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Wasn't a Jesuit Priest, Francisco Ribera(1537--1591) the inventor of the false Pre-tribulation rapture doctrine when he was commanded to create a new eschatological doctrine that would combat the historical Protestant view that the Catholic Church was 1 of the beasts written in the book of Revelation? 2 more Jesuit Priests wrote a book & a commentary to further Ribera's lies. These names followed, Edward Irving, Margaret MacDonald, John Nelson Darby & of course Cyrus Ingerson Scofield who was heavily influenced by Darby & interwoved Futurism into his Reference Bible. By 1930 over 1million copies were in circulation & the Pretrib rapture/Futurism doctrine became part of mainstream American Christianity. I must give credit to Warrior4Jesus for this history.
I agree entirely, Hank. Sadly I was raised on Darby eschatology. Not that they called it that. They taught it as simply the Word of God. I have long since rejected it.
My grandfather was in the Plymouth Brethren back in the 1930’s/40’s. My grandmother rescued him! They told him he wasn’t allowed to marry a woman outside the sect. So he gave up his inheritance and married her anyway 🥰.
I spent many years with the Plymouth Brethren. Because they rejected a professional clergy almost all the preaching was done by laymen. The quality of preaching varied from week to week. Granted that some laymen can preach most of the preaching was of poor quality. Also in many assemblies there was a lack of discipline and authority.
the Darby family owned Leap castle in Ireland which is held to be the most haunted castle in Ireland. Birds of a feather they say. Spurgeon blasted Darby publicly as a heretic. funny when the trib really comes it shall be the christians being slaughtered by those claiming to be "Jews" see revelation 3:9 for the answer.
Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, modern Dispensational Theology falls apart, and the pretrib removal of the Church falls with it. Who is really teaching “Replacement Theology” ? (Did God fulfill His promises to the Jewish people at Calvary? Matthew 26:28, John 19:30) The advocates of modern Dispensational Theology often accuse others of promoting “Replacement Theology”, or some may even say “Antisemitism”. What does the Bible say about their accusations? 1. Who is replacing Christ as the seed of Abraham through which all the families of the Earth would be blessed in Genesis 12:3, with Abraham’s modern descendants? 2. Who is replacing the one people of God in John 10:16, with two peoples of God ? 3. Who is replacing the one seed (Christ) in Galatians 3:16, with the many seeds? 4. Who is replacing the children of the promise in Romans 9:8, with the children of the flesh? 5. Who is replacing the faithful “remnant” of Israelites in Romans 11:1-5, with the Baal worshipers? 6. Who is replacing the word "so" in Romans 11:26, with the word "then"? 7. Who is attempting to replace the Church made up of all races of people, with one made up only of Gentiles? Why did Peter address the crowd as “all the house of Israel” in Acts 2:36, when about 3,000 Israelites accepted Christ on the Day of Pentecost? 8. Based on Hebrews 9:15, the New Covenant cannot be separated from the Messiah’s death. Is the covenant in Daniel 9:27 connected to the Messiah’s death in Daniel 9:26. Is the covenant with the “many” in Daniel 9:27 the same covenant with the “many” in Matthew 26:28? If it is, some have replaced the New Covenant in Daniel 9:27 with a future covenant made by an antichrist not found in Daniel chapter 9. (See the 1599 Geneva Bible used by the Pilgrims.) 9. Those promoting the Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology often accuse others of teaching “Replacement Theology”, but are they the masters of it? Are they promoting a form of Dual Covenant Theology based on race? (See “genealogies” in Titus 3:9) 10. Watch the TH-cam video “Genesis of Dispensational Theology” to see the origin of this man-made doctrine, which is less than 200 years old. It was brought to the United States about the time of the Civil War by John Nelson Darby. The doctrine was later incorporated into the notes of the Scofield Reference Bible, and then spread through much of the modern Church. Dallas Theological Seminary in Dallas Texas was created in part to promote John Darby’s Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology. Lewis Sperry Chafer, the first president of Dallas Theological, had the following to say about the difference between Israel and the Church:
“The dispensationalist believes that throughout the ages God is pursuing two distinct purposes: one related to the earth with earthly people and earthly objectives involved which is Judaism; while the other is related to heaven with heavenly people and heavenly objectives involved, which is Christianity.” Lewis Sperry Chafer, Dispensationalism (Dallas, Seminary Press, 1936), p. 107. Chafer states that, ‘Israel is an eternal nation, heir to an eternal land, with an eternal kingdom, on which David rules from an eternal throne,’ that is, on earth and distinct from the church who will be in heaven.” Lewis Sperry Chafer. Systematic Theology. 1975. Vol. IV. pp. 315-323. John Walvoord, another prominent voice of Dallas Theological stated… "...it is an article of normative dispensational belief that the boundaries of the land promised to Abraham and his descendants from the Nile to the Euphrates will be literally instituted and that Jesus Christ will return to a literal and theocratic Jewish kingdom centred on a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem. In such a scheme the Church on earth is relegated to the status of a parenthesis.” John F. Walvoord, The Rapture Question.1979, p. 25 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Are there two peoples of God in John 10:16? (See also 1 John 2:22-23, 2 John 1:7-11.) What is the land promise to the Old Testament Saints in Hebrews 11:15-16? Based on 2 Peter 3:10-13, is this earth “eternal”? Will it be replaced by a new earth? Based on Acts 2:36, and Romans 9:6-8, and Romans 11:1-5, and Hebrews 12:22-24, and James 1:1-3, can faithful Israel and the Church be separated into two different groups? Who is the New Covenant promised to in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and Hebrews 8:6-13? Will modern Orthodox Jews ever be saved outside of the New Covenant Church?
But to believe the other main way to read the bible Is covenant theology, You have to spiritualize large portions at the old testament. If you are saying that dispensationalism is a pop culture thing, Then you. Are really forced to come up with the third view. The only one I see so far who is trying to do that is john piper. Read what he says about new coven theology.
@@brianschmidt704well said. I went thirty five years not committed either way until I did a careful study of the prophet Isaiah. There is no way to give all the blessings to the church and the curses to the Jews
@@SpotterVideo i read you long defense of replacement theology and as usual you ignore the over one hundred passages that predict the future blessing for Israel. And while you're at it explain how it is that the blessings for Israel are conveniently given to the church and the curses to the Jews.
Thank you Hank for this . I love the term " Christian Zionists marching to Armageddon". I always asked what of Arab Christians. My Dispensationalist pastors and parents had to think about that
Darby didn't invent dispensational theology. Hanegraff states that dispensational theology was popularized by Darby and gives the distinct impression to his radio audience that dispensationalism began in Darby's era. Hanegraff misses the mark. The idea of different periods of God's dealing with Man is an old one and an obvious one (If any of you noticed, we don't live in an idyllic Garden anymore). This concept escapes Hanegraff although it was not lost on people such as Irenaeus (2nd Century), Augustine of Hippo (4-5th century), Joachim Fiore (12th century) who is credited by some with inspiring Dante's Divine Comedy. Fiore had three ages in his scheme (everybody is a dispensationalist including Hanegraff; they just have different numbers of dispensations and castigate anyone having one less or one more). The ancient Jews had their "Seven Thousand Year Plan", "The Ages of the World" found in the Dead Sea Scrolls and the Qumran community. And let us not forget the Jewish "Two Ages" (Present age; the age to come). But wait there's more! The Jewish Jubilee theory that divides history into 49 year sections. And I almost forgot: The Jewish Messianic Era! So when Hanegraff says there is nothing in the Bible about dispensations we will forgive him that the KJV mentions them in 4 places. If Hanegraff can't find the word Rapture (harpadzo in the Greek) in the Bible he denies the Rapture; if Hanegraff can't find dispensations in the new versions he reads (oeconomia in Greek I believe) he denies it. But anybody can see that God has had different ways of dealing with people in different eras (not to say that salvation by grace has changed; wanted to say that before Hanegraff could. :) ). Hanegraff is motivated to disparage anything that would cause people to look for the coming of Christ, the parousia. I don't know why. Perhaps Hanegraff can explain why. But I tell you this: Christ is Coming! Better get ready!
@granthodges3012 However early church fathers like Irenaeus and Augustine along with post-schism Western theologian Joachim Fiore wrote on the different ages in God's economy is besides the point. Not denying say the dispensation of temple, priest, and animal sacrifices coming to an end with Christ and the resurrection. What we never get is the Darby distinction of Israel and the Church, which is the sine qua non of dispensationalism according to Charles Ryrie. The Israel and Church distinction is unsupported biblically. See www.equip.org/articles/does-the-bible-make-a-distinction-between-israel-and-the-church-/ www.equip.org/article/dispensationalism-indispensable/ and www.equip.org/articles/one-shot-one-book-one-god/
@granthodges3012 A Jesuit Priest, Francisco Ribera dreamt up the false Pre-tribulation rapture doctrine. He was commanded to create a new eschatological doctrine that would combat the historical Protestant view that the Catholic Church was 1 of the beasts written in the book of Revelation. 2 more Jesuit Priests wrote a book & a commentary supporting Ribera. Scottish Presbyterian Edward Irving adopted it & 1 of his congregants Margaret MacDonald had a series of false rapture visions. Next came John Nelson Darby. Cyrus Ingerson Scofield who was heavily influenced by Darby interwoved Futurism/Pretrib rapture into his Reference Bible. By 1930 over 1million copies were in circulation & the Pretrib rapture/Futurism doctrine became part of mainstream American Christianity. I must give credit to Warrior4Jesus for this shortened history.
God took Noah, Lot, and the Israelites in Egypt out of the outpouring of His wrath YET, they weren't removed from this earth! Also, 2 Thess. says that the rapture will occur at the moment that the last trump sounds. Look in Revelation at what's happening during the time of the 7th trumpet, and perhaps you might become OPEN to the idea that it MIGHT be a premillinal post-trib rapture!!!! Publicly, I am a pan-tribber. I believe that whatever God chooses to do, it will "pan" out all right! I'm just saying that we can not know FOR SURE which view is correct. After all, didn't Jesus choose to come the 1st time in a way that the Jews didn't expect? And aren't they overall still BLIND to the coming of their Messiah during the 1st century CE?
@@rhondajkestin Um, of course God never told Noah, Lot, etc., that they were not appointed to wrath . . . as God, through Paul, precisely did in the discussion of the Rapture (harpadzo) in I Thessalonians 4:17. Allegorists don't study the Bible closely since THEY can make it mean what they want; this explains why they miss that Paul states the Rapture will occur, discusses the Tribulation and says "we are not appointed unto wrath"., in that order. First off, commentators like the Bible Answer Man are commanded to "comfort one another with these words". When is the last time you heard the anti-Pre-Trib/anti-Semite crowd preach the comfort of the Rapture to their minions/congregants? To fail to preach the Rapture is to step outside the will of God. Not my opinion, Paul the Apostle spoke that. Of course, Hanneman, et. al., may be allegorizing that as well. Second, since when did the Church turn in to a Calvinist-masochist club touting the glories of getting tortured during the Tribulation? The argument made by your side (Well, you guys are just afraid of a little suffering!) is ludicrous. By your lights Paul was a Gospel sissy for being let down over the wall in a basket to escape death (Acts 9). Why didn't Paul accept martyrdom like Stephen?! Do you see how far off the beaten track the anti-Semite/anti-Dispensationalists have wandered? Third, when you abandon grammatical/historical interpretation you find yourself saying silly and often-times heretical stuff. I am a pre-trib rapturist; I am not particularly a dispensationalist. Too much guessing about all those dispensations; same goes for the Reformed. They can't agree on anything either except that they hate the Dispensationists. Time to read the Bible for yourself Remember what you read. Judge all things by it.
