@@mojo7495 if you truly knew Mary you might understand. 1st she is the mother of Jesus. How would you feel if someone disrespected your mom? 2nd she is the arc of the new covenet as the old arc carried arrons staff(priesthood) manna from the desert(Gods bread) and the word of God written on stone(Gods word) Mary carried the high priest, the living bread, and the word made flesh in her womb. Also she traveled to the wilderness for 3 months as kind david did. The arc was brought to him and he danced and lept for joy in front of it and stated" how is it that the arc of the covenet should come to me?" And when Mary met Elizabeth she said "how is it the mother of my Lord should come to me?" And John lept for joy in her womb. Mary is the woman of genesis which will have enmity with the serpent who is the woman of revelation wearing a crown of 12 stars and from the cross Jesus called Her woman when talking to the apostle whom He loved. There are many other examples like king soliman and his mother showing how Jesus would setup His kingdom in heaven How Mary would recieve the swords of sorrow. If you can not have Mary as your mother you shall never have Jesus as your brother
My original statement was that THE BIBLE is silent on the matter of all the gaudy titles the RCC has heaped upon her. You turn the subject around and tell us about your "deep tradition", which was NOT on the table for discussion, NOR are traditions to be held on the same level as Holy Writ (which is what the RCC bogusly teaches to dupe their members). Scripture reigns supreme. Thus, when your filthy catechism states to bring "ALL YOUR CARES" to Mary (CCC 2677) true Christians evaluate that claim and REJECT your tradition because Scripture refutes it in no uncertain terms! We are told to bring all our cares to CHRIST, period, end of story (1 Peter 5:7, Phil 4:6-7, Heb 4:15-16).
Your response, although sincere, is UNBIBLICAL for far too many reasons to list here. You are reading into Scripture what you want and coming to erroneous conclusions to justify RC belief and practice. When the Holy Spirit wants to make a comparison with something for our instruction, He TELL US. SO many examples could be cited. But what Catholics do is to make comparisons which God has NOT mentioned and then rest their eternal souls on it. True Christians will have none of it. And by the way, if you insist that Mary is the woman of Rev 12, you seem to forget that the woman there was having labor pains. Labor pains were given to women as a result of Eve's sin, showing that God decreed all who bear children would go through it, as all men would go through having to work by the sweat of our brow to make a living. If Mary had labor pains, that means she was a sinner like everyone else---and oh my, now what will you do? Face it, your theology is debunked by this one example alone, and I could easily engage with the others. That being so, Catholicism must be branded as counterfeit Christianity.
@@mojo7495 "Scripture reigns supreme"? "... filthy catechism"? My good sir, you are in error. Whoever it is that has led you to believe these things does not have your best interests in mind, but instead desires infinite misery for you, and along the way for you to drag as many others into grievous mortal error as possible. The Catholic Church, instituted by Our Lord Jesus as documented by Holy Scripture in Mt 16:15-19, exists to save your eternal soul from that fate. For your own good, kindly reconsider your position.
4:58 is absolutely disgusting. His concern isn't that Vigano was lying. His concern was that Vigano was hurting the reputation of the churches leaders. Unbelievable. They just don't get it. They really don't get it. May God use the state to chastise them and purify the church. These types of people, those who care more for their reputation than abuse victims, should be in prison
Keith P they are the main actors of the clericalism Francis is denouncing...! Clericalism is giving to the clergy a power they have not. To Oullet the most important is he thought he and his colleagues were semi-gods and Viganò is showing some of them are the worst. It is a typical example of killing the messenger because I don’t like the message... Pathetic
What AB Vigano and many other people have done against the Pope in this matter (in AB Vigano's case, he has mentioned many Bishops and Cardinals in accusing them of cover up the case) has really tarnished the Church and counter-evangelisation. Read that so many similar comments such as: "I am glad I have left the Church"...and some church haters said "Catholics are satanists".... Aren't we sad that all these comments have let people to believe that the Church is a bad organisation and thus should not be credible? Isn't it part of our creed: I believe in one Holy and Catholic Church... ?
Benny Efendie it is the job of the faithful to evict and publicly expose false preachers in sheep’s clothing and remove them from the church (as was made clear in the bible: go read all of St Paul’s Letters). Do not dare to shift the blame! What tarnishes the church are lying priests, priest child molesters and priests who promote sexual immorality, false teachings and lies. it is these bishops and cardinals that god will condemn to hell. The Jewish Pharisee priest had the mandate of the Heavenly Father to be his temple priests but when they betrayed the teachings of God; our lord Jesus Christ spoke out publicly and exposed them. The church is now Cleaning house. What will be left is a pure faithful remanent. These few faithful will be the grounds of the new evangelisation where the faith is real and credible, so stop playing the sneaky lawyer and blaming those who expose these criminals and satanists (as they do their father’s work).
Despite your dramatic rendition, if this open letter to Vigano was to restore spiritual brotherhood it should not have contained veiled threats. Vigano is to be a martyr. One only has to see how this ends. Pray for Vigano. To speak truth to power one must have a brave heart andeyes on Christ the King. JMJ
Catholicism is counterfeit Christianity, so you can scream JMJ till yer blue in the face and you will still receive a passport to hell on that final day.
I’m biased toward Vigano, and I want to hear his response. I do think Oullet seems more concerned with protecting the reputation of bishops and Francis than anything else?? But he does kinda directly address some of Vigano’s claims and idk how to figure it all. Vigano should respond. However I think he’s still credible, and my bias and some other things I’ve read and heard about the Pope’s behavior and history and attitude make me doubt Oullet
Jared Johnson Francis is wholly corrupt. He was born, raised, and lived in a world of corruption. He is completely devoid of integrity. I don't think he knows what he is supposed to be doing. He is a complete hypocrite.
Vigano should not become visible. The tone of Ouellet makes it clear he is betraying Vigano to Francis. This is a tactic to draw Vigano out where he may be vulnerable. It's a political move of the kind he claims Vigano is attempting. Pray for Vigano. The Church is hurting, but still protected by Christ.
Very good point about the general bias...👍🏻😉 About Oullet’s letter. To me it was clear if he was answering he would do it siding the Pope. For one simple reason: it is too risky going on Viganò ‘a side. Card. Oullet has a very important post in the Vatican, which means he is “professionally “ really successful: important job, good salary, great benefits and recognition in the Church. If he sides Viganò, he is immediately losing all that! (look what has happened with the cardinals who have openly opposed Francis: Burke, Sarah, Muller...). Plus he should probably go into hiding as Viganò. One has to be really , really, really courageous to do that... This said, it is also possible that he really believes what he has stated in his letter... I have tried my best to read his letter from his shoes...but I cannot avoid reading between the lines his upset ness for the position in which Viganò has put him by specifically pointing out to him as the person who can access those documents. I don’t believe him. He has far too much to lose by siding Viganò, and a lot to maintain just denying it and siding Francis. On the other side Viganò has lost everything by denouncing all this, and he keeps on repeating the same statements. Why would he mention this cardinal if it was not true that this cardinal knows the truth and can support him??? I am afraid that they will fake a thorough investigation and they will conclude all was false and Viganò is a poor insane man... We really have to pray a lot for the Church...
Here's the summary: Yes, there were sanctions given by Pope Benedict, but the extent and evidence wasn't fully known. Pope Francis didn't really care much and must not have thought there was enough evidence to believe them [like he did in Chile, when he attacked the victims], so he lifted the sanctions. But Vigano is the bad guy because he hurt the reputation of church leaders. The majority of the letter decries him hurting the church leaders reputation, very little concern about victims or getting to the bottom of the scandal is given.
Keith P exactly. And even in Argentina I have evidence of Bergoglio’s crimes using church money to order books to be created by an attorney to influence the judicial system to defend and already convicted child predator father Grassi
What do you heretics stand to gain by slandering the Pope? Oh yea division of the church in America into 1. Conservative Catholic Church 2. Liberal Catholic Church. Stop this tendency towards schism and trust in the Lord
@@bpcathcrusader4952 do you defend the Borgia popes and the Pornocracy popes? Criticizing a pope's actions are valid. Believing he is impeccable and above criticism is papolatry. What we can't do is deny any dogma of faith and morals. That's schism. Criticizing his human actions is not schism.
