Power Commander vs ECU remap/flash
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 ส.ค. 2018
- In this video I talk about the difference between ECU flashing/remapping and Power Commancers. Obviously. Jesus!
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Great videos on the inner workings of all parts. Not so sure I'm comfortable tackling a gear box repair or crankshaft replace but certainly have a better understanding when a/my mechanic gets into technical jargon about repairs that my ride needs. Takes a lot of time and energy to put the videos together and just letting you know it's really appreciated!
Very good explanation Matt!! I went on an engine mapping course last year where they showed how to live map on a hub dyno. What was most interesting was that AFR had very little influence on an engines torque output, but it is the ignition advance that can bring you the most gains. They also showed us how to use det cans to listen out for any engine knock, very important for engine tuning.
Er... I bought a Power Commander and fitted it to the CB1300, but then booked a dyno session because there wasn't a downloadable map spec that matched my intake/exhaust configuration. Three hours, full map, £150. Watched the entire process. Tuned out two major flat spots, gave a lovely smoothness to the mid-range, and gained 19hp on the top. It was the smoothness I was aiming for though because the standard injection map made the bike buck like a bronco when coming off the throttle at decent speed. It's like silk now.
This was a very nice video! Nice to hear this stuff explained in layman’s terms. Thanks!
Definitely makes a lot of sense, excellent tutorial, cheers!!
Great vids, one take, explained in just the right amount of detail. 👍🏻
Well done mate been waiting so long for this video. Cheers
Awesome explanation. I get it now - and can actually explain to my dyno guys what it is I'm after. Thanks.
Love rewatching Yuur vids!
Nice work .. now your talking about my speciality of the work I do haha.. we do mostly custom remaps on the dyno to get a better rideabilty out of your bike .. PC we don't use a lot as it slows down data transfer slightly.. we are mainly focused on Ducati bikes but the basic of this matter is the same for all internal combustion engines.
great vid mate, good info, simple explained!!well done
You can do custom maps on power commander, either by dyno tuneing or use the data collection features then adjusting maps, both fuel , timing and more.
Are u bugging my phone like Facebook. This is exactly what I was wondering about. Lol
Great explanation. Thanks for the video.
more of this! this is an area i really gotta get more into im quite familiar with the actual engine but exactly how the ECU does all of its magic i dont know! (ENG not first lang)
Hi, which good one, use OEM ECU plus PCV or Flashing OEM ECU? Need for road race at circuit, thank you
The map at 3:27, where did you find that? I recognize it from an old project of mine...
hi i have a remap for focus mk3 2011 and i changed the alternato due to the battery control indicator light but after the replacement my power steering came on then it started to smoke terribly from the exhaust and now I can't start it. Is it possible that it was interrupted when replacing the alternator before disconnecting the battery?
Nice one Matt.
Love your videos man
I removed the cat after the first service on my Multistrada, had a generic flash done a Moto Rapido and wow what a difference.
Better throttle response, exhaust gases free flowing and running slightly richer, which is better.
I have a 2018 Honda CBR650F. The carburetor trumpets are restricted on this model so if unrestricted, does the power commander have the option
for this mod?
Excellent explanation of what does what with regards to changing the various ways of altering information from the ECU. I'm guessing that both the ECU flash/remap are permanent alterations to the ECU whilst the power commander once taken away returns the engine back to stock? Looking forward to more Christmas lectures🤘🎅🥳
This computer stuff makes carbs seen so much easier to work on..
@mtb supertroll "I hate making more power more efficiently" - you
Carbs cannot be nerfed by an EMP pulse either!!
Adding 5% ethanol to petrol drops the boiling point from 35 C to 18 C.
In a carbed engine once the engine heats up, the fuel / air mixture reaches volatility as soon as it enters the cylinder, not at near TDC, causing poor combustion, loss of power, sooty plugs & heat seizures. It's impossible to jet a carb out of this problem, instead the E5 petrol needs the rider to modify it with additives (kerosene, diesel, etc.) to raise the boiling point to a level that the carbs & engine can cope with.
Injected ECU engines don't suffer with this ethanol induced fuel volatility problem (instigated by those damned retarded tree huggers). It detects these poor combustion problems, caused by the fuel, then alters the ignition timing and the fuel / air ratio to compensate in real time.
Unless somebody invents a carb with real time electronically controlled variable jets (and possible variable emulsion tube & needle) I don't see carbed engines making a come back on production bikes anytime soon.
