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In-depth analysis of Daemon Targaryen.
Daemon Targaryen is George R. R. Martin's favourite Targaryen and he's one of the controversial characters in the world of Game of Thrones. Is he a villain? What's his part in the Dance of Dragons? What'll he do in House of the Dragon Season 2? In this video, you'll have some answers about him.
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Matt Smith - *”The only true loyalty he’s got is to his dragon”*
Good assessment, as if all the others are less scum!
Matt Smith - "Daemons loyalty for him is his brother, and his wife, and his offspring, dragon, bloodline, , that is it... Everything else is up for grabs"
Without his dragon he loses his identity
What i love so much about daemon is the fact that the way people argue about in real life is probably the same way people argued about him in the books. Great vid btw
It’s hard to tell since Fire & Blood is written like an in-world history book. That’s why I really enjoy the show because we’re seeing the actual POVs of the people involved instead of just hearing an account from a Maester using sometimes conflicting sources.
The most fascinating, interesting and chaotic character in the HotD by far. Matt Smith is killing it.
Daemons scene against the crab feeder is what makes aemond outmatched in my opinion . I don’t know if aemond would have been stupid enough to actually try that , but daemon was and he pulled it off which makes him a total wild card .
Aemond is scary because he is very smart and powerful.
daemon is scary because he’s extremely impulsive yet very capable of backing up that impulsiveness
Same people call Daemon Grey but also call Tywin Evil. Even tho they do the same things for their family and yes even insulting/threatening/killing their own family members without remorse. If you think Daemon wouldn't massacre Rob Stark and his kin you're delusional. Plus both Daemon and Tywin had weak father figures Titos/Viserys and both hold the Targeryen/Lannister values above anything else and embody them.
The difference is that Tywin was machiavellian and Daemon was impulsive. Daemon would never have enough patience for the machinations needed to pull off something like the Red Wedding. I think that's why we generally think of cold schemers as being more "evil" than violent hotheads like Daemon, it's because they are more dangerous and can apply their psychopathy more effectively due to their patience and cunning. Also, I think that characters that act on their emotions, good or bad, are more compelling to us than those cold, calculating ones. I find Tywin to be an infinitely more disgusting character for these reasons
I don't see them as the same at all. Tywin only cared about the family name, not the family. Hell, he even disowned Jaime when he refused to leave the Kingsguard after losing his hand. Daemon on the other hand loved his actual family members, Viserys and Rhanyra, but I don;t see much evidence that he gave a crap about the family name. One loves abstractions, the other loves people.
Twyin tried to have tyrion killed for nothing. He was evil
Tywin abused the hell out of Tyrion though. Daemon is just a loose cannon, not a deliberate schemer like Tywin.
@@natedogg890 They both have the same level of evil in them, but Daemon is just more inept-evil and stupid. I prefer evil characters who perform their actions with sense, aiming to be efficient and effective. I find it's more disgusting to see characters who are willing to commit the same horrid actions but cannot be efficient and effective, resulting in unjustifiable means.
Daemon is not evil in the sense Joffrey was evil. He's not sadistic nor cruel (unless necessary). He is a power monger, he enjoys the bloodlust of combat and he enjoys planning for his war. I would say he is lawful evil, Laris Strong would be neutral evil, and the mad king would be chaotic evil
I mean, he murdered his wife though 🤷
Like, he does the occasional good thing, and he's a phenomenal character, but that's not particularly lawful
@@Dasycottus Rhaenyra wanted vengeance, she gave Daemon the “look” and he knew what he has to do. He also wanted to do it, not only for the sake of pleasing Rhaenyra, but also for the sake of hurting the Hightowers. It was what Rhaenyra wanted (to kill Aemond), it is what Daemon wanted according to his desire for vengeance and it is also what they needed to do in order to deal a devastating blow to the Hightowers. But let’s not forget that Daemon did this after what Aemond did. That’s why he said “an eye for an eye, a son for a son”. It didn’t mattered if it was Aemond or Jahaerys: in Daemons twisted mind, the death of either was lawful, because it was fair for the death of Luke. That’s why he’s lawful evil: he doesn’t commit evil acts for the sake of evil or madness, but because he thinks it’s what’s necessary to protect his family, to hurt his enemies and to bring him closer to the Iron Throne.