Keith P it is not popalatry to defend the pope from idiotic attacks that say he supports child molestation and homosexuality among priests. This is a western cultural problem that has infiltrated the church. In the universal Catholic Church there are around 500,000 priests and around 5,000 bishops. To say that there is a HUGE homosexual problem among the priests is slander and a lie. Calling for witch hunts against priests who have homosexual inclinations and still lead celibate Holy lives is not catholic. All this talk of church purification sounds more Calvinist Protestant than Catholic. We should pray for the proper formation of priests and religious and pray for holiness of the formators of the priests in the seminaries. The Catholic Church does not have a homosexual problem in Asia, Eastern Europe, Africa, Middle East and much of South America. Reform is always part of conversion and preaching the gospel
Thank you Matt. Pope Benedict did impose penalties on the head of the Legionairies. So there is precedent in his Pontificat for taking corrective action. Also Archbishop Vigano has a very good reputation so I dismiss the attack that he has a history of deceptive tactics. He would not have reached his position if he could not be trusted. I would like the current Pope Francis to tell us plainly if he knew of the homosexual predation of Archbishop McCarrick directly. Pope Francis believes in openess and directness and now I believe we need it from him. What is so hard about saying he knew nothing if that is the truth!
I support Cardinal Vigano. There is too much going on. We can not continue to bury our heads in the sand and pretend our leaders have not dropped the ball.
Thank you for reading this out loud. For me reading this letter myself is like me reading Shakespeare. When someone else reads it out loud I then can interpret it. Thank you for keeping us informed.
All of this breaks my heart. I hate to see my beautiful Church be torn apart by factions inside and outside of the Church. Christ demanded unity. We have failed Him.
@Anton Babani Not necessarily. You know neither me, nor my opinions. My criticism on the letter from Ouellet is more a linguistic one, than an expression of my own drothers. There's a lot of "respect his words because of his office," but I'm this case, the Pope's words are not those of the office, but of the man, thus far.
Hardly. I'm blaming the very human men who fail publicly and ministerially in adherence to the name they represent. Then again, I do define "clericalism" rather differently than many I've heard, so perhaps, in that regard, I'm not blaming "clericalism" as such, but rather what I define as clericalism.
Personally, I feel more inclined to believe in Msgr Viganó's letters, and it doesn't prove it, but he seems to have placed a lot on the line by his testimonies, and I don't think someone would do that unless they were telling the truth. I'm glad the cardinal actually did respond, I think it's better than Francis's previous silence, but above, hopefully the truth of these things will be made plain, simple, and clear.
I'm shocked that Cardinal Ouellet penned this response. I expected him to side with Cardinal Viganò. Maybe his response is yet another revelation of why Holy Mother Church is declining and suffering from heresies in Canada.
"except for what I mentioned to you verbally about his situation as Bishop emeritus and certain conditions and restrictions that he had to follow on account of some rumors about his past conduct." Is he aware he just admitted something?- Ouellet that is.
Thanks Matt. I do think that there is a definite lack of clarity in some of the Holy Father's (far too many in my humble opinion ) comments. This is something we absolutely don't need today, I think we've had just about all the confusion we can handle since the sixties. Keep up the good work. God Bless.
“On the other hand, the fact that there may be persons in the Vatican who practice and support behavior contrary to Gospel values regarding sexuality, does not authorize us to generalize and declare this or that person as unworthy and as accomplices, even including the Holy Father himself. Should not the ministers of truth be the first to avoid calumny and defamation themselves?...” Cardinal Oullet Oh really, Cardinal Ouellet ? Yes, who better has a right and a duty to expose those in the Church who pretend to hold Gospel values, and yet support behavior contrary to those values, than a man who has witnessed this behavior first hand? Please release the documents of which Archbishop Vigano speaks. This is the true way for you to exonerate those who have been accused!
Cardinal Ouellet should excuse himself instead of accusing others. He is responsible for the designation of many bishops that now show up as very bad. In the room of the congregation of faith a priest was arrested by the police in a homosexual orgia with drugs. This man was assigned for episcopate. This are the future bishops cardinal Ouellet provides. He shouldn't be proud of his office in which he is responsible for future bishops. But he should better hide himself by shame.
The saying, "The road to hell is paved with the skulls of bishops" (paraphrased), is attributed to St. John Chrysostom. Is the Bishop of Rome exempt from that? "It is better that scandal arise than the truth be suppressed." Pope St. Gregory the Great. But what did he know, right?
“The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose. An evil soul producing holy witness Is like a villain with a smiling cheek, A goodly apple rotten at the heart. O, what a goodly outside falsehood hath!” - Shakespeare
Cardinal Ouellet owes his letter to Archbishop Viganò. I wonder if he appreciates that. Where is this brand of leadership and transparency when the laity are being abused on a massive and trans-generational scale by clergy of whose wickedness the Holy Father is unsuspecting? Moreover, "Francis had nothing to do . . ."? That's not a good - good in the sense that Jesus defined the word - statement to make at this time under the current circumstances. The Cardinal, whose position in the Church is arguably as "unbelievable" with this open letter as his characterization of Viganò's assertions regarding the Holy Father, might consider this brand of leadership and transparency when the personal heroics are not so publicly received. Cardinal Ouellet may do well to strike at the root of the current wickedness and, insodoing, quit hacking away at the leaves of his accusations and, indeed, personal judgments, of Archbishop Viganò, of which latter issues, the Word of God teaches, only God and the man may be privy.
Many deceptive techniques used in his language. Persuasive, defensive, assigning motive to others, explaining what was not asked, too many words. Clusters of deceptive indicators. #truthinwords #statementanalysis
Matt thank you for reading this and acknowledging your own bias. We all need to acknowledge our own biases and try to see through the bias of the author of any letter, or article to get to the truth. Bias is normal and should not be used as a basis for ad hominem attacks but the dismissal of views or facts that dont align with our own opinion is not good or healthy. God Bless you for being a good example and keep up the great work!
I have to say I have never been more upset. Confused in my life. Between the lay ministries and Cardinal Vigano accusing the Pope. To the Pope not being man enough to speak up in clear terms. This letter is rubbish.!! Full of pompous blather! My heart is literally and utterly broken. I
Jesus said the gates of hell would not prevail against the Church, so we need to stop worrying that they might. Also we need to trust the Church more than we trust secular powers because although the Church isn't perfect it cares more about children than secularists. 1 Cor 6:1-2 If any of you has a grievance against another, how dare he go to law before the unrighteous instead of before the saints! Do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if you are to judge the world, are you not competent to judge trivial cases?…
@@Arthur_McGowan The Church has never and can never teach that that errors are to be believed by the faithful. The Church can err in other matters but even then when you compare those errors to the errors that the secular world was making at the same time, they were miniscule. Therefore the faithful have good reason not to believe the slander that the world constantly throws at the Church.
The thing is as a 54 yr old Catholic educated - 12 years, I feel that attacking anyone is disgusting behavior from the Vatican or there associates. Either keep quiet or explain - criticizing is child's play & has no plAce in the church hierarchy.
ikr? I'm nearing 60 in a few years, and I'm disgusted with this response. I'm also a substitute teacher, so I hear this kind of thing on a regular basis. No need for it from men who are supposed to be our spiritual fathers.
I'm with the Pope and all the faithful Bishops who teach in union with him. Those who are in open rebellion against the Vicar of Christ are falling away from Christ, whether they know it or not. God help us all.
Francis remaining silent says it all. By not saying or doing anything he is Covering up Publicly, which is worst than covering up privately. I don’t think the Vicar of Christ should lead the Church in that manner. Where is the Mercy and Compassion for the Victims?
