How Mario's Cape DOESN'T WORK Properly - Random Smash Ultimate Facts
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- Going over the weird way that Mario's Cape doesn't work as intended, probably! And other very interesting things! In Random fashion!
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Maybe the Ultimate Chimera thing is a remnant from Brawl? I remember it didn't have an instant KO property in that game and just dealt ridiculous knockback and damage, so they might have just slapped the instant KO property on the attack and forgot to remove the damage.
Maybe, but I thought it did 200% in Brawl.
Yeah it's absolutely a Brawl remnant
@@Gestersmek In that case, maybe they decided to go with 120 % first, and then decided for the instant-KO
@@Liggliluff Yeah, that's most likely what happened.
It is, it used to do 100% damage in Brawl (though sometimes it would hit twice for 200%). 120% is just 100% *1.2 for 1v1 mode. Test it with at least 3 fighters present and it only does 100%.
14:08 Why did Peach's percent go up when she ate the 2nd peach? Go frame by frame and you can see it go from 96 to 115.
wtf I didn't even notice that, that's crazy
@@Casual_PKBeats go recreate it!!
I've seen that before a lot, I think its fairly common. I don't know why, but it seems to happen when its not the first peach, not cause of the limit glitch
@@dippin4dots I'd guess it happens when you eat a 2nd healing item before the animation of a healing item finishes
3:00 Actually made me crack up liitle, the way mario runs over and punches luigi, runs back and thumbs up
XD Yesss
Petty sibling rivalry moment
About the thing with Mario's cape, grabs and pummels use a different internal command from other attacks to deal damage
They use a command called ATTACK_ABS (absolute) and all other attacks just use ATTACK, which is probably relevant as to why it doesn't trigger for those types of moves. As far as I know, bumpers, Ashley, and pitfalls probably also use this. And windboxes probably just don't do anything because they don't deal damage
Am I right in also thinking this could be a case of the knockback value being initialized to a dummy number and that's what cape is pulling from? Ideally it shouldn't have any knockback to begin with, but unlike windboxes (the other thing to not send into hitstun* [thank you]) it deals damage and the hitbox is "used" when an enemy hits it instead of being persistent. Maybe ATTACK_ABS just has some weird behavior when the knockback isn't properly set, like with the bumper.
@@WishMakers no it causes knockback, cape uses ATTACK, it's just. Very. Weird. Lol
@@WishMakers also windboxes do have knockback, they just don't deal damage,and their ATTACK script is set to not cause opponents to flinch
@@oni5213
Is there anything that resets the cape glitch?
@@redstonewarrior0152 idk, probably no
If you're down to revisit the egg lay thing, you could try it while having 7 Yoshis with you, so you can test it with more color options!
Thanks for the consistently extremely awesome and super cool content.
That's a great idea! ^^
And yeah, thanks a ton from me as well!
Here's a funny glitch :
With stage builder, put a cannon, get the opponent a lot of percent so Bayonetta's Witch Time lasts longer, and have the opponent go in the cannon while attacking, and counter the said attack with Witch Time before they get in.
What happens is that the opponent will get in the cannon while being slowed down, and the cannon will try and shoot them indefinitely, with the opponent never getting shot out until the slowdown effect runs out. Sad it doesn't last very long but it's a good ol' glitch :D
I think the "item limit" glitch is moreso an "entity limit" glitch. All games have (or should have) a cap on the number of entities that can be present at any given time, to prevent data loss or lag. 64 just happens to be a nice, easy number that is commonly used in programming for such things
Basically, what this means is that once the limit is reached, the game will refuse to create any more entities, to prevent potential errors. Older games didn't have this limit properly coded in, and that's why "entity overflow" glitches exist
The Yoshi egg thing also looks like overflow. Without getting too technical, computers keep track of the number of things, and they increase the number by simply adding to it. They do math the same way we do: add the digits in the 1's place. If it's more than 10, carry the one, etc. But they only have so many digits for the numbers, so if the sum gets too big, then the 1 doesn't carry. So you could get something like 99 + 1 = 00 for instance.
Computers use binary to store numbers, so they really like powers of 2. 64 is 2^6 or, in binary, 100 0000. Notice that this is a '1' with six 0's after it. Most glitches and hard-caps for numbers in games and other programs will hover around powers of 2 like this. Another common one is 256, which is 2^8.
