I thought the test videos were extremely well done showing the process of getting the job done, rather than just the end result. Shame that Jim was injured but it was all calculated and people get bucked on multiple occasions in multiple events. Is the wall ride going to be removed after 1 rider blew out the top? They are all extreme riders doing extreme things on bikes and hats off to them. Great discussion chaps
Who am I to tell the best riders in the world what to jump and what not to? But I most certainly don't want anyone to get peer pressured into doing this and die or get severely injured. And I want the features to be built as safe and well working as possible. So I think RB made the right call to get this jump back to the drawing board. Next time!
With a net, pads on the backside of the landing and transition changes to take off and its good to go. Fk falling that far into a creek if something goes wrong.
It is a good jump for the race but I agree with the decision to remove it this year. No need to rush things since testing showed a need for change. The changes were completed but still, with some more time it will be more dialed and appropriate. I can't wait to see it next year! I'm betting it will be the easiest jump on the course and the scaffolding will be covered with black tarps to make it visually appealing as well. Maybe a net too. These guys no what they're doing.
It was already covered in Camo tarp and didn't look out of place at all, just unfortunate that everyone lost their minds about it having a load of scaffolding for some reason. Mad jump but realistically, you would have had to seriously mess it up to fall down the canyon as Jim proved when he flew across it and landed nicer than if he'd stacked it on one of the other mental features
Im pretty sure Bernard said they removed it because they didn't have the safety net. Redbull have dropped someone out of space they 100% would have ran it if they thought it was safe. someone getting injured on it wouldn't impact them or the event massively in the long run as its the riders choice if they ride it and if it wasn't safe the testers would of ruled it out. had nothing to do with negative social media interactions.
That's not true. Amaury got injured on UCI track because they were reckless with the standards, and they were called out for the sustained injuries. Same would happen to RedBull if they would approve ride or die situations like this and no it can't be just riders choice. It's testers choice indeed, but not riders.
The internet that watch hardline is predominantly mountain bikers. They probably have some idea that the gap is doable. But that landing to unprotected scaf and a fair chance of rain on a wooden ramp could have fucked a lot of people ip ruining a run that could have been made safer. I personally want to see it in a race but also the safety of the riders so they can keep blowing out minds with badass events
totally agree. we're all riders commenting . . . comments sections have an effect. the effect is hopefully that it gets rebuilt with a dirt landing in one of the wettest countries on the planet, obviously a smoother lip ...potentially a safety net but imo if you fix the lip is the net neccesary? BK thinks so, so I do too, but was BK pressured by comments sections? haha . . . I don't know if it's cancel culture so much as it is, 'there's an obvious problem that needed an obvious solution culture' the gap at rampage is dirt to dirt too. . .
@@Ryan-lh8nb absolutely, we aren’t trying to cancel anything. We just looking out for our fellow and top tier riders.! Cancel culture would be “you’ve destroyed natural habitat with your bikes, you can’t have hardline anymore, period” haha
You guys bringing it on the point. Me as a watcher who has no clue about ramps and enjoying Hardline for its sick sports and the people crazy enough doing that shit I have to say that I rather watch it without someone "maybe crashing on that jump" and people cancel Hardline because it's "to dangerous". I know what press could built from that and I dont want that spectacle to disappear. Hardline Wales was fkn killing it without the jump. Next year maybe the jump will be there. I will be too
It's the same as BSB and the IOM TT, some of the same riders compete in both, same machinery and regs, course and consequence makes all the difference.
Nothing to do with it being ‘2024’d’, event organisers owe a duty to all those that participate in these events. Yes, of course riders can injure themselves at any point on the course, however, in comparison with the other jumps and gaps this one would have caused serious injury or worse if a rider didn’t make it across. This would have much more detrimental impact on the sport than simply making the controversial decision to pull it this year. Great decision by RedBull who continue to provide us with the best in the sport, but safety must come first for all and there’s always next year to see what other safety measures can be implemented to make it a goer. But a great conversation topic nonetheless guys.
I got the impression that much of the reason the entire section was removed was a lack of time. Besides the canyon gap, there was also the hip jump that led into it that BK casually mentioned he didn't even try to ride. At that point, I'm not sure there was enough manpower available to rework that jump and do the lip changes to the canyon gap jump at the same time and be finished in time for practice. I'm sure both features will be ready for the 2025 event.
