John Nelson Darby and Dispensationalism
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- Hank Hanegraaff, the host of the Bible Answer Man broadcast answers a question about John Nelson Darby and Dispensationalism.
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I totally agree with Mr Hanegraaff. I was taught dispensation theology & did NOT come to that on my own accord. Now after really delving into the Word & asking HS to teach me I began to see scriptures that contradicts dispensation like 1Cor 15:25,1John 3:8, Col.2:15 etc. Nowhere did I see Jesus talk of the need for a rebuilt temple, exclusivity of the land of Israel or the need for temple sacrifice and Jesus is the STANDARD. Dispensation has led to Zionism & a very defeatist attitude among evangelicals-not what Christ wants. He said He has been given all authority now go...why would he tell us to go if the whole world were going to be destroyed (according to dispensation)? I urge many who’ve never looked at another viewpoint of Scripture to look into the writings of Josephus, Gary Demar, Dr Jonathan Welton & Brian Godawa as they do a good job showing the context of scripture.
Non sense,...your authority Mr. Hannagrph, has left the Protestant Church for Greek Orthodoxy, ...which is Heretical in and of its self,...and your supposition are equally heretical...even Daniel spoke of time's plus time's plus half times,.. the notion that the Bible is one linear narrative, cannote's the FACT, CHRISTIANITY STOLE ANOTHER RELIGIONS BIBLE, THE HOLY TaNak,...which is the Bible of Judaism,...a religion of the Jewish people in Israel,...Do you Christain's think before you speak?....the Old Testament isn't Christianity its Judaism....the Vatican, cut and pasted the Bible into ours....guess what?...not all Jews unfortunately believe in Yeshua, ...they live in Israel, and are called Jews,....their religion is called Judaism......it was the religion Yeshua was born into,... and spoke of,...the Christians stole that religion and turned it into Christianity ..Hence why I'm a Messianic Jew.....Yeshua/Jesus follower.....Paul didn't write the Jews out of their history either, the Catholic Church did....Greek Orthodoxy was married to that church for nearly a thousand year's....Mr Hanky Panky joined that Club....Shame on him. Epic fail......Bruh....get your facts straight ....Shalom
@@RobbieSalome THE APOSTLE PAUL SAID....WHAT MATTERS IS.." A NEW MAN".... NOT WHO FOLLOWS WHO.....CHRIST SAID EITHER YOU ARE FOR ME OR AGAINST ME.....THE SELF RIGHTEOUSNESS OF FOLK WHO FEEL THEY HAVE .." THE WAY"... IS FALSE...CHRIST HAS DEVOTED FOLLOWERS WHO CLAIM " NO AFFILIATIONS"... CHRIST BUILDS HIS CHURCH
@@RobbieSalome but there is not pretrib rapture. If you believe there is show me the verse
@@hippiegypsygirlfirst you must believe the Bible then the rapture is clearer
You don't believe this neither does Hank 2 groups
Galatians 2:7-9 KJVS
But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter; [8] (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles:) [9] And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.
God bless you Hank, May God help and strengthen you in your ministry. Thank you so much for what you do
Good job Hank. Too bad logical arguments from scripture have no real effect against Dispensationalism.
Hahaha yes it is to bad indeed
But, if it is false, why didnt Hank call it out as such, when asked about its status, at 6:55?
@@PeterLJohnson55 it didn’t even exist until 200 years ago. It is not biblical. The Bible is thousands of years old and you think no one noticed this until then?! It’s called man doing gymnastics trying to manipulate gods word and it happens all the time. He knew he could get popular and make money if he told us we don’t go through tribulation. The Bible says we get raptured at the end of trib! We go through trib and there aren’t two separate groups of saved people. We are all equal once saved
Thank you for your response,@@hippiegypsygirl . Yes, I agree entirely. Tribulation is going to be rough but the Lord will bring his people thru it, to the praise of his glory and grace.
When answering a question from 6:55, Hank seemed to have steered a road so as not to offend his dispy friends, which I found puzzling. Having dismantled a pre-trib rapture in his answer to the original question, Hanegraaff then agreed with his caller that, 'it is not quite heretical but it is questionable'. (If I am wrong, maybe Hank can set me straight, as I do not want to misrepresent his position).
So, is the pre-trib rapture a false and non-biblical teaching? Sure is! What is the difference between a heresy and a false teaching? Probably not much, if any at all.
@@hippiegypsygirl but I cannot speak to Darby's motives, as I have no clue on that, unless someone has with evidence which clearly document his intentions as nefarious.
One gospel. For salvation of the Jews and gentiles. Peace in our Lord our God.
Joh 14:6
Agreed.
When I first became a Christian, I like so many others were taught Dispensationalism. After years of study and challenging myself to be consistent I can now say I completely reject Dispensationalism as it is simply not Biblical.
Who is really teaching “Replacement Theology” ?
(Did God fulfill His promises to the Jewish people at Calvary? Matthew 26:28, John 19:30)
The advocates of modern Dispensational Theology often accuse others of promoting “Replacement Theology”, or some may even say “Antisemitism”. What does the Bible say about their accusations?
1. Who is replacing Christ as the seed of Abraham through which all the families of the Earth would be blessed in Genesis 12:3, with Abraham’s modern descendants? (See Galatians 3:8)
2. Who is replacing the one people of God in John 10:16, with two peoples of God ?
3. Who is replacing the one seed (Christ) in Galatians 3:16, with the many seeds?
4. Who is replacing the children of the promise in Romans 9:8, with the children of the flesh?
5. Who is replacing the faithful “remnant” of Israelites in Romans 11:1-5, with the Baal worshipers?
6. Who is replacing the word "so" in Romans 11:26, with the word "then"?
7. Who is attempting to replace the Church made up of all races of people, with one made up only of Gentiles? Why did Peter address the crowd as “all the house of Israel” in Acts 2:36, when about 3,000 Israelites accepted Christ on the Day of Pentecost?