@@theodoric4270 It wouldn't surprise me if Yoshi's egg lay move spawns an entity that the game has no contingency for, like the other moves- Sorta like the devs forgot to make a fallback, in case that happened
Wouldn't this mean that it would be fairly easy to hit that limit with 8 Steves?
@@nocturn333 No. Each Steve is capable of spawning 8 blocks, but they disappear very quickly. On top of that, the blocks don't have much extra function beyond being walls/floors/ceilings, so it's unlikely that they would do much, even if you did reach the limit
@@wildmonkeycar I think it could be the "egg break" visual effect that counts as an entity, which might require like a debris effect when spawning in
I somehow never noticed Ultimate Chimera actually does have a button on its back.
What is it like a robot?
@@cjlite0210 It's not a robot, but it does have an on/off switch.
The little bird on its head turns the switch back on if it gets turned off in Mother 3, but it doesn't do any of this in Smash.
Robin's Levin Sword and Tomes are probably separate articles that the game loads in and attaches to the correct model bone, kinda like Kirby's hammer, Mario's cape, and R.O.B's Gyro, which doesn't become an item until thrown/launched.
Nope, they're actually still parts of the model just like any other sword character. The anomaly for paint/metal effects is probably just because the port job of Robin from SSB4 to SSBU is a complete trainwreck.
They gave f!Robin m!Robin's old body model, and m!Robin gets a body model that is the same but somehow worse quality than the one from SSB4, so somehow the idea that they just forgot to put the right metal textures in isn't too farfetched to me.
@@nspade9252 I dunno if its still like this in Ultimate... but in _Brawl_ the game will crash if you try to load metal textures when not every material has them... its either all or nothing. I could be wrong though, ultimate doesn't use the same metal texture method that Brawl does.
I do not know if this will be seen. but I wanted to share a piece of trivia I have never seen before in an SSBU facts (I commented this on PJiiggles too since I love both you guys)
-Whenever redeeming an Amiibo, after naming it and choosing its alternate costume, and everything, it will bring you to an Amiibo page and do one of their taunts.
Except for one character, that being Snake. Since Snake's taunts are all the same, he will simply do his battle entrance animation
A question I had for the next facts video:
Can Ken’s final smash (the Shippu Jinraikyaku one) go through portals once he lands it?
I thought of this final smash specifically because ken carries his opponent so far, but it might work with other ones as well (if it works at all). Love the series and all your other vids, keep up the good work!
I just tried it myself because I was curious too. Apparently, you can actually send the opponent through the portal without Ken during the first part of the FS (with the first few kicks on the ground), which will actually cause it to not fully complete. Once the second part (where he starts to lift you off the ground) is locked in, however, it seems like portals stop having any effect on either character.
It’s amazing how the smash community are still finding little details like this despite it being out for years
Does Wario's Bike spawn at the item limit? And since Wario can eat the parts when the bike explodes, do they count as items too?
It'll be cool if you could disable the Ultimate Chimera for a bit by hitting the button on its back just like how it happens in Mother 3.
I guess Steve's blocks and TNT make sense as being items, since the rolling crate item is an item that players can stand on like a platform, and they even move with it, and there are items that can stay still (black hole, super launch star, bumper, etc) as well as items that can't be picked up, either by some players or in general (aforementioned items, healing field, Pyukumuku, etc)
Basically, Steve's blocks and TNT are the culmination of years of updating and developing items, using code that was already there to help advance the ability to place these blocks, and the blocks Steve places even disappear with a puff of smoke, just like regular items (the TNT of course explodes, but there's items that do that too)
That’s really interesting about the cape, but something that caught my eye is how the rotation appears to be kind of broken in and of itself. If you look at Ness, he gets rotated to look away from the camera when flipped, and then, over the course of 1 frame, snaps to looking towards the camera again. I think that might be due to how the Rot bone works, so perhaps the “knockback” of the cape isn’t actually knockback, but rather a manual shift of the Trans (position shifting) bone, which makes the cape thing a completely different flavor of glitch (oversight?)
ok but why would you do that ever
It's kinda strange hearing enthusiasm in your voice
Really?
I don't see any difference.....
