Everyone is entitled to their opinion. After market high flow air filter and exhaust systems require fuel remapping. If all you are doing is blasting around on the street, flashing would be sufficient. If you are riding track days at multiple tracks where there is a difference in elevation, ambient temperature and different rpm ranges (big track, small track, twisty track etc) there is very little else on the market that could help you more than a PCV with Auto Tune or another brand equivalent. I ride as many as 12 track days per year from the end of May to the end of September. That is at least once every 2 weeks. I ride up to 4 different tracks (Road Am, Blackhawk Farms, Autobahn and Puttnam). As far as I am concerned if you do not go to the track there is no need for a sport bike. I run a 1 liter Suzuki GSXR with high flow air filter and GP exhaust. The difference between Road Am and Blackhawk Farms is substantial. The fuel map I use at Road Am is way to rich for Blackhawk. The RPM range is completely different. With a PCV and Auto Tune after 2 sessions my bike is tuned almost perfectly. The first session of my day my bike runs very sketchy. By the second session a drastic improvement is noticed with no more effort other than connecting my tablet to the PCV module and with one or two key strokes I remap exactly for the current conditions. I can also remap as my day goes on to compensate for heat and humidity. This would be impossible without Auto Tune. So the moral to this long winded story is...... If all you do is ride the street you do not need an after market exhaust, air filter or a fuel management system. You will never utilize more than 50 percent of you sport bikes stock ability anyway. Do not waste your money. Rather buy yourself a high quality helmet, boots, gloves and riding leathers. Then go to the track for a track day. Nothing makes you and your bike faster than performance riding experience. NOTHING. For $1,000.00 you can be on the track, with a coach going faster than you ever dreamed possible. The second time you go to the track and every time after will cost you about $180.00 for an 8 hour day. "Once you ride the track, to the street you will never go back". Once you have track experience then add go fast components to your bike. You will be surprised though just how fast a stock bike is. And no, you do not have to crash your bike. Riding a track day is far safer than ripping on the street. This isn't racing. This is about learning to ride as fast as you are able. Far faster then you can ride on the street.
Thanks for the great reply man. I was just interested in this. But I've no need for it. Your right about track days, I haven't done one on the 600 but I feel like that's how I'm going to learn way better the feel of touching knee in a safer environment than road racing in northern Ireland. We have a massive road racing heritage, and that gives you false confidence. Thank Christ I learnt trail breaking. But yea I think learning the near limits of the machine on track is a WAY better than to spend money on this stuff.
I don’t know where you live, but if you watch any videos on you tube you will see all kinds of bikes “Street Racing”. We’re not talking about it be illegal or unsafe. You see it ALOT. So as far as what ppl need to spend there money on is your opinion and your entitled to that. You see bikes with aftermarket exhaust, Stretched, and lowered every where on the streets. There’s no telling what hidden work is done. So if someone wants 180 hp, 280hp and never goes to the track then that’s there business and there money.
Most people also swap out the stock air filter for a performance product like a K&N that flows a lot better. Exhaust and filter change may need the fueling re-mapped.
On my 2019 MT09 I went with K&N, full exhaust without a cat, and Dynojet PV3. Unlocked the tune file and shut off the AIS. Note that all fuel injected vehicles come with the fuel map set for 14.7:1 afr. Because of that my bike had extreme popping that sounds like a shot gun. And the performance gain was minimal. Then after changing the fuel map setting to 12.8:1 afr all the popping stopped and a very noticeable power gain. So do you need to flash your ECU? No. Will a ECU flash with afr increased add more smiles per mile? Absolutely!!! As a ASE certified master technician I've been doing that for decades on everything and highly recommend it.
Best explanation about the whole theme. I asked my Ducati dealer about software tuning for my Ducati scrambler 800 like Power Commander...my dealer recommended a open exhaust + specialized software exactly for the new exhaust. So I bought a termignoni open race exhaust with the factory software .. And this works very fine on my bike...and it was absolutely worth it. Dear Alex regards from germany and stay health. PS: I apologize for my english but I think you understand ;-).........a abo is also done - you deserve it ;-)
Good one Alex! Here's a little story. I have a -17 KTM 690 Duke. My son has a -16 KTM 690 Duke. My bike have a DNA stage2 airfilter, decat LeoVince midpipe and a Mivv endcan, and a Boosterplug. My sons is fitted with a PC5, Acra endcan and that's it. My bike starts easy, normal temp. revs like hell and pulls like a train without hesitation. My sons bike does the same. Mine runs 24km/l and my sons 22km/l. His bike has less vibration down low. But not by much. But there is a difference. What I did after my mods was to let it run for 600 seconds. Turn it off, ignition on again (without starting) and pull the throttle slowly to full and slowly back again. Ignition off. Now it's calibrated. All we need now is a side-by-side comparison! By the way, my bike is sunning fine, no pops or coughing. I've done 10000km in this configuration and it runs great. Citytraffic in hot weather makes it warmer (of course!) but not more than before the mods. So I guess the ECU on these models have a broad adjustment area. Thank you!
I have a 2001 Vulcan nomad and i use a power commander and it works for me, but I built my exhaust myself and I got the map nearest to mine and then play with the numbers in each range until I get the most out of it. now I have been using a commander for about 15 years
Get an autotune with a power commander and you can fine tune the fuel / air mixture at any rpm, at any throttle position in any gear. I had this on my WR250X and it was a very good investment.
I agree. I have one on my 06 FJR1300. The fuel mapping for the 06/07 were crappy and it has helped tremendously. I experimenting with AF ratios in the cruising area to get better MPGs.
Great review, Alex. When you refer to older vs. newer FI systems, are you actually describing "open loop" vs. "closed loop" FI systems? The difference is the mass airflow sensor on closed loop systems that can detect increased airflow, such as when a new exhaust is installed (as you described) and adjust fuel mixture accordingly. A lot of newer off-road bikes still use open loop systems. I just installed a PC-V on a 2021 KLX300R. Still running stock exhaust and intake. It's made a noticeable improvement. Still...I wish I'd watched your video before the installation. I didn't think to check into whether the bike could be reflashed --- still interested in finding out.
19 Suzuki Hayabusa installed K&N air filter, RLS Chaos series exhaust ran fine. Installed power commander V. Could tell increase in power, ram fine for couple months. Then it started fouling out plugs. Could tell it was over fueling. Took the power commander off. Runs fine again.
hi. great vid. I have been looking into it since I bought m109r. The best I could come up with is it isn't that easy to reflash. I could buy a mod kit to allow it to be reflashed and put it on a dyno, which would end up costing over $1000. so the price of the PC V was a cheaper way to go and I found it worked very well. Better throttle response while the bike was standard and now there is a great selection of tunes to choose from. plus it has a duel tune capability as well as being able to be manually adjusted to specifically fit the bike. the downside is that for further and more precise ignition mapping etc you then need to purchase more modules. So if you want to completely alter your fuel and ignition mapping and rev limiter then reflashing is the way to go
hey i ride with a group and we all have 109s and flashing the ecu has a major difference from factory that makes the bike alot more smooth hope it helps !
