There are many examples--and long before Darby was born--of teachings that Jesus will take his bride to the place he’s preparing in his Father’s house before the great tribulation. Watch any video with an historian named Dr. William C Watson to see physical evidence that refutes this recent conspiracy theory about Darby’s “rapture plot”. You may also learn why Dave MacPherson made this all up.
Why is when the rapture / resurrection a hotly contested thing? It was not even debated until 200 years ago. Look into the lives of those who promoted this doctrine, like C.I. Scofield and you might consider this very suspect. Jesus said by their fruit ye shall know them. Jesus tells us plainly in Matthew 13:24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field: 25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed (weeds) tares among the wheat, and went his way. 26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also. 27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares? 28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up? 29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together FIRST first the TARES (WEEDS) tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn. (first the tares WEEDS get gathered, then wheat last) could it be any more plain than this? Matthew 13:36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field. 37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man; 38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; 39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. 40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
And just this year. Discovering Dispensationalism: Tracing the Development of Dispensational Thought From the First to the Twenty-First Century Hardcover - May 29, 2023
Please consider Matt 5:17-18 “Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished"
Dispensationalism is mainly a hermeneutical system which unlike the WCF separates Israel and its attendant promises and prophecies from the church, which the reformers, after Augustine and the prior patristics, either spiritualized or dismissed.
Jesus was not a dispensationalist ... was he? Heard from another lecture on JND what the phrase "rightly divide the word" actually meant. Apparently the New Testament according to JND was that word that needed to be "rightly divided." Rightly divided was a tricky term that basically meant that the synoptic gospels applied exclusively to a physical Israel on earth and not the church of the body of Jesus. Zionism which was invented in the 1900's blended into Darbyism beautifully and nowadays when I here the term "christian" , dispensationalism, JND, and zionism come to my mind long before Jesus does or anything that Jesus taught. The epistles on the other hand applied to the body of Jesus or the church exclusively but did NOT include a physical "future" at that time, state of Israel.
so if Jesus wasn't "dispensationalist" as you call it,where do you put his statement of"the time of Gentiles"?......I know, don't confuse me with the facts....
His family owned the most haunted castle Ireland called Leep Castle. Birds of a feather...anytime Hollywood lines up with preachers look out for the lies and left behind anyone.
My bibles that I hold as preference do not have the word dispensation in them, and they are 70 years BEFORE the kjv was first put out in 1611. I will not preach a doctrine of doubt (dispensation). If you haven't done the math, the bibles I prefer are from the 1530s such as tyndale, coverdale, the Matthew bible, and the great bible. Ephesians 3 : 2 Tyndale* "If ye have heard of the ▪ministration▪of the grace of God which is given me to youward." Colossians 1 : 25 Matthew's bible* "Whereof I am made a minister according to the ordinance of God, which ▪ordinance▪was given me unto youward, to fulfill the word of God." Ephesians 1 : 10 Coverdale* "That it should be ▪preached▪when the time was full come, that all things should be gathered together by Christ, both the things which are in heaven, and also the things that are upon earth" 1 Corinthians 9 : 17 Great Bible* If I do it with a good will I have a reward. But if I do it against my will, an ▪office▪ is committed unto me. *updated spelling.
Dispensation means God has provided a distinct way of salvation in each period of time. The way Enoch was saved is different from Abraham's. And so on. The word "trinity" does not appear in the bible, and we know that idea is clearly settled. We are living now in the dispensation of Grace, the last one, being saved by believing through faith in the finished work of Yeshua HaMashia on the Cross.
2 Corinthians 5:18-21 is the TRUTH that will MAKE you FREE. Relax believe the message. Father YAHweh is in total control of His creation. He always has been He always will be. Research Hallelu-YAHwehShua. :)
Ever wonder how Jews in the tribulation can come to Christ? If they do, they will be grafted onto their own "olive tree" (Rem. 11). That olive tree today only consists of Jews and Gentiles who believe in Jesus. They are spiritual Israel, and are they not therefore the church? Indeed they are. Today the church is the believing branches of the tree, Jew and Gentile. So, how can they get grafted onto the tree in the tribulation, if the church is removed?????
@@F15CEAGLE They will continue to be grafted into the natural olive tree. At one point, however, the time of the Gentiles will be fulfilled and then only Jews will be grafted in. I'm not quite sure where that point is, it may be at the very end. But the church is not removed in any way. There will be a falling away and then a great harvest of the Gentiles during the Tribulation. This is when the church will be perfected. There is a multitude of Gentiles without number that come out of the Great Trib, having their robes washed white in the Blood of the Lamb. Notice that the sun does not beat on them anymore, nor are they thirsty, etc. These conditions were present during the Great Trib. But they have overcome "by the Blood of the Lamb, and the word of their testimony, and the fact that they did not love their lives unto the death." "He who overcomes will be dressed in white..." So this group is a group of overcomers that overcame during the Great Trib. They "came out" of it "washed," and "dressed in white." I'm not sure if they are all martyrs, but they certainly have that attitude.