8. Based on Hebrews 9:15, the New Covenant cannot be separated from the Messiah’s death. Is the covenant in Daniel 9:27 connected to the Messiah’s death in Daniel 9:26. Is the covenant with the “many” in Daniel 9:27 the same covenant with the “many” in Matthew 26:28? If it is, some have replaced the New Covenant in Daniel 9:27 with a future covenant made by an antichrist not found in Daniel chapter 9. (See the 1599 Geneva Bible used by the Pilgrims.)
9. Those promoting the Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology often accuse others of teaching “Replacement Theology”, but are they the masters of it? Are they promoting a form of Dual Covenant Theology based on race? (See “genealogies” in Titus 3:9) Is the most important genealogy in the Bible found in Matthew 1:1? Is God's Son the ultimate fulfillment of Israel? Why has the modern Church done a pitiful job of sharing the Gospel with modern Orthodox Jews? Why would someone tell them they are God's chosen people and then fail to share the Gospel with them? Who is the seed of the woman promised in Genesis 3:15? Who is the "son" in Psalm 2? Who is the "suffering servant" of Isaiah 53? Who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34? Who would fulfill the timeline of Daniel chapter 9 before the second temple was destroyed? Why have we not heard this simple Old Testament Gospel preached on Christian television in the United States on a regular basis?
10. Watch the TH-cam video “Genesis of Dispensational Theology” to see the origin of this man-made doctrine, which is less than 200 years old. It was brought to the United States about the time of the Civil War by John Nelson Darby. The doctrine was later incorporated into the notes of the Scofield Reference Bible, and then spread through much of the modern Church.
Dallas Theological Seminary in Dallas Texas was created in part to promote John Darby’s Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology.
Lewis Sperry Chafer, the first president of Dallas Theological, had the following to say about the difference between Israel and the Church:
“The dispensationalist believes that throughout the ages God is pursuing two distinct purposes: one related to the earth with earthly people and earthly objectives involved which is Judaism; while the other is related to heaven with heavenly people and heavenly objectives involved, which is Christianity.”
Lewis Sperry Chafer, Dispensationalism (Dallas, Seminary Press, 1936), p. 107.
Chafer states that, ‘Israel is an eternal nation, heir to an eternal land, with an eternal kingdom, on which David rules from an eternal throne,’ that is, on earth and distinct from the church who will be in heaven.”
Lewis Sperry Chafer. Systematic Theology. 1975. Vol. IV. pp. 315-323.
John Walvoord, another prominent voice of Dallas Theological stated…
"...it is an article of normative dispensational belief that the boundaries of the land promised to Abraham and his descendants from the Nile to the Euphrates will be literally instituted and that Jesus Christ will return to a literal and theocratic Jewish kingdom centred on a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem. In such a scheme the Church on earth is relegated to the status of a parenthesis.”
John F. Walvoord, The Rapture Question.1979, p. 25
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Are there two peoples of God in John 10:16? (See also 1 John 2:22-23, 2 John 1:7-11.)
What is the land promise to the Old Testament Saints in Hebrews 11:15-16?
Based on 2 Peter 3:10-13, is this earth “eternal”? Will it be replaced by a new earth?
Based on Acts 2:36, and Romans 9:6-8, and Romans 11:1-5, and Hebrews 12:22-24, and James 1:1-3, can faithful Israel and the Church be separated into two different groups?
Who is the New Covenant promised to in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and Hebrews 8:6-13?
Will modern Orthodox Jews ever be saved outside of the New Covenant Church?
@@SpotterVideo i appreciate your effort, but can you sum it up😂
John Nelson Darby did not come up with dispensationalism. There's a book called dispensationalism before Darby I highly recommend people check it out. Because it's an outright lie to say that John Nelson Darby created dispensational theology
you need to be more specific before using strong words about those who are making the said claims about Darby
A young Scottish girl named Mcdonald had a dream or vision of some type of rapture and Darby ran with it. So did Moody and eventually a crooked attorney turned supposed christian named Scofield created a study Bible in 1909. Horrible study Bible with his wrong interpretation of scripture. Scofield never attended any type of theological College and only became a Christian so his wealthy sister would pay off his debt and fines for being a forger and swindler. By the way Scofield abandoned his first wife and children and rarely gave any support. Total sack of crap, this is the study Bible all these dispensationalism goofballs want to quote.
