I got one of these kits (without headers) for a steal and have seen it do 1000hp+ on a Mazda Starlet, the solution to the explosive boost problems was to replace the fake wastegate with a real 50mm progate. Go cheap turbo, piping etc if you want but don't scrape on the wastegate/blowoff valve they are the only things regulating the boost getting in your engine. Also thanks for a wicked video
walter Hutchinson yess, here in the carribean we just keep them properly lubed or a small film of anti seizure paste and be done with it.. they are both mechanical parts not much science there..
That's what I was always told for years when I was younger and first got into turbo cars. They said you can go cheap with the non-moving metal parts, you can even go cheap on a turbo (if you have to), but if you go cheap on a wastegate or BOV (especially the wastegate) then be prepared to replace an engine block in the not so distant future.
Every time I see a huge lifted turbocharged diesel truck I always ask the owner if he has a CO2 extinguisher or an emergency shut-off kit for it! AND THEY ALWAYS SAY NO! I will never understand diesel owners that will build a $75,000 rig and then not put a $300 CO2 extinguisher kit on it to stop it from running away accidentally
@@thecloneguyz I'd say an extinguisher is more important if you're using pretty much any other fuel, including lithium ion batteries. You wanna talk about runaway? Try "venting with flame" (thermal runaway) on several thousand 18650 cells in a big Tesla.
My dad gave me his old 1988 caprice with a stock 350 motor he maintain almost daily for 25 + years and when i got it car had barely 35k miles on it since pops worked from home and was more of a family town car ...first i rebuilt the engine my self top to bottom nothing was spared ...then i added bullet proof parts basically and the correct set up for procharger that was fun then i decided to add a huge turbo and some beautiful custom heads / manifolds and full exhaust to compliment the build and the car ...i didnt want it sound like a hood box chevy..i wanted it to sound like a Chevrolet 9c1 police intercetor that it was born to be ....i love america and its many American cars ....this one fits me like a glove....i also have a 1984 Fleetwood brougham de' elegance 4dr with same exact build.....beautiful Cadillac.........i love america
I did the same turbo build but with a different manifold on my blow through 385ci 89 s10. Don't know the power level but it's set on 10 lb and I've been driving it for 2 years no problems. As long as you do the proper prep work and maintenance it will last for a long time
with the SBC in particular. you can get decent headers any number of places for a good price and youll be fabricating a crossover pipe anyway. in my case the options are complete scratch build or ebay manifold. but thats whatbi get for playing with obscure japanese cars.
Chinese ebay turbos are really actually very good these days, the trick has always been to buy one of those while fabing your own pipes and getting used good quality wastegate(s). Run it sensibly and it'll last years, push it hard and it'll go bang but so will everything.
+DrewLSsix meh, you don't really need headers, I've seen some fast junk running flipped cast manifolds. From what some Slops have told me the thinner tubing is releasing a lot of heat and thermodynamic energy that is what turbos crave. I thinks I'd at least attempt to spray a few coats of hitemp coating and wrap shit cloth on the tubular headers. The heat only helps the the turbo spin up all the rest needs to be piped as far away from the engine compartment as possible. me thinks.
I assume the pipes supplied are ment to be cut and modified. I think they just give a basic amount of pipe to work with. A little extra pipe wouldn't be much. I'd buy the pipe kit cheep and then get me a good turbo.
without a boost controller, you hook manifold pressure to the bottom Port of the wastegate and leave the top Port open. Then that pressure acts on the spring in the diaphragm thus opening the wastegate at the proper psi... they had the manifold pressure hooked to the top of the gate hence why it kept pegging the boost
Thanks guys, this video really helped. It's nice to see people out there helping others & letting them know what really works & what doesn't work. Too many people go out there thinking they know everything & then blow stuff up. This gives me hope for a sleeper that I want to build.
@@wildestcowboy2668 he never built it.. however I am building mine with a custom turbo manifold a one off if u will.. I wanna be the first person with a T4 98mm turbo on a 2l Chevy motor ( factory 4 cylinder motor ) on a Cadillac ATS 😂 bout to push the capabilities of this thing. As of right now the biggest that’s been on any ATS motor is a 70-74 I believe from zzp which currently has the record for worlds fastest ATS but.. imma bout to beat ‘em hopefully 🤞 WISH ME LUCK!!
Nice video showing what one is getting their self into by buying an eBay turbo kit...but the real question is longevity and reliability. Take that motor and drop it into...well, anything and give it to Freiburger and Finnegan. Have them drive it to Key West and back.
Reliability is usually the weak point of eBay turbos. The concept of producing power with a turbo is easy. The reason why the big name turbos cost more is because when parts are spinning at 100,000+ RPM, the extra money spent on balancing, blueprinting, and quality materials is the difference between a turbo that lasts and one that grenades 6 months down the road.
M Modtomic If a eBay turbo cost 400 500 bucks and it last a year long enough to win a few grudge races I'll just replace it, it's cheap HP over replacing a 3K 4K turbo! The eBay turbos are balanced and they make big power you just have to know your shit; keep a spare they won't break the bank💨💨💨
Plus if after a year if your ebay unit fails you can opt for the name brand or go ebay again. If I was to put a turbo on say, a miata, to make 200whp I would go ebay to keep a cheap fun car cheap.
lol you'll just spend the same amount in the end. Just do it right the first time. You can get a nice rebuildable Precision journal bearing turbo for 700 to 1200 bucks lol. Thing is that turbo could blow first run. I don't trust Chinese metallurgy lol
Well, factor in the price for either a much larger wastegate to replace the other, or just add a second one that's the same size. Factor in welding costs, if you cant do it yourself, i'd say probably $120, maybe cheaper if you take it to the right people. and the air filter. One thing they don't talk about is that you'll need a blow-through carb which will run you a pretty penny.. I personally believe that if you go with the cheaper, $700 kit, and buy all the necessary items for the kit to work, and pay someone to tune the carb, and weld the pipes, it would run you near $1500-$1700, give or take a hundred or two. reason for that is the kit and the carb alone will run you near $1100 alone.
