This is the outcome of decades of dumbing down the faith by clergy and laity alike and softening the Church’s teachings to appease the outside world. It is so heartening to see the laity stand up to these errant priests and bishops. It is incumbent upon every Catholic to challenge our clergy towards Gods truth.
As Pope Francis reminded the Bishops, and Fr. James Martin as a Clergy must heed. "Sanctity is stronger than scandal" Whatever mud they throw humility and silence will shield the innocent. Exodus14:14
"Go and sin no more." To believe in Jesus, one needs to believe in sin and objective truth. It is important for the Church to reflect and project Christ's mercy, but one needs to begin mercy from the perspective that some acts are objectively sinful.
@@Jan-Maggie Jesus was called seemingly every derogatory name in the book, with the possible exception of homophobic. I'm not a Bible-only kind of guy, but we don't seem to have any evidence He was called that. The world was and will always be opposed to Jesus. If the adulteress had been caught again, I'm guessing the same answer.
@David Russell Nothing! In fact, we are called to love God and neighbor. But that's love in the patient, kind, non-self-interested sense of the word as St. Paul described in 1 Corinthians 13. You know; where one truly puts the interests of others, temporal and eternal, above himself. I suspect what you are talking about is just sex.
@David Russell Fair point on not being sure what you meant by love, but since you posted that seemingly questioning my earlier comment, I also think it is a fair suspicion that we aren't talking about the same meaning of the word. If there is any chance in your mind that Sacred Scripture is truth, and Sacred Scripture prohibits the kind of sexual acts this video is about, then by engaging in those acts anyway is selfish, and not true love. Selfish because one is exposing the other to something that offends God. There's nothing sacrificial in that. It just becomes a sexual bargain, in which God is left out of the picture. Kind of a 'you get yours, I get mine' type of thing. Now, we are all sinners, and we aren't supposed to judge others because we all have the same Judge (whether we believe in Him or not). So the 'none of your business' comment does have some merit. But as your neighbor, at least in the digital sense of the word, how can I love you while not explaining my understanding of the word? That would just be me putting on blinders, again, assuming you were referring to sexual bargain and not true love.
@@boxoffrogs-studio Well, I would say that point is discernible in the comments above, but to satisfy your curiosity, I'll try again. Pure love is selfless. A man can have selfless love for another man, and should. But a man having sex with another man is being selfish rather than selfless, because he is pulling his sexual partner into activities that violate natural law and offend God (we believe, anyway, as per Sacred Scripture).
@@jmjaquinas7298 yes, mercy without justice is not love! Mercy is given through the justice of our repentance and penance and mercy comes from the love of the Sacred Heart and the Immaculate Heart.
If you love the sinner, you don't leave them in their sin - you point them to the truth - after all, Christianity is just one beggar showing another beggar where to find food (truth).
TRUE MEASURE OF ONE'S LOVE FOR OTHERS IS TO TELL THEM THE TRUTH ABOUT GOD'S WILL! NO CULTURE, NO IDEOLOGY, NO MENTALITY, NO PHILOSOPHY CAN EVER ERASE OR DISREGARDS IT, FOR IT WILL BE ACCOUNTED FOR IN THE NEXT LIFE
"Hate the sinner love the sin" is not inclusive and is exceedingly cruel.This saying is enabling permission to hate instead of love. (Tolerance vs acceptance) Remember Matthew 7:1-2
it is not enough to "not challenge" the church's teaching. It must be affirmed, promoted and celebrated by all faithful catholics, especially those with a teaching and pastoral vocation.
I don't understand how the examples you said are ever relevant. Jesus picked Mary Magdalene from a sinful life to a life of Godly love. The church's aim must not be include everyone but to help the marginalised and lead them to God, not to their desires.
@@Grokford Among the fruits of the Spirit in Galatians 5:22-23 is “self-control.” If a Christian experiences disordered sexual desire (such as attraction to a person of the same sex) then the Spirit can give them the self-control they need to resist it.
Fr Martin makes it a point to try to not be interviewed/questioned by people asking those "hard questions" or may disagree with him. You know Church Militant would have a field day with an interview with him. Thanks for the upload Mr Fradd!
@@ArizonaWillful, well, it depends on the denomination and normative ethical theory. Protestants traditionally affirm either a form of Christian consequentialism or deonotology (via Divine Command Theory). Catholics usually affirm virtue ethics, wherein the motivation is what constitutes the sin as opposed to merely the action or consequence. This is why Catholics, in particular, tend to be harsh on *homosexuals* (defined insofar as they have same-sex attraction, not merely insofar as they act) where Protestants tend to be harsh on *sodomy* (or the lived consequences of a homosexual life style).
@flyingphoenix113 I'd say it's quite the opposite. Protestant denominations that are against homosexual activity are generally far more anti gay than the average practicing Catholic, as someone who has been in both churches. this is at least true in my region.
@@kurtwhiteley481, interesting. I'm speaking from an academic context, whereby the Catholics and Orthodox are almost always the harshest on homosexuality (by contrast, the Methodist church is embroiled in a debate as to if or if not sodomy can even be classified as a sin, with same-sex attraction being a regular feature of both congregates and, now, clergy). I presume you must be from the United States? That seems to be the only place whereby the Protestants tend to have a harder stance on Homosexuality than Catholics/Orthodox.
This is a great video! I loved how charitable the language used in this video is. Matt, thank you for using the truth and expressing concern about Fr. Martin’s ministry while including the voice of someone who experiences same sex attraction. And thank you for being charitable towards Fr. Martin! I think too many times us Catholics fall into believing that Fr. Martin WANTS to do harm to the church and is intentionally being malicious. After biting the bullet and reluctantly reading his book myself, I believe Fr. Martin is a man with good intentions for the most part. I see so many Catholics taking his quotes from one book and saying things like “ALL Jesuits are homosexual supporters!” Or “James Martin isn’t a real priest!” Which is just not true. It is so refreshing to see a dialogue online that challenges his book without discounting his priesthood, the jesuits as a whole, or the experience of people who are same-sex attracted.
@@Azygos1986 I haven't read every comment here, but many. Yours is the best so far. (My suggestion, use a few paragraphs to make long compositions easier to read. Thanks.)
Stop patting people on the back for the bare minimum of not being openly hostile. Queer people have questions, and unless they are answered satisfactorily no amount of patronistic "truth" is going to reach them.
This dialogue between Matt Fradd and Dan Mattson is respectful and embracing. I feel edified by it. I contrast this with the language that exudes from some of the comments written on this page.
Excellent point Matt. James Martin says he will not "challenge the church's teaching on homosexuality", but James should be honest and clear and state if he 'believes' in the church's teaching! Very different statements. And as a Catholic priest, he needs to accept all of Catholic doctrine .
@Steve McQueen I doubt that Atman Brahman intended to say Fr. Martin's book title was a reference to anything. So saying, I find it ironic that connect the LGBT+ rainbow with the Buddhist rainbow bridge; the former is all about desire. Isn't the latter about putting an end to it?
Despite his appearance, Fr. Martin is as cynical as they come. This is why: He's aware that for an act to be mortally sinful, the actor must know the act is seriously wrong. Solution: Fr. Martin leads homosexuals to believe that homosexuality is not seriously wrong; ergo, no mortal sin. Instead of saying "Go, and sin no more," he says, "Go. I love you, and so does Jesus." This is not the full message of Christ, but it accomplishes what Fr. Martin wants (or so he thinks). At the cost of souls, because Catholics are held to know the serious wrongness of gay sex, regardless of what Fr. Martin says.
At the beginning of Romans, Paul describes pagan sexual morality as spiritual madness. He invites the whole but especially homosexuality as a result of idolatry. Such behavior is actually a form of worship of the “gods” .
Knowledge shall set you free Sexual orientation is determined in the womb during fetus development. Various agents are introduced at specific times to accomplish this .The fetus plays no part in this process. A person is, therefore, born with a predetermined orientation. It is not a choice, not a sin & not immoral. It is a natural expression of mammals & found commonplace in nature. Research in this area clearly explains this process. The book Gay, Straight & the Reason Why by Dr. Simon Levay shows this with numerous research articles. It also has, unlike the bible written over 2000 years ago by goat herders, an extensive bibliography. I strongly recommend the book. Peace
@@dan69052 You're incorrect. Recent studies show that only 25% of sexuality is determined by the state of the womb. Now, are YOU going to set yourself free with that piece of knowlsdge?
No wonder the Catholic Church is in the state it’s in with people like Martin in the Priesthood. The church now increasingly feels unrecognisable to the church I grew up in as a child.
in most ways, that is an absolutely wonderful thing. sex abuse was very common just decades ago in the priesthood. younger Catholics are far more traditional than older ones, at least in America.
I love your guest . Sincerely love him ! We must love ALL people , and he is beautiful , but never ratify behaviors that will damage or damn beautiful , precious , eternal souls .
Father James Martin is leading many of the flock astray by encouraging them to believe, and continue to believe, that mortal sins are blessings and that they will be able to enter into the kingdom of heaven, let alone purgatory, while in a state of mortal sin.
i don't think he's doing a half-job. before you show the way to salvation, you necessarily have to communicate that salvation is itself possible. that's the focus of the ministry.
Compassion without correction is crippling. Every sexual act, outside of God's original design is sinful. Homosexuality and adultery are equal. A heterosexual male/female who breaks their covenant with their spouse is just as guilty as those acting on same sex intercourse. I've seen restoration in those marriages and I've seen in my own family rebirth, coming out of the homosexual lifestyle. God is love and he alone can change the hearts of man, but we are to speak of his love and that does mean recognizing what sin is and how Jesus has given us power and authority over that sinful nature by focusing on him. He is Light and When our eyes are on him, we can see clearly to avoid the pitfalls and schemes of the devil.
There are Progressive Churches that are in support of this! What I'm referring to are such Protestant Denominations as the Episcopalian and PCUSA Churches!
I really like how Dan Mattson here presents Fr. Martin in a positive but corrective way and presents the full argument in Love and Compassion - instead of just bashing Fr. Martin in the brutish way so many Catholics manage to convey.
@@Adammadawooww Agreed. I too am appalled at the hate in the way we Catholics seem to express. We're all not he same page with the need for Priests to live chaste lives and there is zero room for clerical abuse, but it seems to me most of the hateful rhetoric is a homophobic reaction. I'm sure there are Priests with homosexual issues but not actively sexual - I wonder how they're handling all this - and I wonder how Fr Martin will be able to navigate his role in the aftermath of all this.
@@Adammadawooww You go right ahead and correct him re church teaching LOL! If he hasn't already been corrected! The man knows better!!! Remember - Love the sinner hate the sin!
@@Adammadawooww How dare you judge me from my comment! Love the sinner, hate the sin! In all circumstance we pray for ALL those who go astray! Yet the Lord says, I paraphrase better a millstone around your neck than lead my little ones astray!
Please read Father Harveys books on the homosexual person . They are in line with church teaching and gives insights . He defines the problem and the solution. The solut;ion is using the 12 step program and supporting the organization called Courage. Fr. James Martin is a wolf in sheep clothing and just one more reason why after each decade we say" oh my Jesus forgive us our sin save us from the fires of hell. Lead all souls to heaven especially those in need of mercy!!"
Thank you for this! On social media it seems like all the talk on Fr Martin is conservatives vs liberals angrily going back and forth. This was honest and gave Fr. Martin credit, but also addressed issues with his strategy in ministering to the LGBT community.
Becareful with calling anything schismatic, that is for the Church to decide unless they have specifically started a new Church. Nevertheless what he is doing is not even close to schism, it's razor thin to heresy.
What does Fr James Martin think about polygamy? Is that ok, too? Should those marriages be blessed also? What about poly amorous relationships? Where are his limits, if any? Just wondering how far he’s willing to take moral relativism...
