Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano Excommunicated & Found Guilty of Schism | EWTN News Nightly
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- Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano has been excommunicated by the Vatican after being found guilty of schism. This is the most severe penalty that can be imposed on a baptized Catholic. Senior Vatican Analyst for EWTN News, Frank Rocca, joins to discuss what the penalty of excommunication actually imposes. Rocca shares how unusual it is for the Vatican to declare a bishop or archbishop excommunicated. He explains how Archbishop Vigano, a senior Vatican official under 2 popes, ended up in this position. Rocca tells us whether there's been any response from Archbishop Vigano as he has rejected the authority of Pope Francis for some time. He fills us in on what the case of Archbishop Vigano says about the state of the Church today.
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Our Lady of Fatima pray for us .We all need to be saying rosaries for Priests,Bishops, Cardinals, and the Pope .
Por Francisco no rezaré.es un demonio.
@@Helmer227 Si no rezamos por el clero, incluido el Papa, la Iglesia solo sufrirá más.
@@Helmer227absolutely a demon
@@Helmer227 have you schismatics even read the documents to discover what Pope Francis actually said? Or do you automatically take the interpretations of Protestants as more authoritative than that of the successor of St. Peter?
@@Helmer227 By what authority are you declaring Francis is a demon? Please show us documents that proves you have the power to declare the Pope a demon. Only God has the power over the Pope. Are you God?
why is the Church so severe on holy priests but not on Catholic politicians who support abortion or other wayward priests?
The process of an excommunication is not a simple wave of the wand. It involves a lot of investigation and evaluation. Some causes for it are more cut-and-dry.
Viganó was not a holy priest. A holy priest submits to Rome, even if they disagree. A holy priest may appeal to the pope if they disagree (like Paul did with Peter), but they won’t then reject the vicar of Christ.
The liberal bishops, it depends on who we’re referring to. A crime of heresy if different from a sin of heresy, and for some of them, they’ve been extremely sneaky with how they do it to where the canonical legal system may take more time before official action is taken against them, even though we all know what they’re doing.
Both sides are very unholy, they’re just appearing in different ways.
God doesn't like complainers.
$$$
@@soldierofmary984 Well there's a moron statement. Great job
@@soldierofmary984please quote the scripture that supports your view.
So, I take it the excommunication of many German bishops is not far off? Yea, right. Don't hold my breath. The hypocrisy is just screaming.
whataboutism
@@deutschermichel5807so in other words, you have no response
@@amwilson2551 as a German I can say that the state of the Church (among boomer generation mainly) is mildly concerning in my country. There is anti-papal rhetoric - but not as outspoken schism as Viganò.
The self-proclaimed traditionalists and progressivists are two sides of the same coin.
That would be homophobia, getting the pope executed himself in jail for it. We've all heard of the enormous homo lobby within the Church, to literally bring back Babylon, instead of Christ's purity.
Pope Francis has been very clear that he’s got his eye on the German bishops. The actions of excommunication are not as simple as people like to think it is. Viganó’s was more cut-and-dry because of how explicit he was with rejecting the papacy - he turned into Martin Luther.
With the Germans bishops, it’ll have to be one individual at a time, and evaluating every crime of heresy committed, not just sins of heresy, which is different. That one will likely take more time.
People think that if they aren’t hearing news, then nothing is happening. People forget something…the Pope doesn’t owe you an explanation. Sorry - he doesn’t. Whatever actions he’s taking, whether right or wrong, we still recognize him as the vicar of Christ and act in obedience, even when uncomfortably. Either be a traditional Catholic who stands by the papacy, or be a neo-Protestant and disobey. The choice is yours.
Excommunication is so extreme. Papal tolerance seems to be only for McCarrick, Fr. Marko Rupnik, Msgr. Burrill, Fr. Martin, and the like, while Cardinal Burke, Fr. Frank Pavone, Bishop Stickland, and any other outspoken traditional minded priest gets the boot.
Vigano enabled McCarrick. You sure you want to say this? Read what the McCarrick report says about Vigano, you can google it and find it on the Vatican website.
Veronica, Vigano excommunicated himself when he said he does not recognize the DDF, its prefect, and the pope. Denouncing the papacy is ground for excommunication. Vigano asked for it, so he got it.
Theodore was not tolerated. They punished him. True traditionalists don't promote schism and sedevacantism. Vigano is not a true traditionalist but a wolf in sheeps clothing.
Viganó declared he brought up McCarrick and said Francis brushed it aside.
And tolerance is for schismaticheretic 🇩🇪bishops who go against the Vatican and vote39-8 for marriageblessings for certain people!
Took decades for McCarrick, the Vatican has drug their feet on others, and yet they move quickly with Viganó.
I am sorry this is happening in the Catholic Church. This will just complicate the relationship of Conservative Catholics with the Church and will only worsen the status quo. Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, Have Mercy, heal the Church, and lead the sheep.
It may actually help because it will make clear that you can’t go around saying Pope Francis is not the pope and that Vatican II is not a legitimate council and be a Catholic in good standing. But I pray that Vigano does what he needs to do to be back in communion with the Church.
Totally agree. I hope he does a lot of prayer .
@@ShepherdMetalBand Thank you. I fully agree with you. Thanks again and God bless you.
We have horrible leadership from conservative Catholics, who are more like Protestants than anything else.
@@ShepherdMetalBand
You need to wake up friend. Abolishing LATIN MASS‼️It’s the language of our church, friend. Pachamama idols-4 of them, can you tell me what the fourth Pachamama was meant to be? Blessing same sex marriages, trying to change the OUR FATHER PRAYER‼️I’m so angry with this Pope, he reminds me of Satans puppet.😡
Fr Rupnik still roams free. While Archbishop Vigano might have gone too harsh and extreme in his stance, a lot has been left to be imagined under Pope Francis’s papacy.
He’s an archbishop but not a cardinal.
Whataboutism does not solve Vigano's case. At any rate, it's over.
There's no end in sight for the Vatican having a tw0-ti3r3d system.
Watch Michael loftons coverage of the Fr Rupnik and cardinal McCarick.
Rupnik is still under investigation. If the charges against him are substantiated he will; be laicised and excommunicated. He is already restricted. Of course I do not approve of anything he is alleged to have done.