@@granthodges3012 I agree. These people act like it’s all just going to be business as usual and they’ll still be going out to get their Starbucks every morning! When in fact Revelation tells us that a quarter of the world’s population will all die of starvation and disease alone in just the first 6 Seal judgements! Not to mention all the Bowl and Trumpet judgements! It’s going to be death on a scale the world has never seen! But they’ve got their “Prepper Pancakes” ready and THEY are going to make it through! When in fact these are called “judgements” because it’s made clear in Ch 6 that even those first 6 Seals are all the “wrath” of God on a Christ denying world. Nothing to be worried about though. Be of good cheer we’re all going to die horrific deaths if we’re still here. Now go comfort one another with those words. 🤮
@RobertEdmunds-pz6ir Opinion appreciated. Not seeing the distinction between Israel and the Church. See www.equip.org/bible_answers/does-the-bible-make-a-distinction-between-israel-and-the-church-cbab/ www.equip.org/article/left-behind-from-root-to-ripened-fruit/ and www.equip.org/article/dispensationalism-indispensable/
People preached pre tribulation rapture and used dispensation before Darby. If you do not rightly divide the Bible like we’re taught to in 2 Timothy 2:15, then there are contradictions. We’re taught our salvation is faith without works and that through grace our faith in Jesus saves us. But James says faith without works is dead. So many contradictions if you do not use dispensation. The Bible’s pretty clear if you read it how it’s written. And realize not every scripture applies to you. Could not be saved by grace through faith before Jesus so you think those people didn’t have a different salvation? Cmon man it just makes sense word for word when you use dispensationalism.
@relaxingrealityescape5336 how does dispensationalism resolve the faith and works debate? Does not forms of dispensationalism, say ultradispensationalism, even dissect the NT in such a way that the dispensationalist will even rationalize a way to say the Sermon on the Mount is inapplicable for the Church but only for Israel? How is that a solution? Is it not a rationalization and compromise?
Christ's death and resurrection is sufficient for my salvation. I don't need to prove to Him that I need to be worthy by going through the tribulation. I simply follow the Word and let the post-tribulationists wring their hankies and clutch their pearls waiting for God to send them through a test as a guarantee of their holiness
I don't care if Darby taught it...or even if King Kong taught it. It has ALWAYS BEEN IN THE BIBLE! Can't you read? 1 Corinthians 15:51-58, 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17, II Thessalonians 2:1-8, and John 14:1. If you read it as it is written, you can't miss it; unless you are blind.
That’s a misreading of the text. Under your rendering of the interpretation, God is ordaining that ancient Israeli sacrifices must be reinstated at a rebuilt temple that was torn down in AD70. Jesus foretold of the temples demise. The church is the fulfillment of all of God’s promises to Abraham. Christ is the fulfillment of Israel, the Head of the Body of Christ. All who are saved into Christ are “Israel.” I suggest you do a deep dive into what those scriptures really mean, rather than hanging on to presuppositions being applied to scripture.
I still believe that "some glad morning we shall see Jesus in the air coming after you and me, joy is ours to share....now I see nothing wrong with that....
Wrong. Just like the singular word god is a misinterpretation of the word Elohim. There is no singular entity or god. You’re worshiping Enlil who is in fact sa-tan or administrator. The fucked up a lot. Truth is coming out.
I disagree with reference to Darby as putting a ‘spin ‘ on scripture. It is not a new concept the rapture or the catching up of the saints . The Apostle Paul clearly had by the Spirit from Christ in glory the ‘ rapture ‘ when he wrote the Epistle to the Thessalonians. In chapter 4 of the first epistle to the Thessalonians, he sets out very clearly the rapture of the saints - both old and new testament saints ( the first resurrection) . I agree completely with the accurate study of scripture but this must be with the help of the Holy Spirit who is the author of Scripture.
@gordonsinclair5692 Very little reason to suppose 1 Thessalonians 4 gives a pretribulation rapture, i.e., the idea that God is going to remove the Church from the Earth before the start of a future seven-year Great Tribulation that ends with Jesus' Second Coming and the start of the Millennium.
Hello everyone, I am working on a 2.5 year masters theses on patristics and eschatology at Truett McConnell University. Darby did not invent the pre-trib rapture, Thomas Tweedy did. Darby was also not dispensationalist. He believed in three basic periods: the time of the Jews, the time of the church, and the millennial reign. He did not pivot his theology on these periods. I have only talked to one Darby expert, James Fazio the Dean of Southern California Seminary. We spoke for about 40 minutes. He confirmed that Darby myths continually circulate. I plan on reading all of Darby’s works for my PhD. The burden of proof is on those making claims about Darby to provide the quotes from his writings. You will undoubtedly not find just about anything you have heard about JN Darby in his writings. Before you say something about someone from history, confirm it in their writings. Thanks and God bless, Hal
@halbachman7878 That Darby played no role is contributing to dispensationalism is far fetched to the point of fallacious. Stretches credulity beyond the breaking point. See Hank's Apocalypse Code | www.equip.org/product/the-apocalypse-code-paperback/
Sir, please re-read what I stated. You have said that I claimed something that I did not. Of course Darby affected Dispensationalism. I would ask you to address who “invented” the pre-trib rapture as well as quote John Nelson Darby as dividing history into seven divine economies. You will not find these because they do not exist. Please prove me wrong. Have a nice day, Hal B.
My grandparents (both sides) are hqrdcore dispensationalists (although idk if all of them would understand it by that name), and one set of them were definitely Christian-Zionists who used to tour Israel every few years. I love them, but I've grown to disagree with their interpretation in many related areas (although I think they're orthodox on the most important doctrines), but it's really, really hard to talk to them about the serious flaws in this ideology when it's basically all they've known and seem to have little to no extensive exposure to Christian thought outside of evangelical America unless it's first been read through that dispensational lense, certainly when it comes to eschatology anyway.
I've long felt there were huge problems with dispensationalist and have apretty good understanding of why it's wrong and reject it accordingly, but I still have absolutely no idea how to practically think outside of that philosophy's eschatological framework, and it's simething I'm really wanting to figure out, esoecially as we see all of these people talking about what's happening in Israel today.
We have published many different critiques on discpensationalism. See www.equip.org/articles/apocalypse-when/ www.equip.org/article/left-behind-from-root-to-ri www.equip.org/article/a-biblical-response-to-christian-zionism/pened-fruit/ www.equip.org/article/dispensationalism-indispensable/ www.equip.org/articles/the-perils-of-newspaper-eschatology/ www.equip.org/articles/obligation-blessing-abrahams-seed/ and www.equip.org/articles/modern-israel-in-bible-prophecy-promised-return-or-impending-exile/
I do not agree with Darby, or a pretrib rapture, because, Jesus said immediately after the tribulation of those days, we will see the sign of the Son of man coming in the clouds... That hasn't happened yet... It did not happen under the rule of Rome, because no one saw that... Darby was wrong, but so are Preterists... Just because I do not agree with Hank does not mean I agree with Jerry Jenkins and Tim Lahey... Can't both be wrong? Absolutely...
Jacob’s trouble is clearly found as early as Jeremiah. Aren’t you slandering Darby? There is a lot more there than just the Tribulation. The Rapture is in 1 Thes 4, and the AntiChrist is in 2 Thes 2. You cannot simply dispense with Rev 11 by simple slanders
Acts 11:18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.
Hank, thank you for your passion to read the Bible objectively. I appreciate that message. I might ask that you re-evaluate your merchandising those you are supposed to be ministering to. It is a distinct mark of a false teacher (2 Peter 2:3 see the Greek for the actual verb of merchandising, which has been concealed as the watered down "exploit") and we are not to imitate evil (3 John 1:11). Please reconsider your marketing of your books on these videos.
@@TheGreatSkull123 And you get that from being slow to speak and quick to listen and slow to enter into an agitating judgment of men that never achieves the righteous judgment of God. Interesting how you can disobey the Scriptures while passing judgment on doctrine. Go back to your apostate teachers. Who told you to speak as if someone having something to say about light.
If anyone is not convinced that the church will not go through the great tribulation, look for the church in Revelation. The church is mentioned from chapter 1 to chapter 3. From there the church is not mentioned during the judgments that are coming to the earth. We see the church in chapter 19 already prepared, coming to reign with Christ. You can read 19:1-7. Unfortunately, Christianity is turning its back on these truths that we have in the scriptures, we are in times of apostasy “For the time will come when they will not harden sound doctrine; but after their own lusts they shall heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; and they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.” 2 Timothy 4:3-4 KJV
@rwe1 yes, it is true there will be believers as there were in the Old Testament but they are not part of the Church, who are those believers? Look at Revelation 7, you will see that they are from the 12 tribes of Israel. Furthermore, the 70 weeks of Daniel are for the people of Daniel, that is, Israel, not for the church. Daniel 9:24 KJV, do not forget, the church is made up of Jews and Gentiles and it is one body, Israel the earthly people of God, will go through the great tribulation but the church, the heavenly people, will be taken first. 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
Christian Zionism is clearly incompatible with the commandments. I was turned off by their hypocrisy for most of my life until I found salvation directly from Jesus. Matthew 24 37 And he said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. 38 This is the great and first commandment. 39 And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. 40 On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets.”
The phrase is not a teaching. It is a marketing blurb, just like the Reductionist gospel is. It was coined in the apostate churches, which he used to belong to and of which he has not purged himself even now. There are no nonessential doctrines. That is a lie to get those of light to join with those walking in darkness who refuse to stop sinning.
Let's also remember what Jesus said to the Pharisees and that is they strained at a gnat and swallowed a camel. Basically they majored in the minors so let's lump those who make a big deal out of small things and divide over them in with the other modern day Pharisees who don't understand grace.
@KelzBernard 🙂 God bless me with a great and anointed Bible teacher that has studied the Bible for about 50 or so years and one thing that he keeps pointing out is that what Jesus dealt with is what the true body of Christ still deals with to this day. Solomon was right in Ecclesiastes 1:9 when he says there is nothing new under the sun and so that means that there are many more Pharisees today that act the same way as they did to Jesus and his disciples so we should expect it today. We shouldn't be surprised when you get folks who are upset with you because you don't believe all their non essential doctrines because the same demonic spirits that lived in the Pharisees live in them. Yes I said it Christians or so called Christians who profess they know Jesus and follow him can have demonic spirits that influence their word and actions. Fighting with a brother or sister in Christ who doesn't agree with your minor beliefs is of the devil so the next time you get one of them arguing with you don't neglect the fact that they could very well be under the influence of satan's little helpers. God bless you brother and keep you in these dark times in Jesus name!
