@@dr.jekyll2017 Codswallop. They "spent millions" doing the best they can to get around the emissions regs and end up with garbage fuelling, particularly at low revs. That's why modern bikes are jerky around town. Etc.
@@dr.jekyll2017 What's the "2 miles an hour faster" about? It's not about that. But then "sounds like your bike is a pos". Lol. Ok, you have issues apparently.
I’ve installed a number of power commanders and one flash tune kit. The flash tune is way less work to install but a bit more technical with the software. But I love the flash tune. The amount of control is amazing.
guys at velox helped me out with the full harness and qs kit w/ the auto tune after you made that video and im in love. much less work than the PC and alot more options. not to mention you can import PC fuel maps right to the software
Be very careful on the bike you use it with. They have bricked COUNTLESS sc77 honda ecu's and COUNTLESS kawasaki ecu's. Best performance comes from local shops unless you are just looking to correct some afr's
@joe joe theres more than enough videos out there already showing everything the FT has to offer within the software as well as install videos on the bike its self. Its how i made the decision in the first place lol
I've seen a hell of a lot of bikes with those power commanders and they almost all run super lean. They can be ALL OVER THE PLACE. My advise, get it flashed by a reputable shop and make sure its an unlocked tune so you don't have to go back to them if they mess it up. I got mine done at Moore Mafia and they did a great job.
@@AP-wu1rv No Moore Mafia is in Taylors, South Carolina. Just watch his TH-cam channel he shows a lot of videos on dynotuning a whole range of different bikes. Got my bikes ECU flashed by him and made a world of difference compared to no tune. Runs so much better and smoother and seems to be faster. You basically get a dyno tune for the price of a flashtune. Definitely recommend tuning with moore mafia if you plan on getting your bike tuned
Good video! One thing that was not properly mentioned is how easy it is to revert to stock with a power commander. You mentioned removing it which works but is not even needed. With a power commander all you need is to connect your laptop or even smartphone to your bike and change to any map (even stock) you want. You can even have 2 maps on it and add an external switch to change between them.
My favorite part of the ftecu kit on my FZ07 was lowering the fan temps. On slow rides on a hot day in a pack of running bikes, it helps keep the temps way down
Hi guys. I had a k7 gsxr. Around 6 months after buying the bike was invited back to the garage in London where I had purchased my bike to meet the chef engineers about bike set up and help with R and D. Not sure if ECU's across the pond are different? But hear in the UK power commander's don't make a massive difference. In fact on this particular model the euc is already set up for this particular model. Was told by chief engineer from Japan not to waist money on a PC. As they are generally a con. Saying this did fit a power commander 4 to my honda sp1 which helped' smoother throttle control at lower revs. After re map a whopping 5hp. Goes to show a waist of £250 for 5hp. Smooth throttle control worth it. Like I say I know you're bikes are set up different and your cars because your emmission requirements are lower than ours.
Did you want to make a comment about booster plug? An ECU trick that makes the ECU think it's 20 degrees C colder than it is, subsequently putting more fuel into the motor?
You do a great job explaining things without the bs and excessive product placements. Myself I have a fair bit of experience, but just manage to confuse most people. Thank you for a direction to point people in for reliable easy to grasp information. Again. (-; Revzilla's stuff just keeps getting better.
ive watched a handfull of someone explaining whats the point of dyno tunes, ecu, and power commanders. adn thsi is the first one where I feel like I actually got to understand what was being talked about. the analogoly about glasses vs. lasik was gold
PC5 doesn't do much. The O2 sensor in the stock system (closed loop) nullifies most of your fueling changes. Woolich Racing flash seems to best way to go, but it's close to $500 bucks. Send it to Moore Mafia.
Feel much better now, this video came out just in time!! I just mailed out my ECU for a flash, it’s middle of winter so I got all the time in the world lol Thank you Ari for the video!!
TBH, the cost of EFI mods always makes me appreciate carburetors for their budget-friendly-ness. They can be fussy, and come with their own issues/learning curve. But you can re-tune carb(s) for $50, a shop manual (!) and some basic tools, and have $250-300 left for your other mods.
But you have to keep doing that. Once you reflash for the newer bikes they are generally set and forget if it's done right. And if you are in a decent community you can get collaborative help to make sure every setting is the way you want it.
@@TylerTron21 thanks for the explanation! So basically you compare the 2 maps to see if it has been flashed. If the bike was reflashed with a different map then reverted back to stock then we don't know if it has been reflashed before then?
@@TylerTron21 yes, i was wondering if it's similar to odometer tampering/reset. I guess another way is to bring the bike to a shop/dealer to get it checked
@@TylerTron21 i don't think many motorcycles have a date function so I don't think its possible to tell when it was done, or even if there is a mechanism in the code to keep track of that.
