Kia EV6 rwd weekend away. Practicality and efficiency test. Good cold weather range (with no heater)
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My second EV6, this time a GT Line S that I’ve taken for the weekend because I need some practical duties carried out.
How is the EV6 rear wheel drive for real world cold weather range and efficiency compared to the dual motor?
How big is the boot?
How comfortable is the rear for 3 passengers?
How long will it need to charge for?
I don’t have any charging where I’m staying and it’s very cold so will this be a problem?
Well this is all stuff I wanted to find out but then we had a bit of a problem - the heater broke!
I had this on my first EV6 but was assured the software fixed it.
But now it’s happened again! 😡🥶
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It isn't just Kia, my new 2022 Tesla model Y had a defective heat pump in cold weather ( I live in Canada). Imagine driving in -25ºC with no heat or widescreen defroster. It was a design flaw. They replaced my heat pump with a new redesigned version and the car is as good as new. I still love the car and don't hold it against Tesla. Good on them for being innovators. I think it is the same for Kia and Hyundai. Innovation has glitches but they are leading the way. I would also like to thank you for the time you put into these videos, it is very much appreciated.
That happened to my 2021 Model Y. I can't believe that Tesla took over 2 years to fix this problem, it it is truly fixed. I do hold it against Tesla.
My EV6 is 2 weeks old. Have had all of these problems..and more. It's all over the forums and Kia still haven't fixed most things. Very pleased that a reviewer has finally flagged up some issues. Such a great car but let down by so many stupid software bugs.
More worrying that Kia gave you the car while obviously knowing there was a series of problems.
@@rogerstarkey5390 Not like Kia is the only, nor the first, to do so. That's just the industry standard.
My rule never buy 1st year of a new model. Best to buy 3rd year in.
@@timothysullivan7433 Good shout. Like..who bought Microsoft Windows Vista?
That’s why I will never buy a first generation model, Kia needs some time to work out the bugs. Especially since it’s all electric.
I'm sure the faulty heating must have helped with efficiency a little! Really appreciate your videos and real world testing of EVs, thanks!
I was about to say exactly the same thing. The HVAC system not working should have greatly helped the efficiency on that run. When you have the heating running on a Tesla, you definitely notice a range drop, even with the new heat pump models. I don't suspect it will be any different on the Kia.
Well done fella for doing this trip/review despite the heating issue. Real world tests are hard to come by in new vehicles so really appreciate your efforts here! 👍
what is this in metric
FYI, it appears that all EV6 made after late Sep are unaffected by the inverter issue (hardware). There is still software improvements ongoing to the heating logic. Heating works well in my GT Line with heatpump, however you have to get used to the heating being a ‘glow rather than a blow’ if that makes sense as the heating logic is different.
Great report and final round up.
I've had it for the weekend (same version) and truly loved it - it's quiet, fast (although a bit laggy when trying to push it e.g. for overtaking), with absolutely beautiful interior, esp. in the night, and overall a nice looking car. The boot could be bigger though in such a big car. One thing that surprised me was its size - it's quite bulky actually, not that easy to manoeuvre in the city centre or to fit in tight gateways. So before buying, a test drive is highly recommended.
Great real world video, I was just thinking about a fan heater in the 13amp socket as you said it!
Thanks for another great update video
Pretty common to have a brand new car made from ground up to have some issues, hope kia fixes them before I get my own In spring. Great video, love the real life tests/reviews
It is great to see more real world drives and finally see the EV6. Great to see that it was fixed in the end but bad for that trip. Didi the electrically heated seats and steering wheel still work?
Also interesting to see the real world range in cold weather. My E Niro gave me 215 miles, 3 Passengers and luggage for a 2 week trip. I had never left the car unused for two weeks so it was interesting to see mileagae on GOM had only dropped by 6 miles on our return. Shows how good the E Niro still is for range!
Thanks for keeping it real. Too many reviewers don't. Kia needs to listen and fix.
Appreciate the video especially the last few mins with info on the inverter. Picked mine up yesterday and no heater drop out as yet but the software update it came with was July last year so have downloaded the latest update but not applied yet….