They tried to deal with everything inside the Vatican & it didn't work or change anything. This information would have never changed anything - Vigano knew this any choice & had to do this the way he did. How about telling the priest that abused kids or allowed it to repent. So sad.
Cardinal will oppose cardinal, bishop will oppose bishop, and priest will oppose priest. We need to do the St Louis De Monfort consecration to Jesus through Mary, wear our scapular, pray the rosary, and attend the mass as much as possible. The sufferings that are at our doorstep will be WORSE then the great flood. Penance, penance, penance. More souls go to hell because there is no one praying for them.
in the letter he states, I seriously doubt that , this statement alone shows Ouellet was putting forth an opinion and not fact. After what McCarrick said and did, who can we trust?
One might ask why did this video show up now, when finally after two years, the McCarrick Report is released and turns out to be more a condemnation of Archbishop Vigano, than the real crimes of McCarrick. Vigano is a hero in my view and readers of this original sparky review can be better served by listening to Dr. Thomas Marshall on the subject of truth about Carlo Vigano and the current Pope.
As the former head of a seminary and formation in Washington, D.C., I am sorry to say that Ouellet's rebuke toward Viganò is an obfuscation. I very much like and respect him, but he must know and have experienced what I have. While the bishops and major superiors of religious orders have know how extensive and unwieldly the problem is, they have continuously buried the problem under pontifical secrecy or confidentiality. In many cases they promoted the mayhem by encouraging the sexual acting out. But, the seminarians and laity were left vulnerable to sexual predation by the homosexual coterie which was gaining ever increasing power. It wreaked havoc on the seminaries which became hotbeds of both homosexual and heterosexual acting out. Among the lay students at Catholic University, Theological College carried the unfortunate moniker of "the Whorehouse." The seminarians, both gay and straight, were hitting on the lay students, and this situation applied to most religious houses in Washington, D.C. as well. I could positively name only two congregations in Washington, D.C. where this wasn't true - the Missionary Oblates of Mary Immaculate (OMIs) and the Marians of the Immaculate Conception (MICs). The attitude by the bishops, major superiors and formators was to turn a blind eye and maintain silence about the issue sexual promiscuity. In 1985, the Vatican ordered a review of academic studies and formation programs for every seminary and house of formation in the USA to see what in God's name was going on. It was the bishops who were tasked to carry out the investigation, but that decision was tantamount to putting the proverbial "fox in charge of the proverbial chicken coop." Except for some very up front bishops, it was an essentially worthless enterprise of mere smoke and mirrors, and the seminaries and theologates got a clean bill of health. One was expected to maintain silence and "confidentiality," but the silence gave free reign to the attitude and agenda, which was gay power in the Church, and it also allowed the sexual acting out and predation to continue without consequences. Sexually active seminarians and predators alike were ordained. Moreover, to ask someone to maintain confidentiality was tantamount to asking one to be complicit in the protection of the behavior, and it continued and spread. To speak publically was to be cancelled and brought to Coventry as a traitor and untrustworthy, and to carry the accusation of having broken confidentiality. I had to forcefully explain to my father provincial that I would never violate my conscience nor allow anyone else to force me to do so. As for confidentiality, I refuse to include lies and deceptions, even by superiors, to be covered. I and the majority agreed that, if the bishops and superiors held to our moral principles, the Church would never have entered the quagmire in which she finds herself today with the heart wrenching and shameful loss of credibility, the emptying of Churches and dioceses having to declare bankruptcy. But, the real bankruptcy was that of true leadership and moral focus among the leadership. Ouellet's prolix non sequitur does not fly; it is merely complicit in obscuring the truth and prolongs the desperately needed healing of this horrible, spiritual disease that afflicts the Church. The issue of Mr. Ted McCarrick reveals in a spectacular way the full scope of the damage caused by the fell cowardice of some bishops and major superiors and the complicity of others. He voted on two popes and could have been elected pope himself. I ask, "Which of the seven gifts of the Holy Spirit were operative in the bishops' soul in this entire issue.
much appreciated .let's pray that god will haave his way in all this messy situations of sex scandals ,modernists v. trad., and most important is the impact all this will have on the work of our dear lord and saviour .bro. and sis. in d lord take courage .remember saint paul in his letters to tim.put on full armor of god and run the good race and count it all as joy:)
Without a doubt this letter represents the manipulation and hypocrisy the church is accustomed to displayed in their efforts to proclaim the Emissary of the beast to be pious. May God bring clarity and understanding to his children for the salvation of humanity🙏🙏Amen!
Ouellet used to be a brave man, orthodox and solid; back then he was drinking from the waters of the St. Lawrence. Then he went to Vatican City and began to drink from the poisoned waters of the Tiber. Now he has become little more than a lickspittle for this disastrous pope. Sad.
I am probably Biast too, I understand that, But For me Cardinal Vigarno is the True Shepherd leading Our Church and Faith in the Correct Direction? I think His Loyalty to Our Holy Mother and Church is Like St Michael, defender in Battle, defender of Our Church ! For Me, this letter back to Vigarno is Contemptible in Every way and Disgusting at Least to Me ? Of Course only my Opinion, and Possibly One Sided, But my Option, and I am sticking With it ! God Bless Cardinal Vigarno, St Michael, Protect Him in Battle, against all Evil ,Wickedness and Snares of The Devil? Thank U for Sharing this Letter, much Appreciated, and Greetings from an elderly Australian Catholic Gentlemen !
Just as a side note, there is a part of the St. Michael's prayer that was omitted that is of extreme importance. "...and by the power of God, cast into Hell Satan." Let us not forget that all authority comes from God. Even the devil is on a leash and acts according to the will of God.
I am British and I understand you, my Aussie friend. O, God help us. Ouellet Vs Vigano....Both have crosiers. One has a mitre and a red hat. His brother in Christ has a mitre and a purple hat. One is superior in heirarchy to the other but who is greater in faith, holiness and courage? Coming to a church near you. Wouldn't that be great? Sorry, got carried away there. The fact is that Ouellet's letter to Vigano makes me feel sick.
I thought it was odd that he didn't address Vigano as a cleric, as his title as Archbishop. He's calls him "brother" but that's it. Very odd and a bit disrespectful, in my opinion.
With all due respect to Cardinal Ouelette, I don't understand any of his logic. Archbishop Vigano' can still pray for Pope Francis at Mass while accusing him of neglecting his duties. For example, I hate almost everything Hilary Clinton stands for, but that doesn't mean I can't pray for her. The language Cardinal Ouelette uses seems to also deny that the Holy Father could ever do anything wrong.
I’m trying to find my way back to the Catholic faith after years of being a lapsed Catholic. But I’m so confused about what is going on and what to believe. I’m just so lost.
Marie certainly understable how you feel. Continue your faith hopefully with a good faithful priest. Join a church ministry,i think you can tell if person or persons are being faithful to God. I dont think its possible to have strong holy priests in all cities . I think its not only gay clergy,its priests who are tired or depressed . Maybe one or two priests who feel its their church. Priests who rather not change their schedules. Of course, there could be problems with its people... God bless us all.
Thank you for your kind words. Maybe I need to go back to basics with my faith. So much seems to be happening in the Catholic Church at the moment and it’s heart breaking. The last time I followed the Catholic Faith I was young and the only information that I received was at mass. The internet and TH-cam were only starting out at that time. But with all that is going on please God in the long run this will make us more untied and stronger.
