That's a good idea, however it's not going to be particularly pleasant at peak times when people are stood/sitting in that area. They'll be freezing or baking, as I can only presume there is no separate heater or AC unit for such a small area.
@@ce9934 But that's the case with any trains, it's gonna be cold near the doors. At least with this system the cold is not gonna spread as much to people who are sitting down and the heating/ventilating system can work more efficiently.
@@lore3098 Yes, definitely. Overall it's a positive step, however there will just be poor air circulation in the summer especially when the train has a fair distance to the next stop - like between Liverpool St and Colchester.
@@tommercer1406 It's a sliding door. I've sat through the bloody fire safety training at work enough times to know that can't be a fire door (could I tell you where the fire extinguishers are though? Urrrm...). The less automatic doors the better in an emergency as well! This is definitely air conditioning efficiency (no opening windows, obvs) rather than safety design.
I'm not a wheelchair user but I do have to use a Rollator, which my family call my pushchair, to let me walk without falling over. I found out on Saturday that it won't go through the corridor connection on a class 377. There is just about an inch less space than is needed.
Anyone else fed up with the new 'ironing board' style seats in all the new trains now? ... they are ok for commuter routes in London or short distance, but not suitable for longer distance routes. People are paying so much for a ticket now, and they should expect to get a comfortable seat included in this very high price.
@@robtyman4281 I'm trying to work out if it's due to the padding being so thin or them being so ergonomically poor. Travel Euston to Glasgow on a pendolino- the seats are as bad- you can't get to sleep in them, like you would on a MK3 or a National Express coach or even the passenger seat of a car.
I was on it on my trip from Norwich down to London... As a visitor from Hong Kong, I'm so lucky to be on this train :P A really modern and comfortable experience
I travelled on an HST between Leicester and Nottingham last week. The (youngish and foreign) passenger in front of me thought I was doing it as a joke when I reached out of the window to operate the handle.
had that travelling into derby a couple looking for the button I've neever been so smug leanging through & opening the door. then walking down the platform I opened the door from the outside for mmore myistified passengers.
I travel between Nottingham and London every week and find it quite alarming that people just stand looking at the doors even though there are signs clearly telling people to lean out to open the doors. Its not just the young people or foreign travellers either.
@@OneKnifeYeHand I vaguely remember there was a spate of people falling out of HSTs in the 80s or 90s. Locks were eventually fitted to prevent opening the doors while moving. Imagine being able to open from the inside at full speed.
@@stephenc6648 that why virtually everyone else in europe uses mechanicaly interlocked inner handles since the mid of the 50s - train moves greater than x (generally around 7 km/h) -> inner doorhandly is mechanically disconnected from the lock itself. Only the UK is doing it's own thing (again :P)
for a future video with Dominic, would be interesting to see from his perspective what other able-bodied passengers can do to not be an inconvenience. The kind of things that we dont really consider (apart from the obvious standing in wheelchair spaces etc)
I live nearly of STADLER's hedquarter and factory (thurgau Switzerland) and saw these trains many times on track - maybe waiting for test drive oder delivering. Nice to see them in Service now!
Twenty years ago, I used to live for a while out in East Anglia. I sure do miss those old trains rattling and rolling all the way out to Norwich. "A Fine City".
Stadler just won the Tyne and Wear Metro contract too, 42 new trains they'll be making:) Got to say, I'm more and more impressed by Stadler the more I see their trains. Going to be interesting to see what the Class 777 will be like, given that'll probably be the best "preview" of the new TWM fleet :)
In the rest of the world it's very common for there not to be a close door buttons. The door is either closed automatically after a certain amount of time or the driver closes them. These are also part of the Flirt fleet by Stadler. Because of that I've noticed all sorts of little details that are common across the world in these trains for example, the emergency alarms look like the ones from Germany.
Thank you Geoff for the visibility you give to accessibility issues. It's truly commendable. Please do keep up the good work! Accessibility and the lack of it are a *choice*. We can choose to be better.
I'm guessing that the compartment doors are positioned in that way in response to the removal of passenger door closing. In this arrangement the compartment doors can reduce heat lost when sitting at a station on in the cold.
from the time the door stops moving to the tome the door starts to close (not the beep, door starts to move) is exactly 10 seconds, i timed it, and its not that much. also the /1 doesnt have the doors
As someone who has become disabled later on in life, the challenges are massive in all walks of life ( pun intended) and it is refreshing to see this approach being taken of getting a wheelchair user in at the beginning. Look forward to more on the subject. (incidentally, I was on a maiden voyage of a 125 from Waverly Edinburgh to Kings X back in the seventies.)
Very big thumbs up for this one. Especially for that accessibility bit/part. And a big thumps up for making a special railway accessibility video some time in the future.
Stadler trains everywhere . Here in Italy we know these products since 2005, when the scenic railway Merano-Malles Venosta was reopened after long time and completely renewed . Stadler trains gave a strong contribution to the success of this operation and every year more than 1.7 milion passengers step on an electro-diesel GTW ( many with bikes ) : they are smooth , comfortable , spacious , easy to access , perfect to enjoy the marvelous panorama the line pass through . Year after year , the flot of operating Stadler trains in Italy became greater and greater and till now 12 companies have bought from Stadler ( one of them , Raethian Railway , better known as RatischeBahn ) , uses narrow gauge Stadler Allegra on the Tirano Lombardy - St. Moritz Switzerland line starting from an altitude of 300 meters above sea level and reaching a top altitude of more than 2.200 meters above sea level without using rack .