@@CZ350tuner when was your most recent EMP pulse that made you late for work/unable to use your vehicle etc ?
@@theperfectdark6167 in 2012 there was a large solar CME that almost hit earths magnetic field. It was said there is a 12% chance that the earth will get hit by one as large as that from 2012 to 2022. If this happens you can say bye bye to any electronics and electricity. Our world relies heavily on electricity, electronics, computers, the internet, etc. Economys will fall and people will suffer and die because of how globally depended everyone is. Not to mention the fact that most people don't know how to live and sustain themselves without electricity. A healthy amount of doomsday prepping is fine, nothing too extreme though. Would I like it to happen? No. My problems arise with the people who wank off to doomsday pron.
Good explanation my dude
Hey mate, great video! I have an Kawasaki versys 650 with an 35kw ecu, if i buy a power commander and upload a full power “tuning” map into it, does it work to get the full power back?
I’ve got an xtz1200. I had it reflashed. Smoothed all the jerky throttle. I added a header and powercommander. It runs a lot better.
What if you don't use an already uploaded dynojet map for your PC5 and get a dyno done on your bike and the power commander tune for it? Would that function as well as an ECU REMAP?
I've also heard generally good things of auto tuners that connect to power commanders to fine tune a few points here and there, mostly for temp and altitude changes. If I had a bike that was fuel injected I personally would probably buy one to try it out
Great info mate ! Thanks !
Nice explanation. Thanks. 😎
Never understood guys who will pay £1000+ for a full exhaust system, £300+ for a quick shifter, £300+ for a power commander, £60 for a k&n filter.... and then just use a generic power commander map off the internet. Custom map is the ONLY way to make it all work perfectly for that bike.
You'll have no idea what the fuel/ air ratios are doing without hooking it up to a dyno anyway. 🤔
Martin Cross you can run a wideband afr gauge.
Mick McNasty Not really something everybody has laying around in the shed.
My point Was only that if you are willing to spend thousands buying tuning mods for a bike, at least get it mapped properly.
Anything else is purely guesswork.
Martin Cross anyone who could spend on the stuff you mentioned can easily afford to have a wideband afr gauge. More real world accurate than a dyno as it's real fueling on real road conditions in all weather's and altitudes.
At least we both agree that the af ratio needs to be known/ measured. My original point was that just whacking on a power commander and a random map is not the way to get the best out of your investment.
i guees these wankers have no money left for dynojet autotune module :D
Love the intro!
For my MT-07 a mornings dyno tuning with custom ECU remap is the superior method vs a power commander .... during the ecu remap many other things can be played with such as engine braking levels, closed throttle injector cut off, rev limit, rad fan temp settings etc etc .... as far as I know the PC can't do any of that stuff (but I would be happy for someone to prove me wrong!). I got a quote a few days ago from a very reputable local tuner (who specialises in yamahas) for the dyno runs and custom ECU remap ... £400 all in ;)
Could you make a video about self adjusting carbs like Lectrons?
The other thing to consider is that power commander only modifies the fuel map whereas the ECU also contains an ignition timing map and they both work alongside each other. So an ECU remap can actually do much more than a power commander when it comes to optimising engine running.
Do u feel the pcv or flash better?
I always wanted to get my SV1000S remapped but nobody messes with them anymore near me. They run rich at high RPM stock according to my dyno runs. The old 750 turbo has a second map called "race mode" built in, just requires cutting one IAT sensor wire to activate.
my bmw s1000rr 18 model with 12000km I just brought second hand is not very smooth under 4 thousand revs it's a bit jerky can't sit on 40 kph smooth ..I've had the local bmw bike shop say it's ok. I'm takeing it for a second opinion. but if they say it's fine will one of these power comanders fix this ???
Z1000 Here with an ecu remap. Spent the day on the dyno at cjs racing. Theres other benefits too. Mine was still making power with the new fuel mapping at the redline so the redline was increased by 500RPM to allow for this. Also the flapper valve motor waa deleted so that could be unplugged along with the o2 sensors. Biggest gain was with the change in the primary injectors. In 1st 2nd and third they werent cutting in til 7k but were cutting in at 3k in 4th 5th 6th so this section of the map was copied to the first 3 gears. Net result is mine makes roughly the same as an s1ooor/MT10. Which im more than happy about. Other stuff was reduced engine braking and a smoother throttle response also.
