Is This The Best Board For Klipper? BigTreeTech Manta & CB1
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In today's video, we take a look at the brand new new Manta Series boards from BigTreeTech. These are specifically designed for Klipper and have some awesome features and just about every connector you could want to upgrade your printer or create a custom build.
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Manta M8P Github:
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I have had a few comments and messages regarding wifi issues on the CB1. I checked with the CB1 I received and installed on the M8P and didnt have any issues. The second one I ordered from Aliexpress I installed in the Pi 4B Adapter and have tried the latest image (2 days ago) and previous but wifi either works briefly or doesn't work at all. I gave feedback to BTT on this and have been told it is not hardware but the image that is causing the issue. I am really hoping they are able to get this hammered out sooner than later. When I do get the wifi on the CB1 reliably working I will make a setup guide. Pi 4b and Manta boards with CM4 are not affected by this as it is related to the CB1 image file.
For someone who only cars about wired connections, does the V1.1.0 bullseye work just fine?
@@BackwoodsTinkerer I have not heard of any Ethernet issues. Just don’t use the latest since it intentionally breaks Ethernet. The latest has been stable on one of the two cb1 units over wifi for 2 days now so it’s definitely corrected the issue for some units. But yeah I hadn’t heard any issues from those that are wired.
This WIFI isn't an issue limited to the CB1. It uses the H616 SOC, just like the Orange PI Zero 2's I have worked with, and can confirm the issue lies with the Armbian/Debian builds. Old versions had no driver support 2 years ago, versions circa Feb of this year work OK. Recent versions of Armbian Bulleye have failed to boot at all!! I have had reasonably better luck with Debian, rather than Armbian builds.
Ethernet on the other hand is just plain solid all the way around.
@@luisderivas6005 I only run ethernet on my printers anyway. I just dont like having that stuff on wifi. What build are you using for your CB1? Could you share a link?
These manta boards are insane! Definitely just broke the mold and I can see this being the baseline for the future.
I love how BigTreeTech probably solved the whole raspberry pi supply issues with this board, added a ton of features, and are now selling this for a cool $125 fully specced out. And it looks and probably feels premium too! These guys earn my respect and they genuinely deserve to sell their products!
Just picked up the M8+CB1+8 x 2209's for $91 with coupon w/ free shipping in USA!
That's an INSANE opportunity to get a "Raspberry Pi" compatible board at a reasonable price. Thanks Daniel for this video! Just bought one set. Oh man! That's great news! I wish BigTreeTech had sent me one too! ha ha ha ha I have so many projects waiting for Raspberry Pi boards!
I was wondering when one of the board OEMs would make something like this. It just makes sense! Thanks for the video, I hadn't seen any news about this yet.
I just received my M8P and CB1 for my new Trident build. Time for wiring so the only issue I have here is it is so new that there isn't a lot of info out there yet. Definitely better than paying out the nose for a scalped Pi plus a control board =). Please keep us updated on your build!
Was on the fence about trying this out, but after watching this i'm pretty much sold! I think i'll toss this combo into my upcoming micron build
I'll get one of these later in the year. When it was first announced I had already bought an orangepo zero 2 and a pi zero 2 I managed to snap. So both my printers are klipperized atm. Insane value proposition from BTT! Waiting to see custom builds with acrylic cases for the mainboard now!
I'm really pleased with how this content creator is growing creating more complicated material
Just got a MP4 and can't wait to get it up and running!
I've got a M4P coming and will be switching my stock CR10S board over to this! I've never done it before and hope to find some more tutorials on changing out the board.
LOVE the idea, cant wait to get me one!!!
I just ordered this kit. Thrilled. Just got mosquito w DDX3 kit. Going all out. Gonna be a LOT but it will be worth it
I agree, a monster of a board! Great vid Daniel 👍
Honestly, I don't really care about Klipper but the CB1 is great to see. Nice to know that CM4 compatible boards are a thing that can happen, as it's definitely a great form factor!
I was using a BigTreeTech in my Ender 3, now I bought a BIQU BX and can't be happier.
Makerbase also have a similar concept, the MKS SKIPR has a built in SBC and comes with a full configured display for Klipperscreen, they also have a working build of Fluid OS for it.