I appreciate the opening commentary about bias. As you so astutely point out, we all have bias and we must recognize and admit our own bias so that we be aware of how it colors our perceptions. I am most admittedly biased against Pope Francis, not out of animus or dislike for him personally, but due to the constant outpouring of confusing and misleading statements that have marked his pontificate from the beginning. His failure to address this issue straight on and answer the charges against him only further to reinforce my bias. So I do approach the Oulette letter with some bias. With this in mind.... In the preamble of this letter, if you will, Oulette charges Vigano with gravely undermining the reputation of the bishops. Now I ask, is it the charges that Vigano asserts that damage the reputation of the bishops or is it the ACTIONS of the bishops that undermine their reputation? Should gravely sinful behavior on the part of Bishops never be revealed because it will undermine their "reputation"? Francis likens Vigano to Satan because he is the great accuser, yet it seems that Vigano has told the TRUTH, which is not a hallmark of Satan. Oulette on the other hand, accuses Vigano of undermining the reputation of the bishops, a accusation that is false because if Vigano tells the TRUTH he merely reveals the undermining which has already occured. This FALSE accusation of Oulette's does bear the mark of Satan. Will Pope Francis liken Oulette to Satan for his accusations against Vigano. I will not hold my breath. Perhaps I am biased but I believe the unbiased facts will vindicate my bias.
Even Paul (Vigano) rebuked Peter for his stance on gentiles entering the church. It took a heavenly dream by Peter and a the Second Pentecost to adjust Peter's thinking. They argued and Paul was correct.
Scott Hahn suggesrs that predators be excommunicated for their own good.If sincere repentance occurs then the repentant person may be reintegrated. Personally I'm in favour of incarceration where it's deemed judicial.
Love my Catholic faith. I will always be Catholic, because it is my Home. Home of the Apostles, Home of the Sacraments, Home of the Eucharist. The true Church. Do not judge any priest by association. A vast majority are faithful followers and love our Lord. Many were innocent. And the ones who are not, who are we to judge? God does not have dementia. He sees our heart, He sees our motives, no Saint ever got to Heaven by bashing the Vicar of Christ here on earth. I DO NOT DWELL WITH THIS. I am at Mass for the Eucharist and the Gospel. Anything else I give to God. You wouldn't leave Jesus for Judas right? Many Judas's in the Church. God Bless all our priests and Holy Mother Church. NONE HERE know whether ANY priest had repented. None can judge. Lord remember me.
I believe Cardinal Ouellet, why would he lie blatantly. He has great responsibility as head of the congregation for Bishops and knows more "inside information" than any one else. The letter though tough is still brotherly and we have to assess the facts as they really are.
I find it sad that it has come to all this.....he said she said.....I feel Cardinal Oullet is trying to put Archbishop Vigano in a bad light, he seems to be over defending Pope Francis. The truth will come out in all this! Prayers for all involved.
Cardinal Ouellet did far more to sow division in the Church by this letter. Seriously? "How can you pray for the Holy Father when you offer Mass? Or pray to St. Michael the Archangel?" What kind of a thing is that to write in a public letter? Is Cdl. Ouellet afraid of being bumped off or what?
Yeah, right. Ouellet just signed his ticket to he11. And he exposed why so many Christians do not accept the RCC as legitimate. Seriously - do you really think 'obedience' means 'doing evil' and 'covering your assets to protect your career and your reputation? ... His letter was a contemptuous and condescending admission that he prefers his career over truth and justice. And any fool that tolerates that is going to find himself on the wrong side.
Matt. I adore your show. Now this last round of cardinal sparring has left me numb. I’ve been catholic for 53 years. Since day I was born. I love my faith but I’m not sure Jesus is present in our parishes anymore. I’m not sure the Holy Spirit is guiding any clergy. I think they just want our donations and then we should shut the hell up. This is truly sad. Xoxo I pray Jesus purifies his church soon.
Ouellet is a company man who appears to have lost his understanding of the actual authority the Pope holds in our Church ... meaning the Pope doesn't speak for Christ our King unless he speaks ex Cathedra.... outside of that he is the Bishop of Rome .... Also what did Vigano do to cause him to be considered by Ouellet as anathema ? Because Vigano raises concerns that Pope Francis refuses to address ? Very very disappointing and painful to see Ouellet's true character .......May God have mercy on us all because I believe the battle has only begun ...
Summary of Cardinal Ouillet's missive: I'm in tight with Pope Francis, and I'm not about to commit political suicide. Cardinal Ouillet seems to think that papal infallibility is synonymous to papal impeccability. The tone was very "how dare you sir!"
All that letter has is deflection and lies. Circular reasoning and so much more. That bishop essentially takes the protestant understanding of papal infallibility and applies it against Viagano, resulting in the idea that any form of criticism is somehow blasphemous. Those bishops better stop worrying about their so-called “reputation” (which to anyone who doesn’t live under a rock, they have none) and start worrying about their judgement.
Maybe the pope won't respond, and correct me if I'm wrong, because it would be infallible. His response would affect the whole Church, after all, and assuming he is trying to cover up the scandal, this would require that he tell the truth. And I do believe he does good, he was recently examined for possible heresy when speaking of remarriage. As I said before, correct me if I'm wrong, this is just a guess as to why he might not be responding. EDIT: I was wrong about the whole infallible thing. Sorry.
Thanks Sophia, no, infallibility only applies to the Church's faith and morals. Pope Francis couldn't say, "I infallibly declare that I had nothing to do with this." You might be interested in the episode that came out today from Pints With Aquinas on infallibility --> pintswithaquinas.com/podcast/what-is-papal-infallibility/
No, no, no. The pope is only 'infallible' in matters of faith and morals, when he solemnly teaches, from the chair of Peter, that such-and-such a teaching is binding. That is, you have to believe - for example - that Mary is the mother of God (not just Jesus's body or his human nature) or you are outside the teaching of the Church. From Catholic Answers: An infallible pronouncement-whether made by the pope alone or by an ecumenical council-usually is made only when some doctrine has been called into question. Most doctrines have never been doubted by the large majority of Catholics. The last time a pope spoke infallibly was 1950 - so there have been several popes in living memory who have never spoken infallibly: no need. You can look up papal infallibility on the Vatican website, Catholic Answers, or read this article on Canon Law Made Easy: canonlawmadeeasy.com/2011/02/17/when-does-the-pope-speak-infallibly/
As a dyslexic man I appreciate that you read these because it is very tedious for me. God bless you and the Virgin protect you
The "virgin" has not been assigned to protect anyone. The Bible is silent on that matter. You are completely duped and LOST.
@@mojo7495 if you truly knew Mary you might understand.
1st she is the mother of Jesus. How would you feel if someone disrespected your mom?
2nd she is the arc of the new covenet as the old arc carried arrons staff(priesthood) manna from the desert(Gods bread) and the word of God written on stone(Gods word) Mary carried the high priest, the living bread, and the word made flesh in her womb. Also she traveled to the wilderness for 3 months as kind david did. The arc was brought to him and he danced and lept for joy in front of it and stated" how is it that the arc of the covenet should come to me?" And when Mary met Elizabeth she said "how is it the mother of my Lord should come to me?" And John lept for joy in her womb.
Mary is the woman of genesis which will have enmity with the serpent who is the woman of revelation wearing a crown of 12 stars and from the cross Jesus called Her woman when talking to the apostle whom He loved.
There are many other examples like king soliman and his mother showing how Jesus would setup His kingdom in heaven
How Mary would recieve the swords of sorrow.
If you can not have Mary as your mother you shall never have Jesus as your brother
My original statement was that THE BIBLE is silent on the matter of all the gaudy titles the RCC has heaped upon her. You turn the subject around and tell us about your "deep tradition", which was NOT on the table for discussion, NOR are
traditions to be held on the same level as Holy Writ (which is what the RCC
bogusly teaches to dupe their members). Scripture reigns supreme. Thus, when your filthy catechism states to bring "ALL YOUR CARES" to Mary (CCC 2677) true Christians evaluate that claim
and REJECT your tradition because Scripture refutes it in no uncertain terms! We are told to bring all our cares to CHRIST, period, end of story (1 Peter 5:7, Phil 4:6-7, Heb 4:15-16).