Is this about the pre trib rapture? I never thought I would have try and teach Hank something, but he is wrong on this one😊 Where was Ruth during Boaz's threshing? Yeah thats right, but this is just one of the old testaments pre trib lessons😊
Yes, The pre tribulation rapture is part of it. Dispensationalism is a whole system that read the scripture literally. What he does not point out is that to solve the problems and and arrive at covenant theology, You need to spiritualize the text and show that israel became the church. Therefore, Israel's promises became the churches promises. If you really study the old testament carefully you will find that this is impossible. This is one of the reasons why covenant theology churches spend all their time in the new testament and occasionally in the psalms.
But some of the most faithful teachers have the scriptrue believe in this dispensational theology. It is not merely a few isolated.Isolated people like James Darby. Actually, Dispensationalism is reading the scripture as it says, rather than spiritualizing the text to take care of the difficult passages that show that the church and Israel are different. I do not completely agree with them but they do have a very strong point and should not be dismissed.
The first few minutes had several errors. First, the Plymouth Brethren began in Dublin, Ireland, not Plymouth, England. Second it began in 1825, not 1831.
@MaxMBJ Darby offers not a single verse to support the so-called pretribulation rapture. This is why Darby is making a theological imposition upon the Bible. Your assertion about Dublin contradicts Plymouth Brethern history… www.plymouthbrethrenchristianchurch.org/who-we-are/history/
Are the dispensationist going to change in 8 year's. Since 8 year's from now be 200 year's of dispensationalism, are they going to have to change their viewpoint?
Please recommend a book that thoroughly takes down this belief system. Going all the way back to Edward Irving, Margaret MacDonald and the Jesuit priest who fed them this idea.
A good place to start is with Hank's book: The Apocalypse Code: Find Out What the Bible Really Says About the End Times and Why it Matters Today > www.equip.org/product/the-apocalypse-code-paperback/
431AD the council of Ephesus the catholic church outlawed pretribulation rapture doctrine and from 431AD to 1500AD persecuted and burned many at the stake for teaching pretribulation rapture doctrine. Ignatius 108AD (a student of John the apostle) taught pretribulation rapture doctrine, because its the truth.
I can agree with at least one thing that Dispensationalists say and that is the tribulation is known as Jacob's trouble and well we must ask who is Israel today in New Testament times? I think if we first start in Romans 2 we can see that a Jew isn’t one outwardly but inwardly and that means a circumcised heart. So if that means God doesn’t see an outward person who is Jewish as a Jew today then Christians and Jews alike who have been circumcised in the heart are New Testament Jews according to scripture. So we the church who are Israel spiritually speaking will go through the tribulation and be raptured out after the seven years. Satan sure is good at deceiving those who love not the truth that they might be deceived.
@JDobrozsi1 but that doesn't really make much sense when you add Daniel into the equation. The week of years to finish iniquity, the time of Jacob's trouble (as you mentioned above). What do you make of Romans 9-11?
@JDobrozsi1 do you see a distinction between Israel (as a people group) and the church (spiritual Israel if you want to call it that). I'm trying to gain a foothold on how you view Israel and the church, do you consider yourself reformed?
@jtbtdlkt2012 sorry for late response I do not consider myself reformed but I have been listening to a great Bible teacher for several years now and I understand it as you mentioned. "Natural Israel" as many know them are the Jews of the OT and the ones that are scattered worldwide today. We the church and born again Jews are the Israel today of the New Testament covenant. We spiritually are Israel that are the true seed of Abraham because the natural Jews who rejected Jesus rejected the benefits that Abraham was granted by God.
Wrong wrong and i say it again wrong. This has got nothing to do with with what Darby said. This is taught all through scripture. Their will be a catching away before the tribulation and the tribulation will be 7 years long. When we put scriptures in their proper context it explains it out 100 percent accurate. Read the word peoole read the word. 1st Thessalonians 4:16-18 put verse 18 in your head. Now go to Revelation and read chapter 6 to chapter 18. Please tell me what is so comforting about having to go through just as some people teach half of that or worse yet the whole thing. If anyone thinks they can go through all that then be my guest. Love yas God Bless
@davebailey7053 Disagree. There is not a single verse telling us there is a pretribulation rapture, i.e., the idea that God is going to remove the Church from the Earth before the start of a future seven-year Great Tribulation that ends with Jesus' Second Coming and the start of the Millennium. 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18 included.
Matthew 13:37-41 KJV [37] He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man; [38] the field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; [39] the enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. [40] As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. [41] The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
Do you all believe in the Rapture of the Church? So, if Jesus comes as a thief in the night, will you all be sleeping? If Jesus already came, what about the Battle of Armageddon, the blood that will come up to a horses reins? The Anti Christ didn't sit in the temple 2000 years ago, isn't that in the near future after the 3rd Temple is built? I am curious, because I plan on Seeing Jesus soon , up in the clouds. This stuff is confusing. I
Hank addresses the problems with the pretribulation rapture doctrine in the following articles…. www.equip.org/article/left-behind-from-root-to-ripened-fruit/ www.equip.org/articles/apocalypse-when/ www.equip.org/article/daniel-prophesy-seven-year-great-tribulation/
Brother, you don't have to allow any stupidity of man like the one taught on this website to take away the truth from you. Only study the truth more to know the foolishness of this modern day preachers whenever you come across them and don't bother yourself to reply them however hurt you felt in you. Darby is a man sent to the Church by God. I will stop now. Happy soon coming of our Lord.
But there was a very strong theological line that believed in Israel's national conversion to the Christian faith after completing the number of Gentiles converted to Christianity, where it was believed, or still believed, that the veil will be removed from the entire nation of Israel. This doctrine influenced in 1650 the coming of Jews again to England through Oliver Cromwel. Many theologians in the Church of England believed this. Is this theology still valid or has it been discarded?
@70ADCommentary Matthew Poole (England Church) Romanos 11:25 Here he shows there is not only a possibility and probability, but a certainty of the Jews’ conversion and calling. This he calleth a mystery, or a secret; though it was revealed in the Scripture, (as you will hear), yet it was not understood; nay, the manner, the number, and the time of their conversion, is still concealed and hid from us. The calling of the Gentiles was a mystery, and a great secret; see Eph 3:3; and so is the calling and restoration of the Jews. There are three particulars of this mystery, which he makes known to the Gentiles (and he doth it the rather, lest they should swell with a high conceit of themselves, and proudly despise the Jews): two of them are in this verse; and the first is, that blindness is happened to Israel in part only; i.e. they were not all blinded or hardened; or this blindness should not last always, but for a time. The latter sense agrees best with the word mystery; for it was no secret that some of the Jews believed; this was told them before, Rom 11:2,5,7 (refs3). Secondly, another part of this mystery was, that this blindness of the Jews should continue till the fulness of the Gentiles came in. By fulness here, (as in Rom 11:12), understand a great number or multitude of the Gentiles; greater, by far, than was in the apostles’ days. There is another exposition of this clause, which I submit to consideration: by the Gentiles, here, you may understand the Romans, or the Roman monarchy and power; {see Act 4:27; 21:11 (refs2)} and by the coming in of their fulness may be understood, the full time of their reign and continuance; after which their ruin follows. And so here is foretold the time of the calling of the Jews, which will be soon after the destruction of antichrist and the Roman monarchy. Query: Whether this doth not agree with the prediction of our Saviour? Luk 21:24.
@@duduspol6082 So in the future after the rapture, jews will be saved because of their so-called ethinicty? Or will they be saved because they live in Palestine? My sister is 3 percent Ashkenazi (apparently Jewish DNA), will she be saved after the rapture?
@@aeiou9957 after rapture not excist conversion. The old doctrine teach wich after complete gentios time all jews wil cristian convert and then second come. This is the interpretation this many old teologicals. without secret rapture intermediate.
GALATIANS 4 22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons , the one by a bond maid the other by a freewoman. 23 But he who was of the bond woman was born after the flesh: but he of the freewoman was by promise.
One way of understanding Bible prophecies is to assume that the rule of Jesus on Earth began at his ascension, at the Pentecost thereafter or in 70 A.D. In the late eighteenth and early nineteenth centuries, many people in North America were influenced by Jonathan Edwards who lived from 1703 to 1758. As I understand his theology, he didn’t expressly refute the doctrine that the rule of Jesus had already begun but he anticipated a thousand years of peace and increasing prosperity during which time the whole world would be converted and after which thousand years Jesus would fulfill his promise (as recorded in John 14 verses 2 & 3): In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.” Edwards seems to have considered this to be the same event as mentioned in I Thessalonians 4:13-18. In the twentieth century (especially after WWII) many people in the United States were influenced by the theology of John Darby who lived from 1800 to 1882. Darby interpreted the words “caught up” in I Thessalonians 4 as a reference to an event when the redeemed will be caught up to heaven but Darby seems to have interpreted John 14:2 & 3 as meaning the opposite of what Jesus said. Instead of understanding the words of Jesus as a reference to the redeemed as being caught up to be with him where he has gone to prepare a place for us, Darby interpreted those verses to mean that Jesus will come again to be with us where we are. That allowed Darby to interpret Revelation 20 verse 4 to mean something that isn’t actually in the text. Remember, I’m MISQUOTING it here to see whether you can recognize what ISN’T in the text. And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years upon the earth. (If you didn’t notice how I misquiated the text, please find it in your Bible and compare it.) Could it be that Jonathan Edwards was right that John 14:2 & 3 and I Thessalonians 4:13-18 are references to the same event (but that the eternal home of the redeemed is this planet) AND that John Darby was right to emphasize that the redeemed will reign with Jesus on Earth (but mistaken about WHEN that will be)? I’d prefer that each Christian look up the following texts for themselves but I’ve written them out and will post them if anyone requests it. What if, instead of following Edwards’ or Darby’s interpretations exactly, we contemplate the possibility that the prophecies will be fulfilled in the following order: John 14:2 & 3; I Corinthians 15:52-53; I Thessalonians 4:13-18 and Revelation 6:14-17 as all one event. Galatians 4: 26 & Hebrews 11:10 as references to where the redeemed will be after being caught up. Daniel 7:22; I Corinthians 6:2 & 3 and Revelation 20 verse 4 as to what we will do after we are caught up. Revelation 21:2 and 21:10. Does the new Jerusalem descend to Earth at the close of the thousand years? And is there any reason to think the redeemed - the bride of Jesus - won’t be in the city as it descends? Revelation 20:7-9 Is this in preparation to attack the new Jerusalem? If so, will the glory of Jesus be revealed in such a way as to elicit a “confession” that he is a righteous judge (Philippians 2:10 & 11) but only the kind of confession that Judas made? (See Matthew 27:3-5.) Ezekiel 28:13-19 and Revelation 20:9 Is this what happens next? Isaiah 65:17; Malachi 4:3; Revelation 21:3; Revelation 22:2 After the smoke clears, is this the condition of the earth? And if the universe is henceforth to be ruled from this planet, is that the sense in which it will be the “new heaven”?