Another great video - thanks for that. Good to see the class 37's at the end which until recently worked some of the schedule to Great Yarmouth and Lowestoft until the new trains arrived. They were old, noisy and dirty - which in my books makes them infinitely better than whatever new trains are running there now. There are still a couple of class 37's each day running from Cardiff Central to Rhymney so they're still (just about) in scheduled passenger service over 55 years after they were build!
It's nice to see more Stadler trains making their new home in the UK, though I now these IC units have had some technical issues during the commissioning phase. As always, your format of doing these films is fun, laid back and informative. Thnx!
@@allenwilliams1306 There are several lines in the Greater Wellington & Auckland areas, and as for the South Island, there are the Tranz Alpine & Coastal Pacific lines.
Hello There, a great video that's well produced Geoff, they seem to have done well with the new interior and overall design of these news trains. Keep up the good work, I will miss seeing the Class 90 MK3 Sets in service. Cheers Peter :)
Reason they are comfortable trains is because they are Swiss built ! Swiss rail comfort and stock must be one of the best in the world !! Well done Greater Anglia for keeping the buffet / Bistro ! Nice vid
My! How B.R. Eastern region trains have changed since I used to commute to Liverpool St in the late 70's to mid 80's! Have to say Liverpool St used to be a more interesting place with 31, 37 and 47 being the main mode of locomotive power on the express runs. Enjoyed the video - keep up the good work Geoff!
Geoff, that train at 12:25 was 37401 Mary Queen of Scots, which was the same one that you saw in your Lancaster to Newcastle All the Stations video 2 1/2 years earlier!
sad to see the old ones go, they were obviously well past it but i love the slam doors and abililty to feel some breeze out of the window, but many fond memories of travelling to/from university, the older grottier trains indicating I was almost home
It's great to see disability taken into account during the design of a train. Recently, Amtrak tried to enforce a policy that wheelchair users would have to pay for seats to be removed to accommodate them. Amtrak ended up only charging the regular fare but haven't stated what their new policy is.
EssexLad 8919 Pretty sure it was a 745 because I was surprised to see it. Might have been on a sort of test as it was only stopping at a few larger stations
@@paulhowell5011 Couldn't have been a 745 unless they have electrified Norwich to Ely on the quiet. 755s look similar but are shorter (3 or 4 cars) and have a growly bit in the middle
Not many people get emotional/excited/nostalgic (choose a word or insert your own) using a train slam-door but I sort of understand. Good video and nice train.
Really looking forward to a video or series on accessibility across different modes (DLR, tube, purple train etc), would also be great if Dominic could advise what able bodied people could do to help make accessibility better (what help, when and where or simple courtesy guidelines)
Brilliant video report, thanks very much Geoff; interesting to have input from Dominic Lund-Conlon included. On the accessibility front, anything that can make it safer trying to overcome the dreaded "gap between the platform and the train" (with suitcases/pushchairs/toddlers/older friends who walk with a stick) is greatly appreciated. On some mainline train timetables, there can be literally only 1 minute for passengers with accessibility issues to board the train, I find it stressful to say the least.
Queensland Rail has portable ramps on the platforms that can be used to remove the gap as they also suffer from a huge height different at some stations. It can be up to 30 cm difference!
I agree, the seats are on these are nice, they sit higher too, so your knees don't bend, I travelled on my first Stadler 745 yesterday and had a look at the emergency window opening procedure, they need a key which is in a box, Geoff had a key box behind him in the First class clip. A close the door inside button is more crucial on the class 312 & 360 as they open straight into the carriage and any warmth escapes, I often get up and close the doors if it's a freezing day.
Rode one last week. Not keen on the plug between the seats also the heating vents down low in the corners encroach on where I want to put my legs. Nice trains though and I got given a free multi port retractable USB cable as a freebie.
Ever wondered why you don't see phased-out Pacers arriving at breakers yards ? They're quietly kept in storage just in case operators run out of class 37's ...
those 37's (DRS) have nothing to do with greater anglia there just there for storage and occasional use like the recent snow plough testing... only 37 611 and 37 800 (Rail Operations Group) are responsible for dealing with failed flirts with one based at norwich (37 800) and another at ipswich (37 611)
the new Stadler 777's for Merseyrail have open buttons on the doors but no close button, it's because people abused them so they've stopped adding close buttons.
ive timed it, on class 745/0 from the doors fully open to the doors starting to close is 10 seconds and 6 milliseconds. of course ots open for slightly longer as the door is moving
This new operation is not especially weird. The service you are talking about is not the return of class 90 haulage to the inter city TOC on the line (now Avanti West Coast) but a relatively limited (five committed return paths a day, with a possibility of a sixth path) by an open access operator, Grand Central. Like most open access operations, you would expect them to use stock that was available and could be refurbished at minimal cost. Using some of the mark 4 stock going off lease with LNER makes sense, as it is much less work to make it PRM TSI compliant than mark 3 stock. Grand Central were going to use class 91 haulage, but decided to avoid a small fleet of a type non-standard to them as well as the risks of continuing to operate the high mileage class 91 locos, so opted for class 90 haulage. Class 90s were already route cleared for the entire Euston to Blackpool route, whilst I am not sure the same was true for the class 91 - if choosing class 90 saved on the hassle of obtaining route clearance, that was a further benefit of selection class 90 traction.