He can acknowledge the Church's teaching, which he has, and that leaves him with two options: Either he can refuse the doctrine, making him a literal heretic, or he can accept it, and let these vain platitudes fall by the wayside.
@@munenex REALLY? So being heterosexual is a choice too....so when did u choose to be straight and maybe its just because u havn't met the right same sex partner???? Maybe its homophobia thats the choice and a sin?
@@reginapontes5672 yes I know ur fake Jesus (we christians call him satan) doesn't take me seriously......but he finds me a threat as u do as u fear Jesus BYE
In addition to him not stating clearly Church teaching, he seems to be a not so nice person. He's quite nasty to people who don't agree with him and blocks people on social media the minute they challenge him. Yet, he's allowed to continue on his merry little way. Personally, I think he is gay himself, which causes him to be so hateful to anyone who disagrees with him.
As someone who follows him on social media I agree with you on his poor response to people who disagree with him. I think it's unfair though to suggest that he's mean because he's gay. Same sex attraction doesn't come with inherent meanness. It does make him defensive to his cause and I'm surprised he hasn't been open about his own attractions.
@@andimcdove , while same sex attraction doesn't come with inherent meanness, Fr. Martin is calling for people to own their gay identity. When we take on sin or victimhood as our identity, it causes us to feel attacked when someone points out that those things are not who we really are. When we feel attacked, we automatically take a defensive position and often feel angry that we have to be on the defensive as a result of being who we think we are. I haven't yet met a mean or angry Catholic who truly lives the Christianity that Christ taught. I do expect that level of Christianity from every Catholic, especially our priests.
@@ginamedvedz5513 I'm not disagreeing with you. In fact i whole heartedly agree. When we feel accused or condemned our natural reaction is to be aggressive and defend ourselves. Fr Martin is in need of much prayer to grow in orthodoxy, charity and faithfulness to Christ and His Church. My only comment was same sex attraction does not automatically equal meanness or uncharitable behaviour. It's his conscience that he's trying to silence by embracing the gay lifestyle instead of embracing the will of Christ
Sorry, but if blocking people or otherwise restricting them on Catholic media is a sin, then every Catholic site and blogger (both conservative and progressive) is guilty of it.
stealing is a choice.......did u not know this? WOW......also u can not born a thief as babies have not stolen anything at birth. So ur clever phobic as an education scares u?
I could agree with everything James Martin says if he says to turn away from that sin. It's hard for unmarried heterosexual people too! it's difficult but dont tempt people to think that it's ok because God is tolerant and nonjudgmental about lifestyles...sorry if I have misunderstood Fr. Martin's teaching. it just feels like a huge temptation, for me, to think it's ok.
@Certabonun certamen I agree and Animal Farm scares me to death lol. It does seem like pandering. I can understand his strategy to try to attract them to the church but don't sugar coat it. When you start teaching mercy as tolerance of sinfulness then it is dangerous territory and people will misinterpret that as God being ok with such lifestyles which do not include chastity. Even for heterosexuals this sounds like a pretty good deal to not worry about sinning in that way because God is merciful...right? It's all around not a good approach without having clarity. Nobody wants to be told not to do something but truth is truth even if its unpleasant or hard to follow.
@Angry Hippo inclusion is one of those loaded words...I really dont like it because it's so misconstrued. The church is already "inclusive" the ones who are complaining just want to do whatever they want. They want to be told that chastity is not that important.
Just wants to justify sin. Nothing worse for the soul. Eternal damnation. Do we love them enough to show them the right path? Why would we listen to heresy?
Perhaps we should replace the churches teaching with the teachings of Christ. If you are about to say the churches teaching is the teaching of Christ, then why are you stealing His glory, why not call it the teachings of Christ instead of the teachings of the church? The church is made up of ppl who can be wrong, but what God says is never wrong. Thus saith the Lord has the power to convert souls and save lives, thus saith the church, no matter how correct, is still just another man's opinion. And that's why you have pastors supporting gay marriage, in there opinion it's fine, but what does God say...
The book isnt the only problem. Look at the things he posts on social media. He is not concerned with his "flock", only with how many followers he has and how popular he becomes
"LGBT" is a propaganda term used by those who wish to undermine the teaching of the Church. No Catholic should use them and they should never be validated by the Church in documents of any kind. Maybe it's not 'tolerant' but we are to be intolerant of this nonsense.
By refusing to use the term, you are no different than someone in the 1950s who refuses to call a black man anything else other than "boy" or worse, the N-word. Really, really reactionary stance here, I am at a loss for words.
Pope Francis also thanked Fr. Martin for his pastoral zeal and his “ability to be close to people, with the closeness that Jesus had, and which reflects the closeness of God. “I pray for your faithful, your ‘flock,’ and all those whom the Lord places in your care," concluded the Pope, "so that you protect them, and make them grow in the love of Our Lord Jesus Christ.
Why do you say he has lead Mattson astray? I think Mattson was just being charitable. Finding agreement where he could and then showing where he disagrees.
Hi Mary Jane - Could you expand on this? I think the guest does a great job at being charitable towards what Fr. Martin does well while still pointing out what he doesn’t. However, I may be biased. I don’t always agree with Fr. Martin, but I do think that sometimes people discount everything he says because of his recent book. Let us know what you think!
@@pintswithaquinas I think he's giving hope for change in Church teaching about homosexual and same sex marriage. I thought I had heard he wanted the catechism to be changed? No offence meant for Mattson. Yes, he was being charitable,.
The guest very clearly stated that he believes the Church's moral teachings are "good news" for men and women like him. I would gently suggest listening to the video one more time.
Why is it that Mr. Mattson seems more morally and theologically sound than the priest they are talking about. And Mr. Mattson has SSA at that. God bless you, Mr. Mattson. You are a blessing to the Church. Praised be God! 🙏
I don't understand why many catholics always talk about same sex relaationships but don't seem to bat an eye on heterosexual people having sex outside of church marriage or divorced people remarried. Should be the same kind of sin. I find this very hypocritial
Both are wrong but one violates natural law so that's why the reaction might be a bit worse towards it. Fornication and adultery are the main reason for the collapse of western civilization though tbh.
There is no such thing as a vicious hateful fascist campaign to promote those other sins, no shameless parades, no propaganda to convert other people to such lifestyles, no subversive infiltration of media, education, national and local government, no fanatical fascist spitting and screaming at anyone who has the temerity to voice another opinion. Get it. (That is not a question.)
So, Fr. Martin was moved by the tragedy involving the killing of innocent people at a gay bar but does not blame what caused that horror- namely, Islam. Can someone explain.
Fr. Martin's approach is the first phase of what Jesus did. Maybe perhaps once the person is already in the Church, another priest can be the second phase and tell the individual to not sin anymore. But I doubt the guy on the right had fully understood the book Building the Bridge. It explicitly and implicitly stated that there should be a two-way reconciliation, reaching out and not ostrascizing the lgbtqia+ community for the church people and trying to understand and embrace church teachings for the lgbtqia+ community. It's so evidently clear in the book! READ THE BOOOOOOK PEOPLE!
Matt, thank you for what you've been doing lately. Wish the folks at Catholic Answers would start doing the same and denounce the lies of leftist clerics. Thank you again.
This is why we need to stop trying to turn priests, bishops, popes, and cardinals into celebrities! Because people like Fr.Martin will come and try to get some of this fame and will by trying to appeal to outsiders by changing or dumbing down Church teaching. Even if this man had good intentions it still doesn’t make up for the fact he is leading people in the wrong direction and it’s clear to see that this bit of fame has gotten to his head. Also fame = power, so by giving people like Father Martin fame why wouldn’t others who are worse come along and try gain some of that fame to try gain power. Either by just craving fame itself or by something worse like destroying the Catholic Church, getting away with crimes such as pedophilia, murder, theft, and many other things.
The Bible nowhere discusses loving same-sex marriage. There are seven texts often cited by Christians to condemn homosexuality: Noah and Ham (Genesis 9:20-27), Sodom and Gomorrah (Genesis 19:1-11), Levitical laws condemning same-sex relationships (Leviticus 18:22, 20:13), two words in two Second Testament vice lists (1 Corinthians 6:9-10; 1 Timothy 1:10), and Paul's letter to the Romans (Romans 1:26-27). These do not refer to homosexual relationships between two free, adult, and loving individuals. They describe rape or attempted rape (Genesis 9:20-27, 19:1-11), cultic prostitution (Leviticus 18:22, 20:13), male prostitution and pederasty (1 Corinthians 6:9-10; 1 Timothy 1:10), and the Isis cult in Rome (Romans 1:26-27). If the biblical authors did assume homosexuality was evil, we do not theologize off of their cultural assumptions, we theologize off of the texts we have in the canon.
Question: do catholic’s here think that non catholic Christians (e.g Protestants) are real Christians or not and if they need to become roman catholic’s to be saved or not? (Asking this as I keep seeing conflicting opinions in the comments section, I’m evangelical FYI)
Since no one bothered to answer you I will! Yes, Protestants are "real" Christians. After all, you used to be US until you began to "PROTEST". You most certainly CAN be saved, because God can save whomever he chooses. There are massive differences in doctrine of course such as some protestants believe that "once saved always saved" and Catholics believe that you most certainly CAN lose your salvation and we would never presume to tell God he HAS to save us because the Holy Spirit visited us when we were 11 years old. I'm sure you know all this and other things separate us but I'll keep it short and just answer your question. Hope this helps....God bless you!
For Catholics, salvation is a result of cooperating with the grace of God, which became possible with Jesus' death on the cross. While the best ways to do this are to frequent the sacraments, there are other ways to receive God's grace, albeit to lesser degrees, such as practicing virtue, praying, etc. Mortal sin is a grave act which, by definition, means the person has separated him- or herself from God. They have rejected God's grace. Dying in this state of mortal sin means eternal separation from God, i.e. hell. It is the ONLY way to be damned. For an act to be mortal sin, the act must be grave and the person MUST know that what they are doing goes against God's will and yet they deliberately choose to do it anyway. If a person doesn't fully understand that what they are doing is seriously wrong or if they haven't completely consented to it, even if the act itself qualifies as grave matter, then they haven't committed a mortal sin. Some examples of grave matter (by no means an exhaustive list): Blasphemy, murder (including abortion), missing Sunday Mass without a legitimate reason, and any sexual act (including deliberately entertained sexual fantasies) which is not ordered to union and procreation within marriage. Another grave act would be to reject the Catholic Church as the Divine Institution founded by Jesus Christ (or to reject even one of her teachings), which is what Protestants do. However, they do so unwittingly so in most cases they are not committing a mortal sin. The problem with Protestants is that they don't believe in confession as a sacrament. As Catholics, we believe that under ordinary circumstances, the ONLY way to be forgiven of mortal sin is through confession. The only other way for someone to be forgiven of mortal sin is if they have perfect contrition (contrition based on a pure love of God) and are unable to go to confession, then their mortal sin is forgiven. However, perfect contrition is rather rare, since most people's contrition is based off of the fear of hell and the reward of heaven. This contrition is called imperfect contrition, which is sufficient for forgiveness of mortal sin in confession but which is insufficient outside of the sacrament which Christ gave to us. So when a Protestant commits a mortal sin, they must have perfect contrition for that sin to be forgiven, from the Catholic perspective. So yes, a Protestant absolutely can be saved. Even a To answer your first question, yes we see Protestants as real Christians. Venial sin is lesser sin, such as telling a fib or losing your temper or committing a grave act without full knowledge or consent. It doesn't involve forfeiting salvation but it can make it easier to commit mortal sin by developing vices and evil habits. Hope this helps. God bless!
Knock it off. We make dialogue impossible for ourselves if we reduce people to a political faction. Its the most harmful possible attitude you can have about someone. You can't convert or minister to anyone if you only look at them through this political lens. We forget that people have a lifetime of experiences, relationships, and decisions that make up who they are, and we erase that when we shrink that whole world down to their team in politics. Listen to how Mattson describes the way Jesus interacts with the woman at the well: he delves into her life and begins to know her past. That's the starting point. We actually fail in our duty to evangelize when we cut ourselves off from that kind of encounter.