Good commentary. Sadly so many church goers do not have much background on just how much this man influenced the modern churches. He sounds very anti Semite. It will be interesting to dig into what motivated this personage. Pretty sure its about money. His ancestral castle called Leap Castle quite interesting if you like a hair raising .
I cant find a basic christian church wher i live in spokane Washington area that doesn't teach this bad theory. Can anyone tell me of a church in north eastern Washington that i can attend that isnt teaching rapture b.s.?
@johnstack4316 The pretribulation rapture is practically the most widespread popular official unofficial doctrine embraced among evangelical Christians worldwide (So, the pretribulation is not necessarily explicitly affirmed in an official statement of faith but held with fierce dogmatism by members therein from pastor to parishioner.) But there are churches that the pretribulation rapture has less influence, openly condemned , even prohibited from being taught, as in the cases of Presbyterian, Reformed, Lutheran, Wesleyan/Methodist traditions among Protestants. The same criticism and condemnation of the pretribulation rapture is found in Eastern Orthodoxy.
Jesus taught from the Bible using a literal hermeneutic, and he taught about the literal fulfillment of the coming kingdom of God, which he will accomplish on earth via David’s throne in Jerusalem. But Paul said in Romans 11:25-26 that Israel is hardened until the fullness of the Gentiles comes in, and in this way all Israel shall be saved, and that is fulfilled in Revelation 7 where angels restrain the great tribulation a little longer during that Israelite revival while raptured church saints celebrate their entry into heaven, their fullness having just come in. But the Catholic church buried those things by enforcing a new allegorical hermeneutic, and they claimed the church is Israel and the kingdom is now. It was not until religious liberty flourished in 1600s Protestant England that the original biblical doctrines began to be recovered. Darby merely systematized what churchmen had been writing about before his day. But in 1861, Robert Norton invented a conspiracy theory that Darby got his pre-trib doctrine from the spiritist Margaret Mac Donald, and he published her teachings which seemed to suggest a two-stage return of Jesus. But Norton made the whole thing up by editing her teaching after her death, removing the parts that clearly show how she taught the church goes thru the great tribulation to face the Antichrist, and Norton had published that original version in 1840. In addition to the fact that Darby could not have gotten his pre-trib Rapture from her post-trib teachings, Darby’s doctrine was formed several years before hers, and he'd rejected her teachings. The reason why many people believe such false conspiracy theories today is because Dave MacPherson embellished and marketed Norton's false claims starting in the 1970s. “Dispensationalism Before Darby” by William Watson proves using 350+ sources before Darby that he didn’t invent new ideas but systematized what others had been writing about for a long time.
@@J.F.331, I cannot post links, so I suggest that you google _William Watson Dispensationalism Darby_ and then watch his lecture on Vimeo, or you can stop in about the first 20 seconds where he lists two dozen names/dates that you’re looking for.
One of the earliest sermons was written by Pseudo-Ephraem around 350AD. He stated that the church would be removed during the time of Gods wrath. There are some online articles with more information.
@@togo890707 Did he not say "For all the saints and elect of God are gathered, prior to the tribulation that is to come, and are taken to the Lord lest they see the confusion that is to overwhelm the world because of our sins. "
@@biblehistoryscience3530 this is what I found: All the saints and elect of God are gathered together before the tribulation, which is to come, and are taken to the Lord, in order that they may not see at any time the confusion which overwhelms the world because of our sins.
Darby & Darwin don't deserve to be compared at the same unholy & ungodly level. I was raised dispensationalist and know many who are, and they certainly love Jesus and hold to an honest hermeneutical approach to Scripture. I have ammilenial and postmillenial friends too and they treat the Bible with integrity and live their life for Christ & His Kingdom. Yes, somebody is wrong and somebody is right. However, this video degrades the integrity of all dispensationalists as if they are in an evolutionary cult. That is not right and not an accurate assessment. "The testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy" - Rev. 19. "Come Lord Jesus come." Any eschatology that gets you focused on Jesus is safe. That's not what this video portrayed. As Christ said, "anyone who is not against us is for us." Mark 9:38-42. This video is not a call to any kind of good unity, but division.
Well said. You can see from my own channel where I stand, and appreciate what you say, that "any eschatology that gets you focused on Jesus is safe". I'm waiting for the Lord to come, at any moment, to take us all to be with Himself, and for no other event. If I were more single-minded and less easily distracted by earthly things and worldly concerns, then that hope would have a greater purifying effect on me - the more I grow in my expectation and anticipation of the coming of the Lord, the more I'll grow in Him and the better I'll serve Him in this waiting time.
I thought maybe this would clarify and refute, but instead it goes into somewhat hysterical emotional appeals. Also, Hank, do you kiss and venerate icons, as well as Mary? Seriously.
@patrickbree2078 No emotional appeals, but arguments based on biblical truths and errors communicated by John Nelson Darby. Why bring up the veneration of icons and saints like Mary the Mother of Jesus? Those issues neither disproves Hank nor proves Darby. See www.equip.org/article/john-of-damascus-and-his-defense-of-icons/ and th-cam.com/video/10iR-XvpDAg/w-d-xo.html
@BibleAnswerMan In this video, there is not a clear refutation from scriture that exames and refutes. However, looks like there are others videos that Hank has done where he goes into greater detail. The reason that I bring up kissing icons and Mary "veneration", is because these things help me to know if someone is really looking at the truth from the scriptures, or is depending more on tradition, logical arguments, and what they believe to be true because for reasons other than the clear Word of God.
The gospel is the gospel of the kingdom! Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah died for his people! God resurrected the Messiah! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21 Matt 24 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come. Jesus said the Father is the only true God! John 17 3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.
Dispensationalism is the result of finally having access to the scripture. reading the scriptures literally without the tyranny of the catholic church. Trying to make the dispensationalist out to be antisemitical is hilarious. They are the first cristians since the primitive church that recognized the future blessing of national israel. Darby isn't the one who foretold the horors of Armageddon it was Zachariah.
@@BibleAnswerMan put the dots together. Israel is prophecied to be the head of nations after returning to their land. Their return would result in fruit growing where it previously didn't. The neighbors would be jealous and sage war based on religion. If these prophecies and many more are true then God is fulfilling his word in national Israel.
So Hank warns us not to pull a Darwin and use subjective inspiration into the Word. Got it. Too bad he didn’t detail a single example of Darby doing that.
Your strawman attack on Darby is pathetic. There is no surprise return of the master without pretrib rapture. Noah and Lot were taken before the wrath fell from the sky. You ignore the Bible to support your human masters like this preacher. Study the Bible and no one else.
@@BibleAnswerMan In my view, you didn't actually represent J.N. Darby at all - you didn't examine any of his ministry, never mind his ministry on the subject. You might take one look at my channel and write me off as a Darbyite partisan, but I do take the time to consider a lot of different views, and I have respectful and edifying conversations with a lot of believers with whom I disagree on certain points. My personal rule is that if I'm going to criticise a person's works, then I take the time to examine those works, in context. Also, on a related note, the Plymouth Brethren Christian Church (so-called) does not represent J.N. Darby either - in many ways that organisation is anthethical to the spirit and letter of what Darby taught. If he were alive today, he would have nothing to do with it.
I love your straw man argument. You use complicated words like exegesis and isogesis to confuse your viewer but how about scriptures to support your claim? I didn't hear one verse during the whole video. Also as a premillennialist I believe it not the Jews only but the whole world who rejected Jesus going through the great tribulation. Thanks for showing your bias.
Maku: The Bible only ever speaks of 2 ages. The present age, and the age to come. The present age we live in now is temperal the age to come is eternal. When Christ returns it is the end of the temperal age, (human history as we know it, )and the beginning of the eternal age. 2 Peter 3: 10,. John 5: 28-29. Dan 12: 2. Darby wasn't the sharpest knife in the draw. He originally got his strange ideas by studying 500 page explanation of Daniel and Revelation that was compiled by the Jesuit priest Francisco Ribera in the 1500s. But the verses I have quoted leave no room for the strange Eschatology of Ribera/ Darby. I didn't get around to quoting all the different verses that clearly state that there are only 2 ages. 😊
@@alongcamejones309 If you interpret 2 Peter 3:10, John 5:28-29 and Daniel 12:2 in the way you're doing, then you're going to run into difficulties with a whole lot of other scriptures - Revelation 20:4-6 to name just one. I'm quite willing to accept the idea that there are only two ages - that there is time, and then there is eternity. There is, however, a great deal more still to happen before we reach the eternal day - so much prophecy remains, as yet, unfufilled.
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Wasn't a Jesuit Priest, Francisco Ribera(1537--1591) the inventor of the false Pre-tribulation rapture doctrine when he was commanded to create a new eschatological doctrine that would combat the historical Protestant view that the Catholic Church was 1 of the beasts written in the book of Revelation? 2 more Jesuit Priests wrote a book & a commentary to further Ribera's lies. These names followed, Edward Irving, Margaret MacDonald, John Nelson Darby & of course Cyrus Ingerson Scofield who was heavily influenced by Darby & interwoved Futurism into his Reference Bible. By 1930 over 1million copies were in circulation & the Pretrib rapture/Futurism doctrine became part of mainstream American Christianity. I must give credit to Warrior4Jesus for this history.
Francisco Ribera, Jesuit Priest (1537--1591) was commanded to invent something to confuse Protestants = pretrib rapture.
I agree entirely, Hank. Sadly I was raised on Darby eschatology. Not that they called it that. They taught it as simply the Word of God. I have long since rejected it.
My grandfather was in the Plymouth Brethren back in the 1930’s/40’s. My grandmother rescued him! They told him he wasn’t allowed to marry a woman outside the sect. So he gave up his inheritance and married her anyway 🥰.
I spent many years with the Plymouth Brethren. Because they rejected a professional clergy almost all the preaching was done by laymen. The quality of preaching varied from week to week. Granted that some laymen can preach most of the preaching was of poor quality. Also in many assemblies there was a lack of discipline and authority.
This important segment is a must view for all. ✔️
Well articulated, Hank.
C.I. Scofield with his Scofield Reference Bible mainstreamed Darby's pre tribulation rapture scenario.
the Darby family owned Leap castle in Ireland which is held to be the most haunted castle in Ireland. Birds of a feather they say. Spurgeon blasted Darby publicly as a heretic. funny when the trib really comes it shall be the christians being slaughtered by those claiming to be "Jews" see revelation 3:9 for the answer.
Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, modern Dispensational Theology falls apart, and the pretrib removal of the Church falls with it.