It looked to me that it was never going to be part of the track, just used to drive hype and promotion for the race. There would be so many riders that either wouldn't risk it or their teams wouldn't allow them to do it that the line up would be lacking. Not to mention that a run in for it was never shown aside from dropping in just above the jump.
Hardline vs a track like Val di Sole is an interesting comparison. Lots of riders said they were scared/nervous when the rain was falling in Val di Sole. For me, the difference is that WC tracks don't usually have features you can die or have life changing injuries on if you make a mistake. Risk is managed at a WC by a commissaire who signs off the track as being safe. I think it was irresponsible to have the river gap jump without a safety net. Watching Jim flying 70ft through mid air without a safety net didn't look good for the organisers or Red Bull. Personally I think the jump was an eyesore on a stunning Welsh mountainside and should never have been conceived. Use dirt not scaffolding.
@@Duncan23 Do you mean for how it looks or how safe it is? The road gap has been proven as a rideable feature. Ok so you could brake, fall of the end, and fall 30ft on to a gravel road, but the chances of that happening to a professional rider are very small. Risk is managed by having a long, wide straight, grippy run to the drop.
How many people die at the Isle of Man TT each year and that doesn't get cancelled. People need to understand this is pushing the boundaries but they defo did the right thing given the circumstances. Its even more hard-core than Rampage because in Utah you build what you want to complete your run. Hardline it's there and it's a case of ride it or don't. It should be making the pro's suck through their teeth and decide how they tackle it.
I think the issue was it looks shoddy and unfinished, it looked like the way it was built it would be tough to adjust the radius, the landing in Tasmania was at least 3 times wider so if it was the same landing and was a full dirt landing then it would have looked far safer and more appealing. There were other comments from some of the better riders I know about the lack of remorse or accountability shown on camera for how it turned out but we all know cameras don’t share the whole story. I think it honestly comes down to the fact that if it was built to the same standard and quality as the rest of the course and things went wrong the reaction would have been completely different l, I’m sure it will make a return next year !
Such a good point about the difference between this and tasmania, if the footage of Jim's jump hadn't been released people wouldn't have got so butt hurt about it.
You think? I've seen that jump and I went "this is not MTB, this is bullshit" and when millions of people go like this, you know something is not right. Only 1 person has to die on the hardline feature like that and hardline is done for good. Feature was catapult like, insane amount of compression and lets not talk that this area will get muddy and wet because it's a river area and it's gonna be always subpar conditions. Now imagine racing that or session that, mud on mud on mud and the fall pit will swallow one and ONE is what it takes for this event to be closed forever.
For me, that jump seemed more dangerous than the Red bull rampage. If they came up short they were F'd into scaffold and steel! If the viewers don't want to watch riders put themselves to that sort of risk, I think you need to respect that. If you want to ride it off camera, go for it.
I take issue with the derogatory way in which you speak about the viewers. Without a viewing audience, Hardline would be nothing, it probably wouldn't exist. So the audience has every right to an opinion and to express it if they wish.
I think it just boiled down to the possible consequences not making it over the jump that made it what it was. With a safety net it is still nuts, but not life-threatening. But there was no word of a safety net when the instagram reels dropped.
The problem with that jump and hardline in general is weather... race was delayed for a few hours due to wind and when it did run there was a few riders drifting on the 90s. For Hardline to run with broadcast slots etc. there would need to be an alternative line around the canyon jump to allow for weather
Wasn’t it BK that said in his video that he said they needed a net? And the only reason the jump was removed was because they couldn’t get a net in time. This whole chat was pointless 😂 There absolutely were a shit load of armchair wannabes in the comments though you’re right. Also the sport isn’t progressing that fast lads. People have been jumping 90ft jumps for years and making it look easy. Rampage arguably peaked (other than Brendog and Godziek) years ago.
I wouldn’t believe anything BK says. He’s a tit. Threw a hissy fit a few years ago because all the riders decided against him that the weather conditions were too severe.
Perhaps the guy who actually built the jump realised that the angles etc... were wrong from the test runs and didnt want the be responsible for someones death. Red Bull have been the reason why all action sports have progressed to such a degree if they want to pull the brakes on for a while to reassess thats fine by me.
I don't agree. If I wanted to watch scaffolds I would watch street races. If I would want to watch innnnsane jumps with tricks Rampage. If I want to watch big features raced, hardline and if I would want to see people get injured I would watch circus. That jump neither looks good neither feels good and the old upper part was way more exciting than current extended version. They took the best 2 jumps and dropdown before the massive drop out of the track, and those just were riders favourite features.