Replacement theology!!! Soooo the church is replaced by Israel? There's no bible for that!!!! There is only one Olive Tree in Romans,!!!!! And who gets grafted in ?
*God says you will be saved by faith, Abraham was saved by faith. Yet Scofield & kie say regarding saving grace: "...The point of testing is no longer legal obedience as the condition of salvation, but acceptance or rejection of Christ..." [notes next to John 1:17, Scofield 1917] - i.e. God changes... NOT MY GOD!*
The Disfunctionalism of Dispensationalism It’s a Don Quixotish system that rides under the pennant of superior Scriptural interpretation, charges into Revelation, finds a comic book, returns victorious, butchers the Bible, mixes it up with the prophets and the gospels, attempts to dethrone the King, insults his work and character and expects a reward for Services to the Crown. By Gerdus Loubser
From one ditch to another because of the reformers. They didn't go back to the Bible or what Jesus taught. They used their degrees in Augustine's theology to explain away plain scripture to support this idolatry of faith alone.
Who is really teaching “Replacement Theology” ? (Did God fulfill His promises to the Jewish people at Calvary? Matthew 26:28, John 19:30) The advocates of modern Dispensational Theology often accuse others of promoting “Replacement Theology”, or some may even say “Antisemitism”. What does the Bible say about their accusations? 1. Who is replacing Christ as the seed of Abraham through which all the families of the Earth would be blessed in Genesis 12:3, with Abraham’s modern descendants? 2. Who is replacing the one people of God in John 10:16, with two peoples of God ? 3. Who is replacing the one seed (Christ) in Galatians 3:16, with the many seeds? 4. Who is replacing the children of the promise in Romans 9:8, with the children of the flesh? 5. Who is replacing the faithful “remnant” of Israelites in Romans 11:1-5, with the Baal worshipers? 6. Who is replacing the word "so" in Romans 11:26, with the word "then"? 7. Who is attempting to replace the Church made up of all races of people, with one made up only of Gentiles? Why did Peter address the crowd as “all the house of Israel” in Acts 2:36, when about 3,000 Israelites accepted Christ on the Day of Pentecost? 8. Based on Hebrews 9:15, the New Covenant cannot be separated from the Messiah’s death. Is the covenant in Daniel 9:27 connected to the Messiah’s death in Daniel 9:26. Is the covenant with the “many” in Daniel 9:27 the same covenant with the “many” in Matthew 26:28? If it is, some have replaced the New Covenant in Daniel 9:27 with a future covenant made by an antichrist not found in Daniel chapter 9. (See the 1599 Geneva Bible used by the Pilgrims.) 9. Those promoting the Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology often accuse others of teaching “Replacement Theology”, but are they the masters of it? Are they promoting a form of Dual Covenant Theology based on race? (See “genealogies” in Titus 3:9) 10. Watch the TH-cam video “Genesis of Dispensational Theology” to see the origin of this man-made doctrine, which is less than 200 years old. It was brought to the United States about the time of the Civil War by John Nelson Darby. The doctrine was later incorporated into the notes of the Scofield Reference Bible, and then spread through much of the modern Church. Dallas Theological Seminary in Dallas Texas was created in part to promote John Darby’s Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology. Lewis Sperry Chafer, the first president of Dallas Theological, had the following to say about the difference between Israel and the Church:
“The dispensationalist believes that throughout the ages God is pursuing two distinct purposes: one related to the earth with earthly people and earthly objectives involved which is Judaism; while the other is related to heaven with heavenly people and heavenly objectives involved, which is Christianity.” Lewis Sperry Chafer, Dispensationalism (Dallas, Seminary Press, 1936), p. 107. Chafer states that, ‘Israel is an eternal nation, heir to an eternal land, with an eternal kingdom, on which David rules from an eternal throne,’ that is, on earth and distinct from the church who will be in heaven.” Lewis Sperry Chafer. Systematic Theology. 1975. Vol. IV. pp. 315-323. John Walvoord, another prominent voice of Dallas Theological stated… "...it is an article of normative dispensational belief that the boundaries of the land promised to Abraham and his descendants from the Nile to the Euphrates will be literally instituted and that Jesus Christ will return to a literal and theocratic Jewish kingdom centred on a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem. In such a scheme the Church on earth is relegated to the status of a parenthesis.” John F. Walvoord, The Rapture Question.1979, p. 25 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Are there two peoples of God in John 10:16? (See also 1 John 2:22-23, 2 John 1:7-11.) What is the land promise to the Old Testament Saints in Hebrews 11:15-16? Based on 2 Peter 3:10-13, is this earth “eternal”? Will it be replaced by a new earth? Based on Acts 2:36, and Romans 9:6-8, and Romans 11:1-5, and Hebrews 12:22-24, and James 1:1-3, can faithful Israel and the Church be separated into two different groups? Who is the New Covenant promised to in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and Hebrews 8:6-13? Will modern Orthodox Jews ever be saved outside of the New Covenant Church?