I saw one of these new trains trundling through Ilford Station yesterday evening. Looked very swish!! Incidentally, the main entrance/ticket hall at Ilford Station is now being rebuilt, so access to the station is via a new side entrance on Platform 1 or the previously existing side exit onto York Road at the north-western end of the station. Looks like it's a nightmare for those in wheelchairs or with childrens' buggies until the work is completed.
aww good ol chelmsford station. one of the busiest 2 platform stations in the country. (wont be when Beaulieu station is built [insert time in the future that will never arrive]) chelmsford station 1/2 of my daily commute - can't say i wont miss you
I’ll miss the 90s... but NOT THE STUPID VESTIBULE DOORS THAT NEVER OPEN WHEN YOU STAND NEAR THEM BUT DO RANDOMLY WHEN YOU DONT WANT THEM TOO! I love a 90...
If the East Coast Mainline is the main line that runs up to Newcastle, then what is the East coast mainline called, that follows the East coast to Norwich ? (3:46 Ah, Great Eastern Mainline) I think Liverpool Street - Norwich had Class 47s before the Class 90s.
The current PRM TSI derogations for the incoming ex-LNER HST stock runs on 31 December 2020 (the derogations for some of their existing HST stock runs out in July, at which point those trailers are expected to be scrapped). However, with the cancellation of the full MML electrification scheme and the consequential delay to any new stock, the government left the MML in a mess. I'm not up with the latest situation on new MML stock that was ordered from Hitachi next year, but even at contract announcement a date of 2022 was mentioned and there is always the possibility of that slipping. I think it very likely that there will be further derogations on the MML beyond the end of 2020. It isn't economic to make the MML HSTs PRM TSI compliant and fit retention tank toilets when the stock is only needed for around another three years, after which it may well find no further use and be scrapped. Meanwhile, it is difficult to see where any cascadable 125mph diesel or bi mode stock will come from to fill in until the new Hitachi trains are available. It is likely the MML will be the last line where there will be widespread 'classic' HST operation with full length rakes and slam doors. GWR have ended their 'classic' HST operation, LNER have stopped running HSTs entirely and Hull Trains returned the two HST sets they were hiring from GWR in 2019. There is a small HST fleet at CrossCountry in passenger service, together with the short rakes operated by GWR and ScotRail. All of this stock will eventually be refurbished for PRM TSI compliance, losing the slam doors in the process. Delays to these refurbishments mean it is just possible that the last HST slam door operation will not be on the MML, though I doubt this will be the case.
Just the kit for an outer suburban service: harder seats and more vertical than before, double entry doors to reduce platform dwell times, tip-up seats for commuters inside the door lobbies, less pliant suspension and narrow tables to encourage Geoff to rotate 180 degrees. Nothing about noise , harshness and vibration, public address systems or lighting. I look forward to the second edition.
Roger Hudson it makes the train more crashworthy so when the train derails there is a much much less chance of the coaches jackknifing and also if it details it won’t be as severe as the coaches have shared bogies, so either the train is all upright or the train is all on its side...
Geoff, please do the video with Dominic Lund-Conlon as quickly as possible. As I work with visually impaired patrons, I would be quite interested in seeing how rail services in Britain are coping with disabilities.
I hope you definitely do a video on the accessibility of the trains. It would be very interesting for sure it may also help the accessible community find out something they did not know.
Goodbye old trains, the mk3 coaches I liked, especially first class, but the ride could be bumpy and yes the squeaky vestibule could be annoying if you were sitting right by it with the the door open. Good info about the new seats, but what are the class 745 standard class seats like?
Looks like a nice train. I will look forward to your episode with the disability guy. Having become a person with "hidden" disabilities, namely impacted disks and arthritis, it is a subject which is of some interest. Not being able to bend easily or grip onto things can make getting in and out seats difficult. And negotiating stations can be a real adventure!
Hey ! Just wanted to comment on something you said about the doors. I have traveled all over the Netherlands, Switzerland, Germany, and Austria primarily by train and I cannot remember ever seeing a train with a "close door button". Maybe it is a brit thing, I haven't been in a British train ever, but at least in the countries I mentioned there's no such thing, or at least it is not as common. Usually the doors are manually closed by the driver from the cab for safety.
On British trains the doors are closed by the driver but can be closed beforehand by passengers. It is useful if there is a cold wind so you don't have to wait until the train departs. On the new Crossrail trains there are no door closing buttons but the doors only stay open a few seconds then close automatically.
Geoff said there were no rest rooms/toilets area in the first class cars, that the rest rooms/toilets accessible areas and bicycle areas are in the standard class cars. Dominic said he recommended that the accessible area not have the folded seats of the bicycle area. So this train has both in the standard class cars, not in the first class cars. For a handicap person their MY class seats is their wheelchair. Those in wheelchairs would rather be adjacent to a accessible rest room/toilets than be in first class with a rest room or toilets.