I'm thinking why the outcry and concern about the jump was the perceived consequences for failure were too high. It just seemed like needles danger just for spectacle. I, myself when I saw it thought, "There goes Redbull again, putting athletes at risk with an extreme spectacle just for shock and awe". We watch these events to be amazed, not to see rider's get injured or worse. As for me, my main concern was, sure 85% of the riders have no problem with the jump, but what about the 15% that aren't confident with it and don't want to do it but get peer pressured to hit it. Sure I get it. I'm just an arm chair analyst that just can't fathom doing it because it's way beyond my abilities. But you got to understand, the concern was for the safety of the riders just for spectacle. Nothing more
Huck for a Buck.. It's been around for along time. Enter Evel Kenievel. There ya go... History made a statement. But would I do it, well when im gonna die, might as well go out BIG.
Pro - "That jump was too kicky" Public - "That jump looks too kicky" "What do people know?" Well, I think we just outlined that a good percentage know a jump looks too kicky. All they've done is point out the exact same thing experienced riders have pointed out. Where's the issue? Should it have been adjusted and tried again? 100%.
Totally agree with the choice to take that jump out, I doubt it was a secret prior to the event and it shows in the lack of big world cup names at this years event with teams not wanting to risk riders. I also agree with the speed at which this DH/freeride part of the sport is progressing but i think Dan Atherton and the redbull lot have hit a stopper with that jump. They now have to prove its safe next year, with all the bother on the internet are the big teams and riders going to have the risk appetite next year ? Lets see, i think Hardline has just kicked itself in the bollocks.......
That jump was stupid. Period. It was ugly, built wrong, and was extremely high consequences. Bernard landed far left and Matt went way long. If you fucked that jump too bad, you weren't hitting the back of a dirt landing, you were hitting the scaffolding and dropping onto rocks quite far down. One mistake and a rider dies on a mandatory jump that's part of a race. They went too far.
i don't know about 70 foots jumps over canyons. what i do know about is dodgy AF scaffolding. that in a proper industry would never be allowed to happen. then you have no safety net or any protection to the actual scaffolding. let alone the tiny magin of error for the landing. with no run-off or other safety measurs for missed landing. yes i know it's testing, but the consequences of a crash in testing is the same as it is in a race. in F1 testing, all the medical precautions are still there because the consequences are the same. why were some dodgy mountain bike riders allowed to jump across a canyon with no safety measures?
The jump will just never look that appeasing. 1. It’s a scaffolding jump, which is not only hideous in such a natural landscape, but scaffolding doesn’t seem great in a high wind area. 2. It’s a large wooden feature ridden at a tremendously high speed in a very rainy climate region. Not only is rain a factor if someone’s tires slip. But what happens if someone’s tire pops of foot slips going into that. 3. No net (relates to 1&2) It’s one thing to do something and say “there’s a chance I die”. with how that jump was set up, if you didn’t make it for some reason it wasn’t a chance you would die, it was damn near certain you were going to die
go to london and build your mountain biking course out of scaffold there , Come to wales , we don't need that shyt . keep the sport closer to how everyone experiences it , Free ride .
Wouldn't have made any difference anyway, say a blessing in disguise...if it was left in, the whole event would have been canceled due to the high winds on the day..... Maybe??
I'm glad they're making something out of this jump but a net just kills the whole point of the jump. They should have never showed us this jump so qe never would have been let down when it was made worse.
‘Armchair warriors’ is a BS statement! FANS were showing concern and as many people have said, BK said they didn’t get the net in time or decided it needed a net and couldn’t get one! The 90’s nearly ended BK last year but nothing was said about that!🤷🏼♂️
Honestly this is not circus. The situation was Ride or Die, and no I don't want to see people dying for my amusement. Olly you know Rampage more then anyone... if you build your line you commit to it and do everything to make it right, like the canyon jump that Bran did! On the other hand that scaffold looked like crap, no offence to Gee, but he's not sane anymore and if he thinks people can race that.. I'm not supporting this anymore, this is not hardline, it's circus.
you are being armchair warriors in literal armchairs. 2 out of 3 landed safe, but it was almost 3 out of 3 nailing themselves! Extend that to the entire field and that's a lot of people getting seriously injured. Add in the unpredictable weather and cancelling was inevitable. you dont know what went on behind the scenes. There was no ability to make this jump safer so they did what they had to and removed it.