@@shepf2 So true. You will often find that even in the most traditional of Churches, people who you think would never embrace an LGBT youth come around. We are not politics, we are humans.
So what is the "correct" way to minister to LGBT seeking God but not seeing that they are doing anything wrong? If Fr. Martin is incorrect, how would you do better reaching us?
@@pastorbri Are you father brokeback Martins lover? YOU ARE AREN'T YOU??!!!!??!?!? SOOOOO...don't you feel better now that we all know? Wipe off your lipstick and come on out...we know it's you.
Christ Mercy is greater than worst sin , to a REPENTANT sinner. read Saint Faustina. You can repent and change and come to the Mercy of Christ , but Gods Justice is equal to His mercy. So its our choice either come to the Mercy of Christ or face Gods Justice.
Hey Matt. I am grateful for so much of your work. But I am also grateful for Fr. Martin’s work. There is a place for both. Unfortunately, I see both platforms as a breeding ground for sowing seeds of division in the hearts of Catholics everywhere. Rather than trying to find common ground, the debate is becoming vitriolic and hateful. There is no room for hatred when God is Love. Leaders like yourself and Martin need to call their listeners and readers out daily to remind them that no teaching however loving it purports itself to be, can justify unloving behavior. We can not afford to contradict ourselves.
I haven’t read the book and I am not too familiar about Father Martin but I know that Jesus said woe to the man who leads His little ones to sin. People who identify themselves as LGBT need compassionate but firm correction and guidance to the truth. The last thing they need is a man of the church who minces the truth and leads people to believe that they have no need to change and should be left as they are. These creates confusion to the minds of many and leads people to sin further.
People who identify themselves as homophobic need compassionate but firm correction and guidance to the truth. The last thing they need is a man of the church who minces the truth and leads people to believe that they have no need to change and should be left as they are. These creates confusion to the minds of many and leads people to sin further.
@@pastorbri Let me guess...you're a methodist pastor. Lutheran maybe? No, no, no church of england!!! Why are you trolling on a Catholic channel? The Catholic Church has no need for your filthy modernism. AWAY with you!!!
Its interesting how they talk about him. Everything I hear in the larger conversation seems like Fr James Martin and his critics are speaking past each other. I really need to read the book before I can comment but I listened to the talk he gave in Atlanta and if the book is like the talk it is primarily directed at a Catholic audience, the point of him leaving moral theology out of that talk for the most part was that he was addressing our failings as Catholics for seeng the sin and not the sinner. The problem with Matt Fradd's argument is that it is based in the idea that the church and her members have nothing to apologize for and played no role in the fact that LGBT people feel they are unwelcome in the church. I am sure that Matt and most of here watching are not bigots and do not harbor hatred against others but there are those who do and often their message is heard louder than ours.
@Steve McQueen thanks for letting me know I'm not a Catholic. I didn't realize it was you who decided those kinds of things I'll be sure to defer to you in the future.
@Steve McQueen the only thing that I'm pushing for compassion is mindfulness. I'm not trying to advance any agenda I'm simply trying to point out the fact that most of our problems come from not fully understanding where the other person is coming from. If you want to condemn me for that I don't really care thankfully I don't get my self worth from what you or anyone else thinks of me. I let my understanding of what the Catholic faith teaches and stands for guide my decisions. God Bless. I'll say a quick prayer for you. Also you should be capitalizing the word Catholic.
@@TheGenius7685 then so is American, tall, fat, republican, democrat, young, old. Its simply a discriptor to describe the group of people who you are talking about if it makes you happy replace lgbt with ssa I really dont care it doesnt change my point.
@@Azygos1986 if the only reason you avoid sin is out of fear I truly feel sorry for you clearly you have only have only listened to Martin's critics and not the man himself since almost every assertion you made is incorrect and by your standards of moral perfectionism the church would be empty. I'll keep you in my prayers. God Bless.
I'm an English churchgoing Catholic (heterosexual) who would like to see the Church change it's doctrine on homosexuality. I honestly don't believe that loving gay and lesbian couples are defying God's will or are doing something "inherently evil". My neighbours are a Polish gay couple (very Catholic) and are the nicest folk you could ever meet. I don't believe that anyone has the right to tell them they should abandon each other's love and be single and celibate, and I genuinely think Jesus Christ wouldn't want them to. The attitude of the Church on homosexuality has done them enormous emotional harm in their lives, which they do not deserve in the slightest. I certainly don't think of them as 'abnormal' or involved in evil behaviour.
Thanks, Michael, for your words here. Like you, I am a heterosexual Catholic who knows two gay couples (together decades and married civilly) whose devotion to Christ and the Church stretches back to their childhoods. Their love for one another and the joy and life their relationship brings to others in the community call into question the current Church teaching that homosexual unions are sinful. If they were truly sinful, the shared lives of these gay couples could not effect the obvious grace of love, warmth, goodness, and service which is clear to all who know them and enjoy life with them. If their union was sinful and evil, nothing good and loving should emerge through their relationship. However, nothing could be further from the truth. This lived experience of Christ’s evident grace living through the unions of our gay brothers and sisters has certainly opened my eyes and changed my heart on this issue. Like you, Michael, I could never imagine Christ wanting their lives together dissolved when I feel it is Christ meeting us through them. Such is the sign of a blessing.
@@SS-ob5nv So much animosity comes from Christians because they simply do not have the experience to know how Queer people live and act. It is impossible to demonize Love once you recognize it for what it is.
The Chaplet of the Holy Face of Jesus is to honour the 5 Senses of Our Lord Jesus Christ, and entreating God for the Triumph of His Holy Church. The devils on being asked what verse in the Scriptures they feared the most, replied: “That with which the 67 Psalm commences: Let God arise, and let His Enemies be scattered, and let them that hate Him flee from before His face!” They added that this verse always compelled them to take flight. Inspired by Our Lord, this Chaplet was composed by Sister Mary of St Peter: “Our Lord inspired me at this time to compose certain prayers of reparation in the form of a Chaplet, or a small Rosary. This Chaplet is made up of thirty-three small beads, on which is recited thirty-three times the prayer, ‘Arise, O Lord, and let Thy enemies be scattered, and let them that hate Thee flee before Thy Face!’ and also six large beads on which our recited the ejaculation, ‘My Jesus, Mercy,’ followed Glory Be…’ One day after Holy Mass our Lord appeared to me presenting me with a similar Chaplet which I saw was made of precious stones strung on a fine gold chain. Deeming myself quite unworthy of possessing such a treasure, I begged the Blessed Virgin to keep this beautiful rosary for me by placing it in her Immaculate Heart, and I also begged our Lord to attach indulgences to the recitation of this Chaplet” - Sister Mary of St Peter (From the Book, “The Golden Arrow”) The Chaplet is composed of a Crucifix, 39 Beads, 6 of which are Large Beads and 33 of which are Small Beads. The 33 Small Beads represent the 33 years of the mortal life of our Lord. The first 30 recall to mind the 30 years of Jesus Private Life, and are divided into five decades of six. The Three Small Beads recall the public life of the Savior and honour the Wounds of His Adorable Face. A Large Bead to honour each of the senses precedes each of these five decades of six beads. The Purpose to render homage to all the sufferings our Lord endured to the Five Senses of His Body - the Sense of Touch, Hearing, Sight, Smell, and Taste, which have their seat principally in His Holy Face. THE CHAPLET TO THE HOLY FACE In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. V. O God, Come unto my assistance, R. O Lord, make haste to help me. V. Glory be to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Spirit, R. as it was in the beginning, is now, and ever shall be, world without end. Amen. † First Three Beads Meditate on the sufferings of the Crown of Thorns and His Holy Face Arise, O Lord, and let Thy enemies be scattered, and let them that hate Thee flee before Thy Holy Face! 3 times † FIRST MYSTERY To honour The Sense of Touch Large Beads My Jesus, Mercy! Glory Be… Small Beads Arise, O Lord, and let Thy enemies be scattered, and let them that hate Thee flee before Thy Holy Face! 6 times † SECOND MYSTERY To honour The Sense of Hearing Large Beads My Jesus, Mercy! Glory Be… Small Beads Arise, O Lord, and let Thy enemies be scattered, and let them that hate Thee flee before Thy Holy Face! 6 times † THIRD MYSTERY To honour The Sense of Sight Large Beads My Jesus, Mercy! Glory Be… Small Beads Arise, O Lord, and let Thy enemies be scattered, and let them that hate Thee flee before Thy Holy Face! 6 times † FOURTH MYSTERY To honour The Sense of Smell Large Beads My Jesus, Mercy! Glory Be… Small Beads Arise, O Lord, and let Thy enemies be scattered, and let them that hate Thee flee before Thy Holy Face! 6 times † FIFTH MYSTERY To honour The Sense of Taste Large Beads My Jesus, Mercy! Glory Be… Small Beads Arise, O Lord, and let Thy enemies be scattered, and let them that hate Thee flee before Thy Holy Face! 6 times † Glory Be… 7 times in honor of the Seven Last Words of Jesus from the Cross and the Seven Sorrows of Our Lady † CLOSING PRAYER O God, our Protector, look down upon us and cast Thine eyes upon the Face of Thy Christ! † Some additional prayers that are recommended to be said on the five beads afterwards (from the Revelations of Sister Mary of St Peter in the Golden Arrow Book). May God arise and let His enemies be scattered and let those who hate Him flee before His Face! May the Thrice Holy Name of God overthrow all their plans! May the Holy Name of the Living God split them up by disagreements! May the terrible Name of the God of Eternity stamp out all their godlessness! Lord, I do not desire the death of the sinner, but that he be converted and live. “Father, forgive them for they know not what they do.” The “Golden Arrow” prayer: May the most Holy, most Sacred, most Adorable, Most Incomprehensible and Ineffable Name of God Be always Praised, Blessed, Loved, Adored and Glorified, In Heaven, on Earth and under the Earth, By all the Creatures of God, And by the Sacred Heart of Our Lord Jesus Christ, In the most Holy Sacrament of the Altar. Amen. holywounds.net
The amount of hate I see in the comment sections of the churches views of homosexuality breaks my heart. People lashing out at others saying how you’ll go to hell but fail to recognise the evil that they’re doing to be breaking a human being down. At the end of the day, Jesus is our saviour. We don’t need ANYONE else’s approval or acceptance because we are loved and made by Christ. I really pray that one day the Catholic church will stop placing such a bright spotlight on homosexuals when it has only been mentioned ONCE in the bible which is also referring to GANG RAPE! If God thinks gays who act on their feelings belong in hell, don’t you think it would be mentioned more than just once in a clearer context? Don’t you think it would be in the ten commandments? But what does Jesus come and say to us? “A new commandment I give unto you, that you love one another as I have loved you”. You may not agree with another persons lifestyle choice, and in all honesty - it’s not your place. We are called to love one another. We all have our own cross to carry and people don’t CHOOSE to be gay. It’s a difficult enough thing to accept, we are not all lucky enough to have heterosexual inclinations and be able to get married in a church due to the sole purpose of the marriage basis being a man and woman. We focus so much on homosexuality yet we can so easily turn a blind eye to adultery, to motivating couples to forgive and reconcile after one has committed adultery (even though it IS in the 10 commandments). We all have our own cross to carry. Focus on your own. The hateful words? keep them to yourselves. We will all answer only to God. God bless you all.