Normally I'm a big fan of new stock but have to say I'm gonna miss the old trains - lots of memories of traveling up to Norwich on them to visit the grandparents.
Slight update, Geoff, not sure you are aware. You rode in a Class 745/0. Greater Anglia has now brought out a Class 745/1 for Stansted Express. Also 12 car EMU, but sadly no 1st Class and no Bistro / Café Car. I agree with you on the seats. Better than Class 700 Thameslink and Class 800 LNER. Found the slope / unexpected step (from the vestibule to the seating area) a slight trip hazard. Managed to headbutt the overhead luggage rack !
Normally inter-city trains have single doors at the ends of the coaches, and toilets are in the vestibule areas. So I wonder what motivated the decision to have doors in the middle and fewer loos
Hello Geoff. Now that Northern Rail is to be taken back and Nationalised I would suggest that YOU are the person most qualified to get it working properly. With your knowledge and understanding of how timetables and connections work you are ideal. If they are seeking an advisor I really think you should apply for the job.
The reason they don’t have door close buttons is because there are sensors in the doors where if nobody uses them, after a short interval they automatically close to preserve heat/air conditioning.
3:17 - I don't know what typeface that is, but the kerning is awful! There's barely any space between the characters "Th", "rv" and "rw"... they might as well be ligatures! Yes, I'm being fussy, but when you consider the use of Johnston on the London Underground being so well done, this stands out like a sore thumb! (I like typography has much as Geoff likes the railways 😉)
I don't know, I like the font - it's very clear to read, and I don't kind ligatures. And honestly, despite being not much space between the borders of rv, it still looks super far apart, simply because of the shape of the letters. If anything, I'd moved them a pixel closer
The doors are probably placed there to limit the amount of cold/warm air getting into the carriages with the doors open
That's a good idea, however it's not going to be particularly pleasant at peak times when people are stood/sitting in that area. They'll be freezing or baking, as I can only presume there is no separate heater or AC unit for such a small area.
@@ce9934 But that's the case with any trains, it's gonna be cold near the doors. At least with this system the cold is not gonna spread as much to people who are sitting down and the heating/ventilating system can work more efficiently.
@@lore3098 Yes, definitely. Overall it's a positive step, however there will just be poor air circulation in the summer especially when the train has a fair distance to the next stop - like between Liverpool St and Colchester.
I thought it would be fire safety
@@tommercer1406 It's a sliding door. I've sat through the bloody fire safety training at work enough times to know that can't be a fire door (could I tell you where the fire extinguishers are though? Urrrm...). The less automatic doors the better in an emergency as well! This is definitely air conditioning efficiency (no opening windows, obvs) rather than safety design.
Absolutely should do a vid about accessibility. Would be super interesting for the abled bodied of us to provide a new perspective
And the floor looks cleaner and more spacious for when you want to do a photo op.
And useful for those of us not able bodied to try and encourage us onto the trains
Especially if Geoff got to borrow a wheel-chair he too to try to follow the companion.
I agree 100%
I'm not a wheelchair user but I do have to use a Rollator, which my family call my pushchair, to let me walk without falling over. I found out on Saturday that it won't go through the corridor connection on a class 377. There is just about an inch less space than is needed.
I'm way too self conscious to film inside trains so more power to you Geoff for overcoming that.
Going to miss the 90 sets to Norwich! Forget the doors it’s all about the proper squishy seats for me!
No the doors are what makes them special. The seats are good, but the doors are better.
MK3 seats are so comfy! and fiddling with the door handles was a part of the fun of a train ride!
Anyone else fed up with the new 'ironing board' style seats in all the new trains now? ... they are ok for commuter routes in London or short distance, but not suitable for longer distance routes. People are paying so much for a ticket now, and they should expect to get a comfortable seat included in this very high price.
@@robtyman4281 I'm trying to work out if it's due to the padding being so thin or them being so ergonomically poor. Travel Euston to Glasgow on a pendolino- the seats are as bad- you can't get to sleep in them, like you would on a MK3 or a National Express coach or even the passenger seat of a car.
I used them on the Manchester to London Euston line
I was on it on my trip from Norwich down to London... As a visitor from Hong Kong, I'm so lucky to be on this train :P
A really modern and comfortable experience
Nice! Do Hong Kong have different experience trains?
And the high speed bullet train to Beijing...
Stephen Harris ...is Chinese.
I travelled on an HST between Leicester and Nottingham last week. The (youngish and foreign) passenger in front of me thought I was doing it as a joke when I reached out of the window to operate the handle.
had that travelling into derby a couple looking for the button I've neever been so smug leanging through & opening the door. then walking down the platform I opened the door from the outside for mmore myistified passengers.
I travel between Nottingham and London every week and find it quite alarming that people just stand looking at the doors even though there are signs clearly telling people to lean out to open the doors. Its not just the young people or foreign travellers either.
It’s people like that who ruin it for all us slam door lovers
@@OneKnifeYeHand I vaguely remember there was a spate of people falling out of HSTs in the 80s or 90s. Locks were eventually fitted to prevent opening the doors while moving. Imagine being able to open from the inside at full speed.