The truth that the church is Christ's body is of no threat to the historic Christian and Protestant teaching (over against dispensationalism). See, e.g., th-cam.com/video/ZBhTqEr3A6c/w-d-xo.html
The point is that the Lord Jesus Christ is the seed of Abraham (Gal. 3:16) and that all who believe in Him, whether Jew and Gentiles, are Abraham's seed (v. 29)!
@@CPRCNI That is "seed" singular or in Hebrew זרע which rabbinical scholars insist is really plural in an effort to Paul's thesis and further stating that Paul did not understand Hebrew in a further effort to discredit him and therefore his entire thesis. Then you get to the Quram scrolls and what do we find? We find the plural form זרע which is זרים which is "seeds" in the plural form. Conclusion: Paul was right!
There are many examples--and long before Darby was born--of teachings that Jesus will take his bride to the place he’s preparing in his Father’s house before the great tribulation. Watch any video with an historian named Dr. William C Watson to see physical evidence that refutes this recent conspiracy theory about Darby’s “rapture plot”. You may also learn why Dave MacPherson made this all up.
prove it ...the early church elders talks clear the church will be suffer in the tribulation
Why is when the rapture / resurrection a hotly contested thing? It was not even debated until 200 years ago. Look into the lives of those who promoted this doctrine, like C.I. Scofield and you might consider this very suspect. Jesus said by their fruit ye shall know them.
Jesus tells us plainly in Matthew 13:24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:
25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed (weeds) tares among the wheat, and went his way.
26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.
27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?
28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?
29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together FIRST first the TARES (WEEDS) tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn. (first the tares WEEDS get gathered, then wheat last) could it be any more plain than this?
Matthew 13:36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.
37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;
38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
And just this year. Discovering Dispensationalism: Tracing the Development of Dispensational Thought From the First to the Twenty-First Century Hardcover - May 29, 2023
Dispensationalist to the end. The only way to read scripture and to this day still haven't changed my mind
Please consider Matt 5:17-18 “Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished"
I found Stewart’s overview well done and quite fair given his Reformed perspective.
Dispensationalism is mainly a hermeneutical system which unlike the WCF separates Israel and its attendant promises and prophecies from the church, which the reformers, after Augustine and the prior patristics, either spiritualized or dismissed.
Jesus was not a dispensationalist ... was he?
Heard from another lecture on JND what the phrase "rightly divide the word" actually meant. Apparently the New Testament according to JND was that word that needed to be "rightly divided."
Rightly divided was a tricky term that basically meant that the synoptic gospels applied exclusively to a physical Israel on earth and not the church of the body of Jesus.
Zionism which was invented in the 1900's blended into Darbyism beautifully and nowadays when I here the term "christian" , dispensationalism, JND, and zionism come to my mind long before Jesus does or anything that Jesus taught.
The epistles on the other hand applied to the body of Jesus or the church exclusively but did NOT include a physical "future" at that time, state of Israel.
so if Jesus wasn't "dispensationalist" as you call it,where do you put his statement of"the time of Gentiles"?......I know, don't confuse me with the facts....
John Nelson Darby was also one of the founders of the Plymouth Brethren. The exclusive branch has sectarian characteristics.
Hahahahaha poor brother
sectarian characteristic like Christianity to the Jews?....got you...
THANK YOU..Amen..
Hes been referred to as a heretic
His family owned the most haunted castle Ireland called Leep Castle. Birds of a feather...anytime Hollywood lines up with preachers look out for the lies and left behind anyone.
My bibles that I hold as preference do not have the word dispensation in them, and they are 70 years BEFORE the kjv was first put out in 1611. I will not preach a doctrine of doubt (dispensation). If you haven't done the math, the bibles I prefer are from the 1530s such as tyndale, coverdale, the Matthew bible, and the great bible.
