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Falconers do this with falcons.
They feed the falcon with its previous catch, this dulling the falcons senses and motivation to be free. When the falcon makes a catch, he brings it back to the falconer, thinking he's eating well because of the falconer.
And flys back to him simply based on a short period of trained habit. Not being able to hunt and being hand fed for a month, and he now sees his nourishment as coming from man not itself.
Crazy Pavlovian stuff, watch what you are habituated to doing bros.
I reward myself with biscuits for completing domestic chores. (as part of a healthy balanced diet) I deny myself biscuits unless I literally clean my room, and now I've find myself searching for little tasks around my home, later realizing that I had just subconsciously wanted a biscuit. Now they have to be a justified chores that actually need doing, or no biscuit, but I've also extended it to all the other other tasks and goals in my life. Will YOU risk it for a biscuit?
When eating a biscuit as a reward leads to a personal philosophical revelation
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When asked what I want I’ve often answered “to be pleasantly surprised.” Now I know why.
Jordan’s an Altruistic Genius; he’s so appreciated
Altruistic? More like opportunistic grifter.
@@steven5054now now.
@@steven5054 What is he wrong about, exactly?
if Capitalism is Opportunistic, then yes absolutely an Altruistic move to lead other Professors & Doctors toward independence from our corrupted University & Medical systems.
We have that game in the arcade already. It's the stop the light game to win tickets. Relies on the psychology of the near miss, just as Dr. Peterson is describing his slot machine
Are you saying that I've already started gambling at the age of 6?! 😱
There is a whole industry around building compulsion loops to keep people addicted to video games, social media, etc. Anticipation or call to action, Action, Reward -- in a loop in that order. There are specific methods and "doses" of each that are finely tuned to keep people playing, scrolling, etc. This science can be applied to anything you want to monetize with an addiction mechanic. You'll note this is especially prevalent in mobile games, games of chance, and MMORPG-style video games. Mobile games, for example, keep you low-dosed on reward and give you the anticipation while gatekeeping the action behind a cooldown period (skippable by paying real money). That is one adaptation of this compulsion loop mechanic.
You talk about slot machine gaming but they've been doing this to kids and adults in video games for years. Loot boxes, random skins, power ups. Most people are aware of the slot machine and will stay away but a parent will hand their child system that unless they are careful choosing the game could get their child gambling in no time. This is coming from a gamer. It's sad, but its running the industry because profit is driving how games are made. A beautiful piece of art is turned into "MMO" slot machine dopamine trap.
Give your child Zelda or Mario to play, introduce an adolescence to Souls games so they can learn what a real game looks like and play without this highly addictive dothamine overflow.
Danke 💯
That would mean the brain can control how much dopamine is released in the body. Why do some people have constant energy and no depression but another low energy and constant depression. If the depressed person, however takes something like Adderol , they stop being depressed and become energized… but only until the medicine lasts in the system. There seems to be a constant level of dopamine released, unless an unexpected event occurs, like a snake leaps at you…but that level always go back to a particular level… which remains constant.
After listening to the clip, it might have something to do with the element of confidence/expectation of reward. If someone is regularly reinforced with reward for the way they are living, the system will motivate doubling down on that lifestyle. If someone is not "mastery of their territory" acting excitedly and confidently is both dangerous and a good way to spend all your resrouces without gain. So, the body puts us in an energy efficient, painfully self reflective state instead. The drugs artificially raise dopamine and override this purposeful, adaptive response.
So, the prescription might be something like this:
1. Make sure dopamine levels are not artificially LOW because of lifestyle and poor habits. Eat enough of good food, sleep enough, move enough, decrease your artificial release of dopamine (the basics). Or else, your body will feel that the situation and consequently your fitness to it are worse than they actually are. It could trigger the depressive learning mindset process unecessarily and you could get in a negative feedback loop of feeling shitty about yourself unfairly and further demotivating behavior that would actually make things better and make you feel like you were progressing.
2. Make clear what you want to achieve and avoid. Make sure you are confident these are achievable. The point is that we want to make our subconscious motivation system sense that we are well enough oriented and adapted that we can confidently expect reward. Remember dopamine is about EXPECTATION, not reward. If the goal is desirable, but deep down you don't think you'll actually achieve it, or you can't yetsee the way to get there, you won't feel positive motivation. So, set a goal you are confident you can achieve. Then, create a plan, a system of repeatable actions that if done, would make it unreasonable that you would not eventually achieve your goal. Something that you are confindent you could and would actually carry out. This is where it is important to have a growth mindset. If an intial failure or unexpected complexity shows up when you being your plan you must consider it a learning opportunity that is actually getting you closer to the understanding and skills that will bring about your goal. This IS what growing and adpating feels like. You must understand the idea that the only real failure is giving up the striving process. This reframe is everything for keeping your subconscious expeceting that you will suceed. If every "setback" makes you feel frustrated and discouraged, rather than like your map to your goal just got a little more informed, you will eventually convince yourself to stop being motivated.