@@stephenc6648 that why virtually everyone else in europe uses mechanicaly interlocked inner handles since the mid of the 50s - train moves greater than x (generally around 7 km/h) -> inner doorhandly is mechanically disconnected from the lock itself. Only the UK is doing it's own thing (again :P)
I absolutely love you videos.Left London 7 years ago to move to Barcelona and when I miss it I watch your videos to give me a taste of home.
for a future video with Dominic, would be interesting to see from his perspective what other able-bodied passengers can do to not be an inconvenience. The kind of things that we dont really consider (apart from the obvious standing in wheelchair spaces etc)
I live nearly of STADLER's hedquarter and factory (thurgau Switzerland) and saw these trains many times on track - maybe waiting for test drive oder delivering. Nice to see them in Service now!
Favourite new trains by far! Love these, very happy to see them still being rolled out!
Twenty years ago, I used to live for a while out in East Anglia. I sure do miss those old trains rattling and rolling all the way out to Norwich. "A Fine City".
Thanks for the bit about accessibility. Looking forward to the in-depth episode.
Stadler just won the Tyne and Wear Metro contract too, 42 new trains they'll be making:)
Got to say, I'm more and more impressed by Stadler the more I see their trains. Going to be interesting to see what the Class 777 will be like, given that'll probably be the best "preview" of the new TWM fleet :)
In the rest of the world it's very common for there not to be a close door buttons. The door is either closed automatically after a certain amount of time or the driver closes them. These are also part of the Flirt fleet by Stadler. Because of that I've noticed all sorts of little details that are common across the world in these trains for example, the emergency alarms look like the ones from Germany.
Thank you Geoff for the visibility you give to accessibility issues. It's truly commendable. Please do keep up the good work! Accessibility and the lack of it are a *choice*. We can choose to be better.
I'm guessing that the compartment doors are positioned in that way in response to the removal of passenger door closing. In this arrangement the compartment doors can reduce heat lost when sitting at a station on in the cold.
The doors actually close pretty quickly automatically when they are unobstructed, no door close button needed.
from the time the door stops moving to the tome the door starts to close (not the beep, door starts to move) is exactly 10 seconds, i timed it, and its not that much. also the /1 doesnt have the doors
As someone who has become disabled later on in life, the challenges are massive in all walks of life ( pun intended) and it is refreshing to see this approach being taken of getting a wheelchair user in at the beginning. Look forward to more on the subject. (incidentally, I was on a maiden voyage of a 125 from Waverly Edinburgh to Kings X back in the seventies.)
Very big thumbs up for this one. Especially for that accessibility bit/part. And a big thumps up for making a special railway accessibility video some time in the future.
Was on the Stansted Express the other day… fantastic train.
Stadler trains everywhere . Here in Italy we know these products since 2005, when the scenic railway Merano-Malles Venosta was reopened after long time and completely renewed . Stadler trains gave a strong contribution to the success of this operation and every year more than 1.7 milion passengers step on an electro-diesel GTW ( many with bikes ) : they are smooth , comfortable , spacious , easy to access , perfect to enjoy the marvelous panorama the line pass through . Year after year , the flot of operating Stadler trains in Italy became greater and greater and till now 12 companies have bought from Stadler ( one of them , Raethian Railway , better known as RatischeBahn ) , uses narrow gauge Stadler Allegra on the Tirano Lombardy - St. Moritz Switzerland line starting from an altitude of 300 meters above sea level and reaching a top altitude of more than 2.200 meters above sea level without using rack .
Another great video - thanks for that. Good to see the class 37's at the end which until recently worked some of the schedule to Great Yarmouth and Lowestoft until the new trains arrived. They were old, noisy and dirty - which in my books makes them infinitely better than whatever new trains are running there now. There are still a couple of class 37's each day running from Cardiff Central to Rhymney so they're still (just about) in scheduled passenger service over 55 years after they were build!
It's nice to see more Stadler trains making their new home in the UK, though I now these IC units have had some technical issues during the commissioning phase. As always, your format of doing these films is fun, laid back and informative. Thnx!
My four-year-old is fast becoming a fan of your channel (we live in NZ maybe so there is a future "Geoff Marshall" being trained up for NZ rail)
The state of NZ Rail is embarrassing in comparison. 😕
I didn't know there were any trains n NZ - South Island, any way.
@@allenwilliams1306 There are several lines in the Greater Wellington & Auckland areas, and as for the South Island, there are the Tranz Alpine & Coastal Pacific lines.
@@nigelchristensen7001 Then why does everyone fly?
Twenty twenty! Hurrah!
You're the best Geoff.
The name’s 745. Class 745
An inter-city train with loads of space and spare seats - brilliant!
Hello There, a great video that's well produced Geoff, they seem to have done well with the new interior and overall design of these news trains. Keep up the good work, I will miss seeing the Class 90 MK3 Sets in service. Cheers Peter :)
Unit 007, License to Flirt?
Fen Line Instant Response Team...
Bond train.
Best bit was the Growler.
Thanks Geoff.
Reason they are comfortable trains is because they are Swiss built ! Swiss rail comfort and stock must be one of the best in the world !! Well done Greater Anglia for keeping the buffet / Bistro ! Nice vid
I am totally looking forward to the accessability video!! go Geoff!