Pray for the Church. This is just fueling an already bad situation
Reject the arrogance and schism of self-appointed authorities who sow division in the Church!
You can pray till your blue in the face. Francis is going to do what he wants to do. Maybe once he dies, things may change, but I doubt it. The church is going down the same road as the Democrat party in the U.S.A. The culture of death.
Vigano was a very serious danger to the church.
@@martinwafula1183 And the blessing of homosexual sin isn't a danger to the church? I use to be a drunk and an adulterer. Should I have been blessed in my abomination to God? Or should I have confessed and gone and sinned no more? Vigano wasn't a danger to the church, just a danger to Francis.
@@tallotta1 EXACTLY!
God is watching all of this. Sad, sad day😢
Indeed, any day a Catholic decides to become a Protestant is sad.
exposing corruption is being a servant of God
yeah something is going on. 😢
So sad that schismatics are glorified heroes today. Sad times where the magisterium (The teaching authority of Christ) is under attack, while dissenters and schismatics are glorified. Smh.
@@enrique7205 They remind me of the BLM movement and their glorification of George Floyd.
So the man who tells the truth is punished and the man guilty of the crimes who was exposed by the truth teller is not punished.
Hence, it is clear that Romans is happening in real time.
All these things must come to pass.
Tenete Traditiones
God bless.
Tw0-ti3red system, just like Trump has endured.
What truth? If you identify yourself as a Catholic, be careful. With that way of thinking, you’re probably no longer one but already a Protestant.
Pope Francis is the Successor of Peter and Vicar of Christ.
Viganò is Luther
@@deutschermichel5807 yeah, okay.
By "the man who tells the truth" are you referring to Vigano saying Pope Francis is not the Pope and that Vatican II is not a real council?
Will the German bishops and cardinals be next?
If they deny the Magesterium in the form of Papal Authority and Church Councils, then yes.
I hope so - person by person, not by the group.
@@exercisethemindare those the only “crimes” that warrant excommunication?!?!!
Nope? There are alot of other crimes but they can be handled with civil law and if that don't work then excommunicado. But there is no civil law for scism therefore immediate excommunicado@@salvatorelivreri
Rome already confronted the German synod, threatened excommunication, and reeducation. It seems they have backed down.
Remain faithfull brothers God is testing you. May Jesus Christ and his Holy Mother Church be your Rock.
Pope Francis is the rock
@@deutschermichel5807 Sometimes rocks can get a little slippery...
@@cindiloowhoo1166yup, when it becomes slimy.
Sometimes the rock is not that solid. It breaks.
That guy is an odd fellow, cause I'd place Christ over any pope, even Peter, who needed to be rebuked, and denied Him 3 times. Christ didn't learn from Peter, Peter learned from Christ. Unfortunately that doesn't bother some people from posting their opinions online.
We must pray for the Church and our Bishops and priests 😢
Indeed we must, cause they cannot have the doubts regular people can, witnessing so many cases of possession and other clear signs of the devil's kingdom.
Every daily mass, we pray for our church leaders, even mentioning their names since time in memorial. What did that do to the current situation? My point is , we need more than prayers. The problem is, as a member of the faithful we don';t have the power. I doubt that our prayers even matter. More and more Catholics do not receive the right evangelization needed to sustain their faith because of the "politics, corruption, abuse " being played by church leaders. I can only have faith in Jesus's words, ".........upon this ROCK, I shall build my church and THE GATES OF HELL SHALL NOT PREVAIL."
They excommunicate Vigano, but not anyone in Germany. Tells you what you need to know.
They’re actively working on bringing the Germans back in line. Vigano just runs and hides.
Cause that would be homophobia 😱. Clearly the kingdom Sodom is more important now, than the Kingdom of Christ. I don't like any of these recent shenanigans from this pope.
And was Cardinal George Pell murdered??? Last week journalist Andrew Bolt revealed, and it was confirmed by Pell's brother. That when his coffin was returned to Australia, they found Pell's nose had been broken, the enbalming was not done properly, and finally he had no clothes on, with clothes just thrown on top of the body. This is on the public record. Very sad state of affairs in the Catholic Church.
Yet Father James Martin can spread his outrageous heresy all over with impunity. This is egregious.
Not that I agree with Father Martin but he has not denied the legitimacy of the Pope or the Magesterium. He needs corrected to be sure but it is not the same thing as Archbishop Vigano.
Cuenta Martin con la protección de Bergoglio, al igual que Tucho Fernández y otros herejes e inmorales ..
@@hugoramirez4909 I will pray for you schismatic. In the mean time I urge you to read the Vatican documents yourself to understand what they say. They are free and available online in every language. You don't have to rely on the interpretation of Protestants like Vigganò.
@@hugoramirez4909 You do not have the power to proclaim them heretics, even if they truly are.
Whataboutism does not solve any problem.
In terms of Catholic Church, I agree with everything Archbishop Viganò said!
In that case you are a protestant, not a Catholic.
Now that Pope Francis has excommunicated Archbishop Vigano one wonders if the pope will have more affection for him like he has for Martin Luther? Does Francis think he himself bears any responsibility for this present day confusion in the church? What a sad time for Catholics.
Viganò isnʼt a Catholic, though
@@deutschermichel5807that’s fine, though. Non-Catholics are placed on a pedestal now, right next to pachamama.
@@amwilson2551St Catherine Of Siena
"He who rebels against our Father is condemned to death, for that which we do to him we do to Christ: we honor Christ if we honor the Pope; we dishonor Christ if we dishonor the Pope. I know very well that many defend themselves by boasting: “They are so corrupt, and work all manner of evil!”
@@deutschermichel5807 According to Francis apostates and blasphemers are still members of the church.
@@66605 quote?
Shameful injustice to have excommunicated Vigano. Is it even truly valid?
It is. Viganò is no longer Catholic. He has been in a constant state of mortal sin for at least a year when he already denied the Papacy
@@deutschermichel5807playing with words. The papacy is an office. The validity of particular claimants to the papal throne have been questioned throughout Church history. That’s not the same as “denying the papacy“. To say otherwise is simply misleading. Willfully.
