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DOC HARLEY: DEALING WITH BOBBLE HEAD DUE TO WIND TURBULENCE - BUFFETING
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 ส.ค. 2024
- Doc Harley from the Service Clinic at Low Country Harley-Davidson to help you with the health of your motorcycle! This week he talks about buffeting, the cause, and how he chose his windshield height to help reduce it.
SUBSCRIBE: / lowcountryharleydavidson Doc Harley is a motorcycle technician at Low Country Harley-Davidson with over thirty years working on motorcycles. Over the years at the dealership he has worked on Harley-Davidson, Buell, and Triumph motorcycles with a few other brands here and there from trade-ins. There are thousands of how-to videos out on TH-cam and other websites across the world. Doc’s goal is to help solve problems that people run into when using their service manual, share insights only found as a certified Harley® technician, and some of the tips he’s picked up over the years.
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2010 Road King, stock windshield, 6'1". The buffeting was rattling my teeth Installed a set of fork mounted deflectors and an air dam between the fork legs. Smoothed everything right out
Thanks. A taller windshield can cause more buffeting because it creates a larger low pressure area so the turbulence is air getting sucked up around the tank. So paradoxically a shorter windshield causes less turbulence and buffeting. I too prefer to ride looking over the windshield and I got less buffeting when I cut down my windshield. Yes, cut down. I have never in 40 years bought a shorter windshield. I cut my FLHTC windshield near the bottom then drilled new holes for the bolts. Cutting off the bottom means no polishing, the rough edge is concealed. I have previously cut off a couple of inches from the top and that works ok too. That just requires sanding the top edge smooth again.
Found a litter shorter windshield, below eye level, with a recurve works well for me. Always great stuff, thanks Doc.
Got a Road King with stock windshield.
Fixed the buffeting by installing the HD windshield lowers. Stops the low pressure area behind the windshield.
Bobble head is the best term. Most people I see in vids have no idea. They just use the term "buffeting" or worse "buffering" to mean oncoming wind. "Bobble head" clarifies the issue perfectly.
I have the same bike. The wind comes up from behind the gas tank and straight up into my helmet. Ordered the deflectors today.
Took off my windshield on my softail like feeling the wind 🤙🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
That’s fine if I stay in the county. But most of my real rides are 400-600 mile days and the wind and wind noise wears you down. Far less fatigue….
A lot of young uns are going to look for this 35 years from now!
Great video. Last summer I rented an Indian Chieftain with the adjustable windshield. At first I did not think I would use the feature of adjustable windshield. After a few miles I started to use the feature and what a difference. I used it all day. This has become a must for my next bike. Thanks for posting.
First time I heard a windshield guy say how to actually choose one. The tip on the service manual was good too. Now I can read and be knowledgeable before coming in to talk to someone about a windshield.
whenever Doc puts out a new video it's always a good day
Oh the ton of money we spend getting it all but thanks you we can proceed logically and get the right things the first time!
Electric adjustable windscreen is the way to go. Get with the program Harley. I run the stock shield on my Road Glide Special, paired with a modular helmet which keeps my head in the clean air above the fairing.
I had this problem. Have a Sportster. I did not want to put the wind deflectors on the fork which
would eliminate the problem. Bought a new police style helmet and solved the problem.
Thanks for sharing your experience…Doc
I live in Australia and always look out for Doc Harley Videos. Who knows I might get to travel over one day....
Just have to remember we drive on the opposite side of the road. When I was in Queensland for 20 days I got used to driving on the streets and freeways but when we were on the coast in the twisty sections (in a car) I was nervous as hell being on blind curves. I don't think I would enjoy riding a bike until I was there for at least 6 months. I've been riding motorcycles for 45 years. Your welcome here just beware aholes on the road here.
Freedom shields is the best.. I just got one a month ago for my Street glide and love it..
Windshield plus lower fork shields makes a real difference.
I got my road king wind shield custom cut at Schaefer’s HD in PA.
I take it off usually at the end of may.
I have a CVO Limited and it’s set up like the Doc Harley method. I’m also a big fan of looking over the windshield
Curious why you don't mention Fork Deflectors (Fangs). Wind buffeting on my 2021 Heritage 114 was terrible. Even worse, Harley Fork Deflectors aren't available for my model. Luckily I stumbled on JES Custom Fork Mounted Wind Deflectors. I was initially very leery, however they worked amazingly well. Helmet wind buffeting easily reduced at least 85%!
Thanks for sharing….Doc
I’m from Italy ! Nice helmet of the Doctor 46 !!! Valentino Rossi 😁
Great video as usual Doc! I solved the problem on my Road King Classic installing the fork mounted wind deflectors. But anyway I felt a great difference between my full face helmet and my jet helmet (virtually no buffeting at all..). Keep up the good work!! Stay safe! Greetings from Italy!