My! How B.R. Eastern region trains have changed since I used
to commute to Liverpool St in the late 70's to mid 80's! Have to say
Liverpool St used to be a more interesting place with 31, 37 and 47 being the main mode of locomotive power on the express
runs. Enjoyed the video - keep up the good work Geoff!
Thank you For the 745 video
Looking forward to learning about the challenges that Dominic faces using the railways.
Geoff, that train at 12:25 was 37401 Mary Queen of Scots, which was the same one that you saw in your Lancaster to Newcastle All the Stations video 2 1/2 years earlier!
sad to see the old ones go, they were obviously well past it but i love the slam doors and abililty to feel some breeze out of the window, but many fond memories of travelling to/from university, the older grottier trains indicating I was almost home
I'd really enjoy seeing a video with you and Dominic. That sounds really interesting!
It's great to see disability taken into account during the design of a train. Recently, Amtrak tried to enforce a policy that wheelchair users would have to pay for seats to be removed to accommodate them. Amtrak ended up only charging the regular fare but haven't stated what their new policy is.
Wow that's discrimination.
Thats the U.S. for you
enjoyed your special trick to enter double seat ! and like the way you address the concerns of someone with special needs .Well done !
Really like this 007.
Got on one just before Christmas that was going from Liverpool Street to Norwich via Cambridge and I was quite impressed
EssexLad 8919
Pretty sure it was a 745 because I was surprised to see it.
Might have been on a sort of test as it was only stopping at a few larger stations
@@paulhowell5011 Couldn't have been a 745 unless they have electrified Norwich to Ely on the quiet. 755s look similar but are shorter (3 or 4 cars) and have a growly bit in the middle
Norbiton Flyer I must have been totally mistaken then.
Thanks for the correction
Not many people get emotional/excited/nostalgic (choose a word or insert your own) using a train slam-door but I sort of understand. Good video and nice train.
Really looking forward to a video or series on accessibility across different modes (DLR, tube, purple train etc), would also be great if Dominic could advise what able bodied people could do to help make accessibility better (what help, when and where or simple courtesy guidelines)
Excellent video Geoff, looking forward to the accessibility video!
Brilliant video report, thanks very much Geoff; interesting to have input from Dominic Lund-Conlon included.
On the accessibility front, anything that can make it safer trying to overcome the dreaded "gap between the platform and the train" (with suitcases/pushchairs/toddlers/older friends who walk with a stick) is greatly appreciated. On some mainline train timetables, there can be literally only 1 minute for passengers with accessibility issues to board the train, I find it stressful to say the least.
Queensland Rail has portable ramps on the platforms that can be used to remove the gap as they also suffer from a huge height different at some stations. It can be up to 30 cm difference!
@@nickhiscock8948 Good to know that there are innovative solutions available.
4:33 according to youtube captions the door partition is in the vegetable area
I agree, the seats are on these are nice, they sit higher too, so your knees don't bend, I travelled on my first Stadler 745 yesterday and had a look at the emergency window opening procedure, they need a key which is in a box, Geoff had a key box behind him in the First class clip. A close the door inside button is more crucial on the class 312 & 360 as they open straight into the carriage and any warmth escapes, I often get up and close the doors if it's a freezing day.
The yellow band above the windows help identify where first class is!
Rode one last week. Not keen on the plug between the seats also the heating vents down low in the corners encroach on where I want to put my legs. Nice trains though and I got given a free multi port retractable USB cable as a freebie.
12:27
The Class 37s are there to rescue the countless times that these new trains have packed up in the last few months.
Ever wondered why you don't see phased-out Pacers arriving at breakers yards ? They're quietly kept in storage just in case operators run out of class 37's ...
@@LeoStarrenburg
I haven't ever wondered that as I don't frequent breakers yards !
those 37's (DRS) have nothing to do with greater anglia there just there for storage and occasional use like the recent snow plough testing... only 37 611 and 37 800 (Rail Operations Group) are responsible for dealing with failed flirts with one based at norwich (37 800) and another at ipswich (37 611)
745007 - From Norwich With Love
Another good video. Thanks, Geoff. I’ll be sad when the old trains have gone from the GA network but I also can’t wait to try out the new trains.
Thanks so much for this. Us drivers miss them too. ❤
5:00
Person looks round to see who's talking to themself.
Literally right as he was talking about how no one would notice him there
@@noahr2854
Exactly !
Geoff, please remember EMR...
Travelled on the 755s today and noticed how much longer you wait for doors to open - the step has to move out and adjust itself first!
the new Stadler 777's for Merseyrail have open buttons on the doors but no close button, it's because people abused them so they've stopped adding close buttons.
Kids behaving as kids no matter what their age...
@@ronclark9724 that and the doors are now on a timer so they automatically close after 30 seconds
ive timed it, on class 745/0 from the doors fully open to the doors starting to close is 10 seconds and 6 milliseconds. of course ots open for slightly longer as the door is moving
Weird to think that class 90 hauled trains are now due to return to the West Coast Main Line, although with Mark 4 carriages.
You mean the North.