Always wondered what that song from 'chappie' was called
Hello,
Im planning to install after market full exhaust system like austin racing exhaust. I want to reflush my ecu in order to fit with the new exhaust system and also to avoid engine back fire. The thing is, i dont know how to do it, i want learn how to reflush may ecu. What are the things i need to buy and i need to know. Hope we can discuss more about it maybe thru email. Thanks a lot for the video
1up just for the intro. I totally jam to that shit at work!!
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The current model Yamaha YZF and WRF dirt bikes are at the point that they have a wifi app on your mobile phone that talks to your ECU to change your ignition mapping whenever you want. You dont even need the ECU tuner anymore.
Thank you for this video! Best one on TH-cam! If I simply flash my ECU and don’t remap it on a dyno , is that the same as a PC with no dyno ? I have a 2015 fireblade
Ecu flash have more options,
Hi iv recently installed competitions werkes slip on on my ducati monster 821 and i feel the exhaust headers and radiator hose are heating a bit more compared to stock echaust...but the temp on odo is showing normal and not over heating..infact 3-4 degree cooler than average ..and i feel the bike looses power after 120 kph or after 3 rd gear compared to stock exhaust ...what can be the reason?
"Hi iv recently installed competitions werkes slip on on my ducati monster 821 and i feel the exhaust headers and radiator hose are heating a bit more compared to stock echaust...but the temp on odo is showing normal and not over heating"
what you're feeling is exhaust gas temperature. What you are measuring is coolant temp.
If the exhaust gas temp is higher the engine is less efficient, which usually means it's running leaner than before. Or if the exhaust is popping then the bike is running rich and the extra heat is fuel popping in the exhaust
Hey man, loved this information. I'm getting a PCV soon and also getting an Autotune for it. Is getting that autotune to couple with the PCV just as effective as getting it Dyno'd with the PCV? It's basically working on your bike as you ride. Thanks
A PCV for what?
@@dirtygarageguy 2020 Kawasaki Ninja ZX-6R
But my friends 1998 Fazer has a throttle position sensor and it's got 4 carbs.
Whats the point of that? (no O2 sensor though)
TheAnigai ignition control and exhaust valve control if it has one.
what about TRE mods? Supposedly use the best map for a specific gear and trick the bike into thinking its in that gear all the time. Also removes the top end limiter if there is one.
Is the goal to maintain an AFR of 14:1 at all throttle positions and engine rpms and just control the amount of air fuel mix that enters the combustion chamber to give a controllable power output? Will a 14:1 AFR necessarily mean maximum power delivery at a given point?
Very good question - Short answer no. More on this later....
I have a question on this topic so hopefully someone can advise. I'm planning on getting a new bike in spring and from what i have been reading with the euro 4 emission regulations new bikes are running on the lean side from the factory. I plan on getting an aftermarket exhaust and air filter once the bike is run in which i believe will lean it out even more. I've been looking into different solutions to this and i'm interested in a company called Hilltop Motorcycles, it seems that they add their own software onto an unused part of the chip on the ECU that seems to work as a power commander does, intercepting the signals and adjusting them. They make claims that this is also undetectable by the dealers and does not affect the warranty in any way.
Do you have any opinions on this company and their system?
Like i said, extra power isn't really my main concern, though always nice, more the survival of the engine in my pursuit of a better sounding exhaust.
Cheers for any advice you can give.
Same thing ( i think) as a power commander........ I've just done a video today about this and it will be released this week
Liking the die antwoord phase
I was about to say the same... but you shouldn't do that cause
I've been playing the first 9 seconds non stop.
I watch your videos you seem to know your stuff...i have a 2004 zx6r is it worth me getting my ECU tuned if so what would they do to it ? I out a big bore exhaust on it and since that it runs a bit lumpy on idle would an ecu tune rectify this ?
Yes it would
Why are all the pc3 maps negative numbers on dynojets homepage? Why are they all leaning out the bikes?
Another benefit of a Power Commander is being able to connect your bike to a computer and get readings on the stuff going into the PC. Maybe that can help in diagnosing
Can use TuneECU on some bikes for that.
I was hoping to get the pros and cons for a flashed remap vs a mapped power commander setup in terms of performance.
Keeping the O2 sensor when flashing seems to me like a good thing and is one of the drawbacks for a power commander where it must be removed, afaik.
In terms of power and drivability I guess there aren’t any differences between the two -
Provided there both setup in a dyno?