Ciao Giuseppe - Are there lots of Harley's in Italy? I'm 1st generation American from NY. Io mezze Siciliano e mezze Calabrese
DK Custom has a YT video on engine cooling. They said by using engine guard covers, the wind cannot blow over the cylinders to cool the engine.
Very informative as always please keep up the great video 😉and hope you stay safe and healthy till this is virus is over
Today I was going to shave my windshield but after your video I’m not thanks. I’m getting a new seat first then windshield next. Thanks for tip doc
Glad I could help...Doc
A lot of dirty air comes from underneath as well. Maybe even more than over the top depending on your bike. Then the solution gets much more complicated to solve than windshield selection.
I wish we could post pictures in comments on yt
If you are looking through a windshield and it starts raining, you are now looking through 2 wet surfaces, glasses or helmet shield and the windscreen. This dramatically reduces visibility. Can be very much bad.
buy a shorter shield-lookover. About chin height works great, wind will still deflect over your head.
love the helmet how do you like it
Great video as always Doc!
I replaced my OEM shield on my glide with an F4 customs shield. No more buffer head
Put a Freedom Shield on my Road King, solved my buffeting.
02 HD road king ultra classic. How do you check computer codes
Easy way is take it to your dealer. In the diagnostic manual there is a procedure with a jumper wire and counting flashes. But then you would have to have a diagnostic manual to look up the code and procedure to repair. BTW how did this question come up with this video?🤷♂️…..Doc
Learning alot for your vids! Keep it up!
Thanks, will do!..Doc
I found that riding without a helmet, there is no buffeting. A windshield that you can just look over the top keeps the wind from pushing your head back.
Good Information, thanks
Doc, it is a fact that 90% of buffeting issues are caused by the wind coming up from the gas tank area but no one is talking about it, especially your street glides road kings and electra glides at 75 mph you get shaken to shit!!! Fork lowers help 80% of this again not many options out there to fix the problem!! Very frustrating!!!
Wow Eric. I have to apologize that I ride a Softtail and not a electria-glide so my experience on this subject is small. Please would you send me the facts you have at my Email address...Doc
@@LowCountryHarleyDavidson Doc I appreciate your responce, Like I said not many talk about this issue, every street glide, every Electraglide , every ultra, every roadking and herritage has this issue If you ask your customers who ride these bikes if they get heavy wind up from lower gas tank causing head to shake and blurred vision past 65 mph 9 out of 10 will say yes !! These bikes should be limos out of the box and they arent but we all still by them!!! Like I said no one talk about it!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@@ericroadking7564 Yes fork mounted wind deflectors make a huge difference .
What is better ....fork deflectors or soft lowers ?? I need to stop the gust of wind that comes up from underneath the bike .
I have not ridden with fork deflectors to be able to give an opinion. My slim has engine guard leather covers that push the air to my knees. Maybe someone on the net can steer you in the right direction. Thanks ~ Doc
fork deflectors
Fork deflectors definitely .
Very interesting
Thanks Doc.
When is Harley going to make wind deflectors for the 2022 heritage classic 114? Sure could use a pair.
Great suggestion.....Doc
To a real gentleman_ Thank you Sir!
Doc, I have a 2011 Cross Bones, I've tried the taller and the shorter with the HD mount with stock seat and nothing works above 40 MPH. I've tried thee different helmets half, three quarter both open and closed and full face and they all react the same. HD needs to make an adjustable mount for the springer to angle the windshield forward. I have a couple of friends who have Softail customs and they too have not h=found a windshield that is safe above 40 MPH.
LOWERS HELP...LOT OF THAT WIND COMES UNDER THE SHEILD AND AROUND FUEL TANK...
As always, good info
Thank you Travelin Bo...Doc
Hey Doc, what is the advantage of the High performance clutch plates over the stock clutch plates?
hi question I have a 1998 fatboy and had to drop the because of someone turning in front of me. well any once I got the bike home I found that one head stem bolt was broken I have been told a few way to get the front end straight again from hitting on a pole it in the opposite way that the front end has twisted can you help me with the way that is maybe the eases way just the way a back yarder can do at home with a shop near by cheers
from jacko
Great video
The wind coming over the windshield is not a problem. The problem is the wind coming up from under the fairing is what makes my eyes water and pushes my beard up into my face. That is the problem that needs addressed. I pulled the windshields off 2 of my bikes and 80 mph down the road is no problem. The batwing on my electra glide can’t be removed and that bike pisses my off. Eyes start watering around 60 and my beard gets to beating about the same speed. I really am about to spend a lot of money for a bar mount speedo and remove that batwing.
If it works for your type of bike, try Kuryakyn's Lower Triple Tree Wind Deflector. Helped me on my HD Street Glide. Was about $45 US.
What’s the name of that windshield & measurements?