Some very disrespectful comments towards the online audience. It wasn't people getting on their high horse and moaning about the jump, the fact is, people did not want to see riders get seriously injured via a badly designed jump. Also.....you would be surprised that there are plenty of people who know a lot about big jumps outside of your world. Maybe worth remembering, It's those people who write those 'little comments' that pay for your sponsor ship packages.
The jump was built poorly to begin with. All transitions were too tight and violent. Sam Reynolds said it the first time he saw a photo of it, so it just amazes me that nobody else spotted it? Or maybe they did but BK being the absolute selfish tool that he is felt it was fine to risk everyone’s lives and said it was okay. Luckily Jim was fine and the jump was scrapped. Hardline is hardline but features still need to be built correctly and safely.
It was just rushed... That's it. They didn't have the net or the time to iterate the jump enough. . Plebs in the comment section believing they "know" what the best in the world can or can't do is fucking hilarious.
Probably an unpopular opinion here, that jump wasnt pushing any boundries for the sport. Adding a danger factor isnt pushing boundries. The jump wasnt actually that big, you'll find jumps just as big at public bikeparks all over the world
Please stop justifying and dwelling on the superb global MTB community - I have talked to multiple experienced riders and all agreed it was a good idea to remove it. I commented that same opinion before the internet blew up. We all want to see spectacular features but for me I wouldn't have wanted to see this one. If you're talking about the test jump being part of the process, even that test jump should've been designed way safer as even BK was close to miss the landing being blown left by the wind. For me more like 1 fail, 1 close to failing and 1 sketchy successful hit (Jones) = good call to remove it even without considering the "big nets" opinion. Peace!
Bull shit, it's the people who first hit the jump and almost died. They waited till the last second and there's no way they could have fixed that jump in time. Everything you guys post is clickbait
The take off was changed the day after it was tested, it was ready to go. Internet fairies got it removed. It will definitely be in next year's course!
Fully disagree with the decision not to run it, exactly same reasons as what’s already been said, we’re meant to be pushing boundaries and pushing limits further then we’ve gone before, all sports getting more and more extreme it seems like the MTB crowd are the only bunch not willing to push any more! They’re all moaning about how much there paid etc but they don’t want to out perform each other or push any further? Everything’s got to be perfect all the time, it’s THEE hard line BUT it’s not even hard anymore, myself along with other average weekend riders would ride this track lol
What do people in the comments know? ummm alot of those people in the comments are pro BMX athletes and pro Slope/ Freeride MTBrs as well who ride and build loads. The could've just fixed the lip and ran it!
mmm, really had my concern for riders welfare slapped back in my face here. guess in future i should just shrug off any such concerns as 'pros will be pros' and just glibly scroll past insta hospital bed thumbs-up pics with a dismissive shrug of 'if he dies, he dies'
@@ManWalksDogs I agree but is this comment a reply to me? I would have written about the pressure young pros must feel to perform for the cameras and how duty of care from red bull etc appears lacking, but figured after this video that the ride companion boys must know best, heh ho
As a PhD candidate in 60 Foot Wooden Canyon Jumps I can confirm most people know nothing about 70 foot wooden canyon jumps.
I thought the test videos were extremely well done showing the process of getting the job done, rather than just the end result. Shame that Jim was injured but it was all calculated and people get bucked on multiple occasions in multiple events. Is the wall ride going to be removed after 1 rider blew out the top? They are all extreme riders doing extreme things on bikes and hats off to them. Great discussion chaps
Who am I to tell the best riders in the world what to jump and what not to? But I most certainly don't want anyone to get peer pressured into doing this and die or get severely injured. And I want the features to be built as safe and well working as possible. So I think RB made the right call to get this jump back to the drawing board. Next time!
With a net, pads on the backside of the landing and transition changes to take off and its good to go. Fk falling that far into a creek if something goes wrong.
It is a good jump for the race but I agree with the decision to remove it this year. No need to rush things since testing showed a need for change. The changes were completed but still, with some more time it will be more dialed and appropriate. I can't wait to see it next year! I'm betting it will be the easiest jump on the course and the scaffolding will be covered with black tarps to make it visually appealing as well. Maybe a net too. These guys no what they're doing.
It was already covered in Camo tarp and didn't look out of place at all, just unfortunate that everyone lost their minds about it having a load of scaffolding for some reason. Mad jump but realistically, you would have had to seriously mess it up to fall down the canyon as Jim proved when he flew across it and landed nicer than if he'd stacked it on one of the other mental features
No. These guys yes what they’re doing. 😁. Forgive my cheekiness, but it’s “know”.