Your response, although sincere, is UNBIBLICAL for far too many reasons to list
here. You are reading into Scripture what you want and coming to erroneous
conclusions to justify RC belief and practice. When the Holy Spirit wants to make a comparison with something for our instruction, He TELL US. SO many examples could be cited. But what Catholics do is to make comparisons which God has
NOT mentioned and then rest their eternal souls on it. True Christians will have
none of it. And by the way, if you insist that Mary is the woman of Rev 12, you
seem to forget that the woman there was having labor pains. Labor pains were
given to women as a result of Eve's sin, showing that God decreed all who bear
children would go through it, as all men would go through having to work by the
sweat of our brow to make a living. If Mary had labor pains, that means she was a sinner like everyone else---and oh my, now what will you do? Face it, your theology is debunked by this one example alone, and I could easily engage with the
others. That being so, Catholicism must be branded as counterfeit Christianity.
@@mojo7495 "Scripture reigns supreme"?
"... filthy catechism"?
My good sir, you are in error. Whoever it is that has led you to believe these things does not have your best interests in mind, but instead desires infinite misery for you, and along the way for you to drag as many others into grievous mortal error as possible.
The Catholic Church, instituted by Our Lord Jesus as documented by Holy Scripture in Mt 16:15-19, exists to save your eternal soul from that fate. For your own good, kindly reconsider your position.
4:58 is absolutely disgusting. His concern isn't that Vigano was lying. His concern was that Vigano was hurting the reputation of the churches leaders. Unbelievable. They just don't get it. They really don't get it.
May God use the state to chastise them and purify the church. These types of people, those who care more for their reputation than abuse victims, should be in prison
Keith P exactly. Amen. I pray for this.
My thoughts exactly, it's like they're blinded. It's spooky.
Keith P they are the main actors of the clericalism Francis is denouncing...! Clericalism is giving to the clergy a power they have not. To Oullet the most important is he thought he and his colleagues were semi-gods and Viganò is showing some of them are the worst. It is a typical example of killing the messenger because I don’t like the message... Pathetic
What AB Vigano and many other people have done against the Pope in this matter (in AB Vigano's case, he has mentioned many Bishops and Cardinals in accusing them of cover up the case) has really tarnished the Church and counter-evangelisation. Read that so many similar comments such as: "I am glad I have left the Church"...and some church haters said "Catholics are satanists".... Aren't we sad that all these comments have let people to believe that the Church is a bad organisation and thus should not be credible? Isn't it part of our creed: I believe in one Holy and Catholic Church... ?
Benny Efendie it is the job of the faithful to evict and publicly expose false preachers in sheep’s clothing and remove them from the church (as was made clear in the bible: go read all of St Paul’s Letters). Do not dare to shift the blame! What tarnishes the church are lying priests, priest child molesters and priests who promote sexual immorality, false teachings and lies. it is these bishops and cardinals that god will condemn to hell. The Jewish Pharisee priest had the mandate of the Heavenly Father to be his temple priests but when they betrayed the teachings of God; our lord Jesus Christ spoke out publicly and exposed them. The church is now Cleaning house. What will be left is a pure faithful remanent. These few faithful will be the grounds of the new evangelisation where the faith is real and credible, so stop playing the sneaky lawyer and blaming those who expose these criminals and satanists (as they do their father’s work).
I thank you profusely for all your efforts for informing the church
Despite your dramatic rendition, if this open letter to Vigano was to restore spiritual brotherhood it should not have contained veiled threats. Vigano is to be a martyr. One only has to see how this ends. Pray for Vigano. To speak truth to power one must have a brave heart andeyes on Christ the King. JMJ
Bingo.
Catholicism is counterfeit Christianity, so you can scream JMJ till yer blue in the face
and you will still receive a passport to hell on that final day.
Division is the devil’s #1 tactic. Reconciliation is the key to defeat it.
Almighty God, have mercy on us! I pray in Jesus Name, Amen.
Division is sometimes needed to expose wrong doings. Jesus did this at times in his dealings with those who chose not to do Gods will but their own.
I’m biased toward Vigano, and I want to hear his response. I do think Oullet seems more concerned with protecting the reputation of bishops and Francis than anything else?? But he does kinda directly address some of Vigano’s claims and idk how to figure it all. Vigano should respond. However I think he’s still credible, and my bias and some other things I’ve read and heard about the Pope’s behavior and history and attitude make me doubt Oullet
Jared Johnson Francis is wholly corrupt. He was born, raised, and lived in a world of corruption. He is completely devoid of integrity. I don't think he knows what he is supposed to be doing. He is a complete hypocrite.
Vigano should not become visible. The tone of Ouellet makes it clear he is betraying Vigano to Francis. This is a tactic to draw Vigano out where he may be vulnerable. It's a political move of the kind he claims Vigano is attempting. Pray for Vigano. The Church is hurting, but still protected by Christ.
Very good point about the general bias...👍🏻😉
About Oullet’s letter. To me it was clear if he was answering he would do it siding the Pope. For one simple reason: it is too risky going on Viganò ‘a side. Card. Oullet has a very important post in the Vatican, which means he is “professionally “ really successful: important job, good salary, great benefits and recognition in the Church. If he sides Viganò, he is immediately losing all that! (look what has happened with the cardinals who have openly opposed Francis: Burke, Sarah, Muller...). Plus he should probably go into hiding as Viganò. One has to be really , really, really courageous to do that... This said, it is also possible that he really believes what he has stated in his letter... I have tried my best to read his letter from his shoes...but I cannot avoid reading between the lines his upset ness for the position in which Viganò has put him by specifically pointing out to him as the person who can access those documents. I don’t believe him. He has far too much to lose by siding Viganò, and a lot to maintain just denying it and siding Francis. On the other side Viganò has lost everything by denouncing all this, and he keeps on repeating the same statements. Why would he mention this cardinal if it was not true that this cardinal knows the truth and can support him??? I am afraid that they will fake a thorough investigation and they will conclude all was false and Viganò is a poor insane man... We really have to pray a lot for the Church...
Here's the summary: Yes, there were sanctions given by Pope Benedict, but the extent and evidence wasn't fully known. Pope Francis didn't really care much and must not have thought there was enough evidence to believe them [like he did in Chile, when he attacked the victims], so he lifted the sanctions. But Vigano is the bad guy because he hurt the reputation of church leaders. The majority of the letter decries him hurting the church leaders reputation, very little concern about victims or getting to the bottom of the scandal is given.
Keith P exactly. And even in Argentina I have evidence of Bergoglio’s crimes using church money to order books to be created by an attorney to influence the judicial system to defend and already convicted child predator father Grassi
Oh! You must have missed it!! That part where doing nothing demonstrates RESPECT for the victims! Don’t forget about that part!!
What do you heretics stand to gain by slandering the Pope? Oh yea division of the church in America into 1. Conservative Catholic Church 2. Liberal Catholic Church. Stop this tendency towards schism and trust in the Lord
@@bpcathcrusader4952 do you defend the Borgia popes and the Pornocracy popes?
Criticizing a pope's actions are valid. Believing he is impeccable and above criticism is papolatry. What we can't do is deny any dogma of faith and morals. That's schism. Criticizing his human actions is not schism.
Keith P it is not popalatry to defend the pope from idiotic attacks that say he supports child molestation and homosexuality among priests. This is a western cultural problem that has infiltrated the church. In the universal Catholic Church there are around 500,000 priests and around 5,000 bishops. To say that there is a HUGE homosexual problem among the priests is slander and a lie. Calling for witch hunts against priests who have homosexual inclinations and still lead celibate Holy lives is not catholic. All this talk of church purification sounds more Calvinist Protestant than Catholic. We should pray for the proper formation of priests and religious and pray for holiness of the formators of the priests in the seminaries. The Catholic Church does not have a homosexual problem in Asia, Eastern Europe, Africa, Middle East and much of South America. Reform is always part of conversion and preaching the gospel
Thank you Matt. Pope Benedict did impose penalties on the head of the Legionairies. So there is precedent in his Pontificat for taking corrective action. Also Archbishop Vigano has a very good reputation so I dismiss the attack that he has a history of deceptive tactics. He would not have reached his position if he could not be trusted. I would like the current Pope Francis to tell us plainly if he knew of the homosexual predation of Archbishop McCarrick directly. Pope Francis believes in openess and directness and now I believe we need it from him. What is so hard about saying he knew nothing if that is the truth!