@@johnstack4316 yeah this is all true these people all had their own interpretations Schofield Darby the Scottish girl all of it all of them had their own interpretations of the Rapture their own interpretations of dispensational theology except in the actual Bible itself and let me preface this. In the actual Bible itself it's very clear that according to scripture there is a pre-tribulational rapture it's not something that was created by Schofield or Darby or any Scottish person it's an actual biblical truth. Dispensational theology is not something that is man-made it's biblical it is a Biblical truth taught by the Apostle Paul the followers of Paul were called Paul worshipers by the Catholic mass in one day $10,000 of them were killed I have a video from a historian who goes over the followers of Paul and how the enemies of Paul would call them Paul worshipers simply for following the teachings of Paul according to scripture. The Armenian Genocide of 1.5 million Armenians was done by people who despised them for their Doctrine. Because the Armenian Genocide if you study the doctrine of the Armenians all of them preach the gospel of the grace of God all of them preached faith alone the group that annihilated them were all humanists the saying of the group their Creed is Liberty equality of fraternity it was all over the banners the French Revolution which was also started from the college sector the Creed of the French Revolution was Liberty and quality of Eternity Thomas Jefferson who was a very big humanist in his own letters stated that he despised the Apostle Paul he denied Paul as an apostle he denied the deity of Christ and humanized all of Christ teachings into morality teachings. These are humanists they're evil they use scripture in the Bible according to morals and Dogma by Albert Pike who was a 33rd degree Mason to manipulate people through a sense of morals and Dogma this is modern day witchcraft by manipulating you with false knowledge false information by taking truth in making it into a Lie by turning God's word into a humanist word rather than going by Doctrine. This is why Paul says in 1st Timothy anything contrary to sound Doctrine is a sin you have to be sound in your Doctrine. You have to be rooted and grounded in Paul's gospel and the preaching of Jesus Christ according to the revelation of the mystery so you are not taken to and fro by every wind of Doctrine by the slightest and cunning craftiness of men who line away to deceive you. If not you're like a ping pong ball. For Pete's sakes the United States has an all seeing eye of Lucifer on its money, it has Groves where they worship a pagan God in burn a small Effigy Of A Child every year presidents and heads of state go there every year, repeat sakes I used to work for a hospital for 7 years and the facility I worked for made business with another facility whose icon was a bull Satan is referred to as a cow the stock market has a cow as their symbol our world our nation is a materialist capitalistic system that is primarily controlled by money for the love of money is the root of all evil. I could go on for days about this. The United States is a nation that is evil it's not a nation that you think it is I've studied all the wars I've studied all the war crimes we've committed I'm not a leftist I'm not a right winger I'm in the middle.
@@inthedark334amen brother
Hank has been a blessing to my grow and understanding. This video seems sound, and his explanation of The modern view of Dispensational eschatology is right on. Christians down through the ages hadn't believed in two people's of God, only one.
FACTS...PART OF THE " MYSTERY" PAUL REFERS TO
@@MD-cd7em The Mystery is Christ in us, the Hope of Glory.
@@donnas1787 NO ARGUMENT HERE...I WAS ONLY REFRERENCING WHAT PAUL WAS SPEAKING ON
@@MD-cd7em I wasn't trying to make an argument, sorry if it seemed so. I was just saying what I read the mystery was, that's all.
@@donnas1787 OH..I FULLY BELIEVE YOU...I DIDNT THINK YOU WERE...MY STATEMENT WASN'T COMMUNICATED WELL....
I have attended a Dispensational church for over 20 years, and I came to the same conclusion Hank is explaining, just by reading the scriptures, I was not taught by any Bible teacher, to me it was a new discovery then I came to find out, I was not alone, it was an already established orthodox teaching of the Bible. Oh. I still attend the same Church, and I now teach knowing your true identity in Christ that God has only one chosen people and it's not unbelieving Israeli Jews.
Love you Book Hank. Really bring truth to light. Believers need to turn from the Fairy Tales of the Pretib Rapture. We do not base our view of the end times upon Books like "The Late great Planet Earth or anything by Tim LaHaye. People fall for deception because they have itchy ears. But, Paul warned us about the later times people would fall for fables.
I was a hyper-dispensationalist for 10 years under the teaching of EW Bullinger and the Concordant Bible Society, who themselves were also Conditional Universalists, I thank the good Lord for being shown the light that guided me out of such teachings.
Hank is spot on that although Dispensationalists believe in a Gospel for the Church and a Gospel for Israel, nevertheless, they are the Lord's people even if they are misguided.
Im not an expert on dispensationalism. But Ive heard people say, for example, that the Sermon on the mount dont apply to christians today because Jesus taught this before his crucifixion. That seems very wrong to me, and it divides up the Bible. Is this something to refute?
Andrew Kanoik, Dispensationalism teaches that salvation is by grace thru faith in Jesus. Hyper-Dispensationalism is a heresy that says there are different plans of salvation for Israel and the Gentile church.
People may disagree about the interpretation of scripture but that is because of the several false doctrines that have been around for hundreds of years.
Very well said.
There is only ONE return of Christ in which we will be caught up "Raptured" to meet the Lord Jesus(Yeshua) in the air.1 Thessalonians 4:14-17.🙏🔥👑
I think so too.
Thanks for this post.
Lewis Sperry Chafer was Presbytrian and Dr. W.H. Griffith Thomas was an Anglican yet they were dispensationalist and co founded Dallas Theological Seminary. The early dispensationalist came from churches the held to Calvinistic creeds. It is not limited to a single denomination but rather is found in some of the mainline ones.
Wow you are a deep theological teacher in which the things that you are teaching is true.
But to make it simple Jesus said upon this rock I will build my church.
He didn't say he will build his churches.
Ephesians 4:4-7
There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
7 But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.
Amen 🙏!
@tonyteb, Umm, I think it's found in Revelation 20: 4-6. I'm assuming you're an amillenialist or postmillenialist. Is that correct?
The basis issue of dispensationalism is the distinction between Israel and the Church from a consistant premillennial belief. The basic issue is the distinction between the present form of the kingdom and it's future form of it. Lutherans dont teach CT. This I know from friends of mine who are Lutheran ministers and from their systematic theology sets. The postponement theory is not limited to dispensationalism but held by other premillennialist.
Do not dismiss dispensationalism without first investigating to see if it is true. The greatest barrier to truth is the assumption you already have it.
Don't take Hank's word for it; study to show yourself approved by God.
Food for thought: Jesus, while speaking to a Jew, said, "...Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God." (John 3:5)
Peter told the Jews on
Pentecost, "Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of
Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of
the Holy Spirit."
Paul, a Jew himself, telling about his conversion, said, Ananias
said to me, "And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and
wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord." (wash away
your sins?)