I put a full exhaust on my 2018 CBR1000RR in addition to a K&N filter and auto tuner from Power Commander. My Honda mechanic suggested to have the power commander. The only time you don't need it is when you have slip on or half system. I have the Power Commander V
You make some great points and I have to agree with you . A motorcycle ECU Flash is a much better option especially since you can also change so many other parameters at the same time like I did on my fz09 such as speed limiter , engine braking , throttle response etc . Keep the videos coming they are all great and informative
Problem with ECU flash is the map isn't made for the environment in another country where the environment parameters maybe a lot different. A map made in Europe may not work as good in a hot and humid country like India.
@@sinnombrea1944 That's the issue I'm facing here.. EU mapping of the CRF250 Rally is completely different than in Canada. The EU tuning performance is far superior than in Canada. It's also very noticeable with the Honda Transalp! There's just a huge lack of power on the Canadian version.
@@Mobstar76 If the EU map performance is better than Canadian version what is the issue you are facing? To be honest the best mapping would be a piggyback ECU with wideband autotune controller (to map initially) and then fine tune it the way you want. It'll be a slow process and time consuming but if you know what you are doing it'll be the perfect map for you.
I took my 07 roadglide and installed a stand alone ignition system and carburetor, eliminating the crappy fuel injection system and it runs amazing. No need for a power commander
Hum…just fitted a PCV on my 2019, KTM 690 enduro r. Had the work done at my local, KTM-certified shop. All the hoopla was that it would be beneficial, if not downright necessary. Now I’m wondering? So, I look forward to getting back to all y’all with a review of my own if you’re interested. ITMT, thanks Alex, your review is professional, informative, and well received. Keep up the good work!
I put some slip on Hooligan mufflers on the RF Int 650 and added a booster plug wher the sensor sits behind the Airbox. I also added a DNA high flow air filter. That was it. A much cheaper way to go and seems good to me. I get some roll off crackle and pops when i want but i can can control that with gear selection and throttle adjustment. Give the bike a bit more old skool appeal. The booster plug helps the bike run a little ritcher which it cooler on the motor.
Nearly correct a close analogy the idea is to as you said adjust the air and fuel to the new exhaust. Yes some support a set type of exhaust however the best options are to get the bike tuned professionally or use a pcv autotune unit the first can be expensive especialy if fitting of the electronics is required. As with many things a little knowledge can be dangerous so if in doubt take it to a tuner although I will add diy can be fun and my own experience found lots of info online and dynojet tech support in the UK very helpful. Certainly in my experience all the bikes I have had and upgraded the exhausts have benefited from a custom map mostly achieved through autotune using a base map and patience learning what should be set and the best options for performance and economy modes often settling for something in between however to achieve this patience and a good understanding of what you are doing and an ability to use the tools and computer are required. Dynojet pod 300. In respect to the pod 300 unit from dynojet I found it badly made and useless so opt for connecting a laptop when required which frankly when optimised is rarely required for general use unless you need fast map switching which can be achieved with a simple switch give the pod 300 a miss. I also recomend making sure other important things are checked first such as the throttle bodies being balanced, people think they are set at factory and thats complete rubbish, so far nearly every bike i have had has unbalanced throttle bodies, the bottom line here is fix the basics then look at the advanced options. As someone else said firstly buy some good bike gear and if required get some decent training not the bog standard rubbish provided by most training centres and highly recomend some form or advanced rider program. As far as performance tuning and track days yes it makes sence as for the road I disagree with others comments but acknowledge the point, let me explain. Most will never need to change a thing agreed leave it all one and enjoy your stock bike, if your changing the exhaust for tone then there may be a reason to run anew map ensuring the engine is running efficiently. If tuning for power and speed on the road well everyone to there own but personaly see little point other than the owners own ego. So why do I bother I don't do track days well that I guess is the final option I like electronics and engineering and simply prefer to have a system running at peak performance providing a balance of economy and power provsion if required with no contemplation / requirement of high speed acceleration or top end speed, so as someone else said views may vary on why one would bother and that depends on application and personal requirement.
Thanks for the tip on the highball. I have one and want to put all high end performance stuff on her. I know she'll never be a sport bike, but honestly, I just want her to tear my arms off at the low end. I don't need her to go faster than 120 mph, but it would be nice for her to get up there quicker. That might be the rev limiter at 5th and 6th gear (in kind of guessing that's the issue). I don't think I'll ever sell her because when I'm ready to let her go, there won't be support for her, so I doubt anyone would want her
Change full exhaust system, slap on dyno...exactly. 100% of the time air/fuel ratios will be off. And actually they will be off even before new exhaust system or any mod parts. So with that being said, if you add ANY mods you'll need a proper tune period.
POWER COMMANDER is the easiest way to adjust A/F ratio. Coupled with auto tune and the ignition module took my 20 ktm superduke 1290r from 178hp to 204hp. Akropovic exhaust, DNA airfilter, 80mm RR performance intake. I was able to download a map and use the PC5 to run it. Any other way I would need to take it to a technician have my stock ecu flashed and would have to take it back to go back to the stock ecu settings. In my opinion the PC is WAY more beneficial IF you are a racer. IF not that of course you can just do the bare minimum like he's saying.
FYI if you don't install blockoff plates, insall fueling dongles on the wideband censor it will revert back to the emissions restrictions parameters EVERYTIME. THIS IS A MUST. anyone who says there's no benefit to running a PC5 especially when running a full exhaust and airfilter hasn't installed or had it actually working for them. If you bought your motorcycle in the USA or EUROPE you're bike is running with horse power killing restrictions (FACT). If you installed a full exhaust your ECU will try to revert to a leaner ratio. High mid 14s and causes premature detonation and is bad for the longevity engine.
I think that only discussing this issue in exhaust changes in a matter of words is maybe to narrow of a discussion. Because of other aspects that most ppl also change in conjunction with the exhaust is high flow filters which also change parameters and there will not be a tune mapping that comes with that. And like me for my 2015 Road Glide, most of the time cams are also apart of the equation. So i feel as though mentioning that the power commander is one piece in a series that come together as a whole. The auto tune coupled with the power commander can be a system that grows with the changes and better improves performance on an ongoing basis while you are riding. Using CO 2 sensors to see exactly what your bike is doing on the back end as you ride. But otherwise informative for the case of older fuel injections
I installed a power commander on my 2012 suzuki vstrom dl1000 to resolve some lean issues from idle speed up to 3k. I have much better throttle control now, especially when riding in the rain. Thanks for the info.
What about bikes that are purposely detuned for environment/noise reasons? Would it be worth getting the Power Commander to remap for performance rather than noise/environment? In Canada we have strict rules that really kills the performance of bikes just to comply with the standards.
Thanks for doing this. There is some good info here. I have had two Harley’s that I had stage one done to them and I was very satisfied, but these were Harley’s and just about every Harley has this done and the system is tried and true. Now I own a Royal Enfield Himalayan and the path ahead is much less clear.
Good video, I have an old 2007 Ninja ZX6r with a TwoBrothers exhaust. I had noticeable performance gains after installing my Power Commander V. Would I have gained more with a ecu flash I’ll never know???