What I'd like to see from Ari would be to take all the bikes Zac uses for Daily Rider on a ride through some faster twisty mountain highways comparing them more as a fun bike, separate from their daily use. To top that off, take them to a track and do a dozen hot laps and put them on a list for best lap, showing the fastest lap as a video ending.
I had a PC III that came with a used bike I bought, and I've also re-flashed my current two bikes. Since I'm not a professional tuner, I prefer the re-flash with maps designed by tuners with years of experience with my particular bikes. The UpMap reflash kit I got for my Moto Guzzi V7 850 Stone made it a no-brainer since it simply required connecting the kit to the ECU and downloading the map for my setup via a very intuitive app on my smartphone. And for another $99 I can purchase the OEM map and revert to it if I choose. For my 2012 Kawasaki Concours I had to send my ECU off to the tuner for the re-flash, but removing/reinstalling the ECU was a breeze.
Cool vid man. There is alot of new riders that this will help because when I started alot of people were stingy with info which meant I cost myself some money and heartache but I eventually got it all lined out.
I am surprised that you didn't talk about TuneECU. You download (and can adjust) tunes, and the app (on your phone even), can perform diagnostics, calibrate the speedo, help sync throttle bodies, etx
Flash are better for performance as you can remove all limiters. Most bikes doesn't give 100% gas then given 100% as ecu is limited. Power commander doesn't remove this limiters and usually just give 1-3hp and is mostly over 500$ for almost nothing. I would go for a full ecu flash with all limiters removed.
I had ECU flash on 1250 bandit bit of backfire from slip-on and air filter box mod cleaned it up nice and responsive down low pulls hard but still smooth and responsive very happy
The optimal approach also depends upon the capabilities/design of the ECU. For example, the advanced ECU of the 2020+ BMW S1000RR/XR/R supports fully closed-loop operation and tuning (continuously takes readings from the exhaust sensors), which adapts dynamically to conditions (temp, humidity, altitude, etc.) and so you can get a flash that works for all bikes and configurations (e.g., exhaust and filter changes) of a particular model. Besides more delivering more/unrestricted power, they provide earlier exhaust-valve opening, better idle, faster QS shifts, rev limiter increases, etc. It costs most of $1000 but totally transforms the bike.
one point that wasn't covered is when it comes to selling the bike you can remove the power commander and sell it separately. a flashed ecu may make the bike easier to sell but not necessarily add value brilliant content. glad to see you guys are back 👍
ECU flashes are the way to go, but not all ECU flashes are created equal. Trying to squeeze as much power out of my 2020 R3 as possible, and after some research it’s pretty clear not all companies offer the same level of performance, skill, testing and development.
Just wanna say, loving the feel of the PCV on my 16' ZX6R. Can tell the difference night and day and finding the tune was easy enough. Only chose the PCV over an equal flash because if I wanted to change my flashed settings, I'd have to remove the ECU everytime and have it sent out compare to just plugging the laptop in the garage to the PCV
That's why I bought the flash tune kit and did it myself, along with flash tunes Auto tune. It's been amazing, as many flashes as you want and helps dial everything in.
I have a 2019 z400 and i know i'm not going to get much more power. But there is no reason for a liquid cooled bike to be getting hot at a stop light. Why is it getting hot? The ECO factory setting have it running lean. The throttle is also way more snachy than a 400cc has any buissness beeing. My dirt bike has a smoother throttle. And this all with the factory pipe. I really need a tune.
This was perfect timing Revzilla! I've been on the fence on whether to get a power commander or just get the flash on my R1 and now Ari drops this vid! Def think I'm going with the pro flash and mail it out. Especially now in NJ with all this damn snow my bike has a little bit of downtime unfortunately.
Had a dynojet piggyback module in my 2012 S1000RR that thing made me run on 2 out of 4 cylinders every 800-1000km's or so had to keep changing spark plugs and what not. Removed it in the end never ran smoother
Im considering a PowerCommander on my GSXR 600 because I dont trust local shops to do it since they are know of modding SQUIDs bikes who like to flames 🔥 coming out of the exhaust and the don’t really care about performance
I've recently read that clearing the stock ecu's tune and using a Power Commander 5 with an Autotune is the best way to get the most power out of some bikes. The Autotune added to the PC 5 allows the tuner to give parameters for the PC 5 to keep the bike in when there are atmospheric changes. Fact is, not all bikes have O2 sensors, one of which is my 03 R1, therefore adding the O2 and Autotune seems to be the best for my situation.
