Which Pokémon is the BEST in Melee?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 มี.ค. 2023
- Yeah yeah I know what you're gonna say: "Copperhead sold his soul to the ranking video devil and now he's only gonna do ranking videos forever!" Well, joke's on you because I ENJOYED making this ranking video.
I've had this idea for a long time and I actually started making it like half a year ago and gave up. I resumed my work and realized that Odyssey Central uploaded basically the exact video but for Ultimate. Oh well.
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An awesome video to wake up to! :)
Shid I mean I've never heard of your channel and this still popped up on my recommended so it worked TBH
Also damn nice video
Hey, cool video, but possibly consider a warning or something at part 10:17 when its showing zapdos's attack hitbox, its pretty flashy.
I didn't see it at release but cheers anyway cunt
Playing with Pokéballs on, toggled to the maximum quantity was always the most fun way to play as a kid with my brother and cousins. So fun and chaotic. Porygon was definitely the best one lol.
I also used to do that in both N64 Smash and Melee! When I was bored by myself, I used to play a team match as Pikachu (my favorite character) with two other Pikachus as teammates with 99 stocks vs a single Jigglypuff CPU on level 1 on the Mushroom Kingdom stage with Pokéballs as the only item on at maximum spawn rate. (I used to really dislike Jigglypuff back then lol!) The whole chaotic match lasted like an hour and I racked up a lot of vs mode play time which also unlocked other stuff in the game. Good times. 😊
Eveyone who didn't do this as a kid is a freaking loser.
Melee 99 lives super sudden death mode 4 players small stage high item frequency poke balls only
I always liked to play Super Sudden Death with Bob-Ombs set to High. Self destructs were...frequent.
A game mode I liked playing with a friend was super sudden death mode and max items with only red shells...nowhere is safe.
One thing to add to Clefairy's selfdestruct is that it doesn't hurt the person that got Clefariy.
How did I not notice that? Thanks!
The developers decided this mechanic After a brawl in the office, with 5 people injured and 1 dead. After this accident, they wanted to finish developing the game as fast as they could, that's how melee was born and that's why we have Roy and Game & Watch ad low tiers.
You have to believe what I Just wrote
Respect for the insane amount of footage collected for very specific situations
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I swear I once heard as a kid that Goldeen could rarely use Horn Drill for a one-hit KO. I never saw it but that's always my first thought whenever Goldeen is summoned.
I don't know what it was about Melee but there were TONS of playground rumors like that for this game. Especially online. Can't tell you how many fake characters or weird non-consequential rumors I saw on the net back in the day.
I heard that Goldeen in Brawl would use Imprison if it entered water and freeze (disable controls, not literally freeze) everyone else on stage. Imagine my disappointment when I finally pulled it off...
I feel like that's what the description for its trophy where mentioned Horn drill but, yeah I do remember seeing that info probably from the trophy description I mentioned. It's been 2 years since I've been on Melee
As a kid, I could have sworn this was the case. It came out, I heard the critical hit sound, and I flew off the stage. I told everyone about it because I was so excited to find it out. Looking back on it, I was probably hit with Ness’s bat or a Jigglypuff Rest, but six-year-old me didn’t realize it.
I can imagine some kid purposely spreading this fake info as a way of playing mindgames with his friends.
more casual-focused melee videos are genuinely a great idea, the content around the game is so hyperfocused on the competitive aspect (for good reasons), so i think ppl forget abt the amount of variety this game had to offer
Very true
comp players: "what do you mean this party game has a party game in it"
As someone who played it casually a lot (and there are many of us!) this popped up in my feed and I’d never watched the channel before, so yeah it works
and the modern games are even better on that aspect so naturally we want to see content on those too
I agree. It's a party game first and I still occasionally play with items with friends.
even the easiest to dodge pokemon are still useful, taking options away from your opponent is always good. if you play a character with a strong aerial the next time you get something like marill as soon as its about to hit them jump and do the strong aerial, they either jump into it to avoid the marill, shield to block the marill and wont be able to punish you or they just get hit by the marill and obviously cant punish and you can try to combo off that.
It’s like what Alpharad said when he ranked all of Ultimate’s Pokémon, more specifically Abomasnow:
The fact that you can avoid it doesn’t make it bad, the fact that you HAVE to avoid it makes it good.
Never thought I'd hear of a situation where Tackle is the strongest move in the game
Tackle Is great in real Life too, way stronger than razor leaf or bubblebeam!