Alex, hope you (or anyone else) can answer this. So, I want to put on a power commander for my 2021 CBR100RR. But I can't find a power commander VI. I wanted to change my whole exhaust, but I only changed half due to that I can't find a power commander to change the whole thing. My question is, should I add one to my CBR100RR? I wanted one so bad, but now I'm hearing people telling me there's no point. The FI in this bike won't make a big difference between having one or not. I don't race and don't take it to the track.
I was thinking about buying one for my 2014 Valkyrie. Glad I didn't. I was told by Dynojet that I could expect anywhere from a 5-15% increase in horsepower. I would bet that it would be less than 5% and it costs $500.
I put one on my 2002 vtx 1800 and wow the difference was amazing. I have one one my 2000 cbr 929 rr Wow is all I can say! So much more responsive, smooth and had way more torque through out gears and rpm.... What I really noticed was how smooth it was at low speed in a parking lot..... Not sure where this info came from but I highly disagree, IF exhaust and intake upgrades were or are being done is highly recommend getting a power commander. It's well worth it! I had my vtx tuned, however the exhaust bike and air were same on cbr, so I downloaded a couple till I found a few I liked, and tweaked a few air and map changes.
I have a 2015 duke 390 with stock exhaust, it runs super lean from the factory. The power commander fixes the stock tune. Yes a flash tune with a Dyno session at $450 would probably be a better option, but for $350 and an hour of my time I can get it to run smoother and be less jerky at low throttle input. So for me 4hp at the top 10 hp at the bottom and is good enough to solve the problem. I am willing to bet a full Dyno tune is only worth an additional hp or two.
My 2011 zx6r turned off while doing 70mph in the highway, I believe it was due to power commander (bazzaz brand). I then ripped the whole thing out of my bike and so far no issues.
I took the cat off and put short tors on my triumph thunderbird. Triumph forum said just start the bike and let it tick over until the fan come on. Then switch it off start it again all should be good. It wasn't. I got it remapped and dyno tested running really sweet now. Glad I never bought a power commander.
hmmm... im just learning about all this stuff, but it already makes sense what you are saying about beter fuel injection... akrapovic says no fuel remapping required... so... yea, so..
I have one on my kawasaki Z400 and i have NO problems with it at all runs perfectly fine i had my mechanic tech. re dynojet my kawasaki Z400 and it runs great you just have to do your owned research and see if its good for your bike or not that it.........
Alright, I've installed full systems on bikes I've owned in the past and installed a power commander before. How do I know if the bike is running too lean or too rich?
I like your review but in my situation my tech at Honda suggested to have it installed since I have a full akropovic system, K&N air filter and Dyno Jet auto tuner.
Great vid topic, but I am going to concur with 2 other commenters: What about the RE 650s and what about the boosters units (which supposedly on enrich fueling during acceleration)? There are a bunch of youtube content saying that the RE 650s will "adjust" their own fueling by just letting them run for 15 minutes after a new exhaust system is put on. And how can one tell if after putting on a new full system that the bike needs a fueling remap/flashing/power commander etc... I think a lot of folks coming to your channel are interested in the RE 650s so you should, when discussing a topic like this, always speak generally and then specific to your bike. Additionally, I suspect there are but of old dudes, like me, who rode carbureted bikes for a long time and then took a break for some years only to come back the 2 wheels to find everything is fuel injected and there are all these electronic extras. The first time I heard people mention a power commander, I was like what is that? A video game? The leader of the Power Rangers?
Hahaha, absolutely. I have addressed the booster plug question a couple of times, I think I will be trying one out at some point so I can give a good "first hand" review on it! The way I know if an exhaust is causing me to have issue is just to pull the spark plugs, they will tell me if the bike is running lean or rich (just like in the old carb days haha).
Hi Alex I have a 2001 tl1000r it had a power commander 3 in it when I got it 9 years ago it started acting up so my mechanic unplugged it now it runs rich to much fuel So what I'm asking is can you just unplug a power commander system without re tuning anything
Thanks for the update! I just got a Kawasaki z 400 2022. I'm planning on getting a K&N air filter. Modified air box. So I don't think I need anything else as far as ECU changes!? Sticking with stock exhaust! Any comments?
How can you tell if your bike is running lean or rich? Also do you use motorcycle specific diagnostic computers? If you do can you make a video on the tool of choice and a few use cases? Thanks in advanced
I wonder why motorcycles use a fuel map instead of a MAF. A Mass Air Flow sensor would compensate for the extra air from a performance air filter and performance exhaust system by adding additional fuel, without needing to fool the fuel injection ECU.
Interesting questions...wish I could ask the guys that design these things haha...I figure they are much smarter than I am in the engineering department, so must be a reason!
@@AlexSimmons11c Well, I looked into it a little more. I can't find the particular link right now, but motorcycles use Speed Density or Alpha-N fuel injection systems that use a fuel map and a Manifold Absolute Pressure sensor, rather than MAF (Mass Air Flow) and O2 sensors. Apparently MAF systems don't work well on motors that rev high or have few cylinders. I'll comment again with the link I found that explains this.
“Fuel-injected bikes often do without some or even all of these sensors, relying solely upon a preprogrammed fuel and spark map calibrated to the engine's stock airflow parameters. In cases like this, the computer is almost flying blind, using little more than rpm and crankshaft position to modulate fuel injection.” From this article: itstillruns.com/need-remap-motorcycle-after-putting-new-exhaust-on-12226300.html
You left out one of the most important factors... MONEY. A PC6 cost around $500 and a set of Cobras cost around $700-$1000. That is a lot of chedder to lay down for an exhaust system.
Hey man, what exhaust system did you use on a vulcan that didnt require it to be tuned? I'm looking at cobra dragsters - would love to slap em on and go!
Hey Alex, I just bought a freedom performance sharp curve radius exhaust for my 2011 victory Vegas jackpot. I’m hearing that I will have to tune it and not many places work on victory around me. Should I buy a power commander v?
Very divisive subject , most modern fuel injected bikes with O2 sensors will adjust themselves , take you RE for example , if you fitted a DNA air filter and slip on silencers so giving the bike a much enhanced gas flow in and out , all you would need to do is run the bike on tick over for 10 to 15 mins to allow the ECU to learn the base settings , then take it for a gentle ride for 5 miles or so , again to allow the ecu to adjust to normal load conditions then your done , as you say tech has moved on massively and most modern vehicles now have self teaching Ecu which tailor to your driving habits , even years ago unless you went full retard on your bike there was little benefit from these fuelers , usually they ran far to rich just chucking fuel at the problem , I actually spent ages on my Kawak Meanstreak looking at options once I fitted free flow exhaust and filters , a dyno jet remap ect was gonna see off some 400 plus quid from a dealer , didn`t fancy that after coughing for the up grades so did some research , found some info online from a tech nerd who had spent hours working out all sorts of figures , long story short to richen the mixture just enough to prevent lean running I ended up soldering a 10 ohm resistor in to the air temp sensor circuit , 25p from Maplins and it ran a treat
ECU reflash is the way to go period the power is a lot better over a power commander no extra components to fail like plugs or the unit itself I've ran power commander for years even with auto tune and they didn't come close to power gains and feel of ecu flash
I got a 2014 Duke 690R ..... I'm changing the piston to 12:3 compression ratio and I wanna tune it to 100 octane gas. ...... can I just reflash the stock ECU or do I need the PC 6 or watever else in the market?