As a homosexual man myself who has started my path into becoming a christian and coming to faith and accepting Jesus, I can't help just feel disheartened. Most of christian denominations say the same thing... God loves you... but... and that really is discourages me, but then I keep repeating to myself that there are no conditions to receive God's love. Jesus never said, you shall receive my grace if... or I will love you if... I understand that this may offend a lot of catholics here in the comments, but I want to point something out, yes scripture is God inspired, but it's still written by humans, all scripture authors have added their own interpretations to scripture, some more subtlely, some not. All churches are build from humans, and ... *I know .. shocker* people can be wrong, and people are wrong. A good friend of mine once told me, don't be discouraged or saddened when people use the Bible to judge others, the devil knows the Bible by heart, and he will use it to push you away from God. God bless you, and thank you very much for this comment of love and compassion
@@flauberb2645 God loves you, and you are God's wonderful creation. I am sorry for how badly most Catholics behave. Jesus commands us to love all people without exception. I personally dislike the phrase: "love the sin hate the sinner" because it comes off as arrogant. I did not chose to be straight, just as people who are bisexual or homosexual did not chose their sexual orientation. It is wrong to shame someone for part of who they are, who God made them to be. I hope you truly know in your soul that these disgusting comments are not of God. God is a being of perfect, limitless love with no hate, wrath, or blame. Moreover, the loudest voices are often not the most accurate. Thankfully, there are many theologians, pastors, and writers speaking out about these issues with authenticity and compassion. I am currently in university getting a degree in theology. My goal is to help the church become more loving and inclusive. For what it is worth, you have someone who wants you to be welcomes and accepted. I pray that God may send much love, peace, and joy into your life. Blessings! (Also, message me if you want any theology book recommendations on the aforementioned subject matter!)
I wonder after 35 years from now whether people who are half animal or half robot be welcomed at church. After all the church is not a museum for pretty people. Its like a hospital for spiritual healing, broken hearts. So literally anyone is welcome, even non catholics. Will we need priests like them to really understand them? I think thats what it means building bridges and reaching out to the worst sinners. Otherwise, who are you to judge and hate? People go to confession all the time, repeating the same sin over and over. Its best not to recieve communion in a state of mortal sin.
This entire dialogue is flawed. You will never reach Queer people, let alone gain any credibility, unless you reconcile the truth of the Queer experience with the ministry of Christ and the Gospel as a whole. And I don’t mean “empathizing” about how bad and unlucky Queer people might seem to you. I mean by understanding the Queer experience as something fundamentally the same as yours, something that you would consider good, natural, healthy and worthwhile and somehow explain why gender makes a difference. And I don’t mean “theology of the body” or gender essentialism I mean what fundamentally changes about the morality of the action. That’s the ultimate problem here. There has never been a why given. There’s a lot of theorizing about gender and sexuality but ultimately it just boils down to one of two things either people just have a latent bias against same-sex relationships or it’s because “the Bible says so” but even that is highly debated, Queer affirming Christians are not a rarity. But even if it were objectively and explicitly true that the Bible said that people weren’t allowed to be gay, then there should still be a reason. And no one has one, not one that they’re sharing anyways.
@@HodgePodgeVids1 Darling, calling it "clear" is an insult to my intelligence. If it were clear people wouldn't be arguing about it. But it is a fact that the concept of homosexuality(and consequently homosexuality) is never addressed in scripture. Male homoeroticism is briefly mentioned on numerous occasions but it is never universally prohibited, banned or condemned. Female homosexuality and homoeroticism is never mentions, no trans person is ever mentioned or condemend. What is in scripture is explicit mentions of the moral irrelevance of gender(Gal. 3:28) and explicit statements calling Love a moral good without exception(Gal. 5:22-23).
Anytime you set the idea that the only acceptable LGBT person is a former one somehow, you're part of the problem cause nobody I know even as a pastor says stop having sex before marriage or you're doomed. It doesn't work out that way.
@@pastorbri No, it's truth for you. Go spout your backwater homophobic agenda on your insta facebook feed and cry about how life is so hard for your "people". News flash everyone has problems.
@@glitchscribe NOOO Homophobia is sinful and promotion of this sin will send u to hell where all the evil homophobics belong, hope u can swim in the lakes of fire.....
It's weird to be a protestant surrounded by Catholics. The whole conversation is about the "church's" teaching. I don't know enough about the Catholic view, do they not see the church as being the body of Christ with Jesus Himself being the head?
Catholics believe that when Jesus spoke about his church, he meant a visible church. The Catholic Church is the church that was directly founded by Jesus, which is why Catholics will say “the church” (referring to the Catholic Church). Yes, the church includes a body of believers. And yes, Jesus is the high priest. But the difference between Protestants and Catholics here is that Protestants will say “the church” is just the people, while Catholics will say “the church” is the institution consisting of the people.
Catholic has official doctrine, it’s basically a who’s who of which interpretations are approved and which are seen as false. It’s typically used as a way of shutting down open dissent and prevent regular reform. So instead of people discussing the scripture, they can just say “the catechism says X” and then excuse themselves from the discussion. I’ve spoke with Catholics who refuse to even acknowledge that the Catechism has even changed treating it kind of like how Mormons treat the Book of Mormon. It can make radical changes to “official doctrine” but some people just view this as the perfection of the catechism being revealed, never mind that it was wrong before. Of course in general that’s not the case, most Catholics don’t adhere to official doctrine in one way or another and the doctrine of Catholics is about as diverse as it is for Protestants, just not officially.
I think a cool ministry would be to have a group of celibate gay priests and lay people march in gay pride parades with signs saying something like "Proud and chaste" and the obedience to back it up. Could it be both a challenge to the gay community and to those in the Church who have used the Church's teaching as an excuse to hate? Is the church spiritually mature for this?
@@pastorbri I think an underlying problem is that we have domesticated our faith to the point where in the words of scripture, we are a lukewarm church that, in some ways, deserves to be vomited out of the mouth of God. If we truly lived the radical faith that Jesus teaches, we would all be so challenged. Unfortunately, we pick and chose what are 'good sins' and what are 'bad sins.' When we seek to ask what we can get away with, we miss the point of almost every one of Jesus' teachings. When someone challenges themselves to live a radical life to follow the kingdom of God, we ridicule them. Peace
James Martin has also said, during his "retreats" that homosexuality is not sinful and gay men should be able to kiss during the mass. He also claimed that Christ learned humility from the woman at the well. He should be removed from the Priesthood.
I couldn't believe that freak show said that...As if the SON OF GOD needed to learn humility from a woman. (or anybody else for that matter) A few hundred years ago he would have been burned at the stake and rightfully so.
Reality can be hard to hear. If you pander to those you want to reach because you don't want to hurt their feelz, you're being a hypocrite and you're not teaching the true Catechism. That is what Fr. Martin is doing.
Yikes, Some of these hateful comments are the exact reason Fr. James Martins voice and this book are so important for the Church and all it’s faithful right now. Furthermore, I’m saddened that the content creator is allowing some of the hateful commenters on their page. I’m not saying people aren’t entitled to their opinions, but if your opinion are hateful, they are not helpful and not conductive to finding solutions. Not helpful at all. It’s important to remember this so we can find some commonality in our Faith in God - hence the title building a bridge. If you take the opportunity to actually read the book instead of immediately attacking it, you will notice that Fr. James Martin is simply opening up the dialogue between the Church and its LGBT members (whom by the way, exist).
We take out the garbage every week but how often do we go to confession and rid our souls of the real garbage that seperates us from the love that god has for us. Lets get rid of that whats seperates us from gods love give it a try what have you got to loose Dont be a stranger .
This is the outcome of decades of dumbing down the faith by clergy and laity alike and softening the Church’s teachings to appease the outside world. It is so heartening to see the laity stand up to these errant priests and bishops. It is incumbent upon every Catholic to challenge our clergy towards Gods truth.
Agreed.
i'm in my late fifties. i call the "dumbing down" of faith the "coloring book" and "cut felt art projects" that we got in ccd classes as little kids.
It's about time someone calls out Fr. James Martin aside from Church Militant. As a priest, he's leading his flock astray.
he is leading them to their death. not salvation...
As Pope Francis reminded the Bishops, and Fr. James Martin as a Clergy must heed.
"Sanctity is stronger than scandal"
Whatever mud they throw humility and silence will shield the innocent.
Exodus14:14
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Matt Frad was way to weak!!
He need more vigor in his opposition
Matt Frad was way to weak!!
He need more vigor in his opposition
Matt Fradd is officially my favorite main line catholic speaker. Faithful & courageously sharing Whole TRUTH.
"Go and sin no more." To believe in Jesus, one needs to believe in sin and objective truth. It is important for the Church to reflect and project Christ's mercy, but one needs to begin mercy from the perspective that some acts are objectively sinful.
@@Jan-Maggie Jesus was called seemingly every derogatory name in the book, with the possible exception of homophobic. I'm not a Bible-only kind of guy, but we don't seem to have any evidence He was called that. The world was and will always be opposed to Jesus. If the adulteress had been caught again, I'm guessing the same answer.
You don't need mercy, if you don't believe in sin. That's the very definition of a reprobate mind.
@David Russell Nothing! In fact, we are called to love God and neighbor. But that's love in the patient, kind, non-self-interested sense of the word as St. Paul described in 1 Corinthians 13. You know; where one truly puts the interests of others, temporal and eternal, above himself. I suspect what you are talking about is just sex.
@David Russell Fair point on not being sure what you meant by love, but since you posted that seemingly questioning my earlier comment, I also think it is a fair suspicion that we aren't talking about the same meaning of the word. If there is any chance in your mind that Sacred Scripture is truth, and Sacred Scripture prohibits the kind of sexual acts this video is about, then by engaging in those acts anyway is selfish, and not true love. Selfish because one is exposing the other to something that offends God. There's nothing sacrificial in that. It just becomes a sexual bargain, in which God is left out of the picture. Kind of a 'you get yours, I get mine' type of thing. Now, we are all sinners, and we aren't supposed to judge others because we all have the same Judge (whether we believe in Him or not). So the 'none of your business' comment does have some merit. But as your neighbor, at least in the digital sense of the word, how can I love you while not explaining my understanding of the word? That would just be me putting on blinders, again, assuming you were referring to sexual bargain and not true love.
@@boxoffrogs-studio Well, I would say that point is discernible in the comments above, but to satisfy your curiosity, I'll try again. Pure love is selfless. A man can have selfless love for another man, and should. But a man having sex with another man is being selfish rather than selfless, because he is pulling his sexual partner into activities that violate natural law and offend God (we believe, anyway, as per Sacred Scripture).
Mercy without Justice is license to sin.
Isn't Mercy without Justice exactly what you're getting with Jesus?
Mercy is given to the repentant???
There is no mercy without justice
@@jmjaquinas7298 yes, mercy without justice is not love! Mercy is given through the justice of our repentance and penance and mercy comes from the love of the Sacred Heart and the Immaculate Heart.
SammytheStampede justice without mercy is simply revenge .
St. Augustine said it best """"""LOVE THE SINNER, HATE THE SIN."""""
Yes, that may be true, but if you truly love the sinner you will set them straight with the truth.
If you love the sinner, you don't leave them in their sin - you point them to the truth - after all, Christianity is just one beggar showing another beggar where to find food (truth).
TRUE MEASURE OF ONE'S LOVE FOR OTHERS IS TO TELL THEM THE TRUTH ABOUT GOD'S WILL! NO CULTURE, NO IDEOLOGY, NO MENTALITY, NO PHILOSOPHY CAN EVER ERASE OR DISREGARDS IT, FOR IT WILL BE ACCOUNTED FOR IN THE NEXT LIFE
You’ll be judged the way you judge other people.
May he who has never sinned cast the first stone at her.
"Hate the sinner love the sin" is not inclusive and is exceedingly cruel.This saying is enabling permission to hate instead of love. (Tolerance vs acceptance) Remember Matthew 7:1-2
We only talk of the merciful lord, we forgot to talk about the just judge
Lovely insight.
I say this exact same phrase. Maybe is due to Vatican II?
you can't have both. mercy is the suspension of justice.
@@louiscyfer6944 right now is the time for mercy. After death, He is the just judge, not the merciful lord
@@louiscyfer6944 No, mercy is the fullness of justice.