@@deutschermichel5807 maybe not mortal sin but otherwise I agree
@@amwilson2551 It is misleading to deny the papacy of Francis
This is so wrong! Many prayers for Vigano! ✝️🙏
no.
@@aceraphael exactly. Especially his claims about the covid are crazy. And sadly, masses of people are the same about this.
@Tony-ci7ys it seems that much of the american right wingers were very sensitive about the covid vaccine mandates. That being said, a healthy scepticism is well placed. American politics have a big part to play in Pope Francis being disliked.
I agree in that we need to pray for Viganó, but I disagree that it is wrong. The guy disbanded his office of obedience, refused to acknowledge Francis as the pope, decided on his own reasoning that V2 is invalid. Even if you see legitimacy in what he says, if you step outside those lines, you are objectively in schism, and the Church has an obligation to take action on that crime. Hopefully he will return.
He was guilty though.
I am a conservative NO Catholic but this excommunication is pushing me towards the TLM.
As a revert to the Catholic faith, I found my true home in the TLM. Don't let it become too political, but know that it is the TRUE worship of the faith, as it has been practiced for nearly 2000 years. Just saying, it is the closest we can be to the Lord this side of heaven. Prayers for you as you search, and hope you do find home in the TLM.
You should try it out at least once. you might fall in love with it. I decided to see what the big deal was, and this was back in 2020 when they were requiring masks and receiving communion in the hand which I have never liked and after three months of not receiving the Eucharist, I decide I’m gonna see what the big deal is about the Latin mass. I fell in love with it after just a couple of times I have only been to the new mass For two funerals and that’s it.
@@alphacharlietango969 TLM is ok. After all what really matters is the presence. Vatican 2
The TLM is loyal to the Magesterium and the Pope. I belong to a parish run by the Fraternity of St.Peter. we are completely loyal to the Pope.
@@kathywilliams9816bless you.
IT'S FIRST FRIDAY AND FIRST SATURDAY WEEKEND, HOPEFULLY EVERYONE IS DOING THESE 2 DEVOTIONS PERPETUALLY!! WE NEED SOLUTIONS TO THE INFILTRATION OF EVIL!!!
It looks as though those devotions are working! One schismatic out, so that he may turn back to God.
What about James Martin,and all the German priests that are laughing at the Catholic Church.
They're gay. It would be the greatest sin of all great sins, homophobia 😱.
Whataboutism
Strangely, no one wishes to venture a considered response to that perfectly legitimate question…
Why do you question the Pope??
@@soldierofmary984 Everybody who loves God beyond everything else not only sees wrong, but questions wrong. How much do you love God beyond everything else?
Archbishop Vigano, Cardinal Raymond Burke, Cardinal Gerhard Mueller, Bishop Athanasius Schneider , Bishop Joseph Strickland and Father Gerald Murray are the priests and prelates I follow to stay on the "right path to salvation" -- the purpose of the Catholic Church founded by Jesus Christ.
Congrats, you re-discovered Protestantism. Read the McCarrick Report on Vigano and then ask yourself why your other heroes you listed haven't condemned him.
They are not all in the same boat. Vigano has jumped off the boat. So, follow only those who stay put inside the boat.
No, no, no, you have to agree with excommunicatedSchistamic Luther as Francis did!
(On Justification).
You have to agree with him on Anglicanmasses in Catholic Churches on Catholic altars in Rome!
Then you'll be affirming what the Church has always affirmed! /sarcasm
@@paulmualdeave5063 McCarrick was possibly Pope Francis' best friend -- accused by Vigano of being homosexual [not suitable for the priesthood] and sexually aggressive with Argentinian seminarians [like his possible best friend]. Archbishop Vigano [not a homosexual -- suitable for priesthood] may have been a coward in the past -- repented by being a coward no more -- never again.
The problem with the Catholic Church is not Vigano, rather the overwhelming number of Joe Stalin's "School of Darkness" homosexual spawn in the priesthood and hierarchy -- estimated to be 90% in the Vatican -- 60% of U.S. priests / 88% of U'S. bishops.
Praying for a purified Catholic Church pleasing to God, free of homosexuals, pedophiles and pederasts in priesthood and hierarchy is a Catholic thing -- not Protestant.
@@marietta1335 The boat Francis is leading is Masonic -- not Catholic. Freemasonry serves the Lord Lucifer, not the Lord Jesus Christ. Irish priest Father Paul Kramer [former presenter at the Fatima Center] has outed Francis as a Freemason on more than one occasion citing an unnamed Cardinal source inside the Vatican.
Canon Law 2335 excommunicates any Catholic that joins a Masonic Lodge.
“Ordinary Catholics
will not survive these times; only heroic Catholics will.” -
Fr. John Hardon
Our mother pray for us 🙏
Lol. Okay
Vigano was defending the Deposit of Faith. God bless Vigano.
@@jeannenollen4492 Dont ecumenical councils uphold the deposit of faith? And didn’t he reject Vatican II? Seems like he is doing the exact opposite.
If we have heard about the bad Pope in the psst, that means it could also happen now.
Mgr. Vigano has tried to save the Church from this recent "confused" doctrine. We love you Mgr. Vigano God bless you always.
Schism is one of the greatest offenses to Christ. A greater offense than heresy. So sad that many side with schism and schismatics today.
I'm pro tradition but I don't recommend schism. Let us pray for his soul.
@@HendraG-nn1gi Yes, we do love him! 💕. May God grant him peace.🕊️
Don't you think denying that Pope Francis is Pope and saying that Vatican II is illegitimate is confusing?
@@ShepherdMetalBand No it is not because Vatican will follow what ever Pope's decision eventhough it is from a bad Pope.
Now, conservative Cardinals are replaced by liberal Cardinals with a condition they must agree with Pope's point of view regarding LGBT. Soon, I believe they will make some drastic doctrine change pertaining the LGBT movement. The reason is cliche : "who we are to judge and also merciful."
What Pope Francis has done actually fit to what one of Cardinals who did say in 2013 ( after the Pope election ) that the Vatican would be in trouble under those new elected Pope, Mgr. Jorge Bergoglio. He said that during an interview by CNN to comnent about new elected Pope.