And it's a pleasant surprise, in some videos he sounds a bit depressive
I like hearing him happy
I thought I was speaking the same way I always do here 🤔
He sounds fine to me
11:07 I love just seeing Robin raise their hand lol
I thought all final smashes remove items? I play eight player matches often with items and smash meter on, the final smashes have a habit of deleting items, even when they're in your hand
As a Mario player, this is actually useful if you get a shield break because time is essential. If you had a shield break without the glitch active, you would have to move forward each time to deal damage with cape. However, with the glitch active, you can kill any opponent at almost any percent with cape X times into forward smash because you have more time to use cape.
9:30
Quite accurate that Pyra's blade is a "part of their character" as she is a blade in xenoblade 2.
Just thought it was funny
I thought this was interesting, since Dr. Mario’s cape has a lot of push if you down throw an opponent and cape them immediately after. I wasn’t sure if this was normal, it’s the only time it happens.
I think the cape glitch could be caused by hitboxes themselves. Which would explain why windboxes and grabs don’t cause it.
I love the fact the “casual items only Smash player” has a lot more technical knowledge than pros do
the item limit thing would be super interesting and if you want to cover all of the characters you can just do like a speedrun of all the non interesting one by showing em all at once or just showing a quick list at the beginning and then showing us the characters with interesting changes.
A lot of Final Smashes cleanse the stage of items, and I think they all disappear any item that the user was holding. I haven't tested this thoroughly, but I've gotten into the habit of dropping any battering item I was holding before using a Final Smash if I wanted it to still be around when I was done. In Smash 4, most of the capturing ones cleansed the target of any transformations as well.
maybe the yoshi egg is an effect that turns into an instantly broken item at a certain point,, and because of the item cap being reached, won't allow the effect to turn it into an item, thus getting that infinite animation?
I don’t know if this has been featured in a video, but Mario’s cape also has a weird interaction with the slow-down clock. If your enemy is under the effect of the clock, and you throw your opponent followed up by cape, they fly upward. I remember specifically down air because it’s the easiest to land, but I think it applies to all throws.
Babe wake up, new PK Beats banger just dropped.
I didn’t even know Sun Salutation had a windbox.
Anyways, something about Mario’s F.L.U.D.D. (This is pretty old, so it might have been updated it patched out): it’s not really a single attack, but it functions as a stream of individual projectiles. You can see this if you use Palutena’s counter against it. Or if you use it midair while falling, and adjust the angle it downward while firing.
14:07 I'm pretty sure this happens for a lot of final smashes, actually, just speaking from anecdotal experience
Robin is such a poorly programmed mess, I love him so much.
You can survive sudden death forever on any stage by constantly taking turns using the sour spot of Luigi’s up-b to ascend. This is the holy Luigi Ladder. Great video by the way!
My guess about why Robin's weapons don't get covered is because they're separate models from the character. The bronze sword is probably part of their character model and just gets removed when the Levin sword is active.
The mario cape glitch does have a use. It makes it easier to gimp some characters. Sometimes at the beginning of a match, you might get a grab at the ledge. You can forward throw -> run off cape the opponent and it's a lot better if this glitch happens. For example Pyra/Mythra can not recover back to the stage after that. Super niche but can be helpful.
I have a theory about the Pink 120% damage thing: Hazard Percent. The only stage besides New Pork that I can compare this to (I can't play the game here at college to see what other stages has this) is Great Cave Offensive's lava. The lava in that will KO the player at 120%, which leads me to believe that players have a "hazard percent" in which they will instantly KO if they have 120% or more and come into contact with a damage-dealing stage hazard (i.e. Pink/GCO's lava). Pink deals specifically 120% to ensure that the player is instantly KO'd by their "hazard percent", regardless of what percent they were at beforehand. And this may be common knowledge and I'm a clown, or there may be some interesting things we can test with this:
1) You gain 120% from Pink's chomp for two frames before getting KO'd; what if you were healed by a healing item during that time? Will you survive? Will your "hazard percent" be lower than 120% before getting KO'd?
2) What if you mod the game so Pink deals less than 120%? Will you survive the first chomp at 0%? That will confirm whether or not Pink's chomp is part of this "hazard percent" idea in the first place, and whether or not there even IS a "hazard percent".