Fr. James Martin made some odd tweet about “St John Henry Newman” was gay. Like.... nah that’s just disrespectful.
THAT IS NOT DISRESPECTFUL AT ALL.I would be very offended if someone said I was heterosexual. I am gay and blessed to be
HENRY NEWMAN WAS GAY.THAT IS NOT AN INSULT TO POINT THAT OUT.
@@lorenzobianchini4415 nah.
@@papallegatepoope3010 Yes he was as are many holy and wonderful people.The best in fact
@@lorenzobianchini4415 brother, you have a big cross. Courage with your chastity struggle.
it is not enough to "not challenge" the church's teaching. It must be affirmed, promoted and celebrated by all faithful catholics, especially those with a teaching and pastoral vocation.
I don't understand how the examples you said are ever relevant. Jesus picked Mary Magdalene from a sinful life to a life of Godly love. The church's aim must not be include everyone but to help the marginalised and lead them to God, not to their desires.
@David Russell We are definitely not on the same page...😑. (Edited🙄)
Such teaching as there is no law against Love(Galatians 5:22-23).
@@Grokford Among the fruits of the Spirit in Galatians 5:22-23 is “self-control.” If a Christian experiences disordered sexual desire (such as attraction to a person of the same sex) then the Spirit can give them the self-control they need to resist it.
Fr Martin makes it a point to try to not be interviewed/questioned by people asking those "hard questions" or may disagree with him. You know Church Militant would have a field day with an interview with him. Thanks for the upload Mr Fradd!
Regardless of his so called passion for reaching out, there can never be a Bridge between Sin and the Church.
Being homosexual is NOT a sin. Acting on it is, but you are condemning people for what they are instead of what they do.
@@ArizonaWillful, well, it depends on the denomination and normative ethical theory. Protestants traditionally affirm either a form of Christian consequentialism or deonotology (via Divine Command Theory). Catholics usually affirm virtue ethics, wherein the motivation is what constitutes the sin as opposed to merely the action or consequence. This is why Catholics, in particular, tend to be harsh on *homosexuals* (defined insofar as they have same-sex attraction, not merely insofar as they act) where Protestants tend to be harsh on *sodomy* (or the lived consequences of a homosexual life style).
@flyingphoenix113 I'd say it's quite the opposite. Protestant denominations that are against homosexual activity are generally far more anti gay than the average practicing Catholic, as someone who has been in both churches. this is at least true in my region.
@@flyingphoenix113 totally wrong.
@@kurtwhiteley481, interesting. I'm speaking from an academic context, whereby the Catholics and Orthodox are almost always the harshest on homosexuality (by contrast, the Methodist church is embroiled in a debate as to if or if not sodomy can even be classified as a sin, with same-sex attraction being a regular feature of both congregates and, now, clergy). I presume you must be from the United States? That seems to be the only place whereby the Protestants tend to have a harder stance on Homosexuality than Catholics/Orthodox.
Matt, you put it perfectly - Fr Martin doesn't say 'go and sin no more'.
so homophobics must go sin no more.
This is a great video! I loved how charitable the language used in this video is. Matt, thank you for using the truth and expressing concern about Fr. Martin’s ministry while including the voice of someone who experiences same sex attraction. And thank you for being charitable towards Fr. Martin! I think too many times us Catholics fall into believing that Fr. Martin WANTS to do harm to the church and is intentionally being malicious. After biting the bullet and reluctantly reading his book myself, I believe Fr. Martin is a man with good intentions for the most part. I see so many Catholics taking his quotes from one book and saying things like “ALL Jesuits are homosexual supporters!” Or “James Martin isn’t a real priest!” Which is just not true. It is so refreshing to see a dialogue online that challenges his book without discounting his priesthood, the jesuits as a whole, or the experience of people who are same-sex attracted.
@@Azygos1986 I haven't read every comment here, but many. Yours is the best so far. (My suggestion, use a few paragraphs to make long compositions easier to read. Thanks.)
Listen/read what the Most Venerable Archbishop Fulton J Sheen has to say about tolerance and the evils of tolerating sin!
how about a link or book recommendations.
@@carlos2408 I concur, that would've been helpful. I will revert if I ever find it.
@@aquariuskiwilog thank you
@@hobby1759 that's an awesome article. Thanks
@@carlos2408 you are welcome 👍🏾👍🏾
I love that this show shares the truth in a loving way. It is possible to love your neighbor and advocate the truth of God's word ❤️🙌
Stop patting people on the back for the bare minimum of not being openly hostile. Queer people have questions, and unless they are answered satisfactorily no amount of patronistic "truth" is going to reach them.
This dialogue between Matt Fradd and Dan Mattson is respectful and embracing. I feel edified by it. I contrast this with the language that exudes from some of the comments written on this page.
Excellent point Matt. James Martin says he will not "challenge the church's teaching on homosexuality", but James should be honest and clear and state if he 'believes' in the church's teaching! Very different statements. And as a Catholic priest, he needs to accept all of Catholic doctrine .
This man is truly close to God. Denying himself his sexuality choice. Must be very difficult
"a bridge too far"
"a bridge to hell"...
@Steve McQueen
I doubt that Atman Brahman intended to say Fr. Martin's book title was a reference to anything.
So saying, I find it ironic that connect the LGBT+ rainbow with the Buddhist rainbow bridge; the former is all about desire. Isn't the latter about putting an end to it?
yes homophobia is a bridge to hell
Despite his appearance, Fr. Martin is as cynical as they come. This is why: He's aware that for an act to be mortally sinful, the actor must know the act is seriously wrong. Solution: Fr. Martin leads homosexuals to believe that homosexuality is not seriously wrong; ergo, no mortal sin. Instead of saying "Go, and sin no more," he says, "Go. I love you, and so does Jesus." This is not the full message of Christ, but it accomplishes what Fr. Martin wants (or so he thinks). At the cost of souls, because Catholics are held to know the serious wrongness of gay sex, regardless of what Fr. Martin says.
At the beginning of Romans, Paul describes pagan sexual morality as spiritual madness. He invites the whole but especially homosexuality as a result of idolatry. Such behavior is actually a form of worship of the “gods” .
@@JRobbySh Yes. It replicates the pagan rites that honour fallen angels, otherwise known as demons.
Knowledge shall set you free Sexual orientation is determined in the womb during fetus development. Various agents are introduced at specific times to accomplish this .The fetus plays no part in this process. A person is, therefore, born with a predetermined orientation. It is not a choice, not a sin & not immoral. It is a natural expression of mammals & found commonplace in nature. Research in this area clearly explains this process. The book Gay, Straight & the Reason Why by Dr. Simon Levay shows this with numerous research articles. It also has, unlike the bible written over 2000 years ago by goat herders, an extensive bibliography. I strongly recommend the book. Peace
@@dan69052 You're incorrect. Recent studies show that only 25% of sexuality is determined by the state of the womb. Now, are YOU going to set yourself free with that piece of knowlsdge?
@@saints51 Read the book.
No wonder the Catholic Church is in the state it’s in with people like Martin in the Priesthood. The church now increasingly feels unrecognisable to the church I grew up in as a child.
thats a good thing
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in most ways, that is an absolutely wonderful thing. sex abuse was very common just decades ago in the priesthood. younger Catholics are far more traditional than older ones, at least in America.
You can thank Vatican II for that. Not gays or Father Martin.
I love your guest .
Sincerely love him !
We must love ALL people , and he is beautiful , but never ratify behaviors that will damage or damn beautiful , precious , eternal souls .
Father James Martin is leading many of the flock astray by encouraging them to believe, and continue to believe, that mortal sins are blessings and that they will be able to enter into the kingdom of heaven, let alone purgatory, while in a state of mortal sin.
Any priest who says he is not a moral theologian needs to find a new vocation.
i don't think he's doing a half-job. before you show the way to salvation, you necessarily have to communicate that salvation is itself possible. that's the focus of the ministry.
He built half a bridge which leads souls to drop off into the River Styx.
Compassion without correction is crippling. Every sexual act, outside of God's original design is sinful. Homosexuality and adultery are equal. A heterosexual male/female who breaks their covenant with their spouse is just as guilty as those acting on same sex intercourse. I've seen restoration in those marriages and I've seen in my own family rebirth, coming out of the homosexual lifestyle. God is love and he alone can change the hearts of man, but we are to speak of his love and that does mean recognizing what sin is and how Jesus has given us power and authority over that sinful nature by focusing on him. He is Light and When our eyes are on him, we can see clearly to avoid the pitfalls and schemes of the devil.
There are Progressive Churches that are in support of this! What I'm referring to are such Protestant Denominations as the Episcopalian and PCUSA Churches!
Well said!
I really like how Dan Mattson here presents Fr. Martin in a positive but corrective way and presents the full argument in Love and Compassion - instead of just bashing Fr. Martin in the brutish way so many Catholics manage to convey.
@@Adammadawooww Agreed. I too am appalled at the hate in the way we Catholics seem to express. We're all not he same page with the need for Priests to live chaste lives and there is zero room for clerical abuse, but it seems to me most of the hateful rhetoric is a homophobic reaction. I'm sure there are Priests with homosexual issues but not actively sexual - I wonder how they're handling all this - and I wonder how Fr Martin will be able to navigate his role in the aftermath of all this.
@@Adammadawooww You go right ahead and correct him re church teaching LOL! If he hasn't already been corrected! The man knows better!!!
Remember - Love the sinner hate the sin!
@@Adammadawooww How dare you judge me from my comment! Love the sinner, hate the sin!
In all circumstance we pray for ALL those who go astray! Yet the Lord says, I paraphrase better a millstone around your neck than lead my little ones astray!
Real love means helping your brethren not to sin.
Love is not a sin.
Please read Father Harveys books on the homosexual person . They are in line with church teaching and gives insights . He defines the problem and the solution. The solut;ion is using the 12 step program and supporting the organization called Courage. Fr. James Martin is a wolf in sheep clothing and just one more reason why after each decade we say" oh my Jesus forgive us our sin save us from the fires of hell. Lead all souls to heaven especially those in need of mercy!!"
GOD DOESN'T COMPROMISE ON SIN WHEN HE CALLS A SINNER TO REPENTANCE.
Thank you for this! On social media it seems like all the talk on Fr Martin is conservatives vs liberals angrily going back and forth. This was honest and gave Fr. Martin credit, but also addressed issues with his strategy in ministering to the LGBT community.
He's leading people to hell, there is nothing more cruel than that
Martin needs to TEACH the Churches teaching! It’s his JOB
He'd rather eat broken glass...Brokeback Martin is a heretic. He's just another careerist using Christ church as his own gay dating service.
@@deusvult7559 this is why im Orthodox Christian ☦
Not really, I think his job is to lead his congregation not to blindly follow top-down concepts from other human beings.
Fr Martin, homosexualist and schismatic, positively loves ALL media attention, good or bad. It feeds his massive ego. Deprive him of this!
Becareful with calling anything schismatic, that is for the Church to decide unless they have specifically started a new Church.
Nevertheless what he is doing is not even close to schism, it's razor thin to heresy.
@@Bashcutter FR Martin has dedicated his priesthood to leading souls away from the teachings of the RC Church. That's not okay!!!
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I never justified that, I said do not call schism what is not schism
What does Fr James Martin think about polygamy? Is that ok, too? Should those marriages be blessed also? What about poly amorous relationships? Where are his limits, if any? Just wondering how far he’s willing to take moral relativism...
Polygamy was fine for many of God's favorite people in the Old Testament.
He can acknowledge the Church's teaching, which he has, and that leaves him with two options: Either he can refuse the doctrine, making him a literal heretic, or he can accept it, and let these vain platitudes fall by the wayside.
3:53 "people who have been hurt by the Church..." I think it he means people in the Church or who represent the Church NOT the Church itself.