"lugia is guaranteed to KO when it hits" being said while it's hitting someone that it doesn't KO is... an interesting editing choice
I think he meant lugia’s projectile, not its body hitbox. But yeah.
I mean Ness is getting KO’d in the clip
@@sethstoll8525 I think you mean
Aeroblast?
@@akihiko4346🤓
Ness got KO’d tho? It may’ve cut off a bit fast but ness got star ko’d
I'm glad I clicked on this video, very high quality and I appreciate that you don't go overboard with the "meme" style editing that a lot of other channels do.
Thanks! Memes must be used in moderation 🤌
I always felt Ho-Oh and Lugia were the two best Pokémon in Melee (along with Raikou), because of their huge hitboxes and insane KO potential, either during the move or afterwards. And if I had to pick a single best Pokémon, it would be Lugia definitely.
1:42 Based for remembering Bonus Mode exists. I wish there was more love for stuff like Bonus Mode, Coin Mode, Stamina Mode & Single Button Mode, but those first two especially.
Anyway, very interesting analysis video! Thanks for uploading!
Future video idea?
@@CopperScott Potentially? Your call!
in every smash game, having pokeballs (and assist trophies by extension), is always a blast. It changes the game up in a radically different way, where now you have an extra threat to work around in creative ways. I think Ultimate has the best balance of pokemon. Each one does great damage, but there attacks are limited in just such a way that they can be dodged if you know what you're doing.
Cept Kyogre still.
I actually went into this video expecting to disagree with a bunch of the choices thinking they would be pretty biased or misplaced verdicts, but I literally agree with every placement on here bro. We all know how oppinionated and toxic some of us in the smash community are, so it is not only a surprise that I agree, but like, almost all the other commenters do too. Seriously a miracle lol
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Hopefully I can be counted amongst the Good Kiddos Club someday! :^)
More of these please
This video was recommended to me and I liked it so much that I checked out some of your other content and it was also great! I really encourage you to keep making videos :) always amazing to see new channels making melee content like this!
also, and im just assuming based on the captions in your last video, if this is your first time recording lines for a video, you did a really good job with them!
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed and checked out my stuff :)
I really appreciate the lack of needless fluff in this video. Entertaining and informative. Good work
This video needed to exist! Of course we played a lot with the High ratio items and only poke balls!
I've been playing Melee since late 2004. With that, I've gotten somewhat attached to the dozens of Poké Ball Pokémon.
Porygon2 isn't who I'd consider the strongest Pokémon in SSBM, but he comes terrifyingly close. Getting hit by him does a tremendous amount of knockback! I'd slot Lugia as the strongest one; getting hit while he's onstage does crazy knockback, and the ensuing Aeroblast move does even more damage, combos around, and inevitably KOs anyone.
Incidentally, my favorite Poké Ball Pokémon here is Zapdos. His Thundershock technique won't KO anyone, but taking up to 81% damage isn't so shabby! What's more, Zapdos himself looks nice in 3D with his paper-thin wings.
Nice video!
I appreciate this style of video! Good job on it, dude.
Really enjoyed the video! I also liked to hear your commentary, especially regarding Marill
Marill is the cutest Melee character prove us wrong 😤
This was really fun, although I think you're undervaluing Suicune. Taking up enormous parts of the stage is incredibly good in any context. It's nice to see people making videos about this game that aren't yet another TAS frame-by-frame analysis of some pro players chaingrabbing each other.
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I loved the Pokémon event matches. Cool to see discussion and ranking of the melee Pokémon, def enjoyed
Banger choices for the background music throughout whole video 👌
I'm glad you could hear it! I gotta work on mixing audio lmao
I have been waiting for a video on this topic for the longest time
Finally, a tierlist that matters.
This tires definitely exits
@@CopperScott a skilled chikorita is as good as any porygon2
love that someone made a video like this
Playing with my brother the other day we were both on last stock and he threw a ball at me. Caught it and threw it back knocking him off the ledge but the ball fell on the stage. Scissor got him on the ledge grab attempt
Oh wow! It's awesome to see this show up in my recommendations. Great idea. Curious about where the Pokemon would rank in the other Smash Bros games.
Perhaps I'm working on it. Perhaps not. You can prove nothing.
Ah, fresh Copperhead content is always a treat
this is so fun. great job man.
we used to have pokefests back in the day.
I believe lugias move is aeroblast, just thought I’d say since you had every other move named. Great vid!