RizoProduction waste gates alone are over $100 and a tune is $450-500. plus $700 for kit. and several hundred more for boost controller, a/f ratio gauge and all the miscellaneous stuff you need.
im gonna use a junkyard 350 2 bolt main in an ebay twin turbo project and see what the limit is as i haven't seen anyone really try to blow it up yet and see how far it can be pushed. some headstud's and main studs half fill the water jacket with cement open up the ring gap a bunch so its loose as a goose and gonna throw 20+psi boost at it on e85 and see wtf happens lol.
@@matthewchamberlain1205 why would you say hes not going to when a monkey can throw a wrench at a engine and blow it up its not like what hes doing isnt unrealistic or not happened many times before hand
Superb review. So many enthusiast forget just how hard it is to make a good turbo package work AND fit into a car. One thing I'm curious about and wasn't talked about, was what kind of fuel and timing was the engine set at, given the mild cam (which turbos actually like) and old truck style heads. I couldn't tell if they were early generation Vortec heads or not.
I found with many things, you can either spend more money, or more time. But either way you can't get something for nothing. This was a perfect example of that fact.
Although sometimes amazon has car parts cheaper than advance auto after using a good coupon. Sometimes amazon has certain car parts cheaper than anyone with free two day shipping. It's because Amazon doesn't make a profit, so sometimes you can get something for nothing but not in this case.
I used to go to a steel fab/machine shop... they had a sign at their order desk... We offer 3 levels of service... fast, good and cheap... you get to choose 2. Fast and good = not cheap Cheap and good = not fast Cheap and fast = not good
Steve Brule, love watching him dyno he definitely is a wealth of knowledge. Would love to see this kit put on 4.6 Ford 2 valve engine for 97-03 f150. With proper tubing setup for street and economy with say 400 hp!
The “old guy” is Steve Brule. He is a legend in the dino world. Steve is a super tuner and has seen tuned almost every imaginable combinations. Listen to “the old guy” and you can learn many things grasshopper.
I have a 2008 Chevy Silverado 1500 5.3 L I am very interested in looking to do a kit like this all my truck but from seeing what you guys did in here and what you guys said is there any way you would be able to respond with the list of what I would need to change in the kit in order to make a function on my truck without blowing it up I would greatly appreciate it you guys are awesome and I love watching you please help me out thank you
I say if you want to buy a cheap turbo buy a cheap turbo take it to a diesel or performance shop and have them digitally balance the inducer and turbine as well as inspect the oil and water seals(if it uses water) that way you should be able to get years of use out of it instead of the possibility of it grenade-ing then just source your other parts elsewhere
The hot side parts of this kit are a clone of a hot side kit originally sold by a company called BBS Designs. It is made to fit the 3rd generation F-Bodies. It was based on a custom passenger side manifold (which is why the flange on that side is so square/homemade looking) and a cheaper "shorty" driver side header from ebay/pacesetter/whatever which is why that side looks like a real aftermarket part. The crossover is in the same place where all the late 70's through 90's RWD SBC single exhaust cars have had it. Right between the oil pan and the cross member. Because it is made to fit the odd packaging for factory 3rd gen F-Bodies, with a few small compromises, it is not generally good as a "universal" SBC. Even in a 3rd gen F-Body it required plenty of fitment modification. I am a sort of third gen historian. Others know this stuff too, but there are less and less of us left all the time. Now you have the information.
Why did the put the exhaust side of the turbo going towards the front of the engine? Wouldn't it have worked better real world if they had turned it 180° towards the rear with a ram air type setup coming from the front of vehicle engine to feed intake side?
They have the manifolds on the wrong sides. Surely if they could weld an extra wastegate on thay could mod the crossover pipe to clear the engine dyno mount.
I was thinking the same thing until about 10 minutes in, when Jim from Westech explains that they had to put them on the wrong way because of clearance issues. It was apparently the only way to make it work without a lot more improvised fab work is what I'm thinking.
What is the kits name? I have a 89 Rs camao im debating starting this project on. turbo the sbc 350 or put good pistons cam and head work on it and aim for 400 hp NA
If you dont run a boost controller you still need to connect the wastegate to boost pressure. Wastegate spring pressure means that if you fit a boost reference line to the top without a controller, the wastegate will open when it reaches that spring pressure. If you dont fit a boost reference, it thinks you're at 0 boost and stays shut.
Before youtube and online tutorials existed there were talented wrenchers and urban engineers. The Holley double pumper shown in this video with the correct mods make great Blow through carbs on the cheap. And when set up properly they are reliable. Tell me about this turbulence lol?
That was NOT a blow through carb. Nor did they have vacuum lines and check valves and pcv ran correctly for a turbo set up. THAT is why they got oil everywhere. Demon blow through carb will run you $650
The way the piping routes under the oil pan reminds me of my 3rd gen camaros exhaust piping style. Squeezes between the crossmember and the oil pan just like that.
no really!! they did this test for people that wanted an ebay turbo kit!! so if the turbo was on the drivers side it would be on the brake booster and the crossover pipe would be hitti g the crossmember!!
I was waiting for the bottom end to Grenade! So all together it needs a boost controller and a bigger waste gate or two small ones and some metal moving for spark plug clearance. All that for right around $1000….. wonder what it could do on a bone stock 5.3 with a carved intake and an edelbrok carb…??either way that motor should top out at 300-350 and it almost doubled that. Great video! We viewers need a detailed parts list please!!
You pay for convenience. If the company took all the guesswork and welding needed out of this setup, it'd be most likely 3 to 4 times as much...good video and good job.
I Want too see a "rear mounted style turbo system:... dyno before and after.. Mounting the same turbo, but back 10 ft??? and running a boost pipe back too front,, and obviously need a oil scavenge pump.... rear mounts are easy way to go on certain vehichles.... And theres proof that thy work.. but.. be cool too se dyno results..
I like this. A build that will fit my poor ass budget. I would really like to know how long this setup would last in a daily driver under very moderate abuse.
That is darned good advice at the end. It applies to so many of the things in our lives. What you put into your brain from firsthand experience, will stay with you for a long time. There is only shame in asking the same question over numerous times. This was very interesting to me. I had a good laugh at the flow path adjustment on the right rear header tube. “Hey Buford, if’n we whack it...........” Job complete.
Thank you for buying that turbo kit and putting it on a regular motor. Not all of us can afford Forged this and that plus name brand turbo system. It's fun to truly hot rod your ride over the weekend and just have fun driving the crap out of the car. Some people just think every build is going to be show car caliber. Not me 😂.