Paul, the apostle to the Gentiles, in his letter to the Gentile church at Corinth said, "Moreover, Brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also you have received, and wherein you stand; (2) by which also you are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. (3) For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; and that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: (1 Co 15:1-4
- There is no mention of baptism in Paul's gospel) Paul said in 1 Co
1:17 "For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the
gospel:..." However, Jesus sent Peter to baptize, " Mat 28:19
"Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the
Father, and of the Son, and the Holy Spirit:" (who are "all
nations?" They are the Jews of the diaspora, from the Syrian and
Babylonian captivities. How do we know that: Because Jesus said: Mat 15:24
"...I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel."
But, what about his apostles? Who were they to go to? Jesus told his apostles:
Mat 10:5-6 "...Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any
city of the Samaritans, enter ye not: but go rather to the lost sheep of the
house of Israel."
Two different gospels: one for the Jews, God's chosen people, and the other for Gentiles. Peter, James and John, in all of their writings never say a single word about the body of Christ. The body of Christ, the Church, was a revelation from Christ directly to Paul. Christ did not give it to the twelve.
BTW, if it is all one
gospel for Jews and Gentiles, what was the need for Paul, who said himself that
he was the apostle to the Gentiles? Lots of food for thought and research. So
hop to it. :-)
Gal 3: 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
1 Corinthians 15:52
In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the LAST TRUMP: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
The rapture is at the last trump at the end of the tribulation, there are 7 trumps
@Yoshke Mamzer Baalam BenStada since you believe this evil wicked world is the kingdom of Christ, then your messiah must be the devil.
@Yoshke Mamzer Baalam BenStada Mamzer means a satanic bastard and Baalam is the name of a false prophet so you picked a satanic name.
@Yoshke Mamzer Baalam BenStada my apologies then. I read portions of the talmud in the Boca south florida public library around 30 years ago which is a large you know who population. I know about the Liberty and 9/11 and the Lavon affair and many of their other lies. you could have also mentioned Kabbalah. but still I believe one day Christ will return and burn the tares. Yes I know who cain's daddy was....
It's good that Hank points out the falseness of dispensationalism but then he goes on to say that it is not heretical because he has committed believing friends who believe in this.
Sorry. That is spiritual nepotism. Dispensationalism is heresy because it is a false teaching not found in the bible.
***** So I see you're a psychopathic Unsaved Lordship Salvationist!
So you go around to 20 different comments on my account and spread your vile lies.
You are a sick puppy.
The Lord will judge you at the Great White throne judgment. You can harass true believers with your works crap. You will pay the penalty for your wickedness.
willie is what willie is bro Jacob. An incorrigible ignoramus!
DO YOU have dimentia willie boy? Look at your provocative posts and quit your whimpering and whining; you brought this on yourself!
I am thankful for the clarity, in the explanation of dispensational doctrine
Aloysius Almeida dispensational doctrine turns God into a schizophrenic God.There is so much that happened between 30AD-70AD that most evangelicals are ignorant of. Plz look up Raptureless by Dr Jonathan Welton as it connects many of the dots & shows that Jesus was the perfect prophet as well as being the Son of God. I, too, was wrapped up in dispensation teaching for over 20 years & after asking the Holy Spirit to teach me , I believe He showed me what was truly meant by the scriptures through revelation. Gary Demar is another one who explains well eschatology & why it matters. th-cam.com/video/_27H7RHEYuE/w-d-xo.html
Did he call Arthur Pink a Dispensationalist?!?! That's news to me.
Our final authority is the word of God, not a label for some system of interpretation.The promises in the O.T.were for Israel, not the church.There will be a literal rapture, a literal millennium. The church didn't even exist until the Day of Pentecost.Until that time, the prophets and apostles were Jews asking Jewish questions about the nation of Israel, not the church which didn't exist yet.Salvation has always been by grace through faith but Israel was a distinct nation apart from the church.
One mystery is that the jew and gentile are in one body! This is hard to accept by many people. That's why it's a mystery to many.
Of course they reject it. There is no room for Dispensationalism in most of those denominations because their rituals already have their foot in more than one dispensation. How would you have priests unless you are completely confused about what age you live in? But just because an idea is "new", such as Lutheranism was in its day, doesn't mean it is wrong. Each of the denominations were "new" in their day. What matters is if they hold up against scripture.
Amen!
He is wrong to say that Dispensationalism is a "presupposition foisted on the scriptures rather than drawn from the scriptures". Nothing could be further than the truth. Dispensationalism is not an hermeneutical approach, but rather a doctrine that is a product of a literal contextual exegetical approach to interpreting scripture.
+PhilGeissler No It's not.
+C. A. Aguirre Just pointed out where is wrong. I am a student of Dispensationalism. Grant it I am not an expert, but I know enough to correct his error.
+PhilGeissler totally agree
Simply answer this: At what point in human history did man start being saved by grace?
Dianne E. Jackel Yes, grace began the moment God laid out the plan of salvation, but nothing is said about "triune".
Twice said is good enough for anyone out of the mouth of God; alive and remain.
People say this as though there is something bad in recognizing a difference between adam and eve and the church. Are you not supposed to eat from the forbidden tree? Planning on building an ark for when the flood comes? Are you supposed to follow mosaic law? Should you refuse the mark of the beast? We all know there are dispensations we just don't want to admit it. All it does is put things in their proper place. Unless you are catholic or 7th day adventist it probably shouldn't bother you
Great explanation! Spot on!
Or replacement theology; while rapture is not in the blble; caught away is;[Ist Thess.4:16:17] [Ist Corinthians 15:51 & on] last 7 years is time of Jacob's trouble, mainly to draw jews to Jesus, with the 144,000 jews, and the 2 witnesses, and to finish evangelism on the earth before the 2nd coming of Jesus; in which he comes back to the earth to set up his kingdom; Jack Rick; I believe you and I agree on this right ?