Great video and I used it as a guide to setup my printer! One thing to point out is that raspberry pi cameras and touch screens are not support by the CB1 due to it not supporting the CSI / DSI interface... Don't be like me and realize this too late...
I've got one of the M8P boards and a CB1 on the way for my custom IDEX setup on my Ender 3. I'm sure many of us would really appreciate a video about firmware setup on this board.
Do you have any of your designs available? I’ve scrapped a lot of my idex attempts
@@otroe Not yet. When I get it working I'll put it up somewhere. I'll try to remember to reply here again when I do.
I got exactly this bundle for my Artillery Sidewinder X2 and planning on upgrading it with this however I have got Klipper running at the moment on the BBT Pi 1.2v which is fit inside the case so no rush :)
Seems cool. I recently got into upgrading my Ender Pro 3 after using stock about a year. I am waiting on a E3 mini V3 and I kinda wish I had gone manta route.
I picked one up as soon as it was released, this is a great, inexpensive option to either upgrade an existing printer or build a new one. If you don't need the features in the octopus pro, the M8P is an amazing value from what I can see.
What features does the octopus offer that this doesn’t?
35 for 1gb ram seems kind of high. Have you witnessed any limitations with the small ram size?
Does it also have internal storage that klipper can be installed on or do you still need a sd card?
@@OregonDuck that’s what a standard Pi has along with the Pi zero
@@nathan1sixteen internal storage to install klipper on?
@@OregonDuck no, you install it on a micro SD, just like you would on a pi
Wow! They’ve come a long way in the past few months. I’ve been too busy to print and now my SKR 2 fried. For a 4th time. One of these would be nice to consolidate the electronics bay in my Switchwire XL
Great video man!
I picked up an M8P for an Ender 6 I am going to be turning into a Voron Trident knock off. Long ways to go still, but I did get Mainsail OS installed on the CM4 and klipper on the mainboard.
That is a sweet set up. Don't need it but it would be cool
Nice, thanks for the review.
How would the combo M8P + CB1 fit in a Voron 2.4 compared to an Octopus + RPi4?
Any noticeable difference worth mentioning between these 2 options? (ex: I don't see the replacable fuses anymore on the M8P)
Does a separate 5V power supply for the Pi still needed ?
Such a great video!
Bought the CB1 and the Raspberry pi base board and I'm running my media hub on it
Im in the process of updating my 15 printer print farm with all M4P and CB1, so far its great I love it
What kind of printers? And what made you decide to do a full conversion??
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These seem like a pretty cool sollution! Is kplipper version running fully ok on these? Tks for the video!
This looks great! I'm probably picking an M4P for my upcoming Twotrees Sapphire plus (although I think the MKS Robin nano has 5 steppers and the printer has dual z motor, so maybe an M8P might be the way to go)
Same. I think that ebb 36 can pcb for extruder with built-in stepper driver can fix that issue
Sounds great. Are they going to have a 6 motor version? So many printers need 5 or 6 motors.
Hopefully, btt gives the cb1 a upgrade in the future to more closely compair to the cb4. Im kinda vested in octopus boards but the manta certainly could clean up the electronics bay.
i think a manta 5p would have been better
since most generic builds are corexy with 2 steppers for Z
Or, maybe a 4p, 6p, and, the 8p.....
Generally corexy builds with only two Z steppers run them synchronously, which is why you'll often find dual Z stepper headers on BTT boards running from just one driver. Looking at the pinout for the M4P this is indeed the case. Aka, the M4P can run five steppers, two of those being synchronized z-axis steppers.
@@bentracy7463 ye, but i run dual z stepper drivers on my basic corexy printer, and most builds these days can even use 3, trident ratrig
@@bartklump fair enough, although imo at that point one might as well jump to an eight driver board for future proofing. A six driver option would be nice though.
M5P exists now
Been waiting for someone to do a video on this, looks great! Wished they had gone with the new EZ style drivers. Seems like they are only half in on the new style of driver connection, and I think the new style of driver connections is what we should have had since day one, but I guess it is what it is and it is still an awesome board.
What are the EZ drivers? I've not seen those and a quick Google search came up blank.
@@JonS i think MirageC made a video on the BTT SKR EZ board. And it should show the new kind of stepper drivers.