I have a 2015 FJ-09 that I bought with about 1000 miles on it. It already has a full two brothers system and a power commander, but now I'm wondering if I should chuck the PC and get the ECU flashed. What kind of problems can the PC cause?
I have a 06 bmw k1200r and I have a pcv with an auotune wide band kit and the pod 300 and with the mods I have it does make a difference but I took the tune dynojet had for the bike and modified it through the software on my laptop so with tuning knowledge and some data logging it can be helpful that being said on my 2019 s100rr I have a reflash of the factory ecu and its great so I agree early to mid 2000s bike can benefit from them but modern bikes I'm on the fence about
Peace Alex. I have a Kawasaki ZZR 1400 2017 with standard exhaust system, can you please recommend any improvements I can add to what is a great bike. Thanks Jono. 👍👍👍
Hey Alex. I just bought a power commander five for my Honda CB650R and that's the only piece of kit I'm putting on my Honda because Dynojet said that there is a map specific for my bike with its current exhaust meaning I don't have to buy a Yoshi or Akrapovic etc ... My CB650R is the 2021 model. What do you think?
Thank you for this. I’ve known about the power commanders for a long time but didn’t totally know if I needed one. Sounds like my 1999 Vulcan Drifter would benefit from one when I change the exhaust.
I have an 07 Boulevard M109R. I purchased it with a full Cobra Exhaust System and Power Comander 3 already installed. I get flat spots in power. Basically in each gear I would get full power immediately after shifting into the gear, then it would lose power in the selected gear. Then it would build itself back up to full power while still in the same gear. It does this in all gears when riding hard. I don't experience this issue when riding leisurely. Would this be a mapping / tuning issue ? Should I just remove the PC3 ? Your Thoughts please.
If you still have the catalytic converter on, i'd say definitely no need for a tune. Deleting the cat is when you really start to confuse the computer and need a tune.
ALEX I have just bought the 650interceptor It seems power commander is a Don't Need . WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS On DNA Filter and Booster Plug For interceptor ? My dealer thinks No as he suggests the Power commander But I think maybe Not after your video WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS
So I have a 2009 Kalissa keep Walkin 900 plastic LT and I replaced the stock exhaust for a Vance and Hines/staggered exhaust system. I was recommended power commander six which I still have not put it on yet. Do i need to for this Bike?
Thanks now I know what to do I got 2015 voyager It came with the Power Commander but I'm going to put some slip from sharhroad pipes so I had to take off the Power Commander o what you recommend please help me out
So my question is i have a 06 gsxr 750 and it come with a power comander can i just take it out and see if i can plug it to a computer and see what type of mods those it have? Been having it for about 7 years now.not to long ago i saw that it had one lol i wanted to install a M4 short exhaust but idk if it will be a problem
I am curious if someone bike was running lean, wouldn’t putting a higher octane fuel help keep them safe? And even possibly give them more power? What about race fuels?
I have a 2016 harley 883 sportster. So far the only modification I have done to it is use a K&N air filter. I have checked the plugs a couple of times and they are snow white. However, it doesn't backfire when I decelerate. It runs ok but I can tell the motor needs some more fuel without a doubt. In the future most likely I want to put slip ons and a bigger cam. Not hot! Just more duration. Any ideas?? With such small modifications could a dealer just reflash my stock fuelpac??
I absolutely DO NOT want a piggyback tuner for my Victory XC but I live in liberal California so my options are super limited. Cant find anyone that uses the software for the Maximus flash tuner by Technoresearch and dealers won't touch my bike involving anything emissions related. Found someone out of state that can remote tune my bike with the maximus but it just seems like to much of a hassle....I hate my state and the fact its hard to find victory techs now a days 🤦🏽♂️
What's your views on Booster plug? Have you considered fitting one to your RE? I have the booster plug both on my interceptor and classic 500. Have noticed both bikes pick up slightly better but its subtle. The classic 500 seems to want to up shift a lot earlier without lugging the engine. For the modest outlay worth a punt. Interesting topic.👍
Very interesting topic, and I may get one just to try it out for everyone! My bike has been running great thus far, but with an exhaust swap I would definitely be willing to try one, especially "for science" on the channel!
Everyone is entitled to their opinion. After market high flow air filter and exhaust systems require fuel remapping. If all you are doing is blasting around on the street, flashing would be sufficient. If you are riding track days at multiple tracks where there is a difference in elevation, ambient temperature and different rpm ranges (big track, small track, twisty track etc) there is very little else on the market that could help you more than a PCV with Auto Tune or another brand equivalent. I ride as many as 12 track days per year from the end of May to the end of September. That is at least once every 2 weeks. I ride up to 4 different tracks (Road Am, Blackhawk Farms, Autobahn and Puttnam). As far as I am concerned if you do not go to the track there is no need for a sport bike. I run a 1 liter Suzuki GSXR with high flow air filter and GP exhaust. The difference between Road Am and Blackhawk Farms is substantial. The fuel map I use at Road Am is way to rich for Blackhawk. The RPM range is completely different. With a PCV and Auto Tune after 2 sessions my bike is tuned almost perfectly. The first session of my day my bike runs very sketchy. By the second session a drastic improvement is noticed with no more effort other than connecting my tablet to the PCV module and with one or two key strokes I remap exactly for the current conditions. I can also remap as my day goes on to compensate for heat and humidity. This would be impossible without Auto Tune. So the moral to this long winded story is...... If all you do is ride the street you do not need an after market exhaust, air filter or a fuel management system. You will never utilize more than 50 percent of you sport bikes stock ability anyway. Do not waste your money. Rather buy yourself a high quality helmet, boots, gloves and riding leathers. Then go to the track for a track day. Nothing makes you and your bike faster than performance riding experience. NOTHING. For $1,000.00 you can be on the track, with a coach going faster than you ever dreamed possible. The second time you go to the track and every time after will cost you about $180.00 for an 8 hour day. "Once you ride the track, to the street you will never go back". Once you have track experience then add go fast components to your bike. You will be surprised though just how fast a stock bike is. And no, you do not have to crash your bike. Riding a track day is far safer than ripping on the street. This isn't racing. This is about learning to ride as fast as you are able. Far faster then you can ride on the street.
Thanks for the great reply man. I was just interested in this. But I've no need for it. Your right about track days, I haven't done one on the 600 but I feel like that's how I'm going to learn way better the feel of touching knee in a safer environment than road racing in northern Ireland. We have a massive road racing heritage, and that gives you false confidence. Thank Christ I learnt trail breaking. But yea I think learning the near limits of the machine on track is a WAY better than to spend money on this stuff.