But with LNERs class 91s/mk4s
This new operation is not especially weird. The service you are talking about is not the return of class 90 haulage to the inter city TOC on the line (now Avanti West Coast) but a relatively limited (five committed return paths a day, with a possibility of a sixth path) by an open access operator, Grand Central. Like most open access operations, you would expect them to use stock that was available and could be refurbished at minimal cost. Using some of the mark 4 stock going off lease with LNER makes sense, as it is much less work to make it PRM TSI compliant than mark 3 stock. Grand Central were going to use class 91 haulage, but decided to avoid a small fleet of a type non-standard to them as well as the risks of continuing to operate the high mileage class 91 locos, so opted for class 90 haulage. Class 90s were already route cleared for the entire Euston to Blackpool route, whilst I am not sure the same was true for the class 91 - if choosing class 90 saved on the hassle of obtaining route clearance, that was a further benefit of selection class 90 traction.
I saw one of these new trains trundling through Ilford Station yesterday evening. Looked very swish!!
Incidentally, the main entrance/ticket hall at Ilford Station is now being rebuilt, so access to the station is via a new side entrance on Platform 1 or the previously existing side exit onto York Road at the north-western end of the station. Looks like it's a nightmare for those in wheelchairs or with childrens' buggies until the work is completed.
Wow, good old Norwich, nice to see the station again as it was years since I was last their :)
aww good ol chelmsford station. one of the busiest 2 platform stations in the country. (wont be when Beaulieu station is built [insert time in the future that will never arrive])
chelmsford station 1/2 of my daily commute - can't say i wont miss you
Love those trains, especially the gubbins bit
I’ll miss the 90s... but NOT THE STUPID VESTIBULE DOORS THAT NEVER OPEN WHEN YOU STAND NEAR THEM BUT DO RANDOMLY WHEN YOU DONT WANT THEM TOO!
I love a 90...
Geoff I love you more and more every time I watch a video fo yours!
If the East Coast Mainline is the main line that runs up to Newcastle, then what is the East coast mainline called, that follows the East coast to Norwich ?
(3:46 Ah, Great Eastern Mainline)
I think Liverpool Street - Norwich had Class 47s before the Class 90s.
I just went on the old trains recently to go to London from Suffolk, they looked pretty modern I didn’t think they were old.
You will still be able to use slam door HST stock on the MML until dec 2020 if you need a door fix..
The current PRM TSI derogations for the incoming ex-LNER HST stock runs on 31 December 2020 (the derogations for some of their existing HST stock runs out in July, at which point those trailers are expected to be scrapped). However, with the cancellation of the full MML electrification scheme and the consequential delay to any new stock, the government left the MML in a mess. I'm not up with the latest situation on new MML stock that was ordered from Hitachi next year, but even at contract announcement a date of 2022 was mentioned and there is always the possibility of that slipping.
I think it very likely that there will be further derogations on the MML beyond the end of 2020. It isn't economic to make the MML HSTs PRM TSI compliant and fit retention tank toilets when the stock is only needed for around another three years, after which it may well find no further use and be scrapped. Meanwhile, it is difficult to see where any cascadable 125mph diesel or bi mode stock will come from to fill in until the new Hitachi trains are available.
It is likely the MML will be the last line where there will be widespread 'classic' HST operation with full length rakes and slam doors. GWR have ended their 'classic' HST operation, LNER have stopped running HSTs entirely and Hull Trains returned the two HST sets they were hiring from GWR in 2019.
There is a small HST fleet at CrossCountry in passenger service, together with the short rakes operated by GWR and ScotRail. All of this stock will eventually be refurbished for PRM TSI compliance, losing the slam doors in the process. Delays to these refurbishments mean it is just possible that the last HST slam door operation will not be on the MML, though I doubt this will be the case.
Love these as I use on regular trips to Ipswich, do miss the slam doors though
Just the kit for an outer suburban service: harder seats and more vertical than before, double entry doors to reduce platform dwell times, tip-up seats for commuters inside the door lobbies, less pliant suspension and narrow tables to encourage Geoff to rotate 180 degrees. Nothing about noise , harshness and vibration, public address systems or lighting. I look forward to the second edition.
good riddence! so happy to ride the new train today! those old trains are NOT fun with lots of luggage
I look forward to the big 'accessibility' program.
Is the 'shared bogies' design to improve ride quality?
Roger Hudson it makes the train more crashworthy so when the train derails there is a much much less chance of the coaches jackknifing and also if it details it won’t be as severe as the coaches have shared bogies, so either the train is all upright or the train is all on its side...
@@thedumgamer2046 Other advantages are reduced weight (as there are only 18 bogies instead of 24) and more space under the floor.
@@norbitonflyer5625 ye and that
Geoff, please do the video with Dominic Lund-Conlon as quickly as possible. As I work with visually impaired patrons, I would be quite interested in seeing how rail services in Britain are coping with disabilities.
Slam doors on Scotrail trains as they will use HSTs which were GWRs
And there are still some in service in Wales & west of England - e.g Cardiff - Taunton & vv., in short form.
I hope you definitely do a video on the accessibility of the trains. It would be very interesting for sure it may also help the accessible community find out something they did not know.
oooh nice, we have got new Electric commuters in Auckland NZ, and I went to Brisbane and rode on their new ones a couple of years ago.
I really like the sound of the toilet door buttons lol
I'll miss 90s and mk 3s
One broke down today 😂😂 5 hours delays 😂😂😂
Typical greater anglia
@@HaybalemelonheadI travel from Stowmarket - Bury every day and there always late or cancelled 🤣😬
I mean, it's a new train so its not going to be perfect from the get go
Yeah it's been bad lately
vanillasplash greater Anglias always been like that
6:15 - 'there's still a buffet!'