You got that the other way around. Daemon is neutral evil while Larys is lawful evil.
So much potential for Daemon in S2 just squandered
Daemon wasn’t even present in the books when lady rhea got killed. Just another way for the show writers to make Daemon look worst then he actually is.
Greens cry about not following books but are happy to slander Daemon based on show
Add: emasculation, bad father is a real upset, he went to Harrenhall to raise an army FOR Rhaenyra, which he DID, *by himself… Was immune to Alys Rivers, no Oscar Tully. This whole Harrenhal thing with Alys Rivers has taken his character in a totally different direction. The show must have plans for going in this direction, but still could’ve done the end result without.
2 videos in 3 days??? THIS GUY IS COOKING GREAT VIDEO AGAIN!!!
GRRM: “He was made of light and darkness in equal parts”
Sara Hess in s2: “He was made of darkness”
OMG if you really want to understand why Daemon is the way he is, you should watch this video. Amazing thank you!
Not the best video
George wasn’t wrong about Daemon… but I think the writers of the tv show are
i’d argue that in spirit daemon was the last of the true dragonlords of the freehold
"it's like hearing that your father never saw you as his true son"
This line applies to Aegon as well, the first born son that was never acknowledged as heir by his father also Vicerys never even paid attention to him.
A man who lived selfishly his whole life but died doing a selfless act.
Daemon knew, he wouldn't be alive after the dragon battle with Aemond. He just did what was possibly the best option. He took down Aemond along with himself.
He could’ve asked Nettles to join him or try to wait. I think Daemon was tired of living. At this point he lost too much & lived too long. Better to die in glorious battle against the monster was Aemon for the blacks than living.
Selfishly
Daemon never died
@@ReturnOfChef WTF? Is he immortal or something?
When people where saying that Daemon is evil and there is not reason to liked him or something like that, as I have never read the books so I didn't know anything more than the show and what people said, I understood immediately why George R. R. Martin likes Daemon. and I too used Alignments for this.
In his world there is nobody that is just good, and is just evil, and is not just because he is trying to be realistic but I think it has to do that his world is obviously a reference to the medieval times, where things like gRape where normal, things like abusing your kids because they behave badly, and using cruel punishment for little things.
I think he meant that in the world he created, Daemon is morally "gray".
A serial killer who targets only children and women would be gray if someone wants to view said person that way. So all this black gray white stuff isn't a big deal. Its a spectrum, only the people at the very ends get to not be called grey, every one else is grey. Its the norm. ASOIAF universe barely have Dark Lord type of characters, just like real life.
@@rexibhazoboa7097 mmm again in alignments, you are evil if you enjoy torture of people, you are neutral if you enjoy the torture of people that have wrong you and you are good if in general you don't enjoy it at all. I think Daemon is neutral, is just about what benefits him.
They made Daemon look good in the show by making him tell Cheese to kill Aemond. While in the books, Daemon specifically wanted Jaeherys dead and instructed accordingly.
*according to maesters and mushroom. Maybe in the books it happened in the same way?
@@movieverse2626 bruh, You really think Blood and Cheese could kill Aemond Targaryen, even if they wanted to? Gods, you're just dëlüsïœnal.
@Papaty25 This is actually a great point. Daemon wouldn't be stupid enough to think two bozos stood a chance at killing Aemond. It's one of many bizarre changes that ruined the entire "Blood and Cheese" sequence for me.
@@SolarDragon007 Exactly.
They made Daemon look bad in a show by making him kill his wife too.
Idk what books you read but Mysaria hired the blood and cheese and not Daemon.
He only asked her to hire and orchestrate on his behalf, son for a son got misinterpreted in message.
the scenes are very well picked. good job.
He's the best character. Most interesting without doubt with so many nuances and much complexity. I love it. Also, Matt nailed the role
I still don’t understand why Daemon taking out all the trashbags of the kingdom during a time where a lot of foreigners from the other kingdoms would be there was a bad thing. If I had any criminal tendencies and knew this is what would happen, I’d immediately stop thinking about it. Leniency feeds them.