God bless.
Seems to me that Pope Francis has weighed in on Covid vaccines too, yet he is no more a medical expert than Vigano.
Whataboutism does not solve any problems.
PF is a political puppet not a man of God.
And? What has Covid to do with the faith? Why donʼt you ask Viganò his favorite colour?
Covid vaccines have a lot to do with faith because if you didn’t take them you were denied employment inclusion in society & basically discriminated against. God gave us all free will & forcing people to take an experimental medication is not Christian. The church ostracised people who chose to wait & see what the effects & long term efficacy.
Now that it’s coming out how damaging it has been on societies worldwide & adverse effects & lack of informed consent to what’s actually in these medications all that some people had was their faith in God not only to protect them from the virus but society itself. @@deutschermichel5807 The
We pray for God's intervention during these difficult times. Pray, fast & trust in our Lord Jesus Christ. At the end of the day God is always in charge.
Crazy times!
This is crazy!
Vigano is a man of conscience
A bad conscience. Do more research. He’s a bad guy.
There's no lack of bad stuff on the current pope, if you do your research, and both of them are not on the same team.
Yet Rupnik, Fernandez , and Martin are considered in good standing!
Whataboutism does not solve the Vigano case. At any rate, it's over.
@@marietta1335 I don't believe it's over yet. Time will tell. Let us pray for them all.
Whatʼs with Fernandez?
@@deutschermichel5807 the Pope made him head of the Dicastery of the faith.
Fernández has also been the subject of some controversy, including a 1998 book he wrote that some say graphically describes orgasms. Fernández has said he wrote the book after speaking with young couples who wanted to better understand their relationships, and that he would never write such a thing again.
@@maryjackubowski4713 so whatʼs the problem? All of us do some weird or outright stupid and sinful stuff.
If he apologized, itʼs all fine. And overall, Cardinal Fernandez proved himself to be a good leader of the faith doctrine dicastery. The world needs to hear what the Vatican criticises
This is a terrible shame. We have now lost another bright light of our church.
Truely
He is the exact opposite of your position as he denies that Pope Francis as the valid pope which is an automatic excommunication via canon law. Consider Michael Loftons material.
Bright light? He openly admits being a schismatic. In Protestant world maybe, he may be seen as a “bright light.”
bright light? a light leading people outside the church and to hell?
I'm not sorry for him, the Pope speaks and that is it..
So sad.😢 ..prayers😢
Prowling lion and his cubs are at work. We need to pray for our priests and Bishops
1 Corinthians 10:21
You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons. You cannot partake of the table of the Lord and the table of demons
I see you just found out about Pachamama
@@StanleyPinchakPaChAmAmA
this is ridiculous I canʼt 😂.
People really leave the Church of Jesus Christ over a bad conspiracy theory
You have your hand on the door handle, but you haven't opened the door. God bless.
Was St. John Chrysostom excommunicated? Yes, St. John Chrysostom was indeed excommunicated. He was exiled not once, but twice, due to his reformist views and powerful sermons which often contradicted the clarity and corruption evident within the Church and Imperial Court of his time. St. John Chrysostom, pray for Archbishop Vigano. St. John Chrysostom, pray for us!
The Pope was on St.Chysostom side. It was the patriarch of alexandria that exiled him. Also, people who get unjustly persecuted by the Church like Padre Pio, obey meekly. They dont refuse to obey and lash out on twitter and double down on their schismatic ideas. Dont compare the saints with the case of a schismatic.
Was Martin Luther excommunicated? Yes, he was.
End times has come persecution of the Church within.
Yeah, St. Bellarmine debunked that hundreds of years ago when Protestants said the same thing.
But... FROM within. Not from the top. We must discern.
Truth spoken!
Great job pacha-papa Francis! I just wonder who is next, perhaps everyone who follows the 1st commandment and does not pay tribute to mama earth… perhaps those who keep the 6th and 9th commandment and are opposed to sinful union and blessings.
Who am I to judge?
Yes. We shouldnʼt judge in this matter. The Church already did
@@deluge848 Pope Francis derangement syndrome.
@@deutschermichel5807 This is quoting bergoglio's claim in 2013
@@marietheresa7866 this claim is out of context.
Very uncharitable of you to take someoneʼs words out of context
@EWTN please make a documentary on the McCarrick Report, especially showing what it says about Vigano. So many in there making him their hero when he enabled McCarrick and then blamed Pope Francis for his own actions.
Michael Lofton did a whole show on this exposing Viganos mishandling of
the situation.
@@enrique7205lofton ?😂🤣🤣👍 Okay!
enrique7205@ Loftons?! 🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮
Noooo...
😢🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
Archbishop Viganò will be vindicated... if not in this Tribulation-World of the Upside-down, then in The Next.
“Blessed are you when people revile you and persecute you and utter all kinds of evil against you falsely on my account. Rejoice and be glad, for your reward is great in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you."
Matthew 5 : 11-12
Read the Vatican report on former Cardinal T. E. McCarrick dated Nov 10, 2020. You can search for it on Google. I think you will change your mind when you know all the facts. Vigano protected McCarrick even after the Vatican ordered him to isolate McCarrick from the public. Vigano basically ignored everything the Vatican told him to do in accordance with his job.
Amen
Vigano met the threshold of committing crime of Schism.
@@CatholicSaintsAndAngels what about Jimmy Martin & Cardinal Mccarrick? This Pope is all about getting even with his enemies. They should create a Godfather IV with the Pope as the central character.
He will be vindicated
Prophets and servants of God usually work alone.
Some times majority is wrong
So Jesus lied to St. Peter when he promised that the gates of hell would nort prevail against the Church lead by the Pope?
@@deutschermichel5807 People can recognize and criticize heresy and hypocrisy without the gates of hell prevailing. This is hardly a first in Church history, and yet here we are, still THE Church.
@@deutschermichel5807The gates of hell Jesus speaks of are the doorways into man religions, denominations, churches and ministries one verse confirms it John 10:1 . You have your hand on the door handle, but you haven't opened the door. God bless. God bless.
@@Philipnormanbradley19 sounds like youʼre in a sect
Usually, 90% of the population is completely helpless against the manipulations of the 10%. They can't even spot it, let alone adequately react to it, in a meaningful manner.
