Kia EV6 Battery Conditioning Update INITIAL TEST! 😀
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- Initial test of the new battery preconditioning update for my 2022 Kia EV6. This update allows the Kia EV6 to warm the battery pack right before getting to a level 3 DC Fast Charger to speed up the charging speeds when it's cold outside. In this video it's not cold, but the battery pack minimum temperature was colder than 69 degrees which means I was able to enable the battery conditioning in my EV6. We can see how much power is used to do the battery preconditioning, how long it takes to condition the EV6 battery pack, and I look at EV charging speeds and time at a 350 kW Electrify America charging station. Check out the video and let me know if you have any questions. Thanks for watching!
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Jeff, finally got battery preconditioning and parking brake emergency brake installed correctly. This is the first time does Kia dealer has ever done that so I took the information and then they followed it step-by-step this time and got it right. Thanks for all your information drove to the DC charger everything worked well and the brake is awesome. 👍🏾
Awesome I'm glad they got you taken care of!
Super helpful. New to to a gt-line. Had an i3 which was obviously antiquated, but brilliant when i got her. Sold a ICE stinger and the I3 and got the 6. Lots to learn as it does so much.
Thank you! 200 mile round trip tomorrow. Passing by a EA fast charger before heading home to see if the free EA works and how fast! Woooooo!!!
I'm glad it's helpful! Enjoy the car!
Great video, thanks! Impressive sustained charge speed on the EV6 under what I guess is "normal" temperature outside. Was it around 70 deg f.? Btw, I tought there was a heater icon when it was actually heating the battery, not a snow-flake icon. Did you get all the updates on the BMS?
Thanks! It was about 62 degrees outside based on the video. Regarding the icon, it depends on the year. The 2023+ have a different icon than the 2022. But yes I've had al updates completed.
Awsome thanks hey so question I've been messing with brights and I'm wondering if you can keep auto brights on all the time with auto lights? I always have to turn on auto brights after auto headlights turn on. Do you know if there is a way?
I wish there was lol. That's one of the things I want to. Let me know if you ever find a way!
4:32 the reason the EA would have previously been showing a different number for the charge is that it was using some of the charger’s electricity to get the batteries toasty (up to that 70°F / 21°C level) and not putting that amount in the battery itself. As you already preconditioned before getting to the chargers this time, the car lets the charger know that the batteries are already at optimal temperature, so the charger just delivers the DC straight to the battery cells.
The vehicle's dash gauges show the amount coming in before taking out the additional draws of power (electronics, hvac, battery care, etc). That's why it's typically more than the amount getting to the battery when you look at it in car scanner if you look at that field.
Your charging speeds are pretty much correct. Your state of charge was too high when you plugged in to get more than that. Arrive with 20% and you will rock that 230+ until at least 50%. Great video Jeff.
Hey Jonas - eh from what I've seen, it should have stayed a little higher a little longer. During a 150 kW charger test last year - th-cam.com/video/JZiwLxMt5NE/w-d-xo.html - I was able to stay at over 170 kW until about 60% and it stayed at just under 160 kW until about 75%. We'll see what happens in my next test.
@@TechnicallyJeff Yes, but your SOC were lower, 20% then. That impacts the voltage and current the car asks for. I've been running this update since October here in Sweden and I get different results every time. 🫣
So you're saying the starting SOC impacts what it pulls at 55%? Hmm. And yeah it's not going to be exactly the same, but it should be somewhat consistent lol. I will say, it seems the vehicle estimates for charge times are very accurate (when it says like 15 min to 80%, etc)
Jeff, do you if the EV6 allows to navigate with ABRP to a charging station and also enable battery preconditioning? Thank you!
I don't know offhand. I don't have ABRP premium so I haven't tested it with Android Auto.
Jeff sorry to ask but when you upgrade the navigation via usb port, is the car on, off, or accessory mode? Thanks
I keep the car on actually. But it's supposed to be able to be done in the background after the car is shut down. Personally I like to be able to keep an eye on it so I keep the car on.