What happens after Christ rules the earth for 1000 years?
The Cross Of Truth don’t listen to fools who tend to mix up 2 entirely different things. Read revelation 20,21,22 to find out what happens
Good explanation. One people. One salvation.
What Hank and other post people don't seem to get is; Jesus comes in the air for his church; comes to the earth with his church at his second coming; Hank reads far too many revised non-authorized bibles, which takes a believer away from actual authorized scripture, and the blessed hope.; he thinks it does not matter; it matters alot; the devil is using man like him to kill hope in the church, and causing them to live loosely.
If God did not have “two people,” then why the theme of us and them, why sheep and goats, why the chosen and the unchosen, why two places after physical death...Heaven and Hell? God does have ONE people from a group of TWO.
Systematic Theology is something that is good. It shows a mature growth in the faith. The creeds were never intended to prevent the formulation of other areas of theology not stated in it. That is why they were basic.
Well Jesus gave Paul mysteries to give to the gentiles. Galatians 2 and Ephesians 3 explains this. Paul ministry was to the gentiles and Peter, James and John ministry was to the Jews. There is a dispensational truth to the word of God. We are commanded to rightly divide His word in 2 Timothy 2:15. We are to follow Paul’s example in the dispensation of grace.
God has only had one true people. God is not a racist.
If the word of God makes plain sense seek no other sense. With Hank's method, a lot of spiritualization has to be done with scriptures that are obviously historical narrative and meant to be taken, literally. As brothers in Christ, we will have to agree to disagree. John MacArthur has a good refutation to all of Hank Hanegraaffs arguments. By the way, if you interpret scripture literally, the belief of a literal millennium, rapture, Israel etc. this belief was long before Darby.
In context he was not teaching transsubstantiaton. I have his writings. He is writings those who denied the humanity of Jesus and used it as evidence againist them. He used hyperbolic language to make his point of the reality of Jesus humanity. That is a favorite miscitation of him by Roman Catholics. Never seen one cite him in full context. Transubstantiation is post 900ad. He was dealing with various forms of gnosticism.Historical context is important.
@tonyteb, How do you interpret Daniel's seventy "sevens". What do you think the last 7 is?
@tonyteb, The gap is the desolations that are determined after the war (the war which happened between the jews and the romans in 66-73). Anyway, you seem to add a gap from christ's crucifixion until AD 70. What do you have to say about that?
Physical presense of Jesus in the Lord's Supper is not transsubstantiation. Likewise so called Sacraental theology is post apostolic too. We find it several hundred years after the time of the apostles. As for apostolic succession. None of the list have the same exact order and even contradict one another. The very first list has Linus as first bishop of Rome and not Peter. Thats overlooked by the RCC .
I own and read the writings of Hodge & Warfield. I have studied Presbyterianism, Baptist and Anglicanism, Lutheranism and Methodist , CT and Dispensationalism. I also studied Roman Catholicism. I have had the same general doctrinal beliefs for the past 20 years. :) I am considered Calvinistic and dispensational.
It is no clearer than Isaiah 26:19-21 and
Luk 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
Why pray for myself to be worthy of something that is not going to happen?
Ist Thess.
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the lord.
The last time I read the church fathers they were not modern Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox or Protestant. The church fathers were divided on issues today as present day Christians are. No one has a 100 % doctrinal line by line agreement with them. They did not have that with one another either. Covenant Theology itself was not held by the first generation of reformers. :) It was formulated later on by 2nd and 3rd generation reformers. I dont find it in Institutes of the Christian Religion.
Is 1948...the “Reestablishment” of Israel a coincidence?
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Every one whoever got right with God. did it by doing what God said, He told Noah to build a ark and he would be saved.He told Moses and the Jews to keep the law. are we to preach- teach salvation thru boat building......and keeping the law? Now He tells us believe in my Son Jesus Christ....and thou shalt be saved! That's three dispensation right there.
@tonyteb, Read the last verse. Verse 6. Also, what Bible are you reading if I may ask?
You mention the blessed hope--the glorious appearance (Gk: apiphaneia) of our great God and Savior. Paul uses the same word and Parousia in 2 Thes 2:8 that will kill the man of lawlessness, and Paul uses Parousia to refer to the "catching away" at Christ's coming (parousia) in 1 Thes 4:15-16. So, it's all the same event to Paul. Nowhere is there such a thing as a 7 year tribulation. There is an inter-advental tribulation that the NT speak of and it's obviously going on right now.
Dispensationalism now and forever. We were shrinking for a while but we are making a huge comeback on the web with a lot of youth which is great!! A new tide is rising of young dispensationalists in the information age. God is good.
Amen!
Yes the youth are easy to fool into believing dispensationalism. I hope you stop teaching such an unbiblical thing
As a youth, c.1970s, I got swept up in the dispensationalism of that time, having no other end times teaching offered by my Arminian Baptist church, as a counter-balance. Dispensationalism was the sensational teaching of the day, and par for the course.
Thank God, tho, that he relieved me of such an unbiblical-burden and led me into his truth.
@@PeterLJohnson55 yeah it’s scary when the first teaching you are told is dispensationalism because it’s the only thing you know! I think that is why so many people are fooled. My mom is going to Bible study where the teacher is putting this in her head and she really believes it. She has been a christian a long time and this was never her belief until recently. I have told her this isn’t true, but she will tell my family members they will be raptured before anything bad happens in a super cocky way. Like we are untouchable... doesn’t want to believe we will go through trib if it happens in our lifetimes... thinks I want to believe in something so negative when I obviously DONT want to have to go through trib, but it’s what the Bible says! I’ve debated her and pointed out obvious facts of what scripture says. She can’t hear because she really doesn’t want it to be true, and her faith is in the study teacher instead of scripture.