For reasons I cannot get my head around you were quite rude to me after I made what was a reasonable comment in a previous video you made (how long to warm your bike up). Did not feel I could watch this one, shame cos you have a lot of useful stuff to say. Thanks
Hi Mark. I just read Doc's reply to you in that other video and I didn't think he was being rude at all. As he said, don't start the bike and go back inside for a cup of coffee and leave the poor thing to start overheating. Some riders warm their bikes up by letting them sit and idle for far too long IMO and I think that's what Doc H was getting at.
ok maybe you are right. At the time It seemed an odd reply. I was not trying to be smart just asking the question as Mr Smoak had said idling too long can damage your bike too. Thanks for that, it had been bothering me for a while!
Why do i get buffeting on my R1 at 195mph????
The air going into your empty skull?
Dirty air sucks as much as the cabs we are governed with.
Thanks Doc👌👍
Use a 8” Klock Werks luv it
Will this buffeting cause severe neck and shoulder fatigue/pain? I've tried different things and it has helped some but still develope burning fatigue/pain on the back of my shoulders atound the base of the neck. Last thing I haven't changed is the windscreen. It is just above eye level on my RK.
Yes buffeting will stress the body. Handlebar choice also....Doc
My new 2021 Trike has the stock seat and windshield at 10 inches. The stock seat is really not that bad but I would like to have a wider one. With the stock seat and windshield, I have NO buffeting. The wind moves over my head with no movement. But, you open the vents on the batwing on each side, and you think you are in a boxing match. I was hoping to be able to use those vents but no way. They stay closed.
Thanks for your input. I guess I would use them in stop and go traffic only?....Doc
@@LowCountryHarleyDavidson At interstate speed, I tried several openings of the vents from very little to wide open Just not good. How are they on a two wheel bike?
Doc! Great video as always, I wish you weren’t 700 miles away... probably a stretch to use your dealer for service! Question for you... my 2012 48 and 2006 Electra glide both make a strange noise when down shifting into first when you’re going a little to fast for the gear.. generally it’s accidental I’ll have lost track of what gear I’m in and down shift one too many times before making a tight turn etc... when attempting to put it in first it makes a rotating type clanking noise and you can feel it kick the shifter back a little... what’s happening here? Am I damaging the bike or is it designed to do that to prevent and over rev etc.... thanks for your time !
This is not normal. You could be damaging your transmission. See your dealer. I would ask if you have after market hand levers? These can sometimes prevent the clutch cable to pull al the way to disengage the clutch. Also what is the condition of shift linkage? You could just need an adjustment of clutch, shifter pawl, or you have transmission issues. ~ Doc
Thanks Doc, I do have have aftermarket Joker Machine levers but I think it actually came down to the fluid .. I was running Lucas primary fluid and even though it’s technically the right viscosity I think it was just too “sticky” causing the clutch to drag a little ... Switched back to oem fluid, flushed it a few times and now everything is back to normal ... hopefully I didn’t do too much permanent damage... she seemed happy this summer. Thanks again! The Lucas says “formulated for Harley Davidson ” right on the bottle... 🤦🏻♂️ I should have known better!
Wish the guys at your sister store was as helpful as you Doc
Harley genuine accessories catalog only 100.00
On line free…..Doc
How does one change the angle?
The four mounting bolts have some adjustment....Doc
I have a 2020 softail classic and i'm getting buffeting. The seat and windshield came with the bike. Ill take the shakes this year but for Christmas im treating myself to a new windshield. 2020 been a shit year so i'm not installing anything new until 2021..lol
is that windshield wider than stock?
No, Stock for Heritage....Doc
Hi! what's the bike hes on please?
2013 Softtail Slim ❤️ Thanks ~ Doc
what does 46 on the helmet signify?
The One and only G.O.A.T. Racing number! Rossi....Doc
@@LowCountryHarleyDavidson thanks
If the wind buffets you too much, you're probably going too fast. I have no windshield, and I can go 75-80 mph depending on the wind direction. Sometimes I have to slow down a bit, but one thing I never have to do is clean a windshield.
Or you could just buy an Indian that has an adjustable windshield and always have what you need
Thank you for your hysterical satire….Doc
👏🎅☝
👍🏽👍🏽
You'd better chose the shield wisely since it will cost you a kidney ...
By all means, go spend on wildly inflated after market items. Harley thanks you...
Interesting comment….Doc
@@LowCountryHarleyDavidson to be clear: you did mention and show the HD parts catalog, you are a HD dealer employee and as such it's incumbent that you "sell" HD parts, (not forgetting the labor charges for install of said parts), important revenue streams for both the dealer and manufacturer...How'm I doing? This is certainly not an indictment nor is it meant as a pejorative. I did much the same in sales, as a sales mgr. and finance mgr. If I offended, my apology...no buffeting intended.
Happy Holidays, Mr Harley.
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Worst commercial ever
Well thank you Tim…..Doc