Hope you will have a speedy recovery 🤞
I've had an EV6 since October, had car alarm and heater issues. Both well reported on forums. Car alarm sorted within a few weeks, new heating inverter being fitted on Monday to solve the heating problem. Not great that these things were missed on build but hopefully Kia are on it. I've actually had to resort to using a portable fan heater in the rear using the 3 pin plug!
I still love the car, lovely drive.
looks awesome in blue!
Hope you’re ok with the Covid. Loving the reviews, definitely my no1 TH-cam channel. I think this could turn in to something big for you if you wanted.
Thanks! Well we do our best with what we’ve got. Thanks for support and yes I’m starting to get better now so hopefully some more stuff coming soon..!
Great tip for the charging 👌
I have the rear wheel drive EV6 in blue, it’s been great so far. My heater works fine, a few bugs with the remote App, but nothing a software update should resolve. It’s a pity that you had problems because it takes away from all the positive aspects of the car. The 7 year warranty is unique and the car is great for the price. Great channel thanks for the review
Likewise, I took delivery of mine in November and I've had no real problems so far (touch wood). There are some bugs in the App for sure; it keeps reverting to km (I noted that happening on the charging display too) and the App doesn't report the charge state correctly. Nothing more than mildly annoying and as a software engineer I know full well that there will be new bugs along with the fixes in any update, so I'm not over anxious to do that. The heater takes about 5 minutes after the start of a journey to kick in, I'm not sure if that's related to the random operation, so I'll keep an eye on that. Thanks for the heads up, Richard, and thanks for a good series of videos.
Looks like it needs a 7 year warranty.
As compared to the Tesla 8 year warranty ? 😂
MG do 7 year warranty also 👍
An extended warranty certainly gives you peace of mind and it helps with resale value. I had a Kia Stinger before and it only lost £5k in 2.5 years and 26,000 miles which I thought was fantastic
I’ve been waiting for this
Going to test drive one tmrw. This video has really helped. Thank you...
But on a side note... no heat on a cold day is way worse than no aircon on a warm day.....esp when fam involved
Great real world video. Thanks. I was hoping you would have tried to fit the things you got in the EV6 boot into other cars though like you said you would at the beginning of the video.
Very informative thanks
I had a £1000 deposit on a EV6 GT S line with heat pump one of first to do so but got cold feet after Kia could not tell me what the true function of the heat pump was calling it a battery conditioner not a cabin heater along with reports of poor range for the battery size so I cancelled my order and ordered a Tesla Model 3 long range, after seeing this video I know I did the right thing Thank you
Good move...unless you like cheap plastic trim 😃
@@lockdownsim9681 I think the model 3 looks good dont tell me theEV6 has not got plastic and yes the EV6 is a stunning looking car but if the heat pump cant work and your forever charging looks do not matter
@@petersort2192 I sort of messed up my reply... I meant the EV6 and it's plastic trim. I've had a (China) T3 LR + boost for 7 months. 2 x long Euro trips from the UK. Couldn't be happier.
@@lockdownsim9681 Sin forgiven I love my model 3 ( black paint white seats ) but it could have been an ev6 but Kia could not get their act together and my model 3 was cheaper
@@petersort2192 Lucky you they didn't get their act together! I'm happy with the T3. Love the way it just works. Finally cut the Diesel cord - Sold my beautiful BMW M6 today...so now we are a pure EV household - 1 X T3 - 1 x BMW i3 .
Summer range: I am seeing 298 miles at 100% for now , UK spec GT Line with passengers with a 70/30 split of motorway and town driving. Wintertime 250 miles range with the same driving.
FYI, on their YT channel, Kia says that their battery temperature management system will maintain range down to 19 degrees Fahrenheit. Based on this, I was really surprised to see the range reduced so much. I am also somewhat dismayed the they use such a small lead acid battery like my older Kia Niro.
Thanks for another great informative video.
Watch the "Lemon tea leaf" (UK) and Bjørn reviews (Hyundai?) With the OBD scanner readings.
That battery management system is "spooky" to say the least, and not in "extreme" temperatures.
@@rogerstarkey5390 True....
Oh dear, and this was the car I was thinking of too!
Good video as usual Richard - interesting watching the different vehicles and the issues.
