With the comment about "there's too many blockers" before he scoops it up, makes me think it might've made a difference, because it was portal that was the source of the blockers.
Having it sit in his hand just really didn't seem useful. I think that could have been a win. It would have only been useful if back to back he drew a thopter then bushwacker.
36:10 FUN FACT: That isn't a tornado, that's an upside-down Mountain from Mercadia! Mercadia is a plane where everything is supposed to be the opposite of normal Magic: Goblins are smart, problems are solved with merchandising rather than actual fighting, and people use blimps instead of boats. In order to show this, the art directors decided to make some pretty over-the-top art designs, such as upside-down mountains being plains.
It feels so bizzare that so early on in Magic they decided to do a concept like "everything is opposite" when they barely had the concepts they would make opposite set in stone compared to the way they do now. I feel like if Mercadia came out now instead of back then the concepts of the game that would be subverted being more fleshed out would have worked much more in it's favor, and it could have been a massive hit, in the same way that time spiral played with color identity and a lot of stuff like that. Though, hindsight is 20/20. A lot of what has happened probably wouldn't have happened if it wasn't for the lessons learned from Mercadisn masques. The set was kinda important for learning what they did and didn't want to do with the game. Therefore becoming essential to create the magic we know and love today. Idk, weird, funny to think about.
This explains why I started seeing spikes for Reckless Bushwhacker going from under $1 USD to around $4 USD. Surprised it took this long to spike considering how long the 8-Whack decks have been promoted as a premiere budget deck.
@@drpibisback7680 it is a better bushwasher tbh, the haste is nice, but the damage is game ending and lines up better from my experience seeing the deck and playing it
I am surprised people don't run Augusta, Dean of Order in the deck Edit: This card is even better than I thought while watching most of the gameplay! As long as you attack with one creature, you can untap all your convoked creatures and the side that the convoke knight cares about is 2 cmc (I believe that's how that works) because Plarrg, Dean of Chaos is the front facing creature
Deck is good, but saying it's the "Hogaak of Pioneer" is the over estimation of the decade. Primary differences: 1. Hogaak has delve, and access to dredge cards. This deck does not. 2. Hogaak does not care about removal, you can remove it and it'll be back the very next turn. This deck folds to a board wipe. What made Hogaak good wasn't how fast Hogaak got out, it was that Hogaak was nearly impossible to deal with.
So explain to me when convoke is on the play and they got 20 power on board turn 3. What a normal deck can do to stop it with 2 lands? Only way to stop it is maybe push 1 creature so they cant convoke turn 2 but have to do it turn 3. Even then.. you cant 1 for 1 an army of 3/2's .
@@Ricardo8388 then put sweepers in your sideboard. Pioneer is repleat with 3 mana sweepers that will kill an entire board of dorks even after convoking out a Loxodon. The whole point of sideboarding is to prepare for matchups like convoke.
@@Ricardo8388 or sit in the TH-cam comments huffing copium about a deck with only a 7% meta share in explorer and a 0.7% meta share in pioneer - which is easily blown out, for the record - because you play Bo1 in explorer on arena exclusively. That also works. Getting good is for scrubs, just ban the stuff I don't play around.
I was trying to do my daily wins yesterday with a monored deck in explorer bo1. Next thing I know I loose like 5 games in a row to this deck. Went to my decks, copied my standard control deck, loaded it full of 3 mana value boardwipes for dorks and proceeded to ruin people's day
This is the way. Although, I actually came back against one 3 mana value board wipe to win 😅 Also, I don't like these kinds of decks, but only played it to get to Gold.
@@MTGGoldfish this is definitely the kind of powerful deck I like to see pop up. Super crazy, super original, abysmal matchup to the one deck if things get out of hand
This seems strong, possibly too strong, but it isn’t Hoggak level. Hoggak required a turn Turn 0 answer that is usually a sideboard card (Leyline of the Void) in order for the game to even feel playable. Also, nothing won against Hoggak’s best draw, whatever you were doing, if Hoggak had its most optimal start it was just better. We saw this lose when it has the dream draw. TLDR: it just isn’t on the same level of oppression Hoggak was on.
I think people were being intentionally sensationalist lol, it's Twitter after all and hot takes get the most attention. Hoggak is pretty much just a synonym for spewing out a ridiculous board state very early now, probably nothing will actually be that good again.
