is GarageBand a viable option instead of ProTools or Logic?
Hello sr . Thank you for sharing . This will help our church live stream. gobless
Hi bro! What are the requirements in hardware for one to be able to use Logic pro (the software that you're using)?