That's all I needed to hear.
I see engineers from Stadler are in the UK today to look at the one that was stuck outside London for 3 hours yesterday
Goodbye old trains, the mk3 coaches I liked, especially first class, but the ride could be bumpy and yes the squeaky vestibule could be annoying if you were sitting right by it with the the door open.
Good info about the new seats, but what are the class 745 standard class seats like?
Love that new train
Ive been on 745 010,I love it,the toilet lock open and close buttons are right next to the door in disabled
nobody cares but ive been on that exact unit, but on stansted express
10:55 180º pirouette is interesting, but why a window seat with no window (unless you turn your head more than 90º)?
You can still slam doors and open windows on some EMR HSTs
And the night Rivera on gwr
James Phillips they all have the slam doors
TrainMidDom Transport, gaming and more no, some of the Cross-Country HST's have been fitted with sliding doors.
AndScotrails/DRS Mk2/68 commuter stock, and the unrefurbed GWR/FGW stock scotrail use, and most of West Coast Railways stock....
There's even grand ctrl trains
Looks like a nice train. I will look forward to your episode with the disability guy. Having become a person with "hidden" disabilities, namely impacted disks and arthritis, it is a subject which is of some interest. Not being able to bend easily or grip onto things can make getting in and out seats difficult. And negotiating stations can be a real adventure!
Hey ! Just wanted to comment on something you said about the doors. I have traveled all over the Netherlands, Switzerland, Germany, and Austria primarily by train and I cannot remember ever seeing a train with a "close door button". Maybe it is a brit thing, I haven't been in a British train ever, but at least in the countries I mentioned there's no such thing, or at least it is not as common. Usually the doors are manually closed by the driver from the cab for safety.
On British trains the doors are closed by the driver but can be closed beforehand by passengers. It is useful if there is a cold wind so you don't have to wait until the train departs.
On the new Crossrail trains there are no door closing buttons but the doors only stay open a few seconds then close automatically.
Wheelchair access in 1st class - this is not addressed, but avoided!
He avoided to answer it like a pro politician.
Geoff said there were no rest rooms/toilets area in the first class cars, that the rest rooms/toilets accessible areas and bicycle areas are in the standard class cars. Dominic said he recommended that the accessible area not have the folded seats of the bicycle area. So this train has both in the standard class cars, not in the first class cars. For a handicap person their MY class seats is their wheelchair. Those in wheelchairs would rather be adjacent to a accessible rest room/toilets than be in first class with a rest room or toilets.
I havent watched Geoff in so long I forget how much fun it was watching.
Normally I'm a big fan of new stock but have to say I'm gonna miss the old trains - lots of memories of traveling up to Norwich on them to visit the grandparents.
Slight update, Geoff, not sure you are aware. You rode in a Class 745/0. Greater Anglia has now brought out a Class 745/1 for Stansted Express. Also 12 car EMU, but sadly no 1st Class and no Bistro / Café Car. I agree with you on the seats. Better than Class 700 Thameslink and Class 800 LNER. Found the slope / unexpected step (from the vestibule to the seating area) a slight trip hazard. Managed to headbutt the overhead luggage rack !
Humming the Bond theme and then you point to the sign for the quiet carriage and it looks just like Bond blowing the smoke from his pistol!
Geoff, if you made another video about missing platforms, where is Platform 3 at Newark Northgate?
And on one particular train, you can spot pictures of poppies at the very bottom of the train
On the GA stock if you look at where the unit number is the black triangle denotes that the First Class section is at that end
Normally inter-city trains have single doors at the ends of the coaches, and toilets are in the vestibule areas. So I wonder what motivated the decision to have doors in the middle and fewer loos
Hello Geoff. Now that Northern Rail is to be taken back and Nationalised I would suggest that YOU are the person most qualified to get it working properly. With your knowledge and understanding of how timetables and connections work you are ideal. If they are seeking an advisor I really think you should apply for the job.
Good video, last week I noticed the Marks Tey - Sudbury line had the new 3 car bi-mode Stadler, quite an upgrade compared to what was before.
The reason they don’t have door close buttons is because there are sensors in the doors where if nobody uses them, after a short interval they automatically close to preserve heat/air conditioning.
Geoff, "I think 1st class is at this end "- as you're standing underneath a whacking great yellow stripe over the windows ????
3:17 - I don't know what typeface that is, but the kerning is awful! There's barely any space between the characters "Th", "rv" and "rw"... they might as well be ligatures!
Yes, I'm being fussy, but when you consider the use of Johnston on the London Underground being so well done, this stands out like a sore thumb!
(I like typography has much as Geoff likes the railways 😉)
I don't know, I like the font - it's very clear to read, and I don't kind ligatures.
And honestly, despite being not much space between the borders of rv, it still looks super far apart, simply because of the shape of the letters. If anything, I'd moved them a pixel closer
That's definitely a sign made by a programmer, not a graphics designer!
Agreed, that's some poor keming
I don't mind a Th ligature, but the others do look ugly. It's not hard to read, but it could look nicer.
Can't see a fault with it personally