Excellent real world review. I have my eye on the EV6 which is coming to Canada in the spring. Obviously the heating issue is something Kia needs to resolve if they intend to sell this car in Canada.
Think it already is for models in production now, I also recently got an update from KIA Norway saying that they are working on an update for preconditioning of the battery when navigating to chargers.
Blimey, that’s a quick turnaround for someone
Hi Richard, regarding the auto Drive and undertaking. I have a Cupra Born and that has a similar system, it won’t allow an undertake unless, like you said you dip the accelerator, however, with it’s radar I have found that if the car you are following is undertaking, my car will follow it, I think this is designed to cater for filter lanes etc or when driving abroad. Great video.
Would be great if you can get hold of an e-berlingo for a test. Ideally the seven seater. It could be good for a mini camper and would value your opinion.
Funny how this heating failure isn't in the news like another EV manufacturer 👀. Absolutely the same issue, if not worse in the Kia, but absolute media silence... typical 🙃. What a great colour and a great looking car.
it's a little different when thousands and thousands of vehicles are affected and risk killing people in arctic climates, vs a car that's not even available for volume sale yet. Remember early model S motor failures? or the fact maintaining the door handles costs more than sponsoring a child in africa?
@@ThesaltyseafishOne is a large scale recall on production vehicles, the other is a firmware update on a production vehicle. Both bad, both possibly dangerous, and both should have the same media attention. Both Tesla and Kia have been mass producing EVs for a decade or so now; no excuses for these issues, but there’s also no excuse to target one manufacturer more.
So true
@@Thesaltyseafish
Hilarious.
(Stupid, but hilarious all the same)
@@rogerstarkey5390 i agree, but at the same time, he does have one point. The more people complain, the more attention it is going to get. There has been produced approx 25000-30000 EV6s thus far (since it's new of this year basically). while the production of model Y/3 was over 250 000 in 2021, most of which being model 3s. And if we include the whole Tesla range, around a million + teslas were sold 2021. Naturally, there will be more complaints and thus attention surrounding cars with a larger owner base than a car with 88-97% less people owning it.
Also helps that the Media gets more attention reporting on a more popular and reputable EV brand. It's like clickbait.
Great video.
Heard about the same inverter issue on the Ioniq 5. Unfortunately other owners who are not influencers didn't get the heater fixed that fast as the part had to be ordered from Korea.
I've had a ev6 gt line s rwd, for the past 9 months, no issues best car I've ever had. I noticed that when the car would not go into gear that the car was in accessory mode (you can tell by the battery light). You get out of accessory mode by pressing park and turning it off and on again.
Shocked to see reliability issues with Kia after having Kia's for the last 6 years. Thanks for pointing these issues out Simon.
I’m Richard! ha ha. No worries. I hate to moan, and don’t want to put people off, but it is what it is and Kia seem to be addressing it which is the main thing
@@RSEV Sorry Richard, will hit the subscribe button as I’ve seen a few videos of you and Matt from Carwow. Looks like I have a bot 🤖 following me. See the comment above or below this one. Will have to pop down to your dealership one day as I’m only up in Basingstoke.
Thanks for being honest Simon! Great informative video 👍
It is what it is, but I hope it doesn’t put anyone off.
Ps my name is Richard…
@@RSEV Great nom de guerre, Symon Richards! Thanks for the video, hope you are feeling better soon.
@@RSEV LOL 'Simon'
Cold car in winter is not ideal but glad to hear that Kia was on the ball with customer service. Why did you part ways with the GT-Line S 4wd? Like the look of the EV6 but I love my 2021 Model 3 Performance and wouldn’t trade it for anything else. Hope that you get better soon.
Lots of i-pace drivers considering the EV6 as a replacement as their 3 year leases start to come up. How does it compare to the Jag?
HI, Nice video. Yes please make a test of AWD vs. RWD range, consumption etc. Thank you. A
It would be interesting to compare how much more consumption does the AWD vs RWD !! Superb video Richard, greetings from Barcelona :)
Yes as I say it would be good to run side by side both models but in reality it’s not much difference. People should buy whichever one they want. 4wd if you want the speed or need the grip.
I think the 2wd is a bit more efficienct, same as Kia say, but maybe 10 miles per charge extra.