Could be people outside the church aswell hurt by other who hate the LGBTQ
I think he meant people who have been hurt by church buildings falling on them
The church does not exist outside the people who make it up.
If one is LGBT, etc. they are called to chastity. Period.
Praise God. Other than church Militant, other ministries also picking up the wolf in sheep’s clothing. Mathew 7:15. Hi, from India.
What a wonderful guest
The Devil used scripture to tempt our Lord. Fr. Martin is omitting Truth to the detriment of souls, including his own.
He embraces sinners (allegedly)= good and pastoral.
He also embraces sin (allegedly)= wrong and evil.
I’m a drug addict and I am hurt by the Church because she says my choices are sinful. The church needs to accept drugs.
drug abuse is a choice u simple fool.
@@pastorbri being gay is a choice.
@@munenex REALLY? So being heterosexual is a choice too....so when did u choose to be straight and maybe its just because u havn't met the right same sex partner???? Maybe its homophobia thats the choice and a sin?
@@reginapontes5672 well as ur no christian, who cares what u think? I agree with God, shame u do not.
@@reginapontes5672 yes I know ur fake Jesus (we christians call him satan) doesn't take me seriously......but he finds me a threat as u do as u fear Jesus BYE
In addition to him not stating clearly Church teaching, he seems to be a not so nice person. He's quite nasty to people who don't agree with him and blocks people on social media the minute they challenge him. Yet, he's allowed to continue on his merry little way. Personally, I think he is gay himself, which causes him to be so hateful to anyone who disagrees with him.
As someone who follows him on social media I agree with you on his poor response to people who disagree with him. I think it's unfair though to suggest that he's mean because he's gay. Same sex attraction doesn't come with inherent meanness. It does make him defensive to his cause and I'm surprised he hasn't been open about his own attractions.
@@andimcdove , while same sex attraction doesn't come with inherent meanness, Fr. Martin is calling for people to own their gay identity. When we take on sin or victimhood as our identity, it causes us to feel attacked when someone points out that those things are not who we really are. When we feel attacked, we automatically take a defensive position and often feel angry that we have to be on the defensive as a result of being who we think we are. I haven't yet met a mean or angry Catholic who truly lives the Christianity that Christ taught. I do expect that level of Christianity from every Catholic, especially our priests.
@@ginamedvedz5513 I'm not disagreeing with you. In fact i whole heartedly agree. When we feel accused or condemned our natural reaction is to be aggressive and defend ourselves. Fr Martin is in need of much prayer to grow in orthodoxy, charity and faithfulness to Christ and His Church. My only comment was same sex attraction does not automatically equal meanness or uncharitable behaviour. It's his conscience that he's trying to silence by embracing the gay lifestyle instead of embracing the will of Christ
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Sorry, but if blocking people or otherwise restricting them on Catholic media is a sin, then every Catholic site and blogger (both conservative and progressive) is guilty of it.
His name is James Martin and he needs to be excommunicated
I’m a thief. I was born a thief. God made me a thief. Everyone needs to accept me as I am. Expecting me to change is thiefo phobic
stealing is a choice.......did u not know this? WOW......also u can not born a thief as babies have not stolen anything at birth. So ur clever phobic as an education scares u?
Kleptomania is a thing.
I could agree with everything James Martin says if he says to turn away from that sin. It's hard for unmarried heterosexual people too! it's difficult but dont tempt people to think that it's ok because God is tolerant and nonjudgmental about lifestyles...sorry if I have misunderstood Fr. Martin's teaching. it just feels like a huge temptation, for me, to think it's ok.
@Certabonun certamen I agree and Animal Farm scares me to death lol. It does seem like pandering. I can understand his strategy to try to attract them to the church but don't sugar coat it. When you start teaching mercy as tolerance of sinfulness then it is dangerous territory and people will misinterpret that as God being ok with such lifestyles which do not include chastity. Even for heterosexuals this sounds like a pretty good deal to not worry about sinning in that way because God is merciful...right? It's all around not a good approach without having clarity. Nobody wants to be told not to do something but truth is truth even if its unpleasant or hard to follow.
@Angry Hippo inclusion is one of those loaded words...I really dont like it because it's so misconstrued. The church is already "inclusive" the ones who are complaining just want to do whatever they want. They want to be told that chastity is not that important.
Just wants to justify sin. Nothing worse for the soul. Eternal damnation. Do we love them enough to show them the right path? Why would we listen to heresy?
Perhaps we should replace the churches teaching with the teachings of Christ. If you are about to say the churches teaching is the teaching of Christ, then why are you stealing His glory, why not call it the teachings of Christ instead of the teachings of the church? The church is made up of ppl who can be wrong, but what God says is never wrong. Thus saith the Lord has the power to convert souls and save lives, thus saith the church, no matter how correct, is still just another man's opinion. And that's why you have pastors supporting gay marriage, in there opinion it's fine, but what does God say...
The book isnt the only problem. Look at the things he posts on social media. He is not concerned with his "flock", only with how many followers he has and how popular he becomes
Father Martin says and does everything according to his only number one priority the gay movement..He is not objective and slave to his lifestyle.
A celibate lifestyle.
@@tomgreene2282 let's hope that's the one
"LGBT" is a propaganda term used by those who wish to undermine the teaching of the Church. No Catholic should use them and they should never be validated by the Church in documents of any kind. Maybe it's not 'tolerant' but we are to be intolerant of this nonsense.
By refusing to use the term, you are no different than someone in the 1950s who refuses to call a black man anything else other than "boy" or worse, the N-word. Really, really reactionary stance here, I am at a loss for words.
@@writinghealth this ain't it, chief. There's a massive difference between sodomites and racism.
We need to be intolerant of free speech. Got it.
homophobia is a propaganda term that is undermining the church
Pope Francis also thanked Fr. Martin for his pastoral zeal and his “ability to be close to people, with the closeness that Jesus had, and which reflects the closeness of God.
“I pray for your faithful, your ‘flock,’ and all those whom the Lord places in your care," concluded the Pope, "so that you protect them, and make them grow in the love of Our Lord Jesus Christ.
Matt, I think Fr Martin is leading a lot of people astray, including your guest! Giving hope for change in the Church, where there can be no change!
Why do you say he has lead Mattson astray? I think Mattson was just being charitable. Finding agreement where he could and then showing where he disagrees.
Hi Mary Jane -
Could you expand on this? I think the guest does a great job at being charitable towards what Fr. Martin does well while still pointing out what he doesn’t. However, I may be biased. I don’t always agree with Fr. Martin, but I do think that sometimes people discount everything he says because of his recent book. Let us know what you think!
@@pintswithaquinas I think he's giving hope for change in Church teaching about homosexual and same sex marriage. I thought I had heard he wanted the catechism to be changed? No offence meant for Mattson. Yes, he was being charitable,.
The guest very clearly stated that he believes the Church's moral teachings are "good news" for men and women like him. I would gently suggest listening to the video one more time.
@@vivimaze I will...perhaps I spoke too soon!
Why is it that Mr. Mattson seems more morally and theologically sound than the priest they are talking about. And Mr. Mattson has SSA at that. God bless you, Mr. Mattson. You are a blessing to the Church. Praised be God! 🙏
I don't understand why many catholics always talk about same sex relaationships but don't seem to bat an eye on heterosexual people having sex outside of church marriage or divorced people remarried. Should be the same kind of sin. I find this very hypocritial
@Patz13 Its because homophobics are proud of their sinful lifestyle choice
Both are wrong but one violates natural law so that's why the reaction might be a bit worse towards it. Fornication and adultery are the main reason for the collapse of western civilization though tbh.
But they do speak out. Look at the teachings on the Theology of the Body.
What are you even talking about. Catholics talk about that all the time as sins and condemn it greatly.
There is no such thing as a vicious hateful fascist campaign to promote those other sins, no shameless parades, no propaganda to convert other people to such lifestyles, no subversive infiltration of media, education, national and local government, no fanatical fascist spitting and screaming at anyone who has the temerity to voice another opinion. Get it. (That is not a question.)
So, Fr. Martin was moved by the tragedy involving the killing of innocent people at a gay bar but does not blame what caused that horror- namely, Islam. Can someone explain.
Keep up the good work, Mr Fradd. May God bless the work and the worker.
Fr. Martin's approach is the first phase of what Jesus did. Maybe perhaps once the person is already in the Church, another priest can be the second phase and tell the individual to not sin anymore.
But I doubt the guy on the right had fully understood the book Building the Bridge. It explicitly and implicitly stated that there should be a two-way reconciliation, reaching out and not ostrascizing the lgbtqia+ community for the church people and trying to understand and embrace church teachings for the lgbtqia+ community. It's so evidently clear in the book!
READ THE BOOOOOOK PEOPLE!
Matt, thank you for what you've been doing lately. Wish the folks at Catholic Answers would start doing the same and denounce the lies of leftist clerics. Thank you again.
Matt this was a good interview. Next time, let the guest land his thoughts before you jump in again. Thanks for your work
This is why we need to stop trying to turn priests, bishops, popes, and cardinals into celebrities! Because people like Fr.Martin will come and try to get some of this fame and will by trying to appeal to outsiders by changing or dumbing down Church teaching. Even if this man had good intentions it still doesn’t make up for the fact he is leading people in the wrong direction and it’s clear to see that this bit of fame has gotten to his head. Also fame = power, so by giving people like Father Martin fame why wouldn’t others who are worse come along and try gain some of that fame to try gain power. Either by just craving fame itself or by something worse like destroying the Catholic Church, getting away with crimes such as pedophilia, murder, theft, and many other things.
You're spot on!
"This argument begins at rooftop and ends at ground level"
The Bible nowhere discusses loving same-sex marriage.
There are seven texts often cited by Christians to condemn homosexuality: Noah and Ham (Genesis 9:20-27), Sodom and Gomorrah (Genesis 19:1-11), Levitical laws condemning same-sex relationships (Leviticus 18:22, 20:13), two words in two Second Testament vice lists (1 Corinthians 6:9-10; 1 Timothy 1:10), and Paul's letter to the Romans (Romans 1:26-27). These do not refer to homosexual relationships between two free, adult, and loving individuals. They describe rape or attempted rape (Genesis 9:20-27, 19:1-11), cultic prostitution (Leviticus 18:22, 20:13), male prostitution and pederasty (1 Corinthians 6:9-10; 1 Timothy 1:10), and the Isis cult in Rome (Romans 1:26-27). If the biblical authors did assume homosexuality was evil, we do not theologize off of their cultural assumptions, we theologize off of the texts we have in the canon.
Question: do catholic’s here think that non catholic Christians (e.g Protestants) are real Christians or not and if they need to become roman catholic’s to be saved or not? (Asking this as I keep seeing conflicting opinions in the comments section, I’m evangelical FYI)
Since no one bothered to answer you I will! Yes, Protestants are "real" Christians. After all, you used to be US until you began to "PROTEST". You most certainly CAN be saved, because God can save whomever he chooses. There are massive differences in doctrine of course such as some protestants believe that "once saved always saved" and Catholics believe that you most certainly CAN lose your salvation and we would never presume to tell God he HAS to save us because the Holy Spirit visited us when we were 11 years old. I'm sure you know all this and other things separate us but I'll keep it short and just answer your question. Hope this helps....God bless you!
For Catholics, salvation is a result of cooperating with the grace of God, which became possible with Jesus' death on the cross. While the best ways to do this are to frequent the sacraments, there are other ways to receive God's grace, albeit to lesser degrees, such as practicing virtue, praying, etc.
Mortal sin is a grave act which, by definition, means the person has separated him- or herself from God. They have rejected God's grace. Dying in this state of mortal sin means eternal separation from God, i.e. hell. It is the ONLY way to be damned. For an act to be mortal sin, the act must be grave and the person MUST know that what they are doing goes against God's will and yet they deliberately choose to do it anyway. If a person doesn't fully understand that what they are doing is seriously wrong or if they haven't completely consented to it, even if the act itself qualifies as grave matter, then they haven't committed a mortal sin.