Who is really teaching “Replacement Theology” ?
(Did God fulfill His promises to the Jewish people at Calvary? Matthew 26:28, John 19:30)
The advocates of modern Dispensational Theology often accuse others of promoting “Replacement Theology”, or some may even say “Antisemitism”. What does the Bible say about their accusations?
1. Who is replacing Christ as the seed of Abraham through which all the families of the Earth would be blessed in Genesis 12:3, with Abraham’s modern descendants?
2. Who is replacing the one people of God in John 10:16, with two peoples of God ?
3. Who is replacing the one seed (Christ) in Galatians 3:16, with the many seeds?
4. Who is replacing the children of the promise in Romans 9:8, with the children of the flesh?
5. Who is replacing the faithful “remnant” of Israelites in Romans 11:1-5, with the Baal worshipers?
6. Who is replacing the word "so" in Romans 11:26, with the word "then"?
7. Who is attempting to replace the Church made up of all races of people, with one made up only of Gentiles? Why did Peter address the crowd as “all the house of Israel” in Acts 2:36, when about 3,000 Israelites accepted Christ on the Day of Pentecost?
8. Based on Hebrews 9:15, the New Covenant cannot be separated from the Messiah’s death. Is the covenant in Daniel 9:27 connected to the Messiah’s death in Daniel 9:26. Is the covenant with the “many” in Daniel 9:27 the same covenant with the “many” in Matthew 26:28? If it is, some have replaced the New Covenant in Daniel 9:27 with a future covenant made by an antichrist not found in Daniel chapter 9. (See the 1599 Geneva Bible used by the Pilgrims.)
9. Those promoting the Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology often accuse others of teaching “Replacement Theology”, but are they the masters of it? Are they promoting a form of Dual Covenant Theology based on race? (See “genealogies” in Titus 3:9)
10. Watch the TH-cam video “Genesis of Dispensational Theology” to see the origin of this man-made doctrine, which is less than 200 years old. It was brought to the United States about the time of the Civil War by John Nelson Darby. The doctrine was later incorporated into the notes of the Scofield Reference Bible, and then spread through much of the modern Church.
Dallas Theological Seminary in Dallas Texas was created in part to promote John Darby’s Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology.
Lewis Sperry Chafer, the first president of Dallas Theological, had the following to say about the difference between Israel and the Church:
“The dispensationalist believes that throughout the ages God is pursuing two distinct purposes: one related to the earth with earthly people and earthly objectives involved which is Judaism; while the other is related to heaven with heavenly people and heavenly objectives involved, which is Christianity.”
Lewis Sperry Chafer, Dispensationalism (Dallas, Seminary Press, 1936), p. 107.
Chafer states that, ‘Israel is an eternal nation, heir to an eternal land, with an eternal kingdom, on which David rules from an eternal throne,’ that is, on earth and distinct from the church who will be in heaven.”
Lewis Sperry Chafer. Systematic Theology. 1975. Vol. IV. pp. 315-323.
John Walvoord, another prominent voice of Dallas Theological stated…
"...it is an article of normative dispensational belief that the boundaries of the land promised to Abraham and his descendants from the Nile to the Euphrates will be literally instituted and that Jesus Christ will return to a literal and theocratic Jewish kingdom centred on a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem. In such a scheme the Church on earth is relegated to the status of a parenthesis.”
John F. Walvoord, The Rapture Question.1979, p. 25
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Are there two peoples of God in John 10:16? (See also 1 John 2:22-23, 2 John 1:7-11.)
What is the land promise to the Old Testament Saints in Hebrews 11:15-16?
Based on 2 Peter 3:10-13, is this earth “eternal”? Will it be replaced by a new earth?
Based on Acts 2:36, and Romans 9:6-8, and Romans 11:1-5, and Hebrews 12:22-24, and James 1:1-3, can faithful Israel and the Church be separated into two different groups?
Who is the New Covenant promised to in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and Hebrews 8:6-13?
Will modern Orthodox Jews ever be saved outside of the New Covenant Church?
But to believe the other main way to read the bible Is covenant theology, You have to spiritualize large portions at the old testament. If you are saying that dispensationalism is a pop culture thing, Then you.
Are really forced to come up with the third view. The only one I see so far who is trying to do that is john piper. Read what he says about new coven theology.
@@brianschmidt704well said. I went thirty five years not committed either way until I did a careful study of the prophet Isaiah. There is no way to give all the blessings to the church and the curses to the Jews
@@SpotterVideo i read you long defense of replacement theology and as usual you ignore the over one hundred passages that predict the future blessing for Israel. And while you're at it explain how it is that the blessings for Israel are conveniently given to the church and the curses to the Jews.
I love you, hank. Thank you for all the years of great teaching!
Thank you Hank for this . I love the term " Christian Zionists marching to Armageddon". I always asked what of Arab Christians. My Dispensationalist pastors and parents had to think about that
Thank you Hank! Your teachings have been a Blessing to me and my family for many years.
Darby didn't invent dispensational theology. Hanegraff states that dispensational theology was popularized by Darby and gives the distinct impression to his radio audience that dispensationalism began in Darby's era. Hanegraff misses the mark. The idea of different periods of God's dealing with Man is an old one and an obvious one (If any of you noticed, we don't live in an idyllic Garden anymore). This concept escapes Hanegraff although it was not lost on people such as Irenaeus (2nd Century), Augustine of Hippo (4-5th century), Joachim Fiore (12th century) who is credited by some with inspiring Dante's Divine Comedy. Fiore had three ages in his scheme (everybody is a dispensationalist including Hanegraff; they just have different numbers of dispensations and castigate anyone having one less or one more). The ancient Jews had their "Seven Thousand Year Plan", "The Ages of the World" found in the Dead Sea Scrolls and the Qumran community. And let us not forget the Jewish "Two Ages" (Present age; the age to come). But wait there's more! The Jewish Jubilee theory that divides history into 49 year sections. And I almost forgot: The Jewish Messianic Era! So when Hanegraff says there is nothing in the Bible about dispensations we will forgive him that the KJV mentions them in 4 places. If Hanegraff can't find the word Rapture (harpadzo in the Greek) in the Bible he denies the Rapture; if Hanegraff can't find dispensations in the new versions he reads (oeconomia in Greek I believe) he denies it. But anybody can see that God has had different ways of dealing with people in different eras (not to say that salvation by grace has changed; wanted to say that before Hanegraff could. :) ). Hanegraff is motivated to disparage anything that would cause people to look for the coming of Christ, the parousia. I don't know why. Perhaps Hanegraff can explain why. But I tell you this: Christ is Coming! Better get ready!
@granthodges3012 However early church fathers like Irenaeus and Augustine along with post-schism Western theologian Joachim Fiore wrote on the different ages in God's economy is besides the point. Not denying say the dispensation of temple, priest, and animal sacrifices coming to an end with Christ and the resurrection. What we never get is the Darby distinction of Israel and the Church, which is the sine qua non of dispensationalism according to Charles Ryrie. The Israel and Church distinction is unsupported biblically. See www.equip.org/articles/does-the-bible-make-a-distinction-between-israel-and-the-church-/ www.equip.org/article/dispensationalism-indispensable/ and www.equip.org/articles/one-shot-one-book-one-god/
@granthodges3012 A Jesuit Priest, Francisco Ribera dreamt up the false Pre-tribulation rapture doctrine. He was commanded to create a new eschatological doctrine that would combat the historical Protestant view that the Catholic Church was 1 of the beasts written in the book of Revelation. 2 more Jesuit Priests wrote a book & a commentary supporting Ribera. Scottish Presbyterian Edward Irving adopted it & 1 of his congregants Margaret MacDonald had a series of false rapture visions. Next came John Nelson Darby. Cyrus Ingerson Scofield who was heavily influenced by Darby interwoved Futurism/Pretrib rapture into his Reference Bible. By 1930 over 1million copies were in circulation & the Pretrib rapture/Futurism doctrine became part of mainstream American Christianity. I must give credit to Warrior4Jesus for this shortened history.
God took Noah, Lot, and the Israelites in Egypt out of the outpouring of His wrath YET, they weren't removed from this earth! Also, 2 Thess. says that the rapture will occur at the moment that the last trump sounds. Look in Revelation at what's happening during the time of the 7th trumpet, and perhaps you might become OPEN to the idea that it MIGHT be a premillinal post-trib rapture!!!! Publicly, I am a pan-tribber. I believe that whatever God chooses to do, it will "pan" out all right! I'm just saying that we can not know FOR SURE which view is correct. After all, didn't Jesus choose to come the 1st time in a way that the Jews didn't expect? And aren't they overall still BLIND to the coming of their Messiah during the 1st century CE?
@@rhondajkestin Um, of course God never told Noah, Lot, etc., that they were not appointed to wrath . . . as God, through Paul, precisely did in the discussion of the Rapture (harpadzo) in I Thessalonians 4:17. Allegorists don't study the Bible closely since THEY can make it mean what they want; this explains why they miss that Paul states the Rapture will occur, discusses the Tribulation and says "we are not appointed unto wrath"., in that order.
First off, commentators like the Bible Answer Man are commanded to "comfort one another with these words". When is the last time you heard the anti-Pre-Trib/anti-Semite crowd preach the comfort of the Rapture to their minions/congregants? To fail to preach the Rapture is to step outside the will of God. Not my opinion, Paul the Apostle spoke that. Of course, Hanneman, et. al., may be allegorizing that as well.
Second, since when did the Church turn in to a Calvinist-masochist club touting the glories of getting tortured during the Tribulation? The argument made by your side (Well, you guys are just afraid of a little suffering!) is ludicrous. By your lights Paul was a Gospel sissy for being let down over the wall in a basket to escape death (Acts 9). Why didn't Paul accept martyrdom like Stephen?! Do you see how far off the beaten track the anti-Semite/anti-Dispensationalists have wandered?
Third, when you abandon grammatical/historical interpretation you find yourself saying silly and often-times heretical stuff.
I am a pre-trib rapturist; I am not particularly a dispensationalist. Too much guessing about all those dispensations; same goes for the Reformed. They can't agree on anything either except that they hate the Dispensationists. Time to read the Bible for yourself Remember what you read. Judge all things by it.
@@granthodges3012 I agree. These people act like it’s all just going to be business as usual and they’ll still be going out to get their Starbucks every morning! When in fact Revelation tells us that a quarter of the world’s population will all die of starvation and disease alone in just the first 6 Seal judgements! Not to mention all the Bowl and Trumpet judgements! It’s going to be death on a scale the world has never seen! But they’ve got their “Prepper Pancakes” ready and THEY are going to make it through! When in fact these are called “judgements” because it’s made clear in Ch 6 that even those first 6 Seals are all the “wrath” of God on a Christ denying world. Nothing to be worried about though. Be of good cheer we’re all going to die horrific deaths if we’re still here. Now go comfort one another with those words. 🤮
The enemy is out to deceive and destroy the truth. Be watchful & pray that you be not deceived.