Ari i am currently facing a problem of fork oil leak due to a scratch please make a video on various reasons of leak and how to i can repair that scratch PLEASE
I don’t believe you need a tune, ecu flash or power commander if you are just changing to a standard aftermarket airfilter. Maybe depending on the bike, but a the stocked ecu on some newer bikes will be able to adjust on its own?
Say my 2018 GSXR750 start's but 2 to 3 seconds later die's.... Could getting a ECU fix that problem with that issue? I think that's why I had a FI Light on as well. Hum???
Nicely explained sir. As an aside, anyone noticed that long established models that are tweaked to Euro5 tune are returning poorer MPG than previous Euro tunes? Point being that making a bike use more fuel seems counter intuitive to emissions endeavours (California).
Moore mafia reflash worked great on a 300 better throttle better idle cooler running even the exhaust sound got deeper well worth the money ..bought used ecu off eBay for flash tune kept original ecu if ever want to return to stock..but why stay stock..the used ecu and flash was cheaper than power commander..call Moore mafia
I guess the most confusing part about power commander, is how do you know when do you have the optimal map? Does it give you read out that you can then study and adjust?, I just see everyone looking for premade maps, and what I’m trying to do that does not exist
What about installing a fully programmable one like a Haltech ? Why is almost no one doing that? While in car land it is a very common engine tune compoment.
Great basics vid! Depends on the type of bike, pros & cons for each. For PC good if mods done Vs coming, & warranty. Piggy backs give you the option to continue to amend, start w/ pipes, but later add a cam, can change w/ no additional $. Also, new bike under warranty, if you have a piggy back & something goes wrong, you can go back to stock, flash is static & dealer may argue to void. Beyond the 2 options Ari mentions, Smart tuners w/ Autotune go further, sensing your elevation, temps, adjusting. & better than both a flash or PC, a true ECU replacement like a Thundermax Autotune. No piggyback, dyno tunable, larger O2 sensors than factory, then Autotune out of previous maps, revert back to old map at any time. V&H is simplistic Bluetooth option, quickly changeable in app, but limited, uses factory O2
Glad you stated the emissions stuff. Most bikes are good enough from the factory for most applications. The factory exhaust compliments emissions, noise, and performance. If you alter the exhaust you must alter everything else. Most the time the throttle feels more responsive but not a lot of horsepower can be gained. Next time just buy a more powerful bike from the factory. Less depreciation with OEM vs add ons later.
The problem is many, myself included, don't re-flash a bike just for more power. Many OEM flashes are jerky, especially at lower speeds which diminishes their rideability. Re-flashes have made my bikes more fun and more rideable.
I believe the flash is better BUT. (1) I lose my 3 year warranty, (2) I mostly just want smoother throttle response, stop the deceleration popping, and maybe run this bike a little cooler, im keeping it stock with stock mufflers and air filter, im apprehensive about sending my ecu out and just waiting ( Ivan's reflash) . Is it a waste of money to do both? Still not sure what to do, thank you for the info though, helped a lot to make a decision.
Actually, both are best. ECU flash removes all the restrictions. Piggy back modules will allow for live on the road/track tuning with real world air intake at real speeds. WSBK, MotoGP, and many other racing platforms have different tunes for different tracks. I would go as far as saying flash is superior.
@FailZero nope even worse Quebec Canada, 5 months of riding if you are lucky, 2200$ in plates a year, 1000$ for insurance and a cop on every corner to give out exhaust modded/flashers too small/missing reflector tickets. Basically if its not stock your looking at 500~600$ in thickets
@FailZero nah its been like this for over a decade. Way before trump, started with all the straight pipe bikes, too many peeps didn’t care about the noise they made, people started complaining about the noise so they started passing laws and its been downhill ever since. In all fairness i kinda understand the people who complained, im a bike guy and when 50 big cruisers would drive by it was just crazy, they drive by doing 50kph reving their bikes to turn heads.we only have 1/10 the population of the states so it doesn’t take a lot of complaints before it becomes a majority 🤷♂️
Ok someone answer me this if you change more than just a slip on you change the slip on and get a few-cat link pipe does your bike need a ton or power commander or you can just let it be
Your needs and availability should dictate what you get. Power commander/RapidBike is by far the cheapest option for my bike. PCV 320$, RB evo 600$, Brentuning 800$ without import and other costs (was around 1000$ after everything). If the third option was not available, I would have probably just left it stock as I like my warranty. A piggyback is pretty visible, whereas a flash that you can revert back to stock whenever, is not, unless the ECU goes back to the bavarian mothership.
Nowadays Akrapovic and Termignoni if u buy their full system (Ducati Bikes) includes Air Filter and upmap. It isnt necessary Ecus, tons of cables and several hours of work on bike 😎.