3. Start practicing and developing those skills that if repeated would surely make you the person capable of manifesting the reward. You will struggle. It will be harder than you expect. You will have to change and grow. But thats the point. If you keep getting back up when you fall down, whenever you can, and your map and plan are good (or your ability to update your map and plan without losing confidence), then you will surely suceed and you will surely feel intense motivation if the goal is really desirable to you and you take care of your biology.
Hope that answers the question. Good luck!
There's also the element of free alcohol that many casinos distribute to their patrons. The more that you can manipulate someone's conscious reasoning, the easier that it becomes to encourage poor decision-making.
Conscience
Utterly brilliant ❤
Has Jordan ever heard of gacha games? I think that's exactly what he described when he talked about the "most addictive slot machine"
Yeah the older generations needs to take predatory gambling in the video game industry seriously. It's going to be just as much an epidemic for millenials as casino gambling addiction was for Boomers.
I worry older conservatives write this off, believing video games are just immature & stupid anyway. No, they're the leading form of entertainment for Millenial men, many of whom are past 40 now. The conversation needs to change.
Wow. That was a good one! Thanks! :)
If it makes you feel good, do it in much moderation.
Congratulations 👏 you've just described Voting! Along with every (R n G) video game on earth... keep Digging!
This topic made me remember a character: The neurologist in the YT channel Dr. Glaucomflecken.
So, what makes some people seem to have loads of motivation, while others have so little that it makes it hard to do basic things? And why do drugs that increase dopamine seem to make these people do better, at least in the short term?
After listening to the clip, it might have something to do with the element of confidence/expectation of reward. If someone is regularly reinforced with reward for the way they are living, the system will motivate doubling down on that lifestyle. If someone is not "mastery of their territory" acting excitedly and confidently is both dangerous and a good way to spend all your resrouces without gain. So, the body puts us in an energy efficient, painfully self reflective state instead. The drugs artificially raise dopamine and override this purposeful, adaptive response.
So, the prescription might be something like this:
1. Make sure dopamine levels are not artificially LOW because of lifestyle and poor habits. Eat enough of good food, sleep enough, move enough, decrease your artificial release of dopamine (the basics). Or else, your body will feel that the situation and consequently your fitness to it are worse than they actually are. It could trigger the depressive learning mindset process unecessarily and you could get in a negative feedback loop of feeling shitty about yourself unfairly and further demotivating behavior that would actually make things better and make you feel like you were progressing.
2. Make clear what you want to achieve and avoid. Make sure you are confident these are achievable. The point is that we want to make our subconscious motivation system sense that we are well enough oriented and adapted that we can confidently expect reward. Remember dopamine is about EXPECTATION, not reward. If the goal is desirable, but deep down you don't think you'll actually achieve it, or you can't yetsee the way to get there, you won't feel positive motivation. So, set a goal you are confident you can achieve. Then, create a plan, a system of repeatable actions that if done, would make it unreasonable that you would not eventually achieve your goal. Something that you are confindent you could and would actually carry out. This is where it is important to have a growth mindset. If an intial failure or unexpected complexity shows up when you being your plan you must consider it a learning opportunity that is actually getting you closer to the understanding and skills that will bring about your goal. This IS what growing and adpating feels like. You must understand the idea that the only real failure is giving up the striving process. This reframe is everything for keeping your subconscious expeceting that you will suceed. If every "setback" makes you feel frustrated and discouraged, rather than like your map to your goal just got a little more informed, you will eventually convince yourself to stop being motivated.
3. Start practicing and developing those skills that if repeated would surely make you the person capable of manifesting the reward. You will struggle. It will be harder than you expect. You will have to change and grow. But thats the point. If you keep getting back up when you fall down, whenever you can, and your map and plan are good (or your ability to update your map and plan without losing confidence), then you will surely suceed and you will surely feel intense motivation if the goal is really desirable to you and you take care of your biology.
In regards to anticipation, if I want to know if you're addicted to something I'll discuss how you feel when you are trying to acquire the thing.