Francis is not going to say anything. He does not care to clear up anything. He just causes more confusion and confusion is not of God.
I support Cardinal Vigano. There is too much going on. We can not continue to bury our heads in the sand and pretend our leaders have not dropped the ball.
Thank you for reading this out loud. For me reading this letter myself is like me reading Shakespeare. When someone else reads it out loud I then can interpret it. Thank you for keeping us informed.
Virgine Mary told us about this era...
God bless you too!
Thanks
"Condemning" the Pope; I never thought Vigano was condemning the Pope. I still support Vigano. This
letter has not changed my mind about Vigano.
All of this breaks my heart. I hate to see my beautiful Church be torn apart by factions inside and outside of the Church. Christ demanded unity. We have failed Him.
Clericalism is cancer, and this letter is dripping with it.
@Anton Babani Not necessarily. You know neither me, nor my opinions. My criticism on the letter from Ouellet is more a linguistic one, than an expression of my own drothers. There's a lot of "respect his words because of his office," but I'm this case, the Pope's words are not those of the office, but of the man, thus far.
Hardly. I'm blaming the very human men who fail publicly and ministerially in adherence to the name they represent. Then again, I do define "clericalism" rather differently than many I've heard, so perhaps, in that regard, I'm not blaming "clericalism" as such, but rather what I define as clericalism.
Personally, I feel more inclined to believe in Msgr Viganó's letters, and it doesn't prove it, but he seems to have placed a lot on the line by his testimonies, and I don't think someone would do that unless they were telling the truth. I'm glad the cardinal actually did respond, I think it's better than Francis's previous silence, but above, hopefully the truth of these things will be made plain, simple, and clear.
I'm shocked that Cardinal Ouellet penned this response. I expected him to side with Cardinal Viganò. Maybe his response is yet another revelation of why Holy Mother Church is declining and suffering from heresies in Canada.
"except for what I mentioned to you verbally about his situation as Bishop emeritus and certain conditions and restrictions that he had to follow on account of some rumors about his past conduct."
Is he aware he just admitted something?- Ouellet that is.
Thanks Matt. I do think that there is a definite lack of clarity in some of the Holy Father's (far too many in my humble opinion ) comments. This is something we absolutely don't need today, I think we've had just about all the confusion we can handle since the sixties. Keep up the good work. God Bless.
Matt, thank you for taking the time to share openly these opposing letters.
Thanks Matt
“On the other hand, the fact that there may be persons in the Vatican who practice and support behavior contrary to Gospel values regarding sexuality, does not authorize us to generalize and declare this or that person as unworthy and as accomplices, even including the Holy Father himself. Should not the ministers of truth be the first to avoid calumny and defamation themselves?...” Cardinal Oullet
Oh really, Cardinal Ouellet ? Yes, who better has a right and a duty to expose those in the Church who pretend to hold Gospel values, and yet support behavior contrary to those values, than a man who has witnessed this behavior first hand? Please release the documents of which Archbishop Vigano speaks. This is the true way for you to exonerate those who have been accused!
Yeah, that was pretty stupid.
Cardinal Ouellet should excuse himself instead of accusing others. He is responsible for the designation of many bishops that now show up as very bad. In the room of the congregation of faith a priest was arrested by the police in a homosexual orgia with drugs. This man was assigned for episcopate. This are the future bishops cardinal Ouellet provides. He shouldn't be proud of his office in which he is responsible for future bishops. But he should better hide himself by shame.
Thank you Matt!
Beautiful letter! Thanks for sharing that.
When you realize what really goes on - it's heartbreaking.
The saying, "The road to hell is paved with the skulls of bishops" (paraphrased), is attributed to St. John Chrysostom. Is the Bishop of Rome exempt from that?
"It is better that scandal arise than the truth be suppressed." Pope St. Gregory the Great. But what did he know, right?
“The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose.
An evil soul producing holy witness
Is like a villain with a smiling cheek,
A goodly apple rotten at the heart.
O, what a goodly outside falsehood hath!”
- Shakespeare
Cardinal Ouellet owes his letter to Archbishop Viganò. I wonder if he appreciates that. Where is this brand of leadership and transparency when the laity are being abused on a massive and trans-generational scale by clergy of whose wickedness the Holy Father is unsuspecting? Moreover, "Francis had nothing to do . . ."? That's not a good - good in the sense that Jesus defined the word - statement to make at this time under the current circumstances. The Cardinal, whose position in the Church is arguably as "unbelievable" with this open letter as his characterization of Viganò's assertions regarding the Holy Father, might consider this brand of leadership and transparency when the personal heroics are not so publicly received. Cardinal Ouellet may do well to strike at the root of the current wickedness and, insodoing, quit hacking away at the leaves of his accusations and, indeed, personal judgments, of Archbishop Viganò, of which latter issues, the Word of God teaches, only God and the man may be privy.
I am asking for the release and publication of the Gagnon Report
Many deceptive techniques used in his language. Persuasive, defensive, assigning motive to others, explaining what was not asked, too many words. Clusters of deceptive indicators.
#truthinwords
#statementanalysis
Outstanding... reading... your accent brings to life the nuances....
Matt thank you for reading this and acknowledging your own bias. We all need to acknowledge our own biases and try to see through the bias of the author of any letter, or article to get to the truth. Bias is normal and should not be used as a basis for ad hominem attacks but the dismissal of views or facts that dont align with our own opinion is not good or healthy. God Bless you for being a good example and keep up the great work!
Thank you ,facts and truth matter .🙏
Well done, thank you.
I have to say I have never been more upset. Confused in my life. Between the lay ministries and Cardinal Vigano accusing the Pope. To the Pope not being man enough to speak up in clear terms. This letter is rubbish.!! Full of pompous blather! My heart is literally and utterly broken. I
Sounds like it was written by Francis himself. I don't think it adds much to the story.
Jesus said the gates of hell would not prevail against the Church, so we need to stop worrying that they might. Also we need to trust the Church more than we trust secular powers because although the Church isn't perfect it cares more about children than secularists.
1 Cor 6:1-2 If any of you has a grievance against another, how dare he go to law before the unrighteous instead of before the saints! Do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if you are to judge the world, are you not competent to judge trivial cases?…
@@Arthur_McGowan The Church has never and can never teach that that errors are to be believed by the faithful. The Church can err in other matters but even then when you compare those errors to the errors that the secular world was making at the same time, they were miniscule. Therefore the faithful have good reason not to believe the slander that the world constantly throws at the Church.
6:57 confirms that McCarrick was under sanctions by Pope Benedict.
The thing is as a 54 yr old Catholic educated - 12 years, I feel that attacking anyone is disgusting behavior from the Vatican or there associates. Either keep quiet or explain - criticizing is child's play & has no plAce in the church hierarchy.
ikr? I'm nearing 60 in a few years, and I'm disgusted with this response. I'm also a substitute teacher, so I hear this kind of thing on a regular basis. No need for it from men who are supposed to be our spiritual fathers.
I'm with the Pope and all the faithful Bishops who teach in union with him.
Those who are in open rebellion against the Vicar of Christ are falling away from Christ, whether they know it or not. God help us all.
Francis remaining silent says it all. By not saying or doing anything he is Covering up Publicly, which is worst than covering up privately. I don’t think the Vicar of Christ should lead the Church in that manner. Where is the Mercy and Compassion for the Victims?
They tried to deal with everything inside the Vatican & it didn't work or change anything. This information would have never changed anything - Vigano knew this any choice & had to do this the way he did. How about telling the priest that abused kids or allowed it to repent. So sad.
How does one make the sign of the cross? Left and then right, or right then left?
Exactly what I expected from someone who feels he’s above criticism.
The truth hurts, but Viganò is right.