I don’t know where you live, but if you watch any videos on you tube you will see all kinds of bikes “Street Racing”. We’re not talking about it be illegal or unsafe. You see it ALOT. So as far as what ppl need to spend there money on is your opinion and your entitled to that. You see bikes with aftermarket exhaust, Stretched, and lowered every where on the streets. There’s no telling what hidden work is done. So if someone wants 180 hp, 280hp and never goes to the track then that’s there business and there money.
How long did it take you to type this crap? OMG
Do I need a power commander if installed an intake on my motorcycle? No exhaust system
If aren't on a track, you don't need a sport bike. SO TRUE.
Most people also swap out the stock air filter for a performance product like a K&N that flows a lot better. Exhaust and filter change may need the fueling re-mapped.
On my 2019 MT09 I went with K&N, full exhaust without a cat, and Dynojet PV3.
Unlocked the tune file and shut off the AIS.
Note that all fuel injected vehicles come with the fuel map set for 14.7:1 afr.
Because of that my bike had extreme popping that sounds like a shot gun. And the performance gain was minimal.
Then after changing the fuel map setting to 12.8:1 afr all the popping stopped and a very noticeable power gain.
So do you need to flash your ECU? No.
Will a ECU flash with afr increased add more smiles per mile? Absolutely!!!
As a ASE certified master technician I've been doing that for decades on everything and highly recommend it.
I installed a pcv on my flashed 2013 xtz1200 with full exhaust. I wondering if I even needed the pcv
Thanks for taking the time to make this video. I know nothing about this subject but I'm curious about it and you explained the basics very well.
Best explanation about the whole theme. I asked my Ducati dealer about software tuning for my Ducati scrambler 800 like Power Commander...my dealer recommended a open exhaust + specialized software exactly for the new exhaust. So I bought a termignoni open race exhaust with the factory software .. And this works very fine on my bike...and it was absolutely worth it.
Dear Alex regards from germany and stay health. PS: I apologize for my english but I think you understand ;-).........a abo is also done - you deserve it ;-)
Good one Alex! Here's a little story. I have a -17 KTM 690 Duke. My son has a -16 KTM 690 Duke. My bike have a DNA stage2 airfilter, decat LeoVince midpipe and a Mivv endcan, and a Boosterplug.
My sons is fitted with a PC5, Acra endcan and that's it.
My bike starts easy, normal temp. revs like hell and pulls like a train without hesitation.
My sons bike does the same. Mine runs 24km/l and my sons 22km/l.
His bike has less vibration down low. But not by much. But there is a difference.
What I did after my mods was to let it run for 600 seconds. Turn it off, ignition on again (without starting) and pull the throttle slowly to full and slowly back again. Ignition off. Now it's calibrated.
All we need now is a side-by-side comparison!
By the way, my bike is sunning fine, no pops or coughing. I've done 10000km in this configuration and it runs great. Citytraffic in hot weather makes it warmer (of course!) but not more than before the mods.
So I guess the ECU on these models have a broad adjustment area.
Thank you!
I have a 2001 Vulcan nomad and i use a power commander and it works for me, but I built my exhaust myself and I got the map nearest to mine and then play with the numbers in each range until I get the most out of it. now I have been using a commander for about 15 years
Get an autotune with a power commander and you can fine tune the fuel / air mixture at any rpm, at any throttle position in any gear. I had this on my WR250X and it was a very good investment.
I agree. I have one on my 06 FJR1300. The fuel mapping for the 06/07 were crappy and it has helped tremendously. I experimenting with AF ratios in the cruising area to get better MPGs.
You explain this perfectly, get the bike reflashed, powercommander is just fooling the computer
Great review, Alex. When you refer to older vs. newer FI systems, are you actually describing "open loop" vs. "closed loop" FI systems? The difference is the mass airflow sensor on closed loop systems that can detect increased airflow, such as when a new exhaust is installed (as you described) and adjust fuel mixture accordingly. A lot of newer off-road bikes still use open loop systems. I just installed a PC-V on a 2021 KLX300R. Still running stock exhaust and intake. It's made a noticeable improvement. Still...I wish I'd watched your video before the installation. I didn't think to check into whether the bike could be reflashed --- still interested in finding out.
Thanks for explaining all this, just bought a bike and had no idea what this was. I disconnected it and it was rich.
generally if u only do a exhaust u should be ok but if u put a full flow intake aswell u need one
19 Suzuki Hayabusa installed K&N air filter, RLS Chaos series exhaust ran fine. Installed power commander V. Could tell increase in power, ram fine for couple months. Then it started fouling out plugs. Could tell it was over fueling. Took the power commander off. Runs fine again.
Right on the money! The next thing is finding a local tuner who can set up YOUR BIKE for YOUR RIDING STYLE!
hi. great vid. I have been looking into it since I bought m109r. The best I could come up with is it isn't that easy to reflash. I could buy a mod kit to allow it to be reflashed and put it on a dyno, which would end up costing over $1000. so the price of the PC V was a cheaper way to go and I found it worked very well. Better throttle response while the bike was standard and now there is a great selection of tunes to choose from. plus it has a duel tune capability as well as being able to be manually adjusted to specifically fit the bike. the downside is that for further and more precise ignition mapping etc you then need to purchase more modules. So if you want to completely alter your fuel and ignition mapping and rev limiter then reflashing is the way to go
hey i ride with a group and we all have 109s and flashing the ecu has a major difference from factory that makes the bike alot more smooth hope it helps !
I put a full exhaust on my 2018 CBR1000RR in addition to a K&N filter and auto tuner from Power Commander. My Honda mechanic suggested to have the power commander. The only time you don't need it is when you have slip on or half system. I have the Power Commander V
I have a 2016, just ordered a full titanium exhaust kit with a k&n filter… should I do power commander?
@@jamesdawson7415 Yes you are going to need the power commander v or the bike will run too lean and mess up the bike.
You make some great points and I have to agree with you . A motorcycle ECU Flash is a much better option especially since you can also change so many other parameters at the same time like I did on my fz09 such as speed limiter , engine braking , throttle response etc . Keep the videos coming they are all great and informative
That's the idea! Thanks for the feedback, and sorry for the delay in responding!
Problem with ECU flash is the map isn't made for the environment in another country where the environment parameters maybe a lot different. A map made in Europe may not work as good in a hot and humid country like India.
@@sinnombrea1944 That's the issue I'm facing here.. EU mapping of the CRF250 Rally is completely different than in Canada. The EU tuning performance is far superior than in Canada. It's also very noticeable with the Honda Transalp! There's just a huge lack of power on the Canadian version.
@@Mobstar76 If the EU map performance is better than Canadian version what is the issue you are facing?
To be honest the best mapping would be a piggyback ECU with wideband autotune controller (to map initially) and then fine tune it the way you want. It'll be a slow process and time consuming but if you know what you are doing it'll be the perfect map for you.
Great explanation and reasons for a sensible conclusion. Extra credit for pronouncing Acrapovic correctly. Adds a lot to your credibility.
I took my 07 roadglide and installed a stand alone ignition system and carburetor, eliminating the crappy fuel injection system and it runs amazing. No need for a power commander
Has one on my 2006 GSXR 1000 and it helped a ton!