Wake up lads
Copperhead uploaded
So the morning upload worked, I see
The video we were waiting for 2 decades
back in the day my friends and i would occasionally play with items on just to spice things up and it was always a good time. i remember a lot of Bellossom and Scizor
Scizor is my favorite Pokémon of all time due to him being in melee when I was a kid and loved it when he got stocks. Happy to see him really high up, solid tier list as well.
Something i love about pokemon specifically as an item is stage control. Even if it wont hit, it will change where your opponent can go and you call them out for it. Like how reflectors arent used loads, partly because the opponent uses less projectiles to avoid them but that weakens their character overall. Its just something i find interesting
Exactly. This is why it's actually kind of tough to rank Pokémon, since they all affect stage control in different ways that aren't so easy to see.
Dont know why you dont have that many subscribers. Love your videos.
Thanks. If I had to put a number to it, I think I deserve ten billion subscribers
You, sir, are a legend for going through this for three months straight.
Banger and correct though I'd place lugia over most the other legendaries
I haven't thrown a melee pokeball in a decade, but I still knew what was in the final slot by process of elimination. Will melees grip eternally hold its grasp over me?
Yes. Yes it will
I was checking your channel a few days ago, and you just uploaded.
Really nice video, i can tell you put a lot of effort into it
Thanks!
Nice video, however I'm surprised that you didn't choose Lugia as the best Pokémon, you said it's a guaranteed KO if it hits. A guaranteed KO, longer duration, bigger hitbox and also a very wildly moving hitbox which is difficult to avoid and covering more space makes it a lot better than Porygon in my opinion, not even close.
I agree! I always thought Ho-Oh and Lugia were the two best Pokémon in Melee (along with Raikou), because of their huge hitboxes and insane KO potential, either during or after their attack landing.
In the context of a regular 1 vs 1 with few items and Pokeballs turned on (his extremely unrealistic criteria), they are probably easier to predict and avoid.
Man, it was so crazy. I had a strategy guide for Melee as a kid (bought it to figure out how to unlock all the characters and stages and stuff, etc.) and they had a Pokemon list and ditto was included. I must've played the game for hundreds of hours or something and never encountered Ditto once, and as a kid I always fuckin' wondered about that. Not making it into the game but making it into a fucking strategy guide item list is pretty hilarious.
finaly, a video on casual melee
My favorite Pokémon is Porygon-Z, so this makes me so happy!!
Now this, this, is the random TH-cam video I need to watch today. Thanks in advance.
I hope I delivered
@@CopperScott It was great. Hard work!
This is the most helpful melee video I have ever watched
Now you can win tournaments!
This is what I needed in my life
more content like this pls, we need more variety in melee content
Gave you a like for the outro, that was surprisingly hilarious.
Thank you it came from my brain
I think Scizor is the best. If you're playing on a tournament legal stage I could see Porygon 2 being the best, but Scizor is fast, unpredictable, and has great kill potential. He has more kill potential than the legendaries, and is more difficult to avoid. Maybe I'm just too used to playing on Temple tho.
6:54 It's so funny seeing the Fly Guys get smacked in mass and fly into the screen lol
Loved this video!
As someone who regularly play with items and advanced tech on a moderately high level I'd definately rank scizor at least top 5 as I'm pretty sure it does follow the opponent and kills more often than not if it hits. Also I'd put venasaur at top 3 that thing is a menace as it does also hit on platforms above it granting instant stage controll for the owner.
That being said, amazing video and topic, very well put together. I also loved the examples you showed while talking about certain scenarios. Thanks for making this!
Ooh, interesting takes. A lot of the rankings were so close that it was hard to place them. Glad you enjoyed!
I wanted to leave a comment to let you know that I truly enjoyed this video. Thank you.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Great video!
Grazie amica
Great video, but I have some notes on your tierlist:
- You mention that knowing how to di makes some pokemon better or worse (weezing). I think this tiertlist is decided for the casual audience? A 'competitive' pokemon tier list (meaning, people who actually know how to di and such) could be different.
- Character usage in casual is probably more diverse than competitive, which probably means that there are less spacies and more floaties (a lot of kirby for example). This changes some of the power of the pokemon since the combo potential is less.
- Also I think this list is based on 1v1? Playing with 4 people can also affect the power of certain pokemon.
- I assume that in your testing you had a bias for playing on certain stages. I see the legal stages a lot, and not many 'big stages' (fourside, hyrule). Pokemon that follow the opponent will be stronger in bigger stages I think.
- As mentioned by other commenters, I think you underestimate the power of NEEDING to dodge a pokemon, otherwise you would get hit by the opponent.Taklng optionsaway is strong.