Cardinal will oppose cardinal, bishop will oppose bishop, and priest will oppose priest. We need to do the St Louis De Monfort consecration to Jesus through Mary, wear our scapular, pray the rosary, and attend the mass as much as possible. The sufferings that are at our doorstep will be WORSE then the great flood. Penance, penance, penance. More souls go to hell because there is no one praying for them.
Sts Peter and Paul, pray for us
Ugh. Oullete is bought... I kept listening because of the reader's soothing voice. God bless ya'all. This world is NOT our Home!!
"This person needs to get back on decaff" This literally made me LOL! Thanks Matt for all you do.
in the letter he states, I seriously doubt that , this statement alone shows Ouellet was putting forth an opinion and not fact. After what McCarrick said and did, who can we trust?
One might ask why did this video show up now, when finally after two years, the McCarrick Report is released and turns out to be more a condemnation of Archbishop Vigano, than the real crimes of McCarrick.
Vigano is a hero in my view and readers of this original sparky review can be better served by listening to Dr. Thomas Marshall on the subject of truth about Carlo Vigano and the current Pope.
He’s Gaslighting ...
Matthew 7:16 reads, "Ye shall know them by their fruits."
As the former head of a seminary and formation in Washington, D.C., I am sorry to say that Ouellet's rebuke toward Viganò is an obfuscation. I very much like and respect him, but he must know and have experienced what I have. While the bishops and major superiors of religious orders have know how extensive and unwieldly the problem is, they have continuously buried the problem under pontifical secrecy or confidentiality. In many cases they promoted the mayhem by encouraging the sexual acting out. But, the seminarians and laity were left vulnerable to sexual predation by the homosexual coterie which was gaining ever increasing power. It wreaked havoc on the seminaries which became hotbeds of both homosexual and heterosexual acting out. Among the lay students at Catholic University, Theological College carried the unfortunate moniker of "the Whorehouse." The seminarians, both gay and straight, were hitting on the lay students, and this situation applied to most religious houses in Washington, D.C. as well. I could positively name only two congregations in Washington, D.C. where this wasn't true - the Missionary Oblates of Mary Immaculate (OMIs) and the Marians of the Immaculate Conception (MICs). The attitude by the bishops, major superiors and formators was to turn a blind eye and maintain silence about the issue sexual promiscuity. In 1985, the Vatican ordered a review of academic studies and formation programs for every seminary and house of formation in the USA to see what in God's name was going on. It was the bishops who were tasked to carry out the investigation, but that decision was tantamount to putting the proverbial "fox in charge of the proverbial chicken coop." Except for some very up front bishops, it was an essentially worthless enterprise of mere smoke and mirrors, and the seminaries and theologates got a clean bill of health. One was expected to maintain silence and "confidentiality," but the silence gave free reign to the attitude and agenda, which was gay power in the Church, and it also allowed the sexual acting out and predation to continue without consequences. Sexually active seminarians and predators alike were ordained. Moreover, to ask someone to maintain confidentiality was tantamount to asking one to be complicit in the protection of the behavior, and it continued and spread. To speak publically was to be cancelled and brought to Coventry as a traitor and untrustworthy, and to carry the accusation of having broken confidentiality. I had to forcefully explain to my father provincial that I would never violate my conscience nor allow anyone else to force me to do so. As for confidentiality, I refuse to include lies and deceptions, even by superiors, to be covered. I and the majority agreed that, if the bishops and superiors held to our moral principles, the Church would never have entered the quagmire in which she finds herself today with the heart wrenching and shameful loss of credibility, the emptying of Churches and dioceses having to declare bankruptcy. But, the real bankruptcy was that of true leadership and moral focus among the leadership. Ouellet's prolix non sequitur does not fly; it is merely complicit in obscuring the truth and prolongs the desperately needed healing of this horrible, spiritual disease that afflicts the Church. The issue of Mr. Ted McCarrick reveals in a spectacular way the full scope of the damage caused by the fell cowardice of some bishops and major superiors and the complicity of others. He voted on two popes and could have been elected pope himself. I ask, "Which of the seven gifts of the Holy Spirit were operative in the bishops' soul in this entire issue.
much appreciated .let's pray that god will haave his way in all this messy situations of sex scandals ,modernists v. trad., and most important is the impact all this will have on the work of our dear lord and saviour .bro. and sis. in d lord take courage .remember saint paul in his letters to tim.put on full armor of god and run the good race and count it all as joy:)
Without a doubt this letter represents the manipulation and hypocrisy the church is accustomed to displayed in their efforts to proclaim the Emissary of the beast to be pious. May God bring clarity and understanding to his children for the salvation of humanity🙏🙏Amen!
So sad - the church our parents taught us about doesn't exist - probably hasn't existed in years.
Ouellet used to be a brave man, orthodox and solid; back then he was drinking from the waters of the St. Lawrence. Then he went to Vatican City and began to drink from the poisoned waters of the Tiber. Now he has become little more than a lickspittle for this disastrous pope. Sad.
McCarrick was asked not to make appearances to “prevent rumors”? Lol ok
I am probably Biast too, I understand that, But For me Cardinal Vigarno is the True Shepherd leading Our Church and Faith in the Correct Direction?
I think His Loyalty to Our Holy Mother and Church is Like St Michael, defender in Battle, defender of Our Church !
For Me, this letter back to Vigarno is Contemptible in Every way and Disgusting at Least to Me ?
Of Course only my Opinion, and Possibly One Sided, But my Option, and I am sticking With it !
God Bless Cardinal Vigarno, St Michael, Protect Him in Battle, against all Evil ,Wickedness and Snares of The Devil?
Thank U for Sharing this Letter, much Appreciated, and Greetings from an elderly Australian Catholic Gentlemen !
Wow! Someone drank the Kool-Aid, didn't they?
Just as a side note, there is a part of the St. Michael's prayer that was omitted that is of extreme importance. "...and by the power of God, cast into Hell Satan." Let us not forget that all authority comes from God. Even the devil is on a leash and acts according to the will of God.
I inserted it in my mind :)
I am British and I understand you, my Aussie friend. O, God help us. Ouellet Vs Vigano....Both have crosiers. One has a mitre and a red hat. His brother in Christ has a mitre and a purple hat. One is superior in heirarchy to the other but who is greater in faith, holiness and courage? Coming to a church near you. Wouldn't that be great? Sorry, got carried away there. The fact is that Ouellet's letter to Vigano makes me feel sick.
I'm disappointed in Cardinal Ouellet.
I thought it was odd that he didn't address Vigano as a cleric, as his title as Archbishop. He's calls him "brother" but that's it. Very odd and a bit disrespectful, in my opinion.
With all due respect to Cardinal Ouelette, I don't understand any of his logic. Archbishop Vigano' can still pray for Pope Francis at Mass while accusing him of neglecting his duties. For example, I hate almost everything Hilary Clinton stands for, but that doesn't mean I can't pray for her. The language Cardinal Ouelette uses seems to also deny that the Holy Father could ever do anything wrong.
Shame on you for not keeping separation of church and state
I’m trying to find my way back to the Catholic faith after years of being a lapsed Catholic. But I’m so confused about what is going on and what to believe. I’m just so lost.
Marie certainly understable how you feel. Continue your faith hopefully with a good faithful priest. Join a church ministry,i think you can tell if person or persons are being faithful to God. I dont think its possible to have strong holy priests in all cities . I think its not only gay clergy,its priests who are tired or depressed . Maybe one or two priests who feel its their church. Priests who rather not change their schedules. Of course, there could be problems with its people... God bless us all.
I don't know what i can say to help you marie. So i will pray for you.
@@Renata-em3sq praying is doing something because you care. Thank you.
Thank you for your kind words. Maybe I need to go back to basics with my faith. So much seems to be happening in the Catholic Church at the moment and it’s heart breaking. The last time I followed the Catholic Faith I was young and the only information that I received was at mass. The internet and TH-cam were only starting out at that time. But with all that is going on please God in the long run this will make us more untied and stronger.
@@MarieC82 Amen and Amen.