Thay just hate Daemon and they will find anything to justify it. Like he hasn’t already done enough bad stuff.
He’s like if Jaime and Ramsay were mixed.
Yeah, Ramsay went to far about too insignificant stuff, Daemon, so far, did not (in the TV series).
Hell noo
What the Harrenhal visions showed us in the season 2 of the show was important to understand Daemon's psyche: He sees his own mother in Rhaenyra. He isn't truly interested in the throne, he needs Rhaenyra's approval and forgiveness, since he can't have it from his mother since she died from childbirth.
I don't think so Mrs. BookfreakyLady.
None of that shit happened in books, they just butchered his character completely.
He never had to ask blackwoods for the crimes that crown couldn’t be seen doing. He never executed lord blackwood. Tully boy never walks over him. He wasn’t even looking crown for himself. He didn’t go to Harrenhall after a fight with Rhaenerya. He didn’t met blood and cheese face to face.
Such a great character, they had to ruin it.
Deamon just feels like a human version of elric.
Nah
Elric of Melnebione? Nah more like a human version on his Cousin Yrkoon.
@@DevonMostert-kk2et i actually agree
also an important distinction: it’s not necessarily targaryen values he follows, it’s the morals of the valyrians of old. they believed themselves to be almost demigods, above the laws of ordinary men
1. Actually he attacked Rhaenyra not because Vyseris told her about the prophecy but because he in that instant realized in his mind that Rhanyra is weak talking mumbo jumbo about prophecies and dreams.
He doesnt even know about the Song of Ice And Fire and whether passing it from ruler to ruler was a sign of trust between a ruler and the person he wants to choose.
He simply is irritated that she takes into consideration such things in the face of war.
So the narrator of this video is wrong to think Daemon is angry that Vyseris told her that story but not to him.
Daemon is angry because he thinks Rhaenyra's mind is not focused on the situation at hand.
2. Also Daemon didnt seek the approval of his brother like a son does from his father. He didnt care what Vyseris thinks because he considers him weak ruler. he has no respect for him. He does have love for him however but seeking for his approval? not really
Agree with the first point he didn’t care about some story his brother told her he was angry she wasn’t as angry as him in that moment
What I like about a well written Chaotic character is by definition their personality is all over the place. On the one hand you make the argument that Daemon is a lawful character (most definitely not a lawful good character but he does display behaviors from time to time that suggest he could be) on the one hand he’s self centered, but on the other hand he’s loyal to his faction as he sees it and to his own personal code.. which is all over the place.
I think this video kind of got away a bit from the point it seemed initially to be about. That being said, still a good video. And a good analysis of Daemon.
I like to think that daemon is a watered down Maegor. He wasn’t nearly as brutal and maegor but possessed his ruthlessness and cunning to a certain degree. Also much like Maegor he thought his elder brother was a pushover and a weakling and like Maegor seeks to make people fear the Targaryen’s with brutality
He also does what he believes will help protect or strengthen his family like Maegor did, at least with the family members he actually cares about.
Maegor is like a Targaryen’s Tywin
Think? He was pushover and weakling. Most decision were made by Otto from what we saw in the show unless its about Rhaenerya
So my read on Daemon is a man who is capable of anything-which is a lot more common than we’d like to admit in real life and especially in a world like Westeros- but he gets an especial kick out of the worst things he’s capable of. He might make up some lines he theoretically wouldn’t cross but he has a plan on how, when, and why he’d cross those lines in a given situation or even a given mood. Example, it’s reasonable to assume he’s drawn a line that exempts Rhaenyra from his worst acts and impulses… unless he decides he needs to and wants to. The man’s a loose cannon except this particular cannon is constantly loaded and can literally fire a nuke in the form of fire breathing dragon and oh yeah he’s one of the best warriors in the world.
Nice work! Love your analysis of Daemon. He's a truly complex character. Ty ❤
probably the best video i’ve seen talking about daemon some great insights here
Always remember.
Everything written in the books is based on the perspective of a given character.
Everything and anything that character says might be ultimately deemed on an objective level "wrong" when it comes to historical facts in that world since it is their subjective point of view and interpretation.