There is no simple answer to that question - no matter how much you hope - it's engine and current set-up dependant
@@dirtygarageguy In terms of what? For instance I have a K&N airfilter and complete exhaust without catalyst on my KTM SuperDuke 1290R and the next step for me would be to get the Rottweiler intake and a PowerCommander and have everything properly mapped in a dyno.
Would there be any reason for me to skip the PC and go for a flashed remap instead?
How does the closed vs open loop systems in the ecu work with these types of tunes? I've always wondered if a tune only made changes to WOT which would feel great when racing off at the lights but not really be applicable 99% of the time.
We'll get to that.
same question here...always thought Power Commander was ok but limited since it messes-up with the global loop of the ECU (richer Airg/gaz mix will affect exhaust temp / o2 and lambda probes will feed this back to ECU, won´t they?)
The ecu can run either closed or open loop depending if the lambda sensor is switched on or off. You can tune the engine with the lambda off and then switch it back on afterwards or leave it switched off and run permanent open loop.
There are plus and minus whichever way you do it and would take more space than available here to fully explain.
Closed loop is mapped to fixed parameters, where open loop continuously makes adjustments withen set parameters as needed determined by data from o2 ,map sensors etc.
You've got it the wrong way round my friend.
Love the Die Antwoord intro haha
?wow spot on, might buy my self a power commander now
what would you recommend power commander or ecu flash? my bike Kawasaki ER6N : full sc project exhaust and haltech quickshifter. do you think its worth going all out and getting hi flow air and oil fillers? thanks
It depends how much money you wanna spend etc. For normal road use a power commander is fine and is reversible.
As for the filters - yeah they are pretty good. Its best to fit all the mods first then fit the power commander. If anything gets worse then you know what is was because you changed each one seperately - in other words fit a mod - then ride for a week then fit the next one.
The Workshop I will do that thank you matt 😁
I had my 2017 GSX-S1000 remapped, mostly because they`re snatchy jerky horrible things stock. (4 hours, £650. In norway) I have stock exhaust and the bike is now 97% fine. Not Z1000-smooth but i can live with it. My question is: Is there any point in me getting a power commander now or did i do it ass backwards and i am now stuck with the mapping i have? (The bike goes like shit off a shuffle so not lacking in the power department. It`s just..it could be even smoother i feel...)
Fuck power commanders
@@dirtygarageguy Okay, will do. I will fuck power commanders....
With my particular bike a re-map + tuner works best.
Is this a must if you change the end cans. I put delkivic cans on mine and someone told me I must get it flashed or put a power commander on or else the valves will burn out. Is this true ?
If you bike now runs lean then you should.
Take it on the dyno to see how the mixture is through over the whole rpm range.
It depends this is a broad question.
just the end can no other mods aint changes shit just the sound looks and weight :D save money You dont need any pCV just changing out the end can. Only thing You could do if exhaust pops on decel and You dont like it plug the pair system :)
Lekker Die antwoord
One question i got is if my ecu is f*cked can i do a power commander on th bike an have it run again? Not sure if this is just stupid to even ask.
No you can't - the PC only alters what the ECU puts out
Is the opposite possible? Meaning, taking a very powerful bike and reducing the output substantially, to maybe one half or one third the power output ( HP and Torque ). If not this method, than any other possible method? Where an experienced rider can share a bike with a beginner. Thanks.
Of course. On a standard cable throttle bike, you can play with air/fuel ratios, ignition timing, etc. to reduce power. And many bikes with standard throttles have secondary throttle valves which can also be manipulated to reduce airflow (and thus power), as GSXR's do with their different drive modes. On a RBW (ride by wire) bike, the throttle maps can be set to whatever you want, e.g. 100% throttle turn -> 20% throttle butterfly opening, which obviously limits power.
you forgot to say you can do custom maps on a dyno with power commanders which is quicker and cheaper than doing a custom map with the ECU
It depends on the age of the bike which is better now tbh.
My tuner told me that a ecu remap is the best choice for the newer bikes because they can also remove restrictions and a power commander can’t remove those restrictions because they are in the ecu, also a remap is cheaper
Hi. So would you say a pc is better than a remap. I’ve a 53 plate speed triple 955i.
No.
Ok thanks I’ll go for the remap then.