Mr. Matt Fradd ...."stop judging by mere appearances, but instead judge correctly."
I appreciate the opening commentary about bias. As you so astutely point out, we all have bias and we must recognize and admit our own bias so that we be aware of how it colors our perceptions. I am most admittedly biased against Pope Francis, not out of animus or dislike for him personally, but due to the constant outpouring of confusing and misleading statements that have marked his pontificate from the beginning. His failure to address this issue straight on and answer the charges against him only further to reinforce my bias. So I do approach the Oulette letter with some bias. With this in mind....
In the preamble of this letter, if you will, Oulette charges Vigano with gravely undermining the reputation of the bishops. Now I ask, is it the charges that Vigano asserts that damage the reputation of the bishops or is it the ACTIONS of the bishops that undermine their reputation? Should gravely sinful behavior on the part of Bishops never be revealed because it will undermine their "reputation"? Francis likens Vigano to Satan because he is the great accuser, yet it seems that Vigano has told the TRUTH, which is not a hallmark of Satan. Oulette on the other hand, accuses Vigano of undermining the reputation of the bishops, a accusation that is false because if Vigano tells the TRUTH he merely reveals the undermining which has already occured. This FALSE accusation of Oulette's does bear the mark of Satan. Will Pope Francis liken Oulette to Satan for his accusations against Vigano. I will not hold my breath. Perhaps I am biased but I believe the unbiased facts will vindicate my bias.
Even Paul (Vigano) rebuked Peter for his stance on gentiles entering the church. It took a heavenly dream by Peter and a the Second Pentecost to adjust Peter's thinking. They argued and Paul was correct.
St. Paul rebuked Cephas of the 70, not Peter of the 12
Scott Hahn suggesrs that predators be excommunicated for their own good.If sincere repentance occurs then the repentant person may be reintegrated. Personally I'm in favour of incarceration where it's deemed judicial.
No. The truth stands on its own. It isnt subjective.
This is a time of trial. Keeps you eyes in Jesus and pray like never before.
Wolf in sheep's clothing trying to keep the blanket over the evil !which has been exposed to the light!
God bless you
Love my Catholic faith. I will always be Catholic, because it is my Home. Home of the Apostles, Home of the Sacraments, Home of the Eucharist. The true Church. Do not judge any priest by association. A vast majority are faithful followers and love our Lord. Many were innocent. And the ones who are not, who are we to judge? God does not have dementia. He sees our heart, He sees our motives, no Saint ever got to Heaven by bashing the Vicar of Christ here on earth. I DO NOT DWELL WITH THIS. I am at Mass for the Eucharist and the Gospel. Anything else I give to God. You wouldn't leave Jesus for Judas right? Many Judas's in the Church. God Bless all our priests and Holy Mother Church. NONE HERE know whether ANY priest had repented. None can judge. Lord remember me.
I believe Cardinal Ouellet, why would he lie blatantly. He has great responsibility as head of the congregation for Bishops and knows more "inside information" than any one else. The letter though tough is still brotherly and we have to assess the facts as they really are.
"How can you offer Mass and pray for the pope? Or pray to St. Michael the Archangel?" < not brotherly
You made the sign of the Cross incorrectly. Puzzled.
Very reasonable and even tempered response, but I still side with Vigano.
I am old and eyes not good. Thanks for reading this.
I find it sad that it has come to all this.....he said she said.....I feel Cardinal Oullet is trying to put Archbishop Vigano in a bad light, he seems to be over defending Pope Francis. The truth will come out in all this! Prayers for all involved.
Cardinal Ouellet did far more to sow division in the Church by this letter. Seriously? "How can you pray for the Holy Father when you offer Mass? Or pray to St. Michael the Archangel?" What kind of a thing is that to write in a public letter? Is Cdl. Ouellet afraid of being bumped off or what?
Matt Fradd, you have a great great channel.
Oullet has papal aspirations. Go along to get along.
Yeah, right. Ouellet just signed his ticket to he11. And he exposed why so many Christians do not accept the RCC as legitimate. Seriously - do you really think 'obedience' means 'doing evil' and 'covering your assets to protect your career and your reputation? ... His letter was a contemptuous and condescending admission that he prefers his career over truth and justice. And any fool that tolerates that is going to find himself on the wrong side.
Wow! Is it possible that Ouellet is more arrogant than Pope Francis?
Matt. I adore your show. Now this last round of cardinal sparring has left me numb.
I’ve been catholic for 53 years. Since day I was born. I love my faith but I’m not sure Jesus is present in our parishes anymore. I’m not sure the Holy Spirit is guiding any clergy. I think they just want our donations and then we should shut the hell up. This is truly sad. Xoxo I pray Jesus purifies his church soon.
Keep the faith, we are going through a purification. God's will be done.
Ouellet is a company man who appears to have lost his understanding of the actual authority the Pope holds in our Church ... meaning the Pope doesn't speak for Christ our King unless he speaks ex Cathedra.... outside of that he is the Bishop of Rome .... Also what did Vigano do to cause him to be considered by Ouellet as anathema ? Because Vigano raises concerns that Pope Francis refuses to address ? Very very disappointing and painful to see Ouellet's true character .......May God have mercy on us all because I believe the battle has only begun ...
I ask we pray for pope Francis and remember Mathew 16
Thank you, Cardinal Ouellet
Very true !
Summary of Cardinal Ouillet's missive: I'm in tight with Pope Francis, and I'm not about to commit political suicide. Cardinal Ouillet seems to think that papal infallibility is synonymous to papal impeccability. The tone was very "how dare you sir!"
there's so much snarky tonation in you reading this letter. it sounds like Scar from Lion King. You are too awesome Matt
Sounds like WAY too many words for somebody who is telling the truth. Too many excuses.
As a Catholic, I recognize the Vatican Charleston when I see it. Talk about dancing on the head of a pin...
All that letter has is deflection and lies. Circular reasoning and so much more. That bishop essentially takes the protestant understanding of papal infallibility and applies it against Viagano, resulting in the idea that any form of criticism is somehow blasphemous.
Those bishops better stop worrying about their so-called “reputation” (which to anyone who doesn’t live under a rock, they have none) and start worrying about their judgement.
ps..reforms what reforms that have not brought more confusion to a troubled Church..
Maybe the pope won't respond, and correct me if I'm wrong, because it would be infallible. His response would affect the whole Church, after all, and assuming he is trying to cover up the scandal, this would require that he tell the truth. And I do believe he does good, he was recently examined for possible heresy when speaking of remarriage. As I said before, correct me if I'm wrong, this is just a guess as to why he might not be responding.
EDIT: I was wrong about the whole infallible thing. Sorry.
No, the Pope is only infallible when he speaks ex cathedra. Which has only happened twice. Ever.
Thanks Sophia, no, infallibility only applies to the Church's faith and morals. Pope Francis couldn't say, "I infallibly declare that I had nothing to do with this." You might be interested in the episode that came out today from Pints With Aquinas on infallibility --> pintswithaquinas.com/podcast/what-is-papal-infallibility/
No, no, no. The pope is only 'infallible' in matters of faith and morals, when he solemnly teaches, from the chair of Peter, that such-and-such a teaching is binding. That is, you have to believe - for example - that Mary is the mother of God (not just Jesus's body or his human nature) or you are outside the teaching of the Church.
From Catholic Answers: An infallible pronouncement-whether made by the pope alone or by an ecumenical council-usually is made only when some doctrine has been called into question. Most doctrines have never been doubted by the large majority of Catholics.
The last time a pope spoke infallibly was 1950 - so there have been several popes in living memory who have never spoken infallibly: no need. You can look up papal infallibility on the Vatican website, Catholic Answers, or read this article on Canon Law Made Easy: canonlawmadeeasy.com/2011/02/17/when-does-the-pope-speak-infallibly/
Thanks guys. I'm sorry about that. I'm just a 15yo, wondering what to think about all this. As I said, this was just a guess. I'll edit and fix it