It is an easy and cheap way out for George to correct certain events and how and why they happened as the seasons go along.
There’s nothing easy or cheap about it. The way Fire and Blood is written reflects the way actual history books were created. Perspective matters, oftentimes even more than facts, and some would even argue that facts do not exist and we only have more or less accurate interpretations.
Well made video bro!!!! Like many characters in the series, he has a lot of well written layers to him.
imo the way he acts makes perfect sense and makes the character very human, just like Aemond.
he's strong, very capable and he knows he'd have made a better king than his older brother, still he loves his family and wouldn't betray them
I don't think he's entirely loyal to the traditional Targaryen values. One of my favorite scenes with Daemon was when he gave the Stepstones to Viserys. Going by the traditional Targaryen values of power and conquest, he would've been more likely to simply use his newfound Kingdom to push his own claim or take Westeros by force. The only dragon that he'd have to fight would be Syrax, who was young and inexperienced, so he likely could've just taken the throne.
No, I think he was guided more by his loyalty to his family, specifically to Viserys and used strength and fear to try to protect Viserys. As you said in the video, Daemon saw Viserys as weak, dude didn't even claim a dragon after Balarion. Daemon frequently tested Otto, maybe because he saw Otto for the power-hungry man he was and wanted to help Viserys see that. He took the egg and wanted Viserys to get it back, to teach him how to be authoritative and resolute as a King. He didn't truly test Viserys position as king because Daemon never truly wanted to be king. Unlike show Aemond, who saw himself as the better king and took the crown himself, Daemon loves Viserys and wanted to help him be the strong king Daemon would've been.
Daemon is not a beacon of mortality. He's not a good person, and he is more of a bad person. The reason he's a bad person is because he realized Viserys needed someone like Daemon. He's loyal to Viserys above all else, including Viserys' own children go figure. That's what makes him such an interesting character.
Watching those clips made me remember how much better season one was compared to season 2
Daemon Targaryen : A Narcissistic 101
He's still the most important character on the show he's the main reason I keep watching he keeps the excitement levels very high with his unpredictable nature
Daemon Targaryen never had the makings of a varsity athlete
He is very much like jaime Lannister
I wish they could do better with Blood and Cheese. They don't want to show Daemon as evil as he is. Disappointing.
They want him to be evil as the devil on Rhaenrya shoulders but recognize we cannot make him completely evil because they are scared of what viewers gonna say. That why I hate television over books because showrunners are concerned about viewerships leaving where authors just do it.
So true, they really make Daemon a sweetheart by showing him choking his wife, being responsible for the murder of a child, and murdering his first wife. True whitewashing, am i right?
I see ppl say this but then the fan base acts otherwise with the way they hate him
Meh, I disagree about your opinion on the "brutal raid through the streets". It was totally justified, as the ones he put down by the sword were just bunch of animals. When he was lord commander of the gold clocks, the streets of kings landing were pretty much quite during the night. As the animals knew what would happened when they woke up the dragon from the castle.
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He's a bad boy, but he's not completely evil. He's consumed with guilt about killing Aegon's little boy. He loves his family and loved his brother. He's no Ramsay Bolton or Joffrey Baratheon. He's so much more complex.
The most interesting part about Daemon is how women watching the show view him.. On pen and paper you would assume that he would be hated to what he does to people/to women.. But nope, he's a heartthrob!
True and what’s crazy in Fire and Blood they portray him as a bad guy he is but it’s called anti hero cause he not all bad that’s why i say fire and blood aren’t true it’s just based on what mushroom and the maesters said it was mentioned the maesters hated rhaenyra so it’s possible they was was just makin up things to ruin her image me personally I don’t think daemon is bad tbh
@@latj16x I'd argue he's worse than any man in Prison in my country haha but his charisma is what sells him, I don't think he could do much to make people hate him.
@@traviscue2099 where do you live? people in prison, in my country have killed and gRape. My cousin just went to visit his girlfriend then he was found dead by 11 shots, nobody saw what happened.
@@rowanjoy419 Deamon has murdered so many innocent people 😅
@@traviscue2099 I know so how is that worse, also this medieval times not today, am just saying that your comment is weird to me, that is all
I don’t think the man who created and wrote the character is wrong about him
Who said he was wrong?