I was thinking about getting one for my 2002 GSXR 750 and I couldn't make up my mind... It is all stock except for the slip on Yoshimura
@@carlosantoniogarciamacedo1096 I would if I were you easy to install and they have tunes you can get free for your setup just having the yoshi slip.
Hum…just fitted a PCV on my 2019, KTM 690 enduro r. Had the work done at my local, KTM-certified shop. All the hoopla was that it would be beneficial, if not downright necessary. Now I’m wondering? So, I look forward to getting back to all y’all with a review of my own if you’re interested. ITMT, thanks Alex, your review is professional, informative, and well received. Keep up the good work!
I put some slip on Hooligan mufflers on the RF Int 650 and added a booster plug wher the sensor sits behind the Airbox. I also added a DNA high flow air filter. That was it.
A much cheaper way to go and seems good to me. I get some roll off crackle and pops when i want but i can can control that with gear selection and throttle adjustment. Give the bike a bit more old skool appeal. The booster plug helps the bike run a little ritcher which it cooler on the motor.
Nearly correct a close analogy the idea is to as you said adjust the air and fuel to the new exhaust.
Yes some support a set type of exhaust however the best options are to get the bike tuned professionally or use a pcv autotune unit the first can be expensive especialy if fitting of the electronics is required.
As with many things a little knowledge can be dangerous so if in doubt take it to a tuner although I will add diy can be fun and my own experience found lots of info online and dynojet tech support in the UK very helpful.
Certainly in my experience all the bikes I have had and upgraded the exhausts have benefited from a custom map mostly achieved through autotune using a base map and patience learning what should be set and the best options for performance and economy modes often settling for something in between however to achieve this patience and a good understanding of what you are doing and an ability to use the tools and computer are required.
Dynojet pod 300.
In respect to the pod 300 unit from dynojet I found it badly made and useless so opt for connecting a laptop when required which frankly when optimised is rarely required for general use unless you need fast map switching which can be achieved with a simple switch give the pod 300 a miss.
I also recomend making sure other important things are checked first such as the throttle bodies being balanced, people think they are set at factory and thats complete rubbish, so far nearly every bike i have had has unbalanced throttle bodies, the bottom line here is fix the basics then look at the advanced options.
As someone else said firstly buy some good bike gear and if required get some decent training not the bog standard rubbish provided by most training centres and highly recomend some form or advanced rider program.
As far as performance tuning and track days yes it makes sence as for the road I disagree with others comments but acknowledge the point, let me explain.
Most will never need to change a thing agreed leave it all one and enjoy your stock bike, if your changing the exhaust for tone then there may be a reason to run anew map ensuring the engine is running efficiently.
If tuning for power and speed on the road well everyone to there own but personaly see little point other than the owners own ego.
So why do I bother I don't do track days well that I guess is the final option I like electronics and engineering and simply prefer to have a system running at peak performance providing a balance of economy and power provsion if required with no contemplation / requirement of high speed acceleration or top end speed, so as someone else said views may vary on why one would bother and that depends on application and personal requirement.
Your bike is Euro5.
It runs very lean.
The power commander will definitely help
Thanks for the tip on the highball. I have one and want to put all high end performance stuff on her. I know she'll never be a sport bike, but honestly, I just want her to tear my arms off at the low end. I don't need her to go faster than 120 mph, but it would be nice for her to get up there quicker. That might be the rev limiter at 5th and 6th gear (in kind of guessing that's the issue). I don't think I'll ever sell her because when I'm ready to let her go, there won't be support for her, so I doubt anyone would want her
I have one on my 2008 zx6r and it makes it feel much more eager to race.
I’d add another. Euro 5 has created less than ideal low rpm fueling. Remapping can sort this out. It’s not always about speed and full exhaust.
Change full exhaust system, slap on dyno...exactly. 100% of the time air/fuel ratios will be off. And actually they will be off even before new exhaust system or any mod parts. So with that being said, if you add ANY mods you'll need a proper tune period.
Thanks for the explanation regarding a subject I really knew nothing about. I will not be putting anything like that on my w800.
Shouldn't need one anyway haha, thanks for watching and sorry for the delay!
POWER COMMANDER is the easiest way to adjust A/F ratio. Coupled with auto tune and the ignition module took my 20 ktm superduke 1290r from 178hp to 204hp. Akropovic exhaust, DNA airfilter, 80mm RR performance intake. I was able to download a map and use the PC5 to run it. Any other way I would need to take it to a technician have my stock ecu flashed and would have to take it back to go back to the stock ecu settings. In my opinion the PC is WAY more beneficial IF you are a racer. IF not that of course you can just do the bare minimum like he's saying.
if i was to buy a pc for my er6n where would i find maps to download and how do i do that?
I 1000000% believe what your saying.
For instance. I had to have my car remapped when i changed exhaust on it.
FYI if you don't install blockoff plates, insall fueling dongles on the wideband censor it will revert back to the emissions restrictions parameters EVERYTIME. THIS IS A MUST. anyone who says there's no benefit to running a PC5 especially when running a full exhaust and airfilter hasn't installed or had it actually working for them. If you bought your motorcycle in the USA or EUROPE you're bike is running with horse power killing restrictions (FACT). If you installed a full exhaust your ECU will try to revert to a leaner ratio. High mid 14s and causes premature detonation and is bad for the longevity engine.
I think that only discussing this issue in exhaust changes in a matter of words is maybe to narrow of a discussion. Because of other aspects that most ppl also change in conjunction with the exhaust is high flow filters which also change parameters and there will not be a tune mapping that comes with that. And like me for my 2015 Road Glide, most of the time cams are also apart of the equation. So i feel as though mentioning that the power commander is one piece in a series that come together as a whole. The auto tune coupled with the power commander can be a system that grows with the changes and better improves performance on an ongoing basis while you are riding. Using CO 2 sensors to see exactly what your bike is doing on the back end as you ride. But otherwise informative for the case of older fuel injections
well you can change your intake system, and the gas recirculation system too, that will need a new map. Not only differents exhaust needs remaping
Clear cut explanation and THANKYOU!
I installed a power commander on my 2012 suzuki vstrom dl1000 to resolve some lean issues from idle speed up to 3k. I have much better throttle control now, especially when riding in the rain.
Thanks for the info.
What about bikes that are purposely detuned for environment/noise reasons?
Would it be worth getting the Power Commander to remap for performance rather than noise/environment? In Canada we have strict rules that really kills the performance of bikes just to comply with the standards.
Thanks for doing this. There is some good info here. I have had two Harley’s that I had stage one done to them and I was very satisfied, but these were Harley’s and just about every Harley has this done and the system is tried and true. Now I own a Royal Enfield Himalayan and the path ahead is much less clear.
Good video, I have an old 2007 Ninja ZX6r with a TwoBrothers exhaust. I had noticeable performance gains after installing my Power Commander V. Would I have gained more with a ecu flash I’ll never know???
tell that to my 2017 Victory Cross Country when I added cams, intake, and tri-ovals. I went with a Maximus.