Hello from a contented Dispy.Haven't found any unscripturalness after 57 years.
God bless Darby, Schofield etc.
@RobertEdmunds-pz6ir Opinion appreciated. Not seeing the distinction between Israel and the Church. See www.equip.org/bible_answers/does-the-bible-make-a-distinction-between-israel-and-the-church-cbab/ www.equip.org/article/left-behind-from-root-to-ripened-fruit/ and www.equip.org/article/dispensationalism-indispensable/
People preached pre tribulation rapture and used dispensation before Darby. If you do not rightly divide the Bible like we’re taught to in 2 Timothy 2:15, then there are contradictions. We’re taught our salvation is faith without works and that through grace our faith in Jesus saves us. But James says faith without works is dead. So many contradictions if you do not use dispensation. The Bible’s pretty clear if you read it how it’s written. And realize not every scripture applies to you. Could not be saved by grace through faith before Jesus so you think those people didn’t have a different salvation? Cmon man it just makes sense word for word when you use dispensationalism.
@relaxingrealityescape5336 how does dispensationalism resolve the faith and works debate? Does not forms of dispensationalism, say ultradispensationalism, even dissect the NT in such a way that the dispensationalist will even rationalize a way to say the Sermon on the Mount is inapplicable for the Church but only for Israel? How is that a solution? Is it not a rationalization and compromise?
Christ's death and resurrection is sufficient for my salvation. I don't need to prove to Him that I need to be worthy by going through the tribulation. I simply follow the Word and let the post-tribulationists wring their hankies and clutch their pearls waiting for God to send them through a test as a guarantee of their holiness
Is not the future great tribulation presupposed in your question an incorrect understanding of the time of the great tribulation? Why?
KEEP HAMMERING BRO. HANK!.. SOME OF US WILL GET IT...SOME OF US THANK GOD FOR YOU!... HIS KINGDOM COME!...
I don't care if Darby taught it...or even if King Kong taught it. It has ALWAYS BEEN IN THE BIBLE! Can't you read? 1 Corinthians 15:51-58, 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17, II Thessalonians 2:1-8, and John 14:1. If you read it as it is written, you can't miss it; unless you are blind.
That’s a misreading of the text. Under your rendering of the interpretation, God is ordaining that ancient Israeli sacrifices must be reinstated at a rebuilt temple that was torn down in AD70. Jesus foretold of the temples demise. The church is the fulfillment of all of God’s promises to Abraham. Christ is the fulfillment of Israel, the Head of the Body of Christ. All who are saved into Christ are “Israel.” I suggest you do a deep dive into what those scriptures really mean, rather than hanging on to presuppositions being applied to scripture.
I still believe that "some glad morning we shall see Jesus in the air coming after you and me, joy is ours to share....now I see nothing wrong with that....
Wrong. Just like the singular word god is a misinterpretation of the word Elohim. There is no singular entity or god. You’re worshiping Enlil who is in fact sa-tan or administrator. The fucked up a lot. Truth is coming out.
I disagree with reference to Darby as putting a ‘spin ‘ on scripture. It is not a new concept the rapture or the catching up of the saints . The Apostle Paul clearly had by the Spirit from Christ in glory the ‘ rapture ‘ when he wrote the Epistle to the Thessalonians. In chapter 4 of the first epistle to the Thessalonians, he sets out very clearly the rapture of the saints - both old and new testament saints ( the first resurrection) . I agree completely with the accurate study of scripture but this must be with the help of the Holy Spirit who is the author of Scripture.
@gordonsinclair5692 Very little reason to suppose 1 Thessalonians 4 gives a pretribulation rapture, i.e., the idea that God is going to remove the Church from the Earth before the start of a future seven-year Great Tribulation that ends with Jesus' Second Coming and the start of the Millennium.
Hello everyone, I am working on a 2.5 year masters theses on patristics and eschatology at Truett McConnell University. Darby did not invent the pre-trib rapture, Thomas Tweedy did. Darby was also not dispensationalist. He believed in three basic periods: the time of the Jews, the time of the church, and the millennial reign. He did not pivot his theology on these periods. I have only talked to one Darby expert, James Fazio the Dean of Southern California Seminary. We spoke for about 40 minutes. He confirmed that Darby myths continually circulate. I plan on reading all of Darby’s works for my PhD. The burden of proof is on those making claims about Darby to provide the quotes from his writings. You will undoubtedly not find just about anything you have heard about JN Darby in his writings. Before you say something about someone from history, confirm it in their writings. Thanks and God bless, Hal
@halbachman7878 That Darby played no role is contributing to dispensationalism is far fetched to the point of fallacious. Stretches credulity beyond the breaking point. See Hank's Apocalypse Code | www.equip.org/product/the-apocalypse-code-paperback/
Sir, please re-read what I stated. You have said that I claimed something that I did not. Of course Darby affected Dispensationalism. I would ask you to address who “invented” the pre-trib rapture as well as quote John Nelson Darby as dividing history into seven divine economies. You will not find these because they do not exist. Please prove me wrong. Have a nice day, Hal B.
Also around the same time Joseph Smith started the LDS cult
Imagine if Darby had not birthed Dispensationalism ? I dare say less Christians would flock to Israel for a " holy" tour.
My grandparents (both sides) are hqrdcore dispensationalists (although idk if all of them would understand it by that name), and one set of them were definitely Christian-Zionists who used to tour Israel every few years. I love them, but I've grown to disagree with their interpretation in many related areas (although I think they're orthodox on the most important doctrines), but it's really, really hard to talk to them about the serious flaws in this ideology when it's basically all they've known and seem to have little to no extensive exposure to Christian thought outside of evangelical America unless it's first been read through that dispensational lense, certainly when it comes to eschatology anyway.
I've long felt there were huge problems with dispensationalist and have apretty good understanding of why it's wrong and reject it accordingly, but I still have absolutely no idea how to practically think outside of that philosophy's eschatological framework, and it's simething I'm really wanting to figure out, esoecially as we see all of these people talking about what's happening in Israel today.
We have published many different critiques on discpensationalism. See www.equip.org/articles/apocalypse-when/ www.equip.org/article/left-behind-from-root-to-ri www.equip.org/article/a-biblical-response-to-christian-zionism/pened-fruit/ www.equip.org/article/dispensationalism-indispensable/ www.equip.org/articles/the-perils-of-newspaper-eschatology/ www.equip.org/articles/obligation-blessing-abrahams-seed/ and www.equip.org/articles/modern-israel-in-bible-prophecy-promised-return-or-impending-exile/
Me too
I do not agree with Darby, or a pretrib rapture, because, Jesus said immediately after the tribulation of those days, we will see the sign of the Son of man coming in the clouds... That hasn't happened yet... It did not happen under the rule of Rome, because no one saw that... Darby was wrong, but so are Preterists... Just because I do not agree with Hank does not mean I agree with Jerry Jenkins and Tim Lahey... Can't both be wrong? Absolutely...
Jacob’s trouble is clearly found as early as Jeremiah.
Aren’t you slandering Darby?
There is a lot more there than just the Tribulation.
The Rapture is in 1 Thes 4, and the AntiChrist is in 2 Thes 2.
You cannot simply dispense with Rev 11 by simple slanders
@bobbrown409 None of those verses, Jeremiah 30:7, tells of a pretribulation rapture.
Acts 11:18
When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.
there is one gospel, 1st Corinthians 15.1-3, it's an everlasting gospel Rev 14.6. There is NOT 7 different gospels in the bible
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Hank, thank you for your passion to read the Bible objectively. I appreciate that message. I might ask that you re-evaluate your merchandising those you are supposed to be ministering to. It is a distinct mark of a false teacher (2 Peter 2:3 see the Greek for the actual verb of merchandising, which has been concealed as the watered down "exploit") and we are not to imitate evil (3 John 1:11). Please reconsider your marketing of your books on these videos.
@@TheGreatSkull123 And you get that from being slow to speak and quick to listen and slow to enter into an agitating judgment of men that never achieves the righteous judgment of God. Interesting how you can disobey the Scriptures while passing judgment on doctrine. Go back to your apostate teachers. Who told you to speak as if someone having something to say about light.
Wow Thanks Hank!!!!!
If anyone is not convinced that the church will not go through the great tribulation, look for the church in Revelation. The church is mentioned from chapter 1 to chapter 3. From there the church is not mentioned during the judgments that are coming to the earth. We see the church in chapter 19 already prepared, coming to reign with Christ. You can read 19:1-7. Unfortunately, Christianity is turning its back on these truths that we have in the scriptures, we are in times of apostasy “For the time will come when they will not harden sound doctrine; but after their own lusts they shall heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; and they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.”
2 Timothy 4:3-4 KJV
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Revelations says the beast will have power over believers. Can't have power over believers if there's a pre-trib. John 6:44.
@rwe1 yes, it is true there will be believers as there were in the Old Testament but they are not part of the Church, who are those believers? Look at Revelation 7, you will see that they are from the 12 tribes of Israel. Furthermore, the 70 weeks of Daniel are for the people of Daniel, that is, Israel, not for the church. Daniel 9:24 KJV, do not forget, the church is made up of Jews and Gentiles and it is one body, Israel the earthly people of God, will go through the great tribulation but the church, the heavenly people, will be taken first. 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
Christian Zionism is clearly incompatible with the commandments. I was turned off by their hypocrisy for most of my life until I found salvation directly from Jesus.
Matthew 24
37 And he said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. 38 This is the great and first commandment. 39 And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. 40 On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets.”
As Hank taught,
essentials:unity
nonessentials: Liberty
Imitating evil is not a nonessential.
The phrase is not a teaching. It is a marketing blurb, just like the Reductionist gospel is. It was coined in the apostate churches, which he used to belong to and of which he has not purged himself even now. There are no nonessential doctrines. That is a lie to get those of light to join with those walking in darkness who refuse to stop sinning.
Let's also remember what Jesus said to the Pharisees and that is they strained at a gnat and swallowed a camel. Basically they majored in the minors so let's lump those who make a big deal out of small things and divide over them in with the other modern day Pharisees who don't understand grace.
@@JDobrozsi1 💯You hit the nail on the head brother.
@KelzBernard 🙂 God bless me with a great and anointed Bible teacher that has studied the Bible for about 50 or so years and one thing that he keeps pointing out is that what Jesus dealt with is what the true body of Christ still deals with to this day. Solomon was right in Ecclesiastes 1:9 when he says there is nothing new under the sun and so that means that there are many more Pharisees today that act the same way as they did to Jesus and his disciples so we should expect it today. We shouldn't be surprised when you get folks who are upset with you because you don't believe all their non essential doctrines because the same demonic spirits that lived in the Pharisees live in them. Yes I said it Christians or so called Christians who profess they know Jesus and follow him can have demonic spirits that influence their word and actions. Fighting with a brother or sister in Christ who doesn't agree with your minor beliefs is of the devil so the next time you get one of them arguing with you don't neglect the fact that they could very well be under the influence of satan's little helpers. God bless you brother and keep you in these dark times in Jesus name!