Im pretty sure Bernard said they removed it because they didn't have the safety net.
Redbull have dropped someone out of space they 100% would have ran it if they thought it was safe. someone getting injured on it wouldn't impact them or the event massively in the long run as its the riders choice if they ride it and if it wasn't safe the testers would of ruled it out.
had nothing to do with negative social media interactions.
This.
That's not true. Amaury got injured on UCI track because they were reckless with the standards, and they were called out for the sustained injuries. Same would happen to RedBull if they would approve ride or die situations like this and no it can't be just riders choice. It's testers choice indeed, but not riders.
The internet that watch hardline is predominantly mountain bikers. They probably have some idea that the gap is doable. But that landing to unprotected scaf and a fair chance of rain on a wooden ramp could have fucked a lot of people ip ruining a run that could have been made safer. I personally want to see it in a race but also the safety of the riders so they can keep blowing out minds with badass events
totally agree. we're all riders commenting . . . comments sections have an effect. the effect is hopefully that it gets rebuilt with a dirt landing in one of the wettest countries on the planet, obviously a smoother lip ...potentially a safety net but imo if you fix the lip is the net neccesary? BK thinks so, so I do too, but was BK pressured by comments sections? haha . . . I don't know if it's cancel culture so much as it is, 'there's an obvious problem that needed an obvious solution culture' the gap at rampage is dirt to dirt too. . .
@@Ryan-lh8nb absolutely, we aren’t trying to cancel anything. We just looking out for our fellow and top tier riders.! Cancel culture would be “you’ve destroyed natural habitat with your bikes, you can’t have hardline anymore, period” haha
You guys bringing it on the point. Me as a watcher who has no clue about ramps and enjoying Hardline for its sick sports and the people crazy enough doing that shit I have to say that I rather watch it without someone "maybe crashing on that jump" and people cancel Hardline because it's "to dangerous". I know what press could built from that and I dont want that spectacle to disappear. Hardline Wales was fkn killing it without the jump. Next year maybe the jump will be there. I will be too
It's the same as BSB and the IOM TT, some of the same riders compete in both, same machinery and regs, course and consequence makes all the difference.
Nothing to do with it being ‘2024’d’, event organisers owe a duty to all those that participate in these events. Yes, of course riders can injure themselves at any point on the course, however, in comparison with the other jumps and gaps this one would have caused serious injury or worse if a rider didn’t make it across. This would have much more detrimental impact on the sport than simply making the controversial decision to pull it this year. Great decision by RedBull who continue to provide us with the best in the sport, but safety must come first for all and there’s always next year to see what other safety measures can be implemented to make it a goer. But a great conversation topic nonetheless guys.
I got the impression that much of the reason the entire section was removed was a lack of time. Besides the canyon gap, there was also the hip jump that led into it that BK casually mentioned he didn't even try to ride. At that point, I'm not sure there was enough manpower available to rework that jump and do the lip changes to the canyon gap jump at the same time and be finished in time for practice. I'm sure both features will be ready for the 2025 event.
It looked to me that it was never going to be part of the track, just used to drive hype and promotion for the race. There would be so many riders that either wouldn't risk it or their teams wouldn't allow them to do it that the line up would be lacking. Not to mention that a run in for it was never shown aside from dropping in just above the jump.
Ironically one guy almost went down that gully anyway after going over the berm! Saved it barely but for a moment... It looked hairy
Hardline vs a track like Val di Sole is an interesting comparison. Lots of riders said they were scared/nervous when the rain was falling in Val di Sole. For me, the difference is that WC tracks don't usually have features you can die or have life changing injuries on if you make a mistake. Risk is managed at a WC by a commissaire who signs off the track as being safe. I think it was irresponsible to have the river gap jump without a safety net. Watching Jim flying 70ft through mid air without a safety net didn't look good for the organisers or Red Bull. Personally I think the jump was an eyesore on a stunning Welsh mountainside and should never have been conceived. Use dirt not scaffolding.
There was a line in the video "I would prefer to hit the other side at 50, than drop off the lip at 1".
Guess tbey should remove the road gap too using your logic
@@Duncan23 Do you mean for how it looks or how safe it is? The road gap has been proven as a rideable feature. Ok so you could brake, fall of the end, and fall 30ft on to a gravel road, but the chances of that happening to a professional rider are very small. Risk is managed by having a long, wide straight, grippy run to the drop.