@@JonS They dont use pins, they are inserted more like a computer PCIe board would be. The drivers themselfs are not really any different, just the way they connect to the board is different. They are keyed and can only go in one way.
@@kristian6087 I think I seen that video. I just thought it was weird that they released the Manta boards without compatibility with the new driver. If I wanted to make sure the new standard of driver connections was the EZ drivers then everyboard I released with swappable drivers would have the EZ driver port on them.
I was sort of hoping that the EZ drivers would become the new standard of drivers for all boards going forward. I understand that it would take a little time to get everyone onboard with the new standard and that is the reason the EZ board is compatible with both the new and old style of drivers, but I would like to see a day the old pin style drivers are gone.
@@jon9947 ah! I found them now. Looks like a nice improvement.
Looks like they will put these on their new 3D printer the Biqu Hurakan which will be available to preorder on Oct 12. Keeping an eye on it.
Holy that is a bunch of features ! These mainboards are gonna place homemade printers on a whole new level as they don't require all the old tinkering anymore
They do require the tinkering more than ever. Have you not seen that they require you to install Raspberry Pi OS and Klipper?
@@alejandroperez5368 That's really not that of a big deal, comparing with what it once was with bulky pi installations, a large variety of cams and displays to choose between and all that
Having only software related things to do is really a game changer
seems like a great solution for all those voron builds :P
I never knew i need something so badly before!
I really like the Manta's features, now if they would just add in a support for an optional multi channel servo board. The foot print is still very close to the Octopus, insane.
They do need to spend more time on their documentation though, especially for their CANBUS products which will be my next adventure on my IDEX to reduce the number wires. I suspect we will see more canbus products for 3d print boards since they can be daisy chained. Same thing car manufactuers did so one ecu can monitor and control numerous modules.
If you can find an I2C interface then connecting a generic servo driver board should just be a case of software support. Same with connecting another MCU over USB that drives the servos, or a CAN controlled servo driver should be possible too.
Are you going to do an installation/setup video on this combo? Also, I noticed the Website says it won't work with their PiTFT, or am I misinterpreting that???
I just used this board for my new Voron2.4
Great review. Now I want one 🤣
The CB1 is more like the power of a Raspberry Pi 3B than the Raspberry Pi 4, but it is nice that they are using pin compatible connectors with the CM4.
I think the itnegrated board has pros, like easier mounting, better power supply and wiring, but I like the separate Pi 4 board solution because it allows me to add additional layers of protection where the Pi (or CB1 and Pi 4 adaptor) control power in the even that printer control board has issues that cause heaters to get stuck on
Note: H616 is not officially supported by armbian yet
So you are locked into manufacturer provided Linux distribution
Cry me a river. Use ethernet with Armbian or just use Debian.
@@luisderivas6005 ok, but why are you so aggressive?
Ooo this looks amazing wonder if anyone has put this in a voron
Averionics Typis 2.0 apparently is starting to integrate this board into their biodegradable 3D printer. They have been using BTT technology so it makes sense. Too bad they’re only for sale in Wisconsin.
It worth to mention that the CB1 is not and will not be compatible with DSI screen. Unfortunately the chip is not capable of MIPI protocol so we will not be able to use fancy touch screen like the PiTFT or there new raspberry pad !
On the other hand, you could always find an old 5 year Android phone for free from a recycling drop, and use Klipperscreen @ 1920x1080! I just tasked an old ZTE981 after wiping it and disabling Lookout and other un-needed binaries.
the ultimate board is an SKR Pico with a CM4/CB1port on the rear
I just picked up the manta E3EZ hoping to set it up on my sonic pad. After much frustration I caved and ordered the cb1.
My question is with the usb ports, would I be able to control a second printer from this board like I would with a cb1 powered pad7?
I hope you get your Wi-Fi to work with the cb1 they have a lot of work to get the os image working correctly I ended spending the money on a cm4 to get my manta to work
Looks good :D
Got that is a gorgeous board it's too bad that I power my clipper with an old Dell optiplex lol
I am wondering if this works nicely with the BTT can bus boards.
Maybe a future video idea to talk about Klipper tool head can bus boards...
@CXOB Hace you seen a can bus on the board. Would be a shame, if it hadn't one...