Is this about the pre trib rapture?
I never thought I would have try and teach Hank something, but he is wrong on this one😊
Where was Ruth during Boaz's threshing? Yeah thats right, but this is just one of the old testaments pre trib lessons😊
How many times you gonna harp on the "exo and iso?", why can't you understand Beneniah etc..?😢
Yes, The pre tribulation rapture is part of it. Dispensationalism is a whole system that read the scripture literally. What he does not point out is that to solve the problems and and arrive at covenant theology, You need to spiritualize the text and show that israel became the church. Therefore, Israel's promises became the churches promises. If you really study the old testament carefully you will find that this is impossible. This is one of the reasons why covenant theology churches spend all their time in the new testament and occasionally in the psalms.
Did the wrongness of current prevailing Protestant eschatology play a part in your decision to convert to orthodoxy?
Hank discusses his journey to Eastern Orthodoxy in this Hank Unplugged episode > th-cam.com/video/RtkTbK2CVmM/w-d-xo.html
But some of the most faithful teachers have the scriptrue believe in this dispensational theology. It is not merely a few isolated.Isolated people like James Darby. Actually, Dispensationalism is reading the scripture as it says,
rather than spiritualizing the text to take care of the difficult passages that show that the church and Israel are different. I do not completely agree with them but they do have a very strong point and should not be dismissed.
Thank you!
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The first few minutes had several errors. First, the Plymouth Brethren began in Dublin, Ireland, not Plymouth, England. Second it began in 1825, not 1831.
@MaxMBJ Darby offers not a single verse to support the so-called pretribulation rapture. This is why Darby is making a theological imposition upon the Bible. Your assertion about Dublin contradicts Plymouth Brethern history… www.plymouthbrethrenchristianchurch.org/who-we-are/history/
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✅ interesting
In 1831 mary apeared in a convent in Parise and gave us the mirraculous medal
Are the dispensationist going to change in 8 year's. Since 8 year's from now be 200 year's of dispensationalism, are they going to have to change their viewpoint?
Well said...!
Please recommend a book that thoroughly takes down this belief system. Going all the way back to Edward Irving, Margaret MacDonald and the Jesuit priest who fed them this idea.
A good place to start is with Hank's book: The Apocalypse Code: Find Out What the Bible Really Says About the End Times and Why it Matters Today > www.equip.org/product/the-apocalypse-code-paperback/
431AD the council of Ephesus the catholic church outlawed pretribulation rapture doctrine and from 431AD to 1500AD persecuted and burned many at the stake for teaching pretribulation rapture doctrine. Ignatius 108AD (a student of John the apostle) taught pretribulation rapture doctrine, because its the truth.
@44spangle Where in the proceedings of the Council of Ephesus do we find the condemnation of the pretribulation rapture doctrine?
Source: Trust me bro.
I can agree with at least one thing that Dispensationalists say and that is the tribulation is known as Jacob's trouble and well we must ask who is Israel today in New Testament times? I think if we first start in Romans 2 we can see that a Jew isn’t one outwardly but inwardly and that means a circumcised heart. So if that means God doesn’t see an outward person who is Jewish as a Jew today then Christians and Jews alike who have been circumcised in the heart are New Testament Jews according to scripture. So we the church who are Israel spiritually speaking will go through the tribulation and be raptured out after the seven years. Satan sure is good at deceiving those who love not the truth that they might be deceived.
@JDobrozsi1 but that doesn't really make much sense when you add Daniel into the equation. The week of years to finish iniquity, the time of Jacob's trouble (as you mentioned above). What do you make of Romans 9-11?
@jtbtdlkt2012 I would like to discuss this as I currently see it with you. What about Romans 9-11 are you specifically speaking of?
@JDobrozsi1 do you see a distinction between Israel (as a people group) and the church (spiritual Israel if you want to call it that). I'm trying to gain a foothold on how you view Israel and the church, do you consider yourself reformed?
@jtbtdlkt2012 sorry for late response I do not consider myself reformed but I have been listening to a great Bible teacher for several years now and I understand it as you mentioned. "Natural Israel" as many know them are the Jews of the OT and the ones that are scattered worldwide today. We the church and born again Jews are the Israel today of the New Testament covenant. We spiritually are Israel that are the true seed of Abraham because the natural Jews who rejected Jesus rejected the benefits that Abraham was granted by God.
Wrong wrong and i say it again wrong. This has got nothing to do with with what Darby said. This is taught all through scripture. Their will be a catching away before the tribulation and the tribulation will be 7 years long. When we put scriptures in their proper context it explains it out 100 percent accurate. Read the word peoole read the word. 1st Thessalonians 4:16-18 put verse 18 in your head. Now go to Revelation and read chapter 6 to chapter 18. Please tell me what is so comforting about having to go through just as some people teach half of that or worse yet the whole thing. If anyone thinks they can go through all that then be my guest. Love yas God Bless
@davebailey7053 Disagree. There is not a single verse telling us there is a pretribulation rapture, i.e., the idea that God is going to remove the Church from the Earth before the start of a future seven-year Great Tribulation that ends with Jesus' Second Coming and the start of the Millennium. 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18 included.
Matthew 13:37-41 KJV
[37] He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man; [38] the field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; [39] the enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. [40] As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. [41] The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
Do you all believe in the Rapture of the Church? So, if Jesus comes as a thief in the night, will you all be sleeping? If Jesus already came, what about the Battle of Armageddon, the blood that will come up to a horses reins? The Anti Christ didn't sit in the temple 2000 years ago, isn't that in the near future after the 3rd Temple is built? I am curious, because I plan on Seeing Jesus soon , up in the clouds. This stuff is confusing. I
Hank addresses the problems with the pretribulation rapture doctrine in the following articles….
www.equip.org/article/left-behind-from-root-to-ripened-fruit/
www.equip.org/articles/apocalypse-when/
www.equip.org/article/daniel-prophesy-seven-year-great-tribulation/
Better read again
He doesn't come as a thief to us who are awake
Brother, you don't have to allow any stupidity of man like the one taught on this website to take away the truth from you. Only study the truth more to know the foolishness of this modern day preachers whenever you come across them and don't bother yourself to reply them however hurt you felt in you. Darby is a man sent to the Church by God. I will stop now. Happy soon coming of our Lord.
But there was a very strong theological line that believed in Israel's national conversion to the Christian faith after completing the number of Gentiles converted to Christianity, where it was believed, or still believed, that the veil will be removed from the entire nation of Israel. This doctrine influenced in 1650 the coming of Jews again to England through Oliver Cromwel. Many theologians in the Church of England believed this. Is this theology still valid or has it been discarded?
@70ADCommentary Matthew Poole (England Church) Romanos 11:25
Here he shows there is not only a possibility and probability, but a certainty of the Jews’ conversion and calling. This he calleth a
mystery, or a secret; though it was revealed in the Scripture, (as you will hear), yet it was not understood; nay, the manner, the number, and the time of their conversion, is still concealed and hid from us. The calling of the Gentiles was a mystery, and a great secret; see Eph 3:3; and so is the calling and restoration of the Jews. There are three particulars of this mystery, which he makes known to the Gentiles (and he doth it the rather, lest they should swell with a high conceit of themselves, and proudly despise the Jews): two of them are in this verse; and the first is,
that blindness is happened to Israel in part only; i.e. they were not all blinded or hardened; or this blindness should not last always, but for a time. The latter sense agrees best with the word mystery; for it was no secret that some of the Jews believed; this was told them before, Rom 11:2,5,7 (refs3). Secondly, another part of this mystery was, that this blindness of the Jews should continue till
the fulness of the Gentiles came in. By fulness here, (as in Rom 11:12), understand a great number or multitude of the Gentiles; greater, by far, than was in the apostles’ days. There is another exposition of this clause, which I submit to consideration: by the Gentiles, here, you may understand the Romans, or the Roman monarchy and power; {see Act 4:27; 21:11 (refs2)} and by the coming in of their fulness may be understood, the full time of their reign and continuance; after which their ruin follows. And so here is foretold the time of the calling of the Jews, which will be soon after the destruction of antichrist and the Roman monarchy.
Query: Whether this doth not agree with the prediction of our Saviour? Luk 21:24.
@@duduspol6082 So in the future after the rapture, jews will be saved because of their so-called ethinicty? Or will they be saved because they live in Palestine? My sister is 3 percent Ashkenazi (apparently Jewish DNA), will she be saved after the rapture?
@@aeiou9957 There's going to be only one second coming, the "rapture" as he stated is a man made idea
@@aeiou9957 after rapture not excist conversion. The old doctrine teach wich after complete gentios time all jews wil cristian convert and then second come. This is the interpretation this many old teologicals. without secret rapture intermediate.
Did these people believe Orthodox Jews would come to salvation outside of the Church?
GALATIANS 4
22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons , the one by a bond maid the other by a freewoman.
23 But he who was of the bond woman was born after the flesh: but he of the freewoman was by promise.
Doesn't this dispensationalism, if it talks about 2 distinct people. Sound racist?
it is very racist garbage, none of the reformers believed this rubbish
You obviously don't understand the meaning of racism.
The dispensations doctrine is the best approach to the bible study
@hanykheir7643 - In what way is such the case?
How?
One way of understanding Bible prophecies is to assume that the rule of Jesus on Earth began at his ascension, at the Pentecost thereafter or in 70 A.D.
In the late eighteenth and early nineteenth centuries, many people in North America were influenced by Jonathan Edwards who lived from 1703 to 1758. As I understand his theology, he didn’t expressly refute the doctrine that the rule of Jesus had already begun but he anticipated a thousand years of peace and increasing prosperity during which time the whole world would be converted and after which thousand years Jesus would fulfill his promise (as recorded in John 14 verses 2 & 3): In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.” Edwards seems to have considered this to be the same event as mentioned in I Thessalonians 4:13-18.
In the twentieth century (especially after WWII) many people in the United States were influenced by the theology of John Darby who lived from 1800 to 1882. Darby interpreted the words “caught up” in I Thessalonians 4 as a reference to an event when the redeemed will be caught up to heaven but Darby seems to have interpreted John 14:2 & 3 as meaning the opposite of what Jesus said. Instead of understanding the words of Jesus as a reference to the redeemed as being caught up to be with him where he has gone to prepare a place for us, Darby interpreted those verses to mean that Jesus will come again to be with us where we are.
That allowed Darby to interpret Revelation 20 verse 4 to mean something that isn’t actually in the text. Remember, I’m MISQUOTING it here to see whether you can recognize what ISN’T in the text. And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years upon the earth. (If you didn’t notice how I misquiated the text, please find it in your Bible and compare it.)
Could it be that Jonathan Edwards was right that John 14:2 & 3 and I Thessalonians 4:13-18 are references to the same event (but that the eternal home of the redeemed is this planet) AND that John Darby was right to emphasize that the redeemed will reign with Jesus on Earth (but mistaken about WHEN that will be)?