Just installed akrapovic headers to a SC project can on my 20 r6...idk which option is best or how to go about it...don't wanna screw anything up ...help?
so here is the thing, im new to riding, got a 2016 ktm rc 390 with werkes usa exhaust, k&n air filter, and new battery. and i need something like the flash or piggyback. but wich is best here?
If, for example, you absolutely loved the R1. The looks, the sound, the handling but found it far too powerful, is it possible to detune the R1 where it makes 50% less power? Thank you.
Ive been using a Power Commander on my TL1000R and i have to admit i like it but it reminds me of setting up an AEM, MegaSquirt, speeduino, Haltech, Power FC, etc, type system on nissans, mitsus, Ford, etc... I guess growing up in the time period of "eprom flashing" turned me away as it was tedious work at times. Simpler to jump into a laptop and tweak injector duty cycle or scaling than burn an eprom and install it
When it works, FTecu stuff is great. When you face a bug or a cable issue, you're on your own, they'll never reply your questions or help you. Also infamous for "Oh your cable suddenly doesn't recognized your linked bike ECU? Yeah we changed the way they are identified. Please purchase another $99 license..."
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What gives you more hp powercomander or reflash the stock one??
??? Who are they lol 😂 no one important
@@dr.jekyll2017 Codswallop. They "spent millions" doing the best they can to get around the emissions regs and end up with garbage fuelling, particularly at low revs. That's why modern bikes are jerky around town. Etc.
@Dr. Jekyll Most "idiots" find the worst effect of garbage oem fuelling in the first 10%. Catch up dude. Lol.
@@dr.jekyll2017 What's the "2 miles an hour faster" about? It's not about that. But then "sounds like your bike is a pos". Lol. Ok, you have issues apparently.
I’ve installed a number of power commanders and one flash tune kit. The flash tune is way less work to install but a bit more technical with the software. But I love the flash tune. The amount of control is amazing.
Yeah it's pretty remarkable what they can do with the software.
I'm gonna turn a wrench.....This makes me a CUSTOMIZEERRRR!!
guys at velox helped me out with the full harness and qs kit w/ the auto tune after you made that video and im in love. much less work than the PC and alot more options. not to mention you can import PC fuel maps right to the software
Be very careful on the bike you use it with. They have bricked COUNTLESS sc77 honda ecu's and COUNTLESS kawasaki ecu's.
Best performance comes from local shops unless you are just looking to correct some afr's
@joe joe theres more than enough videos out there already showing everything the FT has to offer within the software as well as install videos on the bike its self. Its how i made the decision in the first place lol
I've seen a hell of a lot of bikes with those power commanders and they almost all run super lean. They can be ALL OVER THE PLACE. My advise, get it flashed by a reputable shop and make sure its an unlocked tune so you don't have to go back to them if they mess it up. I got mine done at Moore Mafia and they did a great job.
I've seen bikes with them too. They don't seem to run or be any faster then a stock bike. Big waste of money to me.
I love Moore Mafia !!
That shop sounds familiar is that in Florida?
@@AP-wu1rv No Moore Mafia is in Taylors, South Carolina. Just watch his TH-cam channel he shows a lot of videos on dynotuning a whole range of different bikes.
Got my bikes ECU flashed by him and made a world of difference compared to no tune.
Runs so much better and smoother and seems to be faster. You basically get a dyno tune for the price of a flashtune.
Definitely recommend tuning with moore mafia if you plan on getting your bike tuned
+1 for Chris Moore.
Good video! One thing that was not properly mentioned is how easy it is to revert to stock with a power commander. You mentioned removing it which works but is not even needed. With a power commander all you need is to connect your laptop or even smartphone to your bike and change to any map (even stock) you want. You can even have 2 maps on it and add an external switch to change between them.
My favorite part of the ftecu kit on my FZ07 was lowering the fan temps. On slow rides on a hot day in a pack of running bikes, it helps keep the temps way down
Was it hard to tune it you’re self?
My thoughts exactly among others 😊
If you fart in california you broke emission laws 😂
But for some reason it's legal to take a shit on the sidewalk!!! WTF? HAHA!
Not if it’s done under a sheet and u rebreath it back in, as that’s basically what all these engines are doing.
You never been in europe😂😂🎉🎉
Glasses vs Lasik is the best analogy I've heard yet. Great video Ari.
Yeah, that concept really opened my eyes 😁
2:46 that's honestly the best way I've heard these two types of ecu tunes explained. Great job.
I'm glad it resonated with you!