Might have to buy one of these cheap turbo kits. Actually, an even smaller turbo would be nice. Running a 1985 Ram D-150, built Torqueflite 727 auto trans, Dana 80 rear end, 318 V8, ported and polished stock heads, Comp 268HE cam. 318's enjoy boost. Low compression ratio, and an overbuilt rotating assembly from the factory, with a small bore and stroke.
I think the boost built so quick and high mainly because the stock heads aren't flowing as well as a set of performance heads/ ported and polished etc. The measurement of boost psi is the resistance to flow. A better setup would flow a lot better and you wouldn't see such a boost spike. But is what it is for what it is.
The blow off valve adapter is a smaller size because it should go on the hot side of the turbo system. You want a smaller diameter pipe directly after the turbo and gradually step it up to the intercooler. After the intercooler you want your 3 inch .
I bet this kit was designed for a right hand drive vehicle. It came from Asia on the cheap. Sounds logical to me. The exhaust would have been routed properly and not be interfering with the steering or brake systems.
I have the same setup on a tpi system works great. I made a short 5" extension to deal with the exhaust clearence issues added a second $25 waste gate. And she'll push 20 psi all day long.
@@wesleygreen6541 I had the kit in the video in an 85 suburban worked well. I didn't like the headers I had angled spark plugs so it was ok except cylinder 6 & 8 were a pain. I had to massage the header and make a special wrench for said cylinders. If you have straight plugs it may be difficult. I would put a kit together from optimal components. A decent pair of twin turbo headers a turbo a couple 38 ish mm wastegates a bov manual boost control is a good start with exception of tuning. Are you efi or carbureted? As far as the titan run the turbos in place of the mufflers.
This vid is awesome. I'm doing this exact setup on my sbc but it actually has forged pistons bored over .70, Big cam,double hump heads fully rebuilt. Would like to know exactly what extra blow off valve y'all had to get to control the boost control and what regulator as well. Please get back to me asap
How/what did you use for the distributer? Did uou lock it out or keep the vaccum advance? This is the what im having trouble with and i cant seem to find anything that helps me out
Sounds like it'd be a better idea to piece a kit together yourself using a pair of low mileage WRX turbos as they have oil & water plumbed to them and are often sold cheap because the owner upgraded. They're intended for an engine that is 2.5 L at most each. Buy some generic intercooler piping in the proper size on eBay or Amazon. Buy a digital boost controller and a air/water intercooler OR a couple of used stock WRX intercoolers...also prone to being cheap as most swap them out for larger and have a space for a BOV...once again use a factory Subaru BOV as it bolts right on. Get a couple of bell-mouth down pipes and cut them to fit, maybe use a stainless exhaust coupler to join it up to the 3" exhaust. It would work well with a cheap Holley TBI kit that is user tuneable but use a boost referenced fuel pressure regular. Finally make sure to get a set of gauges to monitor your boost and fuel/air ratio. The aftermarket downpipe will be likely equipped with a wideband O2 bung for this. You'll have to come up with headers and flanges that will mate to the turbos and you'll be able to use the carb hat they showed BUT it'll be reliable and inexpensive as those turbos if cared for will go 200k miles or more. You WILL have to work for it a bit but no more than you would if you bought a cheap China kit. This is how I'd do it...on a budget with parts that I know work.
Is it possible to go to the junk yard or keep your eyes and ears open and get two turbo’s off the same vehicles and build your own back yard dual turbo set up not worrying about getting the biggest turbo’s?would it be worth attempting?
Did you remove the cover on the blow off valve to check the spring? On Chinese blow off valves they sometimes put multiple springs inside for shipping. There are usually 2 or 3 springs for different boost pressures.
Are they running a stock carb and just changing jets? And are they running an msd distributer with vaccum advance, if they are did they lock out the distributer and drill the blow off valve protection in the carb?
Here is how we built the carb: www.hotrod.com/articles/build-blow-carb-less-50/ The distributor is a cheap HEI that was modified to limit advance. An MSD would work very well also.
came here to comment on the same thing, great vid but unprofessional as f. not to mention the carb at all. obvoiusly a boost app carb will cost as much as the premium package turbo kit. I cant believe they skipped that completely
Gen IV 454 60 over bore . forged internals flotek heads 2 bolt main studded. Hydraulic roller cam. Pair of gt45 turbos cx racing headers . making 1012 hp at back wheels .
In fairness, I seriously doubt at this power level reducing the intake tube size would effect power. But it was definitely a fail to have to find reducers.
I've seen this a million times tuning peoples cars with "ebay" turbo kits on them. The issue more often than not is not the wastegate is inadequate, often it's their lack of quality control. I've seen them come in with either missing or too small of firing rings causing leaks. I've also seen them come in missing washers or lose bolts around the plunger causing them to leak. While I DO NOT recommend these cheap kits, sometimes you get lucky and I've seen them work. I will say this, IF you must run one, I always recommend you disassemble the wastegate and loctite it together and do your own quality control of sorts, you have a MUCH better chance of success with these. Again, I don't recommend it, but if you must, be sure your wastegate is all good and test it after.
Evan Perkins yeah you win some and lose some on these kits. It's a cheap route to boost but they always require modification to work lol. Still, very cool to see an unbiased testing, you guys should test the on3 kits next. Do a battle of the Chinese budget turbo kits lol.
Nice video guys, I would like to know more about the carb size, jets, power valve?, pressure to the carb bowls, ignition timing and fuel used.... thanks
I think it's less about about "will it work" and more about "how long will it work for?" Any old turbo can push 7 or 8 pounds of pressure down a pipe but after a year or so which ones will still have good bearing and seals and all that good stuff? Especially at the heat and speed that these things run at. Probably pretty hit or miss with cheap ones.
There are a million ways to answer this, but maybe more details would make for a better answer. Your budget has a lot to do with it, but even within a given budget, there are PLENTY of options for a Chevy small-block. I'd ditch the 350 trans personally, but if you don't foresee much highway driving, a swap might not be financially sensible (the main reason to swap IMO is to save fuel). Of course, there's also another way to make a car go down the road, comrade... th-cam.com/video/I89llX3HUWc/w-d-xo.html
curious what you did with the fuel system... at 10PSI, you just ran out of fuel.. I did not see any lines going to bowls and no idea what kind of pump you have..