I’d prefer that each Christian look up the following texts for themselves but I’ve written them out and will post them if anyone requests it.
What if, instead of following Edwards’ or Darby’s interpretations exactly, we contemplate the possibility that the prophecies will be fulfilled in the following order:
John 14:2 & 3; I Corinthians 15:52-53; I Thessalonians 4:13-18 and Revelation 6:14-17 as all one event.
Galatians 4: 26 & Hebrews 11:10 as references to where the redeemed will be after being caught up. Daniel 7:22; I Corinthians 6:2 & 3 and Revelation 20 verse 4 as to what we will do after we are caught up.
Revelation 21:2 and 21:10. Does the new Jerusalem descend to Earth at the close of the thousand years? And is there any reason to think the redeemed - the bride of Jesus - won’t be in the city as it descends?
Revelation 20:7-9 Is this in preparation to attack the new Jerusalem? If so, will the glory of Jesus be revealed in such a way as to elicit a “confession” that he is a righteous judge (Philippians 2:10 & 11) but only the kind of confession that Judas made? (See Matthew 27:3-5.)
Ezekiel 28:13-19 and Revelation 20:9 Is this what happens next?
Isaiah 65:17; Malachi 4:3; Revelation 21:3; Revelation 22:2 After the smoke clears, is this the condition of the earth? And if the universe is henceforth to be ruled from this planet, is that the sense in which it will be the “new heaven”?
Good commentary. Sadly so many church goers do not have much background on just how much this man influenced the modern churches. He sounds very anti Semite. It will be interesting to dig into what motivated this personage. Pretty sure its about money. His ancestral castle called Leap Castle quite interesting if you like a hair raising .
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I cant find a basic christian church wher i live in spokane Washington area that doesn't teach this bad theory. Can anyone tell me of a church in north eastern Washington that i can attend that isnt teaching rapture b.s.?
@johnstack4316 The pretribulation rapture is practically the most widespread popular official unofficial doctrine embraced among evangelical Christians worldwide (So, the pretribulation is not necessarily explicitly affirmed in an official statement of faith but held with fierce dogmatism by members therein from pastor to parishioner.)
But there are churches that the pretribulation rapture has less influence, openly condemned , even prohibited from being taught, as in the cases of Presbyterian, Reformed, Lutheran, Wesleyan/Methodist traditions among Protestants. The same criticism and condemnation of the pretribulation rapture is found in Eastern Orthodoxy.
Flee to the Orthodox Church to avoid all heresies. When last I was there, I visited a Coptic Orthodox church in Kirkland.
Amen
- Darby and Scolfield, part of the end time deception.
@rickster3488 Thanks for sharing.
Jesus taught from the Bible using a literal hermeneutic, and he taught about the literal fulfillment of the coming kingdom of God, which he will accomplish on earth via David’s throne in Jerusalem. But Paul said in Romans 11:25-26 that Israel is hardened until the fullness of the Gentiles comes in, and in this way all Israel shall be saved, and that is fulfilled in Revelation 7 where angels restrain the great tribulation a little longer during that Israelite revival while raptured church saints celebrate their entry into heaven, their fullness having just come in.
But the Catholic church buried those things by enforcing a new allegorical hermeneutic, and they claimed the church is Israel and the kingdom is now. It was not until religious liberty flourished in 1600s Protestant England that the original biblical doctrines began to be recovered. Darby merely systematized what churchmen had been writing about before his day.
But in 1861, Robert Norton invented a conspiracy theory that Darby got his pre-trib doctrine from the spiritist Margaret Mac Donald, and he published her teachings which seemed to suggest a two-stage return of Jesus. But Norton made the whole thing up by editing her teaching after her death, removing the parts that clearly show how she taught the church goes thru the great tribulation to face the Antichrist, and Norton had published that original version in 1840. In addition to the fact that Darby could not have gotten his pre-trib Rapture from her post-trib teachings, Darby’s doctrine was formed several years before hers, and he'd rejected her teachings.
The reason why many people believe such false conspiracy theories today is because Dave MacPherson embellished and marketed Norton's false claims starting in the 1970s.
“Dispensationalism Before Darby” by William Watson proves using 350+ sources before Darby that he didn’t invent new ideas but systematized what others had been writing about for a long time.
Would you care to supply some of those sources before Darby? You can just give me the names, I will research this once I have names to work with.
@@J.F.331, I cannot post links, so I suggest that you google _William Watson Dispensationalism Darby_ and then watch his lecture on Vimeo, or you can stop in about the first 20 seconds where he lists two dozen names/dates that you’re looking for.
One of the earliest sermons was written by Pseudo-Ephraem around 350AD. He stated that the church would be removed during the time of Gods wrath. There are some online articles with more information.
@@togo890707 Did he not say "For all the saints and elect of God are gathered, prior to the tribulation that is to come, and are taken to the Lord lest they see the confusion that is to overwhelm the world because of our sins. "
@@biblehistoryscience3530 this is what I found: All the saints and elect of God are gathered together before the tribulation, which is to come, and are taken to the Lord, in order that they may not see at any time the confusion which overwhelms the world because of our sins.
Darby & Darwin don't deserve to be compared at the same unholy & ungodly level. I was raised dispensationalist and know many who are, and they certainly love Jesus and hold to an honest hermeneutical approach to Scripture. I have ammilenial and postmillenial friends too and they treat the Bible with integrity and live their life for Christ & His Kingdom. Yes, somebody is wrong and somebody is right. However, this video degrades the integrity of all dispensationalists as if they are in an evolutionary cult. That is not right and not an accurate assessment. "The testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy" - Rev. 19. "Come Lord Jesus come." Any eschatology that gets you focused on Jesus is safe. That's not what this video portrayed. As Christ said, "anyone who is not against us is for us." Mark 9:38-42. This video is not a call to any kind of good unity, but division.
Well said. You can see from my own channel where I stand, and appreciate what you say, that "any eschatology that gets you focused on Jesus is safe". I'm waiting for the Lord to come, at any moment, to take us all to be with Himself, and for no other event. If I were more single-minded and less easily distracted by earthly things and worldly concerns, then that hope would have a greater purifying effect on me - the more I grow in my expectation and anticipation of the coming of the Lord, the more I'll grow in Him and the better I'll serve Him in this waiting time.
They also call Queer Israel, God's chosen people!
Only those in Jesus Christ are the true Israel.
@danchasteen7629 Comment noted.
Seems your understanding of Scripture might be as illuminated as this video…darkened.
Thank you Hank
I thought maybe this would clarify and refute, but instead it goes into somewhat hysterical emotional appeals. Also, Hank, do you kiss and venerate icons, as well as Mary? Seriously.
@patrickbree2078 No emotional appeals, but arguments based on biblical truths and errors communicated by John Nelson Darby. Why bring up the veneration of icons and saints like Mary the Mother of Jesus? Those issues neither disproves Hank nor proves Darby.
See www.equip.org/article/john-of-damascus-and-his-defense-of-icons/ and th-cam.com/video/10iR-XvpDAg/w-d-xo.html
@BibleAnswerMan In this video, there is not a clear refutation from scriture that exames and refutes. However, looks like there are others videos that Hank has done where he goes into greater detail. The reason that I bring up kissing icons and Mary "veneration", is because these things help me to know if someone is really looking at the truth from the scriptures, or is depending more on tradition, logical arguments, and what they believe to be true because for reasons other than the clear Word of God.
The gospel is the gospel of the kingdom!
Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah died for his people! God resurrected the Messiah! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21
Matt 24
14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.
Jesus said the Father is the only true God!
John 17
3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.
Well done Hank! Makes for a good sci-fy movie but not a bit of truth to it.
Hank is denying Bible Truth ...
Dispensationalism is the result of finally having access to the scripture. reading the scriptures literally without the tyranny of the catholic church. Trying to make the dispensationalist out to be antisemitical is hilarious. They are the first cristians since the primitive church that recognized the future blessing of national israel. Darby isn't the one who foretold the horors of Armageddon it was Zachariah.
@johananswedlund7149 Not seeing the literal interpretation getting dispensationalism, particularly the pretribulation rapture.
@@BibleAnswerMan put the dots together. Israel is prophecied to be the head of nations after returning to their land. Their return would result in fruit growing where it previously didn't. The neighbors would be jealous and sage war based on religion. If these prophecies and many more are true then God is fulfilling his word in national Israel.
Grab your own shovel to dig. I did
Why try to link Darwin with godly believers? Division.
So Hank warns us not to pull a Darwin and use subjective inspiration into the Word. Got it. Too bad he didn’t detail a single example of Darby doing that.
Your strawman attack on Darby is pathetic. There is no surprise return of the master without pretrib rapture. Noah and Lot were taken before the wrath fell from the sky. You ignore the Bible to support your human masters like this preacher. Study the Bible and no one else.
@abigailscott9055 How is JN Darby being misrepresented?
@@BibleAnswerMan In my view, you didn't actually represent J.N. Darby at all - you didn't examine any of his ministry, never mind his ministry on the subject. You might take one look at my channel and write me off as a Darbyite partisan, but I do take the time to consider a lot of different views, and I have respectful and edifying conversations with a lot of believers with whom I disagree on certain points. My personal rule is that if I'm going to criticise a person's works, then I take the time to examine those works, in context.
Also, on a related note, the Plymouth Brethren Christian Church (so-called) does not represent J.N. Darby either - in many ways that organisation is anthethical to the spirit and letter of what Darby taught. If he were alive today, he would have nothing to do with it.
I love your straw man argument. You use complicated words like exegesis and isogesis to confuse your viewer but how about scriptures to support your claim? I didn't hear one verse during the whole video. Also as a premillennialist I believe it not the Jews only but the whole world who rejected Jesus going through the great tribulation. Thanks for showing your bias.
Maku: The Bible only ever speaks of 2 ages. The present age, and the age to come. The present age we live in now is temperal the age to come is eternal. When Christ returns it is the end of the temperal age, (human history as we know it, )and the beginning of the eternal age. 2 Peter 3: 10,. John 5: 28-29. Dan 12: 2. Darby wasn't the sharpest knife in the draw. He originally got his strange ideas by studying 500 page explanation of Daniel and Revelation that was compiled by the Jesuit priest Francisco Ribera in the 1500s. But the verses I have quoted leave no room for the strange Eschatology of Ribera/ Darby. I didn't get around to quoting all the different verses that clearly state that there are only 2 ages. 😊
@@alongcamejones309 If you interpret 2 Peter 3:10, John 5:28-29 and Daniel 12:2 in the way you're doing, then you're going to run into difficulties with a whole lot of other scriptures - Revelation 20:4-6 to name just one. I'm quite willing to accept the idea that there are only two ages - that there is time, and then there is eternity. There is, however, a great deal more still to happen before we reach the eternal day - so much prophecy remains, as yet, unfufilled.