Convoke is really nice. I played a boros convoke draft deck and I went unbeaten on arena. Felt very good being able to cast spells making your dudes mana dorks.
Yes, played the deck a lot and it was scary for like a couple of days but is easy to side board for and even people are playing meat hook maindeck so yeah there is play for it
I'm no pro deck builder, but not too long ago I felt this deck was coming. I was a little off target in the build though. I expected a blend of convoke, equipment creatures, and affinity
Point of order: Your absolute nut draw allows you to cast Knight-Errant or Loxodon on turn 1: four Ornithopters and an untapped White source is five Convoke mana. Nonbudgeting this deck, the first thing I would do is replace Pathways with Sacred Foundries, because if you need W on turn and R the next (or vice versa), Pathways aren't useful.
There are 3 mana wraths and they all are side-board worthy if this deck gets popular. Even Bontu's Reconing is viable, you lose one turn but the opponent most likely dumped their whole hand anyway.
Don't know the extent of how good it is overall, but it is well above the other decks I've made in MTGA, even without cards like Bushwhacker. Got me out of gold 4 into Plat. Edit: I also play best of 1 generally, so the cards to replace bushwhacker are learn cards, and the sideboard has lessons.
I built 3 of the Nephilims for commander. Really unique designs! I especially like Yor TIller's art, it looks super disturbing. Mechanically they mostly feel unique and distinct. Lore wise they're actually legendary. They're also in a super underserved niche of 4 color commanders, which only has a few entries other than random partner pairings. I would love for them to get the errata one day. It'd be a slam dunk.
In my opinion, Tormod's Crypt being a 0-mana artifact is a huge deal. Lion Sash could be okay in slower decks with more mana at their disposal, but I wouldn't play it here.
I've seen Bolt Hound as a replacement. Can't cast it for 2 and doesn't give haste though. For same effect there's like Nahiri's Resolve, but that's 5 mana.
to add to the other comment, I've seen someone play Regal Leosaur against me. It could be a consideration. To be fair, it's in Seth's deck too and maybe you've already considered it, but it is a sneaky one-of there.
A surprising number of the creatures have 2 toughness, plus Venerated Loxodon can potentially get the rest out of range. It's a solid hit, but it's easier for the deck to fight End the Festivities than, say, Anger of the Gods.
Arena is a grind-centric platform, you're incentivized to play lots of games very quickly whether you're winning or losing. This deck either steamrolls or gasses out, both of which will happen inside of 20 minutes if you're playing bo1.
also twitter really doesn't understand why hogaak is a broken magic card I'd say of everything printed on hogaak convoke is one of the least problematic things
I feel like Servo Exhibition would be better than either Resolute Reinforcements or Forbidden Friendship so you don't have as many dead gleeful demolitions, but honestly the deck looks Hoogak anyways
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9:55 I don't know if this would change anything but Gleeful demolition can kill the opponents artifacts...
Yeah I feel like with Ornithopter dying there was no real reason not to kill the Portal
With the comment about "there's too many blockers" before he scoops it up, makes me think it might've made a difference, because it was portal that was the source of the blockers.
Having it sit in his hand just really didn't seem useful. I think that could have been a win. It would have only been useful if back to back he drew a thopter then bushwacker.
was thinking the same thing. He's so used to play it as a synergy piece he forgot it's only "destroy target artifact"
I think it would have helped a lot, maybe not enough to win, but he should have used it. He probably just forgot it can target enemy artifacts.
36:10 FUN FACT: That isn't a tornado, that's an upside-down Mountain from Mercadia! Mercadia is a plane where everything is supposed to be the opposite of normal Magic: Goblins are smart, problems are solved with merchandising rather than actual fighting, and people use blimps instead of boats. In order to show this, the art directors decided to make some pretty over-the-top art designs, such as upside-down mountains being plains.
I grew up playing with one copy of that plains and I thought it was a tornado too XD
It's a great top-down design, in that Mercadian magic was also the opposite of fun if you ask people who were playing at the time.
It feels so bizzare that so early on in Magic they decided to do a concept like "everything is opposite" when they barely had the concepts they would make opposite set in stone compared to the way they do now.