How many people die at the Isle of Man TT each year and that doesn't get cancelled. People need to understand this is pushing the boundaries but they defo did the right thing given the circumstances. Its even more hard-core than Rampage because in Utah you build what you want to complete your run. Hardline it's there and it's a case of ride it or don't. It should be making the pro's suck through their teeth and decide how they tackle it.
People take part in the TT knowing they might die.
The same doesn't apply to MTB.
@@rarelycomments generally no but on things like Hardline and Rampage it has to be considered. Things can and do go wrong.
Matt Jones nailed it .. the riders that knew , said it was the perspective not the distance. They all have jumped further .
Na, doing it is one thing, doing it in the context of a race is another thing entirely.
I think the issue was it looks shoddy and unfinished, it looked like the way it was built it would be tough to adjust the radius, the landing in Tasmania was at least 3 times wider so if it was the same landing and was a full dirt landing then it would have looked far safer and more appealing. There were other comments from some of the better riders I know about the lack of remorse or accountability shown on camera for how it turned out but we all know cameras don’t share the whole story.
I think it honestly comes down to the fact that if it was built to the same standard and quality as the rest of the course and things went wrong the reaction would have been completely different l, I’m sure it will make a return next year !
Such a good point about the difference between this and tasmania, if the footage of Jim's jump hadn't been released people wouldn't have got so butt hurt about it.
You think? I've seen that jump and I went "this is not MTB, this is bullshit" and when millions of people go like this, you know something is not right. Only 1 person has to die on the hardline feature like that and hardline is done for good. Feature was catapult like, insane amount of compression and lets not talk that this area will get muddy and wet because it's a river area and it's gonna be always subpar conditions. Now imagine racing that or session that, mud on mud on mud and the fall pit will swallow one and ONE is what it takes for this event to be closed forever.
For me, that jump seemed more dangerous than the Red bull rampage. If they came up short they were F'd into scaffold and steel! If the viewers don't want to watch riders put themselves to that sort of risk, I think you need to respect that. If you want to ride it off camera, go for it.
Didn't comment at the time but I just felt that jump didn't feel like a Hardline feature. Can't really explain why, just the wrong vibe from it
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I take issue with the derogatory way in which you speak about the viewers. Without a viewing audience, Hardline would be nothing, it probably wouldn't exist. So the audience has every right to an opinion and to express it if they wish.
Was waiting for thiss
I think it just boiled down to the possible consequences not making it over the jump that made it what it was. With a safety net it is still nuts, but not life-threatening. But there was no word of a safety net when the instagram reels dropped.
Anyone ever seen what they get up to at isle of man?
yeah theyre riding public roads (really fast), theyre not attempting to jump a moto from the island to the mainland in the middle of their lap
The problem with that jump and hardline in general is weather... race was delayed for a few hours due to wind and when it did run there was a few riders drifting on the 90s.
For Hardline to run with broadcast slots etc. there would need to be an alternative line around the canyon jump to allow for weather
Olly that top is fire lad ….
The consequences of those two jumps are a little different. You come up short on the canyon gap and you’re dead with no net.
And even if you have enough speed, that area is waterfall / river area which is always moist, if you slip, you can't stop..
Wasn’t it BK that said in his video that he said they needed a net?
And the only reason the jump was removed was because they couldn’t get a net in time.
This whole chat was pointless 😂
There absolutely were a shit load of armchair wannabes in the comments though you’re right.
Also the sport isn’t progressing that fast lads.
People have been jumping 90ft jumps for years and making it look easy.
Rampage arguably peaked (other than Brendog and Godziek) years ago.
I wouldn’t believe anything BK says. He’s a tit. Threw a hissy fit a few years ago because all the riders decided against him that the weather conditions were too severe.
Perhaps the guy who actually built the jump realised that the angles etc... were wrong from the test runs and didnt want the be responsible for someones death. Red Bull have been the reason why all action sports have progressed to such a degree if they want to pull the brakes on for a while to reassess thats fine by me.
As a viewer, please make the line softer if needed! Riders safety is no.1. concern, by far!
I think the jump is fine and a hardline type feature, but there should have been a net for testing as well as for the main feature
I don't agree. If I wanted to watch scaffolds I would watch street races. If I would want to watch innnnsane jumps with tricks Rampage. If I want to watch big features raced, hardline and if I would want to see people get injured I would watch circus. That jump neither looks good neither feels good and the old upper part was way more exciting than current extended version. They took the best 2 jumps and dropdown before the massive drop out of the track, and those just were riders favourite features.