- also where are pichu, Pikachu, jigglypuff and mewtwo ;)
Damn, now i want to see this with every smash game
Great video my guy!
I'm new to the channel, so just wondering, will you be ranking the Pokemon in all the other Smash Bros or will it be only Melee?
Thanks! I don't plan on ranking Pokémon from other Smash games any time soon. My interests are in Melee right now.
@@CopperScott no worries. Alot of Melee content to cover. I can't wait to see your future videos!
1:43 really glad you mentioned this, bonus mode needs more love and attention
I've played coin battle many a time and didn't even remember bonus mode was a thing.
Shadows of Valentina ost is sick, keep adding it in ur vids
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WOW what a great video! I can't believe I've never seen your channel before
Welcome to the Coppertrain my boy
This was fun!
i hope to see a future video like this for ultimate
This is the answer we always needed
I appreciate it being straight to the point. Very rare nowadays.
Years of getting points off of essays due to not reaching the word count led to this
Melee Pokémon were the most chaotic but the most fun. I especially miss the legendary dogs and Unown.
Thanks for the video
Aaa nostalgic I love the Pokémons in Melee. Now either my memory don´t serve me well or there is a difficulty diffrence between regions becuse I remember Moltres sure dose a lot of damage but I am sure I have been above it but not knocked out that often, mostly hit up and to either direction still able to recover. Same with a lot of things here, it seemed like your game it is easier to get knocked away. Porygon 2 I remember fearly easy to recover from and not that strong as you showed it here.
So now I am curious. I have to boot up my old console and give it a go.
Personally I think you down play the easy to avoid Pokémon. Those Pokémon essentially cut off a portion of the stage for the opponent which can be useful for A. Getting more pokemon. B. Charge Specials like Samus' Charge Blast or C. Stall.
I didn't know I needed this in my life. Now do one for Smash Bros 64!
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This takes me back to gen 2 pokemon.
Hey just wanted to point out something you missed. AFTER Porygon 2's Tackle, if you're within the radius of the dimension door that it leaves through, it will take you into the alternate dimension and you will immediately die. It's extremely rare that this will ever happen due to the person you're fighting being on the opposite side of the map, but I've been in 4-player matches where a 3rd player knocked a 4th player into the Porygon 2's dimension door, which is how I know this. Otherwise, great video.
PS: it may take a few attempts to replicate as you'll need to avoid Porygon 2's hitbox while attempting to execute this.
My friend did that it was awesome he goes to another school though
Love this!
Now we need to get a tier list for those crystal trophies!
Link and Young Link's passive shields protect them from Blastoise's Hydro Pumps, Staryu's Swift and Chikorita's Razor Leaves (they have to be crouching to protect themselves from the latter).
Im getting nostalgia from the legendary Pokémon event match watching this.
And of course I remember Wobbufett in that mode more than the legendaries.
Throwing electrode is something my friend told me when I was 12. I then proceeded to die to every electrode that I saw when we played together. It was after months (and me finally giving up) that he revealed the secret (by killing me with it ofc): you can only pick it up near the end of the animation :^)
Lolll it's so tempting to go for
Cool list
Cool comment
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This vids gonna do well
Your faith is appreciated
The Fire Emblem music alone gets a sub from me my man
SoV is amazing
Nice vid, guess I gotta go play with items now
this was great please do the other games poke ball pokemon ranked
Great vid, as a casual fan, I only have one complaint: missed opportunity to say it's "Porygon-too-late"
I can't even remember the last time I used an item in a round of smash bros. My friends and I always play with tournament rules so it's been a while.
This was such a fun vid! I think this is the first time I’ve ever heard an adult use the word ginormous
I'm baby
This was fun, you could do one for each game
Cool video
The Number 1 spot was called the PokéDevil by my friend, when he played Melee.
Pokemon and items in general become relevant competitively in the Iron Man format. At least the one I would see Mang0 and Axe play on for awhile. Always fun watching pros destroy each other with their non mains and playing on banned stages and using items along with their tech skills they’ve developed for many years.
would love to pokemon rankings for the other smashes
Me and my brother would literally have pokemon battles by picking a side of the stage and whoever was on the side it lands on could use it
...until we got bored and went by whoever gets it first rules the stage
Porygon2 also has a neato despawn animation so bonus points for that.
Luigi’s kick at the end was the best
11:31 BASED background music
BRO that song can bring me to tears
@@CopperScott Same it's SO GOOD
Cool vid
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