I got one of these kits (without headers) for a steal and have seen it do 1000hp+ on a Mazda Starlet, the solution to the explosive boost problems was to replace the fake wastegate with a real 50mm progate.
Go cheap turbo, piping etc if you want but don't scrape on the wastegate/blowoff valve they are the only things regulating the boost getting in your engine.
Also thanks for a wicked video
I’ve had friends disassemble the waste gates and re machine the seats and haven’t had a problem since 👌🏾
walter Hutchinson yess, here in the carribean we just keep them properly lubed or a small film of anti seizure paste and be done with it.. they are both mechanical parts not much science there..
Thank you sir
@@bobdabuilde99 Down here in sweet home Alabama we just put a bottle on it. Nos works mi amigo!
That's what I was always told for years when I was younger and first got into turbo cars. They said you can go cheap with the non-moving metal parts, you can even go cheap on a turbo (if you have to), but if you go cheap on a wastegate or BOV (especially the wastegate) then be prepared to replace an engine block in the not so distant future.
why is everyone complaining they made a extra 250 hp for $1000 thats gotta be the best deal ive ever seen haha
Amen
Could add a used Cheater nitrous kit and spray 250... cost a third of that. Have it on the car in 2 hours...
SERIOUSLY. For my engine there's a SC kit made by RR Racing that costs roughly $7k and only makes about 150hp more than stock...😑
The ones complaining are the exact same ones who don't know how to turn a wrench.
Word
Half metric and half sae, so it's an 80's GM product.
living that struggle right now with my 79 Malibu haha man I don't miss these days.
I know the struggle. 84 el camino
86 trans am here,were is my fucking 10mm
I have a 86 Chevy and it’s all standard, I don’t know how this feels
@@Shade_tree_garage01 no it isn't. Just because you use the wrong sockets doesn't make it SAE...LOL
"This thing makes too much boost." Diesel guys: "Too much boost? What's that?"
Every time I see a huge lifted turbocharged diesel truck I always ask the owner if he has a CO2 extinguisher or an emergency shut-off kit for it!
AND THEY ALWAYS SAY NO!
I will never understand diesel owners that will build a $75,000 rig and then not put a $300 CO2 extinguisher kit on it to stop it from running away accidentally
@@thecloneguyz extinguisher would be useless. Shut down is a must on a high revver or built motors. Few hundred does save a few grand in an engine
@@thecloneguyz I'd say an extinguisher is more important if you're using pretty much any other fuel, including lithium ion batteries. You wanna talk about runaway? Try "venting with flame" (thermal runaway) on several thousand 18650 cells in a big Tesla.
Richard Wolfe they wouldn’t use a big truck to compensate if they were smart.
Lol.
My dad gave me his old 1988 caprice with a stock 350 motor he maintain almost daily for 25 + years and when i got it car had barely 35k miles on it since pops worked from home and was more of a family town car ...first i rebuilt the engine my self top to bottom nothing was spared ...then i added bullet proof parts basically and the correct set up for procharger that was fun then i decided to add a huge turbo and some beautiful custom heads / manifolds and full exhaust to compliment the build and the car ...i didnt want it sound like a hood box chevy..i wanted it to sound like a Chevrolet 9c1 police intercetor that it was born to be ....i love america and its many American cars ....this one fits me like a glove....i also have a 1984 Fleetwood brougham de' elegance 4dr with same exact build.....beautiful Cadillac.........i love america
Geez when the music(?) kicked in @ 9:35 my heart dropped i thought you guys spun a bearing or something lol
You're not alone!
Same bro
You guys have the old school knowledge that many people buying these systems on line DO NOT HAVE.... experience is the key.... Great Job Guys!!!!
I did the same turbo build but with a different manifold on my blow through 385ci 89 s10. Don't know the power level but it's set on 10 lb and I've been driving it for 2 years no problems. As long as you do the proper prep work and maintenance it will last for a long time
what I got out of this is this... buy the turbo itself. Everything else make yourself or buy from a good company
with the SBC in particular. you can get decent headers any number of places for a good price and youll be fabricating a crossover pipe anyway.
in my case the options are complete scratch build or ebay manifold. but thats whatbi get for playing with obscure japanese cars.
Chinese ebay turbos are really actually very good these days, the trick has always been to buy one of those while fabing your own pipes and getting used good quality wastegate(s). Run it sensibly and it'll last years, push it hard and it'll go bang but so will everything.
+DrewLSsix meh, you don't really need headers, I've seen some fast junk running flipped cast manifolds. From what some Slops have told me the thinner tubing is releasing a lot of heat and thermodynamic energy that is what turbos crave. I thinks I'd at least attempt to spray a few coats of hitemp coating and wrap shit cloth on the tubular headers. The heat only helps the the turbo spin up all the rest needs to be piped as far away from the engine compartment as possible. me thinks.
Tyler Wabnitz yeah
I assume the pipes supplied are ment to be cut and modified. I think they just give a basic amount of pipe to work with. A little extra pipe wouldn't be much. I'd buy the pipe kit cheep and then get me a good turbo.
Would love to see how much it makes right before blowing the engine
I would say not much more.....if done properly without block improvements
without a boost controller, you hook manifold pressure to the bottom Port of the wastegate and leave the top Port open. Then that pressure acts on the spring in the diaphragm thus opening the wastegate at the proper psi... they had the manifold pressure hooked to the top of the gate hence why it kept pegging the boost
They said when the gate was fully open it still wouldn't vent enough exhaust
@@StevenWillmy the way they had it plumbed (wrong), the gate could never really open the way it's supposed to
From the look of it the turbo is assembled 180° off, shouldn't the cold or intake side face the front of the vehicle in a real world scenario?
That's what happens when you buy a kit without installation instructions
Thanks guys, this video really helped. It's nice to see people out there helping others & letting them know what really works & what doesn't work. Too many people go out there thinking they know everything & then blow stuff up. This gives me hope for a sleeper that I want to build.
Did you get your ' sleeper' built? Or were you just running your pie hole?