Why not add a net in the canyon?
I'm thinking why the outcry and concern about the jump was the perceived consequences for failure were too high. It just seemed like needles danger just for spectacle. I, myself when I saw it thought, "There goes Redbull again, putting athletes at risk with an extreme spectacle just for shock and awe". We watch these events to be amazed, not to see rider's get injured or worse. As for me, my main concern was, sure 85% of the riders have no problem with the jump, but what about the 15% that aren't confident with it and don't want to do it but get peer pressured to hit it.
Sure I get it. I'm just an arm chair analyst that just can't fathom doing it because it's way beyond my abilities. But you got to understand, the concern was for the safety of the riders just for spectacle. Nothing more
Huck for a Buck..
It's been around for along time.
Enter Evel Kenievel.
There ya go...
History made a statement. But would I do it, well when im gonna die, might as well go out BIG.
Pro - "That jump was too kicky"
Public - "That jump looks too kicky"
"What do people know?"
Well, I think we just outlined that a good percentage know a jump looks too kicky. All they've done is point out the exact same thing experienced riders have pointed out. Where's the issue? Should it have been adjusted and tried again? 100%.
Totally agree with the choice to take that jump out, I doubt it was a secret prior to the event and it shows in the lack of big world cup names at this years event with teams not wanting to risk riders. I also agree with the speed at which this DH/freeride part of the sport is progressing but i think Dan Atherton and the redbull lot have hit a stopper with that jump. They now have to prove its safe next year, with all the bother on the internet are the big teams and riders going to have the risk appetite next year ? Lets see, i think Hardline has just kicked itself in the bollocks.......
It's called HARDline, right... not BiggestJumpline...?!
That jump was stupid. Period. It was ugly, built wrong, and was extremely high consequences. Bernard landed far left and Matt went way long. If you fucked that jump too bad, you weren't hitting the back of a dirt landing, you were hitting the scaffolding and dropping onto rocks quite far down. One mistake and a rider dies on a mandatory jump that's part of a race. They went too far.
Agreed.
there are many more places to die on throughout the course it's just jump would be most obvious
Yep, and not for a race track.
i don't know about 70 foots jumps over canyons. what i do know about is dodgy AF scaffolding. that in a proper industry would never be allowed to happen. then you have no safety net or any protection to the actual scaffolding. let alone the tiny magin of error for the landing. with no run-off or other safety measurs for missed landing. yes i know it's testing, but the consequences of a crash in testing is the same as it is in a race. in F1 testing, all the medical precautions are still there because the consequences are the same. why were some dodgy mountain bike riders allowed to jump across a canyon with no safety measures?
The jump will just never look that appeasing.
1. It’s a scaffolding jump, which is not only hideous in such a natural landscape, but scaffolding doesn’t seem great in a high wind area.
2. It’s a large wooden feature ridden at a tremendously high speed in a very rainy climate region. Not only is rain a factor if someone’s tires slip. But what happens if someone’s tire pops of foot slips going into that.
3. No net (relates to 1&2)
It’s one thing to do something and say “there’s a chance I die”. with how that jump was set up, if you didn’t make it for some reason it wasn’t a chance you would die, it was damn near certain you were going to die
go to london and build your mountain biking course out of scaffold there , Come to wales , we don't need that shyt . keep the sport closer to how everyone experiences it , Free ride .
Wouldn't have made any difference anyway, say a blessing in disguise...if it was left in, the whole event would have been canceled due to the high winds on the day..... Maybe??
I'm glad they're making something out of this jump but a net just kills the whole point of the jump. They should have never showed us this jump so qe never would have been let down when it was made worse.
‘Armchair warriors’ is a BS statement! FANS were showing concern and as many people have said, BK said they didn’t get the net in time or decided it needed a net and couldn’t get one! The 90’s nearly ended BK last year but nothing was said about that!🤷🏼♂️
The jump is great, but is it really a race line?
Honestly this is not circus. The situation was Ride or Die, and no I don't want to see people dying for my amusement. Olly you know Rampage more then anyone... if you build your line you commit to it and do everything to make it right, like the canyon jump that Bran did! On the other hand that scaffold looked like crap, no offence to Gee, but he's not sane anymore and if he thinks people can race that.. I'm not supporting this anymore, this is not hardline, it's circus.