Also Stage Builder's lava does not follow this "hazard percent" theory, for some reason. I wonder if that was a design change Nintendo made on purpose to make SB less annoying (i.e. stages with just lava everywhere)
I thought it was 100 % in Great Cave Offensive, and the chimera does 100 % without the 1vs1 multiplier.
This doesn't seem to be it. I tested it in Training Mode, and even if I set my own percentage back to 0 after the damage but before the instant KO would take effect, the instant KO still happens.
I think it may actually be a leftover from Brawl. According to the wiki: "The attack has 2 hitboxes which can both damage the player simultaneously, potentially resulting in 200% damage." So they might've just changed the second hitbox to be an instant KO in Ultimate, and then either forgot or didn't care about the first hitbox.
SNAKE TAUNTING WITH THE ITEM LIMIT REACHED IS SO FUCKING FUNNY LOL
THE YOSHI EGG THING IS SO FUNNY LMFAO LOL
Most final smashes delete all items on screen (even held/equip/transformation items), I'm not sure where they draw the line because as far as I could tell, there's no rhyme or reason to it, I thought it was cutscene final smash that would trigger this but there's some exceptions (like Peach and Daisy not being exactly "cutscenes" but just a zoom in), then I thought it was all final smashes that could influence how the camera works but there's even more exceptions to that
I'm sure it would be faster to list all final smashes that keep items on screen than not (and for non-cutscene smash that do delete everything, items can still spawn during the animation, truly a bizarre game)
Gravity: *exists*
Robin: "I'm gonna pretend I didn't see that."
4:44 IS 100% the sole reason why I subbed, it was so subtle and I noticed it...
For a video on the item limit bug thingie you could do a quickfire round where you go through ever character that has an non-interesting or basic interaction with it, and then leave the interesting ones til after
Wait, did Robin recharge their tomes and sword just fine at the item cap? like, if they used it up and you hit cap, did they get it back notmally?
Its nice to see another one of these videos again :)
about mario's cape glitch, i discovered it back in smash 4, but i noticed it because if you do the glitch while the timer's slowdown effect is happening, the knockback is ampliflied greatly (this carries over to ultimate)
the glitch is deactivated by any attack that has hitlag (except pummels? idk)
the glitch can be reactivated through throws and most command grabs that the end launches the opponent (bowser/diddy/incineroar side B launch, robin's down B doesnt), with the only exception being terry's buster wolf, which does stop the glitch
it can also be activated by making the opponent fall asleep (jigglypuff up B, peach final smash, hero hocus pocus)
attacks that neither activate nor stop the glitch include
-command grabs that dont launch:
yoshi's egg lay, kirby, dedede inhale, mewtwo's confusion robin's down B, steve's minecart
-attacks that dont do hitlag
fox's laser, bowser fire breath (at long range), olimar's side B (except purple pikmin) and inkling's neutral B (at long range)
-grabs and pummels
i tested all characters except kazuya because he's weird, he has little to no hitlag and way too many attacks :P
The passive damage not affecting the cape has me wondering if things like pichu’s self damage and charizard’s flare blitz affects it too
I'd LOVE to see a full video dedicated to the item limit, I'm sure there's a whole lot. Specifically, I think the Icies' neutral B simply won't spawn any icicles, all of the Links not having any arrows/bombs/boomerangs, and so on. Maybe even Zelda not summoning the knight for her side B?
Does the chimera still only do 120 is stamina battles? I've never done one so I have no clue if you can even set HP that specially, but could you set your hp to 121 and survive the attack?
Considering it doesn't launch players in % mode, it's pretty likely that taking the damage triggers and instant kill effect and you die regardless
@@cakeyeater7392 the difference of having below 120% would then be dying one frame earlier due to the damage and not the chimera instakill effect
Jfc my spelling in this was terrible I had just woken up okay
The Wile E Coyote thing cracked me up, that's hilarious
I’ve had this knowledge for a while. With Hero you can regain MP from hitting a sandbag in item form.
That mario cape glitch, I imagine could actually be pretty impactful since that tiny bit upwards can make a character be able to recover
I loved this video so much i cried 😢
After the April fools video, I’m fully expecting this to not be real. I know it probably is but i’m not falling for that trick twice
You're thinking of @PJiggles, the other PSmashTrivia guy.