This grows from my observations of myself when I buy my weed most of the time I can't stop thinking about smoking it when it arrives.
Love me some dopamine.
Enjoyed Sapolsky since Zebra Ulcer book.
So does the word hope illicit the same response when treating long term illnesses/injuries
I'm addicted to TH-cam.
Same
@@hungrygamer7717 It's sucking our lives away. We could be exercising, or spending time with loved ones, or learning some new marketable skill, or even reading or pursuing some hobby. But the TH-cam algorithm has us hooked. There is always some interesting video! And it comes in so fast that I can't keep on top of it!
@@freesk8 Maybe you should consider to formulate a vision of yourself that is so compelling to you, that the hard times you go through, when you fight your addiction, are justified. You may think of it as a replacement of the addiction with the adventure of your life. I just stumbled across this while considering my own faults.
@@friedrichmann664 Wow, that's a great angle! Thanks! :)
Isn't there stress/cortisol involved also?
Therefore the best way to conceptualize the dopamine will be a catalytic pump for anticipation upward and forward Jacobs ladder in some sense….it can also be a manipulative courage to voyage into an unmapped territory if inappropriately introduced as an agency..what the heck do we know..
Hope. They're discussing hope.
("Maybe" something good will happen. )
Then there's also false hope, like when you get better and better reviews at work.. "you're definitely on line to be promoted"...
Dr. Peterson should start playing Vampire Survivors
I believe you are to hold power in CA
Saw the tile thought it was a medical video about vagina. I was wrong.
Did you somehow forget that there's one sitting right next to you?
Best Regards to you
Did Dr. Peterson just interview Freaky Fred (the Robert Crumb character)? A hermit who spent 40 years in the wilderness eating locusts and honey? Jesus?
There is dopamine ready to boost you but its how you get it that matters. I'm glad I don't get it from video games, that would be depressing.
When I first started watching/listening to TH-cams, I discovered Robert, and I thought, “cool..this is what makes online stuff worthwhile!”
Then, for a while I was just disappointed..glad the music library was available…but, disappointed.
After a while, once again, when I found Jordan’s TH-cams, I thought, “heeey..this stuff is worth keeping around!”
(To just listen in on a conversation between a couple winners like these guys, is as close as we can get to winning for losing.)
Now I’m going to probably go back to scrolling…
THANK YOU BOYS!
(Fuck you very much.)
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Hahaha feel the same. Let's go back to scrolling, very difficult to fight this incredibly addictive supernomal stimuli
Ha. Yes, he nailed it. Now I'm looking at this phone in my hand like it's a slot nachine. Put another dollar in the nachine, put another dollar's worth of time into scrolling, the casino owners and the TH-cam owners just keep coll mecting.
The best example of the mastery of the game and the false mastery of the game is the Fisherman not the hero. Why also do the authorities not want you to fish anymore but make money from you in gambling?
The Fisherman is the best example of the signal (line is pulled) -response (you pull the rod) and then you may or may get a reward.
This is why the disciples were fisherman in that this trade was used to spread the gospel. Through faith they would never fail and would receive the best of all eternal rewards (153 fish).
We just spent a month in Vegas to celebrate our retirement. We had a budget of $10.000. We lost $7000. We love vegas, and we had a blast, but if you don't have a budget, it will ruin your life.
You had a $10k gambling budget?
@knowthycell
Yes, it was our retirement gift to ourselves. After working diligently for 45 years, I'd say we've earned it.
I got sick and had to go on disability, and two years later straight to social security, but missing about $500k in pay not working for four years, however, I had saved for a long time. I’m spending about $35k for a used bass boat so I can travel around and fish until I can’t. That’s a gamble, because I might need it for medical expenses, but like milestonemonger stated, it’s a budgeted amount of my savings, (He could have walked out of Vegas with $70k), I have to think about future living expenses! I have activated the light and the reward is coming, bud I know exactly the cost and expenses of my investment! Yes, it’s a tangible investment, but it’s really not much difference, as I could buy a small yacht, but the cost and expenses of docking, fuel, etc. would blow my savings In a short period of time. But I’m also gambling on not having to be moved to a retirement center at $7-8k per month in which I’d have to sell my home! You have to be thrifty in life, or you’ll never make it to retirement without any money to have fun with!
@@Milestonemonger I've only gambled once. My date gave me $20 for the slot machines on a casino boat. I won $20 and cashed in. It wasn't fun and I seriously dislike wasting money, so I got out of there before I lost. I spent the rest of the evening on top looking at scenery as we passed. To me, a good retirement gift to myself would be a cruise on the Rhine River. My brother-in-law and his wife sometimes spend Christmas in Vienna; that's on my bucket list, too.