Most of the time the 4wd will be in 2wd anyway so it’s the extra weight.
Tesla used to quote the 4wd models as having the bigger range because of the extra regen.
@@RSEV Thanks so much Richard, I refered to the EV6 AWD & RWD. About Tesla I know it, 'cause we have one at home :)
I really appreciate the response !
Thanks for this. Do you know if these or similar issues are present on the Ioniq 5 as well (as I understand they are built on the same platform)?
What was the reason for swap and what did they go to ?
Nice video shame about the heater tho. Get well soon.
Same issue with my Ioniq 5 cannot select drive, usually after fast charge or if I have sat for any length of time stood still with the heating on but car off
Hey Richard... guess the main question is what did they part exchange this for? :😛...I'm guessing it begins with a 'T'?
The lane keeping issue is also to be found on Hyundai. I have the 2020 Ioniq and there is the switch to turns ALKS on/off, and there is also a system setting which the manual says the car remembers across journeys but it doesn't work - every time I switch the car on then ALKS is on - I find that annoying as I only use it on motorways. As a past motorcyclist i don't like using ALKS on country roads as it holds the centre of the lane and that's not the best way to handle tight bends on country roads.
As a regular visitor to Cobham... I was in hysterics!! 🤣🤣
😂💁♂️ those roads… 🤦♂️
Heater/Inverter issue on early cars is well known, in the media and particularly on owner forums. And the “other” brand is still suffering from a significant number of software and hardware issues a year after launch, with very long lead times (months) for replacement parts. Suggest it is why the previous owner part exchanged the car, so quickly after taking delivery. Presume the cars heater issues weren’t mentioned to you?
I got my EV6 RWD last October, in fact I was the first person to have an EV6 delivered by my dealer in Chester.
I knew something was definitely wrong when the heater was throwing out cold air despite being set at 27DegC whilst in Windermere last November with the car covered in snow !
I finally had the inverter replaced last week under warranty.
I haven't been able to establish yet that the hearing issue has been fixed as its been quite warm ambient. However, the range and efficiency has massively improved !!
I'm not sure if it's just because it's warmer and/or the replacement inverter is helping efficiency ??
Has anyone else noticed improved efficiency after the inverter upgrade.
Now I am getting Tesla efficiency.
I went to Stockport yesterday and despite proper motorway speeds pulled 4miles per kw !!
That's why you usually wait a year for all the kinks to be sorted out before buying a brand new model. Thhis applies to all brands, nothing against Kia, had a few and they were great cars
As an owner of two teslas I am not going to gloat as my model Y performance is currently in the shop because the heater stopped working. I know this car has a heat pump too and I wonder if a similar part is going on both cars
So the autopilot has an Audi mode. I've been lucky enough to own new a Tesla, Mercedes & Ford in the last 5 years. All had warranty issues in the first year. Worst was actually the Mercedes, front discs were replaced twice due to warping. My Focus RS needed head gasket replacing. Tesla needed multiple cameras replacing. Disappointing, but luckily all my dealer experiences were good.
Nice video,
Also your mumbling was funny.
Im stuck between Kia EV-6 and the Tesla model Y
The Tesla is also negatieve know for its problems with delivering, doors not flush, gaps, etc.
Now you have driven een Kia for the fun. Doing with a car what is made for, having fun ;-)
I have seen video about a year use of use of a model Y and al kinds of problems and it realy starteld me. A car of 70k so many thing warn out.....
Warrenty of a kia is 7 years...... Makes you think.
With all the positve and all the negatieve, warrenty, problems after driving it a while and problems with lack of final check before delivery. Time spend on fixing the problems al the dealer. What would you prefure and why.
Kind regards
Marc
Richard does the car not have heated seats? If so did they work when the heating stopped working?
Trick way of adding horsepower. Wonder if the Ioniq 5 has the same heater issue. Hope u r fully recovered.
Love to see a video of the Skoda Enyaq. Any plans on reviewing that car in the future?
I need to get hold of one. We’ve done the ID4 a couple of times and of course they’re basically the same. Skoda interior is nicer.