What is the value of being excommunicated by a man like Francis (who is himself likely outside the Catholic Church for decades)?
First, you have to prove that Francis is outside the Church. Do you have the proof and evidence that the Pope is outside the Church? Do you have the power and authority to say Francis is outside the Church? Prove it.
Next, review Vigano's case. He was invited to the Dicastery to present his case against the Pope. But Vigano is such a coward, instead of going, he continued to hide himself. He denounced the Papacy and the Dicastery for the Faith saying he does not believe them. Denouncing the pope and the dicastery are grounds for excommunication. Vigano asked for it; he got it.
Tell us one proof that Pope Francis is a heretic? He constantly affirms the Catholic Christian faith.
Viganò on the other hand denies not only the Pope but also the second Vatican Council.
St Catherine Of Siena
"He who rebels against our Father is condemned to death, for that which we do to him we do to Christ: we honor Christ if we honor the Pope; we dishonor Christ if we dishonor the Pope. I know very well that many defend themselves by boasting: “They are so corrupt, and work all manner of evil!”
The sin of schism entails automatic excomunication without trial. If you trully hold to those opinions you are excomuncated and cant get the Eucharist. Go to confession.
If he doesn’t recognise Francis as Pope then he’s not Catholic by his own definition. He’s done this to himself & only has himself to blame.
100% agree - same as Cardinal Raymond Burke, Bishop Strickland, Father Gerald Murray. They behave like gossip gadflies and condemn Pope Francis, and then wonder why- after repeated requests to clip it - they're let go because they can't keep their mouths shut. These men show how little they care about the church - rather it's all about them. Bye Felicia.
Quite the opposite. Men who don't obey the word of God care about only themselves, not God.
Vigano supports Trump, a politician that has called white supremacists very fine people & has demonised migrants. Vigano has been interviewed on the War Room podcast by Bannon who advocates political violence. How is that following Christs message? Wake up to yourselves. You are in a cult.
No way! We are with you, praying and blessing you. Fiat
have you even read the documents to discover what Vatican 2 and Pope Francis actually said? Or do you automatically take the interpretations of Protestant schismatics like Vigganò as more authoritative than that of the successor of St. Peter? I will pray for you sister.
I take it you were not shown what the McCarrick Report says about Vigano? You might want to look at it before praising Vigano.
He is a schismatic no different than Martin Luther. How sad that many side with schismatics today.
@@enrique7205the Vatican now celebrates Luther, so I have no idea why you people continue to think that calling Vigano a “Luther” is some kind of insult. It’s clearly the highest praise the Vatican bestows in 2024.
@@amwilson2551 The Vatican post office issued a stamp honoring the reformation and Martin Luther. Why is that not an act of apostasy?
VIgano will be vindicated on Judgment Day.
Jesus gave His Apostles authority to bind and loose. Whatever is bound in earth will be bound in Heaven. So, the excommunication will be bound in Heaven too if Vigano doesn’t repent and comes back to the Church. He just needs to be humble as the prodigal son and the excommunication will be lifted. But at the present time, he’s still standing strong with his schismatic intent
No chance to see God. Great sin of Disobedience to the Pope as promised.
@@frankribeiro399 I hope Vigano lives long enough to repent of what he has done and come back to the Church before he dies.
Vigano is on the wrong path. Read the McCarrick report and what it says about your hero.
No chance. Unless he repents.
What a great news!! Thank you Lord!
Punishment for continued disobedience. Obedience is a vow taken by all religious.
Obedience is it. Say no more.
Can’t be obedient to a Freemason pretending to be a pope. The heretic must be recognised as a destroyer of infallible Catholic doctrine, that is plainly obvious to even a child of seven.
Obedience to God, not the Pope. The Pope can be sent to Hell just like anyone else.
True punishment comes at judgment when God compares men's acts against His word.
@@vv1459 False obedience, that is a rejection of Catholic doctrine which infallibly commands our first obedience is to Christ not a Freemason.
So he has been saying the new mass for years yet is just now figuring out the problem.
The only thing Archbishop Vigano is guilty of is speaking the truth. Let's keep him in our prayers.
That guy is not an analyst. He's a mouthpiece.
And a lousy one at that.
Let all of us go to the Latin Mass. 🥀❤️🔥
"The most beautiful thing this side of Heaven".
Go. Please stay there to leave room for us Catholics to sit in the pews at the Novus Ordo. Always too packed those pews.
❤❤❤❤❤YESSSS THATS THE ONLY WAY TO FINISH WITH THIS EVIL. AVE MARÍA ORA PRONOBIS.
Why can’t I go to one of the other 23 or so rites? What a slap in the face to our fellow Catholics.
Just so you know, this is exactly the reason why Francis is cracking down on the TLM. Because you schismatics are weaponizing it to rebel against the authority of the magisterium.
How can we practise been a good catholic when we have a pope who makes these decisions and who cares more about the environment than teaching about sexual morality and who seems to ignore scripture. We need more clergy like Archbishop Vigano who basically highlighted sin in the vatican.
Agree. All he did was call out error.
Exactly! Can the apologists on this site not see that Francis is in the wrong? Not only on this excommunication, but on so many other things as well.
You can continue practicing as a good Catholic by staying in the Church. You don't need clergy like Vigano who jumped off the boat.
"...schism is not committed when there are well-founded reasons to consider the election of the Pope doubtful, due to of the vitium consensuse of irregularities or violations of the rules that regulate the Conclave. (see Wernz - Vidal, Ius Canonicum, Rome, Pont. Univ. Greg., 1937, vol. VII, p. 439).”
You mean the same Pope Francis who is a radical among bishops in his opinion that gays shouldnʼt even enter seminary?
So sad this situation for Vigano defending Jesus and be faithful to the gospel. GOD BLESS Archbishop Vigano.
@@Rodoman2 You can’t defend Jesus while at the same time, as a Catholic, denying his vicar.
Guilty of telling the truth.
Wow! This interviewee is quite the Francis-apologist
Are you a Catholic? If yes, be thankful that people stand with the Vicar of Christ
Well what do you expect? The Roman Catholic Church demands it. Plus he lives in Rome.