Ephesians 3 : 2 Tyndale*
"If ye have heard of the ▪ministration▪of the grace of God which is given me to youward."
Colossians 1 : 25 Matthew's bible*
"Whereof I am made a minister according to the ordinance of God, which ▪ordinance▪was given me unto youward, to fulfill the word of God."
Ephesians 1 : 10 Coverdale*
"That it should be ▪preached▪when the time was full come, that all things should be gathered together by Christ, both the things which are in heaven, and also the things that are upon earth"
1 Corinthians 9 : 17 Great Bible*
If I do it with a good will I have a reward. But if I do it against my will, an ▪office▪ is committed unto me.
*updated spelling.
dispensation means to dispense or give something. As in Moses gave us the law from the Lord and Jesus GAVE us GRACE. does not mean a period of time
Dispensation means God has provided a distinct way of salvation in each period of time. The way Enoch was saved is different from Abraham's. And so on. The word "trinity" does not appear in the bible, and we know that idea is clearly settled. We are living now in the dispensation of Grace, the last one, being saved by believing through faith in the finished work of Yeshua HaMashia on the Cross.
Salvation has always been through faith in Jesus Christ. OT and NT. Never changed
2 Corinthians 5:18-21 is the TRUTH that will MAKE you FREE. Relax believe the message. Father YAHweh is in total control of His creation. He always has been He always will be. Research Hallelu-YAHwehShua. :)
Ever wonder how Jews in the tribulation can come to Christ? If they do, they will be grafted onto their own "olive tree" (Rem. 11). That olive tree today only consists of Jews and Gentiles who believe in Jesus. They are spiritual Israel, and are they not therefore the church? Indeed they are. Today the church is the believing branches of the tree, Jew and Gentile. So, how can they get grafted onto the tree in the tribulation, if the church is removed?????
delicious bacon.
What about gentiles who come to Christ during the tribulation?
@@F15CEAGLE They will continue to be grafted into the natural olive tree. At one point, however, the time of the Gentiles will be fulfilled and then only Jews will be grafted in. I'm not quite sure where that point is, it may be at the very end. But the church is not removed in any way. There will be a falling away and then a great harvest of the Gentiles during the Tribulation. This is when the church will be perfected. There is a multitude of Gentiles without number that come out of the Great Trib, having their robes washed white in the Blood of the Lamb. Notice that the sun does not beat on them anymore, nor are they thirsty, etc. These conditions were present during the Great Trib. But they have overcome "by the Blood of the Lamb, and the word of their testimony, and the fact that they did not love their lives unto the death." "He who overcomes will be dressed in white..." So this group is a group of overcomers that overcame during the Great Trib. They "came out" of it "washed," and "dressed in white." I'm not sure if they are all martyrs, but they certainly have that attitude.
Replacement theology!!! Soooo the church is replaced by Israel? There's no bible for that!!!! There is only one Olive Tree in Romans,!!!!! And who gets grafted in ?
*God says you will be saved by faith, Abraham was saved by faith. Yet Scofield & kie say regarding saving grace: "...The point of testing is no longer legal obedience as the condition of salvation, but acceptance or rejection of Christ..." [notes next to John 1:17, Scofield 1917] - i.e. God changes... NOT MY GOD!*
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i wonder if these "teachers" have ever read Darby's books he wrote or just regurgitating the usual talking points of mainline denominations........
The speaker used to be a dispensationalist and go to Brethren meetings. He has read JND, and books about him and brethrenism.
Darby's Damnable Dispensational Doctrine
charts make learning better...
The Disfunctionalism of Dispensationalism
It’s a Don Quixotish system that rides under the pennant of superior Scriptural interpretation, charges into Revelation, finds a comic book, returns victorious, butchers the Bible, mixes it up with the prophets and the gospels, attempts to dethrone the King, insults his work and character and expects a reward for Services to the Crown.
By Gerdus Loubser
From one ditch to another because of the reformers.
They didn't go back to the Bible or what Jesus taught. They used their degrees in Augustine's theology to explain away plain scripture to support this idolatry of faith alone.
Beware the "Star of your god Remphan" on the lecturn.
It reminds me of my former dispensational belief
literal Israel.....vs replacement by the Church.....aka spiritual...
Who is really teaching “Replacement Theology” ?
(Did God fulfill His promises to the Jewish people at Calvary? Matthew 26:28, John 19:30)
The advocates of modern Dispensational Theology often accuse others of promoting “Replacement Theology”, or some may even say “Antisemitism”. What does the Bible say about their accusations?
1. Who is replacing Christ as the seed of Abraham through which all the families of the Earth would be blessed in Genesis 12:3, with Abraham’s modern descendants?