I did a flash for my 07 R1. Had to. I have no cat and shortened arrow cans. Stalled pulling in clutch. I sent it to a shop via fedex for 100$ US. They put a tune into the stock ecu that was dyno tested on a shop bike. It also gave me options to play with general settings. Like engine braking and rev limit etc. biggest plus for me was twofold. It fixed my stall issues due to exhaust upgrades. And also gave me the option to lower my fan kick for the rad. Normally it’s 218. Max temp is 223. I lowered it to kick at 205 and she loves it. Works the fans a bit more but I’d rather replace fans than thermal death. Fuck the stand alone. I lost by 4hp to an 09 tuned. Love the crossplane but I have the last year of the standard. New isn’t always best 😂
I'm about to get my ECU flashed,I've got a pcv already fitted on the bike,I was told I don't need it,but the Dyno center said they with flash my ECU,and tune my pcv. So I'm led to believe it's worth having both...
You can have both, its up to you
The vid scratches the surface of a complex subject. Power Commanders are only useful if the ecu cannot be programmed/mapped directly. Direct mapping via software such as Rexxer gives so much more access to the various functions of the ecu and negates the need for any extra hardware associated with the Power Commander.
i assume you have a PC on your sv1000 matt? if yes are you going to do a demo on how to usee it.... i have a tl1000s and its a bitch at low revs and need to whack a PC on it cheers
"i assume you have a PC on your sv1000 matt?"
- no I don;t actually.
Damn... How are you playing Die Antwoord? 😎👍🏼
So I was told that my Yamaha FZ6 can't have a "remap" or a "flash", it needs to have a power commander to be able to do anything. Something about people not being able to plug into it or something like that. Apparently it's the same as the Busa. .....?
I smell bullshit
www.powercommander.com/downloads/312/install/311/eng312-311.pdf
www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/dynojet-power-commander-v-suzuki-hayabusa-2008-2017
www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/dynojet-power-commander-v-yamaha-fz6-fazer-2004-2009
I have both the kessv2 and k-tag unit from alientech and the fz6 is on the supported vehicle list if it has the Mitsubishi ecu, it is done by direc connection to the board which will involve either opening of the ecu or if it is completely sealed actually drilling a hole at the precise location to make the connection to place the ecu into bootmode ready for programming.
@@dirtygarageguy yes, my point exactly, there's no other option, only go and buy a power commander. As I said I was you can't just take it to get remapped without shelling out 300+ for a power commander.
@@adivarso8175 oh ok. But then how many companies do you know that will be comfortable drilling wholes or prising apart ecu's. There for my only real option, buy a power commander.
This sucks because I want to get a nice exhaust system for my bike (to look nice and sound better mostly) but then I also have to then spend an extra £300+ for a power commander to make it run properly....?
Usually, the drilling bit is only needed when you wish to read the ECU, writing can be done through the main connectors. There are stock dumps and definition files available for most common bikes so flashing shouldn't be a problem.
Is the Power Commander street legal in the UK? Cause it's illegal in Germany. Cheers.
yes
Will a power commander make my honda 90 faster?
Conor Tobin yes, but only if your exhaust bearings are in good condition.
A pair of good trainers will make it go faster.
And it will help to grip when you jump off the back when it wheelies uncontrollably.
rationalmartian Good advice, as its a 90, it might be worth going for full on drag race wheelie bars.
@@nothanks3462 hehehe
Iv heard some ecu’s can self learn .... so basically if you change the exhaust to a sports one or what ever... your ecu can adjust to it .... not sure weather this is true
This is becoming more frequent but sadly more focused on emissions than anything else.
Again it depends on the bike etc - some systems are very different than others.
There are auto tune aftermarket fuel controllers for bikes that don't have an ecu with the capability. And not for emissions :)
The first BMW S1000RR's would be taken to have a Power Commander fitted for Superstock 1000 racing and be set up on the dyno and get some good power gains.. It was all great until the engine was turned off then restarted and the BMW ECU would recalculate and actually compensate for the power commander. Dynojet did work out how to stop the BMW ecu bypassing the Power Commander.
I actually like the power commander option on a bike. You can plug in an ignition module and quick shifter with a PCIII and with the PCV some have the ignition option built into the unit and with a hub you can actually run two maps. The Auto Tune module is great for road bikes with after market pipe and filter changes too... Although it is still better to map the PCV for race use as you may want to run some areas a little richer than the auto tune will allow it to run (closed throttle to open throttle) a little richer so the transition is smoother. We ran a PCIII with ignition module on our project Suzuki which was used to break the Nurburgring lap record a few years ago. It was the best way to get the most out of the engine at the time. We did try another companies products which was 10BHP less than the best we got with the Power Commander. There is a reason why most of the BSB Superstock grid run Power Commanders. lol.