Hi guys. I had a k7 gsxr. Around 6 months after buying the bike was invited back to the garage in London where I had purchased my bike to meet the chef engineers about bike set up and help with R and D. Not sure if ECU's across the pond are different? But hear in the UK power commander's don't make a massive difference. In fact on this particular model the euc is already set up for this particular model. Was told by chief engineer from Japan not to waist money on a PC. As they are generally a con. Saying this did fit a power commander 4 to my honda sp1 which helped' smoother throttle control at lower revs. After re map a whopping 5hp. Goes to show a waist of £250 for 5hp. Smooth throttle control worth it. Like I say I know you're bikes are set up different and your cars because your emmission requirements are lower than ours.
so glad this dude is still making videos, i was an avid fan of mc garage
Agree! Me too 👍🏻
Slick new set and overall production. Looking forward to many more episodes
Are you Haines of Haines Manuals fame? If so, your comment makes this episode Oscar-worthy.
Did you want to make a comment about booster plug? An ECU trick that makes the ECU think it's 20 degrees C colder than it is, subsequently putting more fuel into the motor?
Thanks! I'm really pleased with the new set.
@@batshitcrazymotorcycles7044 cxee
You do a great job explaining things without the bs and excessive product placements.
Myself I have a fair bit of experience, but just manage to confuse most people.
Thank you for a direction to point people in for reliable easy to grasp information. Again. (-;
Revzilla's stuff just keeps getting better.
ive watched a handfull of someone explaining whats the point of dyno tunes, ecu, and power commanders. adn thsi is the first one where I feel like I actually got to understand what was being talked about. the analogoly about glasses vs. lasik was gold
PC5 doesn't do much. The O2 sensor in the stock system (closed loop) nullifies most of your fueling changes. Woolich Racing flash seems to best way to go, but it's close to $500 bucks. Send it to Moore Mafia.
Feel much better now, this video came out just in time!! I just mailed out my ECU for a flash, it’s middle of winter so I got all the time in the world lol
Thank you Ari for the video!!
Where did u send urs too?
@@ChrisRon1k 2wheeldyno
@@SoloMCRider Thanks bro 💯
TBH, the cost of EFI mods always makes me appreciate carburetors for their budget-friendly-ness. They can be fussy, and come with their own issues/learning curve. But you can re-tune carb(s) for $50, a shop manual (!) and some basic tools, and have $250-300 left for your other mods.
But you have to keep doing that. Once you reflash for the newer bikes they are generally set and forget if it's done right. And if you are in a decent community you can get collaborative help to make sure every setting is the way you want it.
@@grndzro777 not to mention that complete ease of mind of not having to worry about carbs and weather outside lol
Yall having alot of carb issues
LMAO carbs? It's not 1995 folks.
Real power is made in timing so ditch the carb, embrace FI and tune!
Nice to see you again Ari.
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How can you tell if a used motorcycle has had its ECU reflashed? Does it leave a trace?
@@TylerTron21 thanks for the explanation! So basically you compare the 2 maps to see if it has been flashed. If the bike was reflashed with a different map then reverted back to stock then we don't know if it has been reflashed before then?
@@TylerTron21 yes, i was wondering if it's similar to odometer tampering/reset. I guess another way is to bring the bike to a shop/dealer to get it checked
@@TylerTron21 i don't think many motorcycles have a date function so I don't think its possible to tell when it was done, or even if there is a mechanism in the code to keep track of that.
Also almost everybody that does a ecu flash usually put there brand sticker on the ecu
What I'd like to see from Ari would be to take all the bikes Zac uses for Daily Rider on a ride through some faster twisty mountain highways comparing them more as a fun bike, separate from their daily use. To top that off, take them to a track and do a dozen hot laps and put them on a list for best lap, showing the fastest lap as a video ending.
I had a PC III that came with a used bike I bought, and I've also re-flashed my current two bikes. Since I'm not a professional tuner, I prefer the re-flash with maps designed by tuners with years of experience with my particular bikes. The UpMap reflash kit I got for my Moto Guzzi V7 850 Stone made it a no-brainer since it simply required connecting the kit to the ECU and downloading the map for my setup via a very intuitive app on my smartphone. And for another $99 I can purchase the OEM map and revert to it if I choose. For my 2012 Kawasaki Concours I had to send my ECU off to the tuner for the re-flash, but removing/reinstalling the ECU was a breeze.
A comparison on benefits between the two would've been a huge help.
Power commander is the way to go especially if you want a quick shifter those will require power commanders.
@@angelcelis9090 no they don’t you can easily get a standalone quick shifter
@@angelcelis9090nope. Quickshifters can be used and installed on its own without power commanders.
Cool vid man. There is alot of new riders that this will help because when I started alot of people were stingy with info which meant I cost myself some money and heartache but I eventually got it all lined out.