Hope you recover fast from covid 💪🏼 wich you the best
Thank you. Luckily after 3 jabs I’ve had it quite mild. Would be horrible or deadly to me otherwise (high risk as have asthma)
Just wait a few months or for the next model year. These are teething problems. The underlying quality of these cars is excellent.
in my kia eNiro, when I press "windshield defrost" button, it turns on PTC heaters and drains additional few kilowatts of power (up to 7kw altogether) but it gets crazy hot in like 2 minutes, wondering if it would work in your case without heat pump.
Great review. Wouldn't touch one with a barge pole. I will stick with my self charging Lexus hybrid.
The automatic range extension kicked in, because of the cold...(that is, the heater switches off)...
You took this in as part exchange?! They were only released a few months ago 😱
With the Hyundai Ioniq 5 having the same/similar parts, is that model struggling with the same faults/frustrations as the EV6?
Appreciate the real world videos. A great eye-opener and I hope the manufacturers are watching too!
Not based on the i5 forum. I haven’t had any of these problems. There are bugs - like some people can’t engage drive, some people are seeing their 12v battery drain. So far, touch wood, my i5 has been fine.
Great review. I'm thinking about getting one with sunroof but heard that it has low headroom. How tall are you and did you find this was an issue?
I’m 6ft and no issue for me. I think must last me and people seem to find it a problem
Great video thank you!. Never had the heating issues on my RWD GT Line EV6 thankfully, had my car delivered January 7th 2022 not sure on build date, everything works, preheat at -2C, rear windows defrost, front window defrost, mirrors heaters defrost , side windows defrost, heated wheel comes on, alarm not going off constantly, no issues really to report really, coming from an Audi A4 2019 Black Edition this EV6 car is much better, seeing 4.4-.4.5 KWH per mile in town, 3.2-3.5 on MWAY. Go to Kia get the software updates, update the Maps and software in car yourself, hopefully you won't need a hardware fix. if you do, they are coming or have arrived for some, problems fixed. For the mode where it won't go into gear, zombie mode some call it?? Kia said to me, you NEED to have your foot on the brake then start the car and out it into a gear, the issue has never returned for me where you cannot select a gear after doing so. Either foot on brake when starting our coming from accessory mode. Kia are changing this logic I have been told in a software update coming end of January and another big update in spring 2022.
Great video, would you say ev6 is a quieter drive than the MY & more comfortable (I know it's cooler 😁)
Does this model has a heat pump?
The issue with the heating invertors have started to be changed out by Kia now.
Just got my earth model and yes, heater not working properly, engaging drive & reverse has acted up twice, on 100% charged the reading for distance read only 366 kms, that's kms, so booked in for these problems to be hopefully
Sorry, pressed wrong button, just saying car to be checked and I meant klms 🙄. Love the car otherwise
Another great video, thank you.. I very nearly ordered one of these, but decided to order a Tesla model 3 LR instead
I think when Im looking for my next car i'll be watching these real world reviews instead of the ones by the main car channels lol
A 71 plate Kia EV6 in px? What did they buy?
Hi Tech usually comes with Hi problems., wait till it get's older!
Get well soon mate
Well done for dodging Covid for so long....Get well soon...!!
Hello mate 👍
Ironically, I have the RWD version of the Ioniq 5 which doesn't have a heat pump and get great heat. My range plummets when I turn it on, but I am nice and toasty fast charging next to the AWD version of the car at the same fast charging site.
Interesting why a brand new EV6 is traded in !
Have you had any EV6s since this one which have been better?
Wich accupack do you drive the Ev6?
Is this model with or without a heat pump? .. Or isn't that relevant to the issue?
My heating was dodgy but software update done and it seems to be sorted now, but I need to bring it in the dealer to get 2 more software updates and new inverter.
Yes that’s my main point really, I don’t think just software is good enough. Push for that inverter which hopefully will be the permanent fix.
@@RSEV I saw a german video where they had to switch off AC and then heating worked…
I'm really interested in this vehicle and am looking forward to test driving one when they finally get here to the US. When you were on the highway how fast were you going? I typically hang out around 75mph so I'm wondering how much that would impact the range. I'm in phoenix so it's almost always either warm or blazing hot here
70mph (when clear enough to do so!)
75 but warm you should see 250 miles
I’m in phx too. Hi neighbor!