0:13 well, about that...
I’m also pretty sure something about Lucario’s side special command grab is coded wrong.
The in-game tips says it should one-hit KO when you’re aura is high enough, but in reality this move is barely even affected by aura-scaling
The move is definitely a lot stronger with aura.
Tested at the ledge with no DI:
Without aura/rage, kills at around 140
With max aura/rage, kills at around 50
But yeah it never one hit KOs
about final smashes, interestingly peach and daisy's aren't the only ones with weird interactions with items; if anyone lands a cutscene final smash(Ridley, K.Rool, Sephiroth...) or a final smash with a cutscene in it that also has attacks after(like the Aegis or Kazuya), it despawn's everyone's held item regardless of if they got hit or not
this is probably so the cutscene doesn't look weird with items in their hands, but it never actually respawns them and i'm not sure if that's intentional or not as there doesnt seem to be a tip about this in the game
I expected the yoshi egg stacking glitch to be tried with the different skins because of the different colors to see if it goes crazy rainbow or if one substitutes the other.
Mario's cape popping people up could actually ruin early game gimps for him if he throws someone off stage at 0 and fludds them
Likely the robin weapons are simply separate from their actual model but not in the item category and still owned and belong to robin, just connected at a point on the hands to explain the item limit thing
Yo I forgot you play TF2 for some reason lol, was nice to see it pop up in the end
Well there goes my secret doctor Mario cape combo.
blocks also count towards the 8 item limit in training mode. you can place blocks while items are on screen fine but if blocks are there first then that limits the amount of items that can spawn
I think how the cape works is that, you need to directly hit the opponent for the glitch to come to effect.
Just indirectly hurt the opponent with an item (unless you throw it at them), pushing them, or throwing them wouldn’t cause the affect as you aren’t hitting them. Sure, throwing them or having them get hit by a pitfall you left on the floor doesn’t involve you actually hitting them directly, only indirectly hurting them or causing damage to increase without it being registered as a hit.
The only exception is the cape itself, probably because they noticed the glitch and tried fixing it, but never realized it also had other attacks that can cause the glitch.
Maybe the ultimate chimera deals 100% and his "kill" move deals 20%, there are some attacks that instakill you if you are over 100% like the death scythe
I feel like the tomes and the Levin Sword aren't considered "items" while being used. They only transform into "items" when being dropped which is why they instantly disappear when the item limit has been reached; however, there model probably is considered separate from Robin's unlike other weapons in the game which is why they aren't covered by the metal or ink effects.
There is a mechanic in ultimate where when a character uses a final smash all items just disappear. I'm pretty sure there are some exceptions but I don't know who they are so don't quote me on that part.
About Mario's cape knockback:
I found a bug where if you slow the opponent with a Timer item, throw them, and then immediately cape them, they get sent further, and this ignores the knockback resistant status that is present after getting hit. The longer you wait before caping them, the weaker the knockback. This lasts for as long as they are in the air after getting launched from the throw, though if you wait to long the reduction from time will clear it. If they get hit before they are caped after being thrown, they are no longer launched when caped.
This might actually be the same bug as mentioned when it comes to getting hit and becoming cape knockback resistant but I think there's still a different bug present relating to being thrown and then getting caped. The timer might not be necessary but it makes it easier to do.
4:47 Wait there's no grab-release wait? How can I torture my opponents in teams with this knowledge, hmmmmmmm~ >w
It looks like the using characters moving when getting caped is the glitch. It likely got overlooked because most players wouldn't use Cape as their first attack.
8:39 WOAH LMFAO LOL
I love your videos so much
Please make a video where you go through the whole roster on the item overload setup! I could see it being a long-form video in the future
I love that spongebob refrence at the beginning.
YAYYYYYYYY
I DON'T RECALL GETTING A NOTIFICATION FOR THIS LOL
I JUST SAW YOU ON A PJIGGLES VIDEO AND DECIDED TO CHECK WHEN THE LAST VIDEO WAS AND ... YAAAYYY HERE WE GO LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL >D
I knew it was busted somehow, I knew something weird happened with cape
Are you gonna give us a mario movie review once you watch it?
there's always some sorta silly bug with yoshi using egg lay
I feel like the cape not dealing knock back is because when that character is "finally" hit, they technically enter "fight" mode... if there is such a thing... where the cape doesnt make the character enter fight mode!