I am surprised that you didn't talk about TuneECU. You download (and can adjust) tunes, and the app (on your phone even), can perform diagnostics, calibrate the speedo, help sync throttle bodies, etx
Flash are better for performance as you can remove all limiters. Most bikes doesn't give 100% gas then given 100% as ecu is limited. Power commander doesn't remove this limiters and usually just give 1-3hp and is mostly over 500$ for almost nothing. I would go for a full ecu flash with all limiters removed.
Will the power commander work if I already have a quick shifter that is already piggybacking of the coil pack?
I had ECU flash on 1250 bandit bit of backfire from slip-on and air filter box mod cleaned it up nice and responsive down low pulls hard but still smooth and responsive very happy
The optimal approach also depends upon the capabilities/design of the ECU. For example, the advanced ECU of the 2020+ BMW S1000RR/XR/R supports fully closed-loop operation and tuning (continuously takes readings from the exhaust sensors), which adapts dynamically to conditions (temp, humidity, altitude, etc.) and so you can get a flash that works for all bikes and configurations (e.g., exhaust and filter changes) of a particular model. Besides more delivering more/unrestricted power, they provide earlier exhaust-valve opening, better idle, faster QS shifts, rev limiter increases, etc. It costs most of $1000 but totally transforms the bike.
2:22 amazing how they've developed so much and so well
one point that wasn't covered is when it comes to selling the bike you can remove the power commander and sell it separately.
a flashed ecu may make the bike easier to sell but not necessarily add value
brilliant content. glad to see you guys are back 👍
How common is it to have both a flash and a power commander? Also what's the benefits/drawbacks?
ECU flashes are the way to go, but not all ECU flashes are created equal. Trying to squeeze as much power out of my 2020 R3 as possible, and after some research it’s pretty clear not all companies offer the same level of performance, skill, testing and development.
Just wanna say, loving the feel of the PCV on my 16' ZX6R. Can tell the difference night and day and finding the tune was easy enough. Only chose the PCV over an equal flash because if I wanted to change my flashed settings, I'd have to remove the ECU everytime and have it sent out compare to just plugging the laptop in the garage to the PCV
That's why I bought the flash tune kit and did it myself, along with flash tunes Auto tune. It's been amazing, as many flashes as you want and helps dial everything in.
if the auto tune works then there should never need be another adjustment@@Apollo-Computers
@@unclealzbbq2185 it works amazing.
I have a 2019 z400 and i know i'm not going to get much more power. But there is no reason for a liquid cooled bike to be getting hot at a stop light. Why is it getting hot? The ECO factory setting have it running lean. The throttle is also way more snachy than a 400cc has any buissness beeing. My dirt bike has a smoother throttle. And this all with the factory pipe. I really need a tune.
A professional re-flash is the way to go! It (which wasn’t mentioned) can be re-set to factory settings if required... 👍😎🇦🇺
True, you can always flash back to stock settings.
Hi Ari, good to see you back in a workshop! Greetings from Belgium!
Love that you have an R6 as background with this topic 🤣🤣
This was perfect timing Revzilla! I've been on the fence on whether to get a power commander or just get the flash on my R1 and now Ari drops this vid! Def think I'm going with the pro flash and mail it out. Especially now in NJ with all this damn snow my bike has a little bit of downtime unfortunately.
Especially with Yamahas, FlashTune is the way to go. They've spent a lot of time developing tunes for the R6 and R1 for racing and other applications.
Where do you recommend to send you ecu too I’m scared to send it in the mail an never see it again or have some one mess it up!, I have a (2007 r6)
How he explains the glasses vs lasik was really helpful..thanks
Had a dynojet piggyback module in my 2012 S1000RR that thing made me run on 2 out of 4 cylinders every 800-1000km's or so had to keep changing spark plugs and what not. Removed it in the end never ran smoother
Im considering a PowerCommander on my GSXR 600 because I dont trust local shops to do it since they are know of modding SQUIDs bikes who like to flames 🔥 coming out of the exhaust and the don’t really care about performance
What about dobeck performance afr+ which changes fuelling via afr?
Vcyclenut flashed my fz09...best $250 I’ve ever spent
Your vids are super helpful and keep the spark going in motorcycling!
You can use a Dynojet tuner that isn’t permanently connected to the bike.
Can you guys do a session on suspension adjustments? ei: going over rebound, compression and stuff and what each setting would do.
Just check out Dave moss tuning he can even do a remote tuning session for you based on your riding style
We just filmed a “Suspension Lingo 101” vid and will do more suspension vids in the future.
@@AriH211 music to my ears. Keep up the amazing content.
i would also suggest to watch Dave Moss tuning channel for more in depth info on suspension
What are options for making a carbureted 03, 250 faster?? Bigger jets, exhaust swap anything else?