You can have more than one map on a power commander, that's probably the biggest difference between the two. Forgive me if you mentioned that.
kev Hot-swappable at the flick of a switch as well.
I'm so glad I got a carburetor.. For low budget, actual hands-on tuning, a fuel injection is so much more complicated than a carburetor..
have fun cleaning out those carbs budski
Says nobody ever:
I'm so glad I have a carburetor....
I played 20 hours of minecraft and flashed my R125 to 200hp
Thing about Power Commanders is that they're another point of failure. I've seen a couple of vids on here from guys with them that have had them fail. As a result, their bikes go into limp mode. I don't think it's an overly common issue, but the potential for it is there.
Definitely think a remap is the best and safest option when modifying though, as every engine has their slight differences and I wouldn't be very trusting of some PC map you download off the internet.
Recently had to make a 546 mile trip in heavy rain on my 2017 Z900 with a PCV. Rain breached the cylinder 4 connector for the power commander and sent the bike violently bucking like a bronco. Check engine light and very uneven fueling for the rest of the ride. Needless to say, but yes, I've been researching ECU remaps since this happened.
same shit could happen if the water gets in your stock plug in to the injector :D so do not blame PCV on that :)
Just use the fuck'n PCV Along autotune module and wide band oxygen sensor :) thus you will not need to spend big money for reflash and if You change Your setup as exhaust, headers. intake, cams whatewer- autotune will build You the map You desire based an Your target AFR. Plus PCV and autotune single channel can be put on majority modern sportsbikes vs reflash takes too much time, Dyno and is too much expensive- so its no competition to PCV :)
Of course the same thing could happen to stock injectors, but the fact remains that piggybacks add additional points of failure. Now there are 2 additional connectors that require weather sealing per injector. They are certainly quality connectors with good seals, but you've still tripled your risk of water ingress over stock.
As for autotune, I've heard horror stories about it. Many people have pointed out its lack of polling rate and resolution. A dyno tune at my local DynoJet approved center (which is very well reviewed) is only $325. In my opinion it is just much simpler to get a tune and be done instead of continuing to add multiple points of failure to your machine. I've been riding in all sorts of weather every day for 13 years and greatly value simplicity just for ease of maintenance and reliability.
If you've got water getting into your stock injector plugs, you need to sell that Italian and buy Japanese.
you should spray paint the pens and the tubs or colour them with something haha
Dynojet does not even explain the capabilites of some of their Components.. the Power Comander V can control timing too on some models of bikes .. with out adding another modual .. You can add a BAR sensor for Trubo Boost..
with PC-V you can have a dual map switch say to switch between high octane and low octane gas..
Dynojet has a newer version of their Flash Tuner now the Power Vision -3 has guages on it you can leave it on your bike //
PC-V has auto tune that can be added to the system and PV-3 does for some brand and models of bikes
www.dynojet.com/parts/yamaha/fz-07/2016/
If they made a bit cheaper to remap on the dyno more people would use it and they would earn more money. Most of my friends didn't do it just because of the high cost.
Jesus Matt!
250 euro to reflash my xtze1200, should have done it the first day! all restrictions gone, 12 changes made in total. max speed off, max rpm off, air intake restriction off, cooling fan set to 95 degrees celsius instead of 105, gained 20 Nm in the first 3 gears, on/off throttle character improved, 6th gear/overdrive improved to be a usable gear, even the grip heater improved from 4 to 3 settings...pfff , a complete new bike. can advise this to every one. first check if your bike is able to be improved. i did mine at carmo.nl ( no i dont work there)
that graph should be manifold pressure and rpm (called speed-density) not tps and rpm
Ah well it depends what bike you're talking about.
yeh, you are right, it's called alpha-N mostly a racing thing but I guess some bike engines fall in that category
LOL someone asked what does Alpha-N mean. Alpha for the throttle position as an angle and N for the revs, because that makes total sense. LOL
Most OEM ECU's use both strategies - speed-density at low loads (smaller throttle openings, lowish rpm's), and alpha-N everywhere else, often with a transition phase in between which uses both at the same time.
Speed-density can be more precise than alpha-N at smaller throttle angles, so ridability improvements can be found tuning the speed-density fuel tables well.