Some examples of grave matter (by no means an exhaustive list):
Blasphemy, murder (including abortion), missing Sunday Mass without a legitimate reason, and any sexual act (including deliberately entertained sexual fantasies) which is not ordered to union and procreation within marriage.
Another grave act would be to reject the Catholic Church as the Divine Institution founded by Jesus Christ (or to reject even one of her teachings), which is what Protestants do. However, they do so unwittingly so in most cases they are not committing a mortal sin.
The problem with Protestants is that they don't believe in confession as a sacrament. As Catholics, we believe that under ordinary circumstances, the ONLY way to be forgiven of mortal sin is through confession. The only other way for someone to be forgiven of mortal sin is if they have perfect contrition (contrition based on a pure love of God) and are unable to go to confession, then their mortal sin is forgiven. However, perfect contrition is rather rare, since most people's contrition is based off of the fear of hell and the reward of heaven. This contrition is called imperfect contrition, which is sufficient for forgiveness of mortal sin in confession but which is insufficient outside of the sacrament which Christ gave to us. So when a Protestant commits a mortal sin, they must have perfect contrition for that sin to be forgiven, from the Catholic perspective.
So yes, a Protestant absolutely can be saved. Even a
To answer your first question, yes we see Protestants as real Christians.
Venial sin is lesser sin, such as telling a fib or losing your temper or committing a grave act without full knowledge or consent. It doesn't involve forfeiting salvation but it can make it easier to commit mortal sin by developing vices and evil habits.
Hope this helps. God bless!
Trying to dialogue with radical lgbt is as pointess as trying to dialogue with antifa.
Radical LGBT? It's only about 25% of the population. The rest of us just want to live our lives in peace.
Knock it off. We make dialogue impossible for ourselves if we reduce people to a political faction. Its the most harmful possible attitude you can have about someone. You can't convert or minister to anyone if you only look at them through this political lens. We forget that people have a lifetime of experiences, relationships, and decisions that make up who they are, and we erase that when we shrink that whole world down to their team in politics. Listen to how Mattson describes the way Jesus interacts with the woman at the well: he delves into her life and begins to know her past. That's the starting point. We actually fail in our duty to evangelize when we cut ourselves off from that kind of encounter.
@@shepf2 First class reply. May we all (myself included) pay attention to your advice.
@@shepf2 So true. You will often find that even in the most traditional of Churches, people who you think would never embrace an LGBT youth come around. We are not politics, we are humans.
This video is like a half hearted justification for bigotry.
So what is the "correct" way to minister to LGBT seeking God but not seeing that they are doing anything wrong? If Fr. Martin is incorrect, how would you do better reaching us?
We should pray for Fr Martin that he may be converted
I pray for homophobics to be converted
@@pastorbri Are you father brokeback Martins lover? YOU ARE AREN'T YOU??!!!!??!?!? SOOOOO...don't you feel better now that we all know? Wipe off your lipstick and come on out...we know it's you.
Lord Jesus, have Mercy on us, sinners. protect us from false prophets and false teachings!!
Fr James Martin needs to be defrocked!
Great video thank you talking about this!
Fr.Martin's bishop needs to calm him to order!!!
Fr. James Martin needs to be excommunicated !
Christ Mercy is greater than worst sin , to a REPENTANT sinner. read Saint Faustina. You can repent and change and come to the Mercy of Christ , but Gods Justice is equal to His mercy. So its our choice either come to the Mercy of Christ or face Gods Justice.
Fr. James Martin is so far removed from the Catholic faith that Pope Francis made him Communications director for the Vatican.
Hey Matt. I am grateful for so much of your work. But I am also grateful for Fr. Martin’s work. There is a place for both. Unfortunately, I see both platforms as a breeding ground for sowing seeds of division in the hearts of Catholics everywhere. Rather than trying to find common ground, the debate is becoming vitriolic and hateful. There is no room for hatred when God is Love. Leaders like yourself and Martin need to call their listeners and readers out daily to remind them that no teaching however loving it purports itself to be, can justify unloving behavior. We can not afford to contradict ourselves.
I haven’t read the book and I am not too familiar about Father Martin but I know that Jesus said woe to the man who leads His little ones to sin. People who identify themselves as LGBT need compassionate but firm correction and guidance to the truth. The last thing they need is a man of the church who minces the truth and leads people to believe that they have no need to change and should be left as they are. These creates confusion to the minds of many and leads people to sin further.
People who identify themselves as homophobic need compassionate but firm correction and guidance to the truth. The last thing they need is a man of the church who minces the truth and leads people to believe that they have no need to change and should be left as they are. These creates confusion to the minds of many and leads people to sin further.
@@pastorbri Let me guess...you're a methodist pastor. Lutheran maybe? No, no, no church of england!!! Why are you trolling on a Catholic channel? The Catholic Church has no need for your filthy modernism. AWAY with you!!!
Its interesting how they talk about him. Everything I hear in the larger conversation seems like Fr James Martin and his critics are speaking past each other. I really need to read the book before I can comment but I listened to the talk he gave in Atlanta and if the book is like the talk it is primarily directed at a Catholic audience, the point of him leaving moral theology out of that talk for the most part was that he was addressing our failings as Catholics for seeng the sin and not the sinner. The problem with Matt Fradd's argument is that it is based in the idea that the church and her members have nothing to apologize for and played no role in the fact that LGBT people feel they are unwelcome in the church. I am sure that Matt and most of here watching are not bigots and do not harbor hatred against others but there are those who do and often their message is heard louder than ours.
@Steve McQueen thanks for letting me know I'm not a Catholic. I didn't realize it was you who decided those kinds of things I'll be sure to defer to you in the future.
@Steve McQueen the only thing that I'm pushing for compassion is mindfulness. I'm not trying to advance any agenda I'm simply trying to point out the fact that most of our problems come from not fully understanding where the other person is coming from. If you want to condemn me for that I don't really care thankfully I don't get my self worth from what you or anyone else thinks of me. I let my understanding of what the Catholic faith teaches and stands for guide my decisions. God Bless. I'll say a quick prayer for you.
Also you should be capitalizing the word Catholic.
@@wfleming537 LGBT is a diabolical term used to give a false identity to the children of god!
@@TheGenius7685 then so is American, tall, fat, republican, democrat, young, old. Its simply a discriptor to describe the group of people who you are talking about if it makes you happy replace lgbt with ssa I really dont care it doesnt change my point.
@@Azygos1986 if the only reason you avoid sin is out of fear I truly feel sorry for you clearly you have only have only listened to Martin's critics and not the man himself since almost every assertion you made is incorrect and by your standards of moral perfectionism the church would be empty. I'll keep you in my prayers. God Bless.
Fr. Martin is purposely vague and coy.
@Aardvark You might be right.
How sweet!!! PUKE!!!
I’m glad you can see into his soul and conscience as God can
I'm an English churchgoing Catholic (heterosexual) who would like to see the Church change it's doctrine on homosexuality. I honestly don't believe that loving gay and lesbian couples are defying God's will or are doing something "inherently evil". My neighbours are a Polish gay couple (very Catholic) and are the nicest folk you could ever meet. I don't believe that anyone has the right to tell them they should abandon each other's love and be single and celibate, and I genuinely think Jesus Christ wouldn't want them to. The attitude of the Church on homosexuality has done them enormous emotional harm in their lives, which they do not deserve in the slightest. I certainly don't think of them as 'abnormal' or involved in evil behaviour.
Thanks, Michael, for your words here. Like you, I am a heterosexual Catholic who knows two gay couples (together decades and married civilly) whose devotion to Christ and the Church stretches back to their childhoods. Their love for one another and the joy and life their relationship brings to others in the community call into question the current Church teaching that homosexual unions are sinful. If they were truly sinful, the shared lives of these gay couples could not effect the obvious grace of love, warmth, goodness, and service which is clear to all who know them and enjoy life with them. If their union was sinful and evil, nothing good and loving should emerge through their relationship. However, nothing could be further from the truth. This lived experience of Christ’s evident grace living through the unions of our gay brothers and sisters has certainly opened my eyes and changed my heart on this issue. Like you, Michael, I could never imagine Christ wanting their lives together dissolved when I feel it is Christ meeting us through them. Such is the sign of a blessing.
@@SS-ob5nv Excellent post, and I fully agree with you. Perhaps one day the Church will change its position, which I would welcome, like yourself.
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So much animosity comes from Christians because they simply do not have the experience to know how Queer people live and act.
It is impossible to demonize Love once you recognize it for what it is.
The Chaplet of the Holy Face of Jesus is to honour the 5 Senses of Our Lord Jesus Christ, and entreating God for the Triumph of His Holy Church.
The devils on being asked what verse in the Scriptures they feared the most, replied: “That with which the 67 Psalm commences: Let God arise, and let His Enemies be scattered, and let them that hate Him flee from before His face!” They added that this verse always compelled them to take flight.
Inspired by Our Lord, this Chaplet was composed by Sister Mary of St Peter:
“Our Lord inspired me at this time to compose certain prayers of reparation in the form of a Chaplet, or a small Rosary. This Chaplet is made up of thirty-three small beads, on which is recited thirty-three times the prayer, ‘Arise, O Lord, and let Thy enemies be scattered, and let them that hate Thee flee before Thy Face!’ and also six large beads on which our recited the ejaculation, ‘My Jesus, Mercy,’ followed Glory Be…’
One day after Holy Mass our Lord appeared to me presenting me with a similar Chaplet which I saw was made of precious stones strung on a fine gold chain. Deeming myself quite unworthy of possessing such a treasure, I begged the Blessed Virgin to keep this beautiful rosary for me by placing it in her Immaculate Heart, and I also begged our Lord to attach indulgences to the recitation of this Chaplet” - Sister Mary of St Peter (From the Book, “The Golden Arrow”)
The Chaplet is composed of a Crucifix, 39 Beads, 6 of which are Large Beads and 33 of which are Small Beads.
The 33 Small Beads represent the 33 years of the mortal life of our Lord.
The first 30 recall to mind the 30 years of Jesus Private Life, and are divided into five decades of six.
The Three Small Beads recall the public life of the Savior and honour the Wounds of His Adorable Face.
A Large Bead to honour each of the senses precedes each of these five decades of six beads.
The Purpose to render homage to all the sufferings our Lord endured to the Five Senses of His Body - the Sense of Touch, Hearing, Sight, Smell, and Taste, which have their seat principally in His Holy Face.
THE CHAPLET TO THE HOLY FACE
In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.
V. O God, Come unto my assistance,
R. O Lord, make haste to help me.
V. Glory be to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Spirit,
R. as it was in the beginning, is now, and ever shall be, world without end. Amen.
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First Three Beads
Meditate on the sufferings of the Crown of Thorns and His Holy Face
Arise, O Lord, and let Thy enemies be scattered, and let them that hate Thee flee before Thy Holy Face! 3 times
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FIRST MYSTERY
To honour The Sense of Touch
Large Beads
My Jesus, Mercy!
Glory Be…
Small Beads
Arise, O Lord, and let Thy enemies be scattered,
and let them that hate Thee flee before Thy Holy Face! 6 times
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SECOND MYSTERY
To honour The Sense of Hearing
Large Beads
My Jesus, Mercy!
Glory Be…
Small Beads
Arise, O Lord, and let Thy enemies be scattered,
and let them that hate Thee flee before Thy Holy Face! 6 times
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THIRD MYSTERY
To honour The Sense of Sight
Large Beads
My Jesus, Mercy!
Glory Be…
Small Beads
Arise, O Lord, and let Thy enemies be scattered,
and let them that hate Thee flee before Thy Holy Face! 6 times
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FOURTH MYSTERY
To honour The Sense of Smell
Large Beads
My Jesus, Mercy!