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I've recently read that clearing the stock ecu's tune and using a Power Commander 5 with an Autotune is the best way to get the most power out of some bikes. The Autotune added to the PC 5 allows the tuner to give parameters for the PC 5 to keep the bike in when there are atmospheric changes. Fact is, not all bikes have O2 sensors, one of which is my 03 R1, therefore adding the O2 and Autotune seems to be the best for my situation.
What I’ve been debating on doing. The ecu has the governor and has limited my auto tuner a bit so curious if that would help.
Ari i am currently facing a problem of fork oil leak due to a scratch please make a video on various reasons of leak and how to i can repair that scratch PLEASE
I don’t believe you need a tune, ecu flash or power commander if you are just changing to a standard aftermarket airfilter. Maybe depending on the bike, but a the stocked ecu on some newer bikes will be able to adjust on its own?
Does PCV over write the command even with narrow band O2 sensor installed on bike,how does it over come the closed loop fuel table
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I have a xtz1200 with a flash and a PCV. It runs great. Did I waste money by adding the PCV? Would Autotune do me any good?
Went with DIY and bought Woolich with the logbox to measure AF ratios with a wideband sensor. Seems much better, but gas mileage has gone down. So...
Say my 2018 GSXR750 start's but 2 to 3 seconds later die's.... Could getting a ECU fix that problem with that issue? I think that's why I had a FI Light on as well. Hum???
Nicely explained sir. As an aside, anyone noticed that long established models that are tweaked to Euro5 tune are returning poorer MPG than previous Euro tunes? Point being that making a bike use more fuel seems counter intuitive to emissions endeavours (California).
please more content on re-flashing, tuning etc..
Moore mafia reflash worked great on a 300 better throttle better idle cooler running even the exhaust sound got deeper well worth the money ..bought used ecu off eBay for flash tune kept original ecu if ever want to return to stock..but why stay stock..the used ecu and flash was cheaper than power commander..call Moore mafia
I guess the most confusing part about power commander, is how do you know when do you have the optimal map? Does it give you read out that you can then study and adjust?, I just see everyone looking for premade maps, and what I’m trying to do that does not exist
What about installing a fully programmable one like a Haltech ? Why is almost no one doing that? While in car land it is a very common engine tune compoment.
Great basics vid! Depends on the type of bike, pros & cons for each. For PC good if mods done Vs coming, & warranty. Piggy backs give you the option to continue to amend, start w/ pipes, but later add a cam, can change w/ no additional $. Also, new bike under warranty, if you have a piggy back & something goes wrong, you can go back to stock, flash is static & dealer may argue to void. Beyond the 2 options Ari mentions, Smart tuners w/ Autotune go further, sensing your elevation, temps, adjusting. & better than both a flash or PC, a true ECU replacement like a Thundermax Autotune. No piggyback, dyno tunable, larger O2 sensors than factory, then Autotune out of previous maps, revert back to old map at any time. V&H is simplistic Bluetooth option, quickly changeable in app, but limited, uses factory O2
Power commander now has an add on auto tune, so you flash the PC for your tune and the auto tune adjusts fuel mapping for elevation/ etc.
Glad you stated the emissions stuff. Most bikes are good enough from the factory for most applications. The factory exhaust compliments emissions, noise, and performance. If you alter the exhaust you must alter everything else. Most the time the throttle feels more responsive but not a lot of horsepower can be gained. Next time just buy a more powerful bike from the factory. Less depreciation with OEM vs add ons later.
The problem is many, myself included, don't re-flash a bike just for more power. Many OEM flashes are jerky, especially at lower speeds which diminishes their rideability. Re-flashes have made my bikes more fun and more rideable.
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I believe the flash is better BUT. (1) I lose my 3 year warranty, (2) I mostly just want smoother throttle response, stop the deceleration popping, and maybe run this bike a little cooler, im keeping it stock with stock mufflers and air filter, im apprehensive about sending my ecu out and just waiting ( Ivan's reflash) . Is it a waste of money to do both? Still not sure what to do, thank you for the info though, helped a lot to make a decision.
does it matter where the aftermarket exhaust 02 sensor is placed?
Ecu flashing is superior. Had both.
Actually, both are best. ECU flash removes all the restrictions. Piggy back modules will allow for live on the road/track tuning with real world air intake at real speeds. WSBK, MotoGP, and many other racing platforms have different tunes for different tracks. I would go as far as saying flash is superior.
ECU reflash is the way to go
how important is it to keep the 02 sensor after you get the ECU reflashed?
I have a kawasaki z650 that has a really choppy throttle. will reflashing the ECU to a more smoother fueling during off throttle solve it?