I don't think it has canbus. They have a video how you'd connect a u2c.
I'm planing on kliperize my ender 3 v2 and I want to use double X and Y motors is it recomendable to use the m4p or do the X and Y motors doesnt work like the Z motors and need separate drivers in order to get the maximum out of klipper input shaper? There for I'd be needing the m8p?
I've got a CB1 and the PI4B Adapter, Warning the DSI and CSI ports do not function with the CB1 and will only work with a full CM4 so its not really a Raspberry Pi compatible board.
and the released image is a little broken at the moment but has improved in the last release
Nope, it's more like an Orange Pi. Binaries are not compatible. You will have to complle Klipper and utils on for the board and certain RPI binaries are not usable due to hardware dependencies.
So before I order I wanted to ask how if at all possible would u connect a ebb42 to this board would u need a u2c and if I wanna do a idex voron style would the u2c work with this or could u connect 2x ebb42’s??
I have an old Sindoh 3dwox 2x ( IDEX). would it be possible to rebuild this with a board like this? How can I check this? This printer uses 2 Bowden tubes with for each filament 2 motors, one near the spool and one for the extruder. Would it be very complicated to make it work? I would love to try, but if there are more challenges I can handle, it would not be worth the effort
Not sure if you played with this board.. I recently got it.. wondering if its possible to power down the printer but keep the cb1 on? I'm used to having a Pi on and power cycle the printer via a relay.
Can you use it with regular pi? I have a pi already but recently in my ender 3 something on the board died (hotend temperature sensor always show around -40 degrees Celcius even when I unplug the sensor from the board) so I've been looking for a replacement board.
can you tell what kind of wifi board is being used on the CB1?
Any reason to upgrade the board on my ender 3 s1 with one of these or would I be okay using the factory board and just running the CB1+PI4B?
Would I be mad to fit one of the M4P on my KP3S?
So no can bus? Currently I'm using the octopus max ez, beside it has no cm port it has everything you'll need for a really long time. Even the 5160 driver are plug and play.
Could these Boards be used on a project with 6 motors that isn't related to CNC printing?
Even after looking at the BTT website, I still don't understand when I would use the pi4B adapter with the CM1 and M8p as it looks like it would fit without it? What am I missing?
Looks like this is equivalent to the MKS Skipper. Perhaps the Skipper would be a Manta 6. Anyone have opinions on the Skipper Vs Manta?
if you wanna use the word inside you may have a look on the recore a6 beofre
It's the CM4/CB1 module only useful for Klipper or can it be used to host Octopi if you use Marlin instead?
I cannot see anywhere in the specs if the motor input voltage supports 48v like the Octopus pro, I need to run four 48v super powers ht for my vzbot and ill run external tmc5160, I really like the form factor of this board and would prefer it over the octopus pro, anyone knows?
Can the manta boards work with a tool board like the ebb36/42? Can’t find any information anywhere
dose it work on ender 3 pro
it can run octoprint with a CM4 ... right ?
Will the bord support K Type thermocouples ?
The CB1 is more like a Pi3 than a Pi4, but should be fine for most.
hey you should try to setup a printer to use the cb1, its a mess. and the instructs are super incomplete, they say all this stuff works but the os is like a vm or something, and like half the things are mising. A guide will be like run this command, and that directory will either be empty or the tool will not be there.
Is any of these able to go into a Ender 3 v2?
Does Klipper support IDEX printers?
Honestly, the Pi shortage is almost a blessing in disguese. You can buy second hand Barebone or Industrial computers for less than the PI 4B 8gb at this point. While the Pi's have a place, it's always been love-hate for development. With the chip shortage its hate-hate, so their place is history books as far as i'm concerned. x86 systems are easier to debug, support more compatibility and are basically better in every way except power consumption and size. I'm not going back to these janky devices, i have wasted so much time debugging problems that wouldn't exist on a x86 with full Linux OS.