2. Who is replacing the one people of God in John 10:16, with two peoples of God ?
3. Who is replacing the one seed (Christ) in Galatians 3:16, with the many seeds?
4. Who is replacing the children of the promise in Romans 9:8, with the children of the flesh?
5. Who is replacing the faithful “remnant” of Israelites in Romans 11:1-5, with the Baal worshipers?
6. Who is replacing the word "so" in Romans 11:26, with the word "then"?
7. Who is attempting to replace the Church made up of all races of people, with one made up only of Gentiles? Why did Peter address the crowd as “all the house of Israel” in Acts 2:36, when about 3,000 Israelites accepted Christ on the Day of Pentecost?
8. Based on Hebrews 9:15, the New Covenant cannot be separated from the Messiah’s death. Is the covenant in Daniel 9:27 connected to the Messiah’s death in Daniel 9:26. Is the covenant with the “many” in Daniel 9:27 the same covenant with the “many” in Matthew 26:28? If it is, some have replaced the New Covenant in Daniel 9:27 with a future covenant made by an antichrist not found in Daniel chapter 9. (See the 1599 Geneva Bible used by the Pilgrims.)
9. Those promoting the Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology often accuse others of teaching “Replacement Theology”, but are they the masters of it? Are they promoting a form of Dual Covenant Theology based on race? (See “genealogies” in Titus 3:9)
10. Watch the TH-cam video “Genesis of Dispensational Theology” to see the origin of this man-made doctrine, which is less than 200 years old. It was brought to the United States about the time of the Civil War by John Nelson Darby. The doctrine was later incorporated into the notes of the Scofield Reference Bible, and then spread through much of the modern Church.
Dallas Theological Seminary in Dallas Texas was created in part to promote John Darby’s Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology.
Lewis Sperry Chafer, the first president of Dallas Theological, had the following to say about the difference between Israel and the Church:
“The dispensationalist believes that throughout the ages God is pursuing two distinct purposes: one related to the earth with earthly people and earthly objectives involved which is Judaism; while the other is related to heaven with heavenly people and heavenly objectives involved, which is Christianity.”
Lewis Sperry Chafer, Dispensationalism (Dallas, Seminary Press, 1936), p. 107.
Chafer states that, ‘Israel is an eternal nation, heir to an eternal land, with an eternal kingdom, on which David rules from an eternal throne,’ that is, on earth and distinct from the church who will be in heaven.”
Lewis Sperry Chafer. Systematic Theology. 1975. Vol. IV. pp. 315-323.
John Walvoord, another prominent voice of Dallas Theological stated…
"...it is an article of normative dispensational belief that the boundaries of the land promised to Abraham and his descendants from the Nile to the Euphrates will be literally instituted and that Jesus Christ will return to a literal and theocratic Jewish kingdom centred on a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem. In such a scheme the Church on earth is relegated to the status of a parenthesis.”
John F. Walvoord, The Rapture Question.1979, p. 25
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Are there two peoples of God in John 10:16? (See also 1 John 2:22-23, 2 John 1:7-11.)
What is the land promise to the Old Testament Saints in Hebrews 11:15-16?
Based on 2 Peter 3:10-13, is this earth “eternal”? Will it be replaced by a new earth?
Based on Acts 2:36, and Romans 9:6-8, and Romans 11:1-5, and Hebrews 12:22-24, and James 1:1-3, can faithful Israel and the Church be separated into two different groups?
Who is the New Covenant promised to in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and Hebrews 8:6-13?
Will modern Orthodox Jews ever be saved outside of the New Covenant Church?
Romans Ch. 11. Maranatha.
Goofy theology
delicious bacon.
The speaker doth protest too much, methinks! Body of Christ threatens you that much?
The truth that the church is Christ's body is of no threat to the historic Christian and Protestant teaching (over against dispensationalism). See, e.g., th-cam.com/video/ZBhTqEr3A6c/w-d-xo.html
Dispensationalism is mince
blah, blah,blah.....what is the point...
The point is that the Lord Jesus Christ is the seed of Abraham (Gal. 3:16) and that all who believe in Him, whether Jew and Gentiles, are Abraham's seed (v. 29)!
@@CPRCNI That is "seed" singular or in Hebrew זרע which rabbinical scholars insist is really plural in an effort to Paul's thesis and further stating that Paul did not understand Hebrew in a further effort to discredit him and therefore his entire thesis. Then you get to the Quram scrolls and what do we find? We find the plural form זרע which is זרים which is "seeds" in the plural form. Conclusion: Paul was right!