Seriously love watching your videos man helps me Soo much bro
I ride a 1090R. Don’t know that feeling of needing more power or faster throttle response, just switch to sport mode and go.
I love how a custom tune increased my fuel mileage but yet it’s illegal
@FailZero nope even worse Quebec Canada, 5 months of riding if you are lucky, 2200$ in plates a year, 1000$ for insurance and a cop on every corner to give out exhaust modded/flashers too small/missing reflector tickets. Basically if its not stock your looking at 500~600$ in thickets
@FailZero nah its been like this for over a decade. Way before trump, started with all the straight pipe bikes, too many peeps didn’t care about the noise they made, people started complaining about the noise so they started passing laws and its been downhill ever since. In all fairness i kinda understand the people who complained, im a bike guy and when 50 big cruisers would drive by it was just crazy, they drive by doing 50kph reving their bikes to turn heads.we only have 1/10 the population of the states so it doesn’t take a lot of complaints before it becomes a majority 🤷♂️
Even though mileage is improved, it possibly worsened emissions. That said, if emissions improve, I don't see the problem.
@FailZero true!
@@TheStp77 WTF, is it really that bad?! Jesus haven't they got really criminals to harass and worry?
Does anybody know if installation of a Power Commander will mess up cruise control?
Definitely interested. Just got a GSX650F, and it surely is no monster. Sounds and rides great but I definitely want to bump up the 85hp.
You should add- Dynojet Power Commander can add on the 'autotune' box so the bike will tune itself at all times for the mods, elevation, weather.
Plz recommend me a universal scanner who can flash or reprogram ECU thanks
Does a motorcycle have to be running to have the ECU flashed? I ask because my engine is partially disassembled and will turn on but not start. TY
Ok someone answer me this if you change more than just a slip on you change the slip on and get a few-cat link pipe does your bike need a ton or power commander or you can just let it be
Your needs and availability should dictate what you get.
Power commander/RapidBike is by far the cheapest option for my bike.
PCV 320$, RB evo 600$, Brentuning 800$ without import and other costs (was around 1000$ after everything).
If the third option was not available, I would have probably just left it stock as I like my warranty.
A piggyback is pretty visible, whereas a flash that you can revert back to stock whenever, is not, unless the ECU goes back to the bavarian mothership.
Hello, please will this reflash work for my er6n kawasaki 2015 , also which reflash tune kit do you recommend ?
Can you please recommend a reputable place to mail in my ECU for flash?
That R6 though 😍
Nowadays Akrapovic and Termignoni if u buy their full system (Ducati Bikes) includes Air Filter and upmap. It isnt necessary Ecus, tons of cables and several hours of work on bike 😎.
Just installed akrapovic headers to a SC project can on my 20 r6...idk which option is best or how to go about it...don't wanna screw anything up ...help?
If i get my ecu flashed, is it gonna adjust automatically to my aftermarket exhaust and air filter?
Do i need aftermarket tuning tool like Ftecu/woolich to flash and remap my stock ECU?
No sure can this power commander work on carburettor engine on ninja250 for track bike?
Do you have a reflashing kit available for a 2022 triumph speed triple 1200 rs? If so, how much snd what is the part number?
Glad to see you made a full recovery! Love your videos.
so here is the thing, im new to riding, got a 2016 ktm rc 390 with werkes usa exhaust, k&n air filter, and new battery. and i need something like the flash or piggyback. but wich is best here?
So I have a 22 cbr650r and I have the oem quickshifter and I'm curious if I got a power commander of it would still work. Anyone know?
If you guys read this i just want to ask this
Which one is better? Rapid bike or power commamder?
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If, for example, you absolutely loved the R1. The looks, the sound, the handling but found it far too powerful, is it possible to detune the R1 where it makes 50% less power? Thank you.
Buy a 400
What happens if i dont do both? What happen if i put full exhaust withouth doing both
Ive been using a Power Commander on my TL1000R and i have to admit i like it but it reminds me of setting up an AEM, MegaSquirt, speeduino, Haltech, Power FC, etc, type system on nissans, mitsus, Ford, etc... I guess growing up in the time period of "eprom flashing" turned me away as it was tedious work at times. Simpler to jump into a laptop and tweak injector duty cycle or scaling than burn an eprom and install it
I have Power Commander & tune for my 675R track day bike. Works well. Does anyone have experience with Bazzaz?
I ride a mt07 which is digitally restricted to 35kw and 45bhp. Can I remove the restriction by ecu flashing it?
When it works, FTecu stuff is great. When you face a bug or a cable issue, you're on your own, they'll never reply your questions or help you. Also infamous for "Oh your cable suddenly doesn't recognized your linked bike ECU? Yeah we changed the way they are identified. Please purchase another $99 license..."