@@wildestcowboy2668 poop
@@Jonandtan69 dookie shoot?
@@wildestcowboy2668 he never built it.. however I am building mine with a custom turbo manifold a one off if u will.. I wanna be the first person with a T4 98mm turbo on a 2l Chevy motor ( factory 4 cylinder motor ) on a Cadillac ATS 😂 bout to push the capabilities of this thing. As of right now the biggest that’s been on any ATS motor is a 70-74 I believe from zzp which currently has the record for worlds fastest ATS but.. imma bout to beat ‘em hopefully 🤞 WISH ME LUCK!!
Just isn't the same not seeing freiburger in that room standing next to the motor....
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cadillacphxful
Haha so right
Motor is actually called electric motorized, you need to edit your comment and change it to engine, not motor lol
BAM!
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When they said they were gonna hit it I thought they were talking about the spark plug at first 😂😂
Just drive it in a little deeper and that plug wire will slip right in lol
Header plugs
Nice video showing what one is getting their self into by buying an eBay turbo kit...but the real question is longevity and reliability. Take that motor and drop it into...well, anything and give it to Freiburger and Finnegan. Have them drive it to Key West and back.
agreed. I'd love to see that
Reliability is usually the weak point of eBay turbos. The concept of producing power with a turbo is easy. The reason why the big name turbos cost more is because when parts are spinning at 100,000+ RPM, the extra money spent on balancing, blueprinting, and quality materials is the difference between a turbo that lasts and one that grenades 6 months down the road.
M Modtomic If a eBay turbo cost 400 500 bucks and it last a year long enough to win a few grudge races I'll just replace it, it's cheap HP over replacing a 3K 4K turbo! The eBay turbos are balanced and they make big power you just have to know your shit; keep a spare they won't break the bank💨💨💨
Plus if after a year if your ebay unit fails you can opt for the name brand or go ebay again. If I was to put a turbo on say, a miata, to make 200whp I would go ebay to keep a cheap fun car cheap.
lol you'll just spend the same amount in the end. Just do it right the first time. You can get a nice rebuildable Precision journal bearing turbo for 700 to 1200 bucks lol. Thing is that turbo could blow first run. I don't trust Chinese metallurgy lol
What's a good lobe separation for a forced induction truck motor like this one I'm building a 396sbc hydraulic roller this is one thing I'm stuck on
I'd like to know how much extra they spent to actually get the system to work.
That's a good question.
Thinking it's "Piece of Mind".
Part M1
Well, factor in the price for either a much larger wastegate to replace the other, or just add a second one that's the same size. Factor in welding costs, if you cant do it yourself, i'd say probably $120, maybe cheaper if you take it to the right people. and the air filter.
One thing they don't talk about is that you'll need a blow-through carb which will run you a pretty penny..
I personally believe that if you go with the cheaper, $700 kit, and buy all the necessary items for the kit to work, and pay someone to tune the carb, and weld the pipes, it would run you near $1500-$1700, give or take a hundred or two. reason for that is the kit and the carb alone will run you near $1100 alone.
you have a magazine from the future?!? damn son
RizoProduction waste gates alone are over $100 and a tune is $450-500. plus $700 for kit. and several hundred more for boost controller, a/f ratio gauge and all the miscellaneous stuff you need.
At 6:16 there's a bird flying around in the dyno room...how many people notice that...lol
Do one about an ls engine, like a junkyard 5.3 or 5.7
I saw one where they boosted the pressure to 32.5 psi on a junk yard 5.3 LS . They got to 1500 hp before the thing blew up!!!
im gonna use a junkyard 350 2 bolt main in an ebay twin turbo project and see what the limit is as i haven't seen anyone really try to blow it up yet and see how far it can be pushed. some headstud's and main studs half fill the water jacket with cement open up the ring gap a bunch so its loose as a goose and gonna throw 20+psi boost at it on e85 and see wtf happens lol.
@@GnarshredProductions no youre not
@@matthewchamberlain1205 why would you say hes not going to when a monkey can throw a wrench at a engine and blow it up its not like what hes doing isnt unrealistic or not happened many times before hand
And here are the losing streak fanboys
Superb review. So many enthusiast forget just how hard it is to make a good turbo package work AND fit into a car. One thing I'm curious about and wasn't talked about, was what kind of fuel and timing was the engine set at, given the mild cam (which turbos actually like) and old truck style heads. I couldn't tell if they were early generation Vortec heads or not.
this could have been an engine masters episode
Was going to say this.
Also Where is freiburger. Was expecting some whitty lame-yet-cool line.
motortrend
777superduty motortrend owns hot rod Freiburger is the boss there
I commented on an engine masters episode about this exact idea. Glad to see them test it but also disappointed no Freiburger.
i love how Robert Duvall is a Dyno tuner and actor
i loved him in Secondhand Lions
looks just like him! lol!
Cole... is that you?
😭💀
I found with many things, you can either spend more money, or more time. But either way you can't get something for nothing. This was a perfect example of that fact.
Although sometimes amazon has car parts cheaper than advance auto after using a good coupon. Sometimes amazon has certain car parts cheaper than anyone with free two day shipping. It's because Amazon doesn't make a profit, so sometimes you can get something for nothing but not in this case.
Kerry Wick
I used to go to a steel fab/machine shop... they had a sign at their order desk...
We offer 3 levels of service... fast, good and cheap... you get to choose 2.
Fast and good = not cheap
Cheap and good = not fast
Cheap and fast = not good
@@kevinkarbonik2928
That's an awesome sign. It's kind of true for everything in life.
Yup well said
Steve Brule, love watching him dyno he definitely is a wealth of knowledge. Would love to see this kit put on 4.6 Ford 2 valve engine for 97-03 f150. With proper tubing setup for street and economy with say 400 hp!
I'll stick to custom junk yard turbo systems
13 pounds of boost at 1000 rpm's 😂😂🤣🤣😂💀💀💀
200lb ft at idle...
The old guy looks like Robert Duvall :)
yeah i think Cole trickle could hold the outside line of turn four with this turbo and super sticky tires
The “old guy” is Steve Brule. He is a legend in the dino world. Steve is a super tuner and has seen tuned almost every imaginable combinations. Listen to “the old guy” and you can learn many things grasshopper.