@@AyeBeeG you should check out some of the local dealerships because there are several Ev6's here now. I test drove one this past weekend
That's terrible that you had to deal with no heat in a car. I could hear my wife's voice in both ear canals complaining how cold it is. lol. I hope this gets resolved on this ONE visit and not have to return to have the heater tweaked again. Be well.
Hi you say you took the Kia in part exchange. Why have the person traded this car so soon you can’t get one for months new. I had to have a heater element replaced in my Kia e Niro which the part cost £3500. Thank god for the warranty.
Does this version have the optional heat pump. I know they are not as standard in the Uk.
Yes this was heat pump fitted
Hi just picking up on the old post. I have now had two EV6 one back in October one of the first and after four days had a flat 12v battery that couldn’t be diagnosed where the phantom drain was. Long story short rejected car new one turned up in April just as they fixed the old one it was the fly by wire gear selector!! Now the new one four weeks of driving has had a failed evaporator as no ac. You would think Kia would presume test critical components before fitting them!! So four to five week back order with the whole dashboard in pieces in the boot. Is it realistic to pay £50k for a flagship car that in two models has had to have major rebuilds. Would you reject it again - also heating issue not fixed.
Fee your pain…. If you like the car stick with it. Kia did help me out pretty quickly in the end once I insisted not to fob me off with software updates to try and fix heating.
Great work.... I think I'll wait a few years to let the bugs get worked out and battery technology to enhance a bit more. Cheers!
If the inverter is made before/after a certain date, it might not need replacing. My heating issues were fixed with just dealer software updates, and when I asked about the inverter they said that it’s particular model number wasn’t affected.
Also, to avoid lockups (referred to as “zombie mode” in owners groups), keep your foot on the brake as you start the car.
I'm also watching this from Canada and it was -32C here this morning so that would rule out using the car at all without a fix. Curious to know if that actually was the fix?
😳 wow yes heater so vital. Annoying they seem so difficult to get right! I can’t remember the last time a basic hairdryer just wouldn’t work.I know they’re rosining for efficiency but a basic backup perhaps.
I’d love to experience such temperatures and how that is to live with. EV v combustion. Trying to start conventional cars etc.
Can I visit one day? 😁
Here in the US, RWD GT Line is EPA certified with 300+ miles fully charged. Wonder why yours said 220 miles with 95% charged? Smaller battery?
Worked out to longer range so probably based on the fact it had probably been factory reset when came in and then shuffled around our unit so it estimated range so low. After stopping to eat the range pro-rata’d to more
Smaller battery option
Moral of story, any other sub 6 month old EV part exes trade to another dealer. You've 2 or 3 similar Model 3's that seemingly been faultless. At least Taycan been reliable.
Ehh...My Boss is having a shedload of issues with his Taycan - For example, drivers window motor failure, unfortunately in the down position...He borrowed my Tesla for a trip last week and I drove home with some plastic sheeting and some Gorilla tape...
@@lockdownsim9681 With air con being standard on nearly all cars I couldn't tell you last time opened a window apart from to fold passenger mirror in on my Yaris.
@@alexdalgleish1061 Bit of a pain at a drive through...
Anyone else disappointed Richard's not taking the Evo?😉😂
Normally turning off and on again resolves issues rather than creating them.
Kinda like Microsoft Windows....
@@jm9371 That's why I own a Mac & a Tesla 🤓
Hi, if you drive in Europe with your car, can you switch to metric system? To show km and km/hr? Do you know if Tesla will update their system to cater to both?
They can all switch between miles and km
Tesla certainly has since they arrived here in 2014
@@RSEV thanks for clearing that up! I was told you can’t switch between mph and km/hr! I live in Malaysia where Tesla does not have an official presence so I had to buy from a grey importer. The car will be from UK do I was worried that it’ll all be in mph and miles as stated by some members of a chat group I’m with. By the way, I really enjoy watching your videos. Very informative and well made
Did he say its quite warm at 10 degrees? ;p
Imagine the bad press if those issues were on a Tesla. Both the EV6 and Ioniq 5 seem to be experiencing multiple issues. So glad I cancelled my pre-order for the Ioniq 5, Model 3 has been flawless and improves with updates.
Great Car! Better than every Volkswagen ID.x Crap!