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Pray the Lord to lead your Mum into HIS truth for he is our joy and comfort no matter what happens around about us in this perverse world. Peace be with you.
Amen! Israel is not a nation state but people of the Spirit
The fact that people come from the tribes/lineage doesn't mean that they even were natural branches, they're the elect, those who took to the Holy Spirit naturally
yqa free, Augustine codified the false teaching that the church is “spiritual Israel” then the Catholic church enforced it, and that has filtered into many churches that split from them. But Romans 11 clearly shows that God still has a plan for Israel that’s distinct from the church, and we see the physical split at the 6th Seal Rapture not very long before the time of Jacob’s trouble starts on earth while the church celebrates their entry into heaven.
@@biblehistoryscience3530 I've found the entire grammar to be fairly off throughout the entire biblical studies I've done, I will simply say I disagree with you over this matter
Great topic of discussion👍Darby however didn’t invent dispensationalism,there were dispensationalists before Darby. Also the one new man was formed at Pentecost.Israel will be restored as a saved nation though at the end of the tribulation,because blindness in PART has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.The church however will not go through the tribulation,we will be evacuated to the Father’s house in Heaven before the time of Jacob’s Trouble begins.
@markporter-thechurchhistor6784 - interested in knowing who they were and what they wrote and where can the average Christian read and examine these pre-Darby dispensationalists. Until then, maybe it is best to err on the side of the available evidence and say Darby is the fount of the dispensational distinction of Israel and the Church and the pretribulation rapture.
@@BibleAnswerMan Hi BAM thanks for responding to my comment👍Some of those Dispensationalists before Darby were of course Pierre Poiret 1646 and John Edwards 1639 etc… But we can see elements of Dispensational teaching throughout church history.For example,it was some of the old Puritans,based on there interpretation of the Old Testament prophetic Scriptures,that started to see the restoration of the Jewish people to there ancient homeland.These included,Peter bulkley and John Cotton etc…Of course for about the first 300 years the church was pre Millennial in her teaching;for example,Justin Martyr in the 2nd century. Victorinus,in the 3rd century believed in a pre Tribulational rapture. Irenaeus in the 2nd century believed that Daniels 70th week awaited a future fulfilment and that Antichrist would sit in the Temple in Jerusalem.Moreover,a two stage second coming of Christ is not unique to pre tribulationist’s.Many Historist post tribulationist’s believed in a two stage pre conflagration second coming of Christ,at the end of the Tribulation,based on there interpretation of 2 Peter 3:10;Joseph Mede for example.But the first Dispensationalists were of course Jesus and the Apostles;Lord will you at this time restore the Kingdom to Israel? It is not for you to know times or seasons that the Father has put in His own Authority.Some books that I would recommend if you haven’t already come across them,are,Dispensationalism before Darby by W.C.Watson,Ancient Dispensational truth by J.C.Morris and John Nelson Darby,precious truths revived and defended volume one,by R.A.Huebner👍
@@markporter-thechurchhistor6784 i used to do to a brethren assembly and I know for a fact that JN Darby did start dispensationalism. It has no historical support in the Christian church. 7 different gospels, Jesus coming back twice, pre-tribulation rapture . Come on its just complete and utter rubbish. The warning applies in galatians 1.8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
@tonyteb, There is a gap between the crucifixion and the begginning of the tribulation. Listen to the passage:
And after the sixty-two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, and shall have nothing; and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with an overflow, and unto the END OF THE WAR, --DESOLATIONS ARE DETERMINED. This proves that after the destruction of the temple in AD 70, Desolations (wars) are determined. That's a gap
The Church is grafted into the Vine
@tonyteb, "Blessed and holy he who has part in the first resurrection: over these the second death has no power; but they shall be priests of God and of the Christ, and shall reign with him a THOUSAND YEARS"
Those verse are Revelation 20: 7-8
I think i would assume that history is written by the victors. It doesn't mean that it is accurate. Solomon was the wisest man who ever lived and yet when he died his kingdom was divided. It was as if no one learned anything from him. There were silly ideas popping up in the church even at the time of Paul within the churches that Paul founded. Much of the new testament is Paul trying to get rid of these errors. It was and continued to be a problem.
Gal 1:10 For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.
2Co 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
1Ti 6:3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
Dispensationalism, unknown for 1800 years?
An unGodly message, by unGodly men.
Look into the history of these unGodly men.
God bless.
We are all saved through repentance and faith in Christ regardless of being Jew or Gentile. There has always been only one way of salvation. Hank says "Ideas have consequences." The consequence of his belief system is there is no significance whatsoever of Israel becoming a nation again in 1948. It means if Iran and its proxies blow Israel off the map, who cares? Since all promises were fulfilled by the church anyway. This has resulted in anti-semitism in the church throughout the centuries.
Great video!
Was the book of Revelation written in 90 AD.? If so all of the events cannot be applied to a 70 ad. Crisis!!
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Esther was a Jew because she was part of the people that belonged to the kingdom of Judah. She was specifically a Benjamite, but was born and bred a Jew like any other in her day.
@Nashhinton christ time why is there a gap how do you do that as someone who interpets literal
@Nashhinton actually as a former futerist the preterist makes the most sence how do you take this generation
We (non-Jews) are grafted into the same branch which the Jews are grafted into (Rom 11:13:25)
BT3701, and verses 25-26 says Israel is hardened UNTIL the fullness of the Gentiles comes in, and in this way all Israel shall be saved, which is seen being fulfilled at the 6th Seal Rapture.