Yes!!! That's what I thought at first.
Lmfao
TWIN BROTHER ..
otto
“Just like at home” *does it on an engine stand
A very good video, quite surprised me how that turned out with the power
What kit would you recommend for my 1997 1500 Chevy Silverado truck with a Vortec 5.7l engine. Was looking for a twin turbo kit for it.
“Set to kill” makes perfect sense.
I have a 2008 Chevy Silverado 1500 5.3 L I am very interested in looking to do a kit like this all my truck but from seeing what you guys did in here and what you guys said is there any way you would be able to respond with the list of what I would need to change in the kit in order to make a function on my truck without blowing it up I would greatly appreciate it you guys are awesome and I love watching you please help me out thank you
I say if you want to buy a cheap turbo buy a cheap turbo take it to a diesel or performance shop and have them digitally balance the inducer and turbine as well as inspect the oil and water seals(if it uses water) that way you should be able to get years of use out of it instead of the possibility of it grenade-ing then just source your other parts elsewhere
Crysis Contained or pick up a used holset turbo for a hundred bucks and replace the ebay turbo and use the rest of the kit
My Ebay turbos surviving 2 years and counting
The hot side parts of this kit are a clone of a hot side kit originally sold by a company called BBS Designs. It is made to fit the 3rd generation F-Bodies. It was based on a custom passenger side manifold (which is why the flange on that side is so square/homemade looking) and a cheaper "shorty" driver side header from ebay/pacesetter/whatever which is why that side looks like a real aftermarket part. The crossover is in the same place where all the late 70's through 90's RWD SBC single exhaust cars have had it. Right between the oil pan and the cross member. Because it is made to fit the odd packaging for factory 3rd gen F-Bodies, with a few small compromises, it is not generally good as a "universal" SBC. Even in a 3rd gen F-Body it required plenty of fitment modification. I am a sort of third gen historian. Others know this stuff too, but there are less and less of us left all the time. Now you have the information.
This kit will not fit third gen f body. The passenger header puts the turbo right into the strut tower, been there on an 87 iroc
Since Your A 3rd Gen Historian What Is A Good Turbo Kit To Go An 350 That Would Fit In A 3rd Gen. Im Heavily Thinking About It. An Single Or Dual
Why did the put the exhaust side of the turbo going towards the front of the engine? Wouldn't it have worked better real world if they had turned it 180° towards the rear with a ram air type setup coming from the front of vehicle engine to feed intake side?
B4Ctom1,
There used to be a similar kit for square body trucks... That's what I'm looking for. Does anyone make one for that application?
They have the manifolds on the wrong sides. Surely if they could weld an extra wastegate on thay could mod the crossover pipe to clear the engine dyno mount.
I was thinking the same thing until about 10 minutes in, when Jim from Westech explains that they had to put them on the wrong way because of clearance issues. It was apparently the only way to make it work without a lot more improvised fab work is what I'm thinking.
I'd be willing to bet it was originally designed for a RHD application where the brake booster would have been on the other side.
Its designed for a 3rd gen camro . turbos on the correct side but backwads. It fits the other way .
What is the kits name? I have a 89 Rs camao im debating starting this project on. turbo the sbc 350 or put good pistons cam and head work on it and aim for 400 hp NA
www.ebay.com/itm/SBC-SMALL-BLOCK-SB-CHEVY-GT45-SINGLE-TURBO-SETUP-MANIFOLD-KIT-WASTEGATE-OIL-LINE-/201106684031?hash=item2ed2e4787f:g:2asAAOSwmUdUWYMU&vxp=mtr
If you dont run a boost controller you still need to connect the wastegate to boost pressure.
Wastegate spring pressure means that if you fit a boost reference line to the top without a controller, the wastegate will open when it reaches that spring pressure.
If you dont fit a boost reference, it thinks you're at 0 boost and stays shut.
Seven hundred dollar turbo kit and fifteen grand worth of specialist labour to make it run properly!!!
Oh for fucksake man they just did it for us now just cut and paste the idea into your rig boom there you go
If you do proper research you can easily do it or go to forums if you have trouble and it's easy, you won't have to pay for prefessional help
It's like they're trying to debunk the electric supercharger lol
Nowhere near worth 15 grand worth of Labor
Maybe 1000 labour
I’ve watched this a hand full of times over the last few years it never gets old lol
Yeah but how much was that blow through carb?
you can modify a conventional carb to use in blow through applications. its a lot cheaper.
Sure, you can modify a conventional carb, but it works like shit. LOTS of turbulence and lost power potential.
Before youtube and online tutorials existed there were talented wrenchers and urban engineers.
The Holley double pumper shown in this video with the correct mods make great Blow through carbs on the cheap. And when set up properly they are reliable. Tell me about this turbulence lol?
_ Gross more than the entire kit😂😂
That was NOT a blow through carb. Nor did they have vacuum lines and check valves and pcv ran correctly for a turbo set up. THAT is why they got oil everywhere. Demon blow through carb will run you $650
The way the piping routes under the oil pan reminds me of my 3rd gen camaros exhaust piping style. Squeezes between the crossmember and the oil pan just like that.
What if the headers were just on the wrong side?
he said it at the end that the turbo would be on the brake booster!!
jessy6464 I don't see a brake booster in the dyno room LOL.
no really!! they did this test for people that wanted an ebay turbo kit!! so if the turbo was on the drivers side it would be on the brake booster and the crossover pipe would be hitti g the crossmember!!
jessy6464
you are right, it seems like they wanted to prove it was a piece of shit, and went ahead and did that. even though it seems like a good kit.
I was waiting for the bottom end to Grenade! So all together it needs a boost controller and a bigger waste gate or two small ones and some metal moving for spark plug clearance. All that for right around $1000….. wonder what it could do on a bone stock 5.3 with a carved intake and an edelbrok carb…??either way that motor should top out at 300-350 and it almost doubled that. Great video! We viewers need a detailed parts list please!!
You pay for convenience. If the company took all the guesswork and welding needed out of this setup, it'd be most likely 3 to 4 times as much...good video and good job.
YEP! Especially if its a specifically designed direct bolt on for specific make, model, and year.
Or, if they fixed some relatively simple issues, they'd sell 3 to 4 times as many.