I feel like if Mercadia came out now instead of back then the concepts of the game that would be subverted being more fleshed out would have worked much more in it's favor, and it could have been a massive hit, in the same way that time spiral played with color identity and a lot of stuff like that.
Though, hindsight is 20/20. A lot of what has happened probably wouldn't have happened if it wasn't for the lessons learned from Mercadisn masques. The set was kinda important for learning what they did and didn't want to do with the game. Therefore becoming essential to create the magic we know and love today.
Idk, weird, funny to think about.
Seth forgetting the hidden mode on Gleeful Demolition.
Oh my goodness. You just ended it all! I don't think he's coming back from that.
Nice, with how much drama this deck was making I was hoping it would be the next budget magic. Really wanted to see what it looked like in action!
It's a good budget deck, but I don't think it's anywhere as scary as people are making it out to be.
Gleeful Demolition can target any artifact on the battlefield, 11:20, prolly was a losing battle but you could have blown up the portal
Congrats to Doomwake on making a deck good enough for people to panic and demand bans.
This explains why I started seeing spikes for Reckless Bushwhacker going from under $1 USD to around $4 USD. Surprised it took this long to spike considering how long the 8-Whack decks have been promoted as a premiere budget deck.
Yeah, I'm surprised that various Modern 8 Whack decks didn't do much for the price.
Leosaur deserves a main deck spot over clarion, it absolutely nukes games so quickly turning your 1/1's into 3 power
Agreed, it's basically another Bushwhacker.
Clarion Spirit making you go even wider is pretty good, but swapping one Leosaur in as Bushwhacker #5 seems pretty sweet.
@@drpibisback7680 it is a better bushwasher tbh, the haste is nice, but the damage is game ending and lines up better from my experience seeing the deck and playing it
Yeah, Leosaur did feel good.
I am surprised people don't run Augusta, Dean of Order in the deck
Edit: This card is even better than I thought while watching most of the gameplay! As long as you attack with one creature, you can untap all your convoked creatures and the side that the convoke knight cares about is 2 cmc (I believe that's how that works) because Plarrg, Dean of Chaos is the front facing creature
I don't think anyone has actually read the dean enough to know what Augusta does. There's a lot of text to get through.
Deck is good, but saying it's the "Hogaak of Pioneer" is the over estimation of the decade. Primary differences:
1. Hogaak has delve, and access to dredge cards. This deck does not.
2. Hogaak does not care about removal, you can remove it and it'll be back the very next turn. This deck folds to a board wipe.
What made Hogaak good wasn't how fast Hogaak got out, it was that Hogaak was nearly impossible to deal with.
So explain to me when convoke is on the play and they got 20 power on board turn 3. What a normal deck can do to stop it with 2 lands? Only way to stop it is maybe push 1 creature so they cant convoke turn 2 but have to do it turn 3. Even then.. you cant 1 for 1 an army of 3/2's .
@@Ricardo8388 then put sweepers in your sideboard. Pioneer is repleat with 3 mana sweepers that will kill an entire board of dorks even after convoking out a Loxodon. The whole point of sideboarding is to prepare for matchups like convoke.
@@joelhatterini6392 Yeah so if you lose the dice roll youre fucked. 3 mana sweepers.. sounds great.
@@Ricardo8388 or sit in the TH-cam comments huffing copium about a deck with only a 7% meta share in explorer and a 0.7% meta share in pioneer - which is easily blown out, for the record - because you play Bo1 in explorer on arena exclusively. That also works. Getting good is for scrubs, just ban the stuff I don't play around.
I was trying to do my daily wins yesterday with a monored deck in explorer bo1. Next thing I know I loose like 5 games in a row to this deck. Went to my decks, copied my standard control deck, loaded it full of 3 mana value boardwipes for dorks and proceeded to ruin people's day
This is the way. Although, I actually came back against one 3 mana value board wipe to win 😅 Also, I don't like these kinds of decks, but only played it to get to Gold.
@@toubeelo1979 But how about... FOUR 3cmc board wipes
**laughs in teferi**
@@Sey318 You won't even need the third one. Haha. It's almost impossible to come back after two board wipes. One board wipe is doable.
Yeah, if you play cheap sweepers you can stop the deck easy enough.