And the snake taunt returnes
13:45 bro's about to start taking to Mr Hat
I would love to see a roster video on the item/entity overload setup! I'd love to see the untapped potential of some characters, but the complete lack of anything for others
Like Wario. How does his bike interact with it? If it doesn't spawn at 64, will it at 63? What happens when you finally get it to spawn and you destroy it? I'd love to see the odd quirks some characters may or may not have
For the final glitch, I’d like to ask what happens with Greninja’s down B, and if it does anything weird, or just doesn’t spawn the Substitute/log
You know, I totally forget spirits exist in this game.
If you load lil Mac with punching spirits, you can easy mode the world of light btw.
11:45 we did it bois we figured out how to counter steve
I would watch a video of you reading the obituaries.
11:34 There actually functional difference between the taunts. The distance and rotation of the box is slightly different between them.
I think the reason why the pink monster thing (forgot name) doesn’t do 999 dmg is so that at the end of rounds the statistics are not flawed and you didn’t take 999% dmg or something.
So I guess steve carries one tnt block, and only crafts another whenever he uses it.
(How he does it without gunpowder, and likely without sand either, is beyond me.)
Starting from 3:22 I just noticed everytime looks receive windbox or damage that wasn't triggered by mario. You see a tiny visual glitch when flipping Lucas.
I think they put the Kirby animation there so that in a possible situation that it needed to be played the game wouldnt crash. That or the skill needs the "empty" state included to work properly. You never know what is linked to what in games.
About Robin's Tome Every Tome is in the game so for there Neutral B they actually are a différents cover of the book for the 4 different Projectile
One Zigzag Thunder for his Thunder Tome
One Double Zigzig Thunder for his Elthunder Tome
A Sparkle inside a circle for his Arcthunder Tome
A Arrow for his Thoron Tome
Which mean that for Kirby when he use Neutral B without any ressources left will switch between the Nosferatu Tome, Arcfire Tome, Elwind Tome and Thoron Tome but weirdly not the Thunder, Elthunder and Arcthunder Tome :/
i noticed while watching one of your videos that on glacier when someone gets hit or lands little ice shards will pop out from under their feet. small but i never noticed this. (probably because i never play on glacier lol)
Random fact:Alph has the same problem with the star rod that ZSS does, in that he doesn’t shake while charging it. This also isn’t the case with Olimar for some reason.
fact: olimars side-b only stales for each pikmin thrown, not individual hits (basically the first pikmin does 2.5% for each hit while latched on, but the next pikmin only does 2.1% each hit)
It would be nice to see more footage of z64! Maybe some romhacks!
The cape bug is pretty odd, it might be an edge case check isn't firing every time it's supposed to, or it could point to an undocumented memory stack corruption issue.
i’d watch a video of just each character failing to use their item moves
13:43
*turns southern for no reason*
The Ultimate Chimera could be utilising some of the insta-kill code from the scythe weapon to do it's insta-kill, hence setting the player above 100% before the kill occurs.
Why 120% rather than 100% though? I'm not completely sure.
Maybe to protect against the potential for healing from something like a regen spirit or the healing well the same frame as the damage is being applied. If they set you to 100%, there would be the potential for a healing effect to occur on the same frame thus lowering you below the insta-kill threshold, but there isn't anything in the game that can heal 20% in a single frame, so you wouldn't be able to regen out. Just a guess though
From the technical knowledge I have of Smash, this glitch you are referring to is caused by anything that is considered direct, or targetted damage.
The reason certain things don't is thus:
Grabs don't act as direct interactions, despite what they are.
Fire Boxes don't act as self-inflicted damage, unlike the Fake Smash Ball.
And some other details my brain is too dead to remember.
As for why the glitch is caused... No real idea. It may be tied to a specific Knockback Modifier in the game's code, since Knockback generally acts different when an Opponent hasn't been hit at all yet, so it might have to do with a generic Knockback Modifier that causes the cape to do more than it typically would do.
Knockback in Smash in general is kinda weird, so I can only make some guesses.
I do wish they gave Snake more unique taunts but the box taunt having different animations also works
Edit: How to make Steve fair and balanced