I agree! These are not for the weekend warriors. If your tool box consists of a screwdriver, hammer and an adjustable wrench stay away.
@@Jester123ish You don't get it, kid. If they "fixed some relatively simple issues", the price goes up. This is capitalism. Period.
I Want too see a "rear mounted style turbo system:... dyno before and after..
Mounting the same turbo, but back 10 ft??? and running a boost pipe back too front,, and obviously need a oil scavenge pump....
rear mounts are easy way to go on certain vehichles.... And theres proof that thy work.. but.. be cool too se dyno results..
I like this. A build that will fit my poor ass budget. I would really like to know how long this setup would last in a daily driver under very moderate abuse.
check out the reviews found in youtube or on the internet of the "properly" installed eBay turbos. they're pretty reliable if you dont mash it.
That is darned good advice at the end. It applies to so many of the things in our lives. What you put into your brain from firsthand experience, will stay with you for a long time. There is only shame in asking the same question over numerous times. This was very interesting to me. I had a good laugh at the flow path adjustment on the right rear header tube. “Hey Buford, if’n we whack it...........” Job complete.
I Wana know where they got those amazon valve covers for $29.99. cheapest I found was $70
Try Ebay
I checked none for 29.99
Amazon prime hook up
Thank you for buying that turbo kit and putting it on a regular motor. Not all of us can afford Forged this and that plus name brand turbo system. It's fun to truly hot rod your ride over the weekend and just have fun driving the crap out of the car. Some people just think every build is going to be show car caliber. Not me 😂.
Might have to buy one of these cheap turbo kits. Actually, an even smaller turbo would be nice. Running a 1985 Ram D-150, built Torqueflite 727 auto trans, Dana 80 rear end, 318 V8, ported and polished stock heads, Comp 268HE cam. 318's enjoy boost. Low compression ratio, and an overbuilt rotating assembly from the factory, with a small bore and stroke.
"Overbuilt" cast crank and pistons? LOL
I have that little Makita drill. Used it for over ten years. Highly recommend.
Well for 700 USD get ferrari and lambo power - it is win. Yes need to work and hak and modify. But you cant ignore power and torque
You forgot reliability.
if you upgrade car parts like cilinder heads and the pistons etc you can get a nice reliable car
Ferraris and Lambos are reliable?
I will take all American Corvette 8 litre power over Lamborghini or Porsche power any day .
@@michaelledford4751 wtf did you just say about our lord and savior, daddy Porsche?
Can you switch the headers side to side? Because if you could the turbo would be facing the other way and maybe you'd have fewer clearance issues?
Now, show how this is installed in the truck. The way you have it shown in the video, it would never fit.
Lookup Fuel injection sucks he installed one in his 78 Chevy C10 with a stock truck motor, stock intake etc etc
I think the boost built so quick and high mainly because the stock heads aren't flowing as well as a set of performance heads/ ported and polished etc. The measurement of boost psi is the resistance to flow. A better setup would flow a lot better and you wouldn't see such a boost spike. But is what it is for what it is.
Damn makes me want to buy this kit now. Thats some great numbers for a old 305 👍
350, not 305.
The blow off valve adapter is a smaller size because it should go on the hot side of the turbo system. You want a smaller diameter pipe directly after the turbo and gradually step it up to the intercooler. After the intercooler you want your 3 inch .
I bet this kit was designed for a right hand drive vehicle. It came from Asia on the cheap. Sounds logical to me. The exhaust would have been routed properly and not be interfering with the steering or brake systems.
At 9:37 was that spark knock or the rods letting go?
I have the same setup on a tpi system works great. I made a short 5" extension to deal with the exhaust clearence issues added a second $25 waste gate. And she'll push 20 psi all day long.
Do you have a 5.7? Looking for a kit for mine.
@@wesleygreen6541 I have a 5.0, a 5.7, and a couple turbo bbc's. What vehicle are you working with?
@@kdsboosted4954 im gonna single turbo my Suburban And more than likely double my Titan cause theres no room under the hood.
@@wesleygreen6541 I had the kit in the video in an 85 suburban worked well. I didn't like the headers I had angled spark plugs so it was ok except cylinder 6 & 8 were a pain. I had to massage the header and make a special wrench for said cylinders. If you have straight plugs it may be difficult. I would put a kit together from optimal components. A decent pair of twin turbo headers a turbo a couple 38 ish mm wastegates a bov manual boost control is a good start with exception of tuning. Are you efi or carbureted? As far as the titan run the turbos in place of the mufflers.
This vid is awesome. I'm doing this exact setup on my sbc but it actually has forged pistons bored over .70, Big cam,double hump heads fully rebuilt. Would like to know exactly what extra blow off valve y'all had to get to control the boost control and what regulator as well. Please get back to me asap
A cast crank going over 600 ftlb and 500 hp is kind of scarry
to you lol thats the beauty of cars, its all your opinion.
We make that all day with 4 cyl blocks I would hope a v8 could handle that much.
This is amazing!!! That was ridiculous. I have a 350 crate that puts 330hp stock. I can't imagine how amazing my car would be with this.
Steve and Westech are all over TH-cam, lov'n it.
How/what did you use for the distributer? Did uou lock it out or keep the vaccum advance? This is the what im having trouble with and i cant seem to find anything that helps me out
the only reason that engine made more power to the smash the headers in
You need to watch Engine Masters.
yeah iknkw thats where i got it from
What?
+BNMedia he tried to say that denting headers increased hp.
Vince Lee lols grammer flew out thw window the second i had a joke
Sounds like it'd be a better idea to piece a kit together yourself using a pair of low mileage WRX turbos as they have oil & water plumbed to them and are often sold cheap because the owner upgraded. They're intended for an engine that is 2.5 L at most each. Buy some generic intercooler piping in the proper size on eBay or Amazon. Buy a digital boost controller and a air/water intercooler OR a couple of used stock WRX intercoolers...also prone to being cheap as most swap them out for larger and have a space for a BOV...once again use a factory Subaru BOV as it bolts right on. Get a couple of bell-mouth down pipes and cut them to fit, maybe use a stainless exhaust coupler to join it up to the 3" exhaust. It would work well with a cheap Holley TBI kit that is user tuneable but use a boost referenced fuel pressure regular. Finally make sure to get a set of gauges to monitor your boost and fuel/air ratio. The aftermarket downpipe will be likely equipped with a wideband O2 bung for this. You'll have to come up with headers and flanges that will mate to the turbos and you'll be able to use the carb hat they showed BUT it'll be reliable and inexpensive as those turbos if cared for will go 200k miles or more. You WILL have to work for it a bit but no more than you would if you bought a cheap China kit. This is how I'd do it...on a budget with parts that I know work.