@@MTGGoldfish this is definitely the kind of powerful deck I like to see pop up. Super crazy, super original, abysmal matchup to the one deck if things get out of hand
This seems strong, possibly too strong, but it isn’t Hoggak level. Hoggak required a turn Turn 0 answer that is usually a sideboard card (Leyline of the Void) in order for the game to even feel playable. Also, nothing won against Hoggak’s best draw, whatever you were doing, if Hoggak had its most optimal start it was just better. We saw this lose when it has the dream draw. TLDR: it just isn’t on the same level of oppression Hoggak was on.
I think people were being intentionally sensationalist lol, it's Twitter after all and hot takes get the most attention. Hoggak is pretty much just a synonym for spewing out a ridiculous board state very early now, probably nothing will actually be that good again.
Yeah, I agree. To me it feels more like a solid 8 Whack deck than Modern Hogaak.
Convoke is really nice. I played a boros convoke draft deck and I went unbeaten on arena. Felt very good being able to cast spells making your dudes mana dorks.
Budget Hoggak🤔 Not quite but I see the explosive play pattern that is absolutely crushed with the right sideboard cards
Yes, played the deck a lot and it was scary for like a couple of days but is easy to side board for and even people are playing meat hook maindeck so yeah there is play for it
I'm no pro deck builder, but not too long ago I felt this deck was coming. I was a little off target in the build though. I expected a blend of convoke, equipment creatures, and affinity
Point of order: Your absolute nut draw allows you to cast Knight-Errant or Loxodon on turn 1: four Ornithopters and an untapped White source is five Convoke mana.
Nonbudgeting this deck, the first thing I would do is replace Pathways with Sacred Foundries, because if you need W on turn and R the next (or vice versa), Pathways aren't useful.
Is 5 color domain really domain or is it just 5 color leyline? Because what other domain stuff do they have
It's really five-color control I think, outside of Leyline I'm not sure it plays any actual domain cards.
@@MTGGoldfish apparently a lot of brews run herd migration which is a second domain card.
Between this and Ancient Imperosaur deck which one is better convoke deck?
Been looking to pilot a new pioneer deck but didn't want to go full motored. This l looks like a very promising deck I want to run. I love it!!
Enjoy!
Why not destroy portal to phyrexia with gleeful demolition?
That's a good question, lol. I think I was too focused on using it as a combo piece and sort of overlooked using it on the opponent's stuff.
I seen this in explorer too, seem decent there.
@26:10 appreciate the Linkin Park reference...
Why not destroy the portal to phyrexia using gleeful demolition?
There are 3 mana wraths and they all are side-board worthy if this deck gets popular. Even Bontu's Reconing is viable, you lose one turn but the opponent most likely dumped their whole hand anyway.
I have those tornado basics in foil and they are gorgeous
They are some of my favorites!
Im glad i wasn't the only one yelling at the monitor, "gleeful demolition can destroy artifacts!" Lol 😂
Don't know the extent of how good it is overall, but it is well above the other decks I've made in MTGA, even without cards like Bushwhacker. Got me out of gold 4 into Plat.
Edit: I also play best of 1 generally, so the cards to replace bushwhacker are learn cards, and the sideboard has lessons.
love how seth flicks his cards on moto lmao
10:30 dont forget Gleeful demolition also hit opponent artifact ;) you could have destroyed their portal.
Obligatory weekly mulligan more comment
Sick deck though, reminds me of budget mono red hollowvine in modern
What we need is an actual covoke commmander that gives covoke to all cards as long as they pay 2 more mana
That would actually be pretty sweet (and probably pretty busted).
I built 3 of the Nephilims for commander. Really unique designs! I especially like Yor TIller's art, it looks super disturbing. Mechanically they mostly feel unique and distinct. Lore wise they're actually legendary. They're also in a super underserved niche of 4 color commanders, which only has a few entries other than random partner pairings. I would love for them to get the errata one day. It'd be a slam dunk.
I don't know if it is Hoogak level
But wish Nykthos, Karn and Creativity to go first
Don't ban Creativity, ban Fable
Forget that gleeful demolition could destroy portal... misplay
Still very surpised nobody is running Pride of Conquerors in this deck. It pops tf off so early
I love nothing more than watching bushwhacker snag free wins
10:00 why didnt you just gleeful their portal???
If Atraxa doesn't get banned, does Lion Sash make it in for graveyard removal?