Presbyterianism and Anglicanism came out of the Western Church and in this sense shares it's history. The real sect of the RCC and Eastern Orthodox who not only separated from each other but from other Christians too.As long as any christian church embraces the creeds of the church there is no problem with them. The Christian church is part of the Kingdom of God but it is not the only part of it. The Kingdom of God is the sphere of salvation it includes all those born of God / the elect.
@tonyteb, No. There are no demons on the earth during the millenium. Only good angels will be there. Also, people who are believers that die during the millenium will most likely change into an immortal body instantly- In a flash and a twinkling of an eye. Does that make sense to you?
Do a search on, "Genesis of Dispensational Theology" to find out how it started.
Wrong again. You don't know history; you only peddle the talking points which is foolish!
***** Quit your whimpering and whining willie. Look at your incendiary posts. You brought all of this on yourself.
@Donna Teeter yes and then search your Bible for proof of dispensationalism. You won’t find any
There is nothing distinctively Covenant Theology in what you stated. The issue of preterism & amillennialism is outside the range of CT. That relates to eschatology only. The issue of " replacement theoogy " is related but in itself is not CT unless it holds to other aspects that are essential to CT. CT is much more involved than what you said. Your statements of the covenants are more closer to dispensationalism.
We have not always lived in the "LATTER DAYS" just in the last century or so, so Darby and all the other writers have nothing to do with scriptures..
There's a huge difference between "Not all Israel is Israel" being a statement that "not all Jews are elect" and it being a statement that "the Church is the true Israel." This guy would have problems with many Old Testament prophecies, as all amillennialists do. What about the promise to David that he will have a descendant on the throne of Israel forever? Don't give me this "That's the throne of our hearts" crap either. What about Isaiah 27:12, which promises Israel's borders to be from the brook of Egypt to the Euphrates? This passage was written in the 7th century B.C., long after Solomon had jurisdiction over that territory. That has to be a future prophecy. The same goes for Ezekiel 38-39, which has nothing in the past correspond to it. If Ezekiel 38-39 is future, then it makes sense that Ezekiel 37 is future as well, and that chapter refers to the restoration of Israel. Or what about Daniel 9:24-27, which will only be completed when finish transgression (hasn't happened yet), put an end of sin (hasn't happened yet), atone for iniquity (has happened), bring everlasting righteousness (hasn't happened yet), seal up vision and prophecy (has happened for the Church, but will occur for Israel later), and anoint the most holy place (hasn't happened yet). Also, notice that Daniel 9:24 starts out with a promise to Daniel's people (ISRAEL) and Daniel's city (JERUSALEM). Amillennialists have a hard time with the Old Testament. That's probably why they never preach out of it.
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Is dispensation in the Bible?
it,s much better to listen to for exemple dr Mark Hichcock, who won a debate with Hank on his book Apocalipse Code
This guy should have been a bussiness man not a Bible teacher
@tonyteb, I just got blocked by William Tapley-- "third eagle of the apocalypse". I was just having a conversation with him about the similarities between the 12th Imam and the antichrist, and he WENT BESERK! I just thought I might tell you that.
No they are not. None of their standard theological authorized theology books on this teaches it at all. They dont teach the concepts of Covenant of Works, Covenant of grace or Covenant of Redemption. The RCC is modified Semi Pelagian in their soteriology. This is directly linked to the 2nd and 3rd generation of reformers. Your claim is almost as bad as saying that Lutherans and Methodist hold to it when they do not. It is safe to say covenant theology was unknown itself in the early church. :)
ONE called out assembly at a time. First the 12 tribes if Israel. The Messiah came to them alone. They killed their Messiah. Next or number 2 the Gentiles and Jews who believed in Jesus. But when the time of Gentiles is completed God goes back and Jesus the Messiah rules over Israel alone for 1000 years. One group at a time but there certainly are TWO groups, couldn't be any plainer.
Need more volume.
Well, of course everyone claims they are following the apostles but they can't all be. "Early church fathers" i assume you are referring to history not scripture? It has nothing to do with the gospel. It has to do with biblical history. All groups who believe the gospel are saved.
If you don't believe in dispensations... maybe you should get rid of your Social Insurance Number that allows you to buy and sell and work.... you wouldn't want to carry the mark of the beast after all....
Is it "heretical insanity" to take at face value the introduction of 1 Peter? I don't see how. If you dad tells you to cut the lawn and your brother to study for his test and he comes home and you have switched roles... he is going to wonder why you are studying for your brothers test. There might be some problems with doing that in regards to the bible as well. It doesn't make me akin to Joho's. It means i paid some attention that is all.
3yrs. Ago.
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Most early church fathers did not speak on that issue. Very few did. And this makes it true ? I dont think so. No one today has worship in exactly the same manner as the early church fathers. Try reading History Of The Christian Church by Philip Schaff. His work would correct much of the errors you claim and present things in a fair manner.
In my four decades of biblical research I personally feel that dispensationalism is the correct view. Hank is a sound teacher but I feel he is wrong by rejecting this system of thought.
Jeff Klock Very true. In this age of grace God is calling out from both the Jew and gentile a people for His name ( the church). On a broader plain, all of God's saints are one, i . e. old testament saints and new testament saints.
Randy Pacchioli I only see two ages mentioned by Jesus and taught in scripture. Where's the gap?
***** Dr. Lewis Sperry Chafer's monumental work - 8 volume Systematic Theology - is the magna opus when dealing with this subject matter. God bless my friend.
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Check out Hank's book - AfterLife. It contains solid biblical teachings on what happens after death.
I would not interpret as dispensation; but administration of God's Progressively revealing grace through a spiritual Saviour and not a political Saviour, ( as revealed in OT typology and NT fulfillment) , towards it's final conclusion of victory over sin - not victory over political oppression as the Pharisees thought.