Maybe he doesn't want to make his stay in Rome suddenly unpleasant.
This is the conundrum always created by those who refuse any criticism of Vatican II. How can you legitimately criticize it when you’ve always been a part of this post Conciliar Church? That’s like saying how can you have a criticism of the American government when you’ve always lived here? They’ve spent 60 yrs defending man made documents, with endless man made interpretations as if they are perfect and infallible. They are not and the devastating consequences prove that, millions have left in droves. Worst of all, in less than one generation, most Catholics no longer believe in The True Presence of Christ in the Holy Eucharist. This is the greatest tragedy of our time. Yet, still, there is no logical evaluation of Vatican II to assess its outcomes and impact on the faith. That alone is an outrage, let alone that one cannot even question it.
Criticism is allowed and the Vatican has tolerated it for decades. But Vigano called the Pope a false pope and even accused him of heresy. Furthermore, he has encouraged other people to bash the Pope and shielded McCarrick from a Vatican inquiry when he was accused of child abuse. That goes far beyond just criticism.
100%. Excellent comment.
@@bobblacka918 Francisshould be accused of heresy and worse. Did vigano participate in pagan worship, no, Francis did. You have a short memory. Did vigano betray the Chinese people to the communist and put communist bishops over them? no Francis did!
@@bobblacka918 Excellent post. Thank you, Bobblacka, and God bless you.
Vatican II has become an idol for some. It contradicts Vat I on salvific requirements for Protestants, contradicts Florence and Trent on the words of consecration, and contradicts Trent and Florence via its radical ecumenicalapproach.
Well, I am very pleased to hear that there is at least one honest Catholic leader so far. This is huge news. Kudos to Archibishop Carlo Maria Viganò for standing against Satanists and psychopaths.
LDMJF,
what a good sign for Excellency Vigano. Only the good once are persecuted such as Bishop Strickland, Burke and others.
BerGOGlio and the other wolves will be judged by our LORD and SAVIOR JESUS Christus from Nazareth. That is sure! AMEN
Nolite timere; FIAT
Can't perform sacraments or can't receive them?
Definitely can in private but only for himself and by himself
Both. Schism is a grave mortal sin. So he cannot unworthily handle the Eucharist in any way.
Vigganò is a schismatic who has rejected the authority of the Pope and Church Councils. He has removed himself from the Church. He is a Protestant now.
@@CatholicSaintsAndAngels He can, according to his own papacy, which is himself. But I doubt the Lord will be pleased.
Given that Vigano has now been declared to be aschismatic, Francine "Todos, Todos, Todos," from now on applies to him as well, His views are now welcome at the Synod, Canon 844 (§§2, 3 and 4 of this canon and in can. 861 §2) now applies to him concerning those who wish to receive the sacraments from him, and he may now even be closer to the Church per Francine standards after this!
V2 has ZERO new doctrine, so how could anyone be excommunicated for going against V2?
True in a way. Vatican 2 was purely pastoral in nature and was not doctrinal. Despite all the documents of Vatican 2, if the Mass had not been radically changed--- something that Catholics would see every Sunday at church, Vatican 2 would have come and gone largely unnoticed by the average Catholic and forgotten. The originally intended "Letter of Vatican 2" morphed into "The Spirit of Vatican 2" which is what I and countless other Catholics reject.
Vatican II is an infallible Council of the Catholic Church. Pope Francis is the Vicar of Christ and Successor to Peter.
Would you agree that a man who denies the legitimacy of Vatican I and Pope Pius IX is no longer a Catholic, but a schismatic in mortal sin?
If yes, you must also agree that Viganò is rightfully excommunicated and no longer apart of the Body of Christ.
Will listen thank you fiat fiat fiat ❤❤
Praying for you , your Grace Vigano, 🙏👍
Dear Pope Francis ,
What happened to Forgiveness and Tolerance that you extend to others who have committed horrible , much worse actions ?
Vigano has been given years to repent and come back to the Church. But he persisted and publicly declared his schismatic intent. So Vatican has to excommunicate. Simple as that. Mercy was offered but Vigano rejected
@@CatholicSaintsAndAngels If Vigganò renounces his heresy and requests forgiveness, he will be welcomed to return to the Church. Until then he is Protestant schismatic.
Forgiveness is there if you ask for it.
Mercy meaning gag order
Francis:
Tolerance4Jimmy.
Tolerance4SchismaticAnglicans.
Also Francis:
NoTolerancs(Soup)4Viganó!!!
Hail Mary and St Joseph protect the Catholic church 🇻🇦✝️
There's alot of pride involved in church politics....
Always has been. Non of us are God, just people, but the problem is the persistent lack of admitting to mistakes, and willing to change.
It is ALL about CONTROL, AUTHORITY....
One of a very few good men that was in the Catholic church. Shame on them.
Carlo Maria Vigano is a true believer of the Word of God and was brave to speak out when his convictions led him. I am a Baptist, and we would welcome him with open arms at our church. I grew up Catholic, but we left the church when I was around 12 or so when my mom got a letter from the church telling her to stop reading the Bible at home.
Doubtful he would accept the Baptist faith, but that’s very nice of you to offer.
🙌🏽👏👏👏👏👏👏👏🥳. Rejoicing as no longer will mislead the faithful on all matters faith under the PRETENCE of being a genuine Catholic Bishop leading the flock.
The crackdown on dissent of conservatives within the Church is very alarming. Vigano is just the latest among the list of sanctioned priests including Bishop Joseph Strickland of Tyler Texas.
One is either Catholic, or you aren’t. There is no “conservative” or “liberal” in the Church. Only orthodox or heterodox. The Catholic Faith is not a political party.
There is nothing "conservative" about rebelling against the authority of the magisterium and the Pope, its quite the opposite in fact.
Put all this in perspective:
Viganó decides to be a whistleblower, whether right or wrong, in disobedience to his office. He goes into hiding like a coward rather than facing his enemies. He continues to release statements in hiding. He’s summoned multiple times to appear in Rome and doesn’t appear. He refuses to recognize Francis as the pope, making his in a very objective and literal way a schismatic. He rejects papal conclusions and counsels.