In my opinion, Tormod's Crypt being a 0-mana artifact is a huge deal. Lion Sash could be okay in slower decks with more mana at their disposal, but I wouldn't play it here.
@@kheliaal'm dumb lol I thought this was standard. For some reason I saw the knight and immediately went 'oh cool new standard convoke'
@@ther3aper561 oh ahaha, alrighty then
Could be worth it in the sideboard.
I love Venerated Loxodon!! 🐘🐘🐘🐘
Any suggestions on what to swap in for bushwhacker in explorer? I don't have mtgo
I've seen Bolt Hound as a replacement. Can't cast it for 2 and doesn't give haste though. For same effect there's like Nahiri's Resolve, but that's 5 mana.
to add to the other comment, I've seen someone play Regal Leosaur against me. It could be a consideration. To be fair, it's in Seth's deck too and maybe you've already considered it, but it is a sneaky one-of there.
I went with Bolt Hound (didn't know people are doing it already, it just seemed best suited), and I'm happy with that choice
there an artifact that can has convoke for 3 that i have seen in explorer
Bolt Hound or Regal Leosaur are probably the two closest cards, although you should also just play more token producers.
Also really nice in explorer. Not exactly 1 to 1 but still good
Yeah, mostly missing the Bushwhacker, but it could still work in Explorer.
This is really close to my standard deck but it is probably more consistent
Doesn’t the deck fold to an End the Festivities?
A surprising number of the creatures have 2 toughness, plus Venerated Loxodon can potentially get the rest out of range. It's a solid hit, but it's easier for the deck to fight End the Festivities than, say, Anger of the Gods.
More or less, assuming you draw it soon enough.
i am pretty tilted by not blowing up portal
This is all over Arena right now. It gets beat so easy. Guess it wins tho against others as they are running it like crazy.
Arena is a grind-centric platform, you're incentivized to play lots of games very quickly whether you're winning or losing. This deck either steamrolls or gasses out, both of which will happen inside of 20 minutes if you're playing bo1.
No demographic whines quite like the MTG player base.
Ps - to be fair, there are legitimate complaints to be made.
hogaak is really living in twitter's head rent free huh
also twitter really doesn't understand why hogaak is a broken magic card I'd say of everything printed on hogaak convoke is one of the least problematic things
@@jarzz3601 this deck is more like revolt zoo than hogaak it goes wide and smashes hard, but can die to wipes easily
Umm, this entire deck is 100% historic legal on arena
damn, except bushwacker
@@IdsFear yeah you have to use regal Leosaur whose Mutate cost 3 mana total
@@goodguyshuckle9270 the next best haste enabler might be the goblin samurai who gives everything haste for 1 mana
@@IdsFear I’d argue it’s not the haste you want but the pump overall
You're missing Reckless Bushwhacker, otherwise I think the entire deck is on Arena.
am sorry but the guy that ask for for it to be ban because they are salty
the ask for the elementale lol
chalice would destroy that deck
Yeah, Fury pretty much single-handedly removed go-wide creature decks from contention in Modern. Asking for that in Pioneer is insane.
@@drpibisback7680 one catds should not make or unmake the whole meta. I still cannot believe that the elemental cycle exists
yorion player just dies to greasefang decks so its fine
Already 150$ deck(
Yeah, got wrecked by Invasion of Gobakhan being bought out between when I made the deck and when it went live :(
I feel like Servo Exhibition would be better than either Resolute Reinforcements or Forbidden Friendship so you don't have as many dead gleeful demolitions, but honestly the deck looks Hoogak anyways
But Servo Exhibition doesn't create white tokens to help fully convoke out your five mana dudes.
You need white creatures to convoke white mana pips.
@@tomfhaines It's also not a creature, so you can't hit it off Knight-Errant like Resolute Reinforcements.
Hmm, that's a good call. Making artifact tokens is a nice upside.
this deck is abyssmal to play against -_-
It's best draws are pretty unbeatable for most decks (although cheap sweepers can still beat them), it's not super consistent though.
Can someone give this guy some speachtherapy.
It should be banned just because it warps the game around drawling a niche out or die. If I wanted to do that I would I play yugioh.
Je..... Gan.... Tha
8 lox
Just speak normally.
we just need bushwacker then it's legal on arena! sweet deck regardless