The road gap is pretty insane as it is.
If they had put up a safety net instead of mats maybe it would of been alright.
Unbeliveably lazy take that the jump got "canceled" from Olly.
It’s called hardline it’s supposed to be more challenging than a wc
It should have been up to the riders to decide. Everyone else is just a spectator.
you are being armchair warriors in literal armchairs.
2 out of 3 landed safe, but it was almost 3 out of 3 nailing themselves! Extend that to the entire field and that's a lot of people getting seriously injured. Add in the unpredictable weather and cancelling was inevitable. you dont know what went on behind the scenes.
There was no ability to make this jump safer so they did what they had to and removed it.
Till next year 😉
Some very disrespectful comments towards the online audience. It wasn't people getting on their high horse and moaning about the jump, the fact is, people did not want to see riders get seriously injured via a badly designed jump. Also.....you would be surprised that there are plenty of people who know a lot about big jumps outside of your world. Maybe worth remembering, It's those people who write those 'little comments' that pay for your sponsor ship packages.
The jump was built poorly to begin with. All transitions were too tight and violent. Sam Reynolds said it the first time he saw a photo of it, so it just amazes me that nobody else spotted it? Or maybe they did but BK being the absolute selfish tool that he is felt it was fine to risk everyone’s lives and said it was okay. Luckily Jim was fine and the jump was scrapped. Hardline is hardline but features still need to be built correctly and safely.
It was just rushed... That's it. They didn't have the net or the time to iterate the jump enough.
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Plebs in the comment section believing they "know" what the best in the world can or can't do is fucking hilarious.
Probably an unpopular opinion here, that jump wasnt pushing any boundries for the sport. Adding a danger factor isnt pushing boundries. The jump wasnt actually that big, you'll find jumps just as big at public bikeparks all over the world
Absolutely.
Please stop justifying and dwelling on the superb global MTB community - I have talked to multiple experienced riders and all agreed it was a good idea to remove it. I commented that same opinion before the internet blew up. We all want to see spectacular features but for me I wouldn't have wanted to see this one. If you're talking about the test jump being part of the process, even that test jump should've been designed way safer as even BK was close to miss the landing being blown left by the wind. For me more like 1 fail, 1 close to failing and 1 sketchy successful hit (Jones) = good call to remove it even without considering the "big nets" opinion. Peace!
If you are not living on the edge then you are taking up too much space, and it is better to go out in a blaze of glory than to fade away.
on you go then, jump the canyon...
The dark fest riders World do it, easy! My opinion…
This was just a well executed PR stunt, cmon guys. It’s still working…..
Use dirt and better builders that actually test it. That was built like shit.
Bull shit, it's the people who first hit the jump and almost died. They waited till the last second and there's no way they could have fixed that jump in time. Everything you guys post is clickbait
The take off was changed the day after it was tested, it was ready to go. Internet fairies got it removed. It will definitely be in next year's course!
This podcast is honestly just a bunch of yapping about nothing
Thanks for the kind words bud! ♥️
If you are not living on the edge then you are taking up too much space
That’s absurd.
Fully disagree with the decision not to run it, exactly same reasons as what’s already been said, we’re meant to be pushing boundaries and pushing limits further then we’ve gone before, all sports getting more and more extreme it seems like the MTB crowd are the only bunch not willing to push any more! They’re all moaning about how much there paid etc but they don’t want to out perform each other or push any further? Everything’s got to be perfect all the time, it’s THEE hard line BUT it’s not even hard anymore, myself along with other average weekend riders would ride this track lol
Nice sarcasm!
😂😂😂😂 behave yourself, have you even seen the elevation drop on the on the course. I hope you're joking with this comment 😮
Feel free to post a video of yourself riding Hardline Wales.
What do people in the comments know? ummm alot of those people in the comments are pro BMX athletes and pro Slope/ Freeride MTBrs as well who ride and build loads.
The could've just fixed the lip and ran it!
Glad to be one of the "internet" voices that called this out as not OK.
mmm, really had my concern for riders welfare slapped back in my face here.
guess in future i should just shrug off any such concerns as 'pros will be pros' and just glibly scroll past insta hospital bed thumbs-up pics with a dismissive shrug of 'if he dies, he dies'
@@ManWalksDogs I agree but is this comment a reply to me?
I would have written about the pressure young pros must feel to perform for the cameras and how duty of care from red bull etc appears lacking, but figured after this video that the ride companion boys must know best, heh ho