“Yeah, but some saints confronted popes.” Some saints appealed to popes they disagreed with, but they never became disobedient schismatics. They continued to fulfill their offices, even when they disagreed.
Viganoó and Martin Luther are very similar. Both acknowledged that the Catholic Church is the one true church. Both decided that they were right and the entire papal authority is wrong. Both continued to promote schism. Both were issued excommunications/papal bulls and refused to accept them.
Viganó is a neo-Protestant. Anyone who favors Viganó over the pope is too.
Mr Television, since you are so much in the know, could you give us please the precise definition of schism, namely what is the proper form of the crime of schism? Then also could you tell us please all the circumstances when it is canonically (legally) permitted to doubt / not to recognise a certain pontificate in time as valid?
Also, could you please point out if it is morally permissible for a lay Catholic to try to usurp the authority to canonically declare other catholics outside the church?
EDIT / SPOILER ALERT: The above questions should not be attempted to be given responses by an unlearned individual, especially the first two, while the last question is rethorical.
@@john_scott I know very little, but I know the basic definition of schism.
Canon 751:
“Schism is the withdrawal of submission to the Supreme Pontiff or from communion with the members of the Church subject to him.”
That’s precisely what Viganó is guilty of. Whether you agree with and understand his plight is irrelevant. Once you step outside of that and decide that the reining pope is not the pope, regardless of what you think of him, it is still an act of schism.
According to Code 1325 §2, it is never permissible to claim the current pontificate is invalid. That is not the same as having concerns with the pope’s actions and words, or disagreeing with him. But in disagreeing with him, you have to still submit to his office as the vicar of Christ.
No, it is not permissible for a lay Catholic to usurp the authority to canonically declare other Catholics to be outside of the Church. I never did that. The Holy See, who do have the authority, did.
Viganó very deliberately said the Francis is not the pope, refused to show up to his summons, and doubled down on his actions. He has become Martin Luther 2.0. But regardless of whether I agree with his plight or I think it’s wrong is irrelevant. People aren’t getting that. No matter how much they love Pope Francis or get frustrated with him, it doesn’t matter. Either you’re a Catholic and you submit to the papal authority, even in moments of concern, or you disobey and separate yourself.
I hope for the archbishop's return to communion with the Rome, but he got exactly what he wanted. He was practically begging to be excommunicated.
The 1983 Code of Canon Law attaches the penalty of automatic excommunication to the following actions:
Apostates, heretics, and schismatics (can. 1364)
Desecration of the Eucharist (can. 1367)
A person who physically attacks the pope (can. 1370)
A priest who in confession solicits another to violate the sixth commandment (can. 1378)
A bishop who consecrates another bishop without papal mandate (can. 1382)
A priest who violates the seal of the confessional (can. 1388)
A person who procures an abortion (can. 1398)
Accomplices who were needed to commit an action that has an automatic excommunication penalty (can. 1329)
Good for him. If what the Pope's actions are, if not consistent with the word of God, NOT the word of man, then Vigano is correct in his stance. We are not to tickle the ears of people just because we want to be liked. There is only one truth... God's word, not man's!
Correct. St. Paul said if he was a man pleaser he would not be a bond servant of Christ.
The prophecy of Garabandal is clearly happening now. The Warning is near.
That aparition was not condoned by the local bishops as having confirmed supernatural quality, so its to be disregarded.
"Devil" from the Greek diabolos can be translated as "to divide" or "to throw against". In contrast, Christ called us to UNITY, "that they may all be one, as you, Father, are in me and I in you, that they also may be in us, that the world may believe that you sent me." Catholics must stay strong in our love of God and obedience to the Magesterium. Reject the arrogance and schism of self-appointed authorities who sow division in the Church!
God also told us to judge righteously.
@@kountryedge and Vigganò said he is "honored" to be excommunicated. That should tell you all you need to know. He has separated himself from God.
@@exercisethemind. On the contrary, he is and has called out error.
@@Mutasis_Mutandis You guys apparently haven't read the report on Cardinal McCarrick and what it says about Vigganò. You're defending the wrong guy to be talking about corruption in the Church.
You have your hand on the door handle, but you haven't opened the door. God bless you all.
He said some compelling things, about world power shifts. I have not forgotten them. Re Vigano
The correct decision. He has nobody to blame but himself. This is the folly of pride.
Took long enough. This should give pause to all of those who say Pope Francis is not the Pope.
Vigano shouldn't have been excommunicated
Francis is the Pope. Indisputable. He is also a jackass of the highest order. Also indisputable. God save us all...
@@mickeydill3608he clearly already excommunicated himself a year ago at least when he denied the Catholic faith.
Submit to Rome, yʼall annonymous Protestants
If he was humble like Padre Pio, this wouldn’t have happened!
He is too proud!😢
Exactly. Thanks, and God bless you, @izamalaca. Vigano was invited to the Dicastery but he refused to go. Instead, he continued to hide and went on to denounce the Pope. He should have gone and threshed it all out with them - tell the Pope and Tucho the wrongs that they're doing. But Vigano is a coward; he ran away.
So are you by the sounds of it
Pope Bergoglio is certainly too proud. Vigano is a saint and an authentic Catholic.
No, if he was outlandish like the schismaticheretic 🇩🇪bishops, was one of many to vote in favor of marriageblessings for certain people, against the Vatican (so they claim) then he would get away with it.
If he was proud like the schism@tich3retic Germ@nbishops voting for sameSmarriageblessings against Francis' wishes he would get away with it.
Don't expect Bergoglio to laicize Fr. James Martin for heresy or excommunicate Theodore McCarrick for pederasty. Bergoglio only punishes his critics.
absolutely! and Pelosi, Biden with their horrible record on abortion can continue to access Holy Communion!
St. Augustine calls obedience the greatest of virtues; it is the parent and source of every other virtue.
Vigano has been right about his claims. Only time will tell who ends up on the right side of history.
I’d be more concerned about being in the right side with God.
Vigano has not been right about his claims. Michael Lofton exposes Vigano with receipts.