Clearly Green propaganda! The Prince of the City will rid Kingslanding of the Greens and conquer Westeros for the Blacks! 😂
Thank you for understanding narcissists are not adults. They are stuck developmentally. He is still responsible for his actions of course.
Why you deleted aemond targerian video man?
Remaking it and will publish soon!
@@ValaritasYT waiting for it!'!
He was no matter what always loyal to his brother Viserys
Loyal in that he never betrayed him for the throne and sought his approval. But he did undermine his authority when and where it suited him.
Yeah, George wrote that Daemon is a character “made of light of darkness in equal parts” but then kinda forgot to actually write his light sides..
People keep repeating this like trained birds. Anyone who's read the book can see Daemon's light side if they have a brain.
1.) He's beloved by the smallfolk. He spends time with them, drinks with them, and made King's Landing safer for them. He took the City Watch, a band of loosely-organized, poorly-equipped men with cudgels, and he turned them into a proper police force that could take pride in their position and maintain order in the city.
2.) He's far more competent than Viserys, and he realistically deserves to be king in his place. Paddy Considine's performance and HotD's writing make many people forget that Viserys in the book is an irresponsible idiot with few redeeming qualities who really shouldn't have been king in the first place. In contrast, Daemon is active and decisive.
3.) He takes personal initiative to clean up the Stepstones, saving thousands of Westerosi from enslavement or brutal deaths, and preventing the commandeering of valuable ships and their cargo.
4.) He is willing to work very hard for what he wants, and he will personally put himself at risk to achieve it.
Most people are as bad at moral calculations as they are mathematical ones. If someone cures cancer and saves millions of lives, but then murders a child, people would call them a bad person, as though a single bad act outweighs any amount of goodness. It doesn't. You get credit for your good qualities and actions just as well as your bad ones.
Daemon is exactly as George described him: light and dark in equal parts.
@@AstaraBrightwingas Stannis said, “A good act does not wash away the bad, nor the bad the good.”
@@greenknightofwar7024 Words of wisdom.
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Well, Daemon in the books may have been a better King than Viserys, but from what we see in the show, it makes me feel he wouldn't have been the best king either
Especially if he hates being at court
@@AstaraBrightwing When we compare your 1-2 vague "good side examples" vs the horrible deeds Daemon did (what we literally saw in show and in that video), make it clear that Daemon is %90 a bad person %10 good. Also Hitler is loved by "smallfolk" and got %34 from the elections do you think he has made of light and darkness in equal parts? lol
Love it!❤
great video again!
thank you Im so tired of people saying that since the author says that daemon is a grey character then daemon is a grey character.....He is not a grey character he is a evil manipulative man due to his actions he is the same as otto. Instant Like from me.
That the show lol & the show version is boring lol. There a reason this book series & it lore a best seller. There a reason Martin is celebrated as one of greatest celebrated character writers in fantasy. They choose the most boring options for him, Ser Criston, Larys Strong.
@@darriusbethea2373 boring option? criston cole and larys? what exactly r u saying
Why did you delete your viserys video? It was very good
Hi, One of the rate times i agree with someone speaking from a WIF carácter, just One minor detail you might be wrong Rhaenyra from the books was quite eager towards war and was enraged by the greens actions way before the end of the war of the ravens.
I'm so mad at the season 2 what they did to daemon omg !
They made him a little too bad in the show, it is what it is.
You misunderstood Daemon. He is driven by the desire to make his family great. He is fiercely loyal to his brother even though his brother is weak. He is happy at the death of his brothers son because the boy would prevent him from becoming king and saving the kingdom. He believes that he alone as the strength to lead his family back to greatness. He is a man of action so he sometimes acts rashly. Yet his intention has always been to save his family.
It seems cheap to put Daemon on a DnD alignment grid. It's the antithesis of GRRM's view that we deserve to be judged for all our good or bad actions without stinting either. But perhaps GRRM is the one who's having it too easy. Nobody ever sees any character as a whole person or observes from a place of safety like the reader does, so his call to always see the moral complexity risks being just as inauthentic as putting people on a 4x4 grid.