What is the dongle you use to get all the data for the battery temperature etc and getting on the screen is another issue but which Odb item do u need and is it comparable with iPhone
For the obd2 I use a cheap Bluetooth adapter I got off Amazon several years ago. This looks like mine and works with iOS - amzn.to/3ogc0lY
When you used the nav did the preconditioning automatically engage to the next charger on the route?
I didn't have more than one in this test but it's supposed to
Does the update have the same issue as Hyundai Ioniq 5 where in Eco Mode the car is all of a sudden insanely slow and sluggish on acceleration? There was an update since then for the Ioniq5 to fix it, but I was just wondering if this update did the same thing or if its a non-issue before I go and get my car updated?
Nope no issue with the ev6 😀
Now that there is battery preconditioning, what is the best way to update the Kia EV6 navagation? Dealer is do it yourself? If do it yourself is the answer have you posted a video on how to perform the update? Thanks for Ioniq 6 navigation info I think I’ll wait for the upgrade rather than engineering mode.
Thanks
Definitely the best way to update the navigation and infotainment is doing it yourself. Check this video - th-cam.com/video/X62WHl9Rhdk/w-d-xo.html
Can you explain to me how I can see if the software for battery heating is active? My EV6 gt-line is from June 30, 2022. It is equipped with battery heating as standard, but the software was not yet completed at that time. In January 2023, the dealer still installed the update, or so they say. How can I see or control if this has happened?
Thank you for your answer.
Gr. from the Netherlands
The easiest way is to go into the EV settings and see if it says Winter Mode or Battery Preconditioning. If it says Winter Mode, it's not updated.
Okay, thank you for your answer.
Happy to help!
I noticed that in park your red emergency brake was on during charging. I saw a service update that made the car going e brake when parked. My car 2022 I have to activate the red parking/ e brake manually.
Check this out 😀 th-cam.com/video/MZO_gy_2Qbc/w-d-xo.html
Does this update have to be done at the dealership, or is it an “over the air” update?
This needs to be done at the dealer. Only infotainment can be done OTA
Jeff some Ioniq 5 owners stated that afyer battery preconditioning that the EV lost power in eco mode. Have you experienced that. I’m getting the upgrade tomorrow👍🏾
Nope, no issue at all with the EV6 😀 Hope it goes smoothly tomorrow!
How did you get the odb2 data on the ev6 screen?
Check out this video - th-cam.com/video/yUSJ6GuvTnA/w-d-xo.html
Jeff did you see an dig decerease in battery percentage when you turned on battery preconditioning prior to arrival at the dc charging station?
Hey I did not. The battery preconditioning doesn't actually use that much battery. Mine only needed to run for about 8 minutes. Even if it ran for a full 20 minutes pulling 5 kW the entire time to warm the battery, that's still only 1.67 kWh of energy which is around 2% of the battery pack.
@@TechnicallyJeff thanks👍🏾
No problem!
hi, how to display car scanner on this ev6 screen?
Hi I have it connected to this - th-cam.com/video/yUSJ6GuvTnA/w-d-xo.html
Jeff it would be interesting to see a "side by side" test. If conditions allow (two consecutive days with the same temp) to charge with and without preconditioning.
Yeah that would be ideal. Maybe I'll do that when it gets a little cooler.
Back at the end of March, I did a very cold (< 0C, ~20F), 550km (340 mile) necessary road trip in my EV6 and never got more than 40kw at any station either on the way or on the way back. At the time, in my exhaustion, I cursed the whole infrastructure and only realized afterwards that my battery could also have been the likely culprit. I'm going to get my update installed. Another great video as always Jeff!
Oh wow yeah the battery preconditioning update should definitely help a lot in those situations! 😃
@@TechnicallyJeff I think they key would be the same conditions as close as possible.
Yep I agree, including same charger
did you install the battery conditioning yourself? or the dealership did it for you?
It has to be installed by a dealership. Check this video - th-cam.com/video/MNOK80Iha_4/w-d-xo.html
What screen is that at the 2 minute mark showing on your dash?
I think you're talking about the one with the battery info. I'm running car scanner on my Tbox Plus. Check out this video - th-cam.com/video/yUSJ6GuvTnA/w-d-xo.html
@@TechnicallyJeff yes thank you!