So much evil protestant-like spirit right here
@@Tony-ci7ys “And they shall know us by our love.” John 13:35
@@Mutasis_Mutandis yes
Vigano is the Good God man
Perhaps now that he is in "schism" they will celebrate him, have dialogue with him, cite that there is nothing wrong with being out of communion with the true Church, and invite him to say masses at the Vatican. The Orthodox and Anglicans have those privileges. Maybe they'll even have a statue of him like they did with Martin Luther.
How on Earth and in what context can this be taken seriously at all? After 50 years of claiming schism and heresy is perfectly fine this is hilariously hypocritical.
I agree with some of the Archbishop's statements on Pope Francis, but once he asked for the pope to step down, he was in danger of excommunication. Lack of "obedience" can't be tolerated. It is a testament to the times we are living in. Behind the scenes though, I don't think that some of the "holy" people elected to office are quite what they seem. So the Church moves on.
Can evil people really excommunicate other people. The pope, nor the Cardinals or the bishops can make a holy person, unholy and say heaven is closed to you. The pope and a lot of Cardinals and bishops are acting like they’re God are they for a rude awakening when they will be judge by the real living God
St Catherine Of Siena
"He who rebels against our Father is condemned to death, for that which we do to him we do to Christ: we honor Christ if we honor the Pope; we dishonor Christ if we dishonor the Pope. I know very well that many defend themselves by boasting: “They are so corrupt, and work all manner of evil!”
Hey, You have your hand on the door handle, but you haven't opened the door yet. God bless.
Can someone who has automatically excommunicated himself excommunicate someone else?
time to go Eastern Orthodox
You can’t make this up. This is exactly where schism leads you, outside the Church.
You can’t make this up. This is exactly where schism leads one, which is outside the Church.
@@forbin1185 So you’d abandon your Mother when something you don’t like happens. Have fun with the church that accepts contraception and zero papacy.
They lack Stigmatics. Not only Protestants do, but they also.
A schismatic joins other schismatics.
What took you so long to report this?
Please explain properly what wrong he has done
We ordinary catholics need to know
He hasn't done anything wrong other than standing fast on nearly 1,900 years of Catholic tradition and literally falling in love with the traditional Latin Mass that has its roots all the way back to Pope Gregory the Great and the 4th century. That Latin Mass was simply codified at the Council of Trent and was not a "new" Mass at that time.
Is Frank Catholic??? He sure doesn't seem too happy.
St Catherine Of Siena
"He who rebels against our Father is condemned to death, for that which we do to him we do to Christ: we honor Christ if we honor the Pope; we dishonor Christ if we dishonor the Pope. I know very well that many defend themselves by boasting: “They are so corrupt, and work all manner of evil!”
As long as you are a priest friendly to LGBTQ+ you are OKAY.
Where has this Pope ever said living a homosexual lifestyle is okay and not a sin? Stop spreading misinformation.
@@lozu8947he doesn’t need to because it’s implied via his endorsement of James Martin.
He has invited pro-LGBTQ groups, met with leaders of LGBTQ 'Rainbow Catholics', etc, etc.
Part of why I left and became a Christian. I was Catholic for 45 years. Vigano is a brave man to stand up to all the things the Catholics are doing. The Catholic church has bent the knee and looked away too many times. I'll be praying for all Catholics as this has to be crushing to those that see the truth.
You are calling Christ a liar, then. Because He promised that the Gates of Hades would never prevail against His Church founded on The Rock, Saint Cephas, Simon Peter.
You are putting men between you and Christ. Christ never promised that His Church leaders would all be saints.
You have given up the True Presence of Jesus Christ in the Most Holy Eucharist, Body, Blood, Soul, And Divinity.
What a shame.
@@NickFromDetroit I don't need a priest to have my relationship with Christ. Christ's church has remained and will remain. Take the plank out of your eye.
@@tonyaosborne6881 , Christ said you need a priest. And bishops. Christ’s Church is the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church.
I’m just a poor sinner. Handing on the teaching of the Gospel of Christ.
Vigano defended biblical teachings by opposing the Second Vatican Council Indeed, the results of the Second Vatican Council gave rise to divisions within Catholicism itself into two camps Between Traditionalists and Ocumenists And Vigano actually questioned the papacy for action The aim is to re-evaluate the Second Vatican Council As a Protestant, I find it sad that excommunication is being carried out But that's when there is no balance in the church Those who oppose are immediately excommunicated With all the arguments they believe about the supremacy of a leader Actually, where are the Catholics going now?
Vigano must comply to His Holiness. This must not continue.
There is no “his holiness”. Only a demon
@@teresastephenson84 Teresa, you are your own pope. Go away, little girl.
@@teresastephenson84 You are not Catholic as you are in schism. What you said is heresy against Matthew 16:18-19 in Catholic tradition. The demon is in you as Satan is the accuser of the brethren. Read the McCarrick report and what it says about your hero Vigano.
@@teresastephenson84 Teresa, this isn't the first time that we have had a anti-pope in Church History. One thing that we've learned from those immoral popes are that obedience to the chair of Peter is a must because it's the authority we adhere to, not the man. Granted, if the pope proves himself to be anathema'd then...
Also, marietta, we have every right to criticize the unsaintly pope when he strays from his role.
"...schism is not committed when there are well-founded reasons to consider the election of the Pope doubtful, due to of the vitium consensuse of irregularities or violations of the rules that regulate the Conclave. (see Wernz - Vidal, Ius Canonicum, Rome, Pont. Univ. Greg., 1937, vol. VII, p. 439).”
Guilty of not being heretical 🎉yea purple mafia boyz
One wonders why Francis would excommunicate anyone? In his 2/2/2022 papal audience he claimed "no one can exclude themselves from the Church" and that even apostates belong to the communion of saints. What does an excommunication from Francis mean?
Pope Francis NEVER MENTIONS THE SIN OF LGBT FOR EXAMPLE WHILE CALLING FOR BLESSINGS TO GAYS
@@jamesandrews1190 Clearly you haven’t been following the news. He has been very clear for years against the LGBT agenda, and more recently, been extremely vocal on how wrong it is. And yes, the papal document does say that gays can be blessed - not gay unions. But it has always been that gays and any sinner can receive a blessing. This isn’t news.
Exactly. And we are human beings made in the image and likeness of God, not the devil's pigs.