Glory Be…
Small Beads
Arise, O Lord, and let Thy enemies be scattered,
and let them that hate Thee flee before Thy Holy Face! 6 times
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FIFTH MYSTERY
To honour The Sense of Taste
Large Beads
My Jesus, Mercy!
Glory Be…
Small Beads
Arise, O Lord, and let Thy enemies be scattered,
and let them that hate Thee flee before Thy Holy Face! 6 times
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Glory Be… 7 times
in honor of the Seven Last Words of Jesus from the Cross and the Seven Sorrows of Our Lady
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CLOSING PRAYER
O God, our Protector, look down upon us and cast Thine eyes upon the Face of Thy Christ!
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Some additional prayers that are recommended to be said on the five beads afterwards (from the Revelations of Sister Mary of St Peter in the Golden Arrow Book).
May God arise and let His enemies be scattered and let those who hate Him flee before His Face!
May the Thrice Holy Name of God overthrow all their plans!
May the Holy Name of the Living God split them up by disagreements!
May the terrible Name of the God of Eternity stamp out all their godlessness!
Lord, I do not desire the death of the sinner, but that he be converted and live. “Father, forgive them for they know not what they do.”
The “Golden Arrow” prayer: May the most Holy, most Sacred, most Adorable, Most Incomprehensible and Ineffable Name of God Be always Praised, Blessed, Loved, Adored and Glorified, In Heaven, on Earth and under the Earth, By all the Creatures of God, And by the Sacred Heart of Our Lord Jesus Christ, In the most Holy Sacrament of the Altar. Amen. holywounds.net
Build a bridge to sin? No thanks, I'm busy that day!
Who is his Bishop??? And what has he done to stop him?
Ahh, the Bishops!!!
He probably agrees with him if he hasnt done anything yet.
The amount of hate I see in the comment sections of the churches views of homosexuality breaks my heart. People lashing out at others saying how you’ll go to hell but fail to recognise the evil that they’re doing to be breaking a human being down. At the end of the day, Jesus is our saviour. We don’t need ANYONE else’s approval or acceptance because we are loved and made by Christ. I really pray that one day the Catholic church will stop placing such a bright spotlight on homosexuals when it has only been mentioned ONCE in the bible which is also referring to GANG RAPE! If God thinks gays who act on their feelings belong in hell, don’t you think it would be mentioned more than just once in a clearer context? Don’t you think it would be in the ten commandments? But what does Jesus come and say to us? “A new commandment I give unto you, that you love one another as I have loved you”. You may not agree with another persons lifestyle choice, and in all honesty - it’s not your place. We are called to love one another. We all have our own cross to carry and people don’t CHOOSE to be gay. It’s a difficult enough thing to accept, we are not all lucky enough to have heterosexual inclinations and be able to get married in a church due to the sole purpose of the marriage basis being a man and woman. We focus so much on homosexuality yet we can so easily turn a blind eye to adultery, to motivating couples to forgive and reconcile after one has committed adultery (even though it IS in the 10 commandments). We all have our own cross to carry. Focus on your own. The hateful words? keep them to yourselves. We will all answer only to God. God bless you all.
Thank you for being quite literally the only kind voice in this comment section. God bless you!!!
As a homosexual man myself who has started my path into becoming a christian and coming to faith and accepting Jesus, I can't help just feel disheartened. Most of christian denominations say the same thing... God loves you... but... and that really is discourages me, but then I keep repeating to myself that there are no conditions to receive God's love. Jesus never said, you shall receive my grace if... or I will love you if... I understand that this may offend a lot of catholics here in the comments, but I want to point something out, yes scripture is God inspired, but it's still written by humans, all scripture authors have added their own interpretations to scripture, some more subtlely, some not. All churches are build from humans, and ... *I know .. shocker* people can be wrong, and people are wrong. A good friend of mine once told me, don't be discouraged or saddened when people use the Bible to judge others, the devil knows the Bible by heart, and he will use it to push you away from God. God bless you, and thank you very much for this comment of love and compassion
@@flauberb2645 God loves you, and you are God's wonderful creation. I am sorry for how badly most Catholics behave. Jesus commands us to love all people without exception. I personally dislike the phrase: "love the sin hate the sinner" because it comes off as arrogant. I did not chose to be straight, just as people who are bisexual or homosexual did not chose their sexual orientation. It is wrong to shame someone for part of who they are, who God made them to be. I hope you truly know in your soul that these disgusting comments are not of God. God is a being of perfect, limitless love with no hate, wrath, or blame. Moreover, the loudest voices are often not the most accurate. Thankfully, there are many theologians, pastors, and writers speaking out about these issues with authenticity and compassion. I am currently in university getting a degree in theology. My goal is to help the church become more loving and inclusive. For what it is worth, you have someone who wants you to be welcomes and accepted. I pray that God may send much love, peace, and joy into your life. Blessings! (Also, message me if you want any theology book recommendations on the aforementioned subject matter!)
GOD didn't include us in the TOP TEN Commandments. And...JESUS did not mention us in the New Testament. That says it all.
I wonder after 35 years from now whether people who are half animal or half robot be welcomed at church. After all the church is not a museum for pretty people. Its like a hospital for spiritual healing, broken hearts. So literally anyone is welcome, even non catholics. Will we need priests like them to really understand them? I think thats what it means building bridges and reaching out to the worst sinners. Otherwise, who are you to judge and hate? People go to confession all the time, repeating the same sin over and over. Its best not to recieve communion in a state of mortal sin.
This entire dialogue is flawed. You will never reach Queer people, let alone gain any credibility, unless you reconcile the truth of the Queer experience with the ministry of Christ and the Gospel as a whole.
And I don’t mean “empathizing” about how bad and unlucky Queer people might seem to you.
I mean by understanding the Queer experience as something fundamentally the same as yours, something that you would consider good, natural, healthy and worthwhile and somehow explain why gender makes a difference.
And I don’t mean “theology of the body” or gender essentialism I mean what fundamentally changes about the morality of the action.
That’s the ultimate problem here. There has never been a why given.
There’s a lot of theorizing about gender and sexuality but ultimately it just boils down to one of two things either people just have a latent bias against same-sex relationships or it’s because “the Bible says so” but even that is highly debated, Queer affirming Christians are not a rarity.
But even if it were objectively and explicitly true that the Bible said that people weren’t allowed to be gay, then there should still be a reason.
And no one has one, not one that they’re sharing anyways.
Bible is extremely clear and condemning homosexual behavior. Liberal theologians try to explain away, but it’s just theatrics on their part.
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Darling, calling it "clear" is an insult to my intelligence.
If it were clear people wouldn't be arguing about it.
But it is a fact that the concept of homosexuality(and consequently homosexuality) is never addressed in scripture.
Male homoeroticism is briefly mentioned on numerous occasions but it is never universally prohibited, banned or condemned.
Female homosexuality and homoeroticism is never mentions, no trans person is ever mentioned or condemend.
What is in scripture is explicit mentions of the moral irrelevance of gender(Gal. 3:28) and explicit statements calling Love a moral good without exception(Gal. 5:22-23).
Anytime you set the idea that the only acceptable LGBT person is a former one somehow, you're part of the problem cause nobody I know even as a pastor says stop having sex before marriage or you're doomed. It doesn't work out that way.
You guys are too easy on Father Martin! This is "weaponized ambiguity" that is a staple of Pope Francis' papacy.
They haven’t received it because they don’t want to change their life style, plain and simple
thats homophobics for u!
@@pastorbri No, it's truth for you. Go spout your backwater homophobic agenda on your insta facebook feed and cry about how life is so hard for your "people". News flash everyone has problems.
Homosexuality is sinnful and promotion of this sin leads to damnation by turning away from God.@@pastorbri
@@glitchscribe NOOO Homophobia is sinful and promotion of this sin will send u to hell where all the evil homophobics belong, hope u can swim in the lakes of fire.....
It's weird to be a protestant surrounded by Catholics. The whole conversation is about the "church's" teaching. I don't know enough about the Catholic view, do they not see the church as being the body of Christ with Jesus Himself being the head?
Catholics believe that when Jesus spoke about his church, he meant a visible church. The Catholic Church is the church that was directly founded by Jesus, which is why Catholics will say “the church” (referring to the Catholic Church). Yes, the church includes a body of believers. And yes, Jesus is the high priest. But the difference between Protestants and Catholics here is that Protestants will say “the church” is just the people, while Catholics will say “the church” is the institution consisting of the people.
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Actually the Catholic Church wasn’t founded by Jesus, there’s not even evidence to show that it was founded by Peter.
Catholic has official doctrine, it’s basically a who’s who of which interpretations are approved and which are seen as false.
It’s typically used as a way of shutting down open dissent and prevent regular reform.
So instead of people discussing the scripture, they can just say “the catechism says X” and then excuse themselves from the discussion.
I’ve spoke with Catholics who refuse to even acknowledge that the Catechism has even changed treating it kind of like how Mormons treat the Book of Mormon.
It can make radical changes to “official doctrine” but some people just view this as the perfection of the catechism being revealed, never mind that it was wrong before.
Of course in general that’s not the case, most Catholics don’t adhere to official doctrine in one way or another and the doctrine of Catholics is about as diverse as it is for Protestants, just not officially.
He doesn't say the second half, because, it's possible that he doesn't want it said to him.
I would like to see a debate between Martin and Corapi
I think a cool ministry would be to have a group of celibate gay priests and lay people march in gay pride parades with signs saying something like "Proud and chaste" and the obedience to back it up. Could it be both a challenge to the gay community and to those in the Church who have used the Church's teaching as an excuse to hate? Is the church spiritually mature for this?
and yet we don't force this onto heterosexuals......why?
@@pastorbri I think an underlying problem is that we have domesticated our faith to the point where in the words of scripture, we are a lukewarm church that, in some ways, deserves to be vomited out of the mouth of God. If we truly lived the radical faith that Jesus teaches, we would all be so challenged. Unfortunately, we pick and chose what are 'good sins' and what are 'bad sins.' When we seek to ask what we can get away with, we miss the point of almost every one of Jesus' teachings. When someone challenges themselves to live a radical life to follow the kingdom of God, we ridicule them. Peace
Hello, What about Father Martin's weird rosary...you don't 'chat' with the evil one...gets no where.
What is his “weird rosary”?
James Martin has also said, during his "retreats" that homosexuality is not sinful and gay men should be able to kiss during the mass. He also claimed that Christ learned humility from the woman at the well. He should be removed from the Priesthood.
I couldn't believe that freak show said that...As if the SON OF GOD needed to learn humility from a woman. (or anybody else for that matter) A few hundred years ago he would have been burned at the stake and rightfully so.
@@deusvult7559 That is pure evil.
@@MarkSeydel God will not be mocked
@@deusvult7559 Pro-life, much?
@@MarkSeydel Gay much?
Reality can be hard to hear. If you pander to those you want to reach because you don't want to hurt their feelz, you're being a hypocrite and you're not teaching the true Catechism. That is what Fr. Martin is doing.
Yikes, Some of these hateful comments are the exact reason Fr. James Martins voice and this book are so important for the Church and all it’s faithful right now. Furthermore, I’m saddened that the content creator is allowing some of the hateful commenters on their page. I’m not saying people aren’t entitled to their opinions, but if your opinion are hateful, they are not helpful and not conductive to finding solutions. Not helpful at all. It’s important to remember this so we can find some commonality in our Faith in God - hence the title building a bridge. If you take the opportunity to actually read the book instead of immediately attacking it, you will notice that Fr. James Martin is simply opening up the dialogue between the Church and its LGBT members (whom by the way, exist).
We take out the garbage every week but how often do we go to confession and rid our souls of the real garbage that seperates us from the love that god has for us. Lets get rid of that whats seperates us from gods love give it a try what have you got to loose Dont be a stranger .
james martin, instead of telling them to “keep that inside their pants” is wrongfully telling them to hold their pain & confusion within themselves.