There is one big issue on the CB1! I have a manta m8p v2 with a cb1 and I purchased BTT pi tft50 screen which connects via the DSI interface, cant get this to work and cant find a fix you need a genuine Pi CM4😖
Im a Lorry driver, Not a tech savi, I brought the Manta M8P CB1 to put in one of my Ender 5 Plus's, and the Adapter and CB1 to use for a camera base and what ever else i can use it for (when i learn how) Ive made major case mods to fit the board to the ender 5+ case, fitted the TFT35 SP1 v2.1 screen. But, as a Lorry driver i dont have a scoobiedoo on all the bits n bobs and Firmware this that and the other i need do now. Im trying the water big time here..... A proper old school wiring diagram would be a bonus but the manual only has terms a truckers head struggles to process. HELP!!!!!
I want to see a 5 axis board for the dual z axis users
Does it only work with Klipper?
Can i use my btt tft70 with Manta m4p and cb1?
I'm also trying to figure this out... Ordered a tft50, went to test fit in in my enclosure with a m8p, and realized it doesn't have a TFT port at all. Waiting on a response from BTT on if it's possible to use this natively
Now how do I upgrade my Ender 5 with one?
Are there 48v support for high voltage steppers???
Yup! Separate power input for high voltage steppers.
@@ModBotArmy even up to 60V drivers, although that can be risky, since you are right at the limit of the capacitors.
Also nice: you can set the driver voltage via jumpers, on a fly super 8 you are locked into 4 high voltage and 4 low voltage drivers
In th bigtreetech Website they mentioned that dsi und csi are Not working with the cb1 is that th truth or i didn't understand??
dsi and csi will never be supported on CB1. You have to use hdmi and usb for display and camera
Good luck with that. The support for the CB1 linux images is terrrible so far. Some people report crashing, loosing wi-fi connection on USB power/24 V power/both. Possible HW problems on CB1/Manta power circuit.
Terrible is a stretch. Wifi is a known issue with H616 SOC support on Debian based distros, but not Debian itself. You would have the same problem with Orange PI based H616 boards.
@@luisderivas6005 Now it's a confirmed HW issue, some CB1's are being replaced. Fortunately, mine are not affected.
So, is this board supposed to replace a printers main board and a raspberry pi by having it all integrated into one board?
I wish BTT would start using their EZ drivers on the new boards.
I believe there is a pro version in the works that will
I want to buy one for my voron 0.1, but no one upload a video if it works greate
Are you serious? Isn't this overkill for a v0.1?
@@JonS not that board hahaha, maybe Just the btt expansión for tiene mp1 or the 4 stepper version
So hmm u could build a Wi-Fi controlled robot with this 😂😂
i ordered one, took like a month to come from CHI-NA but, it looks like a good board. ...issue I have is how difficult it is to figure out how to do the initial flash of firmware, etc. They basically just send you a board and are like welp, there you go. lol 😂 EDIT: I thought I was dumb and couldn't figure it out. ...turns out this board is DOA. Kinda disappointing for my 1st BigtreeTech/Biq product.
The cb1 has major issues with its firmware/software i heard a lot of people talk about the thing not working and the customer support doesn’t help at all.
BTT is replacing faulty units. If you send them a video of the cb1 they will swap you out.
Ah man. This hobby is just too much for me. It totally grips my interest and at the same time I feel totally overwhelmed. I don't know what I want to get because I don't know what I want to do with it in the first place. All I know is I have this need for 3D printing in my life and a Vyper gathering dust because I just can't make it behave while eyeing upgrades for it...
It's a rather demented state of mind to be in...
4 2.0 USB compared to 4 USB 3 on the Pi...
weird how Big Tree Tech can make RPi's but RPi foundation cannot
Kernel 4.9... und genau deswegen ist das kein Ersatz für Raspberry Pi
CB1,problems with wifi,help...
What problems? Mine connected right up. Did you edit the config file on the sd card after flashing the cb1 image?
@@ModBotArmy yes, I edited it but it doesn't connect to the wifi, there are reports of problems, can you make the file available?
4 drivers is useless unless you have cantilever that used just 4 anyway but for dual z the 8 driver version is just too much it needs 5 drive version
4 drivers takes 5 motor just not independently driven. So no tramming but definitely viable for some setups.
@@ModBotArmy yes for cantilever but not independent dual z
@@TommiHonkonen agreed having 5 instead of 4 would have made it more versatile. I wonder if size was a factor.
A switchwire needs only four drivers, isn't it?