I don’t know why love people daemon 😞
Because they think he's hot 😂
He was The Doctorrrr
Because he’s a great character. Not hard to understand 😂
@@johnjoseph6874As a fictional character yes he's great but as a person he's an a***le.
He is the loudest and freest character of the show, does what he wants, says what he thinks.
He got big mouth and he walks the talk. GRRM loves him for that matter.
Some people that hate Daemon, claim to love Criston Cole or Otto Hightower.
Daemon, like Aemond both have 1 great virtue, their lust for power leads them to destroy House Targaryen from within and that's a good thing for the rest of the Seven Kingdoms.
He kind of sounds like a cop.
daemon😍
4:17 *strangles
To be fair he didn't murder his wife in the book
From darkness comes light. All Targaryen's are of the seed of power, it is only natural. I believe the only way to tame the dragon is the merge it with the blood of the first men.
Jon Snow
He is not a "chaotic evil"! He is rebelious 'evil'.
Wait. So what was George wrong about?
He’s not Morrally grey he’s just evil
Daemon is undoubtedly an evil power hungry man, but a great character considering his actions in the story.
That a show only only thing lol
Suge Knight was the blackest of villains
He wasn’t wrong about him if anybody was it was mushroom and the grand maesters fire and blood is based on what they wrote meaning some of it aren’t true and I think that’s why grrm wrote the blood book its not pov like dunk and egg series it’s based on what other people wrote so I like what the show doing wit all yhe characters whenever season 4 comes out and this show over y’all will see what I mean it would all make sense 💯
I know this is gonna probably come off as dumb but he def gives off vegita vibes lol just the always having to prove himself mixed with the royal arrogance that he can hold up
I agree
He is evil. Chaos mixed with power is by definition evil and no I don’t think we need a balance of good and evil so that they can find each other. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with 100% good.
New Video why is every villian in fiction Super hot my i the only one you thinks this way
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oh so you just conveniently leave out the part that he was punishing the killers, ra*pists, thieves and general low-lives of king's landing when he formed the gold cloaks. ah, typical cherry picking daemon slanderer
(for those without a sense of humor, the last sentence is a joke)
lol, defending those brutal actions instead of expecting "less brutal" punishments say a lot of you. You should live rest of your life in a country ruled by Islamic sharia, you will be very happy ;)
*Without a Trial*. Only the gods know how many innocent men were killed by the City Watch that night.
@@Papaty25The showrunners intentionally chose to depict the scene that way to make Daemon seem more evil. In the book he is beloved by the smallfolk, particularly for cleaning up the streets of crime.
@@SolarDragon007 if it was in real life, it'd be a sad event. *We can let a hundred criminals escape but we can never punish an innocent man.*
@Papaty25 My point was that the showrunner/writers _chose_ to portray it that way. In the source material, the smallfolk love Daemon because he beefed up the Gold Cloaks and cracked down on violent crime. Condal and the other writers chose to depict it as being way more sketchy/morally questionable than what the book told us.
no he's my king!!!
Daemon Targaryen to his black kids, stepkids, and toddlers. He will pay equally no attention to you.
anyone who loves daemon has daddy issues
Or because we are whovians
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Matt Smith is great with Daemon, that's why people love him. Other than as a character, Daemon is garbage.
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daemon is a coward is all i know
coward??? WOULD YOU LIKE TO LEARN HIS "THE BRAVEST" ACT??? OR DO YOU ALREADY KNOW???
@@KhalkedonYT he's a cutthroat who hired two ratcatcher cutthroats to kill aemond instead of going himself and also he told them to kill the baby if they didn't find aemond so
@@DarklotusDD2 he didn't say such a thing. It was Blood & Cheese's fault.
@@KhalkedonYT but he did because when cheese had helena blood came and said (a son for a son he said does she look like a son to you)
@DarklotusDD2, so you don't know how it ends
"covers his wounded ego with violence" it's called having an extremely strong sense of honor..
the ignorant modern usage of words to describe such is so vile and misleading
You pretty much summed up why i hate him. i utterly despise his personality
Daemon is white