@@edennis8578
You should go for it. 🎉
Coś jest przyczyną.
I was addicted to slot machines (mostly online) for 10 years. It's a terrible addiction to have.
Po napisaniu pracy z genetyki oddam odpowiedź.
JBP described the idea of digital slot machine tumblers that can land ‘almost’ on a winning combination. These already exist - even the machines with real physical tumblers are electronically controlled.
Pavlos dogs....am I close?
There was an experiment many years ago where they gave chickens either consistent rewards for pecking a food lever or random rewards for pecking a food lever. The chickens who received random rewards pecked many more times than the chickens who received consistent rewards. That's what slot machines remind me of.
My dad was addicted to slot machines. He would draw out of his account while at the casino, as much as the atm and casino would allow.
I will never understand this type of addiction i know lottary is fun but not to a point that I will Empty my bank account for
@@ra3i.alaliaand that's why addiction is a strange thing. Presents differently in everyone. For some people they'll sit watching tiktok for 8 hours, some will spend all their money on gambling. Same thing.
I don’t get what’s even fun about it. As casino is ugly.
I don't enjoy winning at the cost of losing more.
dedicated *
I've been doing what I do for over 20 years. Chasing a dream that never gets any closer. But I legitimately enjoy the process of creating and narcotics/dopamine is an essential part of the process. So i'm not so sure the digitozation has THAT much effect on the behavior...
Not sure if there's anything false here, maybe just some things you are not yet aware of and usually I'm not aware of many things myself so... that sounds pretty much of a regular stuation to me... have a nice day
Robert the guy being interviewed doesnt believe humans have free will.
I used to be one of those in the religious sense.
Free will is a dubious concept. It's open to a massive amount of interpretation.
The "atheistic" view of free will is just negation without any real justification. "You don't have free will because all you are is a collection of particles subject to laws of physics, which can be predicted"
That's like saying "the billiard balls had no free will because they were hit with a particular force at a particular angle"
That view of free will necessarily has to deny that those balls were hit by someone with a particular intent. Just like athiests and science in general necessarily has to deny the far more concrete reality of the subjectivity that underlies all things.
The only reason were aware of the big bang is because there is a person having a subjective experience who can imagine it.
Hoe kan ik het beste dood gaan
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Love you Mr. Peterson, but man I wish you would let the guests finish their sentences...
Conclusion: anda a lugares en los que tengas posibilidad de mejora. Donde no tengas todo ya ganado, y donde puedas ganar de a poco más. Pero que no sea el casino, que sea algo que vaya de la mano con hacer lo necesario para subsistir
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Misophomia was a double edged sword.
I couldn't participate in the community organised arts and music gatherings which was unfortunate BUT I couldn't step foot in those venues either .
Either environments only inflicted an overwhelming addiction, to run a mile outdoors away from both.
I still can't be around either. But, at least I understand the medical or neurological reasons, for my own subversion to that.
Which was a medical based one, before it was a theological based one Jordan.
There are just certain sounds and audio that I cannot, and have little to no tolerance for.
Children noise isn't one fortunately.
But video games, pokie machines, and arcade games, make me drop , I "go down" like superman near crypto nite if it is 🤔 close proximity audio Jordan.
The pokies normalises, descensitized and minimised , privy to my weakness, "but this is what we like to do you need to get over yourself and stop being so sensitive" idiots, need to understand, that what they all "like to do" , is none of my business to even try and lay the narratives , their enabling self talk justifications, on me to start with, as Jordan ?
I don't care !
The point is.
It is none, of my business. Nor the business of my sector, or management of the CWA .
And "get over themselves, themself."
Or 🤔 GET A LIFE to use their own preferred cliche .
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Did you just have a stroke?
Why can’t believers heal the sick, raise the dead, cast out devils:
Most of the world has changed God’s word. They think Jesus is God and instead have forfeited their own salvation. This means God’s power and spirit does not dwell with them. Those who change God’s word live alone and will fall away. Jesus said life eternal is to know the only true God and himself (John 17:3). However, people refuse the words of God the Father through Jesus. They say and do whatsoever they want, even after Jesus said he does only what his Father has taught him. Jesus *can do NOTHING* without his Father (John 8:28).
The Father will never accept those who are against the words of Jesus. God said “this is my beloved Son, hear him” (Matthew 17:5).