I'm sure you said this before Matt about Blokes measuring there Cocks with this kinda stuff, just be happy that your bike starts, stops and gets from A to B.. the power from any bike probably is way behond most folks riding capability anyway.. Riding in a straight line at 150 + mph don't turn me on ..just saying.. x
It's not just about peak power, it's correct fueling.. That makes your bike run cooler, smoother, increases mpg and makes it safer for inexperienced riders in the wet (I know modern bikes have rain mode etc, but not every youngster has a modern bike) there's more pleasure in riding a bike with spot on fueling no matter what you're doing.
Mick McNasty Fair call dude. Some bikes do badly need their fueling sorted. However, there are plenty of people who are just concerned about big HP numbers, even though they can't use it.
Joonya Sorting out my bike's injection map improved the bike's handling. So there's that...
Wayne GoldPig I assume by that you mean that it sorted out power delivery which was upsetting the suspension and/or chassis.
Joonya Pretty much.
I had both. The power commander does nothing else then increase or decrease the injector duration.
Flashing an ECU (depending on how modern the bike is) can unlock so much more.
I have a license to flash my own ECU. Getting rid of all the emission restrictions already helps so much, let alone change timing, decrease engine breaking, disable sensors etc etc.
One of the nice things is you can also restore your flybywire TPS 1-1. (The throttle grip actuates a spring on the throttle body valves, but not the throttle bodies themselfs. The ECU dictates when and how far the throttle bodies actually open)
I have a few pictures that really show the real difference in using a power commander vs ECU flashing.
photos.app.goo.gl/gAAsbU4pEnWWXHuV8
I assume you're only allowed to modify the bike for racing. Is that right?
MickHornbak incorrect. It's on my street R1 (crossplane)
Yeah right and has more potential to fuck up Your engine and wallet quicker :D
Wow, that's pretty cool. So you're allowed to modify the bike regardless of emission restrictions or do you modify it just enough to get past inspections?
MickHornbak I'm in The Netherlands. MOT only applies to 4 wheel vehicles here. So i can tinker how much i want xD.
Who spends a lot on stuff and doesnt put effort/time or if you have it done by someone then more money into getting the settings right obviously doesnt know how to properly go about "tuning" or I rather say "optimizing". Also as Mick McNasty sais a sensor or two like exhaust temperature and afr gauges together with some enthusiasm and patience are enough to set the proper settings in the power commander, also there is the autotune option now which makes it that much easier. PC5 can be optimized as well as the rewritten ECU and more user friendly, it is the best option for the likes of me coz I rather pay the price of the remap for a pc5 with all the fixins like the ignition timing and autotune modules, just so I can tinker with the settings myself easily, really optimize the setup for my given config and that is what its for... it gives more options to you setup wise, tho without a dyno it takes longer to get it right but if you change any parts on the bike that is linked to the mixture entering or exiting the engine(quiter exhaust coz the cops keep pulling you over for example) you can adjust the settings to fit the new config or another remap will cost you again. With the ignition module you can calibrate for the fuel type, a mechanic can help with the combustion chamber sizing if needed for higher octane or something. That especially helps in europe, coz in the USA there is 87octane gas and 94octane is considered premium(GEEEZ), whereas here 95 is low grade and you can pump 100+ octane racing fuel at any station if you dont mind the extra cost. However if you dont enjoy changing settings much more than actually riding around like me or dont want to spend the time nor want the hustle then go with the remap, better option then just downloading some pc5 map that is for something "similar" PC5 is for the DIY lovers.. (also important to mention that with a remap you dont always get what you pay for, my friend had a remap done with a dyno on an sv650 and for 300bucks it slightly fell behind a custom preset that he just google-d up, well that can happen too).
So basically your saying get and ECU FLASH bc its cheaper and does basically best job
With one exception - A PC allows you to remove it and go back to stock
Yea but wth would you wanna go back stock lol.. but i do get what you mean..
hec feliciano because when you sell on, it doesn't look like youve thrashed it and you can sell the PC to recoup some cash where noone cares to pay you extra for a flash
Megasquirt
What a load of mis information. You dyno tune the PCV like the ecu for maximum
Benefit.
LOL says the guy who has a Woolich RaceTools LMAO!
Fist
I would give this the first dislike... But then there was cookie thumper and I cant. But carburetors are shite! And Power Commanders are shite too. Save to fail emissions that is the only thing save on that fuck boxes.