Plan on doing this essentially on my 4.8, if it doesn't work I have an HX52 as backup.
"were going to build it like everyone else does" on that couple thousand dollar dyno?
Could the headers be on the wrong sides, and if they were swapped the other way, would the turbo face the proper direction in that configuration?
Don't know about you guys,
but I think I will pony up the extra green for something that fits a little better.
CRX Racing comes to mind.
Was that an unmodified carb you put boost to? What did you guys set timing at
YES!!!!! Please do more videos like this!!!
No knowledge of turbos but if u upgrade the wastegate would that help solve the issue?
You got it to work on the Dino but I would now like to see you put that in a car
Original under hood typhoon V6
Is it possible to go to the junk yard or keep your eyes and ears open and get two turbo’s off the same vehicles and build your own back yard dual turbo set up not worrying about getting the biggest turbo’s?would it be worth attempting?
twin turbo set up ?????
im getting ideas here
Did you remove the cover on the blow off valve to check the spring? On Chinese blow off valves they sometimes put multiple springs inside for shipping. There are usually 2 or 3 springs for different boost pressures.
9:34 brutal detonation or what????
sounds like compressor surge to me
Sounds more like a collapsed lifter with the inevitable pushrod / rocker arm clatter.
Yeah, that sounded bad.
Are they running a stock carb and just changing jets? And are they running an msd distributer with vaccum advance, if they are did they lock out the distributer and drill the blow off valve protection in the carb?
Here is how we built the carb: www.hotrod.com/articles/build-blow-carb-less-50/
The distributor is a cheap HEI that was modified to limit advance. An MSD would work very well also.
6:16 fly by
excellent .... friend i have a question please ... how many pounds did you use in the last test? If it is a stock sbc, how many pounds can it support?
Is that a normal carb? Not pressurized carb???? How is
It not blowing gas out the vent wholes????
*holes. its a blow through supplied by westech
It looks like the vent holes are under pressure as well.
I was wondering that myself
*whores
If it's Blowing & Holes lets use the right words gentlemen.
came here to comment on the same thing, great vid but unprofessional as f. not to mention the carb at all. obvoiusly a boost app carb will cost as much as the premium package turbo kit. I cant believe they skipped that completely
Gen IV 454 60 over bore . forged internals flotek heads 2 bolt main studded. Hydraulic roller cam. Pair of gt45 turbos cx racing headers . making 1012 hp at back wheels .
Very informative, think I will be using tried and proven sets and leaving the mystery builds to the stunt men.
In fairness, I seriously doubt at this power level reducing the intake tube size would effect power. But it was definitely a fail to have to find reducers.
So this is what Robert Duvall is doing after Days of thunder. 😄😂😂😂
the headers look very small in dia. would putting larger ones with large full exhaust work??
I've seen this a million times tuning peoples cars with "ebay" turbo kits on them. The issue more often than not is not the wastegate is inadequate, often it's their lack of quality control. I've seen them come in with either missing or too small of firing rings causing leaks. I've also seen them come in missing washers or lose bolts around the plunger causing them to leak. While I DO NOT recommend these cheap kits, sometimes you get lucky and I've seen them work. I will say this, IF you must run one, I always recommend you disassemble the wastegate and loctite it together and do your own quality control of sorts, you have a MUCH better chance of success with these. Again, I don't recommend it, but if you must, be sure your wastegate is all good and test it after.
Good call on the on quality control issue. This kit also had really poor placement of the gate. It only receives exhaust flow from one port.
Evan Perkins yeah you win some and lose some on these kits. It's a cheap route to boost but they always require modification to work lol. Still, very cool to see an unbiased testing, you guys should test the on3 kits next. Do a battle of the Chinese budget turbo kits lol.
Nice video guys, I would like to know more about the carb size, jets, power valve?, pressure to the carb bowls, ignition timing and fuel used.... thanks
"Once we got it running, it was actually kind of fun" hahaha boost has that effect on people!
Is that a blow through carb? And was it already on it? I didn't hear/see anything about it.
I feel like I've watched this before
It aired during a cleanup break during Drag Week. Cant remember which day.. 3, I think.
Yea that was it thanks for letting me know
11:15. “ I love the smell of gasoline in the morning...smells like....victory”
the fly that flew infront of the camera - i thought it was in my room
what about the carb? did you have to modify it for blow-through capability?
I think it's less about about "will it work" and more about "how long will it work for?" Any old turbo can push 7 or 8 pounds of pressure down a pipe but after a year or so which ones will still have good bearing and seals and all that good stuff? Especially at the heat and speed that these things run at. Probably pretty hit or miss with cheap ones.
Red Rolo I guess they never miss huh
? What is that sound @ 9:35 ? , is the engine gone now ?
I think you guys put the manifolds on the wrong sides.
they said in the video why that was done
clearly they were going out of there way to make sure it didn't work right.
I too thought this, but If they turned it they said there would've been clearance issues around the brake booster (in a car).
i have the same headers on my 84 camaro and the passenger side is the only place the turbo will fit. due to the break booster.
draggonhedd it comes like that the kit is shit
Great information, I have a stock 350 motor, with 350 turbo, and I want to upgrade it, what best way to doing so in a 70 impale
There are a million ways to answer this, but maybe more details would make for a better answer. Your budget has a lot to do with it, but even within a given budget, there are PLENTY of options for a Chevy small-block. I'd ditch the 350 trans personally, but if you don't foresee much highway driving, a swap might not be financially sensible (the main reason to swap IMO is to save fuel).
Of course, there's also another way to make a car go down the road, comrade...
th-cam.com/video/I89llX3HUWc/w-d-xo.html
Entry level explosion.
curious what you did with the fuel system... at 10PSI, you just ran out of fuel.. I did not see any lines going to bowls and no idea what kind of pump you have..