It doesn't matter what Darby or Ryrie said. What matters is . . . If you cut off literal Israel in Romans 9 (Paul says, "My countrymen- no way you can get out of it- it is Israel the nation), when God says He will graft them in again, you can't say its the Church because God never cut off the Church. And He never will. Hebrews 13:5. It is Israel that is cut off. And so all Israel will be engrafted/saved. Does she have a destiny that is separate from the Church. Yes. Is she a part of the People of God? Sure. But . . . She gets cut off and then redeemed in Romans 11. You can't say that about the Church. You can't have it both ways. Stop hiding behind your "one people of God" argument - it means what the Scripture makes it mean, not what you or I think it should mean. Once again, trace the Greek nouns and pronouns referring to Israel from Romans 9:1 to the end of chapter 11, and you will realize that you have to change your theology. An addendum: What is all this "secret rapture" stuff? Nobody I know thinks that. How would you keep the Rapture of the Church secret? It's a silly notion put forth by somebody in a weak moment and repeated by no one I know.
@granthodges3012 Whether Romans 11 teachers there would be a mass conversion of Jews in the future is debatable. See th-cam.com/video/ogvqgFnrzas/w-d-xo.html
Even so, Romans 11 never gets us a pretribulation rapture, i.e., the idea that God is going to remove the Church from the Earth before the start of a future seven-year Great Tribulation that ends with Jesus' Second Coming and the start of the Millennium.
@@BibleAnswerMan You completely ignored what I told you. You just snapped right back into your usual litany.
God spares a remnant in every generation. All who are truely born again believers are part of one body who is Christ under this new covenant! We also can read in Isaiah 24 that few will make it through this time, but some are spared. Isaiah 25:6-10 speaks of the Eschaton for all nations who believe (true Israel) God has had one plan for one people from the beggining starting with Messiah to fulfill the nation of Israel thus bringing in the world to this Abraham, Isaac, Jacob promise. It's not a natural seed, but a spiritual seed of regeneration and a people of faith! Only believers in Christ will be in the new Jerusalem which is the true church of God which has been growing for the past 2,000 years! The nation of Israel is just like any other nation in this planet. We all need Christ and your either for him or against him bottom line! Regenerated or unregenerated
@@MarkCurtis-eh3ue It is not possible for the Church to fulfill Romans 11. Read it. substitute the Church for the pronouns and nouns referring to Israel. Then change your mind.
@@granthodges3012 after Christ's fulfillment of the cross and his ascension, Israel is now like any other nation on this planet. Yes they are a special nation for the fact that they were chosen to bring God's glory to the nations and they brought forth Messiah, and were given the "marriage betrothal" but today, what is the significance of the "Nation" of Israel" what now are they to do? They need the same salvation that all nations need to be brought into the body of Christ! God's plan of bringing salvation into this world has been done, now all that's left is his return and consummation of the new heavens and Earth! This will be centered around Jerusalem as it is God's holy city and the epicenter! Satan will go after the Nation, and also all who believe in Christ! We now reign with Christ and are the temple as Christ is he is the chief cornerstone of this temple! Israel the Nation has been partially blinded until the fullness of the gentiles come in, not all, only those who will believe! Messianic Jews! God spares a remnant in every generation! The point of the 12 was to start the new plan of God under the new covenant (the church) as we know Paul was chosen to being this good news to the gentiles to graft them into the olive tree which is True "spiritual" Israel if you will. What value is the nation of Israel today? They aren't replaced, they are fulfilled. The old covenant is obsolete and fulfilled in Christ!
(cont) The purpose of the Great tribulation is to punish the Jewish and Gentile unbelievers and allow them to have a second chance to choose the real Messiah. Of course, deception and evil will be rampant across the earth during the tribulation. Both God and Satan will be competing for souls in a competition. Most people will follow satan sadly. Yet at the end of the tribulation, God will destroy the wicked, and the martyred believers will experience 1000 years of peace. Satan will be bound.
@Nashhinton i belive we will all be changed but i dont belive in the tribulation in the same way you do
@Nashhinton i thought you take things literalyyou seem to put gaps were you need them what about the gospel to be preached to the whole world then the end will come what do you do with that
So Bijbelonderzoek has right in this part. The despesation is a replacement from Scofield and is not from God.
"A chosen people, royal priesthood, a holy nation" The book of 1 Peter is of course written to the dispersed Jews. Not to gentiles. He uses that language because he is writing to the jews. Not really helping your argument there Hank.
Of course the church first started with Jewish converts at the Day of Pentacost, during the first christian persecution they fled Jerusalem to spread the gospel. 1 Peter is New Testament cannon applies to all Christians whether Jew or Gentile.
Dispensationalism has always been in the bible, catching away of the Church, was not preached, until the last 50/75 years, because in our generation, all the latter day signs have been revealed of the soon coming of Christ; all past so called Church Fathers lived before electrical power/bulbs was invented, how would they know such ? Daniel said: knowledge shall be increased, many shall run to and fro; mass rapid transportation, knowledge explosion in the last 75 years; jet age, nuclear. etc.
1Corinthians 1:19-20.
A majority of the church fathers were not systematic theologians. So please dont pretend that they were nor were they infallible in teaching. Truth is determined by Scripture. If we use your standard than Roman Catholicism is false too. Yet you will not place that standard on yourself.
The covenants you listed are held by dispensationalist. Guess you never knew that. The debate is it's specific fulfilllment to the milennial kingdom. CT holds to the Covenant of Works, Covenant of Grace and Covenant of Redemption. My Roman Catholic theology books nor Lutheran Systematic Theology books contains nothing of CT. You made a claim that you cant prove at all. Yet shifting the burden of proof to me ? Unreal !
Hey Hank, you're good friends will not be there when you stand before the Lord. You might want to call it what it is, no matter what your friends think.
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