@brianw8341 happy to help!
i got the PC also, but i like to have a manuel option to start PC. Now i have to use my NAV and i dont want that. I drive a lot without NAV because i know the way and like to choice my own HPC location random.
Yeah hopefully they add a manual option like the new EV9 has
@@TechnicallyJeff i didnt know the EV9 hacve one, so its could be possible
Yep I'm hopeful it's coming to the EV6
How do you display car scanner on the screen
Check this out - th-cam.com/video/yUSJ6GuvTnA/w-d-xo.html
Can you recommend an obd for car scanner and android
Hey James I've been using this for one several years - amzn.to/3mXoCOy - it works well and is pretty inexpensive
@@TechnicallyJeff Thanks for this Jeff
Happy to help!
Hi Jeff
I am picking up the obd today
Can you tell me how to start the obd an car scanner please, as I am nervous
Hey James, it's very easy. You should be able to plug it into the obd2 port, then connect to it on your phone with the password (should be provided, usually 1234 or something). Then you just open car scanner and select that as the bluetooth device. You'll need to select your vehicle in the list too. Try to follow the prompts in the app and let me know if you have any issues.
i saw the batt care only works down to about 20% soc? do you ever see 350 kw charging speeds ?
Yeah it won't precondition below 20% to save battery (since it uses some electricity to warm the battery). And no the EV6 doesn't have the ability to charge that fast. Previously Kia had advisted the max was about 235 kW, but it was determined the maximum in the E-GMP vehicles was actually about 240-242 kW. But now I charged at 247 kW, so possibly an update?
@@TechnicallyJeff ya looking at the ioniq 6 and hyundai website posts 350kw charging rate,,, never seen that on any vids thou
Yeah they aren't saying it has a 350 kW charging rate though. They're saying on a 350 kW charger it gets certain charge times.
@@TechnicallyJeff ya good way to cover their butts i guess lol
Haha yep, but definitely misleading. I hate when companies do that. They say it takes x amount of time on a 350 kW charger, but can't get that speed.
Car scanner is the unit is it expensive?
Check out this video, it's not expensive - th-cam.com/video/yUSJ6GuvTnA/w-d-xo.html
I remember my 24 Kwh Leaf would take 40-50 mins to get from around 16 Kwh on DC lol.
lol that's crazy
Our local dealer is refusing to do the battery precondition and e break update. We might have to try another dealer in the state. OEM manufactures are going to ruin the EV experience.
That's frustrating. I've heard that though. Some people have said they had to go to multiple dealers. Good luck 🤞
What is their reason?
A lot of times they say they can't find it or don't know how.
@@rocket1358
I guess they don’t get paid for those types of updates or something related to their process of getting compensation for the work from Kia. And on top of that they don’t know how to look up those updates on the system.
What's crazy is they do get paid for these updates. The TSBs include an amount of time they get paid for, like 0.3 hrs.
Nice to see that it doesn't have to be absolutely cold outside in order to see the battery preconditioning in action. I presume it's been verified/confirmed that the battery pack temp cannot be higher than 69 deg. F in order for battery preconditioning to trigger? Side note--"Technically Jeff" does have a better ring to it than "Technically Jeffrey"--LOL! 😉
Yep I agree. And yeah from what I've seen, 69 degrees is the cutoff. And good I'm glad I made the right choice 😅
Price over there seems ok for fast charging. Over here is about 0.78 euro cents per kWh, just ridiculous
Oh wow that is pretty high. Over here it varies, but generally around $0.40-0.50 from what I've seen.
FYI for clarity it is just battery conditioning, not “preconditioning”.
Yeah they call it "battery conditioning" in the settings. It preconditions the battery to accept higher charge rates though so it's known by both
Ugh I hate that you can't use multiple maps
Yeah same here
I set up an appointment at the KIA dealership I bought from but they refused to install this unless I have a letter directly from KIA w/my VIN saying I needed it. So frustrating. I'm going to check other KIA dealerships. 🫤
Your Kia dealer is completely uninformed. That's not how TSBs work. You should easily be able to tell them you have an issue (slow DC charging speeds) and show them the TSB. Kia doesn't send out letters for TSBs. I'm sorry man.