Thanks so much Alex for the golden knowledge and info …
Alex, hope you (or anyone else) can answer this. So, I want to put on a power commander for my 2021 CBR100RR. But I can't find a power commander VI. I wanted to change my whole exhaust, but I only changed half due to that I can't find a power commander to change the whole thing. My question is, should I add one to my CBR100RR? I wanted one so bad, but now I'm hearing people telling me there's no point. The FI in this bike won't make a big difference between having one or not. I don't race and don't take it to the track.
Thanks for the video. I have a 23 vulcan s 650 and want to get an exhaust hopefully mine is smart enough to adjust on its own
I was thinking about buying one for my 2014 Valkyrie. Glad I didn't. I was told by Dynojet that I could expect anywhere from a 5-15% increase in horsepower. I would bet that it would be less than 5% and it costs $500.
I put one on my 2002 vtx 1800 and wow the difference was amazing.
I have one one my 2000 cbr 929 rr
Wow is all I can say! So much more responsive, smooth and had way more torque through out gears and rpm.... What I really noticed was how smooth it was at low speed in a parking lot.....
Not sure where this info came from but I highly disagree, IF exhaust and intake upgrades were or are being done is highly recommend getting a power commander. It's well worth it!
I had my vtx tuned, however the exhaust bike and air were same on cbr, so I downloaded a couple till I found a few I liked, and tweaked a few air and map changes.
I have a 2015 duke 390 with stock exhaust, it runs super lean from the factory. The power commander fixes the stock tune. Yes a flash tune with a Dyno session at $450 would probably be a better option, but for $350 and an hour of my time I can get it to run smoother and be less jerky at low throttle input. So for me 4hp at the top 10 hp at the bottom and is good enough to solve the problem. I am willing to bet a full Dyno tune is only worth an additional hp or two.
My 2011 zx6r turned off while doing 70mph in the highway, I believe it was due to power commander (bazzaz brand). I then ripped the whole thing out of my bike and so far no issues.
I took the cat off and put short tors on my triumph thunderbird. Triumph forum said just start the bike and let it tick over until the fan come on. Then switch it off start it again all should be good. It wasn't. I got it remapped and dyno tested running really sweet now. Glad I never bought a power commander.
If you do a 2/3 exhaust so cat all the way back, wouldn’t u still need a servo buddy?
Many people, wouldn't know the difference, louder pipes "seem" faster, lol.
Awesome bro! Thx. Cant find much on this.
What's the gains & where? Wish more people had dyno b4 & after PC.
hmmm... im just learning about all this stuff, but it already makes sense what you are saying about beter fuel injection... akrapovic says no fuel remapping required... so... yea, so..
I have one on my kawasaki Z400 and i have NO problems with it at all runs perfectly fine i had my mechanic tech. re dynojet my kawasaki Z400 and it runs great you just have to do your owned research and see if its good for your bike or not that it.........
Well my 2014 vfr800f "can't" be flashed, since the equipment isn't really out there for it. So PC6 it was, for me. A lot has been done to it.
Alright, I've installed full systems on bikes I've owned in the past and installed a power commander before. How do I know if the bike is running too lean or too rich?
I like your review but in my situation my tech at Honda suggested to have it installed since I have a full akropovic system, K&N air filter and Dyno Jet auto tuner.
Great vid topic, but I am going to concur with 2 other commenters: What about the RE 650s and what about the boosters units (which supposedly on enrich fueling during acceleration)? There are a bunch of youtube content saying that the RE 650s will "adjust" their own fueling by just letting them run for 15 minutes after a new exhaust system is put on. And how can one tell if after putting on a new full system that the bike needs a fueling remap/flashing/power commander etc... I think a lot of folks coming to your channel are interested in the RE 650s so you should, when discussing a topic like this, always speak generally and then specific to your bike. Additionally, I suspect there are but of old dudes, like me, who rode carbureted bikes for a long time and then took a break for some years only to come back the 2 wheels to find everything is fuel injected and there are all these electronic extras. The first time I heard people mention a power commander, I was like what is that? A video game? The leader of the Power Rangers?
Hahaha, absolutely. I have addressed the booster plug question a couple of times, I think I will be trying one out at some point so I can give a good "first hand" review on it! The way I know if an exhaust is causing me to have issue is just to pull the spark plugs, they will tell me if the bike is running lean or rich (just like in the old carb days haha).
Hi Alex I have a 2001 tl1000r it had a power commander 3 in it when I got it 9 years ago it started acting up so my mechanic unplugged it now it runs rich to much fuel
So what I'm asking is can you just unplug a power commander system without re tuning anything
Thoughts on a fuel controller for a 09 FZ6
Thanks for the update! I just got a Kawasaki z 400 2022. I'm planning on getting a K&N air filter. Modified air box. So I don't think I need anything else as far as ECU changes!? Sticking with stock exhaust! Any comments?
should a 2014 yamaha bolt be reguarded as old? From a computer aspect?
How can you tell if your bike is running lean or rich? Also do you use motorcycle specific diagnostic computers? If you do can you make a video on the tool of choice and a few use cases? Thanks in advanced
I wonder why motorcycles use a fuel map instead of a MAF. A Mass Air Flow sensor would compensate for the extra air from a performance air filter and performance exhaust system by adding additional fuel, without needing to fool the fuel injection ECU.
Interesting questions...wish I could ask the guys that design these things haha...I figure they are much smarter than I am in the engineering department, so must be a reason!
@@AlexSimmons11c Well, I looked into it a little more. I can't find the particular link right now, but motorcycles use Speed Density or Alpha-N fuel injection systems that use a fuel map and a Manifold Absolute Pressure sensor, rather than MAF (Mass Air Flow) and O2 sensors. Apparently MAF systems don't work well on motors that rev high or have few cylinders. I'll comment again with the link I found that explains this.
“Fuel-injected bikes often do without some or even all of these sensors, relying solely upon a preprogrammed fuel and spark map calibrated to the engine's stock airflow parameters. In cases like this, the computer is almost flying blind, using little more than rpm and crankshaft position to modulate fuel injection.”
From this article: itstillruns.com/need-remap-motorcycle-after-putting-new-exhaust-on-12226300.html
You left out one of the most important factors... MONEY. A PC6 cost around $500 and a set of Cobras cost around $700-$1000. That is a lot of chedder to lay down for an exhaust system.
Hey man, what exhaust system did you use on a vulcan that didnt require it to be tuned? I'm looking at cobra dragsters - would love to slap em on and go!
Please help, installed full exhaust and K&N FILTER. I have PCV Sazuki Blvd c50 2006 before installing do you think I should install it?
Can dealerships do a tune on the bike . I have a 2003 Honda VTX 1800 with full Rhine hart exhaust with factory K&N air filter
Hey Alex, I just bought a freedom performance sharp curve radius exhaust for my 2011 victory Vegas jackpot. I’m hearing that I will have to tune it and not many places work on victory around me. Should I buy a power commander v?
Very divisive subject , most modern fuel injected bikes with O2 sensors will adjust themselves , take you RE for example , if you fitted a DNA air filter and slip on silencers so giving the bike a much enhanced gas flow in and out , all you would need to do is run the bike on tick over for 10 to 15 mins to allow the ECU to learn the base settings , then take it for a gentle ride for 5 miles or so , again to allow the ecu to adjust to normal load conditions then your done , as you say tech has moved on massively and most modern vehicles now have self teaching Ecu which tailor to your driving habits , even years ago unless you went full retard on your bike there was little benefit from these fuelers , usually they ran far to rich just chucking fuel at the problem , I actually spent ages on my Kawak Meanstreak looking at options once I fitted free flow exhaust and filters , a dyno jet remap ect was gonna see off some 400 plus quid from a dealer , didn`t fancy that after coughing for the up grades so did some research , found some info online from a tech nerd who had spent hours working out all sorts of figures , long story short to richen the mixture just enough to prevent lean running I ended up soldering a 10 ohm resistor in to the air temp sensor circuit , 25p from Maplins and it ran a treat
Definitely a divisive subject haha, as is shown by the split in community and some toxic comments. Thanks for sharing your thoughts and your solution!
ECU reflash is the way to go period the power is a lot better over a power commander no extra components to fail like plugs or the unit itself I've ran power commander for years even with auto tune and they didn't come close to power gains and feel of ecu flash
Doesn't a lean running bike cause more wear over time?
I got a 2014 Duke 690R ..... I'm changing the piston to 12:3 compression ratio and I wanna tune it to 100 octane gas. ...... can I just reflash the stock ECU or do I need the PC 6 or watever else in the market?
I have a CBR XX with a Delcavic Full exhaust system on it! Do I need a power cammander on it bro?🎉
If I remove the catalyst from my 2018 Ducati Multistrada 950 (and install the servo buddy), do I need to reflash the ECU fuel mapping?
Wait, so if I put a decat pipe and slip on I don't need ecu flash or commander?
I installed a pcv on my flashed 2013 xtz1200 with full exhaust. I wondering if I even needed the pcv
I have a 2015 FJ-09 that I bought with about 1000 miles on it. It already has a full two brothers system and a power commander, but now I'm wondering if I should chuck the PC and get the ECU flashed. What kind of problems can the PC cause?
What if I just take out the baffles on the stock pipes on a 2011 Stryker, do I need a commander?
I have a 1998 Suzuki TL1000R with a performance exhaust and air filter so would you say power commander of remap?
I have a 06 bmw k1200r and I have a pcv with an auotune wide band kit and the pod 300 and with the mods I have it does make a difference but I took the tune dynojet had for the bike and modified it through the software on my laptop so with tuning knowledge and some data logging it can be helpful that being said on my 2019 s100rr I have a reflash of the factory ecu and its great so I agree early to mid 2000s bike can benefit from them but modern bikes I'm on the fence about
Is it worth putting one on a k3 1000 with a stock exhaust?
Peace Alex.
I have a Kawasaki ZZR 1400 2017 with standard exhaust system, can you please recommend any improvements I can add to what is a great bike. Thanks Jono. 👍👍👍
Hey Alex. I just bought a power commander five for my Honda CB650R and that's the only piece of kit I'm putting on my Honda because Dynojet said that there is a map specific for my bike with its current exhaust meaning I don't have to buy a Yoshi or Akrapovic etc ... My CB650R is the 2021 model. What do you think?
Flashing is good but non adjustable . . . I think pc is better option as you can adjust it as you please
What about a Suzuki Boulevard C90, M109, or C109rt?
Thank you for this. I’ve known about the power commanders for a long time but didn’t totally know if I needed one. Sounds like my 1999 Vulcan Drifter would benefit from one when I change the exhaust.
For me I don’t wanna flash my bike yet so I bought one for now to just ride until I flash later
would you recommend this if I ripped out the baffles to the stock exhaust
I have an 07 Boulevard M109R. I purchased it with a full Cobra Exhaust System and Power Comander 3 already installed. I get flat spots in power. Basically in each gear I would get full power immediately after shifting into the gear, then it would lose power in the selected gear. Then it would build itself back up to full power while still in the same gear. It does this in all gears when riding hard. I don't experience this issue when riding leisurely. Would this be a mapping / tuning issue ? Should I just remove the PC3 ?
Your Thoughts please.
then O 2 sensor its for what ?
I have Coffman slip-on my cbr300r. So, you’re saying, I don’t need power commander for slip-on? Did i get you correctly?
If you still have the catalytic converter on, i'd say definitely no need for a tune. Deleting the cat is when you really start to confuse the computer and need a tune.
ALEX
I have just bought the 650interceptor
It seems power commander is a Don't Need .
WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS
On DNA Filter and Booster Plug
For interceptor ?
My dealer thinks No as he suggests the Power commander
But I think maybe Not after your video
WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS
Alex,
Vulcan s , with full exhaust , the bikes ecu can self adjust?
So I have a 2009 Kalissa keep Walkin 900 plastic LT and I replaced the stock exhaust for a Vance and Hines/staggered exhaust system. I was recommended power commander six which I still have not put it on yet. Do i need to for this Bike?
Thanks now I know what to do I got 2015 voyager It came with the Power Commander but I'm going to put some slip from sharhroad pipes so I had to take off the Power Commander o what you recommend please help me out
So my question is i have a 06 gsxr 750 and it come with a power comander can i just take it out and see if i can plug it to a computer and see what type of mods those it have? Been having it for about 7 years now.not to long ago i saw that it had one lol i wanted to install a M4 short exhaust but idk if it will be a problem
I am curious if someone bike was running lean, wouldn’t putting a higher octane fuel help keep them safe? And even possibly give them more power? What about race fuels?
I have a 2016 harley 883 sportster. So far the only modification I have done to it is use a K&N air filter. I have checked the plugs a couple of times and they are snow white. However, it doesn't backfire when I decelerate. It runs ok but I can tell the motor needs some more fuel without a doubt. In the future most likely I want to put slip ons and a bigger cam. Not hot! Just more duration. Any ideas?? With such small modifications could a dealer just reflash my stock fuelpac??
I absolutely DO NOT want a piggyback tuner for my Victory XC but I live in liberal California so my options are super limited. Cant find anyone that uses the software for the Maximus flash tuner by Technoresearch and dealers won't touch my bike involving anything emissions related. Found someone out of state that can remote tune my bike with the maximus but it just seems like to much of a hassle....I hate my state and the fact its hard to find victory techs now a days 🤦🏽♂️
What harm or damage would a full exhaust and a k&n air filter do to a 2020 raptor 700r with out a power commander?
What's your views on Booster plug? Have you considered fitting one to your RE? I have the booster plug both on my interceptor and classic 500. Have noticed both bikes pick up slightly better but its subtle. The classic 500 seems to want to up shift a lot earlier without lugging the engine. For the modest outlay worth a punt. Interesting topic.👍
Very interesting topic, and I may get one just to try it out for everyone! My bike has been running great thus far, but with an exhaust swap I would definitely be willing to try one, especially "for science" on the channel!
@@AlexSimmons11c Yeah agree. Runs great on my interceptor especially now I have fitted a pair of Scorpion silencers 👍